Re: first character cutted when v,j,x
On Sun, Oct 01, 2006 at 09:33:37AM EDT, A.J.Mechelynck wrote: > cga2000 wrote: > [...] > >.. sounds fishy .. in a cell terminal how could a character be between > >characters.. except by being invisible? > > > >:-) > > > [...] > > Windows, even more than "modern" Unixes (those with X11), is GUI-oriented. > On Windows, IIUC, only old Dos hands like me, hackers, and Unix users ever > use the Dos Box. Other people use WYSIWYG interfaces like Word, and their > cursor is not a character, nor does it cover a character; it is a blinking > bar between characters. Gvim imitates that quite well, except that the gvim > cursor must always be thought of as being "on" a character, even in Insert > mode when it displays as a thin vertical bar on the left edge of the > character cell. Very interesting. Thanks cga
Re: first character cutted when v,j,x
cga2000 wrote: [...] .. sounds fishy .. in a cell terminal how could a character be between characters.. except by being invisible? :-) [...] Windows, even more than "modern" Unixes (those with X11), is GUI-oriented. On Windows, IIUC, only old Dos hands like me, hackers, and Unix users ever use the Dos Box. Other people use WYSIWYG interfaces like Word, and their cursor is not a character, nor does it cover a character; it is a blinking bar between characters. Gvim imitates that quite well, except that the gvim cursor must always be thought of as being "on" a character, even in Insert mode when it displays as a thin vertical bar on the left edge of the character cell. Best regards, Tony.
Re: first character cutted when v,j,x
On Sat, Sep 30, 2006 at 08:35:04PM EDT, A.J.Mechelynck wrote: > cga2000 wrote: [..] > What you highlighted includes the cursor Misuse of "v" was the issue and explains why Vim thus behaves. Since "v" is "per character" visual mode .. vjj does not make much sense in the first place .. using the wrong tool .. Either you do a Vjj .. or vj etc. (or vj$ not very logical but at least is consistent). Now that you have told me what to look for, I can see that cursor .. and everything falls into place. > (move the cursor to the other end > with o -- and with selection=inclusive -- to check it). The Unix default is > to delete the whole Visual area, including the cursor character. This, > IIUC, predates Vim. The Windows default is different: on Windows, in > non-Vim programs, the bar cursor is between characters, not on a character, .. sounds fishy .. in a cell terminal how could a character be between characters.. except by being invisible? :-) > and the highlighted area (when using shift-right or shift-down, i.e., > forward motions) stops left of the cursor. The purpose of the > confusing "exclusive" behaviour on Windows is to cater to the peculiar > customs of Windows users. Notice that gvim has a block cursor in > Visual mode when 'selection' is "inclusive", and a thick bar cursor > when it is "exclusive". > Note: to highlight and delete full lines, use linewise visual mode > (with V not v). Linewise-visual always includes (and highlights) the > cursor line. Which is what I did without understanding why .. just worked. Makes a lot of difference to know why, though .. Since this is general to all movement/selections it explains a number of other behaviors that have baffled me in the past. As always, thanks for your enlightening comments. cga
Re: first character cutted when v,j,x
Hi all,
The problem is solved as Dasn indicated, by put
"set selection=exclusive"
setting in vimrc. (using "V" instead of "v" also works
in my original mentioned case)
Thanks everybody!
Eddy
2006/10/1, A.J.Mechelynck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
cga2000 wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 30, 2006 at 06:03:28PM EDT, Dasn wrote:
>
> [..]
>
>>> How to make linux gvim behave like windows vim ("l" not cutted)?
>
>> Take a look at your 'selection', it should be 'exclusive' on your
>> windows platform.
>>
>> For more info:
>>
>> :h :behave
>> :h 'selection'
>
> Could you explain further?
>
> After reading the recommended help files I still don't see the logic of
> Vim deleting more characters than what I highlighted in the first place
> _and_ making this the default in *nix environments.
>
> What am I missing and what is the purpose of this confusing behavior?
>
> Thanks
>
> cga
>
What you highlighted includes the cursor (move the cursor to the other end
with o -- and with selection=inclusive -- to check it). The Unix default is to
delete the whole Visual area, including the cursor character. This, IIUC,
predates Vim. The Windows default is different: on Windows, in non-Vim
programs, the bar cursor is between characters, not on a character, and the
highlighted area (when using shift-right or shift-down, i.e., forward motions)
stops left of the cursor. The purpose of the confusing "exclusive" behaviour
on Windows is to cater to the peculiar customs of Windows users. Notice that
gvim has a block cursor in Visual mode when 'selection' is "inclusive", and a
thick bar cursor when it is "exclusive".
Note: to highlight and delete full lines, use linewise visual mode (with V not
v). Linewise-visual always includes (and highlights) the cursor line.
Best regards,
Tony.
Re: first character cutted when v,j,x
cga2000 wrote:
On Sat, Sep 30, 2006 at 06:03:28PM EDT, Dasn wrote:
[..]
How to make linux gvim behave like windows vim ("l" not cutted)?
Take a look at your 'selection', it should be 'exclusive' on your
windows platform.
For more info:
:h :behave
:h 'selection'
Could you explain further?
After reading the recommended help files I still don't see the logic of
Vim deleting more characters than what I highlighted in the first place
_and_ making this the default in *nix environments.
What am I missing and what is the purpose of this confusing behavior?
Thanks
cga
What you highlighted includes the cursor (move the cursor to the other end
with o -- and with selection=inclusive -- to check it). The Unix default is to
delete the whole Visual area, including the cursor character. This, IIUC,
predates Vim. The Windows default is different: on Windows, in non-Vim
programs, the bar cursor is between characters, not on a character, and the
highlighted area (when using shift-right or shift-down, i.e., forward motions)
stops left of the cursor. The purpose of the confusing "exclusive" behaviour
on Windows is to cater to the peculiar customs of Windows users. Notice that
gvim has a block cursor in Visual mode when 'selection' is "inclusive", and a
thick bar cursor when it is "exclusive".
Note: to highlight and delete full lines, use linewise visual mode (with V not
v). Linewise-visual always includes (and highlights) the cursor line.
Best regards,
Tony.
Re: first character cutted when v,j,x
On Sat, Sep 30, 2006 at 06:03:28PM EDT, Dasn wrote:
[..]
> > How to make linux gvim behave like windows vim ("l" not cutted)?
> Take a look at your 'selection', it should be 'exclusive' on your
> windows platform.
>
> For more info:
>
> :h :behave
> :h 'selection'
Could you explain further?
After reading the recommended help files I still don't see the logic of
Vim deleting more characters than what I highlighted in the first place
_and_ making this the default in *nix environments.
What am I missing and what is the purpose of this confusing behavior?
Thanks
cga
Re: first character cutted when v,j,x
On Sat, Sep 30, 2006 at 11:11:02PM +0800, Eddy Zhao wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I find a behaviour difference between windows gvim & linux gvim.
> For text like below
>
> line 1
> line 2
> line 3
>
> Following the sequence below
> - move focus to first line first character
> - v
> - j
> - j
> - x
>
> On windows gvim, text remained is "line 3"
> On linux gvim, text remained is "ine 3"
>
> How to make linux gvim behave like windows vim ("l" not cutted)?
>
> Thanks
> Eddy
Take a look at your 'selection', it should be 'exclusive' on your
windows platform.
For more info:
:h :behave
:h 'selection'
--
Dasn
Re: first character cutted when v,j,x
On Sat, Sep 30, 2006 at 11:11:02AM EDT, Eddy Zhao wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I find a behaviour difference between windows gvim & linux gvim.
> For text like below
>
> line 1
> line 2
> line 3
>
> Following the sequence below
> - move focus to first line first character
> - v
> - j
> - j
> - x
>
> On windows gvim, text remained is "line 3"
> On linux gvim, text remained is "ine 3"
>
> How to make linux gvim behave like windows vim ("l" not cutted)?
Doesn't have to be "g"vim .. same behavior in plain console vim ..
I have to do a Vjjx (instead of vjjx) so vim doesn't gobble up the "l"
of "line 3".
Wonder why.
Thanks
cga
