Re: All mails lost
On Wed, Jun 07, 2006 at 11:33:09AM +0200, Mathias Michaelis wrote: My emails are systematically filtered out. I can't even unsubscribe (why be on a list where own, very carefully composed contributions aren't desired?). I already have phoned to my ISP, and he's innocent. I'm seeing your messages on the list. There have been situations in the past where the list has silently discarded messages because they don't match some arbitrary unpublished criterion, but that doesn't appear to be the case here. [cc'd to poster to be certain the message gets through] -- Matthew Winn ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: All mails lost
Mathias Michaelis wrote: [...] But: You don't see no of my mails written yesterday, and also not all from this morning. The testmail written at 09:03:28 +0200 is not from me, but from my Email-Provider. I found that emails that are written on my Thunderbird Email Client AND where addressed to vim-dev@vim.org or an address to unsubscribe from the list where filtered away, BUT emails written on the web interface of my ISP reached the list. [...] There may be an explanation to that: Thunderbird writes its mail in HTML by default, and the vim-list robot silently discards all HTML mail as an anti-spam measure. I use Thunderbird myself with no problems, even when writing to the Vim lists, but whenever I compose an email, I click Options - Format - Plain Text Only. (As a side-effect, this makes the toolbar disappear from below the Subject line, since fonts, bold, italic, etc., are for HTML only.) HTH, Tony.
Re: All mails lost
On 6/7/06, Mathias Michaelis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My emails are systematically filtered out. Find the 'plaintext' option in your Thunderbird client, and use it when you send to mailing list. I thought mailinglist filter was supposed to bounce back to you the html-formatted message in case this was the reason it ignored the message. In case the filter found your message spam-like or virus-like (always a possibility, depending on your writing style :-) , I think the filter might or might not indicate back to you why it discarded the message. If you're already experimenting with testmessages to the list, you potentially *could* (I mean, police would not stop you) do this: 1) send html-formatted test, please ignore message to the list and see what happens 2) *caution, violent material ahead* take copy of some spam message you received in the past, and send it (plaintext!) to the list with subject test, please ignore and see what happens. If you never received spam messages in the past, try this 1 liner: Buy v-word here cheap. At this point, I'm starting to doubt whether this message of mine is going to make it into the list .. Hope this helps. Yakov P.S. The moral is: although you cannot know what happened in one single case, you can seek parameters and experiment to find connection between parameters and outcome.
Re: All mails lost
On 6/7/06, Mathias Michaelis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for reply -- I appreciate that also those nasty problems are discussed seriously. But anyway: I don't write HTML emails, I turn this (un-)feature off where ever it is possible. So this explanation can be excluded. Thinking about it again, I remember vaguely that I had at least 1 case when list ignored my message. What I did, I re-sent it next day and it got into the list. The truth is, email is not 100% reliable, neither is mailing list software. I do get outgoing email loss every now and then. Part of life. Just re-send it next day is my empirical rule that seems to work me. Not to talk about this case several months back when mailing list was totally dead for 3 days. Now, think about it, if mailing list can ignore all messages for 3 days, do you have a proof it can't ignore some random single message ? That's why re-sending helps. Yakov
Re: All mails lost
Yakov ... That's why re-sending helps. Thanks again! Yes, I experienced that once or twice too. But this time, waiting one night didn't help, so I thought it stays like that for ever: I am receiving mails, can't reply nor unsubscribe nor influence in any way what's going on. This is why I was a little bit in panic. Excuse me! Sincerely Mathias
