Re: Proposal: fixing Todo highlighting chaos

2015-07-22 Fir de Conversatie Charles E Campbell
Ben Fritz wrote:
 Well, sure it's easy to override one file. But you would need to do that for 
 literally every filetype you edit in Vim! That's a much taller order!

I'm not so sure about that.

* option 1: wait for approval of idea, then wait for many maintainers to
change their syntax highlighting files to accommodate the new approach,
then wait for it all to show up.  Benefits available in indefinite future.
* option 2: do it yourself as I outlined.  How many filetypes do you
use?  I suspect its 10 or less, with only a very few often used. 
Benefits available immediately.

Regards,
Chip

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Re: Proposal: fixing Todo highlighting chaos

2015-07-22 Fir de Conversatie Ingo Karkat
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On 22-Jul-2015 19:42, Charles E Campbell wrote:
 Ben Fritz wrote:
 Well, sure it's easy to override one file. But you would need to
 do that for literally every filetype you edit in Vim! That's a
 much taller order!
 
 I'm not so sure about that.
 
 * option 1: wait for approval of idea, then wait for many
 maintainers to change their syntax highlighting files to
 accommodate the new approach, then wait for it all to show up.
 Benefits available in indefinite future. * option 2: do it yourself
 as I outlined.  How many filetypes do you use?  I suspect its 10 or
 less, with only a very few often used. Benefits available
 immediately.

How about a combination of the two? Quickly approve the concept of
configurable TODOs (on this list, by Bram), mention this in :help 44.12
(Portable syntax file layout) with an appropriate example snippet, and
syntax plugin authors will pick this up. (Realistically, some sooner,
many later, a lot never).
Depending on which syntaxes you use, you'll like cover widespread
(updated) syntaxes ones with the new, single-place configuration, and
only have to implement special overrides for the (gradually shrinking)
remainder (and can encourage those authors to adopt the new config, best
with a simple patch).

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Re: Proposal: fixing Todo highlighting chaos

2015-07-22 Fir de Conversatie Ben Fritz
Well, sure it's easy to override one file. But you would need to do that for 
literally every filetype you edit in Vim! That's a much taller order!

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Re: Proposal: fixing Todo highlighting chaos

2015-07-21 Fir de Conversatie Charles Campbell
Jean-François Bignolles wrote:
 Hello,

 Using different languages, I remarked that the Todo system (highlighting
 of special words inside comments) was currently a bit chaotic: some keywords
 are highlighted for one syntax, but not for an another one.

 (I won't talk here of syntax files which doesn't support this at all, syntax
 files which have special needs, i.e. syntax match / syntax region, etc.)

 Out of curiosity, I searched all the (uniques) lists of Todo keywords;
 currently there are about 40 (!) different variants:
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OK -- assume that the user doesn't like the current list of Todo
keywords provided by c.vim; s/he wants LOOKATTHIS instead.  It isn't
that hard:

syn clear cTodo
syn keyword cTodo contained LOOKATTHIS

Place into .vim/after/syntax/c.vim

Regards,
Chip Campbell

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Re: Proposal: fixing Todo highlighting chaos

2015-07-07 Fir de Conversatie Roland Eggner
Hi Jean-François



On 2015-07-06 Monday at 14:16 -0700 Jean-François Bignolles wrote:
 Using different languages, I remarked that the Todo system (highlighting
 of special words inside comments) was currently a bit chaotic: some keywords
 are highlighted for one syntax, but not for an another one.
 
 (I won't talk here of syntax files which doesn't support this at all, syntax
 files which have special needs, i.e. syntax match / syntax region, etc.)
 
 Out of curiosity, I searched all the (uniques) lists of Todo keywords;
 currently there are about 40 (!) different variants:
 
 TODO
 TODO BUG FIX
 TODO BUG FIXME HACK REFACTOR REVIEW TEMP XXX
 TODO COMBAK DEBUG FIXME XXX
 TODO COMBAK FIXME XXX
 TODO DEBUG FIXME NOTE XXX
 TODO FIXME
 TODO FIXME DEBUG NOTE XXX
 TODO FIXME NOT XXX
 TODO FIXME NOTE
 TODO FIXME NOTE NOTES XXX
 TODO FIXME NOTE OPTIMIZE XXX
 TODO FIXME NOTE XXX
 TODO FIXME REVIEW TBD XXX[X]
 TODO FIXME TBD
 TODO FIXME TBD XXX
 TODO FIXME XXX
 TODO FIXME XXX[X]
 TODO NOTE XXX
 TODO TODO: FIXME FIXME: NOTE NOTE: TBD TBD: XXX XXX:
 TODO Todo COMBAK DEBUG FIXME XXX
 TODO Todo DEBUG
 TODO Todo todo
 TODO XXX
 TODO XXX FIXME
 TODO XXX FIXME BUG
 TODO display FIXME XXX
 TODO lout Lout LOUT
 TODO todo FIXME NOTE OPTIMIZE XXX
 TODO todo FIXME fixme TBD tbd
 Todo
 todo
 todo todo: combak combak:
 todo combak fixme xxx
 todo attention note fixme readme
 todo fixme
 todo fixme bugbug todo: bugbug: note:
 todo fixme xxx
 todo test
 
 The problem is that each syntax file contains the hard-coded preferences
 of its author.
 
 However the end user may want to have some keywords added to the Todo
 list, to have some other keywords removed, or may even want to have the Todo
 system completely switched off! And above all, the end user probably wants
 the same Todo list for whatever syntax he uses!
 
 Of course one can take a Vim syntax file, tweak it for his own needs,
 and drop it into his personal configuration directory. But it's a bit
 radical when few lines must be changed!
 
 To solve this, just for simple cases where a syntax keyword is used
 (around 240 syntax files), the proposal is:
 
 - to let the user defines its list of Todo matches, using a
   Vim-standardized global variable; for instance:
 
  let g:todo_keywords = 'Todo FIX MyTodo'
 
 - to update Vim documentation (mostly syntax.txt and user_44.txt)
   to replace hard-coded Todo, explain the usage of the variable, etc.
 
 - modify syntax files to use this variable (and do nothing when
   undefined) to build syntax commands. Taking c.vim as an example
   of adaptation:
 
   Original ..
 syn keyword   cTodo   contained TODO FIXME XXX
 
  [...]
 
  cCommentGroup allows adding matches for special things in comments
 syn cluster   cCommentGroup   contains=cTodo,cBadContinuation
 
   New version ...
 
  cCommentGroup allows adding matches for special things in comments
 syn cluster   cCommentGroup   contains=cBadContinuation
 
 if exists ('g:todo_keywords')
   exe 'syntax keyword cTodo contained ' g:todo_keywords
   syn cluster cCommentGroup   add=cTodo
 endif
 
 Note that some syntax files (sinda, tak, trasys) already allows the user
 user to define its own list of Todo keywords. However the variable name
 (thermal_todo) isn't too generic!
 
 The proposal involves small changes to a lot of files. I've started
 to test this with some syntax file (c, tcl, vhdl) and seen no problem.
 
 Other remark: sometimes the contained keyword isn't used to declare Todo
 lists; I'm not sure it's needed or not, but here's the list of syntax files:
 arch, cdrdaoconf, falcon, initex, lace, modconf, nsis, pli,
 plsql, sqlinformix, stp

Many thanks for your contribution!

Your concept looks to me
(1)  reasonable
(2)  reusable:
 •  for other popular keywords, e.g. “Note” which I would keep separate 
from 
“Todo”, because the former may be just a hint to avoid reintroduction 
of 
an already fixed bug, whereas the latter mostly regards to not yet 
fixed 
bugs or scheduled or considered improvements
 •  Maybe automatic update of timestamps could be generalized similarly [1]
(3)  valuable:  yields benefits for all three groups:
 users, maintainers, developers

Just my humble subjective opinion, to encourage your work.


[1] See my separate mail
“Proposal:  Generalization of automatic update of timestamps in lines like 
Last Change: 2015-07-07”.


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