Re: BUG: terminal vim 9.0.1506 x64 window 10

[Robert Solomon]

To be clearer:

Windows 10

My quick testing involved me starting take command and using the mouse to
size the window.   Take command shows the window size in the bottom right
corner.

After setting the window  size, I start vim using my _vimrc as I usually
do.   I did not change anything from within vim.



On Sat, Jun 17, 2023, 4:06 PM Bram Moolenaar  wrote:

>
> > Quick experimentation indicates that console mode vim fails when width >=
> > 250.  But not every time.
> >
> > I don't think height matters.
>
> OK, so what reproduction steps are required?  I tried this:
>
> - start "vim --clean"
> - :set columns=260
> - :term
> - vim --clean somefile
> - ?
>
> I could not make this show any problems.  This might be because I'm
> using Linux.  Or:
>
> - What would be the content of "somefile"?  I tried some long (wrapping)
>   lines and a few short lines.
> - What commands do you use once "somefile" is loaded?  Move the cursor,
>   join/split lines, etc.?
>
> I hope you can give an example that is simple and reproduces the problem
> consistently.
>
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Re: BUG: terminal vim 9.0.1506 x64 window 10

[Robert Solomon]

Quick experimentation indicates that console mode vim fails when width >=
250.  But not every time.

I don't think height matters.


On Sat, Jun 17, 2023, 9:59 AM Bram Moolenaar  wrote:

>
> Robert Solomon wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > I learned there that vim is known to dislike non-standard terminal
> sizes.
> >
> > So I made the terminal windows smaller and it started to work.
>
> Strange, I had not heard this before.
>
> > I'm following up w/ my last post, to say that it's been fixed by making
> the
> > terminal window size smaller.  This fixed the same issue whether it was
> > cmd.exe, windows terminal, or TakeCommand.
>
> Is there a specific maximal size?  If yes, then please tell us.
>
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Re: BUG: terminal vim 9.0.1506 x64 window 10

[Robert Solomon]

I've been away.

I was having trouble w/ the console version of vim 9 in windows terminal 
and cmd.exe as well as take command.

I also posted on the forum for JPSoft's take command.

I got a response there that was helpful.  Interesting, none of the 
responses here were helpful.

I learned there that vim is known to dislike non-standard terminal sizes.  

So I made the terminal windows smaller and it started to work.

I'm following up w/ my last post, to say that it's been fixed by making the 
terminal window size smaller.  This fixed the same issue whether it was 
cmd.exe, windows terminal, or TakeCommand.

I was having trouble in ALL of the windows terminal programs.  The same 
solution worked for all of them.

--rob solomon


On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 2:22:14 AM UTC-4 Christian Brabandt wrote:

>
> On Sa, 03 Jun 2023, Robert Solomon wrote:
>
> > My point is different. It's isn't working correctly on ANY of them.
>
> That is hardly correct. I haven't heard from many complaints about using 
> Vim terminal in neither Windows nor Linux.
>
> > see https://github.com/microsoft/terminal/issues?q=vim+in%3Atitle+
>
> I guess, if those were Vim issues, they would have been reported (or at 
> least linked) to Vims issues. So that doesn't necessarily prove 
> anything.
>
>
> Best,
> Christian
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Re: BUG: terminal vim 9.0.1506 x64 window 10

[Robert Solomon]

Of course vim can't possibly support all possible terminals

My point is different.  It's isn't working correctly on ANY of them.

see https://github.com/microsoft/terminal/issues?q=vim+in%3Atitle+


On Saturday, June 3, 2023 at 4:04:44 PM UTC-4 aro...@vex.net wrote:

>
> > Vim can't possibly add code to support each peculiarity of each of them.
> > I'm not sure what generic problem exists that is not terminal-specific.
> >
> The early days of Unix coincided with a Cabrian explosion of physical
> terminals. This led to the development of a database of terminal
> attributes and controls, (the termcap file, if memory serves me
> correctly). Reading this table was entertaining. The included comments
> reeked of late-night struggles and triumphs over frustration.
>
> > hundred-and-one symptoms of being an internet addict:
> > 109. You actually read -- and enjoy -- lists like this.
> >
> Subscribing to this list is worth it just for access to Bram's signature
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Re: BUG: terminal vim 9.0.1506 x64 window 10

[Robert Solomon]

Which program do you mean when you say the good-old windows console and the 
newer windows terminal?

Others are reporting that vim does not work correctly in the current 
windows terminal.  I just read in the JPSoft forum that the screen is 
scrambled upon exiting vim when called from windows terminal or cmd.exe.  
However, this sounds like a bug I reported ~2 yrs ago that was fixed 
relatively quickly.

--rob solomon


On Thursday, May 4, 2023 at 10:48:52 AM UTC-4 Bram Moolenaar wrote:

>
> > I use JPSoft's take command as by command interpreter. Now at version 
> 29. 
> > When I start vim in the terminal, it does not update the screen 
> correctly.
> > Contents from longer lines remain on screen when the file has shorter 
> lines.
>
> I don't know the "take command". Is this a kind of shell? Or is it
> like a console window, that you start Vim in?
>
> There is no good standard terminal on MS-Windows, all off them have
> their individual issues. We try to support at least the good-old
> Windows console and the newer Windows Terminal, since these are widely
> used. Making it work with all kind of alternatives is a struggle. And
> when you run Vim, the extra features that the alternative offers are
> usually irrelevant. Please consider using a standard terminal to run
> Vim in. Otherwise, report the problem to JPSoft. Since Vim works fine
> in a standard terminal, the problem very likely is on their side.
>
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BUG: terminal vim 9.0.1506 x64 window 10

[Robert Solomon]

I use JPSoft's take command as by command interpreter.  Now at version 29.  
When I start vim in the terminal, it does not update the screen correctly.
Contents from longer lines remain on screen when the file has shorter lines.

This makes terminal mode Vim unusable for me.  I've seen this in several 
terminal mode versions, and I just tried updating to the newest version to 
see if it's been fixed.  
It hasnt'.

The GUI version works fine.

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Re: win10: another clash w/ JPSoft's tcc

[Robert Solomon]

Is there anything I can do about this?

Is this expected behavior?



On Sunday, September 25, 2022 at 10:56:05 AM UTC-4 Robert Solomon wrote:

> No.
> The context is that sometimes when I do
>
> Git commit
>
> I get that screen.   I use vim as my git editor 
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 25, 2022, 2:24 AM Steve Martin  wrote:
>
>> Actually That looks like the kind of thing that happens when you 
>> paste some new text into VIM without switching to Paste mode first. Is that 
>> text being entered by TCC without your input?
>>
>> On Sunday, September 25, 2022 at 12:22:20 AM UTC-6 Steve Martin wrote:
>>
>>> Ya, no that's a very different problem than the one I ran into back in 
>>> the day with VIM 8. Rather than moving, the characters seemed to shift 
>>> between being highlighted or having different background colors with each 
>>> key press. And as I said, in my case, the fix was to change the terminal 
>>> software I was using on Windows.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 12:21:37 PM UTC-6 drro...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> [image: vim-error-screen-Sep-24-2022-trimmed.jpg]
>>>>
>>>> Notice that the cursor is the left edge but the text is progressively 
>>>> far from that.
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 7:42:08 PM UTC-4 rob wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> For Windows 10 it's not feasible for me to change my terminal software.
>>>>>
>>>>> And yes, the characters on screen do change as the cursor gets moved.  
>>>>> But they are not in sync.  For example, the cursor is on the left hand 
>>>>> edge, and the characters that change are on the middle of that line.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/20/22 02:01, Steve Martin wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Any way to share a screenshot? Do the characters on the screen change 
>>>>> as the cursor gets moved? I found that problem sometime back with Vim 8. 
>>>>> However, that was resolved by changing the terminal software I was using.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 6:28:32 PM UTC-6 rob wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> A few years ago I reported a clash between vim 9.0.412 in non-gui 
>>>>>> mode 
>>>>>> on Win10, with tcc by JPSoft. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The screen would become distorted in the editor, and upon exiting 
>>>>>> from 
>>>>>> tcc the screen is distorted. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The problem now looks just like what I reported back then. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It happened to an earlier release of vim 9, so I upgraded vim and I'm 
>>>>>> getting the same distortion of the characters on the screen. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It primarily happens when git calls vim within tcc.   I have git 
>>>>>> 2.37.2.windows.2 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --rob solomon 
>>>>>>
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Re: win10: another clash w/ JPSoft's tcc

[Robert Solomon]

No.
The context is that sometimes when I do

Git commit

I get that screen.   I use vim as my git editor


On Sun, Sep 25, 2022, 2:24 AM Steve Martin  wrote:

> Actually That looks like the kind of thing that happens when you paste
> some new text into VIM without switching to Paste mode first. Is that text
> being entered by TCC without your input?
>
> On Sunday, September 25, 2022 at 12:22:20 AM UTC-6 Steve Martin wrote:
>
>> Ya, no that's a very different problem than the one I ran into back in
>> the day with VIM 8. Rather than moving, the characters seemed to shift
>> between being highlighted or having different background colors with each
>> key press. And as I said, in my case, the fix was to change the terminal
>> software I was using on Windows.
>>
>> On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 12:21:37 PM UTC-6 drro...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> [image: vim-error-screen-Sep-24-2022-trimmed.jpg]
>>>
>>> Notice that the cursor is the left edge but the text is progressively
>>> far from that.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 7:42:08 PM UTC-4 rob wrote:
>>>
 For Windows 10 it's not feasible for me to change my terminal software.

 And yes, the characters on screen do change as the cursor gets moved.
 But they are not in sync.  For example, the cursor is on the left hand
 edge, and the characters that change are on the middle of that line.




 On 9/20/22 02:01, Steve Martin wrote:

 Any way to share a screenshot? Do the characters on the screen change
 as the cursor gets moved? I found that problem sometime back with Vim 8.
 However, that was resolved by changing the terminal software I was using.

 On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 6:28:32 PM UTC-6 rob wrote:

> A few years ago I reported a clash between vim 9.0.412 in non-gui mode
> on Win10, with tcc by JPSoft.
>
> The screen would become distorted in the editor, and upon exiting from
> tcc the screen is distorted.
>
> The problem now looks just like what I reported back then.
>
> It happened to an earlier release of vim 9, so I upgraded vim and I'm
> getting the same distortion of the characters on the screen.
>
> It primarily happens when git calls vim within tcc.   I have git
> 2.37.2.windows.2
>
> --rob solomon
>
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Re: Conversion Error

[Robert Solomon]

I forgot to add that this is on a Windows 10 computer running gvim 8.2 w/ 
patches including 3049.

On Sunday, July 18, 2021 at 9:18:36 AM UTC-4 Robert Solomon wrote:

> I often copy-paste from a browser into a text file to save the content I 
> come across.  When I try to save the file, I often get a conversion error.  
> I have to manually go thru each error and change the extended character to 
> an ascii one.
>
> I don't understand why this happens.  Any file I see is saved on a server, 
> so why can't vim also save that file?  
> And, what do I do to automatically save the file?
>
> Thx,
> Rob
>
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Conversion Error

[Robert Solomon]

I often copy-paste from a browser into a text file to save the content I 
come across.  When I try to save the file, I often get a conversion error.  
I have to manually go thru each error and change the extended character to 
an ascii one.

I don't understand why this happens.  Any file I see is saved on a server, 
so why can't vim also save that file?  
And, what do I do to automatically save the file?

Thx,
Rob

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32 vs 64 bit versions

[Robert Solomon]

I am unclear how to install 64 bit vim on windows 10.  The nightly builds
on the vim win32 installer have an installer gvim_8.1._x86.exe that is
the primary one.  But there is also _x64.zip, and I don't know how to use
it.

There is now a _x64.exe installer labeled experimental.

How do the .zip files get installed?

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gvim8.1 on ubuntu

[Robert Solomon]

I cloned the github source and compiled vim 8.1.  That went smoothly.

How do I get gvim 8.1 on Ubuntu?

Thx

Rob

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vim 8.1 on windows

[Robert Solomon]

win 10 amd64
I d/l and installed gvim81.exe.

Neither vim nor gvim recognize F11 or F12.  This was not true in version 8.0.

Is this a known issue?

--rob

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