Re:
you are bringing back memories of my 4th-8th grade expierence... all the wayyy back in 2001 On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 11:52 PM, Doug wrote: > I remember back before the Mac Plus. I taught at a high school where they > had several Apple IIE’s that they would lend out on weekends and they also > had a couple of Apple II C’s, a “portable” machine that I actually used to > write a novella on. It worked out to 250 one sided pages that I printed out > on a daisy wheel printer that was hooked to an Apple III at school. > Interesting times they were. > > > > Doug > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vintage-macs-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Re:
I remember my dad got his first Mac when I was four... He got a used
Performa 550, if I remember correctly. ('93, all in one, 33Mhz '030)
Wow that must've been '95 that we got it? Crazy. Before that we had an
Atari 800. The Atari still works, too.
Man we had so much fun with that Performa! It had a microphone, and we
recorded a ton of stuff on it. I think we had System 7.5.5 on it
Good times, good times. :) The screen went out eventually. :(
(I'm guessing this is the old Mac reminiscing thread?)
Cyrus Griffin
Hobbittech.com Mac Specialist - Low Cost Mac Services in AZ
On May 19, 2009, at 6:00 AM, Christian Wacker wrote:
>
> you are bringing back memories of my 4th-8th grade expierence... all
> the wayyy back in 2001
>
> On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 11:52 PM, Doug wrote:
>> I remember back before the Mac Plus. I taught at a high school
>> where they
>> had several Apple IIE’s that they would lend out on weekends and
>> they also
>> had a couple of Apple II C’s, a “portable” machine that I actually
>> used to
>> write a novella on. It worked out to 250 one sided pages that I
>> printed out
>> on a daisy wheel printer that was hooked to an Apple III at school.
>> Interesting times they were.
>>
>>
>>
>> Doug
>>
>>>
>>
>
> >
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Re: Upgrading a Beige PowerMac G3
On May 18, 9:02 pm, Clark Martin wrote: > John Teffer wrote: > > When I had a G3 desktop I was able to bump it 66 MHz faster just by > > changing the jumpers. I think overclocked the original 266 to 300 > > and then to 333, but trying 366 made it crash. > > I would bump it back one notch slower. What works today may barf on you > tomorrow due to various factors, heat being the most likely problem. It > could be just a tiny bit away from problems. If you slow it down one > notch you have some breathing room. I totally agree with Clark about this. I'll go one further and say that Beige G3 ZIFs are so cheap now, and the over-clocked increase in performance is so unnoticeable that it is not worth the risk of instability. My experience was that I had a 400 MHz G3 ZIF in my Beige which I had bumped up to 466 MHz. I only used the machine as an iTunes server to supply the Roku Soundbridges in the house and as a repository for digital photos. The thing would not stay up for more than a week at a time. It had been so long since I bumped the clock, I had forgotten I did it. I chased that instability to Egypt and back (USB card?, Beige Video bug in Jaguar?, Corrupted disk?, Corrupted OS?, bad IDE cable?). Then one day when I happened to have it open, I realized what had happened, popped in a NewerTech 500 MHz ZIF card and have not had a single crash since even when leaving the machine on for months at a time. So, your situation would likely be different, but my experience says, don't risk the headache for a minimal improvement in performance. This was especially insidious, because it would pass the normal kinds of tests a person might do after overclocking and run fine, for about a day. Some times as long as seven days. Jeff Walther --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vintage-macs-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Lost Quadra 900/950 key
Ok. Traced the wires back to the logic board and pulled the connector from the terminal block. There are 3 pins. Tried jumping all combinations, no luck. Any insight? Thanks On May 15, 6:13 pm, panax wrote: > Thanks for the advice. Certainly more elegant than clipping the wires > on the lock side and jumping them (my first inclination) > > On May 15, 10:56 am, Cyrus Griffin wrote: > > > Well there you go Panax, that sounds like your solution. :) > > > Cyrus Griffin > > > > Hobbittech.com Mac Specialist - Low Cost Mac Services in AZ > > > On May 15, 2009, at 7:54 AM, PeterH wrote: > > > > On May 15, 2009, at 7:39 AM, Cyrus Griffin wrote: > > > >> Is it possible to hotwire the Q900? Or does the key also lock the > > >> case? It seems like that would be the easiest solution... > > > > A 900/950 can be hotwired as the key does no lock the case. > > > > In the Apple Network Server (ANS), which was the example I was using, > > > the key effects power in the same way as the 900/950, but it also > > > physically locks the case. > > > > On an ANS you cannot even get into the case to hotwire it without > > > having the key. > > > > On a 900/950, as on an ANS, the wires from the lockset/switch go to a > > > terminal block with standard 0.025" square pins on 0.100" centers. > > > > That should suggest using a standard hard drive jumper (shunt) as a > > > means of hotwiring the machine. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vintage-macs-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re:
On May 19, 10:12 am, Cyrus Griffin wrote:
> I remember my dad got his first Mac when I was four... He got a used
> Performa 550, if I remember correctly. ('93, all in one, 33Mhz '030)
> Wow that must've been '95 that we got it? Crazy. Before that we had an
> Atari 800. The Atari still works, too.
> Man we had so much fun with that Performa! It had a microphone, and we
> recorded a ton of stuff on it. I think we had System 7.5.5 on it
> Good times, good times. :) The screen went out eventually. :(
>
> (I'm guessing this is the old Mac reminiscing thread?)
>
> Cyrus Griffin
>
> Hobbittech.com Mac Specialist - Low Cost Mac Services in AZ
>
> On May 19, 2009, at 6:00 AM, Christian Wacker wrote:
>
>
>
> > you are bringing back memories of my 4th-8th grade expierence... all
> > the wayyy back in 2001
>
> > On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 11:52 PM, Doug wrote:
> >> I remember back before the Mac Plus. I taught at a high school
> >> where they
> >> had several Apple IIE’s that they would lend out on weekends and
> >> they also
> >> had a couple of Apple II C’s, a “portable” machine that I actually
> >> used to
> >> write a novella on. It worked out to 250 one sided pages that I
> >> printed out
> >> on a daisy wheel printer that was hooked to an Apple III at school.
> >> Interesting times they were.
>
> >> Doug
I go back even further. When I started college my major was computer
science. Computer science majors used the mainframe and nonmajors
used Apple II. That was in the early 80s. I also remember when the
girlfriend of one of my frat brothers got the first Mac and kept it at
our house. I guess that is when I got hooked on Apple/Macs. I got my
first one in 93, it was an LCII.
Lee
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Re: Re:
When my parents were in college, they were still programming on
punchcards! That must have been crazy! My dad said he remembers way
back when, and the important guy at work had a Lisa in his office...
(Which was kinda almost a Mac, right? :)
Elliott (Formerly Cyrus)
Hobbittech.com Mac Specialist - Low Cost Mac Services in AZ
On May 19, 2009, at 2:09 PM, Stro wrote:
>
>
>
> On May 19, 10:12 am, Cyrus Griffin wrote:
>> I remember my dad got his first Mac when I was four... He got a used
>> Performa 550, if I remember correctly. ('93, all in one, 33Mhz '030)
>> Wow that must've been '95 that we got it? Crazy. Before that we had
>> an
>> Atari 800. The Atari still works, too.
>> Man we had so much fun with that Performa! It had a microphone, and
>> we
>> recorded a ton of stuff on it. I think we had System 7.5.5 on it
>> Good times, good times. :) The screen went out eventually. :(
>>
>> (I'm guessing this is the old Mac reminiscing thread?)
>>
>> Cyrus Griffin
>>
>> Hobbittech.com Mac Specialist - Low Cost Mac Services in AZ
>>
>> On May 19, 2009, at 6:00 AM, Christian Wacker wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> you are bringing back memories of my 4th-8th grade expierence... all
>>> the wayyy back in 2001
>>
>>> On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 11:52 PM, Doug wrote:
I remember back before the Mac Plus. I taught at a high school
where they
had several Apple IIE’s that they would lend out on weekends and
they also
had a couple of Apple II C’s, a “portable” machine that I actually
used to
write a novella on. It worked out to 250 one sided pages that I
printed out
on a daisy wheel printer that was hooked to an Apple III at school.
Interesting times they were.
>>
Doug
>
> I go back even further. When I started college my major was computer
> science. Computer science majors used the mainframe and nonmajors
> used Apple II. That was in the early 80s. I also remember when the
> girlfriend of one of my frat brothers got the first Mac and kept it at
> our house. I guess that is when I got hooked on Apple/Macs. I got my
> first one in 93, it was an LCII.
>
> Lee
> >
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Odd Color Problems
I own a Mac//si and i put it in storage for a while. Welll I was cleaning my room and i found it and set it up and turned it on. To my suprise I found it was in black and white mode (I only have color monitors) Well upon going to the monitor setting and putting it in color mode I found it had odd pink lines runnign down the screen and i noticed faint lines in b&w. I am wondering what happened. Thnx, Alex P.S. I think the rules state you cant upload images so here are the links to them, virus scanned and took by me: http://murarth.gotdns.com/uploads/images/0519090706a.jpg http://murarth.gotdns.com/uploads/images/0519090706b.jpg http://murarth.gotdns.com/uploads/images/0519090710a.jpg -- Copyright (c) 2008 Alex Harms. Permission is granted to copy, distribute and/or modify this document under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.3 or any later version published by the Free Software Foundation; with no Invariant Sections, no Front-Cover Texts, and no Back-Cover Texts. A copy of the license is included in the section entitled "GNU Free Documentation License". --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vintage-macs-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Odd Color Problems
Well, either it's the monitor, or the video of the IIsi. You should try the same monitor with another Mac that's know to work, and also try another monitor with the IIsi that's known to work. (That is... assuming you do have other Macs and monitors to try out) Although... thinking about it now, it does seem more like a video problem. You might open up the IIsi and clean it out, maybe clean the contacts on the outside part of the video connector. A very fine file works well, just rub it a little in the holes where the pins from the monitor connector goes. Sometimes oxidation can build up just enough so that it doesn't make a good connection. Also, be careful while doing this - do it with the computer OFF and don't jab too deeply into the connector. Also for the monitor connector, a little rubbing alcohol and a q tip works for oxidation. If that doesn't work... you probably just have bad video. This could be fixed by either 1) Replacing the logic board 2) Getting a 3rd party NuBus graphics card (And the correct riser to plug it into the PDS slot in the IIsi) Hope you get that working, the IIsi is a nice little machine. Elliott (Formerly Cyrus) Hobbittech.com Mac Specialist - Low Cost Mac Services in AZ On May 19, 2009, at 2:46 PM, Alex Harms wrote: > I own a Mac//si and i put it in storage for a while. Welll I was > cleaning my room and i found it and set it up and turned it on. To > my suprise I found it was in black and white mode (I only have color > monitors) Well upon going to the monitor setting and putting it in > color mode I found it had odd pink lines runnign down the screen and > i noticed faint lines in b&w. I am wondering what happened. > > Thnx, > Alex > > P.S. I think the rules state you cant upload images so here are the > links to them, virus scanned and took by me: > http://murarth.gotdns.com/uploads/images/0519090706a.jpg > http://murarth.gotdns.com/uploads/images/0519090706b.jpg > http://murarth.gotdns.com/uploads/images/0519090710a.jpg > > -- >Copyright (c) 2008 Alex Harms. >Permission is granted to copy, distribute and/or modify this > document >under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.3 >or any later version published by the Free Software Foundation; >with no Invariant Sections, no Front-Cover Texts, and no Back- > Cover Texts. >A copy of the license is included in the section entitled "GNU >Free Documentation License". > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vintage-macs-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Odd Color Problems
Alex, Based on the pictures, I don't see any way it could be the monitor or the video cable / connector. It appears that the problem is only present in the "windows" (although not the active window title bar) and the menubar. Is this correct? If it is, I suspect you have extra RAM installed. And since you are running (per the pictures) built-in video... Try removing and replacing the memory SIMMs. I think you might have a bad SIMM connection. You may also have problems if you run programs which exceed the built-in memory. Derek On May 19, 2009, at 4:53 PM, Cyrus Griffin wrote: > Well, either it's the monitor, or the video of the IIsi. You should > try the same monitor with another Mac that's know to work, and also > try another monitor with the IIsi that's known to work. (That is... > assuming you do have other Macs and monitors to try out) > Although... thinking about it now, it does seem more like a video > problem. You might open up the IIsi and clean it out, maybe clean > the contacts on the outside part of the video connector. A very > fine file works well, just rub it a little in the holes where the > pins from the monitor connector goes. Sometimes oxidation can build > up just enough so that it doesn't make a good connection. Also, be > careful while doing this - do it with the computer OFF and don't > jab too deeply into the connector. Also for the monitor connector, > a little rubbing alcohol and a q tip works for oxidation. > > If that doesn't work... you probably just have bad video. This > could be fixed by either > 1) Replacing the logic board > 2) Getting a 3rd party NuBus graphics card (And the correct riser > to plug it into the PDS slot in the IIsi) > > Hope you get that working, the IIsi is a nice little machine. > > Elliott (Formerly Cyrus) > > Hobbittech.com Mac Specialist - Low Cost Mac Services in AZ > > > On May 19, 2009, at 2:46 PM, Alex Harms wrote: > >> I own a Mac//si and i put it in storage for a while. Welll I was >> cleaning my room and i found it and set it up and turned it on. >> To my suprise I found it was in black and white mode (I only have >> color monitors) Well upon going to the monitor setting and >> putting it in color mode I found it had odd pink lines runnign >> down the screen and i noticed faint lines in b&w. I am wondering >> what happened. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vintage-macs-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re:
My first experience was kinda funny (but not so much when it
happened).
My best friend and neighbor got an Atari 800 game system with Pac Man
and a few other cool games.
I wanted one so bad. I told my parents and hoped for the best.
Christmas came around and I went downstairs Christmas morning to see
what Santa had brought.
To my utter disappointment it wasn't an Atari.
It was this ugly looking thing with a keyboard and paddles.
On the green monitor was this PacMan like game called Snack Attack.
It was an Apple II Plus.
I now thank my father who purchased the machine to develop on back in
the 80's.
That kick started my interest in programming and I was hooked on
computers ever since.
My next experience was again my father pretending to be a software
engineer.
He purchased this $10,000 ugly box called a Lisa.
It had no games and virtually no software of interest to me.
Again, I thank him now for being on the leading curve, though I
really, REALLY wish I still had that Lisa.
After my father lost the courage/motivation to develop anything on it,
I took it over and turned it into a Mac XL.
Finally my I managed to guide my father in purchasing a Mac 128k
system, and later a Plus.
I still remember the day my Atari ST friend introduced me to his HUGE
hard drive (forgot how large it was) and the local computer recyclers
store he purchased it from.
When I realized my Mac Plus could use it on SCSI I had to have one.
I went down there and purchased this large brick of a HD that gave me
100MB of storage.
I think I managed to put every piece of software ever written for the
Mac on it at one time in the late 1980's.
I used the Mac Plus, the old Mac XL and another Mac XL I bought to
create and run a local Mac BBS called Night Flight and later Twin
Towers in Utah (hence all the pirated software I'm sad to admit).
I left to live in Germany for a couple of years and then went to
college where I sold Mac II's and LC's and components to put me
through the computer science program at Brigham Young University.
Now I own a PC.
LOL!
On May 19, 3:35 pm, Cyrus Griffin wrote:
> When my parents were in college, they were still programming on
> punchcards! That must have been crazy! My dad said he remembers way
> back when, and the important guy at work had a Lisa in his office...
> (Which was kinda almost a Mac, right? :)
>
> Elliott (Formerly Cyrus)
>
> Hobbittech.com Mac Specialist - Low Cost Mac Services in AZ
>
> On May 19, 2009, at 2:09 PM, Stro wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 19, 10:12 am, Cyrus Griffin wrote:
> >> I remember my dad got his first Mac when I was four... He got a used
> >> Performa 550, if I remember correctly. ('93, all in one, 33Mhz '030)
> >> Wow that must've been '95 that we got it? Crazy. Before that we had
> >> an
> >> Atari 800. The Atari still works, too.
> >> Man we had so much fun with that Performa! It had a microphone, and
> >> we
> >> recorded a ton of stuff on it. I think we had System 7.5.5 on it
> >> Good times, good times. :) The screen went out eventually. :(
>
> >> (I'm guessing this is the old Mac reminiscing thread?)
>
> >> Cyrus Griffin
> >>
> >> Hobbittech.com Mac Specialist - Low Cost Mac Services in AZ
>
> >> On May 19, 2009, at 6:00 AM, Christian Wacker wrote:
>
> >>> you are bringing back memories of my 4th-8th grade expierence... all
> >>> the wayyy back in 2001
>
> >>> On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 11:52 PM, Doug wrote:
> I remember back before the Mac Plus. I taught at a high school
> where they
> had several Apple IIE’s that they would lend out on weekends and
> they also
> had a couple of Apple II C’s, a “portable” machine that I actually
> used to
> write a novella on. It worked out to 250 one sided pages that I
> printed out
> on a daisy wheel printer that was hooked to an Apple III at school.
> Interesting times they were.
>
> Doug
>
> > I go back even further. When I started college my major was computer
> > science. Computer science majors used the mainframe and nonmajors
> > used Apple II. That was in the early 80s. I also remember when the
> > girlfriend of one of my frat brothers got the first Mac and kept it at
> > our house. I guess that is when I got hooked on Apple/Macs. I got my
> > first one in 93, it was an LCII.
>
> > Lee- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
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Re: Re:
After all that you have a PC? Goodness! :)
Elliott (Formerly Cyrus)
Hobbittech.com Mac Specialist - Low Cost Mac Services in AZ
On May 19, 2009, at 3:10 PM, Sterling wrote:
>
> My first experience was kinda funny (but not so much when it
> happened).
>
> My best friend and neighbor got an Atari 800 game system with Pac Man
> and a few other cool games.
> I wanted one so bad. I told my parents and hoped for the best.
>
> Christmas came around and I went downstairs Christmas morning to see
> what Santa had brought.
>
> To my utter disappointment it wasn't an Atari.
> It was this ugly looking thing with a keyboard and paddles.
> On the green monitor was this PacMan like game called Snack Attack.
> It was an Apple II Plus.
>
> I now thank my father who purchased the machine to develop on back in
> the 80's.
> That kick started my interest in programming and I was hooked on
> computers ever since.
>
> My next experience was again my father pretending to be a software
> engineer.
> He purchased this $10,000 ugly box called a Lisa.
> It had no games and virtually no software of interest to me.
>
> Again, I thank him now for being on the leading curve, though I
> really, REALLY wish I still had that Lisa.
>
> After my father lost the courage/motivation to develop anything on it,
> I took it over and turned it into a Mac XL.
>
> Finally my I managed to guide my father in purchasing a Mac 128k
> system, and later a Plus.
> I still remember the day my Atari ST friend introduced me to his HUGE
> hard drive (forgot how large it was) and the local computer recyclers
> store he purchased it from.
> When I realized my Mac Plus could use it on SCSI I had to have one.
> I went down there and purchased this large brick of a HD that gave me
> 100MB of storage.
> I think I managed to put every piece of software ever written for the
> Mac on it at one time in the late 1980's.
>
> I used the Mac Plus, the old Mac XL and another Mac XL I bought to
> create and run a local Mac BBS called Night Flight and later Twin
> Towers in Utah (hence all the pirated software I'm sad to admit).
>
> I left to live in Germany for a couple of years and then went to
> college where I sold Mac II's and LC's and components to put me
> through the computer science program at Brigham Young University.
>
> Now I own a PC.
>
> LOL!
>
>
> On May 19, 3:35 pm, Cyrus Griffin wrote:
>> When my parents were in college, they were still programming on
>> punchcards! That must have been crazy! My dad said he remembers way
>> back when, and the important guy at work had a Lisa in his office...
>> (Which was kinda almost a Mac, right? :)
>>
>> Elliott (Formerly Cyrus)
>>
>> Hobbittech.com Mac Specialist - Low Cost Mac Services in AZ
>>
>> On May 19, 2009, at 2:09 PM, Stro wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On May 19, 10:12 am, Cyrus Griffin wrote:
I remember my dad got his first Mac when I was four... He got a
used
Performa 550, if I remember correctly. ('93, all in one, 33Mhz
'030)
Wow that must've been '95 that we got it? Crazy. Before that we had
an
Atari 800. The Atari still works, too.
Man we had so much fun with that Performa! It had a microphone, and
we
recorded a ton of stuff on it. I think we had System 7.5.5 on
it
Good times, good times. :) The screen went out eventually. :(
>>
(I'm guessing this is the old Mac reminiscing thread?)
>>
Cyrus Griffin
Hobbittech.com Mac Specialist - Low Cost Mac Services in AZ
>>
On May 19, 2009, at 6:00 AM, Christian Wacker wrote:
>>
> you are bringing back memories of my 4th-8th grade expierence...
> all
> the wayyy back in 2001
>>
> On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 11:52 PM, Doug wrote:
>> I remember back before the Mac Plus. I taught at a high school
>> where they
>> had several Apple IIE’s that they would lend out on weekends and
>> they also
>> had a couple of Apple II C’s, a “portable” machine that I
>> actually
>> used to
>> write a novella on. It worked out to 250 one sided pages that I
>> printed out
>> on a daisy wheel printer that was hooked to an Apple III at
>> school.
>> Interesting times they were.
>>
>> Doug
>>
>>> I go back even further. When I started college my major was
>>> computer
>>> science. Computer science majors used the mainframe and nonmajors
>>> used Apple II. That was in the early 80s. I also remember when
>>> the
>>> girlfriend of one of my frat brothers got the first Mac and kept
>>> it at
>>> our house. I guess that is when I got hooked on Apple/Macs. I
>>> got my
>>> first one in 93, it was an LCII.
>>
>>> Lee- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
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--- On Tue, 5/19/09, Cyrus Griffin wrote: > From: Cyrus Griffin > Subject: Re: Re: > To: vintage-macs@googlegroups.com > Date: Tuesday, May 19, 2009, 2:35 PM > > When my parents were in college, they were still > programming on > punchcards! That must have been crazy! My dad said he > remembers way > back when, and the important guy at work had a Lisa in his > office... > (Which was kinda almost a Mac, right? :) With the Mac XL software a Lisa could run anything a 128/512K Mac could. There was also a modification for the video board to make it use square pixels. Reduced the resolution some but it made Mac software look right instead of stretched vertically. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vintage-macs-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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At 15:10 -0700 5/19/09, Sterling wrote: >Now I own a PC. Actually you're just about current in the Macintosh world with an Intel box. I do hope you're running Linux on it though. I have started using ubuntu/gnome with the gtk2 and X-windows - which has nothing to do with Microsoft Windoze. It is really surprising just how familiar xlib and gtk are just from programming in the Macintosh classic environment. I have come to wonder if Apple's quickdraw toolkit came before or after the work on xlib for UNIX. But, in the spirit of the OP, I felt really good when I found an about-to-be-discarded 024 keypunch for my office. It made my life easier on what was for a week or so the world's largest computer, a Control Data 1604. FORTRAN didn't have any numbers after it. A byte was 6 bits and tapes were seven tracks including parity. -- Applescript syntax is like English spelling: Roughly, though not thoroughly, thought through. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vintage-macs-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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Somewhere on the World Weird Web is an article about computers from the early 1970's where it says something about being able to learn 100% of everything there is to know about computer science in six months. These days, six YEARS is barely scratching the surface. ;) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vintage-macs-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Lost Quadra 900/950 key
On May 19, 2009, at 11:20 AM, panax wrote: > Ok. Traced the wires back to the logic board and pulled the connector > from the terminal block. There are 3 pins. Tried jumping all > combinations, no luck. > Any insight? Separate the key unit from the switch unit. The key unit is proprietary to Apple (but it uses a Yale key section and key blank). The switch unit is made by CA. Look in Digi-Key's catalog for a reference. Buzz-out the switch unit, actuating it in all possible positions. Make a table of the various combinations. Prepare jumpers for those conditions which are required. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vintage-macs-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Odd Color Problems
I have 3 monitors that all work and i tried them with a pc (macs are to expensive i get this one for free) I have no extra ram inside but i will check the connections. thnx On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Derek Morton wrote: > Alex, > > Based on the pictures, I don't see any way it could be the monitor or the > video cable / connector. It appears that the problem is only present in the > "windows" (although not the active window title bar) and the menubar. Is > this correct? If it is, I suspect you have extra RAM installed. And since > you are running (per the pictures) built-in video... Try removing and > replacing the memory SIMMs. I think you might have a bad SIMM connection. > You may also have problems if you run programs which exceed the built-in > memory. > > Derek > > On May 19, 2009, at 4:53 PM, Cyrus Griffin wrote: > > Well, either it's the monitor, or the video of the IIsi. You should try the > same monitor with another Mac that's know to work, and also try another > monitor with the IIsi that's known to work. (That is... assuming you do have > other Macs and monitors to try out) Although... thinking about it now, it > does seem more like a video problem. You might open up the IIsi and clean it > out, maybe clean the contacts on the outside part of the video connector. A > very fine file works well, just rub it a little in the holes where the pins > from the monitor connector goes. Sometimes oxidation can build up just > enough so that it doesn't make a good connection. Also, be careful while > doing this - do it with the computer OFF and don't jab too deeply into the > connector. Also for the monitor connector, a little rubbing alcohol and a q > tip works for oxidation. > If that doesn't work... you probably just have bad video. This could be > fixed by either > 1) Replacing the logic board > 2) Getting a 3rd party NuBus graphics card (And the correct riser to plug > it into the PDS slot in the IIsi) > > Hope you get that working, the IIsi is a nice little machine. > > Elliott (Formerly Cyrus) > > Hobbittech.com Mac Specialist - Low Cost Mac Services in AZ > > > On May 19, 2009, at 2:46 PM, Alex Harms wrote: > > I own a Mac//si and i put it in storage for a while. Welll I was cleaning > my room and i found it and set it up and turned it on. To my suprise I > found it was in black and white mode (I only have color monitors) Well upon > going to the monitor setting and putting it in color mode I found it had odd > pink lines runnign down the screen and i noticed faint lines in b&w. I am > wondering what happened. > > > > > > -- Copyright (c) 2008 Alex Harms. Permission is granted to copy, distribute and/or modify this document under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.3 or any later version published by the Free Software Foundation; with no Invariant Sections, no Front-Cover Texts, and no Back-Cover Texts. A copy of the license is included in the section entitled "GNU Free Documentation License". --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vintage-macs-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Lost Quadra 900/950 key
Ok, I just checked a Quadra 950... When the switch is in the "run" (center) position, the contacts are open... Simply unplug the switch from the keyboard and you should be fine. Derek On May 19, 2009, at 6:14 PM, PeterH wrote: > > > On May 19, 2009, at 11:20 AM, panax wrote: > >> Ok. Traced the wires back to the logic board and pulled the connector >> from the terminal block. There are 3 pins. Tried jumping all >> combinations, no luck. >> Any insight? > > > Separate the key unit from the switch unit. > > The key unit is proprietary to Apple (but it uses a Yale key section > and key blank). > > The switch unit is made by CA. Look in Digi-Key's catalog for a > reference. > > Buzz-out the switch unit, actuating it in all possible positions. > > Make a table of the various combinations. > > Prepare jumpers for those conditions which are required. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vintage-macs-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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you are right in assuming that they are similar. Apple's Darwin system is based on Unix, hence the extreme similarities and the ease to port a Mac program to Linux or viceversa. I haven't gotten my hands on a real Intel mac yet, but I do know that the similitaries are so close between Darwin and Unix based linux, that I can run Mac OSX on some of my oldest PC Systems (Pentium 3 1ghz) I had an amazing start with the Mac back in grade school. My first grade school had a few Apple IIe's, 1 Apple IIGS, 3 NEW Windows 98 systems, and a nice PowerMac 5400 AIO. I remember writing BASIC in 3rd grade and coding the systems to do crazy things, even somehow linking up 2 of the IIe systems to play a multisystem game. When I moved, I got access to more than just a single Mac, and quickly learned the ins and outs of working with them. I got my first localtalk network including an apple laser printer connected together and impressed the computer lady who didn't understand a word i said. I got my first Mac a year later when the solder board on a 6100 decided to remove iteself. the parts went into my cousin's old powermac 6100 a few weeks later when I got that too. When I moved, i was gifted a Performa 638CD with TV tuner (yay) and quickly learned what files shouldn't be deleted to save disk space (took weeks to get my 6100 online through my ISP to get the repair disks). I purchased an LCII from a garage sale, only to have the HDD die a few days later. When I moved again, I found a Mac Classic and a PowerMac 5400\180 in the garage, and i got hooked on this site when i needed to get my Classic running. Now I have my 6100 and my Apple IIe hybrided together to form a multi purpose pc (combined the shattered 6100 case with a flooded Apple IIe (still works suprisingly). memories just flood back when i think of all the things i have done with just apple systems in the past few years On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 6:08 PM, Doug McNutt wrote: > > At 15:10 -0700 5/19/09, Sterling wrote: >>Now I own a PC. > > Actually you're just about current in the Macintosh world with an Intel box. > I do hope you're running Linux on it though. I have started using > ubuntu/gnome with the gtk2 and X-windows - which has nothing to do with > Microsoft Windoze. > > It is really surprising just how familiar xlib and gtk are just from > programming in the Macintosh classic environment. I have come to wonder if > Apple's quickdraw toolkit came before or after the work on xlib for UNIX. > > But, in the spirit of the OP, I felt really good when I found an > about-to-be-discarded 024 keypunch for my office. It made my life easier on > what was for a week or so the world's largest computer, a Control Data 1604. > FORTRAN didn't have any numbers after it. A byte was 6 bits and tapes were > seven tracks including parity. > -- > > Applescript syntax is like English spelling: > Roughly, though not thoroughly, thought through. > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vintage-macs-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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- Original Message > From: Cyrus Griffin > To: vintage-macs@googlegroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 5:35:15 PM > Subject: Re: Re: > > > When my parents were in college, they were still programming on > punchcards! That must have been crazy! My dad said he remembers way > back when, and the important guy at work had a Lisa in his office... > (Which was kinda almost a Mac, right? :) > > Elliott (Formerly Cyrus) Punchcards, as long as we are going down memory lane I remember punchcards from engin school cica 1968. At that time it was difficult to get mainframe computer time at the university "computer lab" to do your particular project or assignment. And this was at one or more respected Big Ten universities noted for academics as well as popular sports. Fast forward about 15 years and I bought my first personal computer, an Apple III in the early 80's. Kind of a dog but I ended up with three of them for my business before buying my first Mac's in 1989. The Mac II and the Mac SE blew away any thing the good 'ol Apple III's could do and I never looked back after that. --glen --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vintage-macs-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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Fortran fun included coffee, a stone and cup game for deciding who paid for the coffee and, of course, Alfred E. Neuman printout in numbers When I was in 10th grade, a student with computer time let me go with him and he introduced me to the key punch, the card loader, the banks of cabinets with keypunch cards in case the IBM 1130 needed to be reprogrammed, the console, large memory plate of tape, and the printer It was housed in the Coe College (Cedar Rapids, Iowa) basement where the temperature and humidity were kept constant and somone was scheduled to it 24 hours a day 7 days a week to at least baby sit it if not researching a problem requiring it's computation abilities. Zums was a good statistical program that provided most of the information provided now on a TI 83 hand held statistics calculator. The IBM 1130 was a mindblower, considering I had just completed a unit on the use of the sliderule in math class - considered a must for college prep then - still have it somewhere - the slide rule, not the IBM 1130. Somewhere I may still have some keypunched cards from that experience. On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 4:08 PM, Doug McNutt wrote: > > At 15:10 -0700 5/19/09, Sterling wrote: > >Now I own a PC. > > Actually you're just about current in the Macintosh world with an Intel > box. I do hope you're running Linux on it though. I have started using > ubuntu/gnome with the gtk2 and X-windows - which has nothing to do with > Microsoft Windoze. > > It is really surprising just how familiar xlib and gtk are just from > programming in the Macintosh classic environment. I have come to wonder if > Apple's quickdraw toolkit came before or after the work on xlib for UNIX. > > But, in the spirit of the OP, I felt really good when I found an > about-to-be-discarded 024 keypunch for my office. It made my life easier on > what was for a week or so the world's largest computer, a Control Data 1604. > FORTRAN didn't have any numbers after it. A byte was 6 bits and tapes were > seven tracks including parity. > -- > > Applescript syntax is like English spelling: > Roughly, though not thoroughly, thought through. > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vintage-macs-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Odd Color Problems
is this a pc monitor with a Mac>pc adapter? On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 6:16 PM, Alex Harms wrote: > I have 3 monitors that all work and i tried them with a pc (macs are to > expensive i get this one for free) I have no extra ram inside but i will > check the connections. thnx > > On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Derek Morton wrote: >> >> Alex, >> Based on the pictures, I don't see any way it could be the monitor or the >> video cable / connector. It appears that the problem is only present in the >> "windows" (although not the active window title bar) and the menubar. Is >> this correct? If it is, I suspect you have extra RAM installed. And since >> you are running (per the pictures) built-in video... Try removing and >> replacing the memory SIMMs. I think you might have a bad SIMM connection. >> You may also have problems if you run programs which exceed the built-in >> memory. >> Derek >> On May 19, 2009, at 4:53 PM, Cyrus Griffin wrote: >> >> Well, either it's the monitor, or the video of the IIsi. You should try >> the same monitor with another Mac that's know to work, and also try another >> monitor with the IIsi that's known to work. (That is... assuming you do have >> other Macs and monitors to try out) Although... thinking about it now, it >> does seem more like a video problem. You might open up the IIsi and clean it >> out, maybe clean the contacts on the outside part of the video connector. A >> very fine file works well, just rub it a little in the holes where the pins >> from the monitor connector goes. Sometimes oxidation can build up just >> enough so that it doesn't make a good connection. Also, be careful while >> doing this - do it with the computer OFF and don't jab too deeply into the >> connector. Also for the monitor connector, a little rubbing alcohol and a q >> tip works for oxidation. >> If that doesn't work... you probably just have bad video. This could be >> fixed by either >> 1) Replacing the logic board >> 2) Getting a 3rd party NuBus graphics card (And the correct riser to plug >> it into the PDS slot in the IIsi) >> Hope you get that working, the IIsi is a nice little machine. >> >> Elliott (Formerly Cyrus) >> >> Hobbittech.com Mac Specialist - Low Cost Mac Services in AZ >> >> On May 19, 2009, at 2:46 PM, Alex Harms wrote: >> >> I own a Mac//si and i put it in storage for a while. Welll I was cleaning >> my room and i found it and set it up and turned it on. To my suprise I >> found it was in black and white mode (I only have color monitors) Well upon >> going to the monitor setting and putting it in color mode I found it had odd >> pink lines runnign down the screen and i noticed faint lines in b&w. I am >> wondering what happened. >> >> >> > > > > -- > Copyright (c) 2008 Alex Harms. > Permission is granted to copy, distribute and/or modify this document > under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.3 > or any later version published by the Free Software Foundation; > with no Invariant Sections, no Front-Cover Texts, and no Back-Cover > Texts. > A copy of the license is included in the section entitled "GNU > Free Documentation License". > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vintage-macs-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re:
Hm, this is a very interesting thread of reminiscing.
It brings back memories of my first computer experiences...
I got to the states back in 1970 iirc I was like three and a half.
My dad back then was at CSU and working towards his PhD Hydro.Eng.
Unfortunately back then I was too young and we moved away, but a few year
later after being on the east coast in NJ we returned for him to finish his
PhD.
I dont recall the exact year but what I do remember was that on many an
occasion I carried boxes of punch cards back an forth and was sternly
reminded to be VERY careful as not to drop them as that would cause a very
big problem... yeah I'd have no way to sort them back in order.
After he finished his PhD we moved to MA and eventually settled down in
Newton. Didn't think much of it back then but it surely has some connections
for me now. But back in the day I was given a new Apple II plus (1979)
upgraded to 48K with a 5.25" Floppy Drive #1. We opted to use the Television
to cut costs. The primary reason for my dad to get it was to encourage me to
program. We wrote back then programs in Applesoft BASIC and unfortunately I
was not focus enough to learn programming well enough than the basics. I had
a friend back then who I lost touch with after moving to a different part
of town, but I bumped into him at the main library and as we talked I
discovered he had an Apple II. Eventually he formed Newton Apple Kids (a
user group) and on to of that he programmed. I recall debugging programs for
the adults or some firm that wrote a 123 like program. Hopefully this is a
correct recollection and not blurry memories... in any case he eventually
developed for Mac OS as a Mac Developer and currently live in CA.
I was always a software user of applications and especially games. Dad
eventually realized this and sold my first computer (Apple II plus) :-(
I was eventually allowed to purchase other computers Atari 400, PC XT Clone,
Commodore 64. Also I collected and purchase various other computers such as
the Atari 1200XL, 600XL, 800XL, Apple II plus (replacement), IIe, IIc, Mac
Plus, SE, SE/30
Yeah this is a long story of memories...
Any case I eventually returned to Apple, but still use PCs
One of my past encounters I started using Palm, but my desire was Newtons. I
eventually afforded to buy a Newton MP100 as they were liquidated. What's
neat was that I lived in a town named Newton and used my first computer from
Apple and ended falling in love with the Newton PDA by Apple which I
collect. I've got all of them and also a few very special Clear Cased Units
that you rarely see... eMate 300 (Clear Case) but my love is the MP2100
which was way before it's time and I hope in the near future that Apple will
bring back a successor to that platform... soon...
I've written to much and hopefully it was interesting to more than just
myself...
Former IT Consultant
--
God bless,
Sonny Hung
the Hung Family
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Stro wrote:
>
>
>
> On May 19, 10:12 am, Cyrus Griffin wrote:
> > I remember my dad got his first Mac when I was four... He got a used
> > Performa 550, if I remember correctly. ('93, all in one, 33Mhz '030)
> > Wow that must've been '95 that we got it? Crazy. Before that we had an
> > Atari 800. The Atari still works, too.
> > Man we had so much fun with that Performa! It had a microphone, and we
> > recorded a ton of stuff on it. I think we had System 7.5.5 on it
> > Good times, good times. :) The screen went out eventually. :(
> >
> > (I'm guessing this is the old Mac reminiscing thread?)
> >
> > Cyrus Griffin
> >
> > Hobbittech.com Mac Specialist - Low Cost Mac Services in AZ
> >
> > On May 19, 2009, at 6:00 AM, Christian Wacker wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > you are bringing back memories of my 4th-8th grade expierence... all
> > > the wayyy back in 2001
> >
> > > On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 11:52 PM, Doug wrote:
> > >> I remember back before the Mac Plus. I taught at a high school
> > >> where they
> > >> had several Apple IIE’s that they would lend out on weekends and
> > >> they also
> > >> had a couple of Apple II C’s, a “portable” machine that I actually
> > >> used to
> > >> write a novella on. It worked out to 250 one sided pages that I
> > >> printed out
> > >> on a daisy wheel printer that was hooked to an Apple III at school.
> > >> Interesting times they were.
> >
> > >> Doug
>
> I go back even further. When I started college my major was computer
> science. Computer science majors used the mainframe and nonmajors
> used Apple II. That was in the early 80s. I also remember when the
> girlfriend of one of my frat brothers got the first Mac and kept it at
> our house. I guess that is when I got hooked on Apple/Macs. I got my
> first one in 93, it was an LCII.
>
> Lee
> >
>
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Hello, --- On Tue, 5/19/09, glen wrote: > Fast forward about 15 years and I bought my first personal > computer, an Apple III in the early 80's. Kind of a dog > but I ended up with three of them for my business before > buying my first Mac's in 1989. When you say the Apple III was "kind of a dog," is this based on your own experience with them? Or is this based on their infamous reputation (i.e. your own experience with them was a fairly positive one)? Did you employ the Apple III's all the way up until 1989? If so, that's a pretty impressive amount of life you wrung out of those machines. Of course, with their rather hefty price tag, it's only fair to admit that the incentive for a buyer to wring all they could out of them was a pretty strong one. :) If the numbers I read are correct, Apple sold even fewer Apple IIIs than they did Lisas (65,000 vs. 80,000) if such a thing can be believed. I find myself wondering if there's a landfill somewhere with a metric diaperload of Apple IIIs in it à la the Lisa as the number of Apple IIIs produced was allegedly ~120,000. Best, James Fraser --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vintage-macs-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Re:
I thought that they buried all the unsold Lisas and Apple IIIs in a Californian desert... On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 9:02 PM, James Fraser wrote: > > > Hello, > > --- On Tue, 5/19/09, glen wrote: > >> Fast forward about 15 years and I bought my first personal >> computer, an Apple III in the early 80's. Kind of a dog >> but I ended up with three of them for my business before >> buying my first Mac's in 1989. > > When you say the Apple III was "kind of a dog," is this based on your own > experience with them? Or is this based on their infamous reputation (i.e. > your own experience with them was a fairly positive one)? > > Did you employ the Apple III's all the way up until 1989? If so, that's a > pretty impressive amount of life you wrung out of those machines. Of course, > with their rather hefty price tag, it's only fair to admit that the incentive > for a buyer to wring all they could out of them was a pretty strong one. :) > > If the numbers I read are correct, Apple sold even fewer Apple IIIs than they > did Lisas (65,000 vs. 80,000) if such a thing can be believed. I find myself > wondering if there's a landfill somewhere with a metric diaperload of Apple > IIIs in it à la the Lisa as the number of Apple IIIs produced was allegedly > ~120,000. > > > Best, > > James Fraser > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vintage-macs-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re:
Actually that company Sun Remarketing was in Utah about an hour away from me: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Remarketing On May 19, 9:00 pm, Christian Wacker wrote: > I thought that they buried all the unsold Lisas and Apple IIIs in a > Californian desert... > > On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 9:02 PM, James Fraser > > > > wrote: > > > Hello, > > > --- On Tue, 5/19/09, glen wrote: > > >> Fast forward about 15 years and I bought my first personal > >> computer, an Apple III in the early 80's. Kind of a dog > >> but I ended up with three of them for my business before > >> buying my first Mac's in 1989. > > > When you say the Apple III was "kind of a dog," is this based on your own > > experience with them? Or is this based on their infamous reputation (i.e. > > your own experience with them was a fairly positive one)? > > > Did you employ the Apple III's all the way up until 1989? If so, that's a > > pretty impressive amount of life you wrung out of those machines. Of > > course, with their rather hefty price tag, it's only fair to admit that the > > incentive for a buyer to wring all they could out of them was a pretty > > strong one. :) > > > If the numbers I read are correct, Apple sold even fewer Apple IIIs than > > they did Lisas (65,000 vs. 80,000) if such a thing can be believed. I find > > myself wondering if there's a landfill somewhere with a metric diaperload > > of Apple IIIs in it à la the Lisa as the number of Apple IIIs produced was > > allegedly ~120,000. > > > Best, > > > James Fraser- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vintage-macs-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re:
A couple of other things that your comments are causing to bubble up
in my memory:
I remember going to a building in Provo, UT where Richard Ohran, Dr.
Wirth and a few others from Xerox Park in Europe had this company
called Modula Corp.
I was shown around the room and they had a couple of these funny
looking machines that had displays in portrait mode (tall) and this
input device you moved around with your hand.
I didn't really realise what I had seen until I grew up and went to
college and studied languages like Modula and learned about how Apple
received their inspiration from the Alto machines (I believe it was
called).
Of course the Lisa was much much more than the Alto ever was, but it
was interesting to have seen the future back then in person.
On May 19, 4:10 pm, Sterling wrote:
> My first experience was kinda funny (but not so much when it
> happened).
>
> My best friend and neighbor got an Atari 800 game system with Pac Man
> and a few other cool games.
> I wanted one so bad. I told my parents and hoped for the best.
>
> Christmas came around and I went downstairs Christmas morning to see
> what Santa had brought.
>
> To my utter disappointment it wasn't an Atari.
> It was this ugly looking thing with a keyboard and paddles.
> On the green monitor was this PacMan like game called Snack Attack.
> It was an Apple II Plus.
>
> I now thank my father who purchased the machine to develop on back in
> the 80's.
> That kick started my interest in programming and I was hooked on
> computers ever since.
>
> My next experience was again my father pretending to be a software
> engineer.
> He purchased this $10,000 ugly box called a Lisa.
> It had no games and virtually no software of interest to me.
>
> Again, I thank him now for being on the leading curve, though I
> really, REALLY wish I still had that Lisa.
>
> After my father lost the courage/motivation to develop anything on it,
> I took it over and turned it into a Mac XL.
>
> Finally my I managed to guide my father in purchasing a Mac 128k
> system, and later a Plus.
> I still remember the day my Atari ST friend introduced me to his HUGE
> hard drive (forgot how large it was) and the local computer recyclers
> store he purchased it from.
> When I realized my Mac Plus could use it on SCSI I had to have one.
> I went down there and purchased this large brick of a HD that gave me
> 100MB of storage.
> I think I managed to put every piece of software ever written for the
> Mac on it at one time in the late 1980's.
>
> I used the Mac Plus, the old Mac XL and another Mac XL I bought to
> create and run a local Mac BBS called Night Flight and later Twin
> Towers in Utah (hence all the pirated software I'm sad to admit).
>
> I left to live in Germany for a couple of years and then went to
> college where I sold Mac II's and LC's and components to put me
> through the computer science program at Brigham Young University.
>
> Now I own a PC.
>
> LOL!
>
> On May 19, 3:35 pm, Cyrus Griffin wrote:
>
>
>
> > When my parents were in college, they were still programming on
> > punchcards! That must have been crazy! My dad said he remembers way
> > back when, and the important guy at work had a Lisa in his office...
> > (Which was kinda almost a Mac, right? :)
>
> > Elliott (Formerly Cyrus)
> >
> > Hobbittech.com Mac Specialist - Low Cost Mac Services in AZ
>
> > On May 19, 2009, at 2:09 PM, Stro wrote:
>
> > > On May 19, 10:12 am, Cyrus Griffin wrote:
> > >> I remember my dad got his first Mac when I was four... He got a used
> > >> Performa 550, if I remember correctly. ('93, all in one, 33Mhz '030)
> > >> Wow that must've been '95 that we got it? Crazy. Before that we had
> > >> an
> > >> Atari 800. The Atari still works, too.
> > >> Man we had so much fun with that Performa! It had a microphone, and
> > >> we
> > >> recorded a ton of stuff on it. I think we had System 7.5.5 on it
> > >> Good times, good times. :) The screen went out eventually. :(
>
> > >> (I'm guessing this is the old Mac reminiscing thread?)
>
> > >> Cyrus Griffin
> > >>
> > >> Hobbittech.com Mac Specialist - Low Cost Mac Services in AZ
>
> > >> On May 19, 2009, at 6:00 AM, Christian Wacker wrote:
>
> > >>> you are bringing back memories of my 4th-8th grade expierence... all
> > >>> the wayyy back in 2001
>
> > >>> On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 11:52 PM, Doug wrote:
> > I remember back before the Mac Plus. I taught at a high school
> > where they
> > had several Apple IIE’s that they would lend out on weekends and
> > they also
> > had a couple of Apple II C’s, a “portable” machine that I actually
> > used to
> > write a novella on. It worked out to 250 one sided pages that I
> > printed out
> > on a daisy wheel printer that was hooked to an Apple III at school.
> > Interesting times they were.
>
> > Doug
>
> > > I go back even further. When I started college my major was comput
Re: Re:
Yeah I read about that before. wow... what a waste! Those Lisa's are worth something now. I wonder if you could dig some of those up what they'd be like? Probably not functioning I would guess. That seems strange to me... Like they just dumped a bunch of them in a hole?? Elliott (Formerly Cyrus) Hobbittech.com Mac Specialist - Low Cost Mac Services in AZ On May 19, 2009, at 8:36 PM, Sterling wrote: > > Actually that company Sun Remarketing was in Utah about an hour away > from me: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Remarketing > > On May 19, 9:00 pm, Christian Wacker wrote: >> I thought that they buried all the unsold Lisas and Apple IIIs in a >> Californian desert... >> >> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 9:02 PM, James Fraser >> >> >> >> wrote: >> >>> Hello, >> >>> --- On Tue, 5/19/09, glen wrote: >> Fast forward about 15 years and I bought my first personal computer, an Apple III in the early 80's. Kind of a dog but I ended up with three of them for my business before buying my first Mac's in 1989. >> >>> When you say the Apple III was "kind of a dog," is this based on >>> your own experience with them? Or is this based on their infamous >>> reputation (i.e. your own experience with them was a fairly >>> positive one)? >> >>> Did you employ the Apple III's all the way up until 1989? If so, >>> that's a pretty impressive amount of life you wrung out of those >>> machines. Of course, with their rather hefty price tag, it's only >>> fair to admit that the incentive for a buyer to wring all they >>> could out of them was a pretty strong one. :) >> >>> If the numbers I read are correct, Apple sold even fewer Apple >>> IIIs than they did Lisas (65,000 vs. 80,000) if such a thing can >>> be believed. I find myself wondering if there's a landfill >>> somewhere with a metric diaperload of Apple IIIs in it à la the >>> Lisa as the number of Apple IIIs produced was allegedly ~120,000. >> >>> Best, >> >>> James Fraser- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vintage-macs-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Re:
Wow... that's amazing. That would have been so cool. Sounds like Job's
story, too (Seeing the GUI at Xerox) - And the birth of the Lisa and
eventually the Mac. If only Xerox knew what they'd stumbled onto! But
then... copy machines don't need mice... :)
Elliott (Formerly Cyrus)
Hobbittech.com Mac Specialist - Low Cost Mac Services in AZ
On May 19, 2009, at 8:57 PM, Sterling wrote:
>
> A couple of other things that your comments are causing to bubble up
> in my memory:
>
> I remember going to a building in Provo, UT where Richard Ohran, Dr.
> Wirth and a few others from Xerox Park in Europe had this company
> called Modula Corp.
> I was shown around the room and they had a couple of these funny
> looking machines that had displays in portrait mode (tall) and this
> input device you moved around with your hand.
>
> I didn't really realise what I had seen until I grew up and went to
> college and studied languages like Modula and learned about how Apple
> received their inspiration from the Alto machines (I believe it was
> called).
>
> Of course the Lisa was much much more than the Alto ever was, but it
> was interesting to have seen the future back then in person.
>
> On May 19, 4:10 pm, Sterling wrote:
>> My first experience was kinda funny (but not so much when it
>> happened).
>>
>> My best friend and neighbor got an Atari 800 game system with Pac Man
>> and a few other cool games.
>> I wanted one so bad. I told my parents and hoped for the best.
>>
>> Christmas came around and I went downstairs Christmas morning to see
>> what Santa had brought.
>>
>> To my utter disappointment it wasn't an Atari.
>> It was this ugly looking thing with a keyboard and paddles.
>> On the green monitor was this PacMan like game called Snack Attack.
>> It was an Apple II Plus.
>>
>> I now thank my father who purchased the machine to develop on back in
>> the 80's.
>> That kick started my interest in programming and I was hooked on
>> computers ever since.
>>
>> My next experience was again my father pretending to be a software
>> engineer.
>> He purchased this $10,000 ugly box called a Lisa.
>> It had no games and virtually no software of interest to me.
>>
>> Again, I thank him now for being on the leading curve, though I
>> really, REALLY wish I still had that Lisa.
>>
>> After my father lost the courage/motivation to develop anything on
>> it,
>> I took it over and turned it into a Mac XL.
>>
>> Finally my I managed to guide my father in purchasing a Mac 128k
>> system, and later a Plus.
>> I still remember the day my Atari ST friend introduced me to his HUGE
>> hard drive (forgot how large it was) and the local computer recyclers
>> store he purchased it from.
>> When I realized my Mac Plus could use it on SCSI I had to have one.
>> I went down there and purchased this large brick of a HD that gave me
>> 100MB of storage.
>> I think I managed to put every piece of software ever written for the
>> Mac on it at one time in the late 1980's.
>>
>> I used the Mac Plus, the old Mac XL and another Mac XL I bought to
>> create and run a local Mac BBS called Night Flight and later Twin
>> Towers in Utah (hence all the pirated software I'm sad to admit).
>>
>> I left to live in Germany for a couple of years and then went to
>> college where I sold Mac II's and LC's and components to put me
>> through the computer science program at Brigham Young University.
>>
>> Now I own a PC.
>>
>> LOL!
>>
>> On May 19, 3:35 pm, Cyrus Griffin wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> When my parents were in college, they were still programming on
>>> punchcards! That must have been crazy! My dad said he remembers way
>>> back when, and the important guy at work had a Lisa in his office...
>>> (Which was kinda almost a Mac, right? :)
>>
>>> Elliott (Formerly Cyrus)
>>>
>>> Hobbittech.com Mac Specialist - Low Cost Mac Services in AZ
>>
>>> On May 19, 2009, at 2:09 PM, Stro wrote:
>>
On May 19, 10:12 am, Cyrus Griffin wrote:
> I remember my dad got his first Mac when I was four... He got a
> used
> Performa 550, if I remember correctly. ('93, all in one, 33Mhz
> '030)
> Wow that must've been '95 that we got it? Crazy. Before that we
> had
> an
> Atari 800. The Atari still works, too.
> Man we had so much fun with that Performa! It had a microphone,
> and
> we
> recorded a ton of stuff on it. I think we had System 7.5.5 on
> it
> Good times, good times. :) The screen went out eventually. :(
>>
> (I'm guessing this is the old Mac reminiscing thread?)
>>
> Cyrus Griffin
>
> Hobbittech.com Mac Specialist - Low Cost Mac Services in AZ
>>
> On May 19, 2009, at 6:00 AM, Christian Wacker wrote:
>>
>> you are bringing back memories of my 4th-8th grade
>> expierence... all
>> the wayyy back in 2001
>>
>> On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 11:52 PM, Doug
>> wrote:
>>> I remember back
Re: Odd Color Problems
My am I being observant :P Since, as Derek pointed out, the lines are only in the windows and menu bar, it does seem like a video driver problem. If you haven't changed anything since it was last running fine, it sounds like your graphics driver bit the dust. (I think it uses some of the RAM on the motherboard as Video ram?) Fortunately, the IIsi is incredibly easy to take apart, if you do have to change the motherboard. Also, as Christian pointed out, are you using a DB-15 (Mac video) adapter to VGA? Some of those have little switches on them that might be set incorrectly... This might be causing the problem. Elliott (Formerly Cyrus) Hobbittech.com Mac Specialist - Low Cost Mac Services in AZ On May 19, 2009, at 5:06 PM, Christian Wacker wrote: > > is this a pc monitor with a Mac>pc adapter? > > On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 6:16 PM, Alex Harms > wrote: >> I have 3 monitors that all work and i tried them with a pc (macs >> are to >> expensive i get this one for free) I have no extra ram inside but >> i will >> check the connections. thnx >> >> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Derek Morton >> wrote: >>> >>> Alex, >>> Based on the pictures, I don't see any way it could be the monitor >>> or the >>> video cable / connector. It appears that the problem is only >>> present in the >>> "windows" (although not the active window title bar) and the >>> menubar. Is >>> this correct? If it is, I suspect you have extra RAM installed. >>> And since >>> you are running (per the pictures) built-in video... Try removing >>> and >>> replacing the memory SIMMs. I think you might have a bad SIMM >>> connection. >>> You may also have problems if you run programs which exceed the >>> built-in >>> memory. >>> Derek >>> On May 19, 2009, at 4:53 PM, Cyrus Griffin wrote: >>> >>> Well, either it's the monitor, or the video of the IIsi. You >>> should try >>> the same monitor with another Mac that's know to work, and also >>> try another >>> monitor with the IIsi that's known to work. (That is... assuming >>> you do have >>> other Macs and monitors to try out) Although... thinking about it >>> now, it >>> does seem more like a video problem. You might open up the IIsi >>> and clean it >>> out, maybe clean the contacts on the outside part of the video >>> connector. A >>> very fine file works well, just rub it a little in the holes where >>> the pins >>> from the monitor connector goes. Sometimes oxidation can build up >>> just >>> enough so that it doesn't make a good connection. Also, be careful >>> while >>> doing this - do it with the computer OFF and don't jab too deeply >>> into the >>> connector. Also for the monitor connector, a little rubbing >>> alcohol and a q >>> tip works for oxidation. >>> If that doesn't work... you probably just have bad video. This >>> could be >>> fixed by either >>> 1) Replacing the logic board >>> 2) Getting a 3rd party NuBus graphics card (And the correct riser >>> to plug >>> it into the PDS slot in the IIsi) >>> Hope you get that working, the IIsi is a nice little machine. >>> >>> Elliott (Formerly Cyrus) >>> >>> Hobbittech.com Mac Specialist - Low Cost Mac Services in AZ >>> >>> On May 19, 2009, at 2:46 PM, Alex Harms wrote: >>> >>> I own a Mac//si and i put it in storage for a while. Welll I was >>> cleaning >>> my room and i found it and set it up and turned it on. To my >>> suprise I >>> found it was in black and white mode (I only have color monitors) >>> Well upon >>> going to the monitor setting and putting it in color mode I found >>> it had odd >>> pink lines runnign down the screen and i noticed faint lines in >>> b&w. I am >>> wondering what happened. >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >>Copyright (c) 2008 Alex Harms. >>Permission is granted to copy, distribute and/or modify this >> document >>under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.3 >>or any later version published by the Free Software Foundation; >>with no Invariant Sections, no Front-Cover Texts, and no Back- >> Cover >> Texts. >>A copy of the license is included in the section entitled "GNU >>Free Documentation License". >> >> >>> >> > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vintage-macs-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
