Re: IIci battery issues
Sadly I had the same thing happen. Maxell battery exploded and I did not notice it before it corroded the heck out of my machine while in storage. Want to join a class-action lawsuit against Maxell with me for making defective batteries? LOL. I feel Maxell owes me a Mac IIci...! Jon Gilbert, Portland, OR On Jan 21, 2013, at 6:39 AM, Sarah Crabbleapple wrote: > It's a Maxell. The remnants of it are really rather impressive; the positive > terminal appears to have attempted to turn into a popgun. > > Sarah > > On 21 January 2013 01:10, James Fraser > wrote: > Hello, > > --- On Sun, 1/20/13, Sarah wrote: > > > It had shown some signs of life before I found the blown battery; > > While I think of it: do you have the blown battery handy? > > I ask because I am wondering what brand the battery is (or, rather, was). > > > Best, > > James Fraser > > -- > - > You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our > netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com > To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs > > Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ > > > > -- > The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist > on coming along and trying to put things in it. > - Terry Pratchett > > ~*~*~*~LET'S GO CANES!~*~*~*~ > > -- > - > You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our > netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com > To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs > > Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ -- -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Vintage Macs" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Clicking 40mb Fujitsu SCSI HDD, ideas?
I have a sick 40mb Fujitsu SCSI HDD from a Mac IIci. The drive spins up, makes some initial healthy "reading" sounds, then starts to click loudly with about a 1-second interval between clicks. The type of clicking sound is almost more like a knocking sound, and if you place a hand on the drive itself, you can actually feel the knocking. It's as if the read heads are ramming up against their internal stopper, which makes me think the controller board is bad, perhaps. I tried the "freezer trick" and right at first when it was very cold, it seemed to help, so I shut the machine down and connected the external optical drive -- but then the problem came back after just a moment. Sigh. Does anyone have any suggestions for this issue? I have been able to fix several drives that had "stiction" by using the "spinning with your hand" method, but this drive spins up just fine. However if it's connected, the Mac never even gets to the "question mark" screen, and stays at the initial gray screen. Thanks for any tips, Jon Gilbert, Portland, OR -- -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Vintage Macs" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: Clicking 40mb Fujitsu SCSI HDD, ideas?
Heads maybe sticking, sad to say it may just be done. Hardware Mac on here makes scsi I to newer scsi hard drives if you wan something that will last a bit. > From: vintagem...@jongilbert.com > Subject: Clicking 40mb Fujitsu SCSI HDD, ideas? > Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 07:13:51 -0700 > To: vintage-macs@googlegroups.com > > I have a sick 40mb Fujitsu SCSI HDD from a Mac IIci. The drive spins up, > makes some initial healthy "reading" sounds, then starts to click loudly with > about a 1-second interval between clicks. The type of clicking sound is > almost more like a knocking sound, and if you place a hand on the drive > itself, you can actually feel the knocking. It's as if the read heads are > ramming up against their internal stopper, which makes me think the > controller board is bad, perhaps. I tried the "freezer trick" and right at > first when it was very cold, it seemed to help, so I shut the machine down > and connected the external optical drive -- but then the problem came back > after just a moment. Sigh. > > Does anyone have any suggestions for this issue? I have been able to fix > several drives that had "stiction" by using the "spinning with your hand" > method, but this drive spins up just fine. However if it's connected, the Mac > never even gets to the "question mark" screen, and stays at the initial gray > screen. > > Thanks for any tips, > > Jon Gilbert, > Portland, OR > > -- > -- > - > You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our > netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com > To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs > > Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Vintage Macs" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Vintage Macs" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Clicking 40mb Fujitsu SCSI HDD, ideas?
This is needle-in-haystack, but at times another identical drive (Fujitsu 40MB) can be used to recover data if it's ultra precious to you. Either the backing card can be placed on your hard drive, or in most extreme circumstances, your platters in the other's hard drive for one last read. Jeff From: Jason Johnson To: vintage-macs@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 12:24 PM Subject: RE: Clicking 40mb Fujitsu SCSI HDD, ideas? Heads maybe sticking, sad to say it may just be done. Hardware Mac on here makes scsi I to newer scsi hard drives if you wan something that will last a bit. > From: vintagem...@jongilbert.com > Subject: Clicking 40mb Fujitsu SCSI HDD, ideas? > Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 07:13:51 -0700 > To: vintage-macs@googlegroups.com > > I have a sick 40mb Fujitsu SCSI HDD from a Mac IIci. The drive spins up, > makes some initial healthy "reading" sounds, then starts to click loudly with > about a 1-second interval between clicks. The type of clicking sound is > almost more like a knocking sound, and if you place a hand on the drive > itself, you can actually feel the knocking. It's as if the read heads are > ramming up against their internal stopper, which makes me think the > controller board is bad, perhaps. I tried the "freezer trick" and right at > first when it was very cold, it seemed to help, so I shut the machine down > and connected the external optical drive -- but then the problem came back > after just a moment. Sigh. > > Does anyone have any suggestions for this issue? I have been able to fix > several drives that had "stiction" by using the "spinning with your hand" > method, but this drive spins up just fine. However if it's connected, the Mac > never even gets to the "question mark" screen, and stays at the initial gray > screen. > > Thanks for any tips, > > Jon Gilbert, > Portland, OR > > -- > -- > - > You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our > netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com > To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs > > Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Vintage Macs" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Vintage Macs" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Vintage Macs" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: Clicking 40mb Fujitsu SCSI HDD, ideas?
In my experience with hard drives, clicking as you describe pretty much means it is toast...I don't think I've ever gotten one with such symptoms to come back to life. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news...I know that's not what you wanted to hear! Wesley -Original Message- From: vintage-macs@googlegroups.com [mailto:vintage-macs@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jon Gilbert Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 10:14 AM To: Vintage Macs List Subject: Clicking 40mb Fujitsu SCSI HDD, ideas? I have a sick 40mb Fujitsu SCSI HDD from a Mac IIci. The drive spins up, makes some initial healthy "reading" sounds, then starts to click loudly with about a 1-second interval between clicks. The type of clicking sound is almost more like a knocking sound, and if you place a hand on the drive itself, you can actually feel the knocking. It's as if the read heads are ramming up against their internal stopper, which makes me think the controller board is bad, perhaps. I tried the "freezer trick" and right at first when it was very cold, it seemed to help, so I shut the machine down and connected the external optical drive -- but then the problem came back after just a moment. Sigh. Does anyone have any suggestions for this issue? I have been able to fix several drives that had "stiction" by using the "spinning with your hand" method, but this drive spins up just fine. However if it's connected, the Mac never even gets to the "question mark" screen, and stays at the initial gray screen. Thanks for any tips, Jon Gilbert, Portland, OR -- -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Vintage Macs" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Vintage Macs" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: IIci battery issues
I've started working towards going through my computer collection and making sure all batteries are removed...and it's been a depressing experience so far. From what I've read, in the Mac world, Maxell batteries are bad news. In the PC world, seems like everything I have with a non-button cell type battery is leaking...at least the 4 or 5 or so I've gotten to so far. And all but one have been dead...and the one that is still alive won't recognize a keyboard that is plugged in. :-( The worst was the old IBM AT 5170 motherboard I had in a drawer...stupid me left the 4xAA CMOS battery holder laying on top of the board, face down, with batteries still installed. Ugh...and to add insult to injury, another of my semi-treasured motherboards was laying on top and leaked some battery crap down onto it...so somewhere between those two...it's dead...plus the one that had been laying on top of it is dead too. Heavy sigh... Many of the older 386/486 era PC's have a soldered-on NiCd or NiMH battery, and they all seem to be leaking deadly goop...which means you have to take the board out to get the snips to the area to remove said battery. I need to get to the Mac's as well...got a IIci and IIcx (or something like that)...hoping they aren't damaged. Then there are the LC's...and I know some of those need new caps... I didn't know computer collecting could be time consuming as well! So...the moral of the story...go through everything and TAKE OUT THE BATTERIES!!! Wesley -Original Message- Sadly I had the same thing happen. Maxell battery exploded and I did not notice it before it corroded the heck out of my machine while in storage. Want to join a class-action lawsuit against Maxell with me for making defective batteries? LOL. I feel Maxell owes me a Mac IIci...! Jon Gilbert, Portland, OR -- -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Vintage Macs" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: IIci battery issues
I just picked up a Mac Classic from an ad on Craigslist last week. It rattled when I carried it to my car from the seller's and I had the dread. At home, I swiftly took it open and...the battery, a half-AA, had leaked and rotted the "+" connector on the motherboard and rusted part of the metal frame. It cleaned up ok, but now I have to ponder a motherboard repair or swap. Jeff From: Wesley Furr To: vintage-macs@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 3:51 PM Subject: RE: IIci battery issues I've started working towards going through my computer collection and making sure all batteries are removed...and it's been a depressing experience so far. From what I've read, in the Mac world, Maxell batteries are bad news. In the PC world, seems like everything I have with a non-button cell type battery is leaking...at least the 4 or 5 or so I've gotten to so far. And all but one have been dead...and the one that is still alive won't recognize a keyboard that is plugged in. :-( The worst was the old IBM AT 5170 motherboard I had in a drawer...stupid me left the 4xAA CMOS battery holder laying on top of the board, face down, with batteries still installed. Ugh...and to add insult to injury, another of my semi-treasured motherboards was laying on top and leaked some battery crap down onto it...so somewhere between those two...it's dead...plus the one that had been laying on top of it is dead too. Heavy sigh... Many of the older 386/486 era PC's have a soldered-on NiCd or NiMH battery, and they all seem to be leaking deadly goop...which means you have to take the board out to get the snips to the area to remove said battery. I need to get to the Mac's as well...got a IIci and IIcx (or something like that)...hoping they aren't damaged. Then there are the LC's...and I know some of those need new caps... I didn't know computer collecting could be time consuming as well! So...the moral of the story...go through everything and TAKE OUT THE BATTERIES!!! Wesley -Original Message- Sadly I had the same thing happen. Maxell battery exploded and I did not notice it before it corroded the heck out of my machine while in storage. Want to join a class-action lawsuit against Maxell with me for making defective batteries? LOL. I feel Maxell owes me a Mac IIci...! Jon Gilbert, Portland, OR -- -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Vintage Macs" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Vintage Macs" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Clicking 40mb Fujitsu SCSI HDD, ideas?
There are a few odd tricks that might get it running. Easiest to try us simply to turn the drive (or the whole computer) upside down and try booting. Another even stranger is to freeze the drive as in put in the freezer for a few hours. Try to connect it up before it warms up. I have an external quantum that i have to flip each time before use. It's been that way for over 10 years, but still works. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 12, 2013, at 2:24 PM, Jason Johnson wrote: > Heads maybe sticking, sad to say it may just be done. Hardware Mac on here > makes scsi I to newer scsi hard drives if you wan something that will last a > bit. > > > From: vintagem...@jongilbert.com > > Subject: Clicking 40mb Fujitsu SCSI HDD, ideas? > > Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 07:13:51 -0700 > > To: vintage-macs@googlegroups.com > > > > I have a sick 40mb Fujitsu SCSI HDD from a Mac IIci. The drive spins up, > > makes some initial healthy "reading" sounds, then starts to click loudly > > with about a 1-second interval between clicks. The type of clicking sound > > is almost more like a knocking sound, and if you place a hand on the drive > > itself, you can actually feel the knocking. It's as if the read heads are > > ramming up against their internal stopper, which makes me think the > > controller board is bad, perhaps. I tried the "freezer trick" and right at > > first when it was very cold, it seemed to help, so I shut the machine down > > and connected the external optical drive -- but then the problem came back > > after just a moment. Sigh. > > > > Does anyone have any suggestions for this issue? I have been able to fix > > several drives that had "stiction" by using the "spinning with your hand" > > method, but this drive spins up just fine. However if it's connected, the > > Mac never even gets to the "question mark" screen, and stays at the initial > > gray screen. > > > > Thanks for any tips, > > > > Jon Gilbert, > > Portland, OR > > > > -- > > -- > > - > > You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs > > group. > > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our > > netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > > To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com > > To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs > > > > Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ > > --- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "Vintage Macs" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > > email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- > -- > - > You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our > netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com > To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs > > Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Vintage Macs" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Vintage Macs" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: IIci battery issues
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 4:16 PM, J.S. Garrison wrote: > > At home, I swiftly took it open and...the battery, a half-AA, had leaked > and rotted the "+" connector on the motherboard and rusted > part of the metal frame. It cleaned up ok, but now I have to ponder a > motherboard repair or swap. > A battery holder is a pretty easy soldering job. -- [Greg Bennett] -Independent Carpenter, Electrician & Lighting Designer -Purveyor of Classic Apple & Macintosh Gear http://www.hsiprodsvcs.com/ http://www.macshack.us/ -- -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Vintage Macs" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
