Re: Install 7.5.3 without CD drive
The 6500 comes from the 5500... You talk about a optional ethernet card so it must the card on comm slot. Those cards usually don't have handshake so they can't link on modern switch/routers. You will need a old ethernet 10Mbit hub to connect the 6500 and link it up to the router. Joao On Sunday, March 16, 2014 1:10:38 AM UTC, Louis Ciotti wrote: Well the 6500 has the optional ethernet card, but I have not gotten it to work, but your comment about finding a router to work with half duplex has me wondering if that is the issue. I have an new Asus GB ethernet router and the have only tried the 6500 connected to a GB switch that ggoes to that Asus router. Good news is I also found an apple AAUI to 10BaseT adapter today, so that should work with the 660AV. So I sould be able to use the one of the SCSI to ethernet on the SE/30 assuming I can locate the drivers for them correct? If so not my only missing link is the router. The Mac Mini is a G4 so Tiger would be no problem to put on it. On Saturday, March 15, 2014 8:37:53 PM UTC-4, Jordan Utolia wrote: Yes I have noticed that earlier. I am sure the site owner is updating his hardware or something. Check back in a few days. For a pure ethernet network, you'll need NICs for the SE/30 and the 6500 if it doesn't have a PCI or optional Ethernet card. The 660AV can just use that AAUI port for an adapter, freeing up expansion slot(s) for other things. Then you'll need to procure a router that won't have hiccups with 10BASE-T half-duplex -- I merely used a DLink WBR1610, which is an old router. (I tried a NetGear WVR614v9 and it didn't work.) Add the Mac mini and you'll be done -- but I don't know if it can run Tiger or not, which is the last to work with all three computers at once. There's other ways of doing all this, the Guide when it returns, explains everything. (More to come too.) -- -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Vintage Macs group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Retr0brite???
Hi all, I was wondering if anyone had experiences using retr0brite on any cases here, I want to clean up my IIgs, IIci, an SE, and various mice and kb's but I don't want to kill the cases in the process. Just wondering if anyone has tried and what their experiences were. Peter J Hall -- -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Vintage Macs group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: Retr0brite???
I have used it on some white (turned brown) pinball parts. All I used was high concentration peroxide gel from hair salon + oxiclean, nothing else, mixed it real well, waited for it to foam up, and just kept brushing it on the plastic in the sunlight, no gar gum, no heating up, worked well, it was more of a watch it, keep applying process, but much simpler imho. From: vintage-macs@googlegroups.com [mailto:vintage-macs@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Peter Hall Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 9:27 AM To: vintage-macs@googlegroups.com Subject: Retr0brite??? Hi all, I was wondering if anyone had experiences using retr0brite on any cases here, I want to clean up my IIgs, IIci, an SE, and various mice and kb's but I don't want to kill the cases in the process. Just wondering if anyone has tried and what their experiences were. Peter J Hall -- -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Vintage Macs group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Vintage Macs group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Install 7.5.3 without CD drive
Well I actually got the 6500 ethernet card working last night. I plugged it directly into the mac mini and gave it a static IP address and bam it worked. Then plugged it into the switch it worked. Even with DCHP. But not I hosed the CD attempting to put the computer back into the original state. So Now unless I can figure out how to get an OS installed on it I have to wait until the restore CD I purchased comes it. :-/ I have 7.6.1 floppies, but they all state they will not work with this machine. I am assuming it is because the system enabler is incorrect. I tried to replace it, but there is not enough room on the floppy disk even after removing everything else but the system folder. On Saturday, March 15, 2014 9:34:05 PM UTC-4, Jordan Utolia wrote: We'll have to do a little more investigation on the 6500 -- assuming it has a problem, which it probably doesn't, because as Matt Burch said, if it's not on fire, it's a software problem. You can connect computers directly with a cross-over cable in an emergency, skipping troublesome routers and switches. Some newer computers, I think the Mac mini G4 is among them, have automatic cross-over or straight switching but I wouldn't rely on that. You can absolutely use the SCSI adapter with the SE/30. Better bet is to get a PDS NIC for it, but those are about 40-50 bucks and don't always show up often. (SE/30s are genuinely desirable and NICs for them are usually complementary.) You'll *need* the driver for the SCSI thing, you can find either one on macdrivermuseum or other places. While you're at it, you might want to think about how you can make your Emergency Network Access Disks -- I have a section on the Guide that talks about those. Sit tight for a little bit on the Guide -- it sounds like it would be quite useful for you. The site host has posted here recently so I'm sure he's still kicking ;) -- -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Vintage Macs group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Retr0brite???
I was wondering if anyone had experiences using retr0brite on any cases here, I want to clean up my IIgs, IIci, an SE, and various mice and kb's but I don't want to kill the cases in the process. Just wondering if anyone has tried and what their experiences were. I use a dunk method. I fill a large, clear plastic container with a gallon of 20 volume clear developer (peroxide sold for hair salons), a quarter cup or so of oxy clean powder (dissolving it in hot water first works best), and several (8? 10?) gallons of warm water. Completely submerge your large pieces in the solution and place it outside on a bright sunny day. Turn the pieces every 15 minutes or so and the parts should look pretty good in a couple of hours. It doesn't have to be an exact science to get results. - Dylan -- -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Vintage Macs group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Classic Mac Network
Could you use the 6500 as a bridge? IIRC it has a 10Base-T built in. If it doesn't, could you maybe source an Ethernet card for it? I face the same issue for my own network but that's a future plan. I have to build the workshop in my attic first and then install my networking infrastructure including a wired link to the garage and a wireless AP for garden surfing. I have been successful in building both LocalTalk and Ethernet networks but I have never had an occasion to combine them. Good luck with your research! Keith On Saturday, 15 March 2014, 21:47, Louis Ciotti lciot...@gmail.com wrote: I suppose I could use linux but I would like to keep it an all mac network with the mini being the bridge to the rest of the network. But I suppose a linux server would also work just as well... Here is my vision Have my SE/30, 660av and 6500 on an appletalk network. I even have an old laserwriter that I am going to see if it still works and put that on the network. Then I need a bridge to the outside world where I can migrate stuff to and from the appletalk network. On Saturday, March 15, 2014 4:07:01 PM UTC-4, Jordan Utolia wrote: Most Mac mini's won't work very well as a central file server for anything older than OS 9.1 (unless they ran Tiger) because the AFP versions are incompatible. You could however, use Linux(or FTP) All of this has been explained in the newbie-friendly Guide I posted the link to earlier. -- -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Vintage Macs group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Vintage Macs group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Retr0brite???
Dylan McDermond wrote: I was wondering if anyone had experiences using retr0brite on any cases here, I want to clean up my IIgs, IIci, an SE, and various mice and kb's but I don't want to kill the cases in the process. Just wondering if anyone has tried and what their experiences were. I use a "dunk" method. I fill a large, clear plastic container with a gallon of 20 volume clear developer (peroxide sold for hair salons), a quarter cup or so of oxy clean powder (dissolving it in hot water first works best), and several (8? 10?) gallons of warm water. Completely submerge your large pieces in the solution and place it outside on a bright sunny day. Turn the pieces every 15 minutes or so and the parts should look pretty good in a couple of hours. It doesn't have to be an exact science to get results. - Dylan D, how long is that solution good for? Can it be reused? - John S. -- -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Vintage Macs group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Retr0brite???
On Mar 16, 2014, at 10:02 AM, j...@cimmeri.com wrote: Dylan McDermond wrote: I fill a large, clear plastic container with a gallon of 20 volume clear developer (peroxide sold for hair salons), a quarter cup or so of oxy clean powder (dissolving it in hot water first works best), and several (8? 10?) gallons of warm water. D, how long is that solution good for? Can it be reused? I don't even bother reusing it because it get fairly weakened after 8 hours or so. But in 8 hours, I can usually treat two machines back-to-back without issue. - Dylan -- -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Vintage Macs group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Retr0brite???
Dylan McDermond wrote: I fill a large, clear plastic container with a gallon of 20 volume clear developer (peroxide sold for hair salons), a quarter cup or so of oxy clean powder (dissolving it in hot water first works best), and several (8? 10?) gallons of warm water. D, how long is that solution good for? Can it be reused? I don't even bother reusing it because it get fairly weakened after 8 hours or so. But in 8 hours, I can usually treat two machines back-to-back without issue. - Dylan Interesting. So what is your approximate materials cost for doing two machines like that? - John S. -- -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Vintage Macs group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Retr0brite???
Understand there's yellowing, then there's browning. Fantastic removes browning very well. Did on my Lisa. In fact if you scrub long enough the yellowing will come off (with a rough shop cloth say). A lot of it anyway. Doesn't hurt to try. -- -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Vintage Macs group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Retr0brite???
On Mar 16, 2014, at 10:38 AM, j...@cimmeri.com wrote: So what is your approximate materials cost for doing two machines like that? The normal price on a gallon of developer is around $14 but it always seems to be on sale for under $10. Dollar stores usually have cans of Oxy powder. -- -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Vintage Macs group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Retr0brite???
Has anyone tried putting something in the container to fill the cavity with dummy material to save space? It is good to know a gallon of developer can be diluted that much though. On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Dylan McDermond dy...@mcdermond.netwrote: On Mar 16, 2014, at 10:38 AM, j...@cimmeri.com wrote: So what is your approximate materials cost for doing two machines like that? The normal price on a gallon of developer is around $14 but it always seems to be on sale for under $10. Dollar stores usually have cans of Oxy powder. -- -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Vintage Macs group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Vintage Macs group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Retr0brite???
The dunk method is what I'd recommend if you have a LOT of stuff to cover. You can also get UV lamps and toss the whole shebang in your garage overnight. Here's an even easier method: 1.) Get a spray bottle, 1L size. 2.) Get some Oxy-product. I went to a laundromat and paid 75c for a small packet of Oxy-something. (Didn't need or want a large quantity of it.) Get two bottles of regular H2O2 hydrogen peroxide (two liters total). 3.) Pour a liter of H202 into a sauce pan and get it to about 40 or 50 degrees C. (This helps dissolve the solute better. 40 deg C is 104 F, 50 deg C is about 120 F.) 4.) For each liter of hydrogen peroxide, add 5ml (about teaspoon) of Oxy-product. Shake vigorously for about five minutes. 5.) Place the plastic product to be blasted outside. Full sun required. Use your sprayer to spray the unit about once every 30 to 45 seconds. Essentially, keep it wet all the time. Even better, grab a book and a chair, prop yourself up in the shade within range of the sprayer, and just go to town. If you want to go big-scale, then just get one of those pesticide dispensers that your pour in water and pesticide/herbicide/whatever. Pour in the proper mixture of H202, shake it all well (so there is no particulate matter on the bottom), pressurize the container, and then all you have to do is pull the trigger. I did a SE/30 back, faceplate, M1106 keyboard and mouse with this method and it came out great. -- -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Vintage Macs group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Install 7.5.3 without CD drive
I was not aware of this. Good to know. On Sunday, March 16, 2014 12:37:33 AM UTC-6, Joao Encarnado wrote: The 6500 comes from the 5500... You talk about a optional ethernet card so it must the card on comm slot. Those cards usually don't have handshake so they can't link on modern switch/routers. You will need a old ethernet 10Mbit hub to connect the 6500 and link it up to the router. Joao.) BTW. System 7.6 doesn't have enablers. (http://support.apple.com/kb/ta28948) Enablers were eliminated with 7.5.3. I would offer you Mac OS 8 on floppies but seeing that there are 27 install disks, I'd think you'd like to reconsider that CD drive. :) -- -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Vintage Macs group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Retr0brite???
Jordan Utolia wrote: Here's an even easier method: ... I did a SE/30 back, faceplate, M1106 keyboard and mouse with this method and it came out great. How much time were you sitting there spraying your objects under those conditions? - John S. -- -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Vintage Macs group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Retr0brite???
What about just carefully draping the item with old cloth and soaking that. Resoak as needed? -- On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 12:34 PM PDT Jordan Utolia wrote: The dunk method is what I'd recommend if you have a LOT of stuff to cover. You can also get UV lamps and toss the whole shebang in your garage overnight. Here's an even easier method: 1.) Get a spray bottle, 1L size. 2.) Get some Oxy-product. I went to a laundromat and paid 75c for a small packet of Oxy-something. (Didn't need or want a large quantity of it.) Get two bottles of regular H2O2 hydrogen peroxide (two liters total). 3.) Pour a liter of H202 into a sauce pan and get it to about 40 or 50 degrees C. (This helps dissolve the solute better. 40 deg C is 104 F, 50 deg C is about 120 F.) 4.) For each liter of hydrogen peroxide, add 5ml (about teaspoon) of Oxy-product. Shake vigorously for about five minutes. 5.) Place the plastic product to be blasted outside. Full sun required. Use your sprayer to spray the unit about once every 30 to 45 seconds. Essentially, keep it wet all the time. Even better, grab a book and a chair, prop yourself up in the shade within range of the sprayer, and just go to town. If you want to go big-scale, then just get one of those pesticide dispensers that your pour in water and pesticide/herbicide/whatever. Pour in the proper mixture of H202, shake it all well (so there is no particulate matter on the bottom), pressurize the container, and then all you have to do is pull the trigger. I did a SE/30 back, faceplate, M1106 keyboard and mouse with this method and it came out great. -- -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Vintage Macs group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Vintage Macs group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Retr0brite???
I've heard that spray bottles and soaked cloths can both be tough to get even coatings on the unit. Also, it's easy to miss corners and parts of bezels. Best results I've heard of are nearly always related to dunking methods, even if only 1 surface at a time is dunked and allowed to cure. Time consuming but pretty effective. On Sunday, March 16, 2014 4:28:21 PM UTC-4, Chris Tofu wrote: What about just carefully draping the item with old cloth and soaking that. Resoak as needed? -- On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 12:34 PM PDT Jordan Utolia wrote: The dunk method is what I'd recommend if you have a LOT of stuff to cover. You can also get UV lamps and toss the whole shebang in your garage overnight. Here's an even easier method: 1.) Get a spray bottle, 1L size. 2.) Get some Oxy-product. I went to a laundromat and paid 75c for a small packet of Oxy-something. (Didn't need or want a large quantity of it.) Get two bottles of regular H2O2 hydrogen peroxide (two liters total). 3.) Pour a liter of H202 into a sauce pan and get it to about 40 or 50 degrees C. (This helps dissolve the solute better. 40 deg C is 104 F, 50 deg C is about 120 F.) 4.) For each liter of hydrogen peroxide, add 5ml (about teaspoon) of Oxy-product. Shake vigorously for about five minutes. 5.) Place the plastic product to be blasted outside. Full sun required. Use your sprayer to spray the unit about once every 30 to 45 seconds. Essentially, keep it wet all the time. Even better, grab a book and a chair, prop yourself up in the shade within range of the sprayer, and just go to town. If you want to go big-scale, then just get one of those pesticide dispensers that your pour in water and pesticide/herbicide/whatever. Pour in the proper mixture of H202, shake it all well (so there is no particulate matter on the bottom), pressurize the container, and then all you have to do is pull the trigger. I did a SE/30 back, faceplate, M1106 keyboard and mouse with this method and it came out great. -- -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintag...@googlegroups.comjavascript: To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs...@googlegroups.comjavascript: For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Vintage Macs group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vintage-macs...@googlegroups.com javascript:. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Vintage Macs group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Retr0brite???
About two hours per side. It really was quite easy. Bring sun glasses -- you'll need them. Now that I think about it, that pressurized pesticide idea is the way I'd do it next. On Sunday, March 16, 2014 1:51:56 PM UTC-6, jWs wrote: How much time were you sitting there spraying your objects under those conditions? - John S. The cloth method I would be concerned for two reasons: 1) the solution must be kept constantly fresh for it to work, and 2) the cloth may inhibit a certain portion of UV rays from going to work. The problem with the gel method is uniformity and that it loves to dry out on the unit. You'll get streaks if it's not done right. Mixing the conoction is a little tricky to get a uniform blend. Then it has to constantly refreshed anyways, which is why the sprayer method really shines. The dunk is really only worth it if you going to do more than three computers. If you have five Portables, two 840AVs, a slew of Compacts and a entire hoard of rodents and keyboards, it's the way to go. You just have to add more Oxy-product from time to time to refresh it. If you want to get really cool, you get (or make) your own aquarium style unit. Then you make holes in the bottom for the mixture to drain into a lower reservoir. Add a submersible pump and some irrigation sprayers, UV lamps and you'd be set. Like this: http://68kmla.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2t=18409#p173241 -- -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Vintage Macs group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: Retr0brite???
I haven't tried it...but in doing some reading, it sounds like they results may not be permanent. I read of at least one person who had a restored system stored in a box (no exposure to UV light) and it had re-yellowed at least somewhat. Wesley _ From: vintage-macs@googlegroups.com [mailto:vintage-macs@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Peter Hall Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 9:27 AM To: vintage-macs@googlegroups.com Subject: Retr0brite??? Hi all, I was wondering if anyone had experiences using retr0brite on any cases here, I want to clean up my IIgs, IIci, an SE, and various mice and kb's but I don't want to kill the cases in the process. Just wondering if anyone has tried and what their experiences were. Peter J Hall -- -- -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Vintage Macs group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
