Re: Soldering Station - was: Are my 2 Powerbook 100 only for the trashcan?

2013-07-22 Thread Hardware Mack
don't worry about those reviews on amazon (i'v seen them) they have updated 
this thing since those reviews.
Its a good iron trust me, just when you are going to do some lead free with it, 
turn it all the way up, and make sure the tip is tight and the tip is clean,
and use flux.  lead free is a pain to work with anyways.

if you want to spend more $75+, Weller makes a fantastic iron.

Also, guys on the forum were saying wonderful things about this iron:
Hakko FX-888
http://www.amazon.com/Hakko-FX888-FX-888-Soldering-Station/dp/B004M3U0VU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1358169813&sr=8-1&keywords=hakko+fx-888
https://www.sparkfun.com/products/11704



On Jul 22, 2013, at 11:47 PM, Wesley Furr wrote:

> Are there any others you would recommend?  Found it on Amazon with some
> mixed reviews.  Wouldn't mind spending more than $20...but not sure I want
> to spend $80 that Radio Shack wants for their "digital soldering
> station"...though it does look nice!
> 
> I've got at least one old Mac that I know I need to replace caps in (haven't
> done one yet = this one is an LC)...also want to try some PCB assembly on a
> board with a fairly small pitch between pins and components...
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Wesley
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> 
> i think this soldering iron is great for people starting out.  
> i like the ones that are adjustable.
> 
> http://www.microcenter.com/product/391342/Low-Cost_Soldering_Station
> 
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Re: Soldering Station - was: Are my 2 Powerbook 100 only for the trashcan?

2013-07-22 Thread John Carmonne

On Jul 22, 2013, at 8:47 PM, Wesley Furr wrote:

> Are there any others you would recommend?  Found it on Amazon with some
> mixed reviews.  Wouldn't mind spending more than $20...but not sure I want
> to spend $80 that Radio Shack wants for their "digital soldering
> station"...though it does look nice!
> 
> I've got at least one old Mac that I know I need to replace caps in (haven't
> done one yet = this one is an LC)...also want to try some PCB assembly on a
> board with a fairly small pitch between pins and components...
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Wesley
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> 
> i think this soldering iron is great for people starting out.  
> i like the ones that are adjustable.
> 
> http://www.microcenter.com/product/391342/Low-Cost_Soldering_Station




I have the RS digital soldering station and for me it's worth every penny, I 
have one like the example from Amazon
the problem for me is the tip selection and weak temp control.



John Carmonne
Yorba Linda CA
92886 USA
MacPro 2.66 Quad Nehalem






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Re: Soldering Station - was: Are my 2 Powerbook 100 only for the trashcan?

2013-07-23 Thread theonetruestickman
I have the Hakko FX-888 and agree with every other reviewer - it's worth
it, though the analog version has been discontinued in favor of the FX-888D
(the sparkfun link), which is slightly retarded. Read up on how the buttons
work before you buy that one. Stock tip size is a little big for SMD, but
tips are available.

Dave Jones from the EEVBlog has a bunch of good info on soldering tools
(among other things) if you don't mind his style a long-winded format:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5Sb21qbpEQ&list=TL6K3qUuaTDKY

He is more concerned with a serious hobbyist than a casual user, FWIW, but
generally knows what he's talking about and having good tools does make
casual use that much easier.

If you're going to spend $70 on an iron anyway and plan to do a bit of
soldering the triple-8, or a comparable iron, is the way to go. I think the
Weller WES51 is pretty similar, though I've not read up on it, and it may
have better tip selection.You might also be able to find a good deal on a
used Hakko 936 if you hunt around, those were the precursor to the FX-888
and were also pretty good.

For more casual use RadioShack also sells the Weller WLC100 for about $50
(Amazon for $40), which is a decent step up from a non-adjustable iron and
probably better build quality than the $20 adjustable irons. Just be aware
that it's temperature adjustable, not temperature controlled - all it does
is adjust the amount of power going through the iron. The temp controlled
irons will maintain the temperature you set and are vastly superior to use,
in my opinion. I spent a few years with a 25W iron on a lamp dimmer and I'm
not going back. :)

If you really want good stuff, like Charles said Weller makes some good
medium-high end stuff, and OKi (budget division of Metcal) make nice
professional grade irons for (relatively) reasonable cost. Those run
$200-400 at the bottom end, though. I think the OKi we have here at work
was about $350, the Metcal was over $600. :) Fun to have access to, but not
really necessary. Those and the higher end Wellers use interchangeable tips
for different temps, which makes them great for production work but
slightly less flexible for general use.

Stickman




On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 12:55 AM, John Carmonne  wrote:

>
> On Jul 22, 2013, at 8:47 PM, Wesley Furr wrote:
>
> > Are there any others you would recommend?  Found it on Amazon with some
> > mixed reviews.  Wouldn't mind spending more than $20...but not sure I
> want
> > to spend $80 that Radio Shack wants for their "digital soldering
> > station"...though it does look nice!
> >
> > I've got at least one old Mac that I know I need to replace caps in
> (haven't
> > done one yet = this one is an LC)...also want to try some PCB assembly
> on a
> > board with a fairly small pitch between pins and components...
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Wesley
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> >
> > i think this soldering iron is great for people starting out.
> > i like the ones that are adjustable.
> >
> > http://www.microcenter.com/product/391342/Low-Cost_Soldering_Station
>
>
>
>
> I have the RS digital soldering station and for me it's worth every penny,
> I have one like the example from Amazon
> the problem for me is the tip selection and weak temp control.
>
>
>
> John Carmonne
> Yorba Linda CA
> 92886 USA
> MacPro 2.66 Quad Nehalem
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Soldering Station - was: Are my 2 Powerbook 100 only for the trashcan?

2013-07-23 Thread Gregg Eshelman
On Tue, 7/23/13, theonetruestick...@gmail.com  
wrote:

 Subject: Re: Soldering Station - was: Are my 2 Powerbook 100 only for the 
trashcan?
 To: vintage-macs@googlegroups.com
 Date: Tuesday, July 23, 2013, 7:08 AM
 
 I have the
 Hakko FX-888 and agree with every other reviewer - it's
 worth it, though the analog version has been discontinued in
 favor of the FX-888D (the sparkfun link), which is slightly
 retarded. Read up on how the buttons work before you buy
 that one.

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Saw something about a password on the link to the digital version. A password 
on a soldering iron?! I can see it now, soldering stations with PostIt Notes 
stuck to them with passwords written on...

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Re: Soldering Station - was: Are my 2 Powerbook 100 only for the trashcan?

2013-07-24 Thread theonetruestickman
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 1:22 AM, Gregg Eshelman  wrote:

>
> Saw something about a password on the link to the digital version. A
> password on a soldering iron?! I can see it now, soldering stations with
> PostIt Notes stuck to them with passwords written on...
>

Hey, that's a feature! ;) I just looked it up because I was curious, looks
like the password is a setting that you can turn on if you need to have the
iron locked to a set temperature for process control in a manufacturing
environment. If you don't care about it, it won't get in the way.

Changing temps is a little more involved with the digital version, like I
thought, but once you set up your presets (or just use the defaults) it
looks like it's reasonable to use.

Here's the manual, if anyone is curious (direct PDF link):
https://doc.hakko.com/download.php?_gs=on&l=en&kp=fx-888d&d=3316

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Re: Soldering Station - was: Are my 2 Powerbook 100 only for the trashcan?

2013-07-24 Thread Bruce Eason
When I learned electronics in high school it was tubes.  Transistors
had just been invented but were not commercially available. We wrapped
our own coils for our one tube radio receivers and soldered the
circuits using terminal strips.  The soldering irons were passive -
oblong chunks of copper that we had to file smooth and tin every day
this on a steel shaft with a wooden handle.  In total, about 16" long.
By passive, I mean we had to heat them in little natural gas ovens that
two classmates would share.  I'm in hysterics thinking about a password
protected digital soldering iron.. I've got an old pencil iron that
got me through my life so far but this discussion has forced me into
replying.. too funny - password protected soldering iron.  I know, I
know it makes sense for that environment but you hit my funny bone,
that's all.

Just had to share.


On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 07:25:21AM -0400, theonetruestick...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 1:22 AM, Gregg Eshelman  wrote:
> 
> >
> > Saw something about a password on the link to the digital version. A
> > password on a soldering iron?! I can see it now, soldering stations with
> > PostIt Notes stuck to them with passwords written on...
> >
> 
> Hey, that's a feature! ;) I just looked it up because I was curious, looks
> like the password is a setting that you can turn on if you need to have the
> iron locked to a set temperature for process control in a manufacturing
> environment. If you don't care about it, it won't get in the way.
> 
> Changing temps is a little more involved with the digital version, like I
> thought, but once you set up your presets (or just use the defaults) it
> looks like it's reasonable to use.
> 
> Here's the manual, if anyone is curious (direct PDF link):
> https://doc.hakko.com/download.php?_gs=on&l=en&kp=fx-888d&d=3316
> 
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RE: Soldering Station - was: Are my 2 Powerbook 100 only for the trashcan?

2013-07-25 Thread Wesley Furr
Thanks for everyone's input and thoughts...I'll have to stew on it all when
I have a little more time and pick something out and put in an order.

Wow...when you put it in that perspective, it is quite funny.  :-)  Amazing
how far we have come!  Thanks for sharing.  I can't imagine trying to work
with an iron heated in an over...wow..  But...I guess if you can do that,
you can do about anything!  :-)

Wesley


-Original Message-


When I learned electronics in high school it was tubes.  Transistors had
just been invented but were not commercially available. We wrapped our own
coils for our one tube radio receivers and soldered the circuits using
terminal strips.  The soldering irons were passive - oblong chunks of copper
that we had to file smooth and tin every day this on a steel shaft with a
wooden handle.  In total, about 16" long.
By passive, I mean we had to heat them in little natural gas ovens that two
classmates would share.  I'm in hysterics thinking about a password
protected digital soldering iron.. I've got an old pencil iron that got me
through my life so far but this discussion has forced me into replying.. too
funny - password protected soldering iron.  I know, I know it makes sense
for that environment but you hit my funny bone, that's all.

Just had to share.

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Re: Soldering Station - was: Are my 2 Powerbook 100 only for the trashcan?

2013-07-25 Thread Jeff Walther


On Wednesday, July 24, 2013 11:28:23 PM UTC-5, Bruce Eason wrote:
>
> When I learned electronics in high school it was tubes.  Transistors 
> had just been invented but were not commercially available. We wrapped 
> our own coils for our one tube radio receivers and soldered the 
> circuits using terminal strips.  The soldering irons were passive - 
> oblong chunks of copper that we had to file smooth and tin every day 
> this on a steel shaft with a wooden handle.  In total, about 16" long. 
> By passive, I mean we had to heat them in little natural gas ovens that 
> two classmates would share.  I'm in hysterics thinking about a password 
> protected digital soldering iron.. I've got an old pencil iron that 
> got me through my life so far but this discussion has forced me into 
> replying.. too funny - password protected soldering iron.  I know, I 
> know it makes sense for that environment but you hit my funny bone, 
> that's all. 
>
> Yes.   I'm from a later age, but I make do just fine with the $10, 15 watt 
soldering pencils from Radio Shack and the slightly more expensive ($15?) 
45 watt pencil for when a pad is tied to a ground or power plane.   But if 
temperature controlled pencils are now down around $20, why not?

Jeff Walther
 

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Re: Soldering Station - was: Are my 2 Powerbook 100 only for the trashcan?

2013-07-26 Thread Bruce Eason
Don't do much with my old macs these days - they survived the Calgary
flood and I shot some movies of them booting last year but never got
to sharing - got on this list to suss out the scene and haven't had a
minute to do much about them..

built some cables to transfer data from 400K floppies to my linux box
this past spring as that is what was stuck in my craw and that was the
last time I used a soldering iron.

when I get the round tuit, will post a howto.


On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 12:18:33PM -0700, Jeff Walther wrote:
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, July 24, 2013 11:28:23 PM UTC-5, Bruce Eason wrote:
> >
> > When I learned electronics in high school it was tubes.  Transistors 
> > had just been invented but were not commercially available. We wrapped 
> > our own coils for our one tube radio receivers and soldered the 
> > circuits using terminal strips.  The soldering irons were passive - 
> > oblong chunks of copper that we had to file smooth and tin every day 
> > this on a steel shaft with a wooden handle.  In total, about 16" long. 
> > By passive, I mean we had to heat them in little natural gas ovens that 
> > two classmates would share.  I'm in hysterics thinking about a password 
> > protected digital soldering iron.. I've got an old pencil iron that 
> > got me through my life so far but this discussion has forced me into 
> > replying.. too funny - password protected soldering iron.  I know, I 
> > know it makes sense for that environment but you hit my funny bone, 
> > that's all. 
> >
> > Yes.   I'm from a later age, but I make do just fine with the $10, 15 watt 
> soldering pencils from Radio Shack and the slightly more expensive ($15?) 
> 45 watt pencil for when a pad is tied to a ground or power plane.   But if 
> temperature controlled pencils are now down around $20, why not?
> 
> Jeff Walther
>  
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RE: Soldering Station - was: Are my 2 Powerbook 100 only for the trashcan?

2013-08-17 Thread Wesley Furr
Thanks to everyone for their input.  After some digging around, I stumbled
into a clone of the Hakko 936, the Yihua 936...  Found a youtube comparison
of the two, and while not quite as refined, I think it will do fine.  I
found it for $16 (plus $14 shipping) at
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewitem.asp?idproduct=19240
 
Apparently it will use the Hakko tips, as well as those from Radio Shack.
I'll report back once I've used it some, but sounds like it will suit my
purposes just fine.  Also, if anyone is going to order one, open up the page
and let it sit there for a while.  I had an extra browser tab open and after
ordering, came back to that tab and it said something along the lines of "we
noticed you've been sitting here a while" and offered a one-time shot at
buying it for about $1 less.  Grumble, grumble...oh well.
 
Thanks again to all!
 
Wesley
 

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If you're going to spend $70 on an iron anyway and plan to do a bit of
soldering the triple-8, or a comparable iron, is the way to go. I think the
Weller WES51 is pretty similar, though I've not read up on it, and it may
have better tip selection.You might also be able to find a good deal on a
used Hakko 936 if you hunt around, those were the precursor to the FX-888
and were also pretty good. 


Stickman



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Re: Soldering Station - was: Are my 2 Powerbook 100 only for the trashcan?

2013-09-07 Thread gaetano314
Hi again,
I hope everybody on this thread is fine!
I was off for about 3 weeks and I was far from the PB100 I am working on so 
I couldn't have any kind of news but I will be back in short and will let 
you know about the new progress.
Short before leaving I came to know that there are caps under the LCD case 
as well and that they are likely to be leaking as well, may anybody give me 
hints on how to open the monitor case?

Thank you once again!
Gaetano

Il giorno sabato 17 agosto 2013 22:29:35 UTC+2, Wesley ha scritto:
>
>  Thanks to everyone for their input.  After some digging around, I 
> stumbled into a clone of the Hakko 936, the Yihua 936...  Found a youtube 
> comparison of the two, and while not quite as refined, I think it will do 
> fine.  I found it for $16 (plus $14 shipping) at 
> http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewitem.asp?idproduct=19240
>  
> Apparently it will use the Hakko tips, as well as those from Radio Shack.  
> I'll report back once I've used it some, but sounds like it will suit my 
> purposes just fine.  Also, if anyone is going to order one, open up the 
> page and let it sit there for a while.  I had an extra browser tab open and 
> after ordering, came back to that tab and it said something along the lines 
> of "we noticed you've been sitting here a while" and offered a one-time 
> shot at buying it for about $1 less.  Grumble, grumble...oh well.
>  
> Thanks again to all!
>  
> Wesley
>  
>
>  --
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> vintag...@googlegroups.com ] *On Behalf Of *
> theonetru...@gmail.com 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 23, 2013 9:08 AM
> *To:* vintag...@googlegroups.com 
> *Subject:* Re: Soldering Station - was: Are my 2 Powerbook 100 only for 
> the trashcan?
>
>
> If you're going to spend $70 on an iron anyway and plan to do a bit of 
> soldering the triple-8, or a comparable iron, is the way to go. I think the 
> Weller WES51 is pretty similar, though I've not read up on it, and it may 
> have better tip selection.You might also be able to find a good deal on a 
> used Hakko 936 if you hunt around, those were the precursor to the FX-888 
> and were also pretty good. 
>
> Stickman
>  
>
>

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