Re: that IIfx RAM by wizard

[Gregg Eshelman]

--- the pickle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At 00:15 -0800 on 01/04/02, Gregg Eshelman wrote:
> 
> >MicroMac sells (or sold) SIMM stackers that would
> >put four 30pin SIMMs in each IIfx slot. Expensive
> 
> How did they overcome the problem that four 30-pin
> SIMMs make a 32-bit RAM
> chip, which is then sitting in an 8-bit slot?

Serial addressing? No idea, I'm not an electronics
engineer. ;)

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Re: Virtual Girl

[James A. Reible]

At 11:43 AM -05004/1/02, Scott Holder wrote;
>
>Heh, if this is what I think I'm remembering it as,

It is.


>I'd feel bad for
>someone who found it fun for very long :)

I've used it as a 'surprise' on a few clients machines.  :-)
Set it transparent, no sound and 1 hr.
It usually takes a week before they'll call and hem and haw all
around the subject.
It's hilarious sometimes.
I can be a real asshole sometimes too!  :-)
'What? You see WHAT???
Oh that's just the ghosts in the machine...'
(While I'm biting my tongue to keep from breaking up!)
hehehehe
The EMF Profiler is another good one.
Tweety also.
:-)
Sorry, must be that holiday feeling!  :-)

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Plug-in needed

[Terry]

  (for the second time) I've installed "MT-NewsWatcher 3.1"
and it won't start up because it say's I need "
InterfaceLib--PBXVoIInfoSync" (again).
  Would anyone happen to be able to send me a copy ?
Dose anyone know where it "should" be ? I've looked in ALL
of my plug-in folders and I can't find it or get a response
from the creator (the programs , not mine).
  Any help would go a long ways toward keeping me from
killing my "puter".


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Re: SCSI, DMA, performance: IIfx vs other Macs

[Robert Gray]

>What other Macs that does have this DMA
>supported and high performance SCSI chipsets besides this IIfx?

I'm not aware of any software that made use of the DMA capability of 
the fx.  Radius had a few video cards that used it to import chunks 
of data much like the early 24-bit Apple card.  But to use that 
feature you crippled the machine to OS 7.5, I think.  Maybe it was 
7.1.

Ah, yes.  The high performance 6502 like I have in my pre-Macintosh 
Atari 800?  ;-)The speed gain was from relieving the CPU of IO 
housekeeping.


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Re: pram and 7.5.3 upgrade

[the pickle]

At 21:03 -0400 on 01/04/02, Scott Barber wrote:

>Speaking of PRAM,  besides date and time, startup disk, what other
>settings does it hold? Driver info for hard drives? etc?

AppleTalk setting...hrmmm...probably a few other things.  Checked the
Developer Tech Notes or old Hardware Tech Notes?

>Is it different for the various vintage macs?

Not AFAIK.

>and another thing I've been wondering about: what is the difference
>between 7.5.3 and 7.5.5?

7.5.5 was a (mostly) PPC stability improvement.

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pram and 7.5.3 upgrade

[Scott Barber]

Hi...
Speaking of PRAM,  besides date and time, startup disk, what other
settings does it hold? Driver info for hard drives? etc?
Is it different for the various vintage macs?

and another thing I've been wondering about: what is the difference
between 7.5.3 and 7.5.5?

On Mon, 1 Apr 2002, the pickle wrote:

> your PRAM has gotten corrupted.  That might cause this sort of behaviour.

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Re: Booting from a floppy

[the pickle]

At 19:02 -0500 on 01/04/02, Andrew McGinnis wrote:

>I think the pram is dead because after every reboot today, the date/time is
>wrong.  Thank you for your replies to my question, pickle.

Ah yes.  Might be a good idea to fix that with a new battery then :)

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Re: Booting from a floppy

[Andrew McGinnis]

On 4/1/02 6:22 PM, "the pickle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> At 18:19 -0500 on 01/04/02, Andrew McGinnis wrote:
> 
>> The disk that I'm using is the 7.5 network access disk.  I've managed to get
>> the disk working though- it seems I have to hold down cmd-opt-sft-del until
> 
> Huh...DOCS only works for SCSI devices.  Maybe the Startup Disk setting in
> your PRAM has gotten corrupted.  That might cause this sort of behaviour.
> The Mac *should* look for a floppy first, before it looks for anything else.
> 
> the pickle
> 
> FAQ 
> _

I think the pram is dead because after every reboot today, the date/time is
wrong.  Thank you for your replies to my question, pickle.


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Re: Booting from a floppy

[the pickle]

At 18:19 -0500 on 01/04/02, Andrew McGinnis wrote:

>The disk that I'm using is the 7.5 network access disk.  I've managed to get
>the disk working though- it seems I have to hold down cmd-opt-sft-del until

Huh...DOCS only works for SCSI devices.  Maybe the Startup Disk setting in
your PRAM has gotten corrupted.  That might cause this sort of behaviour.
The Mac *should* look for a floppy first, before it looks for anything else.

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Re: Booting from a floppy

[Andrew McGinnis]

> 
> Your floppy isn't really a valid boot floppy.  You need to make a new boot
> floppy, preferably using the 7.5 Network Access Disk image linked in the
> FAQ.
> 
> the pickle
> 
> FAQ 
> _

The disk that I'm using is the 7.5 network access disk.  I've managed to get
the disk working though- it seems I have to hold down cmd-opt-sft-del until
I get the "welcome to macintosh" screen.  Please excuse my newbie-ish-ness,
I haven't used 68k machines in a long, long time, and I only got my LCIII
last month.


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Re: Booting from a floppy

[the pickle]

At 16:53 -0500 on 01/04/02, Andrew McGinnis wrote:

>I'm trying to do a fresh install of 7.5.3 on my LC III by wiping the drive
>and doing a net install off of my powerbook.  I need to boot the LC off of a
>boot floppy, but every time I startup, the disk is ejected and the machine

Your floppy isn't really a valid boot floppy.  You need to make a new boot
floppy, preferably using the 7.5 Network Access Disk image linked in the
FAQ.

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Booting from a floppy

[Andrew McGinnis]

I'm trying to do a fresh install of 7.5.3 on my LC III by wiping the drive
and doing a net install off of my powerbook.  I need to boot the LC off of a
boot floppy, but every time I startup, the disk is ejected and the machine
boots from the hard drive.  I've tried cmnd-opt-shift-del to boot off it,
and it looks for the foppy, but after I get the happy mac icon, the disk is
spit out.  What can be done?


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Re: that IIfx RAM by wizard

[Robert Gray]

The specs are still on MicrMac's site:

  

They weren't for 30pins!  Of course, nobody would go out and buy 
eight 8MB SIMMs to configure a 64MB memory.  They'd buy the 16MB 
SIMMs at something more than twice the cost of 8MB units and then 
combine their previous configuration into the four stackers.  Even 
1MB SIMMs were costly back then.  That was the whole point of 
stackers--salvage your memory.  Nobody would have thought of throwing 
away 4MB SIMMs!   :-)


>MicroMac no longer has the IIfx SIMM stackers on
>their site but they WERE for putting four 30pin
>SIMMs into each 64pin slot. There'd be zero point
>to a 64pin to 64pin stacker because they'd cost
>just as much as a 16meg 64pin SIMM.


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Re: Virtual Girl

[Andrew Michael MacTao]

James,
If you haven't already sent it off to Jesse, could you put my 
email addy in the Cc: field?

Iechyd Da,
Andrew



>Found it.
>
>984k stuffed.
>
>Let me know and I'll zap it to you.
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Re: that IIfx RAM by wizard

[Robert Gray]

>MicroMac sells (or sold) SIMM stackers that
>would put four 30pin SIMMs in each IIfx slot.

As I recall, their stackers would put two 64pin SIMMs from your 
machine's inventory into a single shot.  Say you had 20MB configured 
as four 1MB and four 4MB SIMMs.  At the cost of about $100, you could 
combine them to make 5MB stackers in each of four slots and then add 
new inventory to the four, now empty slots.

The 30pin stackers were for other II series Macs.  I've had at least 
one fx running 24/7 since they came out so occasionally I'd search 
for such beasties.  Never saw one which used 30pin SIMMs in 64pin 
application so I'd assume it was, at least trivially, not possible. 
Had it been, they would have done so inasmuch as "real" RAM maxed out 
would cost around $1K.

With 96 megs, I can only remember a few times having to quit a 
program to make room for another so I've shared the eight 16MB SIMMs 
between two machines.

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Re: Virtual Girl

[Scott Holder]

At 08:10 AM 4/1/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>I've got it stuffed somewhere, when/if I find it I'll post the URL.
>Or I can just send it to you, it wasn't too big if I remember correctly.
>It was 'fun' for a while but I wound up tossing it, got 'boring'.
>:-)

Heh, if this is what I think I'm remembering it as, I'd feel bad for 
someone who found it fun for very long :)

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Virtual Girl

[James A. Reible]

Found it.

984k stuffed.

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Re: Virtual Girl

[James A. Reible]

At 6:32 AM -08004/1/02, Jesse wrote;


>Hey -- anyone no were I can find a copy of "Virtual Girl".  My friend
>wants a copy, but I can't find it anywhere.

I've got it stuffed somewhere, when/if I find it I'll post the URL.
Or I can just send it to you, it wasn't too big if I remember correctly.
It was 'fun' for a while but I wound up tossing it, got 'boring'.
:-)

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Re: VNC on a 475

[Eagle]

On Sunday, March 31, 2002, at 08:27 , Phil Beesley wrote:
> On Saturday, March 30, 2002, at 08:30  pm, Mark Benson wrote:
>> Is there a free DHCP server for the Mac. I want to set my LC475, which
>> runs 24/7 as a webserver and now a DNS, as a DHCP server to save me
>> having to set all my machines up by hand. Also is there any chance of
>> serving VNC or Timbuktu (without having to buy TB2 preferably) from the
>> LC so I can run it headless.
>
> IPNetRouter includes a DHCP server. It isn't free but it's cheap and you
> can get a further 30% educational discount.
>
> I ran VNC Server briefly on a Powermac 6100 but the experience is not
> one that I would recommend. VNC works brilliantly on Windows and Unix
> boxes but the port for classic Mac OS (both PPC and 68K) has never had
> enough work done on it. YMMV.

I tried VNC on my SE/30 and it crashed & burned.  WAY. TOO. SLOW. :(  
But Timbuktu works fine. :)

Is there any sort of remote display option for a 4MB 68000?  That is, 
Plus or SE?  Timbuktu requires 8MB.

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Virtual Girl

[Jesse]

Hey -- anyone no were I can find a copy of "Virtual Girl".  My friend 
wants a copy, but I can't find it anywhere.

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Re: that IIfx RAM by wizard

[the pickle]

At 00:15 -0800 on 01/04/02, Gregg Eshelman wrote:

>MicroMac sells (or sold) SIMM stackers that would
>put four 30pin SIMMs in each IIfx slot. Expensive

How did they overcome the problem that four 30-pin SIMMs make a 32-bit RAM
chip, which is then sitting in an 8-bit slot?

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Re: SCSI, DMA, performance: IIfx vs other Macs.

[the pickle]

At 23:43 -0800 on 31/03/02, Gregg Eshelman wrote:

>--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> Now,  Question of the day:  What other Macs that
>> does have this DMA
>> supported and high performance SCSI chipsets besides
>> this IIfx?
>
>Quadra 900 and Quadra 950. Along with the IIfx, they
>are the only Macs to have the IOP (Input Output

But they still don't have the SCSI DMA chip that the IIfx does.  Just the
6502s controlling the serial ports.

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Re: that IIfx RAM by wizard

[Gregg Eshelman]

--- Gregg Eshelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > >MicroMac sells (or sold) SIMM stackers that would
> > >put four 30pin SIMMs in each IIfx slot. Expensive
> > >though! (Like most of their stuff.)
> > >
> > 
> > The SIMM stackers for the IIfx are for 64 pin
> SIMMs.
> > 
> > What makes the IIfx's SIMMs special is that they
> > have separate pins 
> > for data input and output. This allows to overlap
> > read and write 
> > accesses to the memory, but it also makes 30pin ->
> > 64pin adaptors impossible.
> 
> MicroMac no longer has the IIfx SIMM stackers on
> their site but they WERE for putting four 30pin
> SIMMs into each 64pin slot. There'd be zero point
> to a 64pin to 64pin stacker because they'd cost
> just as much as a 16meg 64pin SIMM. ANYTHING is
> possible with electronics and computers if you
> throw enough technology/parts/time/money at it. :)
> Whether or not it's actually worth doing is up to
> the person spending the money. (Like the MicroMac
> LC expansion setup.)

They do list adapters to put TWO 64pin SIMMs in
one 64pin slot, TWO 30pin SIMMs in one 30pin slot,
or FOUR 30pin SIMMs in one 72pin slot. But the
ones they did have for putting FOUR 30pin SIMMs in
one 64pin slot aren't there anymore.

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Re: that IIfx RAM by wizard

[Gregg Eshelman]

> >MicroMac sells (or sold) SIMM stackers that would
> >put four 30pin SIMMs in each IIfx slot. Expensive
> >though! (Like most of their stuff.)
> >
> 
> The SIMM stackers for the IIfx are for 64 pin SIMMs.
> 
> What makes the IIfx's SIMMs special is that they
> have separate pins 
> for data input and output. This allows to overlap
> read and write 
> accesses to the memory, but it also makes 30pin ->
> 64pin adaptors impossible.

MicroMac no longer has the IIfx SIMM stackers on
their site but they WERE for putting four 30pin
SIMMs into each 64pin slot. There'd be zero point
to a 64pin to 64pin stacker because they'd cost
just as much as a 16meg 64pin SIMM. ANYTHING is
possible with electronics and computers if you
throw enough technology/parts/time/money at it. :)
Whether or not it's actually worth doing is up to
the person spending the money. (Like the MicroMac
LC expansion setup.)

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Re: Performa 460

[Scott Holder]

At 10:47 AM 4/1/2002 +0100, you wrote:
>Well, as if we didn't know already, at least we know what makes OS 7.5.5
>so durn unstable now. I think vincenzo is trying to find a program to
>strip the PPC code out of Mac OS versions but he can't find it, what did
>you used Bob?

Well, my name isn't Bob, but I seem to recall a program called "FAT 
Slimmer" or something like that... I know it had the FAT in there 
somewhere. FAT Dropper? FAT Loss? FAT Remover? Something along those lines.

I always meant to try it out but it hadn't occurred to me to run it on the 
system software itself. Makes sense now :) I wonder what it might do for 
8.1? Or, for that matter, 8.5. One of these days I plan on trying a reverse 
of the 8.1 on '030s on Gamba's site and do a totally basic (IE everything 
unchecked except the System install) universal install of 8.5 on a Quadra 
and see if I can't get it to do something interesting. I don't actually 
expect it to work, but I'm just weird like that :)

Scott Holder


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Re: Performa 460

[Donn Haven Lathrop]

>> I think vincenzo is trying to find a program to 
strip the PPC code out of Mac OS versions but he can't find it, what did 
you used Bob?<<

The below works like a charm.  It's worth the $10, even though it's not
nagware.

Alessandro Levi Montalcini
C.so Re Umberto 10
10121 Torino
Italy

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PowerPCheck 3.2 info - April 1997

• Shareware: $10 - Please check the online documentation for detailed
registration instructions.

• PowerPCheck is a cool drag & drop utility that looks for native
PowerPC code inside applications, control panels, extensions and all
other executable files. It can check individual files as well as folders
or entire disks; it inspects both the data fork and the resource fork of
each file and creates a detailed text report of all the native code it
finds. Version 3.0 can also remove the PowerPC or 68K code from the
inspected files.

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wizard:raino has some IIfx RAM

[flawed jai]

wizard: [EMAIL PROTECTED] offered me a set of IIfx RAM sticks just a
few days back.  try her and see if she still has them.  i didn't have
the cash or paypal to take her offer at the time. and keep us posted.

curiouser and curiouser.
go, wizard, go!

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Re: that IIfx RAM by wizard

[Dirk Kautz]

>--- flawed jai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>  wizard--I'm following this discussion with interest.
>>  while i do not
>>  understand every last thing you are talking about, i
>>  had never heard of
>>  converting the RAM on a IIfx before.  i gather that
>>  you are studying the
>>  structure of how the RAM cips and pins were designed
>>  for the IIfx and
>>  coming to the conclusion that they have more bells
>>  and whistles than
>>  they needed to have, most of which go largely
>>  unused--and that you can
>>  convert the machine over to using another form of
>>  RAM simms that are
>>  more common and more versatile.
>
>MicroMac sells (or sold) SIMM stackers that would
>put four 30pin SIMMs in each IIfx slot. Expensive
>though! (Like most of their stuff.)
>

The SIMM stackers for the IIfx are for 64 pin SIMMs.

What makes the IIfx's SIMMs special is that they have separate pins 
for data input and output. This allows to overlap read and write 
accesses to the memory, but it also makes 30pin -> 64pin adaptors 
impossible.

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Re: Performa 460

[Mark Benson]

On Monday, April 1, 2002, at 03:39 AM, rlf9 wrote:

> On the other hand, I stripped all the PPC code from 7.5.5 for use in LC
> III's for elementary school programs and was really pleased with the
> results. Uses only 4MB RAM, has better AppleScripting support, and no
> less stable than 7.6.1. I was surprised!

Well, as if we didn't know already, at least we know what makes OS 7.5.5 
so durn unstable now. I think vincenzo is trying to find a program to 
strip the PPC code out of Mac OS versions but he can't find it, what did 
you used Bob?

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Re: Problems with Asantetalk Localtalk-Ethernet adapter

[Scott Holder]

At 12:20 AM 4/1/2002 -0800, you wrote:
>Tried a different netowrk cable?

Yep, though the same cable works fine in the other setup I mentioned

>  Checked the plugs to ensure they are fully seated?

Yep, and I get hardware link and activity lights. Just no software link.

>Got any pets that like to chew stuff?

No pets. I want a cat, but I'm renting, so that's right out :) There was a 
moth that got in last night while I had the attic fan on though...

>I had a customer once whoserabbit chewed her mouse cord from end to end.

Hehe I've done tech support myself for the last three years, so I've seen 
all sorts of odd things myself :)

Any other ideas?

Thanks,
Scott Holder


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Re: Cd-rom identification help.

[Gregg Eshelman]

--- James S Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The CR-507-C is a Matsushita-made, Apple-branded 12X
> SCSI CD-ROM drive. 
> The CR-506-C is a 8X drive used in the 8500s.
> Logically, I'd guess it's 
> a 4X drive in the same series. The 507 and 506
> actually specify the 
> speed on the drive label. It's odd the 505 doesn't.

What's odd is the "evaluation" tag on the lable.
Could be an engineering sample sent out for testing.

I've chatted on IRC with a guy who works in the
testing lab at Micron in Boise, ID. They get to
play with all the latest computer goodies before
us peons even hear about them! (Yes, even Mac stuff.)
At one time he mentioned a "Super Cube", the samples
of which they'd recieved had a problem with one
of the RAM slots not working properly. Apparently
with the dismal sales of the original Cube, Apple
decided to shelve the Super Cube. Micron recieved
eight engineering samples of the Cube, then bought
eight more of the shipping version, which was
identical to the ES version so they didn't bother
to do much testing on them.

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Re: SCSI, DMA, performance: IIfx vs other Macs.

[Marten van de Kraats]

> Now,  Question of the day:  What other Macs that does have this DMA
> supported and high performance SCSI chipsets besides this IIfx?

Didn't the 900 and 950 have similar stuff on board? And there might be 
some other 68040 model that I'm forgetting about right now.

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Re: Problems with Asantetalk Localtalk-Ethernet adapter

[Gregg Eshelman]

Tried a different netowrk cable? Checked the plugs
to ensure they are fully seated? Got any pets
that like to chew stuff? I had a customer once whose
rabbit chewed her mouse cord from end to end.
It looked like someone took a pair of scissors to it
and made a zillion angled cuts partway through the
cable.

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