Re: new 68k for Dad
--- Adam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On some platforms you'd run a degrader of some sort. Doesn't one exist for the mac? There is one I'm pretty sure, but I can't for the life of me remember what it's called. VMac for Mac. :) Emulates a Mac Plus. http://www.vmac.org May still run too fast on really fast Macs. = Why do Zik-Zak Burgers come in plastic packs? Some of the plastic rubs off on them and increases their nutritional value! Max Headroom __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: new 68k for Dad
Gregg Eshelman wrote: --- Adam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On some platforms you'd run a degrader of some sort. Doesn't one exist for the mac? There is one I'm pretty sure, but I can't for the life of me remember what it's called. VMac for Mac. :) Emulates a Mac Plus. http://www.vmac.org May still run too fast on really fast Macs. Thats cheating. :) A very true emulation for those who haven't tried it bumps and all. -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: new 68k for Dad
While we're cheating, here's another emulator that you could try. Never tried it myself, but remembered seeing it come across the daily updates. Granted, this won't bring true nostalgia, but it's worth a shot if you run into dead ends doing the real way. Peace, Todd -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Best choice for system 6
First, thanks for all of the help so far. I especially hadn't thought of the monitor compatibility, I'll have to ponder that. Second, since someone brought up emulation, what has the groups experience been with this subject. I know that several exist (Basilisk, Executor, SoftMac, VMac, etc) and I have read some reviews, but...I would still like to know what this group thinks. Are there any others (besides vMac) that will emulate a 68k on a PPC? This was actually news to me, as I previously thought they were all designed to emulate a Mac on a Windows machine. Again, many thanks in advance. oob -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: best choice for system 6
Second, since someone brought up emulation, what has the groups experience been with this subject. I know that several exist (Basilisk, Executor, SoftMac, VMac, etc) and I have read some reviews, but...I would still like to know what this group thinks. I mentioned before that the reason I got those 68K Macs, the IIci and LCs (and also the reason I'm even on this list) was because I wanted to set-up a machine just to run all my old System 6 stuff- including games. And the reason I got a machine just for the purpose of running old stuff? Because I did not find vMac to do a good enough job emulating for me to use the old software with it. I tried a few different revisions of vMac (although I don't think it's reached 1.0 yet) on a few different configurations. None of them operated without hiccups- in many cases, literal hiccups; the sound would have odd interruptions and drop-outs, even during the startup chime. vMac is an interesting curiosity, but not worth it if you ask me. To me, the only advantage vMac has over an actual physical System 6 Mac is the fact that it doesn't require any extra physical space- for the Mac itself, for the keyboard and mouse (and the accessibility to use them), and most of all, for the big honkin' monitor. I wound up getting around that problem for the most part by hooking my LC, as well as my IIci, through those adaptors I was talking about, into a KVM switch that was meant for PCs. I now have the IIci and LC, along with my Quadra 950 and PM6100, all hooked up to one monitor, keyboard and mouse. -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
LC Road Apple; Was: Re: new 68k for Dad
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 18:46:52 -0500 From: Fletch Brendan Good [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: new 68k for Dad If you need a third choice, I would actually suggest an LC (not an LC II or III), even though LowEndMac declared it a Road Apple. Though it is essentially a repackaging of the Mac II (it has a 68020), If the LC were actually a repackaged Mac II, say with the NuBus slots removed and the SIMM slots reduced in number it would not be so bad. However, that is not the case. The LC has a 16 bit path between the CPU and memory, where the Mac II has a 32 bit path.This causes a very significant reduction in performance in the LC vs. the II. Additionally, the Mac II had a maximum RAM of 128 MB. The LC goes up to 10 MB.What's up with that? It's not even a power of 2. Apple must have done something seriously stupid in the ROM and/or the memory map, because that's not the kind of number you're likely to get from a hardware limitation. Basically, the LC could be a better machine with exactly the same hardware, if the ROM was better written. It could be a pretty good machine, albeit a little more expensive with a wider data bus. The marketing weenies were probably pressuring the engineering folks to build a machine that wouldn't compete with the IIsi and the abominable LC is what we got. It didn't become what it should have been until the LC III. I wouldn't be surprised to find that the design for the LC III was basically laying around during the entire lifetime of the LC and the LCII. Wooo. I wouldn't go on about this so much, but this is a pet peeve of mine about Apple. They release models that are handicapped beyond the requirements of any cost savings.By that, I mean that for the same money, and using pretty much the same parts, there have been several machines that could have been much better were it not for the marketing weenies. It's darned inefficient, it is. Anyway, don't dishonor the Mac II, which was a fine machine for its day, by saying that the LC is a close relative. :-) Jeff -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LC Road Apple; Was: Re: new 68k for Dad
. Additionally, the Mac II had a maximum RAM of 128 MB. The LC goes up to 10 MB.What's up with that? It's not even a power of 2. Apple must have done something seriously stupid in the ROM and/or the memory map, because that's not the kind of number you're likely to get from a hardware limitation. The 10Mb RAM limit was deliberately programmed into the LC's ASICs. Cheers, Adam. -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LC Road Apple; Was: Re: new 68k for Dad
At 03:50 +1000 on 25/03/03, Adam wrote: . Additionally, the Mac II had a maximum RAM of 128 MB. The LC goes up to 10 MB.What's up with that? It's not even a power of 2. Apple must have done something seriously stupid in the ROM and/or the memory map, because that's not the kind of number you're likely to get from a hardware limitation. The 10Mb RAM limit was deliberately programmed into the LC's ASICs. Which says to me patch it! There *has* to be a way to patch that ROM in software to get around the limitation. Even if it only allowed the use of low-profile 16 MB SIMMs, that would more than triple the current RAM cap and make the LC and LC II a *lot* more tolerable. Same goes for the MacTV if anyone out there has the skillz to write the patch. -- the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml _ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LC Road Apple; Was: Re: new 68k for Dad
Additionally, the Mac II had a maximum RAM of 128 MB. The LC goes up to 10 MB. snip The 10Mb RAM limit was deliberately programmed into the LC's ASICs. Which says to me patch it! There *has* to be a way to patch that ROM in software to get around the limitation. That would rock, but, is the limitation actually programmed into the ROM? Or is it built into the memory controller or some other inaccessable location? Cheers, Adam. -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LC Road Apple; Was: Re: new 68k for Dad
At 04:05 +1000 on 25/03/03, Adam wrote: That would rock, but, is the limitation actually programmed into the ROM? Or is it built into the memory controller or some other inaccessable location? No one really knows for sure, but I suspect the ROM. -- the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml _ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
