Re: Boot CD

[J.S. Garrison]

on 11/13/03 7:59 PM, Gregg Eshelman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> --- Powermac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> So the IIfx does have cdrom support on an external
>> drive?
> 
> Dunno about the Plus or the Classic (The Plus+ ;) or
> the SE, but any other Mac with SCSI should be able to
> support a CD-ROM drive.
> 
> Were there CD-ROM extentions for System 6?


No, but an experiment of mine showed that a Plus using CD ROM
4.04 would boot a CD ROM using only a boot floppy.


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Re: Found OT for LCIII. What will extract an .sea on an LCIII?

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on 11/13/03 4:48 PM, Chris Shustak at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I finally purchased a floppy drive for my Ibook, and  found the files for
> OT1.1.2 for my LCIII.  I downloaded the four files onto floppies, and moved
> them over to the LCIII.
> 
> The problem that arises is that the LCIII does not know what to do with the
> .sea files that I downloaded.
> 
> What program and version will decompress these .sea files on an
> LCIII?  Where do I find this beast?
> 
> Thanks
> Chris
> 
> 

If they were copied over correctly, they are Self Extracting Archive (.sea)
files. If they themselves are compressed, then DL a copy of DiskCopy from
Apple's Older Softwares Site

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Re: Boot CD

[J.S. Garrison]

on 11/13/03 2:21 PM, Vaughan Bromfield at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:


>> 
>> Huh. There's a rare one. That'd be cool to have when repairing older
>> Vintage
>> Macs, because the all take CD ROMs externally.
>> 
>> Jeff
>> 
> 
> Not sure what you mean Jeff. The Macintosh IIvx and IIvi were the first
> to offer internal CD-ROM as an option, and I believe these are the
> first with ROMs that recognise the "C" key to start from the CD. The
> 840av was released several months after the IIvx, and the internal
> CD-ROM was optional.
> 
> For bonus points, can anybody remember which model was the first to
> come *standard* with CD?
> 
> I've also seen (and used) an upgrade System 7 CD (as in System 7.0)
> back in 1991 or whenever System 7 first appeared. Don't know whether or
> not it was bootable (at the time System 6 fitted onto an 800K floppy).
> That CD would be neat to have now.
> 
> Vaughan

Thinking about System 7.1, I can't see how it would benefit. Now, System
7.5.3...


Jeff


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Re: Boot CD

[J.S. Garrison]

on 11/13/03 2:39 PM, Powermac at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


> 
> So the IIfx does have cdrom support on an external drive?
> 
> 
> 

I'd be willing to bet it does.
I've got one in my closet if you want me to try it..


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Re: Boot CD

[Gregg Eshelman]

--- Powermac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> So the IIfx does have cdrom support on an external
> drive?

Dunno about the Plus or the Classic (The Plus+ ;) or
the SE, but any other Mac with SCSI should be able to
support a CD-ROM drive.

Were there CD-ROM extentions for System 6?

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Re: AppleScript for 7.1.1

[Steve Alessi]

On 11/11/03 15:55, "Chris Miles" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Anyone know if I can get / where I can find a version of AppleScript
> that will run on 7.1.1?


I believe that System 7.1 Pro came with AppleScript and PowerTalk.

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Found Stuffit version. Installed Mac TCP. Should I be able to ping the Mac?

[Chris Shustak]

I installed the MacTCP software after finding an older version of Stuffit 
for my LCIII.

I configured the TCP settings for manual.  My network is 192.168.1.0 /24.

It seems as though the numbers for network, subnet and node are decimal 
equivalents for binary network descriptions.  As a result, I took a 24 bit 
base-2 number for 192.168.1, and keyed this into the network section as a 
decimal equivalent.  The subnet section was set to 0, and the node setting 
was set to 51.  I configured a DNS IP address in four octets, and set the 
gateway address of  the router.

After rebooting the Mac LCIII, I tried to ping 192.168.1.51 from my PC.  I 
don't see a response.

Does the Mac have the ability to respond to a ping?  Or do I need a utility 
to test this?

Thanks
Chris


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Re: Dead LC II.

[Gregg Eshelman]

--- Josh Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
  
> I've also got a free smoke-damaged
> (its nearly black :) ) fully working one
> w/mouse+keyboard if
> anyone could put it to good use. 

That's about the only way an LC II could ever be
called
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Re: Strange lines on screen w/Supermac Thunder II GX - is the VRAM bad?

[John Niven]

On Thursday, November 13, 2003, at 03:54  PM, Jeff Walther wrote:

Identify the power pin on the memory chips.   Now, unless the memory 
chips are 'J' lead, it should be possible (with careful soldering) to 
lift the power pin of the memory chips one at a time.   This will 
completely disable that chip and by observing the affects you may be 
able to determine which is the faulty chip.
Not a bad idea Jeff! Except that now the chip has no power, and it's 
inputs are being driven. The typical ESD input protection circuit may 
well pull down the address/data bus and prevent any of the memories 
working properly. Maybe there is a chip select pin that could be 
disabled instead.

John

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Found OT for LCIII. What will extract an .sea on an LCIII?

[Chris Shustak]

I finally purchased a floppy drive for my Ibook, and  found the files for 
OT1.1.2 for my LCIII.  I downloaded the four files onto floppies, and moved 
them over to the LCIII.

The problem that arises is that the LCIII does not know what to do with the 
.sea files that I downloaded.

What program and version will decompress these .sea files on an 
LCIII?  Where do I find this beast?

Thanks
Chris


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Re: Strange lines on screen w/Supermac Thunder II GX - is the VRAM bad?

[Jeff Walther]

At 15:30 -0500 11/13/2003, Vintage Macs wrote:

Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 13:46:07 -0800
From: John Niven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

On Tuesday, November 11, 2003, at 07:46  PM, Greg Shafritz wrote:
 Here's what I'm thinking could be the problem:

 1. A bad VRAM chip on the video card
 2. A defect in the special adapter cable that this card uses
 (13w3 to DB-15 adapter)
Sounds like a bad VRAM chip. The problem is to tell which one.

If you have a scope you might find it that way (looking at the VRAM
output pins for one with no activity).
Put your finger on each in turn - see if one is running hot. Also look
carefully at the plastic package of each. Excessive heat can lead to a
discoloring as the plastic starts to breakdown.
You might also try "freezer spray", an aerosol can which you spay onto
each chip in turn. This cools the chip and may make it temporarily come
back to life.
Depending on what type of memory chips were used there may be another 
possibility.  Look up the datasheet for the memory chips used which 
will give you a pinout diagram of the chips.   I can help find the 
datasheet if you post the markings on the chips, though my best 
source went paid subscription recently, so they're harder to find 
than they were.

Identify the power pin on the memory chips.   Now, unless the memory 
chips are 'J' lead, it should be possible (with careful soldering) to 
lift the power pin of the memory chips one at a time.   This will 
completely disable that chip and by observing the affects you may be 
able to determine which is the faulty chip.

Jeff Walther

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Please help!!!!!!

[Andy Palmer]

Hi,

I have a Color Classic running System 7.1. Previously I was able to 
connect to my iMac running OS X Jaguar via Ethertalk. My iMac has been 
upgraded to Panther and when I go into the chooser on the Classic my 
iMac share is listed, but now when I try to connect I get the message " 
The file server uses an incompatible version of the AFP protocol. You 
cannot connect to it. Please contact the server's administrator"

I have spent hours trying to resolve the problem without any luck. Does 
anyone have any ideas??? Please help!!

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Re: Boot CD

[Powermac]

> Not sure what you mean Jeff. The Macintosh IIvx and IIvi were the first 
> to offer internal CD-ROM as an option, and I believe these are the 
> first with ROMs that recognise the "C" key to start from the CD. The 
> 840av was released several months after the IIvx, and the internal 
> CD-ROM was optional.
> 
> For bonus points, can anybody remember which model was the first to 
> come *standard* with CD?
> 
> I've also seen (and used) an upgrade System 7 CD (as in System 7.0) 
> back in 1991 or whenever System 7 first appeared. Don't know whether or 
> not it was bootable (at the time System 6 fitted onto an 800K floppy). 
> That CD would be neat to have now.
> 
> Vaughan
>

So the IIfx does have cdrom support on an external drive?




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Re: Boot CD

[Vaughan Bromfield]

On Friday, November 14, 2003, at 07:30  AM, Vintage Macs wrote:

>>
>> On Thursday, November 13, 2003, at 07:29  AM, Dave Q wrote:
>>
>>> I wonder, was there such a thing as a factory CD with 7.5.5 or
>>> earlier? The
>>> earliest I've seen was 7.6 (which I can't get to run on the Mac II).
>>>
>>> Dave Q.
>>
>> My Quadra 840av came with a bootable CD with System 7.1. I think I
>> still have it and the accessory kit (the 840av itself has 
>> disappeared).
>>
>> Vaughan
>>
>
>
> Huh. There's a rare one. That'd be cool to have when repairing older 
> Vintage
> Macs, because the all take CD ROMs externally.
>
> Jeff
>

Not sure what you mean Jeff. The Macintosh IIvx and IIvi were the first 
to offer internal CD-ROM as an option, and I believe these are the 
first with ROMs that recognise the "C" key to start from the CD. The 
840av was released several months after the IIvx, and the internal 
CD-ROM was optional.

For bonus points, can anybody remember which model was the first to 
come *standard* with CD?

I've also seen (and used) an upgrade System 7 CD (as in System 7.0) 
back in 1991 or whenever System 7 first appeared. Don't know whether or 
not it was bootable (at the time System 6 fitted onto an 800K floppy). 
That CD would be neat to have now.

Vaughan

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Re: Dead LC II.

[Bill Judson]

> I'm not sure but I think the LCII has 256k of soldered on video RAM (if
> there is only one 68-pin SIMM socket it does) so it might be worth
> taking that off too.
>
> --
> Mark Benson

LC/LC IIs have all their VRAM in the slots, so if you take the VRAM out
there will be no joy.

There is a special terminator (very rare, I hear) that if inserted in the
VRAM slot allows the LC to boot with a small amount (say 32k) of regular
RAM used for the video buffer, in black & white only.

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Re: Dead LC II.

[J.S. Garrison]

on 11/13/03 10:56 AM, Bob C. at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I think those A20 and A21 jumpers have something to do with whether the
> Mac's ROM is recognized or not.   I vaguely recall that there was some talk
> about a ROM SIMM that was planned to supplement or replace the original LC
> ROM.
> 
> Bob


Right, right. Either way that's not gonna stop that Mac from booting.


apologies,

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Re: Dead LC II.

[Bob C.]

I think those A20 and A21 jumpers have something to do with whether the
Mac's ROM is recognized or not.   I vaguely recall that there was some talk
about a ROM SIMM that was planned to supplement or replace the original LC
ROM.

   Bob


- Original Message - From: "J.S. Garrison"

   Martin wrote:
> > Next to the good-looking battery there are six pins labeled
> > A20 or A21... what are those for? (resetting battery?)
>
> IF there's no fan or speaker in there, it may be for those.



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Re: Dead LC II.

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on 11/13/03 4:05 AM, Marcin Wichary at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Thanks for your other suggestions. I just looked inside my LC II.
> 
> Everything looks positively clean and nice there. Not much
> dust, no leaking batteries, everything looking good.
> However, in the top left corner of the case (above the processor
> and next to the big white slot), in the place with all the
> little chips and capacitors, there's some sort of sticky
> substance on everything (just a little bit of it) and all solders
> look significantly less shiny than in the other parts of the
> board. Can this be the culprit?

That's possibly the cause of no sound at startup.

> There's a VRAM stick inserted in the slot (reinserted it),
> but the two DRAM slots next to it are empty. However, on
> the opposite side there are eight chips (UI2-UI9) labeled DRAM.
> Is it the onboard memory or the Mac is simply memoryless now?

No. it has 4 megs of RAM onboard.
 
> The video plug end from the monitor (the one you attach to
> the computer) only has 6 pins -- 5 in the top row and one
> in the bottom.

Then that can be the problem. You may need a monitor with at least 12 of the
15 pins. Sounds like that monitor COULD be one for an Apple II.

> Next to the good-looking battery there are six pins labeled
> A20 or A21... what are those for? (resetting battery?)

IF there's no fan or speaker in there, it may be for those.
 
> Tried to launch it with HDD/floppy/monitor/input devices
> detached -- still no luck.
> 
> What now...?

See the wrong-monitor comment above.

> 
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Re: Boot from CD

[J.S. Garrison]

on 11/12/03 4:17 PM, Vaughan Bromfield at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

> 
> On Thursday, November 13, 2003, at 07:29  AM, Dave Q wrote:
> 
>> I wonder, was there such a thing as a factory CD with 7.5.5 or
>> earlier? The
>> earliest I've seen was 7.6 (which I can't get to run on the Mac II).
>> 
>> Dave Q.
> 
> My Quadra 840av came with a bootable CD with System 7.1. I think I
> still have it and the accessory kit (the 840av itself has disappeared).
> 
> Vaughan
> 


Huh. There's a rare one. That'd be cool to have when repairing older Vintage
Macs, because the all take CD ROMs externally.

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Re: Dead LC II.

[J.S. Garrison]

on 11/12/03 10:19 AM, Marcin Wichary at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> : Always. If it doesn't find a bootable partition, it moves on to the hard
> : disk. Once no bootable partition is found, it gives up and puts out the
> : question mark.
> 
> Thanks. I know this part from the emulator (vMac), but
> the LC II never blinks or moves the drive. Would it boot if
> there's a problem with monitor or no monitor is attached?
> (I know some PCs won't.) If yes, we can narrow the problem down
> to motherboard (specifically memory or battery) or power supply,
> right?
> 
> 
> Marcin Wichary


I'd take the memories out and replace them as outline in my first message.

This Mac won't boot with the monitor cable removed, but should boot with
it attached, even if the monitor is bad. Battery won't keep the LC II from
booting. Bad RAM makes it chime strangely.

If you watch it boot with the lid off, and the fan spins, the hard disk
spins, and the memories are all socketed firmly, then unless the motherboard
is dead, (inspect it), it uoght to fire up.

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Re: Dead LC II.

[Mark Benson]

On Thursday, November 13, 2003, at 12:05PM, Marcin Wichary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Thanks for your other suggestions. I just looked inside my LC II.
>
>Everything looks positively clean and nice there. Not much
>dust, no leaking batteries, everything looking good.
>However, in the top left corner of the case (above the processor
>and next to the big white slot), in the place with all the
>little chips and capacitors, there's some sort of sticky
>substance on everything (just a little bit of it) and all solders
>look significantly less shiny than in the other parts of the
>board. Can this be the culprit?

Failed Electrolytic Caps often manifest themselves in this way. There is a problem I 
have had and others have reported with the Audio section (behind the audio connectors 
of the rear panel) capacitors failing and leaking on that part of the board. I have 2 
dead LCII boards that work fine apart form the audio that are just the same as you 
describe. I can't see how this could kill the whole board, however.

>There's a VRAM stick inserted in the slot (reinserted it),
>but the two DRAM slots next to it are empty. However, on
>the opposite side there are eight chips (UI2-UI9) labeled DRAM.
>Is it the onboard memory or the Mac is simply memoryless now?

All LCs have a soldered bank of DRAM. LCs have 2 MB, all others have 4 MB.

>The video plug end from the monitor (the one you attach to
>the computer) only has 6 pins -- 5 in the top row and one
>in the bottom.

It's usual for video cables to have missing pins, but these are usually evident from a 
hole in the plastic matrix the pins are mounted in in the plug. Do any look like they 
have been bent or broken?

>Next to the good-looking battery there are six pins labeled A20 or A21... what are 
>those for? 
>(resetting battery?)

There are 4 large contacts for the fan and speaker assembly on some LCII boads, also 
oin that edge somewher is what I always refer to as the 'debug strip', which is a line 
of contacts Apple used on the production line to test boards prior to assembly. Most 
68k Macs have these somewhere. For instance they are on the front edge of an SE/30 
board in front of the ROM SIMM.

>Tried to launch it with HDD/floppy/monitor/input devices
>detached -- still no luck. 

Sounds like a corpse :-(

>What now...?

Tell me, does your LCII have a separate fan and speaker or is it assembled into a 
plastic frame that sits over 4 contacts on the board?

If it has a separate fan and speaker that clip to the base independantly the best plan 
is to find an LCIII or Quadra 605 
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Re: Dead LC II.

[Marcin Wichary]

 Hi,

Thanks for your other suggestions. I just looked inside my LC II.

Everything looks positively clean and nice there. Not much
dust, no leaking batteries, everything looking good.
However, in the top left corner of the case (above the processor
and next to the big white slot), in the place with all the
little chips and capacitors, there's some sort of sticky
substance on everything (just a little bit of it) and all solders
look significantly less shiny than in the other parts of the
board. Can this be the culprit?

There's a VRAM stick inserted in the slot (reinserted it),
but the two DRAM slots next to it are empty. However, on
the opposite side there are eight chips (UI2-UI9) labeled DRAM.
Is it the onboard memory or the Mac is simply memoryless now?

The video plug end from the monitor (the one you attach to
the computer) only has 6 pins -- 5 in the top row and one
in the bottom.

Next to the good-looking battery there are six pins labeled
A20 or A21... what are those for? (resetting battery?)

Tried to launch it with HDD/floppy/monitor/input devices
detached -- still no luck. 

What now...?


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Re: Dead LC II.

[Josh Watson]

 
> I'm not sure but I think the LCII has 256k of soldered on video RAM (if 
> there is only one 68-pin SIMM socket it does) so it might be worth taking 
> that off too.

I'm pretty sure that it doesn't have anything soldered to the
mobo - it has a 512k VRAM SIMM. However, you can take this out
and the LC II will display a grey screen like the boot-up screen
(except just the grey screen - no icons or anything). The
computer appears to function correctly like this anyway.

How do I know this? You can take the SIMM out and put it in an
LC III to give it 768k VRAM (it won't accept more than 256k
extra).

Anyone in the UK interested in some free LC II parts? I've got
most of one for free for collection from Essex or Kent - or send
me postage and I'll post it. I've also got a free smoke-damaged
(its nearly black :) ) fully working one w/mouse+keyboard if
anyone could put it to good use. 

HTH,

Josh

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