Re: Network Card for IIci

[THE ROCK]

John Niven wrote:

> On Tuesday, November 25, 2003, at 08:04  AM, Franz wrote:
>
> > Can anyone suggest what would be the best network card to use within a
> > IIci.
> >
> > Franz in Montreal
> >
> Franz,
>
> I've had good experience with Asante NuBus.

I have one in my Mac IIci. No problems. Been in there for over 10 yrs now.
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Re: Network Card for IIci

[John Niven]

On Tuesday, November 25, 2003, at 08:04  AM, Franz wrote:

Can anyone suggest what would be the best network card to use within a 
IIci.

Franz in Montreal

Franz,

I've had good experience with Asante NuBus and PDS NIC's on old Macs. 
Asante are to be praised for keeping a comprehensive driver and manuals 
datatbase.

This may have also been helped by having an Asante hub as well, though 
I have used the same to connect into work networks with no problem.

I also have a Reudo NuBus NIC (currently in a IIci) which is nice 
because it uses the Apple drivers.

John

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Network Card for IIci

[Franz]

Can anyone suggest what would be the best network card to use within a IIci.

Franz in Montreal


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Re: Part ID

[Clark Martin]

At 7:47 AM -0600 11/25/03, R. A. Cantrell wrote:
Classic Maccers,
I have  a few old parts I'm trying to sort out. One
is a right angle adapter that *seems* to plug into an LCPDS slot and
accommodate a NuBus card. It has an ancient Nic with AUI and BNC connectors
in it  now. Question (s): What machines is this made for? And is the rt.
angle  adapter rare or  desirable enough to bother  with, or  just a piece
for  the  heap?


Sounds like the NuBus adapter for a IIsi.  This machine could take 
either IIsi/SE30 PDS cards or through this adapter, a single NuBus 
card.
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Re: 8.1 to OS X AppleTalk

[Clark Martin]

At 7:48 AM + 11/25/03, Mark Benson wrote:
On Nov 25, 2003, at 01:04 am, Clark Martin wrote:

At 8:09 AM + 11/24/03, Mark Benson wrote:
On Nov 23, 2003, at 11:50 pm, Marten van de Kraats wrote:

And there-in lies the problem. Routers and Bridges are protocol 
level dependent and thus will not accept anything they are not set 
up to pass. TCP/IP routers that don't support AppleTalk will 
reject signals that are not routable, and may even just throw a 
panic fit (are these cheap routers or expensive ones?) Switches 
and Hubs however are packet level dependent and thus pass any 
packet that is designated to pass packets from one MAC address to 
another, regardless of what it contains.
Actually Hubs (originally known as repeaters) simply pass bits 
around and don't terribly much care if they are even Ethernet 
(oversimplification).  Switches actually receive, hold and resend 
Ethernet packets but don't care about what is in them (if they do 
then they are kind of moving out of the definition of "Switch"). 
The problem often comes in the way marketing types tend to use 
"hub" for "switch" or the term "switching Hub".  Also so called 
dual speed hubs muck it up more.
Yeh I remember this. Hubs take in packets and simply fire them at 
every machine on the network. Switches do it by MAC address. Hubs 
make a wet fish of multi-speed because quite often they confuse 
older 10Mbps NICs by firing 10Mbps and 100Mbps frequency packet 
signals at them which makes em go all wilty and shy, or something 
like that!
Hubs simply re-transmit the data literally bit by bit, they don't 
deal in packets.  Switches receive a packet look at the destined MAC 
address and only send it out on the port they know is attached to 
that MAC address.  If they don't know the port or if it's a broadcast 
address they send it back out to all the other ports.

Early 10/100 hardware has trouble  with speed negotiation as the 
standards for negotiation weren't fully established at the time they 
were designed.  Dual speed hubs tend to have this problem as they 
were some of the first 10/100 capable equipment and they quickly got 
superceded by switches.

Dual speed hubs seem to come in two flavors.  The first switch all 
ports 10 or to 100BaseT depending on some criteria.  I'm not even 
sure why such a beast ever got built.  The second type switch 
individual ports to the appropriate speed of the attached device. 
All 10BaseT devices are connected to a 10BaseT hub which is linked 
through a 10BaseT to 100BaseT converter (basically a 2 port switch). 
All the 100BaseT devices are connected through a hub to the 100BaseT 
port of this switch. This means that all the 10BaseT devices share a 
single 10BaseT pipe to the faster network.  This is why 10/100 
switches quickly supplanted them.  In a switch each 10BaseT port gets 
a full 10MBps connection to any other port, 10 or 100 speed).
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Part ID

[R. A. Cantrell]

Classic Maccers,
I have  a few old parts I'm trying to sort out. One
is a right angle adapter that *seems* to plug into an LCPDS slot and
accommodate a NuBus card. It has an ancient Nic with AUI and BNC connectors
in it  now. Question (s): What machines is this made for? And is the rt.
angle  adapter rare or  desirable enough to bother  with, or  just a piece
for  the  heap?
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R.A. Cantrell

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Re: 8.1 to OS X AppleTalk

[Mark Benson]

On Nov 25, 2003, at 01:04 am, Clark Martin wrote:

At 8:09 AM + 11/24/03, Mark Benson wrote:
On Nov 23, 2003, at 11:50 pm, Marten van de Kraats wrote:

And there-in lies the problem. Routers and Bridges are protocol level 
dependent and thus will not accept anything they are not set up to 
pass. TCP/IP routers that don't support AppleTalk will reject signals 
that are not routable, and may even just throw a panic fit (are these 
cheap routers or expensive ones?) Switches and Hubs however are 
packet level dependent and thus pass any packet that is designated to 
pass packets from one MAC address to another, regardless of what it 
contains.
Actually Hubs (originally known as repeaters) simply pass bits around 
and don't terribly much care if they are even Ethernet 
(oversimplification).  Switches actually receive, hold and resend 
Ethernet packets but don't care about what is in them (if they do then 
they are kind of moving out of the definition of "Switch").  The 
problem often comes in the way marketing types tend to use "hub" for 
"switch" or the term "switching Hub".  Also so called dual speed hubs 
muck it up more.
Yeh I remember this. Hubs take in packets and simply fire them at every 
machine on the network. Switches do it by MAC address. Hubs make a wet 
fish of multi-speed because quite often they confuse older 10Mbps NICs 
by firing 10Mbps and 100Mbps frequency packet signals at them which 
makes em go all wilty and shy, or something like that!

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