Re: Searching for 190cs ethernet card

[Clark Martin]

At 12:07 AM -0700 4/19/04, Gregg Eshelman wrote:
--- "Byron Q. Desnoyers Winmill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
 On Sun, Apr 18, 2004 at 11:02:48AM -0400, Roland
 Drake wrote:
 > I am searching for an ethernet card for a
 Powerbook 190cs.
 I noticed this model takes PCMCIA cards.  Which
 manufacturers
 supported 68040 PowerBooks?  If companies like 3com
 provided support,
 you may be able to find these cards at an elecronics
 surplus store
 downtown.  You can also try Mac dealers in case they
 have old stock
 which they couldn't sell (the U of T bookstore had
 some older Mac
 hardware in stock the last time I looked).


I use a Kingston Ethernet card on my PB5300 so it might well work on 
a PB190.  Let me know if you need the part number and I'll look it up.

One thing for certain, a CardBus card won't work.
You need one that meets the 16 bit PC Card spec.
Don't hold out much hope of finding a 10/100 PC Card
that'll work in a 68k Powerbook. 10 megabit is
what you'll likely find. (Even though there are
16 bit 10/100 PC Card NICs for PC laptops.)


That's what I thought but someone on one of these lists pointed me to 
the MacAlly 10/100 card.  It is 16 bits.  I don't know about 68K 
compatibility.
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Re: ScuzzyGraph Anyone?

[Clark Martin]

At 11:30 PM -0400 4/19/04, Byron Q. Desnoyers Winmill wrote:
On Mon, Apr 19, 2004 at 07:51:20PM -0500, Derek R. Morton wrote:
 A mint condition ScuzzyGraph!  Amazingly rare...  which the BuyItNow 
 prices attests to.  Not my personal cup of tea as I am more into the 
 Quadra series, but still!  I believe (my memory does get foggy as the 
 years pass) the graphics are somewhat primitive in that there is only 
 one bit per color (8 total colors including black, white, primary and 
 secondary), but you do get color out of your Plus.
On a slight tangent: while the 8 colours may also be a limitation
of the adapter, it is also a limitation of QuickDraw.  I seem to
recall reading that the non-Colour QuickDraw could support 8 colours,
a feature which was supposed to be used for colour printers.


Quite true.  QuickDraw (predecessor of Color QuickDraw) could support 
8 colors (Black, White, Red, Green, Blue, Cyan, Magenta and Yellow, 
IIRC).  It was built into QuickDraw and you could draw colors to the 
MacPlus screen except of course every color but white shows up as 
black.  While you couldn't see the colors on screen you could print 
using an ImageWriter II with color cartridge and print these colors.

With the introduction of the Mac II and ColorQuickDraw it was real 
neat to see a supposedly black and white program from the MacPlus 
vintage displaying colors on screen.  A few programs were written to 
use the 8 colors.

When it came out it was a real show stopper but I don't think it sold 
well.  Aside from the cost there was the issue of finding software 
that could use it.  There were few programs that could.

It was something like all the conversions to either add a SCSI port, 
serial HD or an internal HD to 512K Macs.  They were neat but 
expensive and the drive had to be partitioned into lots of 400K 
"floppies.
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Re: ScuzzyGraph Anyone?

[Byron Q. Desnoyers Winmill]

On Mon, Apr 19, 2004 at 07:51:20PM -0500, Derek R. Morton wrote:
> A mint condition ScuzzyGraph!  Amazingly rare...  which the BuyItNow  
> prices attests to.  Not my personal cup of tea as I am more into the  
> Quadra series, but still!  I believe (my memory does get foggy as the  
> years pass) the graphics are somewhat primitive in that there is only  
> one bit per color (8 total colors including black, white, primary and  
> secondary), but you do get color out of your Plus.

On a slight tangent: while the 8 colours may also be a limitation
of the adapter, it is also a limitation of QuickDraw.  I seem to
recall reading that the non-Colour QuickDraw could support 8 colours,
a feature which was supposed to be used for colour printers.

Byron.

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Re: ScuzzyGraph Anyone?

[J.S. Garrison]

on 4/19/04 5:51 PM, Derek R. Morton at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> In my nightly search of eBay I came across this beauty:
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
> ViewItem&category=4610&item=4125514187&rd=1
> 
> A mint condition ScuzzyGraph!  Amazingly rare...  which the BuyItNow
> prices attests to.  Not my personal cup of tea as I am more into the
> Quadra series, but still!  I believe (my memory does get foggy as the
> years pass) the graphics are somewhat primitive in that there is only
> one bit per color (8 total colors including black, white, primary and
> secondary), but you do get color out of your Plus.
> 
> Derek
> 


Sweet. Looks perfect. That's quite a find for some collector.


Jeff G


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ScuzzyGraph Anyone?

[Derek R . Morton]

In my nightly search of eBay I came across this beauty:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? 
ViewItem&category=4610&item=4125514187&rd=1

A mint condition ScuzzyGraph!  Amazingly rare...  which the BuyItNow  
prices attests to.  Not my personal cup of tea as I am more into the  
Quadra series, but still!  I believe (my memory does get foggy as the  
years pass) the graphics are somewhat primitive in that there is only  
one bit per color (8 total colors including black, white, primary and  
secondary), but you do get color out of your Plus.

Derek

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Re: Searching for 190cs ethernet card

[Desert Fox]

Roland,

I have a Dayna 10bT PCMCIA card that used to be in a PowerBook 190cs. It is
lying around on my desk. I don't even know how much to ask. The shipping
will probably be more than what it is worth, no?

I'll try to get the floppy discs that have the drivers together. I know the
card and dongle are sitting upstairs. For some reason, I recall that there
were drivers that were more recent on the web somewhere but they don't do
you much good until you have it installed and functioning in your system.


Paul/.

on 4/18/04 9:02, Roland Drake at [EMAIL PROTECTED] scribbled:

> Dear Vintage Macs:
> 
> I am searching for an ethernet card for a Powerbook 190cs.
> 
> Someone responded to me privately a few days ago. I, in turn, replied. Thus
> far, I have not heard anything from that person. So I am back posting this
> message again.
> 
> If anyone has any leads about where I might purchase such a card, it would
> be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Roland :)
> 
> P.S. I live in Toronto, Canada.
> 
> 


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Re: Searching for 190cs ethernet card

[Gregg Eshelman]

--- "Byron Q. Desnoyers Winmill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 18, 2004 at 11:02:48AM -0400, Roland
> Drake wrote:
> > I am searching for an ethernet card for a
> Powerbook 190cs.
> 
> I noticed this model takes PCMCIA cards.  Which
> manufacturers
> supported 68040 PowerBooks?  If companies like 3com
> provided support,
> you may be able to find these cards at an elecronics
> surplus store
> downtown.  You can also try Mac dealers in case they
> have old stock
> which they couldn't sell (the U of T bookstore had
> some older Mac
> hardware in stock the last time I looked).

One thing for certain, a CardBus card won't work.
You need one that meets the 16 bit PC Card spec.
Don't hold out much hope of finding a 10/100 PC Card
that'll work in a 68k Powerbook. 10 megabit is
what you'll likely find. (Even though there are
16 bit 10/100 PC Card NICs for PC laptops.)

=
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