Re: Oh my....... Intel CPU's???
On Jun 5, 2005, at 10:36 PM, Kyle DePasquale wrote: Wouldn't such a major architecture change cause most of the programs currently written for mac to not function at all? If that's the case, then switching to an x86 architecture *could* ruin apple. My guess is that they're not changing architectures, but that they're just going to have intel produce PPC chips, or something that is fairly compatible. Here's the most plausible possibility I've read so far. http://www.wired.com/news/mac/0,2125,67749,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_1 Still, it causes us some consternation. I guess we'll find out tomorrow. I think they just are in talks because of they want to use the chips for some mobile gadget, not mainstream mac lines. -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Oh my....... Intel CPU's???
On 6/6/05, Marco van de Voort [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think they just are in talks because of they want to use the chips for some mobile gadget, not mainstream mac lines. On 6/6/05, Kyle DePasquale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wouldn't such a major architecture change cause most of the programs currently written for mac to not function at all? If that's the case, then switching to an x86 architecture *could* ruin apple. My guess is that they're not changing architectures, but that they're just going to have intel produce PPC chips, or something that is fairly compatible. Well, nope. It's happened. See macworld.com or macnn.com or slashdot.org or macslash.org for details. The Mac is switching to Intel. I am amazed. It's the end of an era. Every major computing platform in the world will run on the same architecture. And it's the oldest and arguably the worst. CISC has won. One ISA to rule them all, one ISA to find them; one ISA to bring them all and in the darkness bind them. -- Liam Proven Home: http://welcome.to/liamsweb * Blog: http://lproven.livejournal.com AOL, Yahoo UK: liamproven * ICQ: 73187508 * MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Oh my....... Intel CPU's???
might that not increase the value of vintage Macs - the only ones left that can run with the software or has an extinction event occured from which the fallout may take time to see but long in effect? where are the young, enterprizing ones setting out to take advantage of the price drops in the chips made by the other guys who will eagerly seek a new consumer? will they launch a line of cherries? or sour grapes? or maybe pomegranetes? where are those knowledgeable experienced one who were discarded by Apple? are they organizing to launch a line that will skyrocket to success on the fuel of Apple's errors? - Original Message - From: Liam Proven [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Vintage Macs vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 1:31 PM Subject: Re: Oh my... Intel CPU's??? On 6/6/05, Marco van de Voort [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think they just are in talks because of they want to use the chips for some mobile gadget, not mainstream mac lines. On 6/6/05, Kyle DePasquale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wouldn't such a major architecture change cause most of the programs currently written for mac to not function at all? If that's the case, then switching to an x86 architecture *could* ruin apple. My guess is that they're not changing architectures, but that they're just going to have intel produce PPC chips, or something that is fairly compatible. Well, nope. It's happened. See macworld.com or macnn.com or slashdot.org or macslash.org for details. The Mac is switching to Intel. I am amazed. It's the end of an era. Every major computing platform in the world will run on the same architecture. And it's the oldest and arguably the worst. CISC has won. One ISA to rule them all, one ISA to find them; one ISA to bring them all and in the darkness bind them. -- Liam Proven Home: http://welcome.to/liamsweb * Blog: http://lproven.livejournal.com AOL, Yahoo UK: liamproven * ICQ: 73187508 * MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Oh my....... Intel CPU's???
--- Liam Proven [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am amazed. It's the end of an era. Every major computing platform in the world will run on the same architecture. And it's the oldest and arguably the worst. CISC has won. One ISA to rule them all, one ISA to find them; one ISA to bring them all and in the darkness bind them. -- Liam Proven I can't believe so much is being made here of what amounts to an unsubstantiated rumor. At the outset, to change to Intel chips would indeed remove the thing that makes a Mac a Mac. And in doing so would kill Mac's following once and for all. Perhaps the REAL purpose for the starting of said rumor? Jeff G Facere Compositio Ex Congeries __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Oh my....... Intel CPU's???
At 7:47 PM -0700 6/6/05, J.S. Garrison wrote: I can't believe so much is being made here of what amounts to an unsubstantiated rumor. It's pretty $##!@^ substantiated. Steve Jobs said so at WWDC today. At the outset, to change to Intel chips would indeed remove the thing that makes a Mac a Mac. And in doing so would kill Mac's following once and for all. Perhaps the REAL purpose for the starting of said rumor? Jeff G Facere Compositio Ex Congeries __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com -- Allan Hunter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~ahunter -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Oh my....... Intel CPU's???
--- Allan Hunter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 7:47 PM -0700 6/6/05, J.S. Garrison wrote: I can't believe so much is being made here of what amounts to an unsubstantiated rumor. It's pretty $##!@^ substantiated. Steve Jobs said so at WWDC today. ~~~ Welp. You'll not see me buying a new Mac at anytime ever. Start planning the funeral. Jeff G Facere Compositio Ex Congeries __ Discover Yahoo! Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Oh my....... Intel CPU's???
The rumor was started by Steve Job's announcement, and, as I understand it, has to do with the fact that Intel is leading the industry in low power cpu's, allowing maximum time between charges on laptop computers, which are the industry's biggest sellers right now. With the best operating system and a competitive time between charges (TBC -- okay, I made that abbreviation up), Apple can continue to compete; otherwise, it becomes the left behind. NPR had an in depth discussion of the subject tonight on All Things Considered. David - Original Message - From: J.S. Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Vintage Macs vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 7:47 PM Subject: Re: Oh my... Intel CPU's??? --- Liam Proven [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am amazed. It's the end of an era. Every major computing platform in the world will run on the same architecture. And it's the oldest and arguably the worst. CISC has won. One ISA to rule them all, one ISA to find them; one ISA to bring them all and in the darkness bind them. -- Liam Proven I can't believe so much is being made here of what amounts to an unsubstantiated rumor. At the outset, to change to Intel chips would indeed remove the thing that makes a Mac a Mac. And in doing so would kill Mac's following once and for all. Perhaps the REAL purpose for the starting of said rumor? Jeff G Facere Compositio Ex Congeries __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Oh my....... Intel CPU's???
On 6/7/05, Jennifer Worgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: might that not increase the value of vintage Macs - the only ones left that can run with the software Good question, especially considering this list's title. It might do but mainly I expect little effect. As far as new machines go, it will lose Apple some sales (from deserting PowerPC loyalists - but I don't know where they'll go) and it will gain some (from ignorant buyers who see a standard chip or just more GHz). Overall, will it succeed? Don't know. Biug gamble, though. Biggest I've ever seen, I think. or has an extinction event occured from which the fallout may take time to see but long in effect? Might be. Ask me again in 3-4yr! :¬) where are the young, enterprizing ones setting out to take advantage of the price drops in the chips made by the other guys who will eagerly seek a new consumer? will they launch a line of cherries? or sour grapes? or maybe pomegranetes? where are those knowledgeable experienced one who were discarded by Apple? are they organizing to launch a line that will skyrocket to success on the fuel of Apple's errors? No idea at all. I fear for anyone else using PowerPC, though - I think they're doomed now. Pegasos, AmigaOne, Tera - and maybe, longterm, IBM itself. -- Liam Proven Home: http://welcome.to/liamsweb * Blog: http://lproven.livejournal.com AOL, Yahoo UK: liamproven * ICQ: 73187508 * MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Oh my....... Intel CPU's???
So, is Intel just going to manufacture the chips, or will they have an active part in developing their architecture? Sounds like you're already planning Apple's funeral. I think the only way that Apple will die out, is if everyone jumps ship when they make the conversion to Intel chips. Although, looking at some of the messages in this thread, that very well could happen. Oh, well. I think pretty much everyone will be running some flavor of Linux in 5-10 years, regardless of the CPU they're running it on. On 6/6/05, dr7zyq [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The rumor was started by Steve Job's announcement, and, as I understand it, has to do with the fact that Intel is leading the industry in low power cpu's, allowing maximum time between charges on laptop computers, which are the industry's biggest sellers right now. With the best operating system and a competitive time between charges (TBC -- okay, I made that abbreviation up), Apple can continue to compete; otherwise, it becomes the left behind. NPR had an in depth discussion of the subject tonight on All Things Considered. David - Original Message - From: J.S. Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Vintage Macs vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 7:47 PM Subject: Re: Oh my... Intel CPU's??? --- Liam Proven [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am amazed. It's the end of an era. Every major computing platform in the world will run on the same architecture. And it's the oldest and arguably the worst. CISC has won. One ISA to rule them all, one ISA to find them; one ISA to bring them all and in the darkness bind them. -- Liam Proven I can't believe so much is being made here of what amounts to an unsubstantiated rumor. At the outset, to change to Intel chips would indeed remove the thing that makes a Mac a Mac. And in doing so would kill Mac's following once and for all. Perhaps the REAL purpose for the starting of said rumor? Jeff G Facere Compositio Ex Congeries __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
