External SCSI drive

2004-05-28 Thread Doug Anderson
I picked up an old Apple 40SC external hard drive.  The previous owner 
has replaced the drive with a 1GB drive.

When I connect this unit to my SE/30, the SE/30 will not boot from its 
own internal HD, I get the flashing system disk with ? symbol in it.  
If I disconnect the drive and restart, it works fine.  With the 
computer up and running, if I connect the external drive to the SE/30, 
the SE/30 will lock up.  If I unplug the drive the SE/30 becomes 
responsive again.

I then tried the drive with my 540c Powerbook and I get the exact same 
symptoms.

My final test is with my quirky 5300cs Powerbook.  With it, the PB 
booted and the Hard Disk Tools could see the drive and reported the 
size and make of the drive correctly.  However, I received all kinds of 
OSErr's when I tried to initialize the drive.  Now my 5300cs is back on 
the fritz and I'm unable to use it right now.

I'm new to SCSI so I'm not sure what the problem could be.  I'm using 
an active terminator on the drive and I set it to ID 1, then I tried 3, 
then I tried 6.  All three with the same problem.  I've also tried 
different SCSI HD's in the box, all power up, but cause erratic 
behavior on whatever Mac its connected to.  Some of the HD's I have 
I've been unable to find any info on jumper settings.  On two drives I 
have, both Quantums, I found a website listing the jumper settings.  My 
understanding is the internal HD's on Macs are SCSI ID 0.  So I set 
both drives up to be SCSI ID 1.

Any ideas?
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Re: External CD-ROM drive with vintage Macs

2004-05-12 Thread Doug Anderson
Well, it turns out the problem was no driver.  As you suggested, I 
copied the driver from another Mac and on reboot the CD popped up on 
the desktop and worked just fine.  I even put it on a boot floppy and 
the drive works booting from the floppy too.

Thanks

On May 11, 2004, at 3:47 AM, Daniel Kendell wrote:

You might want to check in the Extensions folder in your system 
folder and make sure the Apple CDROM extension is there. If it isn't 
then thats why you don't get any CD icon,  just copy it from your 
PowerBook system folder.

If it is there then its something else.

Yes you can use a CD-ROM drive with 7.0.1.

Dan

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Re: External CD-ROM drive with vintage Macs

2004-05-10 Thread Doug Anderson
On May 10, 2004, at 9:02 PM, Ken wrote:

In addition to making sure that all SCSI devices have different IDs,
make sure that you have a terminator in the external drive.
Ken


All my tests were done with both an active terminator and a passive 
passthrough terminator on the drive.  For kicks I had also tried it 
without any terminator.  All with the same results.

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Re: External CD-ROM drive with vintage Macs

2004-05-10 Thread Doug Anderson
On May 10, 2004, at 7:30 PM, Michael Hackett wrote:

This suggests that you might be missing the Apple CD driver on the 
other
systems. But did the drive work on the 7300 (which probably already has
the driver installed, if it has an internal CD drive)?

I found a link to an Apple CD driver for System 7.5, however I've yet 
to find one for System 7.0.1 (and 6.0.8 for that matter).  I have a 
couple of compact Macs running 6.0.8 and 7.0.1.  I've checked the Apple 
old software downloads section and didn't find anything.  Is it even 
possible to use a CD-ROM drive with Macs running 7.0.1 and earlier?

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External CD-ROM drive with vintage Macs

2004-05-10 Thread Doug Anderson
I've got an Apple 300e CD-ROM drive.  I've got two cables, the standard 
DB25 to C50 and the special Powerbook connector to C50.  With the PB 
cable the drive works with my 5300cs just fine.  I put CD's in the 
drive and the CD pops p on the desktop and I can copy files from the CD 
to the PB and/or run them from CD.  The 5300 is running MacOS 8.1.  So 
I know the CD-ROM drive itself is in working order.

However, when I then connect the CD-ROM drive to a Mac SE/30 running 
7.5.5 using the DB25 to C50 cable no CD pops up on the desktop.  I then 
tried the drive with a regular SE and then on a Classic.  The SE and 
Classic were running 7.0.1 and neither indicated they were seeing the 
CD.

I then began to suspect the cable, so I plugged the drive intoa Power 
Mac 7300.  Doing so causes the computer to lockup after it gets to the 
desktop.  On the compact Macs and the Powerbook I had the drive setup 
as device #3.  Since the PM already has an internal SCSI CD on #3, I 
set the 300e to #5.

I've never used external SCSI devices before.  Is my hunch that the 
cable is bad correct, or am I missing a config or compatibility issue?

Since the cables are relatively cheap I ordered another one online so I 
can test my hunch.

Oh, almost forgot, I have an active SCSI terminator plugged into the 
300e's other SCSI port (top one).

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