Re: LCIII

[Eric & Amy]

Ok
I have set the termination for this drive on and enabled the power from the
drive to the terminators. jumper on 15/16 and 3/4
I powered up the LC and get a sick MAC code of

00F
003

I also tried Seagate's recommendation of setting the power termination "from
the bus" and get the same error.
If I turn off the terminators the machine boots, but HD Setup (patched)
doesn't "see" the drive.

Eric



- Original Message - 
From: "Clark Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Vintage Macs" 
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 10:51 AM
Subject: Re: LCIII


> At 7:34 AM -0400 10/11/05, Eric & Amy wrote:
> >So this patched version of HD Setup is the only thing that will see this
> >drive?
>
> Not the only thing but it's probably the easiest tool for the job.
> I've preferred it because it loads a standard Apple disk driver on
> the drive.  I've had problems with some of the third party drivers.
>
> >
> >Eric
> >- Original Message -
> >From: "John Niven" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: "Vintage Macs" 
> >Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 2:02 AM
> >Subject: Re: LCIII
> >
> >
> >>  I haven't followed all of this thread but looking at the info on the
> >>  ST31230N I would say that you need a jumper on j2 pin 15/16 to enable
> >>  the terminators, and also pin 3/4 to enable term power from the drive.
> >>
> >>  The big question is what to do with "PE" the parity option. Parity
> >>  needs to be turned off which in my experience usually means adding a
> >>  jumper to disable it. But that's not clear in the documents. So I'd
try
> >>  it both ways, but I'd expect it to be jumpered.
> >>
> >>  The other big point is  so this is NOT an Apple-rommed drive? If
> >>  not them you will not get the standard Apple hard disk s/w to
intialize
> >>  the drive. You'll need the "patched" version from Gambas web site
> >>
> >  > http://home.earthlink.net/~gamba2/hd.html
> >
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Re: LCIII

[Eric & Amy]

So this patched version of HD Setup is the only thing that will see this
drive?

Eric
- Original Message - 
From: "John Niven" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Vintage Macs" 
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 2:02 AM
Subject: Re: LCIII


> I haven't followed all of this thread but looking at the info on the
> ST31230N I would say that you need a jumper on j2 pin 15/16 to enable
> the terminators, and also pin 3/4 to enable term power from the drive.
>
> The big question is what to do with "PE" the parity option. Parity
> needs to be turned off which in my experience usually means adding a
> jumper to disable it. But that's not clear in the documents. So I'd try
> it both ways, but I'd expect it to be jumpered.
>
> The other big point is  so this is NOT an Apple-rommed drive? If
> not them you will not get the standard Apple hard disk s/w to intialize
> the drive. You'll need the "patched" version from Gambas web site
>
> http://home.earthlink.net/~gamba2/hd.html
>
> Cheers,
> John
>
>
> On Oct 5, 2005, at 7:23 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > Did tyr booting w/o extentions but get the same "bus error".
> > There are some extra settings on the HD i am unsure off.
> >
> > for example:
> > A set of jumpers for terminaton power.
> >
> > TP TP
> > Off Off-No terminator power is connected to drive terminators
> > or SCSI bus I/O pin 26.
> > On Off-Drive supplies its own terminator power only. Jumper
> >on this position is factory default for "N" models only.
> > Off On-Drive supplies power to I/O pin 26 of SCSI bus;
> >none to internal terminators. When drives have
> >differential I/O circuits, a jumper on the right TP
> >position may be needed to power external terminators
> > On On-Drive supplies terminator power to itself (internal
> >   connection) and to I/O pin 26 of SCSI bus. This is
> >   a legal jumper setting.
>
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Re: newbie

[Eric & Amy]

I took a good image that I have used in basilisk and vmac and "wrote" it to
the drive using a disk utility.
Something must have been lost in the translation.

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From: "Allan Hunter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Vintage Macs" 
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 2:28 PM
Subject: Re: newbie


> What do you mean when you say it "has a image on it w/ system 7.3 or
> something like that"?
>
> What, literally, is on the external drive?  Does it have the
> diskimage copied to it?  (that won't work).  Or did you (or someone
> else) take the diskimage and install it to the hard drive? (that
> should work).
>
> The SCSI chain may not be terminated properly with the internal drive
> totally unplugged.  Try plugging the ribbon cable back into the
> internal HD, but not the power cord.  That should terminate the chain
> but the internal drive won't actually spin up and cause problems.
>
>
>
> At 1:33 PM -0400 5/5/05, Eric & Amy wrote:
> >Ok i have my external SCSI drive formatted and it has a image on it w/
> >system 7.3 or something like that.
> >I disconnected the bad internal one and fired it up.
> >but instead of the blinking disk w/ the question mark on it,
> >now i get nothing.
> >
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Re: newbie

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Ok i have my external SCSI drive formatted and it has a image on it w/
system 7.3 or something like that.
I disconnected the bad internal one and fired it up.
but instead of the blinking disk w/ the question mark on it,
now i get nothing.



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Re: newbie

[Eric & Amy]

Is there any way to prepare the drive under windows to boot up the LCIII.


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Re: newbie

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Where does one find floppies of System 7.1?

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Re: newbie

[Eric & Amy]

Is there anything I have to do to get the system to recognize the external
one?

Eric
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From: "Allan Hunter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Vintage Macs" 
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: newbie


> You can boot from an external SCSI drive.  Might have to unplug the
> messed-up internal one, if it's hanging the system.
>
>
>
> At 1:52 PM -0400 4/26/05, Eric & Amy wrote:
> >I found a external SCSI drive, 40MB at a thrift shop that runs.
> >Could this work instead, or do i need the internal one install first?
> >
> >Eric
> >- Original Message -
> >From: "Mark Benson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: "Vintage Macs" 
> >Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 7:52 AM
> >Subject: Re: newbie
> >
> >
> >>
> >>  On Tuesday, April 26, 2005, at 12:42PM, Eric & Amy
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >>  >Hello
> >>  >I am new to your world of older MAC's.
> >>  >My daughter recieved a LCIII from her grandmother who is a teacher.
> >>  >Her school upgraded to wintel machines and parted ways with thier
MAC's.
> >>  >This particular machine is in need of a hard drive replacement
though,
> >and I
> >>  >am at a loss on which drives would work.
> >>  >Any ideas?
> >>
> >>  Any 50-pin Narrow SCSI hard drive will drop straight in. SCSI
sometimes
> >requires a bit of Voodoo trickery to get working, but as long as the ID
is
> >not set to '7' (usually they are set to '0' on single drive Macs) and the
> >drive is terminated (usually a jumper or a pair of resistor packs) then
it
> >will work OK provided the drive itself is working.
> >>
> >>  The LCIII is a fairly robust machine generally speaking, if not the
> >fastest on the planet. I would recommend you try and acquire a copy of
> >System 7.1 on floppy disk as well as appropriate age copies of Claris
Works
> >(1.0 to 3.0 should run fine) or similar and it'll do great as a
typewriter.
> >>
> >>  --
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> >>
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Re: newbie

[Eric & Amy]

Lol yeah considering they went w/ Gateway machines.

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Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 4:54 PM
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> I wouldn't call that an upgrade ;-)
>
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Re: newbie

[Eric & Amy]

I found a external SCSI drive, 40MB at a thrift shop that runs.
Could this work instead, or do i need the internal one install first?

Eric
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To: "Vintage Macs" 
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 7:52 AM
Subject: Re: newbie


>
> On Tuesday, April 26, 2005, at 12:42PM, Eric & Amy
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Hello
> >I am new to your world of older MAC's.
> >My daughter recieved a LCIII from her grandmother who is a teacher.
> >Her school upgraded to wintel machines and parted ways with thier MAC's.
> >This particular machine is in need of a hard drive replacement though,
and I
> >am at a loss on which drives would work.
> >Any ideas?
>
> Any 50-pin Narrow SCSI hard drive will drop straight in. SCSI sometimes
requires a bit of Voodoo trickery to get working, but as long as the ID is
not set to '7' (usually they are set to '0' on single drive Macs) and the
drive is terminated (usually a jumper or a pair of resistor packs) then it
will work OK provided the drive itself is working.
>
> The LCIII is a fairly robust machine generally speaking, if not the
fastest on the planet. I would recommend you try and acquire a copy of
System 7.1 on floppy disk as well as appropriate age copies of Claris Works
(1.0 to 3.0 should run fine) or similar and it'll do great as a typewriter.
>
> -- 
> Mark Benson
>
> http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson
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newbie

[Eric & Amy]

Hello
I am new to your world of older MAC's.
My daughter recieved a LCIII from her grandmother who is a teacher.
Her school upgraded to wintel machines and parted ways with thier MAC's.
This particular machine is in need of a hard drive replacement though, and I
am at a loss on which drives would work.
Any ideas?

Eric, ohio


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