List Netiquette

[Randy Beaudreault]

With the recent splurge of activity on this list, I would like to 
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I prefer to not have a bunch of wasted space on my daily digests, as 
has happened over the past 3-4 days.  Please trim your posts!!!



P. S.  What generates the =20 characters at the end of some of the 
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Re: IIci SIMMS

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 >> I was wondering if anyone had 8 16MB RAM Chips for the IIci that
 they'd be willing to part with.

 me to!
Me three! :D
Try these out: 
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Re: Prograph

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I have to thank Bob and Bryan for their help.  I have the IDE, 
support classes, docs, and other miscellaneous stuff for Prograph 
Classic due to them.
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Re: Prograph

[Randy Beaudreault]

I don't know for sure if this is what you're looking for, but I did 
an FTP filesearch and turned up this address:

66.209.99.215/demos/ProGraph.sit

I hope it helps!

Denni
Thanks, but that's for Prograph CPX.
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Prograph Classic

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Anybody have a copy of the Prograph Classic (v 2.6) IDE?  Pictorius 
released this to the public back in '95 and I had a copy of it.  I 
loved it so much that I actually paid for the compiler.  ($25 in 
'96.)  In rearranging my computers, I erased the hard drive 
containing Prograph IDE and erased the clone of the drive as well.  I 
did save the compiler to a floppy though, so I have that.  I can't 
develop any programs with Prograph since I don't have the IDE (which 
is also an interpreter).

On a related note, does anyone know if Pictorius is still in business?
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Re: vintage macs in movies

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>We have an on-going discussion here and hope that someone out there 
>can help us solve a couple of arguments.  1) What computer is 
>Matthew Broderick using at home when he hacks into the NORAD? 
>computer.  2) What computer is sitting on the desk at the NORAD 
>office when he tries to stop Joshua?
>3) What computer is Zero Cool using when he checks out 
>Acid Burn's "new" computer in the movie Hackers?  We are trying to 
>set up a vintage mac trivia to put on my web page and need some 
>serious help!  Thanks for whatever help you can provide.
>
>Check out the apple orchard @
>www.appleorchard.homestead.com

And this to your trivia pile: In Point Of No Return (so-so remake of 
La Femme Nikita), Nikita blows up a baddie's computer which happens 
to be a IIci or IIcx.
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Re: 7100cx pictures

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>Nope.  Every PSU from the IIcx through to the 7100 was the exact same part
>number.  Apple used at least two different vendors (Delta and Astec, IIRC) but
>the spec was the same.

At least three, I have a IIci with a GE PSU.
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Re: Filesharing sys 7.1 to OS 10.2

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>If anyone is using 7.1 to successfully connect to an OSX machine, please let
>me know what software you are using.

I've done that with my NetBSD firewall/router/DNS server since I have 
a small, 6MB, Mac partition on it to boot the IIci.  I have 7.1 
installed on it.  I connect to my OS X G4 to get files I've d/l'd to 
my G4 for use by the IIci (mainly install kernels) and other things 
like utilities I can use on it.
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ImageWriter II Printing was Re: older macs with newerprinters--different question

[Randy Beaudreault]

>  >I had my ImageWriter II show up on my OS X G4 via Netatalk print
>>services but I've since trashed that config file since I didn't want
>>my IIci processing PS for that thing.
>>--
>
>I can understand that, but this means that it is possible. Which is
>great news. I suppose the gimp print stuff has a imagewriter II
>driver, because otherwise you could not have done this.
>How long took it to get something printed this way?

I never completed the installation since I don't know exactly how to 
setup up CUPS, Ghostscript, and/or Gimp-print to allow RIPing for the 
ImageWriter II.  I did see it in the Print Center on X.1 but never 
did print this way.  Once I figure out how to do this, I'm gonna try 
it.  I'll keep everyone posted on this.
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Re: older macs with newer printers--different question

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>  > My current problem is that I've not set up a UNIX machine to serve
>>  Appletalk in years.  I got a NetBSD 1.6 system running with Appletalk in
>>  the kernel, and just installed the Netatalk package.
>>  Currently I'm lost in the configuration details.
>
>I haven't configured my NetBSD IIci for AppleTalk print services but AFP was
>pretty simple to set up.

I had my ImageWriter II show up on my OS X G4 via Netatalk print 
services but I've since trashed that config file since I didn't want 
my IIci processing PS for that thing.
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Re: older macs with newer printers--different question

[Randy Beaudreault]

>The big question:
>Has anyone been able to print from his or 68k Mac to a new inkjet
>using a os x/bsd/linux/windows print server yet?

On this topic, what would I need to setup a print server using 
NetBSD, a Quadra, a Personal LaserWriter 300, and a Color StyleWriter 
2500.  I may not be able to run a print server from my G4 yet, but I 
can try one of my Quadras.
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Re: Whining Drives

[Randy Beaudreault]

>Hi folks:
>
>Does anyone have experience with Seagate ST15150N drives? Is it "normal" for
>them to be incredibly noisy in a "whiney" sort of way? I'm not complaining
>because these came in a two-drive SCSI enclosure that I thought to contain
>no working drives whatsoever. But these two drives both seem to work. They
>are just so noisy, I can't imagine anyone working in a room with them and it
>makes me wonder whether I should even trust data on them.
>
>Glenn McGaha Miller

I've got two of 'em in my G4 and they do love to whine.  As William 
has noted, they do have the note of jet engines winding up.
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Re: Connecting Macs via serial ports

[Randy Beaudreault]

>]Greetings, all.
>
>The short version: are printer cables null modem cables?  Can a PhoneNet
>cable/connector be used as a null modem calbe?
>
>The long version:
>
>I am interested in networking Macs via their serial ports.  Not for
>LocalTalk, but for PPP, to a Unix machine (Mac OS X Server).



>Once I have the physical link working, I'll putz until I figure out how
>to get the other stuff running. :)
>
>Eagle

I run my firewall/router/DNS Server NetBSD IIci via a serial console. 
I monitor it with my G4 and have also done the monitoring with my 
Power IIci.  Just hook up a serial between your two machines.
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Re: A performa 6300 with cdrom

[Randy Beaudreault]

>At 16:36 +0200 on 20/04/02, Jay Jay Johansson wrote:
>
>>Sorry, it is a performa 630 not a 6300.
>
>Whew :)
>
>Head over to Quadlist eventually.
>
>Put 7.1 + the extras outlined in the FAQ on it for maximum speed.

If you can take the wait
go for 8(.1)

Mac poetry corner. LOL
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Re: my internet problem

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>So got any tips for configuring NAMED?
>
>--
>
>Mark Benson

Yep, just do some slight mods to the NetBSD files and you're up and running. :)
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Re: Mac Playmate

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>Anyone know where I can find Mac Playmate?
>
>Jesse

At Hugh Hefner's house.  You mean Mac Playmate not March Playmate?  LOL
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IIc Series Sighting

[Randy Beaudreault]

As I was flipping through the channels last night I found Point of No 
Return on (La Femme Nikita is the better movie btw) and came upon the 
scene where she nukes a computer.  (Stuck some gadget in the floppy 
slot and then it went poof!)  The great thing is that is was a IIc 
series Mac.  They had some finder windows displaying and some other 
junk too.  The only thing I have with the scene now is that is a 
Vintage Mac no longer in circulation.  Anybody know the propmaster 
for that movie so we can get our hands on the carcass?  This would be 
cool for the Low End Mac museum.
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Re: CD burning with ancient Macs (was: ZIP)

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>Or, if you have a big enough hard disk, you could make an image of the
>CD and stream it off the hard disk. This of course needs nearly 700MB of
>hard disk space though. I'm really just proud because I have a 40GB
>drive in my Quadra. It's still a suggestion non the less.

40GB Quadra? :P
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Re: Help with Turbo 601

[Randy Beaudreault]

>Randy wrote:
>
>>SystemSwitcher should help with that right?
>
>Probably not. I've never seen SystemSwitcher work between partitions
>on same hard drive.
>
>SystemPicker will work between partitions.
>
>Gamba
>

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Re: Help with Turbo 601

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>Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 18:18:14 -0800 (PST)
>From: Gregg Eshelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re:
>
>--- Randy Beaudreault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>  >You'll need a FAT system.
>>  >
>>  >Marten
>>
>>  I thought so.  So system 7.5.5 is it for me unless
>>  SystemSwitcher
>>  works to switch Systems 7.1 and 8.1.  I'll be
>>  finding that out.
>
>You'd have to switch to 030 mode before using 7.1.

Of course.  I'm just curious how system switching would work in this 
case.  Since I want the best system for processor and in my previous 
trials switching between 7.1 and 8.1 on the same disk on my Q800 I 
couldn't switch back into the 8.1 partition.  SystemSwitcher should 
help with that right?
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Re: Help with Turbo 601

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>You'll need a FAT system.
>
>Marten

I thought so.  So system 7.5.5 is it for me unless SystemSwitcher 
works to switch Systems 7.1 and 8.1.  I'll be finding that out. 
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Help with Turbo 601

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I love it!  I hit a local thrift store today and found a few Macs 
which was great.  The topper was when I pulled open the IIci.  I saw 
a card in it that I new wasn't a cache card since it had a big black 
heat sink over the whole card.  I popped that baby off and lo' and 
behold I see IBM and 601 on the big chip.  That's it I buy that over 
the 6150/66WGS.  (It also has a non-stock hd, a Quantum of some sort 
but didn't know the size of this since I couldn't get the model 
number, but it's half the height of the drives in my IIcx and IIci so 
I know that it isn't stock.)  I plug it in at the store and get the 
familiar start up sound.  That's good, so I may have a great steal 
but can't tell until I get it home and hook it up to my monitor.

I get home, hook it up and it works!  I get a screen full of teddy 
bears (desktop pattern) and clickable windows and hds and the whole 
lot.  I set up everything to the way I want it with 32-bit addressing 
on, the proper monitor settings, etc.  Here's where I do the oops.  I 
enable the 601 in the control panel and restart.  I hit the skids 
there. LOL.  I get the infamous ?-mark-in-the-floppy icon.  What 
happened there?  This is where I need help.  I recovered the drive 
when I zapped the PRAM.  So I'm good to go now and copy the drive to 
my backup drive.

What do I need to do to get the Turbo 601 card up and running beyond 
the control panel?  What is the best system (or only system) for 
this?  Thanks for any help.  Sorry for the long story, but I couldn't 
pass up telling the tale.
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Re: Netiquette point 14 --> Dumb question

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>  > For example, posting MACS SUCK AND MAC USERS ARE
>>  A$$HOLES! to seattle.users.macintosh would be
>>  a definite troll. The term comes from fishing where
>>  you pilot a boat really slowly, dragging bait on
>>  a hook.
>
>That's "trawling". As I understood it when I 1st got on the net the word
>trolling was used because you're trying to pose as a troll. You eat up
>anyone who is stupid enough to cross your bridge (take the bait).
>
>As the old saying goes -- Don't engage in a battle of wits with half-wits;
>you have to lower yourself to their level & they have lots more experience
>down there.
>
>--
>Over,
>
> Jutso

Trawling belongs to big fishing boats which trawl the ocean with huge 
fishing nets.  Now for the fishing I've done, trolling required a 
trolling motor which you get at Sears. :P  Could this be a change in 
wording?  Two definitions of trolling is that possible?  Cool.
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Re: Lost and found Web resources

[Randy Beaudreault]

Dan,

Sure, I'm willing to volunteer my used space (the whole account) at 
mac.com.  How about others are you up to donating space and setting 
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Re: Welcome to Foster Farms!

[Randy Beaudreault]

>=46ound what was apparently an LCIII in a dumpster (sort of) today. I
>saw the guy throw it in, so I went after it. :P



>In the top left of the board where it normally says "Macintosh LCII"
>it says "Foster Farms"



>What the hell is this thing?
>
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Alex,

Did you get any chicken with this? LOL

I've been to Foster Farms in Modesto (fast food joint) btw.  Much 
better than KFC.
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Re: Welcome to Foster Farms!

[Randy Beaudreault]

>=46ound what was apparently an LCIII in a dumpster (sort of) today. I
>saw the guy throw it in, so I went after it. :P



>In the top left of the board where it normally says "Macintosh LCII"
>it says "Foster Farms"



>What the hell is this thing?
>
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Alex,

Did you get any chicken with this? LOL

I've been to Foster Farms in Modesto (fast food joint) btw.  Much 
better than KFC.
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Re: Apple File Exchange was Re: Download .sit file via PC

[Randy Beaudreault]

>  >You get the Bill Gates award for misinformation there pickle. :)  I
>>have used Apple File Exchange to deal with PC disks on my IIcx.  It
>>actually deals with Apple ][ and PC disks.  This is the version that
>>comes with 7.1 btw and I don't have that machine handy to grab the
>>version of Apple File Exchange on it.
>
>The version that shipped with System 6 didn't do a damn thing with PC
>disks, or didn't the couple times I tried it back in 8th or 9th grade on a
>Classic and SE...
>
>p

As I stated, that was with System 7.1.  System 6 Apple File Exchange 
I don't know about.  We can split the difference.  System 7.1 Apple 
File Exchange will read PC disks.  System 6's AFE won't.
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Apple File Exchange was Re: Download .sit file via PC

[Randy Beaudreault]

>  >Prior to PC Exchange there was Apple File Exchange.
>
>No, Apple File Exchange was actually a program for reading Apple ][ disks,
>not PC disks.
>
>p

You get the Bill Gates award for misinformation there pickle. :)  I 
have used Apple File Exchange to deal with PC disks on my IIcx.  It 
actually deals with Apple ][ and PC disks.  This is the version that 
comes with 7.1 btw and I don't have that machine handy to grab the 
version of Apple File Exchange on it.
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Toast was Re: linux m68k

[Randy Beaudreault]

>  >I don't remember exactly. If I'm remembering right, I made an image of like
>>a 20MB CD then copied the type and creator out of it, and applied it to the
>>file.
>>
>>The trick is that the OEM version of Toast won't handle CD images. Only the
>>retail version will.
>
>Bastards!  Like I'm gonna pay $79 for the retail version...argh...
>
>p
>_
>the pickle
>The FAQ <http://macfaq.binhost.com/>
>The Archive <http://www.jmug.org/software/thepickle/>
>_

Here's copies of the correspondence I did with Roxio regarding this abscence.

Initial E-mail:

>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>From: Randy Beaudreault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Raw Disk Image Support
>
>Why is there no Raw Disk image burning support in Toast and I'm not 
>referring to copying discs.  I am referring to the OEM Toast 
>supplied with my CD-RW not Toast Deluxe.  I need/want that 
>capability in my burning software and since I don't need all the 
>fancy features of Toast Deluxe why should I have to spend $90-100 to 
>get the only feature I'm looking for?  Would you be so kind as to 
>enlighten myself on your rationale for not doing this?

Their Reply:

>Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 08:02:52 -0600
>From: sales3 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: Raw Disk Image Support
>To: "Randy Beaudreault (by way of rsales <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>)"
>  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>Dear Randy,
>
>Thank you for contacting Roxio Sales.
>
>When we license our software to CD recorder manufactures, they are able to
>include or not include any or all features that they wish.
>
>The solution that I can offer you is Toast 5 Titanium.  We are currently
>selling it for $89.95 plus shipping.
>
>If you would like to order through Roxio, the fastest way to order is to
>call our Pre-Sales department at 1-303-684-3850 or 1-866-280-ROXI (7694),
>Monday - Friday, 7:00 A.M. to 4:00 P.M., Pacific Time - excluding Roxio
>holidays.
>
>You can also purchase from our On-line Store at
>http://www.roxio.com/en/products/ .
>
>For additional information on how to purchase Roxio products, please see our
>"how-to-buy" section on our web site at
>http://www.roxio.com/en/products/howtobuy.html .
>
>Thank you for choosing Roxio software!
>
>Best regards,
>
>Mark Baker
>Roxio On-line Sales
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Dear Randy,
>
>Thank you for contacting Roxio Sales.
>
>When we license our software to CD recorder manufactures, they are able to
>include or not include any or all features that they wish.
>
>The solution that I can offer you is Toast 5 Titanium.  We are currently
>selling it for $89.95 plus shipping.
>
>If you would like to order through Roxio, the fastest way to order is to
>call our Pre-Sales department at 1-303-684-3850 or 1-866-280-ROXI (7694),
>Monday - Friday, 7:00 A.M. to 4:00 P.M., Pacific Time - excluding Roxio
>holidays.
>
>You can also purchase from our On-line Store at
>http://www.roxio.com/en/products/ .
>
>For additional information on how to purchase Roxio products, please see our
>"how-to-buy" section on our web site at
>http://www.roxio.com/en/products/howtobuy.html .
>
>Thank you for choosing Roxio software!
>
>Best regards,
>
>Mark Baker
>Roxio On-line Sales
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>NOTE:  Our email responses are based on information provided to us by the
>originator. Compatibility statements are answered based on information
>available.  Each computer system is a unique blend of hardware and software
>making absolute statements very difficult.  While we strive to be as
>accurate as possible, we can not guarantee 100% compatibility with all
>configurations.  We do however provide a 30-day money-back guarantee on any
>product purchased directly from Roxio.

So looks like I have to hit eBay for Toast 4 Deluxe to burn CD Images 
and get A/UX up and running and e-mail QPS to verify the accuracy of 
this statement.
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Re: linux m68k

[Randy Beaudreault]

>  >Subject: linux m68k on IIfx
>Hi, Scott or anyone else who knows about such things
>
>I'm interested in trying out linux on my PowerBook 150.  On the Debian page
>I couldn't find whether it's supported.  Do you know if it is.
>
>http://www.mac.linux-m68k.org/
>
>Also, is the X windows server ported?
>
>Edwin Lowe


Ok, I've had enough and now I have to add my $.11.  Why are you 
bothering with Linux?  NetBSD is the one to go with on 68k Macs. 
I've put it on my IIci and Q800 and both run flawlessly.  Why go with 
linux?  NetBSD is a mature UNIX for 68k Macs.  The only drawback to 
it is the non-support for the oddball machines, IIvx and Q950, and 
non-FPU Quadra/Centris/LC machines.  For further reference try here:

http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/mac68k/

And for you info Edwin, there is an Xserver for this port.  But you 
will need some memory for it.  And judging from LEMs info on this 
powerbook, you just may be able to install NetBSD on your machine 
unless it has funny I/O stuff.

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OT: D and K keys was Re: just curious...

[Randy Beaudreault]

>Did you also get the numeric keypad that can be used
>on either side of the main keyboard? The bumps
>on the D and K are touch typing aids that for some
>reason Apple chose to place on D and K instead of
>the (by then) industry standard F and J keys.
>You'll want to avoid excessively moving the
>keyboard halves, see the Road Apples page on LEM. :)


You mean the computer industry standard!  I learned to type senior 
year of hs and the guide dots were on the D and K keys to correspond 
with the middle finger which is your longest finger and thus, first 
placed on the keyboard.  Who in the F*** gave us the F and J keys for 
the guide dots?  It certainly wasn't a typist.  This is one of the 
reasons I will be going back to the Apple Extended Keyboard II that I 
got with my Quadra on my G4 once I get a Griffin iMate.


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Re: Bottom Suckers

[Randy Beaudreault]

>--- dhill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>  We were on a party line in the 80's.  Can you
>>  imagine how that would
>>  have affected an Internet connection.
>
>Its actually illegal to use a modem, FAX or similar
>device on a party line. The last party line in
>Idaho was done away with several years ago, early
>90's at least. It was cheaper to run all new wire
>and install a computerized switch for about 12 phones
>than it was to pay one human operator. :)
>
>Later at the same town of Atlanta, their old wooden
>dam was leaking bad. It had filled up with so much
>silt over 100+ years that the water was only about
>2 feet deep behind it. So what does the Army Corps
>of Engineers do? They pour a heavy concrete cap
>on top of the crumbling thing. About a week later
>*FWOOSH*! No more dam, no more bridge. Then the
>"environazis" tried to block the building of a new
>dam and generator but they were told to go @#%#
>themselves. Its all privately owned land there
>in spite of the nutters attempts to eliminate
>Atlanta. :) The second time around the ACoE built
>a completely new concrete dam like they should've
>done to start with. At least the residents were
>prepared to live without electricity and phones
>while the new dam was under construction
>because the old old generator wasn't the most
>reliable thing anymore. ;)

When did this happen?  Not when I was living up in Boise.  That was a 
different day, I had a local ISP, CyberHigway, and used a 14.4 
dial-up connection on my IIcx.  They even gave me a copy of MacTCP 
that I needed to get up and running.  That was 95 and 96.  Now I'm 
using my phone company's DSL.  What a rip there!  Speaking of bottom 
suckers, I get my phone service provide by a bunch of W. contributing 
blood suckers that never heard of customer support.  At least I don't 
need the PPPoE client provided by them now that I use the PPPoE 
client provided by Roaring Penguin on my NetBSD router.
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OT: Showing Your Age

[Randy Beaudreault]

>Heh, I'm 30 and remember when there was ONE style
>of phone available, supplied by "Ma Bell". They
>had about 3 colors to choose from. They were rented,
>not sold. Eventually, if you wanted, you could
>buy your own phones, but they still had the same old
>Ma Bell supplied innards. Finally the companies
>that wanted to make their own complete phones got
>the government to make the telcos allow equipment
>not supplied by them to be connected to the phone
>system. Of course that all happened in the 1970's
>before you were born. ;) When that change happened,
>magazines like Popular Science ran articles on all
>the neat custom phones you could now buy.

Showing you age there. :)  Of course I show my age, 32, when I 
remember going to Safeway and checking your TV's tubes in the tube 
checker.  The 70s what an interesting decade, Vietnam, disco, Jimmy 
Carter, and the change in TVs from black and white to color and from 
tubes to solid state.   My era is the Reagan era, the 80s, home to 
parachute pants and the CD.  Nope, nostaglia doesn't work for me. lol
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Re: RAM Charger

[Randy Beaudreault]

>Who all here uses RAM Charger?
>OK, how many RAM Charger users also own a non
>Vintage Mac with OS 8.5 through 9.1?
>
>Of course you know that using RAM Charger on
>OS 8.5 or 8.6 is a bit "iffy" and it doesn't
>work on 9.x.
>
>Sooo, now that work on the "classic" Mac OS has been
>terminated (supposedly) Apple won't be dinking
>with the OS bits that gave RAM Charger fits with
>OS 8.5 and up. Makes me wonder if it was deliberate
>sabotage by Apple because they couldn't/wouldn't
>come up with better memory management and hated
>being shown up? ;) IMHO, Apple shoulda bought out
>Jump Dev. or licensed their technology to improve
>the Mac for all Mac users. (But nooo, just like
>several other bits they left it to the aftermarket
>to do it better.)
>
>How about we start e-mailing Jump Development asking
>for one more update to RAM Charger? I'm sure there
>are plenty more enhancements possible for 68k and
>PowerMacs in the area of memory management! Maybe
>they can even "tame" Netscape. :)

I second this.  I had RAM Charger working with 9.0.4 (miracle), but 
9.1 finally broke it.  I'll take all the updates to it to get it to 
tame Memory Management on Systems 7 through 9.
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