Re: Ethernet for a Classic II
On 22 Apr 2004, at 20:30, Michael Hackett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Clark Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 8:55 AM -0700 4/21/04, Timothy Virkkala wrote: LocalTalk Bridge doesn't allow TCP/IP? Hmmm. LTB will pass MacIP packets (IP inside AppleTalk packets) but it won't convert them to IP over Ethernet. For that you need a router or something. IPNetRouter, by Sustainable Softworks will do this -- I used that for a while. It doesn't route the LocalTalk packets, though. (I also ran LocalTalk Bridge on the same machine to get both.) IPNetRouter is pretty nifty and works well in conjunction with LTB. An alternative product is/was available from VicomSoft. I believe there are at least a couple of hardware LocalTalk-to-Ethernet routers that handle TCP/IP. (Cayman Gator Box might be one -- can any confirm?) They were a lot more expensive than the Asante-type units, but they are probably fairly cheap used (though hard to find). All Cayman GatorBoxes and Kinetics FastPaths support MacIP so they're ideal for connecting compacts to the internet. Early models also support KIP (the predecessor to MacIP) although this may have been dropped on later models. To the best of my knowledge, LocalTalk products from Asante and Farallon are/were LT to ethernet bridges rather than routers so regard them as AppleTalk only devices unless you have a MacIP router elsewhere on your network. More info in the .sig. A dedicated router from Cayman or Kinetics typically uses less electricity than, say, an SE/30 running software router products. Phil --- http://www.mandrake.demon.co.uk/Apple/ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Ethernet for a Classic II
I use a Sonic TCP/IP SuperBridge that connects LocalTalk devices to your Ethernet. It is only used for printers now but used to be the way that several MacSE and other boxes could connect. Again this may be a hard part to find since it is a dinosaur. Paul/. on 4/22/04 15:34, Phil Beesley at [EMAIL PROTECTED] scribbled: On 22 Apr 2004, at 20:30, Michael Hackett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Clark Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 8:55 AM -0700 4/21/04, Timothy Virkkala wrote: LocalTalk Bridge doesn't allow TCP/IP? Hmmm. LTB will pass MacIP packets (IP inside AppleTalk packets) but it won't convert them to IP over Ethernet. For that you need a router or something. IPNetRouter, by Sustainable Softworks will do this -- I used that for a while. It doesn't route the LocalTalk packets, though. (I also ran LocalTalk Bridge on the same machine to get both.) IPNetRouter is pretty nifty and works well in conjunction with LTB. An alternative product is/was available from VicomSoft. I believe there are at least a couple of hardware LocalTalk-to-Ethernet routers that handle TCP/IP. (Cayman Gator Box might be one -- can any confirm?) They were a lot more expensive than the Asante-type units, but they are probably fairly cheap used (though hard to find). -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Ethernet for a Classic II
Mark Benson, you wrote: Bit of a slow/weird way to go about it but if you only need pure Appletalk access (not TCP/IP) you can use a Localtalk bridge, either on another classic era Mac or a hardware box. I knew about that option, and that's probably what I'll do! LocalTalk Bridge doesn't allow TCP/IP? Hmmm. t -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Ethernet for a Classic II
At 8:55 AM -0700 4/21/04, Timothy Virkkala wrote: Mark Benson, you wrote: Bit of a slow/weird way to go about it but if you only need pure Appletalk access (not TCP/IP) you can use a Localtalk bridge, either on another classic era Mac or a hardware box. I knew about that option, and that's probably what I'll do! LocalTalk Bridge doesn't allow TCP/IP? Hmmm. LTB will pass MacIP packets (IP inside AppleTalk packets) but it won't convert them to IP over Ethernet. For that you need a router or something. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Ethernet for a Classic II
On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 10:40:33 -0700 Clark Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 8:55 AM -0700 4/21/04, Timothy Virkkala wrote: LocalTalk Bridge doesn't allow TCP/IP? Hmmm. LTB will pass MacIP packets (IP inside AppleTalk packets) but it won't convert them to IP over Ethernet. For that you need a router or something. IPNetRouter, by Sustainable Softworks will do this -- I used that for a while. It doesn't route the LocalTalk packets, though. (I also ran LocalTalk Bridge on the same machine to get both.) http://www.sustworks.com/ I believe there are at least a couple of hardware LocalTalk-to-Ethernet routers that handle TCP/IP. (Cayman Gator Box might be one -- can any confirm?) They were a lot more expensive than the Asante-type units, but they are probably fairly cheap used (though hard to find). -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Ethernet for a Classic II
on 4/17/04 3:49 PM, John Niven wrote: No, sorry. There is no equivalent pds slot on the Classic II. The only way to get ethernet on those is to use a SCSI to ethernet converter like the Asante EN/SC. The Farallon Mac/PB Etherwave device also works nicely on the Classics. http://katsmacs.blogspot.com/ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Ethernet for a Classic II
On Tuesday, April 20, 2004, at 12:42PM, Bryan Kattwinkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/17/04 3:49 PM, John Niven wrote: No, sorry. There is no equivalent pds slot on the Classic II. The only way to get ethernet on those is to use a SCSI to ethernet converter like the Asante EN/SC. The Farallon Mac/PB Etherwave device also works nicely on the Classics. Bit of a slow/weird way to go about it but if you only need pure Appletalk access (not TCP/IP) you can use a Localtalk bridge, either on another classic era Mac or a hardware box. -- Mark Benson http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Ethernet for a Classic II
Timothy, No, sorry. There is no equivalent pds slot on the Classic II. The only way to get ethernet on those is to use a SCSI to ethernet converter like the Asante EN/SC. If only they had built ethernet onto the motherboard.. sigh! John On Saturday, April 17, 2004, at 01:47 PM, Timothy Virkkala wrote: I have an Ethernet card on an SE/30 - but the machine isn't running that well. Would it work on a Classic II? I've got one or two of those that work just fine -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
