Re: copywrite

2002-08-01 Thread Gregg Eshelman

--- Teri Pittman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Let's not forget that there are companies that buy
 up software programs just to kill it.

SCSI Director is one of those sad tales. TranSoft
apparently bought it from another company, because
version 1.7.2 doesn't have their name. TranSoft
then developed SCSI Director into a very excellent
bit of software, IMHO superior to FWB's HD Toolkit
in many respects. Then a few years ago TranSoft
sold off much of their company to Hewlett Packard
and SCSI Director was included in the deal. HP
immediately killed off SCSI Director and apparently
all the other software products they bought from
TranSoft were also killed. One of the ex TranSoft
employees at HP sent me a copy of the final version
of SCSI Director when I e-mailed and asked what
the version number of the final version was and
why HP killed it. He didn't know why they did, it
was a good product and would've been a money maker
for HP as it had been for TranSoft.

It's very bizarre why Company A buys a product or
company then kills it when that murder will benefit
Company B making a product similar to the one that
was bought and axed by Company A when Company B is
in no way competing for any market segment with
Company A. When you hear about the big purchase you
think Company A is looking to go toe to toe with
Company B but then *poof* nothing happens.

One real odd one that I've not heard much on since
the buyout is Palm Inc. and their purchase of BeOS
from the defunct Be Inc. IMHO, Be went totally off
on the wrong railroad with BeIA and persuing the
non-existant, never existed, never will exist
Internet Appliance market. Be should've just
dropped the PPC version the instant they were snubbed
by Apple and went 100% x86. Continuing to develop
an OS for obsolete 60x PCI PowerMacs was a dead
end and a severe drain on programmer time that
could've been spent on the more open PC platform.
Maybe someday soon we'll hear an announcement of a
new Palm PDA that totally roasts all the WinCE
ones in every aspect. :)

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Re: copywrite

2002-08-01 Thread Gregg Eshelman


--- Terry Mathews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Another thought is that Copyright convictions
 usually involve actual damages
 that is the value of the pirated software to the
 company. It would be
 difficult to prove that this software that you don't
 even sell anymore is
 really worth anything to you at all.

Hmmm, maybe looking into cases where car companies
have been UNsuccessful in stopping the replicar
manufacturers from producing look alikes of vehicles
no longer in production would yield some gold
nuggets that would apply to software and other
copyright cases. :)

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Re: copywrite

2002-08-01 Thread Gregg Eshelman

DirecTV has been finding it a bit difficult to
persue TV pirates in Canada due to a little quirk
in the laws up there.

Since DirecTV service cannot be sold in Canada, it
has a value of zero in that country. Anything of
zero value is worthless and only things that have
value and/or worth can be stolen. That's the gist
of it. :)

However, the Canadian government recently did arrest
a guy who built and sold a device that directly
hacked the DirecTV reciever box instead of piddling
around with reprogramming the access cards. It was
his own fault he got caught because he bragged
about it far and wide on the net.

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Re: copywrite

2002-08-01 Thread the pickle

At 11:51 -0700 on 01/08/02, Steven wrote:

Evidently my request to the digest list wasn't honored.  10 hours later I
get this nonsense again.  In this particular post (DirectTV).  WHAT THE HELL
does this have anything to do with Macs.  But who am I?  The listmom is

A LOT.  Assuming you're like most other list members, you own one or more older
Macs that Apple doesn't support any more and for which it's very difficult to
find software that is *legally* licenced.  So whether or not it's OK for you to
install a copy of Microsoft Word 4 on your SE/30, for instance, is quite a
germane topic of discussion here, as is related information (like the fact that
DirectTV service cannot be stolen because it has zero value in Canada, in
analogy to software, which, if no longer sold by its publisher, must also have
zero value).

If you want the Software Police to come knocking at your door and haul you away
to jail for pirating software that's 10 years old and that you can no longer
purchase, that's your business, but the rest of us don't seem to want that to
happen, so we're discussing what might be done about it.

allowing this crap.  Therefore, I'm leaving.  My last post...

Don't let the door hit you in the butt on the way out.
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Re: copywrite

2002-08-01 Thread Terry Mathews

I hate indignant, self-righteous people.


Terry
 Evidently my request to the digest list wasn't honored.  10 hours later I
 get this nonsense again.  In this particular post (DirectTV).  WHAT THE
HELL
 does this have anything to do with Macs.  But who am I?  The listmom is
 allowing this crap.  Therefore, I'm leaving.  My last post...


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Re: copywrite

2002-07-31 Thread the pickle

At 18:48 -0700 on 31/07/02, Teri Pittman wrote:

graphical interface, before Windows took over everything.  I have this
theory that PCs would really cook if we still used DOS, since the hardware

I think that's more of a proven fact than theory - look at Linux run from a
console :)

encourage people to upgrade to their latest product.Does that mean that
people who want to use the old products have no rights?  Shouldn't they be
able to purchase a legal license?

Apparently not.

I'm perfectly happy to pay for old software.  But no one will sell it to me, so
I have to either forego using it or be a criminal.

To paraphrase Public Enemy, F*** the Copyright Police!
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Re: copywrite

2002-07-31 Thread Terry Mathews

Another thought is that Copyright convictions usually involve actual damages
that is the value of the pirated software to the company. It would be
difficult to prove that this software that you don't even sell anymore is
really worth anything to you at all.


Terry
 I'm perfectly happy to pay for old software.  But no one will sell it to
me, so
 I have to either forego using it or be a criminal.


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Re: copywrite

2002-07-31 Thread the pickle

At 22:11 -0400 on 31/07/02, Terry Mathews wrote:

Another thought is that Copyright convictions usually involve actual damages
that is the value of the pirated software to the company. It would be
difficult to prove that this software that you don't even sell anymore is
really worth anything to you at all.

Which is precisely my point.

Of course, the company could claim it has worth, or people wouldn't be pirating
it, but if it was so valuable to the pirates, why wouldn't the company sell it
to them in the first place?

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