Re: copywrite
--- Teri Pittman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's not forget that there are companies that buy up software programs just to kill it. SCSI Director is one of those sad tales. TranSoft apparently bought it from another company, because version 1.7.2 doesn't have their name. TranSoft then developed SCSI Director into a very excellent bit of software, IMHO superior to FWB's HD Toolkit in many respects. Then a few years ago TranSoft sold off much of their company to Hewlett Packard and SCSI Director was included in the deal. HP immediately killed off SCSI Director and apparently all the other software products they bought from TranSoft were also killed. One of the ex TranSoft employees at HP sent me a copy of the final version of SCSI Director when I e-mailed and asked what the version number of the final version was and why HP killed it. He didn't know why they did, it was a good product and would've been a money maker for HP as it had been for TranSoft. It's very bizarre why Company A buys a product or company then kills it when that murder will benefit Company B making a product similar to the one that was bought and axed by Company A when Company B is in no way competing for any market segment with Company A. When you hear about the big purchase you think Company A is looking to go toe to toe with Company B but then *poof* nothing happens. One real odd one that I've not heard much on since the buyout is Palm Inc. and their purchase of BeOS from the defunct Be Inc. IMHO, Be went totally off on the wrong railroad with BeIA and persuing the non-existant, never existed, never will exist Internet Appliance market. Be should've just dropped the PPC version the instant they were snubbed by Apple and went 100% x86. Continuing to develop an OS for obsolete 60x PCI PowerMacs was a dead end and a severe drain on programmer time that could've been spent on the more open PC platform. Maybe someday soon we'll hear an announcement of a new Palm PDA that totally roasts all the WinCE ones in every aspect. :) = http://www.junkscience.com All the Junk that's fit to Debunk! __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: copywrite
--- Terry Mathews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another thought is that Copyright convictions usually involve actual damages that is the value of the pirated software to the company. It would be difficult to prove that this software that you don't even sell anymore is really worth anything to you at all. Hmmm, maybe looking into cases where car companies have been UNsuccessful in stopping the replicar manufacturers from producing look alikes of vehicles no longer in production would yield some gold nuggets that would apply to software and other copyright cases. :) = http://www.junkscience.com All the Junk that's fit to Debunk! __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: copywrite
DirecTV has been finding it a bit difficult to persue TV pirates in Canada due to a little quirk in the laws up there. Since DirecTV service cannot be sold in Canada, it has a value of zero in that country. Anything of zero value is worthless and only things that have value and/or worth can be stolen. That's the gist of it. :) However, the Canadian government recently did arrest a guy who built and sold a device that directly hacked the DirecTV reciever box instead of piddling around with reprogramming the access cards. It was his own fault he got caught because he bragged about it far and wide on the net. = http://www.junkscience.com All the Junk that's fit to Debunk! __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: copywrite
At 11:51 -0700 on 01/08/02, Steven wrote: Evidently my request to the digest list wasn't honored. 10 hours later I get this nonsense again. In this particular post (DirectTV). WHAT THE HELL does this have anything to do with Macs. But who am I? The listmom is A LOT. Assuming you're like most other list members, you own one or more older Macs that Apple doesn't support any more and for which it's very difficult to find software that is *legally* licenced. So whether or not it's OK for you to install a copy of Microsoft Word 4 on your SE/30, for instance, is quite a germane topic of discussion here, as is related information (like the fact that DirectTV service cannot be stolen because it has zero value in Canada, in analogy to software, which, if no longer sold by its publisher, must also have zero value). If you want the Software Police to come knocking at your door and haul you away to jail for pirating software that's 10 years old and that you can no longer purchase, that's your business, but the rest of us don't seem to want that to happen, so we're discussing what might be done about it. allowing this crap. Therefore, I'm leaving. My last post... Don't let the door hit you in the butt on the way out. -- the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml Software Archive ftp://download:[EMAIL PROTECTED]//Users/thepickl/Sites/Archive/ http://www.members.jmug.org/%7Ethepickl/archive/ _ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: copywrite
I hate indignant, self-righteous people. Terry Evidently my request to the digest list wasn't honored. 10 hours later I get this nonsense again. In this particular post (DirectTV). WHAT THE HELL does this have anything to do with Macs. But who am I? The listmom is allowing this crap. Therefore, I'm leaving. My last post... -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: copywrite
At 18:48 -0700 on 31/07/02, Teri Pittman wrote: graphical interface, before Windows took over everything. I have this theory that PCs would really cook if we still used DOS, since the hardware I think that's more of a proven fact than theory - look at Linux run from a console :) encourage people to upgrade to their latest product.Does that mean that people who want to use the old products have no rights? Shouldn't they be able to purchase a legal license? Apparently not. I'm perfectly happy to pay for old software. But no one will sell it to me, so I have to either forego using it or be a criminal. To paraphrase Public Enemy, F*** the Copyright Police! -- the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml Software Archive ftp://download:[EMAIL PROTECTED]//Users/thepickl/Sites/Archive/ http://www.members.jmug.org/%7Ethepickl/archive/ _ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: copywrite
Another thought is that Copyright convictions usually involve actual damages that is the value of the pirated software to the company. It would be difficult to prove that this software that you don't even sell anymore is really worth anything to you at all. Terry I'm perfectly happy to pay for old software. But no one will sell it to me, so I have to either forego using it or be a criminal. -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: copywrite
At 22:11 -0400 on 31/07/02, Terry Mathews wrote: Another thought is that Copyright convictions usually involve actual damages that is the value of the pirated software to the company. It would be difficult to prove that this software that you don't even sell anymore is really worth anything to you at all. Which is precisely my point. Of course, the company could claim it has worth, or people wouldn't be pirating it, but if it was so valuable to the pirates, why wouldn't the company sell it to them in the first place? -- the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml Software Archive ftp://download:[EMAIL PROTECTED]//Users/thepickl/Sites/Archive/ http://www.members.jmug.org/%7Ethepickl/archive/ _ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com