Re: play mp3's on 020 or up Macs

[the pickle]

At 15:41 -0700 on 06/09/01, JAG wrote:

>I forgot to mention that this app also plays MP3's on
>an 020 or up. It was written by Mark White and tested
>on a SE/30. I have not used it yet. Have fun!

As in plays without converting to AIFF *first*?  As in decodes on the fly?

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Re: play mp3's on 020 or up Macs

[Terry Mathews]

If it's a full port of mpg123, it should play any MP2 or MP3 audio.


Terry
> As in plays without converting to AIFF *first*?  As in decodes on the fly?


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Re: play mp3's on 020 or up Macs

[the pickle]

At 19:54 -0400 on 06/09/01, Terry Mathews wrote:

>If it's a full port of mpg123, it should play any MP2 or MP3 audio.

Well, yeah, but most people I've talked to, including a lot of Mac
programming experts with experience in the field, have said the 68040's FPU
- let alone an FPU-less '020-based Mac - is far too weak to decode MP3s on
the fly, in real time.

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Re: play mp3's on 020 or up Macs

[Terry Mathews]

I guess there's only one way to find out. :-)


Terry
> Well, yeah, but most people I've talked to, including a lot of Mac
> programming experts with experience in the field, have said the 68040's
FPU
> - let alone an FPU-less '020-based Mac - is far too weak to decode MP3s on
> the fly, in real time.


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Re: play mp3's on 020 or up Macs

[the pickle]

At 20:04 -0400 on 06/09/01, Terry Mathews wrote:

>I guess there's only one way to find out. :-)

...and I'm camping for the weekend - or will be tomorrow - so I'm away from
my stash or I'd test it right now...

Who's volunteering? :)

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Re: play mp3's on 020 or up Macs

[Terry Mathews]

I've got a Q950 running 8.1 with 56MB of RAM, I can try it out this weekend.


Terry
> >I guess there's only one way to find out. :-)
>
> ...and I'm camping for the weekend - or will be tomorrow - so I'm away
from
> my stash or I'd test it right now...
>
> Who's volunteering? :)


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Re: play mp3's on 020 or up Macs

[Gregg Eshelman]

There is just no way an 020 (meaning a Mac II or LC)
is going to play MP3 in realtime. Even if it is
super optimized a IIci with a 50Mhz DayStar 030
is going to struggle.

--- Terry Mathews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If it's a full port of mpg123, it should play any
> MP2 or MP3 audio.
> 
> 
> Terry
> > As in plays without converting to AIFF *first*? 
> As in decodes on the fly?


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Re: play mp3's on 020 or up Macs

[Alex Allee]

>At 20:04 -0400 on 06/09/01, Terry Mathews wrote:
>
>>I guess there's only one way to find out. :-)
>
>...and I'm camping for the weekend - or will be tomorrow - so I'm away from
>my stash or I'd test it right now...
>
>Who's volunteering? :)

I'm kinda doubtful, but I'll give it a shot on a 475 I'm putting together.

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Re: play mp3's on 020 or up Macs

[Terry Mathews]

I dunno, there's a chance this will work good. Mpg123 has a patch that makes
it use all integer math. It was developed for the Acorn RISC chips, but
works on all platforms. This is also an open-source program that has been
under constant development for years. I'm not kidding, years. I always
thought if there was going to be one MP3 player for m68k, it would be a port
of mpg123.

Terry
> I'm kinda doubtful, but I'll give it a shot on a 475 I'm
> putting together.


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Re: play mp3's on 020 or up Macs

[Alex Allee]

>I dunno, there's a chance this will work good. Mpg123 has a patch that makes
>it use all integer math. It was developed for the Acorn RISC chips, but
>works on all platforms. This is also an open-source program that has been
>under constant development for years. I'm not kidding, years. I always
>thought if there was going to be one MP3 player for m68k, it would be a port
>of mpg123.

Now that I think about it, you can play MP3s on a 486. Not 
particularly well, but a 486/100 will do it real-time.

I've hit a brick wall on the 475. mpg123 crashes out due to a lack of 
FPU (At least that's what it says) and all of my Quadras have 
LC040's. Doh.

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Re: play mp3's on 020 or up Macs

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--- Alex Allee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Now that I think about it, you can play MP3s on a
> 486. Not 
> particularly well, but a 486/100 will do it
> real-time.
> 
> I've hit a brick wall on the 475. mpg123 crashes out
> due to a lack of 
> FPU (At least that's what it says) and all of my
> Quadras have LC040's. Doh.

The only way I ever got a 486 class PC to play MP3
was to use the AMD 5x86 on a 40Mhz bus so it was
running at 160Mhz. The version of WinAMP available
at the time had an option to cut the playback
quality to 22Khz and downmix stereo to mono. Even
at that it would only play without skipping if
WinAMP was the only thing running.

An MP3 player for an 040 is going to have to be
tons more efficient than WinAMP ever was to play
MP3 with realtime decoding. I'm certain it won't
do 44khz playback even on an 840AV. There might
be a possibility of 44Khz stereo if the player
app used the AV's DSP. But I'll for darn sure bet
that it couldn't do anything but play MP3, just like
my hotted up old 486. ;)

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Re: play mp3's on 020 or up Macs

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>The only way I ever got a 486 class PC to play MP3
>was to use the AMD 5x86 on a 40Mhz bus so it was
>running at 160Mhz. The version of WinAMP available
>at the time had an option to cut the playback
>quality to 22Khz and downmix stereo to mono. Even
>at that it would only play without skipping if
>WinAMP was the only thing running.

Like I said, not particularly well. :) But I'm fairly sure I was able 
to squeeze a full quality MP3 out of that poor old 486/100. Just as 
long as you didn't, say, use the mouse or access the hard drive. I'm 
sure if you ran DOSAmp (or damp, xmms, etc) or something, it wouldn't 
be a problem.

>An MP3 player for an 040 is going to have to be
>tons more efficient than WinAMP ever was to play
>MP3 with realtime decoding. I'm certain it won't
>do 44khz playback even on an 840AV. There might
>be a possibility of 44Khz stereo if the player
>app used the AV's DSP. But I'll for darn sure bet
>that it couldn't do anything but play MP3, just like
>my hotted up old 486. ;)

Darn, I was looking forward to listening to some tunes while doing a 
20-point Gaussian blur in Photoshop along with that final Bryce 
render in the background on my Centris. :P

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Re: play mp3's on 020 or up Macs

[Alex Allee]

>sure if you ran DOSAmp (or damp, xmms, etc) or something, it wouldn't

Gee, could that sentence get more redundant?

Nah, I don't need to proofread. :)

(Yes, I realize the redundancy of this post.)

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Re: play mp3's on 020 or up Macs

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SoundApp claims to be able to do it. I've tried it on my 030->040 (upgraded 
IIci) but the file won't un-SIT. It's corrupted.
I'll post my results when I get it to unstuff.

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<< >sure if you ran DOSAmp (or damp, xmms, etc) or something, it wouldn't
 
 Gee, could that sentence get more redundant?
 
 Nah, I don't need to proofread. :)
 
 (Yes, I realize the redundancy of this post.)
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Re: play mp3's on 020 or up Macs

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>SoundApp claims to be able to do it. I've tried it on my 030->040 (upgraded
>IIci) but the file won't un-SIT. It's corrupted.
>I'll post my results when I get it to unstuff.
>
>-- Deven

Forget it. SoundApp doesn't claim to run mp3's on 68k Macs. It isn't 
able to do that. It is however able to convert mp3's to aiff's on 68k 
Macs.

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Re: play mp3's on 020 or up Macs

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Actually, no, SoundApp DOES claim to play Mp3's now on 68k Macs. You must be referring 
to an old version.

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Re: play mp3's on 020 or up Macs

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Actually, no, SoundApp DOES claim to play Mp3's now on 68k Macs. You must be referring 
to an old version.

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Re: play mp3's on 020 or up Macs

[Marten van de Kraats]

>Actually, no, SoundApp DOES claim to play Mp3's now on 68k Macs. You 
>must be referring to an old version.
>
There homepage claims:

"SoundApp can also convert MPEG files on a 680x0 Macintosh, although 
it cannot play them."
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Re: play mp3's on 020 or up Macs

[macdrivers]

So I gave the program a spin on my Q630 that acts as a headless MP3 file
server on my LAN.  At first I couldn't get the file to unstuff on the Q630,
probably due to the older stuffit expander on the machine.  So I mounted the
Q630 hd on my iMac and unstuffed it on the iMac.

I control the Q630 via timubktu as it is headless and I pared down the
extension set on it.  And the verdict is

Well kinda, sorta...I initially tried playing a 192kbps U2 With or Without
you and it played but heavily stuttered (like a motorcycle) and it took
about twice as long to play as the length of the song.

I then tried playing a 56kps song which was still stuttered but was almost
decent.

What I haven't tried yet is to turn off Appletalk on the Q630 and put a
monitor/keyboard on the machine and disable timbuktu.  I bet that would
improve the playback.  I'll give this a shot over the weekend.

Sure the interface is crude, but the effort put into this is impressive.

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Re: play mp3's on 020 or up Macs

[Jeff Garrison]

-Original Message-
From: macdrivers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Vintage Macs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Friday, September 07, 2001 6:48 AM
Subject: Re: play mp3's on 020 or up Macs


>So I gave the program a spin on my Q630 that acts as a headless MP3 file
>server on my LAN.  At first I couldn't get the file to unstuff on the Q630,
>probably due to the older stuffit expander on the machine.  So I mounted
the
>Q630 hd on my iMac and unstuffed it on the iMac.
>
>I control the Q630 via timubktu as it is headless and I pared down the
>extension set on it.  And the verdict is
>
>Well kinda, sorta...I initially tried playing a 192kbps U2 With or Without
>you and it played but heavily stuttered (like a motorcycle) and it took
>about twice as long to play as the length of the song.

>Sure the interface is crude, but the effort put into this is impressive.
>
>Bhavesh



You have my impressedness. (Is that a word?)

My guess is your machine could do with more RAM  and RAM Doubler.

Jeff


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Re: play mp3's on 020 or up Macs

[the pickle]

At 07:33 -0400 on 07/09/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>SoundApp claims to be able to do it. I've tried it on my 030->040 (upgraded

No, it doesn't.  It can *convert* them, but it can't play them in real-time.

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Re: play mp3's on 020 or up Macs

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> Actually, no, SoundApp DOES claim to play Mp3's now
> on 68k Macs. You must be referring to an old
> version.

I just tried the latest version a couple weeks ago
on this here G3 and couldn't make the flinking thing
play MP3, wouldn't show them in the file open
dialog box. :P So I used WinAMP for Mac. :)

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