RE: iTunes question about using 32 bit or 64 bit download for windows

[M. Taylor]

Hello Neal,

Of course, I can only comment based on my own experience but as far as I am 
aware, the iTunes Library is not 64-bit or 32-bit dependent.  

I frequently access the same iTunes Library from both a 64-bit version of 
iTunes for Windows and a 32-bit version of iTunes for Windows with no problems. 
whatsoever.

Just make certain you have a good backup of your Library, including the 
iTunes.itl, iTunes .xml files along with all of their accompanying files and 
you should be good to go.

Were I you, I would test the backup Library before proceeding with any OS or 
Software upgrades.

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Neal Ewers
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 6:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iTunes question about using 32 bit or 64 bit download for windows

Hi, Do any of you who have 64 bit Windows systems use the 64 bit version of 
iTunes? I ask because I have been using the 32 bit version in Windows 7 with no 
problem. But I need to download to Windows 10. I know, you may not have an 
answer for what Windows 10 takes, but I can’t even find a 32 bit download on 
Apple, perhaps because it knows what system I am running.
My problem is, I want to move my library to the new computer. So, if I download 
a 64 bit version and try to merge a library from a 32 bit version, I am not 
sure if it will work.
Any comments on using 32 or 64 bit will be appreciated.

Neal
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Re: Ue megaboom

[Traci Duncan]

Yes, I am having this issue as well.  :)  It is rather annoying.  Voiceover 
gestures will work just fine, but I cannot hear speech.  Of course, this is no 
problem when I’m using my braille display as well, but still…


Traci

On Jul 22, 2015, at 7:17 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:

> There was an update for the make up boom. When I got mine, the first thing I 
> did was check for updates. And I updated. Perhaps that was a bad idea.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jul 22, 2015, at 7:08 PM, Gmail  wrote:
> 
>> I must admit that since getting the speaker, I only updated the firmware 
>> once, and that was a while ago. I'm not sure if there have been updates 
>> since then, but I should probably check. That might be why I'm not having 
>> the problem. :)
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Ari
>> 
>> On Jul 22, 2015, at 9:44 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>>> Interesting, Jonathan. I wonder if this is a voiceover problem or a UE make 
>>> a problem. I wonder that because we had a response from someone who owns a 
>>> boom, and they don't have the problem. What could possibly be different in 
>>> the firmware of the two speakers that could cause this issue I wonder. I'm 
>>> just not sure where to reported, Apple or you E.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Jul 22, 2015, at 8:56 AM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Mary, I have a Megaboom, well, two in fact, and yes I can confirm this 
 problem. I'm not sure if it's each and every time, but very frequently at 
 best.
 Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
 http://Mosen.org
 
> On 22/07/2015, at 8:06 am, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tracy and anyone else who might be interested,
> I have my UE megaboom haired successfully with two different eye devices. 
> I have noticed one consistent problem with both my for S and my 5S. If I 
> have music streaming and I hit the pause button or I to finger double tap 
> to pause, voice over crashes each and every time. Have you noticed this?
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 18, 2015, at 8:38 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, I have the UE Boom — the middle size speaker.
>> 
>> Pairing the speaker & device is very simple.  Switching devices is also 
>> very simple.  I haven’t tried this for a while, but the one issue I was 
>> having…  If you are trying to use 2 devices at once, I couldn’t hear 
>> voiceover on my device.  My favorite way to use the speaker is with my 
>> braille display.  That way voiceover doesn’t get in the way of the 
>> music.  :)
>> 
>> The app is somewhat accessible.  The buttons for double up, alarm, 
>> naming your Boom, are labeled.  The new feature for powering on your 
>> speaker from across the room, is not labeled, & I have contacted them a 
>> couple of times about this.
>> 
>> I have worked around this by turning voiceover off, & generally tapping 
>> in the top center of the screen.  9 times out of 10, I tap the correct 
>> area & my speaker turns on.
>> 
>> Honestly, I rarely use the app.  I don’t have much reason to until I 
>> have a second speaker or need to update my current one.
>> 
>> On the side of the speaker though, I love it!  Sounds great, still 
>> portable, & feels quite rugged.
>> 
>> Good luck,
>> Traci
>> 
>>> On Jul 16, 2015, at 9:39 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I can't remember if it was here or on another list where there was a 
>>> discussion of this speaker and it's accompanying app. I would like to 
>>> know people's comments on the app and how easy you found it to pair the 
>>> speaker with your eye devices and how easy it is to change from one to 
>>> another device.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: SIRI HAS JUST IMPRESSED ME ...

[Kerri G]

she said she made her first appearance on october 4 2011.
> On Jul 23, 2015, at 8:30 PM, Robin  wrote:
> 
> Ever Wonder if Siri (Apple's iOS Personal-Virtual Assistant) KNOWS Her Own 
> BirthDay 
> 
> Try Asking Her (Siri)
> 
> (Note: Her BirthDay IS: 4TH October 2011 ... which coincides with the Apple 
> iPhone4S)
> At 05:41 PM 7/23/2015, you wrote:
>> That's too funny LOL
>> 
>> Nancy Badger, Ph.D
>> Assistant Vice Chancellor, Student Services
>> UT Chattanooga
>> Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling errors.
>> 
>> On Jul 23, 2015, at 8:38 PM, Marie >  > wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Ask Siri to divide zero by zero.
>>> Marie
>>>  
>>>  
>>> From: Rose Combs  
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 11:58 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
>>> Subject: RE: SIRI HAS JUST IMPRESSED ME ...
>>>  
>>> Honestly, I don’t use Siri a lot but when I have it has been generally 
>>> good.  My truly funny experience was that one morning I dictated a message 
>>> to my late husband but I forgot to tell Seri to whom to send the “Are you 
>>> awake, if not why not!†  She came back with “Don’t wake me up! It is 
>>> 4 in the morning and I do not want to wake up.  
>>>  
>>> I did it on April first 2012 and every year on April first if I set an 
>>> alarm for 4 in the morning, as I did when working she would say “your 
>>> alarm is set but don’t wake me up!  
>>>  
>>> BTW, my late husband was in the hospital which was why I was trying to wake 
>>> him up so I could tell him something I had read after I had talked to him 
>>> the evening before.  
>>>  
>>> My other strange experience was asking Siri for directions to 56th Street 
>>> and Washington in Phoenix, Arizona.  She gave me directions to Washington 
>>> State instead, it was 400 miles away!  My cousin and I had to laugh.  By 
>>> the way, her android phone did exactly the same thing!  
>>>  
>>> Rose Combs
>>> roseco...@q.com 
>>> A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the 
>>> memory!
>>>  
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  [ 
>>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com ] 
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 2:55 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: SIRI HAS JUST IMPRESSED ME ...
>>>  
>>> Hey everyone,
>>>  
>>> Just wanted to tell you that Siri seriously impressed me today for the 
>>> first time in a while.  I really stopped using him/her because things 
>>> didn't seem to work well.  However, today I needed to remove a recurring 
>>> event from my calendar (Fantastical) and didn't quite see how to do it!  IN 
>>> the end, I asked Siri in the best way I knew how (can't remember exactly 
>>> the wording I used) and, Siri did it!  I then said, "Thanks, Siri.  You did 
>>> well," and I got a human-type response to that also!  
>>>  
>>> I do hope that Siri becomes easier to use and that we can express things in 
>>> more ways, rather than having to learn so many of the ways to ask Siri to 
>>> do something.
>>>  
>>> Carol P
>>>  
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Re: Siri seems to have dementia

[Kerri G]

you may have a point? I asked her “what is the longitude of British columbia’ 
and she told me.
> On Jul 23, 2015, at 5:12 PM, Neal Ewers  wrote:
> 
> Perhaps she is prejudice against people who live in Madison. I just asked her 
> 4 times before getting the right answer. She did repeat the same question 
> back to me, so she understood. Someone suggested possibly a busy server. 
> Normally I have been told when this is the case, but I guess it is possible 
> that this might be one way for apple to parce server time without telling you 
> that the server is busy. Don’t know.
>  
> Neal
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> SSEric
> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 4:04 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Siri seems to have dementia
>  
> Ijust asked for the latitudes of Madison, Wisconsin; Columbus, Ohio and 
> Savannah, Georgia. All three were reported on the first try.
>  
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf 
> Of Rose Combs
> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 4:31 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: RE: Siri seems to have dementia
>  
> What should I be looking for when searching for the Google app.  Last time I 
> had anything but search on my phone it did not work.  That was, however 
> probably in 2012, and I probably loaded it from the hospital while visiting 
> and did not pay as much attention as it needed. 
>  
>  
> Rose Combs
> roseco...@q.com 
> A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the 
> memory!
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf 
> Of Alan Lemly
> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 1:29 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: RE: Siri seems to have dementia
>  
> Neal,
>  
> I find Siri unpredictable and inconsistent and in my opinion, if you want to 
> discourage folks from using a technological advancement, that's the way to do 
> it. I asked the Google app your Madison latitude question and got an 
> immediate answer.
>  
> I pretty much depend on Google if I need information and use Siri to do 
> things like initiate phone calls to contacts or to open apps. She's pretty 
> consistent with those sort of things.
>  
> Alan Lemly
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf 
> Of Neal Ewers
> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 2:27 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Siri seems to have dementia
>  
> Hi all, I wonder if any of you have had the following problem. I have 
> experienced a lot of situations where I will ask Siri a question and she will 
> say that she doesn’t understand the question. It’s more specific than that. 
> Here is an example.
> I ask Siri, “What is the latitude of Madison Wisconsin?”
> Siri says, “I don’t understand the latitude of Madison Wisconsin.” So she 
> knows what I am asking, that is not where the breakdown occurs. I asked her 
> this yesterday and twice she gave me the same answer using the exact same 
> words I used in the question. On the third attempt, she gave me the answer.
>  
> So, what goes here. Is she becoming brain dead? Is three times the charm? 
> This has also happened on other questions lately. She repeats the question so 
> I know she understands and several attempts later, she will give me the 
> answer. I’ll likely report this to Apple, but I wondered if anyone else had 
> seen this problem.
>  
> Neal
>  
>  
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Re: SIRI HAS JUST IMPRESSED ME ...

[Kerri G]

I just did and it said a little spiel about friends and cookies and about 
cookie monster being sad too ahahhahaha
> On Jul 23, 2015, at 5:38 PM, Marie  wrote:
> 
> 
> Ask Siri to divide zero by zero.
> Marie
>  
>  
> From: Rose Combs 
> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 11:58 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: RE: SIRI HAS JUST IMPRESSED ME ...
>  
> Honestly, I don’t use Siri a lot but when I have it has been generally good.  
> My truly funny experience was that one morning I dictated a message to my 
> late husband but I forgot to tell Seri to whom to send the “Are you awake, if 
> not why not!”  She came back with “Don’t wake me up! It is 4 in the morning 
> and I do not want to wake up. 
>  
> I did it on April first 2012 and every year on April first if I set an alarm 
> for 4 in the morning, as I did when working she would say “your alarm is set 
> but don’t wake me up! 
>  
> BTW, my late husband was in the hospital which was why I was trying to wake 
> him up so I could tell him something I had read after I had talked to him the 
> evening before. 
>  
> My other strange experience was asking Siri for directions to 56th Street and 
> Washington in Phoenix, Arizona.  She gave me directions to Washington State 
> instead, it was 400 miles away!  My cousin and I had to laugh.  By the way, 
> her android phone did exactly the same thing! 
>  
> Rose Combs
> roseco...@q.com 
> A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the 
> memory!
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 2:55 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: SIRI HAS JUST IMPRESSED ME ...
>  
> Hey everyone,
>  
> Just wanted to tell you that Siri seriously impressed me today for the first 
> time in a while.  I really stopped using him/her because things didn't seem 
> to work well.  However, today I needed to remove a recurring event from my 
> calendar (Fantastical) and didn't quite see how to do it!  IN the end, I 
> asked Siri in the best way I knew how (can't remember exactly the wording I 
> used) and, Siri did it!  I then said, "Thanks, Siri.  You did well," and I 
> got a human-type response to that also!  
>  
> I do hope that Siri becomes easier to use and that we can express things in 
> more ways, rather than having to learn so many of the ways to ask Siri to do 
> something.
>  
> Carol P
>  
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Re: effectively using braille screen input

[Alex Hall]

BSI is braille screen input. Here's my text guide, which includes a link to the 
podcast if you need it:
http://www.applevis.com/guides/braille-ios-voiceover/introduction-braille-screen-input-ios-8
> On Jul 23, 2015, at 10:45 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
> BSI? That sounds like some new training center. But I'll look on AppleVis and 
> see if I can find the text guides, as I cannot stand to listen to the opening 
> 5 minutes of a podcast that just explains what the podcast is for. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 23, 2015, at 9:18 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>> As Chris said, a two-finger flick down will translate what you have. If 
>> you're interested, I did a text guide and podcast on BSI for AppleVis; I can 
>> send the link if you want.
>>> On Jul 23, 2015, at 2:30 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all. I've started using braille screen input as my main way to enter 
>>> text on the iPhone. So, does anyone have any suggestions on how to make 
>>> this easier? I'm now on grade 2 input, and am mostly wondering how to have 
>>> the system translate the text without me having to press space.  
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Siri seems to have dementia

[Kerri G]

I’m not running a beta and siri is demented.
> On Jul 23, 2015, at 12:50 PM, Tim Emmons  wrote:
> 
> I’ve just started seeing it today after the latest beta release. I’ve got a 
> report going in too but she doesn’t even get it after three here. It’s as if 
> she’s got dementia and possibly some hard of hearing issues somewhere because 
> at some times I think if she could she’d say, huh? Lol. I’m seeing it a lot 
> here of late. Glad I’m not the only one and hope they fix this. Take care. 
>> On Jul 23, 2015, at 2:26 PM, Neal Ewers > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all, I wonder if any of you have had the following problem. I have 
>> experienced a lot of situations where I will ask Siri a question and she 
>> will say that she doesn’t understand the question. It’s more specific than 
>> that. Here is an example.
>> I ask Siri, “What is the latitude of Madison Wisconsin?”
>> Siri says, “I don’t understand the latitude of Madison Wisconsin.” So she 
>> knows what I am asking, that is not where the breakdown occurs. I asked her 
>> this yesterday and twice she gave me the same answer using the exact same 
>> words I used in the question. On the third attempt, she gave me the answer.
>>  
>> So, what goes here. Is she becoming brain dead? Is three times the charm? 
>> This has also happened on other questions lately. She repeats the question 
>> so I know she understands and several attempts later, she will give me the 
>> answer. I’ll likely report this to Apple, but I wondered if anyone else had 
>> seen this problem.
>>  
>> Neal
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Re: Siri seems to have dementia

[Kerri G]

what device are you suing/ I did my tests with an iPhone 5S and an iPad mini 2.
> On Jul 23, 2015, at 2:03 PM, SSEric  wrote:
> 
> Ijust asked for the latitudes of Madison, Wisconsin; Columbus, Ohio and 
> Savannah, Georgia. All three were reported on the first try.
>  
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Rose Combs
> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 4:31 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Siri seems to have dementia
>  
> What should I be looking for when searching for the Google app.  Last time I 
> had anything but search on my phone it did not work.  That was, however 
> probably in 2012, and I probably loaded it from the hospital while visiting 
> and did not pay as much attention as it needed. 
>  
>  
> Rose Combs
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> A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the 
> memory!
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Alan Lemly
> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 1:29 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Siri seems to have dementia
>  
> Neal,
>  
> I find Siri unpredictable and inconsistent and in my opinion, if you want to 
> discourage folks from using a technological advancement, that's the way to do 
> it. I asked the Google app your Madison latitude question and got an 
> immediate answer.
>  
> I pretty much depend on Google if I need information and use Siri to do 
> things like initiate phone calls to contacts or to open apps. She's pretty 
> consistent with those sort of things.
>  
> Alan Lemly
>  
> -Original Message-
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>  
> Hi all, I wonder if any of you have had the following problem. I have 
> experienced a lot of situations where I will ask Siri a question and she will 
> say that she doesn’t understand the question. It’s more specific than that. 
> Here is an example.
> I ask Siri, “What is the latitude of Madison Wisconsin?”
> Siri says, “I don’t understand the latitude of Madison Wisconsin.” So she 
> knows what I am asking, that is not where the breakdown occurs. I asked her 
> this yesterday and twice she gave me the same answer using the exact same 
> words I used in the question. On the third attempt, she gave me the answer.
>  
> So, what goes here. Is she becoming brain dead? Is three times the charm? 
> This has also happened on other questions lately. She repeats the question so 
> I know she understands and several attempts later, she will give me the 
> answer. I’ll likely report this to Apple, but I wondered if anyone else had 
> seen this problem.
>  
> Neal
>  
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Re: App Accessibility and the ADA

[Robin]

I'm NotSure if either Google and/or Microsoft do AnyBetter...

But, that's NotThePoint ... Apple is the TrendSetter as it pertains 
to the MobileSpace ... Google & Microsoft will FollowSuit


CaseInPoint

Out-of-the-Box Accessibility
At 07:37 PM 7/23/2015, you wrote:
does Microsoft do any better??? Honestly, the answer is no. The last 
time we got anything out of MS, it required a lawsuit. They are 
still a $45 Billion Dollar monster with lots of lawyers. Still, if 
enough of us can start bugging the software developers who make apps 
for MS (and OS X, iOS, Android and others), the more likely it is 
that something will get done.


-eric

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> Does Microsoft do any better?
>
> Andy
>
> From: Mike Hingson
> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 12:30 PM
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> While some apps may be graphic by nature their controls need not 
be inaccessible to blind persons. I believe Apple has not totally 
lived up to its responsibility to insure as miuch app accessibility 
as it could. Leaving this up to the developers is unrealistic and 
will ALWAYS keep us behind the accessible curve.

>
> On Tuesday, July 21, 2015 at 7:39:08 AM UTC-7, Chris Smart wrote:
> I'm not a US citizen, so forgive me if this question is ignorant.
> Does the ADA or any other US law compel app and other software 
developers to make their products accessible?  I know the ADA 
applies to buildings and such, but what about software?

>
> I'm considering filing a report with the Better Business Bureau 
in the case of one company, mostly to get their full attention. 
Obviously I'd like to site any relevant legal frameworks if there are any.

>
> Thanks for any info,
>
> Chris
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Re: SIRI HAS JUST IMPRESSED ME ...

[Robin]

Ever Wonder if Siri (Apple's iOS Personal-Virtual 
Assistant) KNOWS Her Own BirthDay


Try Asking Her (Siri)

(Note: Her BirthDay IS: 4TH October 2011 ... 
which coincides with the Apple iPhone4S)

At 05:41 PM 7/23/2015, you wrote:

That's too funny LOL

Nancy Badger, Ph.D
Assistant Vice Chancellor, Student Services
UT Chattanooga
Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling errors.

On Jul 23, 2015, at 8:38 PM, Marie 
<scribbl...@comcast.net> wrote:




Ask Siri to divide zero by zero.
Marie


From: Rose Combs
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 11:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: SIRI HAS JUST IMPRESSED ME ...

Honestly, I don’t use Siri a lot but when I 
have it has been generally good.  My truly 
funny experience was that one morning I 
dictated a message to my late husband but I 
forgot to tell Seri to whom to send the “Are 
you awake, if not why not!†  She came back 
with “Don’t wake me up! It is 4 in the 
morning and I do not want to wake up.


I did it on April first 2012 and every year on 
April first if I set an alarm for 4 in the 
morning, as I did when working she would say 
“your alarm is set but don’t wake me up!


BTW, my late husband was in the hospital which 
was why I was trying to wake him up so I could 
tell him something I had read after I had talked to him the evening before.


My other strange experience was asking Siri for 
directions to 56th Street and Washington in 
Phoenix, Arizona.  She gave me directions to 
Washington State instead, it was 400 miles 
away!  My cousin and I had to laugh.  By the 
way, her android phone did exactly the same thing!


Rose Combs
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A picture may be worth a thousand words but it 
takes up three times the memory!


From: 
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: SIRI HAS JUST IMPRESSED ME ...

Hey everyone,

Just wanted to tell you that Siri seriously 
impressed me today for the first time in a 
while.  I really stopped using him/her because 
things didn't seem to work well.  However, 
today I needed to remove a recurring event from 
my calendar (Fantastical) and didn't quite see 
how to do it!  IN the end, I asked Siri in the 
best way I knew how (can't remember exactly the 
wording I used) and, Siri did it!  I then said, 
"Thanks, Siri.  You did well," and I got a 
human-type response to that also!  


I do hope that Siri becomes easier to use and 
that we can express things in more ways, rather 
than having to learn so many of the ways to ask Siri to do something.


Carol P

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Re: effectively using braille screen input

[Devin Prater]

BSI? That sounds like some new training center. But I'll look on AppleVis and 
see if I can find the text guides, as I cannot stand to listen to the opening 5 
minutes of a podcast that just explains what the podcast is for. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 23, 2015, at 9:18 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
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> As Chris said, a two-finger flick down will translate what you have. If 
> you're interested, I did a text guide and podcast on BSI for AppleVis; I can 
> send the link if you want.
>> On Jul 23, 2015, at 2:30 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
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>> Hi all. I've started using braille screen input as my main way to enter text 
>> on the iPhone. So, does anyone have any suggestions on how to make this 
>> easier? I'm now on grade 2 input, and am mostly wondering how to have the 
>> system translate the text without me having to press space.  
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Re: App Accessibility and the ADA

[Eric Oyen]

does Microsoft do any better??? Honestly, the answer is no. The last time we 
got anything out of MS, it required a lawsuit. They are still a $45 Billion 
Dollar monster with lots of lawyers. Still, if enough of us can start bugging 
the software developers who make apps for MS (and OS X, iOS, Android and 
others), the more likely it is that something will get done.

-eric

On Jul 23, 2015, at 6:37 PM, Andy Baracco wrote:

> Does Microsoft do any better?
>  
> Andy
>  
> From: Mike Hingson
> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 12:30 PM
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> Cc: csma...@cogeco.ca
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> While some apps may be graphic by nature their controls need not be 
> inaccessible to blind persons. I believe Apple has not totally lived up to 
> its responsibility to insure as miuch app accessibility as it could. Leaving 
> this up to the developers is unrealistic and will ALWAYS keep us behind the 
> accessible curve.
> 
> On Tuesday, July 21, 2015 at 7:39:08 AM UTC-7, Chris Smart wrote:
> I'm not a US citizen, so forgive me if this question is ignorant.
> Does the ADA or any other US law compel app and other software developers to 
> make their products accessible?  I know the ADA applies to buildings and 
> such, but what about software?
> 
> I'm considering filing a report with the Better Business Bureau in the case 
> of one company, mostly to get their full attention. Obviously I'd like to 
> site any relevant legal frameworks if there are any.
> 
> Thanks for any info,
> 
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Re: App Accessibility and the ADA

[Eric Oyen]

well,
one of the things I have been doing with apps that I want to use but are 
inaccessible is to file a bug report via their appstore review page. THis has 
gotten the attention of at least a few vendors. The more of us that do this, 
the higher the noise for accessibility (and thus the faster they may react to 
it). If the app is totally inaccessible, giving it a rating star of only 1 and 
a comment to the effect that the app is not usable by a blind person might 
start getting their attention (especially if there are 100 or more reviews). 
The app developers will pay close attention to this (as a better rating often 
means more users).

Just a suggestion.

-eric

On Jul 23, 2015, at 5:21 PM, Devin Prater wrote:

> While Apple could force all apps to be accessible, I doubt app developers 
> would do such a good job with it as if they'd been able to make their apps 
> accessible under guidance of the people that accessibility would serve. I'm 
> talking mostly about apps like DiceWorld where the accessibility is amazing, 
> and the developers do it because they want to. .  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jul 23, 2015, at 2:30 PM, Mike Hingson  wrote:
> 
>> While some apps may be graphic by nature their controls need not be 
>> inaccessible to blind persons. I believe Apple has not totally lived up to 
>> its responsibility to insure as miuch app accessibility as it could. Leaving 
>> this up to the developers is unrealistic and will ALWAYS keep us behind the 
>> accessible curve.
>> 
>> On Tuesday, July 21, 2015 at 7:39:08 AM UTC-7, Chris Smart wrote:
>> I'm not a US citizen, so forgive me if this question is ignorant.
>> Does the ADA or any other US law compel app and other software developers to 
>> make their products accessible?  I know the ADA applies to buildings and 
>> such, but what about software?
>> 
>> I'm considering filing a report with the Better Business Bureau in the case 
>> of one company, mostly to get their full attention. Obviously I'd like to 
>> site any relevant legal frameworks if there are any.
>> 
>> Thanks for any info,
>> 
>> Chris
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Re: effectively using braille screen input

[Alex Hall]

As Chris said, a two-finger flick down will translate what you have. If you're 
interested, I did a text guide and podcast on BSI for AppleVis; I can send the 
link if you want.
> On Jul 23, 2015, at 2:30 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
> Hi all. I've started using braille screen input as my main way to enter text 
> on the iPhone. So, does anyone have any suggestions on how to make this 
> easier? I'm now on grade 2 input, and am mostly wondering how to have the 
> system translate the text without me having to press space.  
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RE: Siri seems to have dementia

[Neal Ewers]

Hi, point well taken. I am sure there are more likely ways of wording a 
question. However, if I put latitude and Madison Wisconsin in a Google web 
search, I will likely get the answer. The other words, in good database 
searches, are just so much filler. If I said, would you please give me the 
latitude of madison wisconsin, the key words for that search are still there. 
However, Apple is Apple, and it often lives in a different universe. Smile.
 
Neal
 
 
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Teresa Christian
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Who was it, Dave I think, mentioned about how you word things when asking Siri. 
That does seem to make a big difference.
 
Is there a podcast somewhere about how to work with Siri most effectively?
 
Teresa
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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Margaret Booth
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Subject: Re: Siri seems to have dementia
 
I don't have the same problems that you are having with Siri. When I ask Siri a 
question or want to open an app he either doesn't respond or apologises that 
the Internet isn't working. the Internet is working. I have to ask the question 
or when I'm wanting to open an app 

A couple of times. This doesn't happen all of the time. I can't wait for the 
upgrade as long as they fix Siri. 
 
Margaret 
Sent from my iPhone

On 24 Jul 2015, at 5:26 am, Neal Ewers mailto:neal.ew...@ravenswood.org> > wrote:
Hi all, I wonder if any of you have had the following problem. I have 
experienced a lot of situations where I will ask Siri a question and she will 
say that she doesn’t understand the question. It’s more specific than that. 
Here is an example.
I ask Siri, “What is the latitude of Madison Wisconsin?”
Siri says, “I don’t understand the latitude of Madison Wisconsin.” So she knows 
what I am asking, that is not where the breakdown occurs. I asked her this 
yesterday and twice she gave me the same answer using the exact same words I 
used in the question. On the third attempt, she gave me the answer.
 
So, what goes here. Is she becoming brain dead? Is three times the charm? This 
has also happened on other questions lately. She repeats the question so I know 
she understands and several attempts later, she will give me the answer. I’ll 
likely report this to Apple, but I wondered if anyone else had seen this 
problem.
 
Neal
 
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Re: App Accessibility and the ADA

[Andy Baracco]

Does Microsoft do any better?

Andy

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Subject: Re: App Accessibility and the ADA
While some apps may be graphic by nature their controls need not be 
inaccessible to blind persons. I believe Apple has not totally lived up to its 
responsibility to insure as miuch app accessibility as it could. Leaving this 
up to the developers is unrealistic and will ALWAYS keep us behind the 
accessible curve.

On Tuesday, July 21, 2015 at 7:39:08 AM UTC-7, Chris Smart wrote: 
  I'm not a US citizen, so forgive me if this question is ignorant.
  Does the ADA or any other US law compel app and other software developers to 
make their products accessible?  I know the ADA applies to buildings and such, 
but what about software?

  I'm considering filing a report with the Better Business Bureau in the case 
of one company, mostly to get their full attention. Obviously I'd like to site 
any relevant legal frameworks if there are any.

  Thanks for any info,

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iTunes question about using 32 bit or 64 bit download for windows

[Neal Ewers]

Hi, Do any of you who have 64 bit Windows systems use the 64 bit version of
iTunes? I ask because I have been using the 32 bit version in Windows 7 with
no problem. But I need to download to Windows 10. I know, you may not have
an answer for what Windows 10 takes, but I can't even find a 32 bit download
on Apple, perhaps because it knows what system I am running.
My problem is, I want to move my library to the new computer. So, if I
download a 64 bit version and try to merge a library from a 32 bit version,
I am not sure if it will work.
Any comments on using 32 or 64 bit will be appreciated.
 
Neal

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Re: Ear pieces and Microphones

[Andy Baracco]

Sherrie,

Do you use the ear pads? The ear pad will make the fit much more snug.

Andy


-Original Message- 
From: Sherrie

Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 8:32 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Ear pieces and Microphones

I, too, recently purchased the Plantronics Voyager Edge and I basically like
it.  I previously had the Blue Ant but as it got older it had a shorter and
shorter battery life and made odd clicks and such.
The only thing I don't like about the Edge is that it took me forever to
figure out how to get it to stay in my ear. The loop part has to be twisted
so that it sits  in the back part of the ear. At least that is what works
for me.  I never figured out how to attach the hook part over the ear so I
just use it stuck into my ear and it does occasionally fall out.
I like the answer or ignore feature.  This ear phone is also easier to use
with Siri than my old Blue Ant.  It just takes an extra second before
starting to talk or dictate.
It comes with a charger/carrying case to carry with you but you have to
twist the inner plastic ear tip to use it and you can't use it with the ear
hook attached. But it is handy to have if you are going to be out all day.
It says you get 6 hours of talk time and this is true, I think.  I use it to
listen to BARD books quite often so use a wired earphone or my old Blue Ant
as a backup for the 90 minutes it takes the Edge to recharge.
I do think I would recommend it although I really liked the real ear hook on
my Blue Ant much better as I sometimes worry that the Voyager Edge  will
fall out and I won't notice if it is on stand by and not actually talking.
HTH,
Sherrie Gosling


-Original Message- 
From: Cristóbal

Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 11:01 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Ear pieces and Microphones

I've tried out a bunch recently (Thank you Amazon for no hassle returns) and
have settled on the Plantronics Voyager Edge. Its got the shape of a house
key. Has three mics and a lot of other features. Some I turned off because I
don't care for them like caller ID since Voiceover already performs that
function and hands free answer/ignore as I found it to be on the flakey
side, but all in all, it's a very good earpiece and has provided the best
call quality. I tried other models like the Motorola H720, Plantronics M165,
Voyager Legend, M55 and wasn't convinced at all or not enough in comparison
to the Edge. It goes for around $95.00 on Amazon. Doing a simple search on
Amazon.com will bring it up right away.
There's an iOS app where you can change settings that for a few unlabeled
buttons is fully Voiceover accessible too.

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Hi:
I am looking for a comfortable and high quality Bluetooth earpiece
with microphone. I am also looking for headphones/micropone with only
one jack that performs both functions. Any suggestions would be
appreciated.

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RE: Ear pieces and Microphones

[Larry Lumpkin]

We bought the Plantronics Blackwire C310 and love it.


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Andy Baracco
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 8:21 PM
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If you want a single earpiece with mic, I would recommend the plantronics 
offerings, either the Voyager Edge or its older brother, the legend.

Andy


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Hi:
I am looking for a comfortable and high quality Bluetooth earpiece with 
microphone. I am also looking for headphones/micropone with only one jack that 
performs both functions. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

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Re: Ear pieces and Microphones

[Andy Baracco]

If you want a single earpiece with mic, I would recommend the plantronics 
offerings, either the Voyager Edge or its older brother, the legend.


Andy


-Original Message- 
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Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 6:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Ear pieces and Microphones

Hi:
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one jack that performs both functions. Any suggestions would be
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RE: App Accessibility and the ADA

[Rose Combs]

Well, the only game on Dice World that I once played was Yahtzee, the rest of 
them for me at least in practice mode are so confusing that I would never think 
of going online for them.  

But then, I am not an especially good computer gamer.  

 

 

Rose Combs

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A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the memory!

 

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Devin Prater
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 5:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: csma...@cogeco.ca
Subject: Re: App Accessibility and the ADA

 

While Apple could force all apps to be accessible, I doubt app developers would 
do such a good job with it as if they'd been able to make their apps accessible 
under guidance of the people that accessibility would serve. I'm talking mostly 
about apps like DiceWorld where the accessibility is amazing, and the 
developers do it because they want to. .  

Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 23, 2015, at 2:30 PM, Mike Hingson  wrote:

While some apps may be graphic by nature their controls need not be 
inaccessible to blind persons. I believe Apple has not totally lived up to its 
responsibility to insure as miuch app accessibility as it could. Leaving this 
up to the developers is unrealistic and will ALWAYS keep us behind the 
accessible curve.

On Tuesday, July 21, 2015 at 7:39:08 AM UTC-7, Chris Smart wrote:

I'm not a US citizen, so forgive me if this question is ignorant.
Does the ADA or any other US law compel app and other software developers to 
make their products accessible?  I know the ADA applies to buildings and such, 
but what about software?

I'm considering filing a report with the Better Business Bureau in the case of 
one company, mostly to get their full attention. Obviously I'd like to site any 
relevant legal frameworks if there are any.

Thanks for any info,

Chris

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camfind crashing

[Dan Beaver]

Hi,
Camfind as been crashing on my Iphone 5 for the past several months.  It used 
to work so well.  Is anyone else having this issue?

I am running IOS 8.4.

Dan Beaver

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Re: SIRI HAS JUST IMPRESSED ME ...

[Nancy Badger]

That's too funny LOL

Nancy Badger, Ph.D
Assistant Vice Chancellor, Student Services
UT Chattanooga
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> On Jul 23, 2015, at 8:38 PM, Marie  wrote:
> 
> 
> Ask Siri to divide zero by zero.
> Marie
>  
>  
> From: Rose Combs
> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 11:58 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: SIRI HAS JUST IMPRESSED ME ...
>  
> Honestly, I don’t use Siri a lot but when I have it has been generally good.  
> My truly funny experience was that one morning I dictated a message to my 
> late husband but I forgot to tell Seri to whom to send the “Are you awake, if 
> not why not!”  She came back with “Don’t wake me up! It is 4 in the morning 
> and I do not want to wake up. 
>  
> I did it on April first 2012 and every year on April first if I set an alarm 
> for 4 in the morning, as I did when working she would say “your alarm is set 
> but don’t wake me up! 
>  
> BTW, my late husband was in the hospital which was why I was trying to wake 
> him up so I could tell him something I had read after I had talked to him the 
> evening before. 
>  
> My other strange experience was asking Siri for directions to 56th Street and 
> Washington in Phoenix, Arizona.  She gave me directions to Washington State 
> instead, it was 400 miles away!  My cousin and I had to laugh.  By the way, 
> her android phone did exactly the same thing! 
>  
> Rose Combs
> roseco...@q.com
> A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the 
> memory!
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 2:55 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: SIRI HAS JUST IMPRESSED ME ...
>  
> Hey everyone,
>  
> Just wanted to tell you that Siri seriously impressed me today for the first 
> time in a while.  I really stopped using him/her because things didn't seem 
> to work well.  However, today I needed to remove a recurring event from my 
> calendar (Fantastical) and didn't quite see how to do it!  IN the end, I 
> asked Siri in the best way I knew how (can't remember exactly the wording I 
> used) and, Siri did it!  I then said, "Thanks, Siri.  You did well," and I 
> got a human-type response to that also!  
>  
> I do hope that Siri becomes easier to use and that we can express things in 
> more ways, rather than having to learn so many of the ways to ask Siri to do 
> something.
>  
> Carol P
>  
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Re: SIRI HAS JUST IMPRESSED ME ...

[Marie]

Ask Siri to divide zero by zero.
Marie


From: Rose Combs 
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 11:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: SIRI HAS JUST IMPRESSED ME ...

Honestly, I don’t use Siri a lot but when I have it has been generally good.  
My truly funny experience was that one morning I dictated a message to my late 
husband but I forgot to tell Seri to whom to send the “Are you awake, if not 
why not!”  She came back with “Don’t wake me up! It is 4 in the morning and I 
do not want to wake up.  

 

I did it on April first 2012 and every year on April first if I set an alarm 
for 4 in the morning, as I did when working she would say “your alarm is set 
but don’t wake me up!  

 

BTW, my late husband was in the hospital which was why I was trying to wake him 
up so I could tell him something I had read after I had talked to him the 
evening before.  

 

My other strange experience was asking Siri for directions to 56th Street and 
Washington in Phoenix, Arizona.  She gave me directions to Washington State 
instead, it was 400 miles away!  My cousin and I had to laugh.  By the way, her 
android phone did exactly the same thing!  

 

Rose Combs

roseco...@q.com

A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the memory!

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 2:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: SIRI HAS JUST IMPRESSED ME ...

 

Hey everyone,

 

Just wanted to tell you that Siri seriously impressed me today for the first 
time in a while.  I really stopped using him/her because things didn't seem to 
work well.  However, today I needed to remove a recurring event from my 
calendar (Fantastical) and didn't quite see how to do it!  IN the end, I asked 
Siri in the best way I knew how (can't remember exactly the wording I used) 
and, Siri did it!  I then said, "Thanks, Siri.  You did well," and I got a 
human-type response to that also!  

 

I do hope that Siri becomes easier to use and that we can express things in 
more ways, rather than having to learn so many of the ways to ask Siri to do 
something.

 

Carol P

 

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ADT pulse app update has broken accessibility

[Sachin Pavithran]

Hello all, if you have not updated to the latest version of the ADT pulse app, 
I would recommend not to. So far it seems very inaccessible. If this is 
different for any of you please let me know how you have worked around it.

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Re: App Accessibility and the ADA

[Devin Prater]

While Apple could force all apps to be accessible, I doubt app developers would 
do such a good job with it as if they'd been able to make their apps accessible 
under guidance of the people that accessibility would serve. I'm talking mostly 
about apps like DiceWorld where the accessibility is amazing, and the 
developers do it because they want to. .  

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 23, 2015, at 2:30 PM, Mike Hingson  wrote:
> 
> While some apps may be graphic by nature their controls need not be 
> inaccessible to blind persons. I believe Apple has not totally lived up to 
> its responsibility to insure as miuch app accessibility as it could. Leaving 
> this up to the developers is unrealistic and will ALWAYS keep us behind the 
> accessible curve.
> 
>> On Tuesday, July 21, 2015 at 7:39:08 AM UTC-7, Chris Smart wrote:
>> I'm not a US citizen, so forgive me if this question is ignorant.
>> Does the ADA or any other US law compel app and other software developers to 
>> make their products accessible?  I know the ADA applies to buildings and 
>> such, but what about software?
>> 
>> I'm considering filing a report with the Better Business Bureau in the case 
>> of one company, mostly to get their full attention. Obviously I'd like to 
>> site any relevant legal frameworks if there are any.
>> 
>> Thanks for any info,
>> 
>> Chris
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RE: Siri seems to have dementia

[SSEric]

Really! I would think they only have today.

 

 

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Teresa Christian
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 5:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri seems to have dementia

 

Well, folks with dementia do have their good days and bad days, lol.

 

 

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Of SSEric
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 2:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri seems to have dementia

 

Ijust asked for the latitudes of Madison, Wisconsin; Columbus, Ohio and
Savannah, Georgia. All three were reported on the first try.

 

 

 

  _  

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Rose Combs
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 4:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri seems to have dementia

 

What should I be looking for when searching for the Google app.  Last time I
had anything but search on my phone it did not work.  That was, however
probably in 2012, and I probably loaded it from the hospital while visiting
and did not pay as much attention as it needed.  

 

 

Rose Combs

roseco...@q.com

A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the
memory!

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Alan Lemly
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 1:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri seems to have dementia

 

Neal,

 

I find Siri unpredictable and inconsistent and in my opinion, if you want to
discourage folks from using a technological advancement, that's the way to
do it. I asked the Google app your Madison latitude question and got an
immediate answer.

 

I pretty much depend on Google if I need information and use Siri to do
things like initiate phone calls to contacts or to open apps. She's pretty
consistent with those sort of things.

 

Alan Lemly

 

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Of Neal Ewers
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 2:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Siri seems to have dementia

 

Hi all, I wonder if any of you have had the following problem. I have
experienced a lot of situations where I will ask Siri a question and she
will say that she doesn't understand the question. It's more specific than
that. Here is an example.

I ask Siri, "What is the latitude of Madison Wisconsin?"

Siri says, "I don't understand the latitude of Madison Wisconsin." So she
knows what I am asking, that is not where the breakdown occurs. I asked her
this yesterday and twice she gave me the same answer using the exact same
words I used in the question. On the third attempt, she gave me the answer.

 

So, what goes here. Is she becoming brain dead? Is three times the charm?
This has also happened on other questions lately. She repeats the question
so I know she understands and several attempts later, she will give me the
answer. I'll likely report this to Apple, but I wondered if anyone else had
seen this problem.

 

Neal

 

 

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RE: Siri seems to have dementia

[Neal Ewers]

Perhaps she is prejudice against people who live in Madison. I just asked her 4 
times before getting the right answer. She did repeat the same question back to 
me, so she understood. Someone suggested possibly a busy server. Normally I 
have been told when this is the case, but I guess it is possible that this 
might be one way for apple to parce server time without telling you that the 
server is busy. Don’t know.
 
Neal
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
SSEric
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 4:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri seems to have dementia
 
Ijust asked for the latitudes of Madison, Wisconsin; Columbus, Ohio and 
Savannah, Georgia. All three were reported on the first try.
 
 
 
  _  

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rose Combs
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 4:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Siri seems to have dementia
 
What should I be looking for when searching for the Google app.  Last time I 
had anything but search on my phone it did not work.  That was, however 
probably in 2012, and I probably loaded it from the hospital while visiting and 
did not pay as much attention as it needed.  
 
 
Rose Combs
roseco...@q.com  
A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the memory!
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan Lemly
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 1:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Siri seems to have dementia
 
Neal,
 
I find Siri unpredictable and inconsistent and in my opinion, if you want to 
discourage folks from using a technological advancement, that's the way to do 
it. I asked the Google app your Madison latitude question and got an immediate 
answer.
 
I pretty much depend on Google if I need information and use Siri to do things 
like initiate phone calls to contacts or to open apps. She's pretty consistent 
with those sort of things.
 
Alan Lemly
 
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Neal Ewers
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 2:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Siri seems to have dementia
 
Hi all, I wonder if any of you have had the following problem. I have 
experienced a lot of situations where I will ask Siri a question and she will 
say that she doesn’t understand the question. It’s more specific than that. 
Here is an example.
I ask Siri, “What is the latitude of Madison Wisconsin?”
Siri says, “I don’t understand the latitude of Madison Wisconsin.” So she knows 
what I am asking, that is not where the breakdown occurs. I asked her this 
yesterday and twice she gave me the same answer using the exact same words I 
used in the question. On the third attempt, she gave me the answer.
 
So, what goes here. Is she becoming brain dead? Is three times the charm? This 
has also happened on other questions lately. She repeats the question so I know 
she understands and several attempts later, she will give me the answer. I’ll 
likely report this to Apple, but I wondered if anyone else had seen this 
problem.
 
Neal
 
 
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RE: What's the most efficient way to set a calendar event with alerts?

[Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.]

Wow! That's fantastic. Many thanks. Keith


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Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 6:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: What's the most efficient way to set a calendar event with alerts?

Keith,
I just opened Fantastical 2 double tapped on new event.
Did the two finger double tap and dictated the following:
"Dr. Test july 27 at 9 AM alert 30 minutes" 
Then I double tapped on the add button.
The event was correctly created with an alert of 30 minutes before.
HTH
Richard




> On Jul 23, 2015, at 1:19 PM, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I can set Calendar events with alerts manually. It's a little cumbersome, but 
> certainly do-able.
> 
> I can set Calendar events without alerts using Siri, and then go in and add 
> alerts manually, but that, too, is a little cumbersome.
> 
> I haven't figured out if there is a way to add Calendar events with alerts 
> using Siri, or some other means that is less cumbersome than the manual 
> methods above.
> 
> Is there any way to do this and save a few steps. I make a fair number of 
> Calendar events and benefit a lot from the alerts, so a little bit of extra 
> efficiency would be welcome.
> 
> Thanks in advance, Keith
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Re: What's the most efficient way to set a calendar event with alerts?

[Richard Turner]

Keith,
I just opened Fantastical 2 double tapped on new event.
Did the two finger double tap and dictated the following:
"Dr. Test july 27 at 9 AM alert 30 minutes" 
Then I double tapped on the add button.
The event was correctly created with an alert of 30 minutes before.
HTH
Richard




> On Jul 23, 2015, at 1:19 PM, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I can set Calendar events with alerts manually. It's a little cumbersome, but 
> certainly do-able.
> 
> I can set Calendar events without alerts using Siri, and then go in and add 
> alerts manually, but that, too, is a little cumbersome.
> 
> I haven't figured out if there is a way to add Calendar events with alerts 
> using Siri, or some other means that is less cumbersome than the manual 
> methods above.
> 
> Is there any way to do this and save a few steps. I make a fair number of 
> Calendar events and benefit a lot from the alerts, so a little bit of extra 
> efficiency would be welcome.
> 
> Thanks in advance, Keith
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Re: Siri seems to have dementia

[Richard Turner]

I just asked for the lattitude of Portland Oregon and got it on the first try.
I then asked for the lattitude of Madison and got the weather.
I then tried Seattle WA, and also got the weather.
Inconsistancy seems to be the Siri standard.
Richard




> On Jul 23, 2015, at 2:03 PM, SSEric  wrote:
> 
> Ijust asked for the latitudes of Madison, Wisconsin; Columbus, Ohio and 
> Savannah, Georgia. All three were reported on the first try.
>  
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Rose Combs
> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 4:31 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Siri seems to have dementia
>  
> What should I be looking for when searching for the Google app.  Last time I 
> had anything but search on my phone it did not work.  That was, however 
> probably in 2012, and I probably loaded it from the hospital while visiting 
> and did not pay as much attention as it needed. 
>  
>  
> Rose Combs
> roseco...@q.com
> A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the 
> memory!
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Alan Lemly
> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 1:29 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Siri seems to have dementia
>  
> Neal,
>  
> I find Siri unpredictable and inconsistent and in my opinion, if you want to 
> discourage folks from using a technological advancement, that's the way to do 
> it. I asked the Google app your Madison latitude question and got an 
> immediate answer.
>  
> I pretty much depend on Google if I need information and use Siri to do 
> things like initiate phone calls to contacts or to open apps. She's pretty 
> consistent with those sort of things.
>  
> Alan Lemly
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Neal Ewers
> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 2:27 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Siri seems to have dementia
>  
> Hi all, I wonder if any of you have had the following problem. I have 
> experienced a lot of situations where I will ask Siri a question and she will 
> say that she doesn’t understand the question. It’s more specific than that. 
> Here is an example.
> I ask Siri, “What is the latitude of Madison Wisconsin?”
> Siri says, “I don’t understand the latitude of Madison Wisconsin.” So she 
> knows what I am asking, that is not where the breakdown occurs. I asked her 
> this yesterday and twice she gave me the same answer using the exact same 
> words I used in the question. On the third attempt, she gave me the answer.
>  
> So, what goes here. Is she becoming brain dead? Is three times the charm? 
> This has also happened on other questions lately. She repeats the question so 
> I know she understands and several attempts later, she will give me the 
> answer. I’ll likely report this to Apple, but I wondered if anyone else had 
> seen this problem.
>  
> Neal
>  
>  
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Re: SIRI HAS JUST IMPRESSED ME ...

[Kerri G]

that is interesting. I barely use it since I dislike talk to text but that is 
good, thanks.
> On Jul 23, 2015, at 2:55 AM, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hey everyone,
>  
> Just wanted to tell you that Siri seriously impressed me today for the first 
> time in a while.  I really stopped using him/her because things didn't seem 
> to work well.  However, today I needed to remove a recurring event from my 
> calendar (Fantastical) and didn't quite see how to do it!  IN the end, I 
> asked Siri in the best way I knew how (can't remember exactly the wording I 
> used) and, Siri did it!  I then said, "Thanks, Siri.  You did well," and I 
> got a human-type response to that also!  
>  
> I do hope that Siri becomes easier to use and that we can express things in 
> more ways, rather than having to learn so many of the ways to ask Siri to do 
> something.
>  
> Carol P
>  
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Re: Siri seems to have dementia

[Kerri G]

Yes it makes sense for a server to be busy but it’s happening quit often, ever 
since iOS *.4.
> On Jul 23, 2015, at 1:01 PM, Rose Combs  wrote:
> 
> Yes, occasionally, I assume that the Siri server is very busy at these times 
> but I could be totally wrong. 
>  
>  
> Rose Combs
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> A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the 
> memory!
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Neal Ewers
> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 12:27 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Siri seems to have dementia
>  
> Hi all, I wonder if any of you have had the following problem. I have 
> experienced a lot of situations where I will ask Siri a question and she will 
> say that she doesn’t understand the question. It’s more specific than that. 
> Here is an example.
> I ask Siri, “What is the latitude of Madison Wisconsin?”
> Siri says, “I don’t understand the latitude of Madison Wisconsin.” So she 
> knows what I am asking, that is not where the breakdown occurs. I asked her 
> this yesterday and twice she gave me the same answer using the exact same 
> words I used in the question. On the third attempt, she gave me the answer.
>  
> So, what goes here. Is she becoming brain dead? Is three times the charm? 
> This has also happened on other questions lately. She repeats the question so 
> I know she understands and several attempts later, she will give me the 
> answer. I’ll likely report this to Apple, but I wondered if anyone else had 
> seen this problem.
>  
> Neal
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Re: Siri seems to have dementia

[Kerri G]

Hello. Yes, I just asked her what is the attitude of Madison wisconsin and it 
took me  attempts to get her to figure it out. I’ve also had issue where I 
asked for a phone number and she said “I seem to have cut you off” and I had to 
repeat the question.
> On Jul 23, 2015, at 12:26 PM, Neal Ewers  wrote:
> 
> Hi all, I wonder if any of you have had the following problem. I have 
> experienced a lot of situations where I will ask Siri a question and she will 
> say that she doesn’t understand the question. It’s more specific than that. 
> Here is an example.
> I ask Siri, “What is the latitude of Madison Wisconsin?”
> Siri says, “I don’t understand the latitude of Madison Wisconsin.” So she 
> knows what I am asking, that is not where the breakdown occurs. I asked her 
> this yesterday and twice she gave me the same answer using the exact same 
> words I used in the question. On the third attempt, she gave me the answer.
>  
> So, what goes here. Is she becoming brain dead? Is three times the charm? 
> This has also happened on other questions lately. She repeats the question so 
> I know she understands and several attempts later, she will give me the 
> answer. I’ll likely report this to Apple, but I wondered if anyone else had 
> seen this problem.
>  
> Neal
>  
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deleting all songs and albums from iphone and ICloud

[Jeremy Gilley]

As the subject says, how can I do this?

I hate to think I have to delete them all individually.

I have over 3k songs on my phone.

I want to completely clear everything out with one shot.

Including the songs on the ICloud. empty everything out.

Thanks in advance.

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Re: How do I make Apple Music play more than one Bluegrass song?

[Paul Ferrara]

The other option is to ask siri to play a bluegrass song you like and then 
tap more and create a station.


Paul

-Original Message- 
From: Terje Strømberg

Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 6:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: Terje Strømberg
Subject: Re: How do I make Apple Music play more than one Bluegrass song?

I don’t know, but try the «for you» tab at the bottom left. Country and 
Blues are the closest maybe.


Take care

23. juli 2015 kl. 13:43 skrev Kevin Minor :

Hi.

I’ve been up a while looking at old email, and I decided to let Apple Music 
play some music for me.  I decided I wanted to hear Bluegrass, so I 
activated Siri on my iPhone and told it to play Bluegrass music.  I heard 
Rockytop, which is a nice song, but that was all I heard.  It played the 
song once, then nothing.  I then told Siri “Play Bluegrass”, and I heard 
Rockytop again, then nothing.  How do I get Apple Music to play more 
Bluegrass?


Thanks in advance for any ideas.

Kevin Minor, Lexington, KY

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Re: How do I make Apple Music play more than one Bluegrass song?

[Terje Strømberg]

I don’t know, but try the «for you» tab at the bottom left. Country and Blues 
are the closest maybe.

Take care

23. juli 2015 kl. 13:43 skrev Kevin Minor :

Hi.
 
I’ve been up a while looking at old email, and I decided to let Apple Music 
play some music for me.  I decided I wanted to hear Bluegrass, so I activated 
Siri on my iPhone and told it to play Bluegrass music.  I heard Rockytop, which 
is a nice song, but that was all I heard.  It played the song once, then 
nothing.  I then told Siri “Play Bluegrass”, and I heard Rockytop again, then 
nothing.  How do I get Apple Music to play more Bluegrass?
 
Thanks in advance for any ideas.
 
Kevin Minor, Lexington, KY

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RE: Siri seems to have dementia

[Teresa Christian]

Who was it, Dave I think, mentioned about how you word things when asking Siri. 
That does seem to make a big difference.

 

Is there a podcast somewhere about how to work with Siri most effectively?

 

Teresa

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Margaret Booth
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 2:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri seems to have dementia

 

I don't have the same problems that you are having with Siri. When I ask Siri a 
question or want to open an app he either doesn't respond or apologises that 
the Internet isn't working. the Internet is working. I have to ask the question 
or when I'm wanting to open an app 

A couple of times. This doesn't happen all of the time. I can't wait for the 
upgrade as long as they fix Siri. 

 

Margaret 

Sent from my iPhone


On 24 Jul 2015, at 5:26 am, Neal Ewers mailto:neal.ew...@ravenswood.org> > wrote:

Hi all, I wonder if any of you have had the following problem. I have 
experienced a lot of situations where I will ask Siri a question and she will 
say that she doesn’t understand the question. It’s more specific than that. 
Here is an example.

I ask Siri, “What is the latitude of Madison Wisconsin?”

Siri says, “I don’t understand the latitude of Madison Wisconsin.” So she knows 
what I am asking, that is not where the breakdown occurs. I asked her this 
yesterday and twice she gave me the same answer using the exact same words I 
used in the question. On the third attempt, she gave me the answer.

 

So, what goes here. Is she becoming brain dead? Is three times the charm? This 
has also happened on other questions lately. She repeats the question so I know 
she understands and several attempts later, she will give me the answer. I’ll 
likely report this to Apple, but I wondered if anyone else had seen this 
problem.

 

Neal

 

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Re: Siri seems to have dementia

[Margaret Booth]

I don't have the same problems that you are having with Siri. When I ask Siri a 
question or want to open an app he either doesn't respond or apologises that 
the Internet isn't working. the Internet is working. I have to ask the question 
or when I'm wanting to open an app 

A couple of times. This doesn't happen all of the time. I can't wait for the 
upgrade as long as they fix Siri. 

Margaret 
Sent from my iPhone

> On 24 Jul 2015, at 5:26 am, Neal Ewers  wrote:
> 
> Hi all, I wonder if any of you have had the following problem. I have 
> experienced a lot of situations where I will ask Siri a question and she will 
> say that she doesn’t understand the question. It’s more specific than that. 
> Here is an example.
> I ask Siri, “What is the latitude of Madison Wisconsin?”
> Siri says, “I don’t understand the latitude of Madison Wisconsin.” So she 
> knows what I am asking, that is not where the breakdown occurs. I asked her 
> this yesterday and twice she gave me the same answer using the exact same 
> words I used in the question. On the third attempt, she gave me the answer.
>  
> So, what goes here. Is she becoming brain dead? Is three times the charm? 
> This has also happened on other questions lately. She repeats the question so 
> I know she understands and several attempts later, she will give me the 
> answer. I’ll likely report this to Apple, but I wondered if anyone else had 
> seen this problem.
>  
> Neal
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Re: Siri seems to have dementia

[Dave Mitchel]

I had the same results. did you ask: at what latitude...that is how I received 
the results the first time. 

I think if  person asks, what is the latitude...it is asked improperly. 
oh well, semantics! lol 

From: SSEric 
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 2:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Siri seems to have dementia

Ijust asked for the latitudes of Madison, Wisconsin; Columbus, Ohio and 
Savannah, Georgia. All three were reported on the first try.

 

 

 




From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rose Combs
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 4:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri seems to have dementia

 

What should I be looking for when searching for the Google app.  Last time I 
had anything but search on my phone it did not work.  That was, however 
probably in 2012, and I probably loaded it from the hospital while visiting and 
did not pay as much attention as it needed.  

 

 

Rose Combs

roseco...@q.com

A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the memory!

 

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Alan Lemly
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 1:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri seems to have dementia

 

Neal,

 

I find Siri unpredictable and inconsistent and in my opinion, if you want to 
discourage folks from using a technological advancement, that's the way to do 
it. I asked the Google app your Madison latitude question and got an immediate 
answer.

 

I pretty much depend on Google if I need information and use Siri to do things 
like initiate phone calls to contacts or to open apps. She's pretty consistent 
with those sort of things.

 

Alan Lemly

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Neal Ewers
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 2:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Siri seems to have dementia

 

Hi all, I wonder if any of you have had the following problem. I have 
experienced a lot of situations where I will ask Siri a question and she will 
say that she doesn’t understand the question. It’s more specific than that. 
Here is an example.

I ask Siri, “What is the latitude of Madison Wisconsin?”

Siri says, “I don’t understand the latitude of Madison Wisconsin.” So she knows 
what I am asking, that is not where the breakdown occurs. I asked her this 
yesterday and twice she gave me the same answer using the exact same words I 
used in the question. On the third attempt, she gave me the answer.

 

So, what goes here. Is she becoming brain dead? Is three times the charm? This 
has also happened on other questions lately. She repeats the question so I know 
she understands and several attempts later, she will give me the answer. I’ll 
likely report this to Apple, but I wondered if anyone else had seen this 
problem.

 

Neal

 

 

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Re: Siri seems to have dementia

[Alan Lemly]

Rose, 

Just go to the Apps Store and select the search button and type Google and it 
will be the first result. 

Alan 


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 23, 2015, at 3:31 PM, Rose Combs  wrote:
> 
> What should I be looking for when searching for the Google app.  Last time I 
> had anything but search on my phone it did not work.  That was, however 
> probably in 2012, and I probably loaded it from the hospital while visiting 
> and did not pay as much attention as it needed. 
>  
>  
> Rose Combs
> roseco...@q.com
> A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the 
> memory!
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Alan Lemly
> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 1:29 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Siri seems to have dementia
>  
> Neal,
>  
> I find Siri unpredictable and inconsistent and in my opinion, if you want to 
> discourage folks from using a technological advancement, that's the way to do 
> it. I asked the Google app your Madison latitude question and got an 
> immediate answer.
>  
> I pretty much depend on Google if I need information and use Siri to do 
> things like initiate phone calls to contacts or to open apps. She's pretty 
> consistent with those sort of things.
>  
> Alan Lemly
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Neal Ewers
> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 2:27 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Siri seems to have dementia
>  
> Hi all, I wonder if any of you have had the following problem. I have 
> experienced a lot of situations where I will ask Siri a question and she will 
> say that she doesn’t understand the question. It’s more specific than that. 
> Here is an example.
> I ask Siri, “What is the latitude of Madison Wisconsin?”
> Siri says, “I don’t understand the latitude of Madison Wisconsin.” So she 
> knows what I am asking, that is not where the breakdown occurs. I asked her 
> this yesterday and twice she gave me the same answer using the exact same 
> words I used in the question. On the third attempt, she gave me the answer.
>  
> So, what goes here. Is she becoming brain dead? Is three times the charm? 
> This has also happened on other questions lately. She repeats the question so 
> I know she understands and several attempts later, she will give me the 
> answer. I’ll likely report this to Apple, but I wondered if anyone else had 
> seen this problem.
>  
> Neal
>  
>  
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RE: Siri seems to have dementia

[Teresa Christian]

Well, folks with dementia do have their good days and bad days, lol.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
SSEric
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 2:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri seems to have dementia

 

Ijust asked for the latitudes of Madison, Wisconsin; Columbus, Ohio and 
Savannah, Georgia. All three were reported on the first try.

 

 

 

  _  

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rose Combs
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 4:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Siri seems to have dementia

 

What should I be looking for when searching for the Google app.  Last time I 
had anything but search on my phone it did not work.  That was, however 
probably in 2012, and I probably loaded it from the hospital while visiting and 
did not pay as much attention as it needed.  

 

 

Rose Combs

roseco...@q.com  

A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the memory!

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan Lemly
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 1:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Siri seems to have dementia

 

Neal,

 

I find Siri unpredictable and inconsistent and in my opinion, if you want to 
discourage folks from using a technological advancement, that's the way to do 
it. I asked the Google app your Madison latitude question and got an immediate 
answer.

 

I pretty much depend on Google if I need information and use Siri to do things 
like initiate phone calls to contacts or to open apps. She's pretty consistent 
with those sort of things.

 

Alan Lemly

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Neal Ewers
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 2:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Siri seems to have dementia

 

Hi all, I wonder if any of you have had the following problem. I have 
experienced a lot of situations where I will ask Siri a question and she will 
say that she doesn’t understand the question. It’s more specific than that. 
Here is an example.

I ask Siri, “What is the latitude of Madison Wisconsin?”

Siri says, “I don’t understand the latitude of Madison Wisconsin.” So she knows 
what I am asking, that is not where the breakdown occurs. I asked her this 
yesterday and twice she gave me the same answer using the exact same words I 
used in the question. On the third attempt, she gave me the answer.

 

So, what goes here. Is she becoming brain dead? Is three times the charm? This 
has also happened on other questions lately. She repeats the question so I know 
she understands and several attempts later, she will give me the answer. I’ll 
likely report this to Apple, but I wondered if anyone else had seen this 
problem.

 

Neal

 

 

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RE: Siri seems to have dementia

[SSEric]

Ijust asked for the latitudes of Madison, Wisconsin; Columbus, Ohio and
Savannah, Georgia. All three were reported on the first try.

 

 

 

  _  

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Rose Combs
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 4:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri seems to have dementia

 

What should I be looking for when searching for the Google app.  Last time I
had anything but search on my phone it did not work.  That was, however
probably in 2012, and I probably loaded it from the hospital while visiting
and did not pay as much attention as it needed.  

 

 

Rose Combs

roseco...@q.com

A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the
memory!

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Alan Lemly
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 1:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri seems to have dementia

 

Neal,

 

I find Siri unpredictable and inconsistent and in my opinion, if you want to
discourage folks from using a technological advancement, that's the way to
do it. I asked the Google app your Madison latitude question and got an
immediate answer.

 

I pretty much depend on Google if I need information and use Siri to do
things like initiate phone calls to contacts or to open apps. She's pretty
consistent with those sort of things.

 

Alan Lemly

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Neal Ewers
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 2:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Siri seems to have dementia

 

Hi all, I wonder if any of you have had the following problem. I have
experienced a lot of situations where I will ask Siri a question and she
will say that she doesn't understand the question. It's more specific than
that. Here is an example.

I ask Siri, "What is the latitude of Madison Wisconsin?"

Siri says, "I don't understand the latitude of Madison Wisconsin." So she
knows what I am asking, that is not where the breakdown occurs. I asked her
this yesterday and twice she gave me the same answer using the exact same
words I used in the question. On the third attempt, she gave me the answer.

 

So, what goes here. Is she becoming brain dead? Is three times the charm?
This has also happened on other questions lately. She repeats the question
so I know she understands and several attempts later, she will give me the
answer. I'll likely report this to Apple, but I wondered if anyone else had
seen this problem.

 

Neal

 

 

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RE: Siri seems to have dementia

[Rose Combs]

What should I be looking for when searching for the Google app.  Last time I 
had anything but search on my phone it did not work.  That was, however 
probably in 2012, and I probably loaded it from the hospital while visiting and 
did not pay as much attention as it needed.  

 

 

Rose Combs

  roseco...@q.com

A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the memory!

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Alan Lemly
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 1:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri seems to have dementia

 

Neal,

 

I find Siri unpredictable and inconsistent and in my opinion, if you want to 
discourage folks from using a technological advancement, that's the way to do 
it. I asked the Google app your Madison latitude question and got an immediate 
answer.

 

I pretty much depend on Google if I need information and use Siri to do things 
like initiate phone calls to contacts or to open apps. She's pretty consistent 
with those sort of things.

 

Alan Lemly

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Neal Ewers
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 2:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Siri seems to have dementia

 

Hi all, I wonder if any of you have had the following problem. I have 
experienced a lot of situations where I will ask Siri a question and she will 
say that she doesn’t understand the question. It’s more specific than that. 
Here is an example.

I ask Siri, “What is the latitude of Madison Wisconsin?”

Siri says, “I don’t understand the latitude of Madison Wisconsin.” So she knows 
what I am asking, that is not where the breakdown occurs. I asked her this 
yesterday and twice she gave me the same answer using the exact same words I 
used in the question. On the third attempt, she gave me the answer.

 

So, what goes here. Is she becoming brain dead? Is three times the charm? This 
has also happened on other questions lately. She repeats the question so I know 
she understands and several attempts later, she will give me the answer. I’ll 
likely report this to Apple, but I wondered if anyone else had seen this 
problem.

 

Neal

 

 

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RE: Battery pack - accessibility

[Rose Combs]

Yes, I do mean the iPhone app.  

 

 

Rose Combs

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Fazil
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 1:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Battery pack - accessibility

 

Do you mean Light Detector, the IPhone app?

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rose Combs
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 10:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Battery pack - accessibility

 

I have used Light Detector to see how many lights the battery pack has on.  

 

 

Rose Combs

roseco...@q.com

A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the memory!

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Andy Baracco
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2015 8:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Battery pack - accessiblilty

 

Not Alan, but i use the first method you mentioned. Unless you have one of 
those talking chargers, I don’t know what else you would do.

 

Andy

 

From: R Van Lant   

Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2015 8:31 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: RE: Battery pack - accessiblilty

So Alan,

With your battery pack, do you just go by recalling how many times you have 
charged your phone and recharge the pack after that, or do you have another 
method for knowing when to plug your pack back into the AC.  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Alan Lemly
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2015 3:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Battery pack - accessiblilty

 

I have the Anker Astro E1 5200mAh Ultra and like many of the smaller Anker 
external batteries, this one uses a series of four blue LED lights to indicate 
its charging status. Although this approach is not at all accessible, all you 
have to do is find out the charging time for a full cycle and keep track of how 
long you've had the external battery plugged in. It will charge faster when 
connected to an adapter plugged into a wall outlet as opposed to a computer's 
USB port. The nice thing about these Anker models is that when they are fully 
charged, they will automatically shut down. They also automatically turn on 
when your device is connected to them for charging.

 

Alan Lemly

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2015 11:00 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Battery pack - accessiblilty

 

The talking battery pack is an option if you don't need too much capacity. It 
wasn't sufficient for me when doing a lot of international travel, so I got a 
2 MHA Anker battery pack. That has an LCD displaying the percentage of 
charge. TapTapSee reads it for me every time.

Jonathan Mosen

Mosen Consulting

Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training

http://Mosen.org

 

On 22/07/2015, at 4:58 pm, R Van Lant  wrote:

 

I'm curious.  How do you all know if your battery pack has enough juice in it 
or is done charging?  I got one on a whim and, while I can just see the little 
lights that indicate the power level in the pack, I'm guessing I'll need a 
different battery pack when I eventually upgrade my phone and wonder how you 
handle this.  It was totally by fluke that mine has really bright little lights 
that I can get into my tunnel vision, but if the lights were red or some other 
kind of indicator, I don't think I could figure it out.



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RE: Siri seems to have dementia

[Alan Lemly]

Neal,

 

I find Siri unpredictable and inconsistent and in my opinion, if you want to
discourage folks from using a technological advancement, that's the way to
do it. I asked the Google app your Madison latitude question and got an
immediate answer.

 

I pretty much depend on Google if I need information and use Siri to do
things like initiate phone calls to contacts or to open apps. She's pretty
consistent with those sort of things.

 

Alan Lemly

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Neal Ewers
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 2:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Siri seems to have dementia

 

Hi all, I wonder if any of you have had the following problem. I have
experienced a lot of situations where I will ask Siri a question and she
will say that she doesn't understand the question. It's more specific than
that. Here is an example.

I ask Siri, "What is the latitude of Madison Wisconsin?"

Siri says, "I don't understand the latitude of Madison Wisconsin." So she
knows what I am asking, that is not where the breakdown occurs. I asked her
this yesterday and twice she gave me the same answer using the exact same
words I used in the question. On the third attempt, she gave me the answer.

 

So, what goes here. Is she becoming brain dead? Is three times the charm?
This has also happened on other questions lately. She repeats the question
so I know she understands and several attempts later, she will give me the
answer. I'll likely report this to Apple, but I wondered if anyone else had
seen this problem.

 

Neal

 

 

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RE: Siri seems to have dementia

[Rose Combs]

My cousin has a google app on her iPhone that seems to work better for her, not 
sure which it is or if it is accessible with VO.  I’d try it but since I am not 
sure exactly what it is, and since she had a grandson instill and set it up, I 
am on my own, I have not tried it yet.  I probably do not use Siri as much as 
many have.  She sets my alarm, timer, more than anything else.  

 

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 12:32 PM
To: 'viphone@googlegroups.com'
Subject: RE: Siri seems to have dementia

 

I’ve had a lot of trouble in this way with Siri. I hope it’s better when iOS 9 
comes around. I pretty much go to Google Now instead of Siri. Keith

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Neal Ewers
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 2:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Siri seems to have dementia

 

Hi all, I wonder if any of you have had the following problem. I have 
experienced a lot of situations where I will ask Siri a question and she will 
say that she doesn’t understand the question. It’s more specific than that. 
Here is an example.

I ask Siri, “What is the latitude of Madison Wisconsin?”

Siri says, “I don’t understand the latitude of Madison Wisconsin.” So she knows 
what I am asking, that is not where the breakdown occurs. I asked her this 
yesterday and twice she gave me the same answer using the exact same words I 
used in the question. On the third attempt, she gave me the answer.

 

So, what goes here. Is she becoming brain dead? Is three times the charm? This 
has also happened on other questions lately. She repeats the question so I know 
she understands and several attempts later, she will give me the answer. I’ll 
likely report this to Apple, but I wondered if anyone else had seen this 
problem.

 

Neal

 

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What's the most efficient way to set a calendar event with alerts?

[Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.]

Hi,

I can set Calendar events with alerts manually. It's a little cumbersome, but 
certainly do-able.

I can set Calendar events without alerts using Siri, and then go in and add 
alerts manually, but that, too, is a little cumbersome.

I haven't figured out if there is a way to add Calendar events with alerts 
using Siri, or some other means that is less cumbersome than the manual methods 
above.

Is there any way to do this and save a few steps. I make a fair number of 
Calendar events and benefit a lot from the alerts, so a little bit of extra 
efficiency would be welcome.

Thanks in advance, Keith

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RE: Battery pack - accessibility

[Fazil]

Do you mean Light Detector, the IPhone app?

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rose Combs
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 10:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Battery pack - accessibility

 

I have used Light Detector to see how many lights the battery pack has on.  

 

 

Rose Combs

roseco...@q.com

A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the memory!

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Andy Baracco
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2015 8:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Battery pack - accessiblilty

 

Not Alan, but i use the first method you mentioned. Unless you have one of 
those talking chargers, I don’t know what else you would do.

 

Andy

 

From: R Van Lant   

Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2015 8:31 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: RE: Battery pack - accessiblilty

So Alan,

With your battery pack, do you just go by recalling how many times you have 
charged your phone and recharge the pack after that, or do you have another 
method for knowing when to plug your pack back into the AC.  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Alan Lemly
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2015 3:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Battery pack - accessiblilty

 

I have the Anker Astro E1 5200mAh Ultra and like many of the smaller Anker 
external batteries, this one uses a series of four blue LED lights to indicate 
its charging status. Although this approach is not at all accessible, all you 
have to do is find out the charging time for a full cycle and keep track of how 
long you've had the external battery plugged in. It will charge faster when 
connected to an adapter plugged into a wall outlet as opposed to a computer's 
USB port. The nice thing about these Anker models is that when they are fully 
charged, they will automatically shut down. They also automatically turn on 
when your device is connected to them for charging.

 

Alan Lemly

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2015 11:00 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Battery pack - accessiblilty

 

The talking battery pack is an option if you don't need too much capacity. It 
wasn't sufficient for me when doing a lot of international travel, so I got a 
2 MHA Anker battery pack. That has an LCD displaying the percentage of 
charge. TapTapSee reads it for me every time.

Jonathan Mosen

Mosen Consulting

Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training

http://Mosen.org

 

On 22/07/2015, at 4:58 pm, R Van Lant  wrote:

 

I'm curious.  How do you all know if your battery pack has enough juice in it 
or is done charging?  I got one on a whim and, while I can just see the little 
lights that indicate the power level in the pack, I'm guessing I'll need a 
different battery pack when I eventually upgrade my phone and wonder how you 
handle this.  It was totally by fluke that mine has really bright little lights 
that I can get into my tunnel vision, but if the lights were red or some other 
kind of indicator, I don't think I could figure it out.



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RE: Siri seems to have dementia

[Rose Combs]

Yes, occasionally, I assume that the Siri server is very busy at these times 
but I could be totally wrong.  

 

 

Rose Combs

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Neal Ewers
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 12:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Siri seems to have dementia

 

Hi all, I wonder if any of you have had the following problem. I have 
experienced a lot of situations where I will ask Siri a question and she will 
say that she doesn’t understand the question. It’s more specific than that. 
Here is an example.

I ask Siri, “What is the latitude of Madison Wisconsin?”

Siri says, “I don’t understand the latitude of Madison Wisconsin.” So she knows 
what I am asking, that is not where the breakdown occurs. I asked her this 
yesterday and twice she gave me the same answer using the exact same words I 
used in the question. On the third attempt, she gave me the answer.

 

So, what goes here. Is she becoming brain dead? Is three times the charm? This 
has also happened on other questions lately. She repeats the question so I know 
she understands and several attempts later, she will give me the answer. I’ll 
likely report this to Apple, but I wondered if anyone else had seen this 
problem.

 

Neal

 

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Re: Siri seems to have dementia

[Terry-Ann Saurmann]

Siri must be a strong believer in that old saying, "The third time is the 
charm."  Terry

  - Original Message - 
  From: Neal Ewers 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 2:53 PM
  Subject: RE: Siri seems to have dementia


  Of course, there are things she just doesn’t know. But the examples I gave 
are things she obviously does know because she eventualy answers the question. 
I would just as soon she took longer to find the answer rather than making me 
ask the question 3 times.

  Neal

   

   

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Tim Emmons
  Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 2:51 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Siri seems to have dementia

   

  I’ve just started seeing it today after the latest beta release. I’ve got a 
report going in too but she doesn’t even get it after three here. It’s as if 
she’s got dementia and possibly some hard of hearing issues somewhere because 
at some times I think if she could she’d say, huh? Lol. I’m seeing it a lot 
here of late. Glad I’m not the only one and hope they fix this. Take care. 

On Jul 23, 2015, at 2:26 PM, Neal Ewers  wrote:

 

Hi all, I wonder if any of you have had the following problem. I have 
experienced a lot of situations where I will ask Siri a question and she will 
say that she doesn’t understand the question. It’s more specific than that. 
Here is an example.

I ask Siri, “What is the latitude of Madison Wisconsin?”

Siri says, “I don’t understand the latitude of Madison Wisconsin.” So she 
knows what I am asking, that is not where the breakdown occurs. I asked her 
this yesterday and twice she gave me the same answer using the exact same words 
I used in the question. On the third attempt, she gave me the answer.

 

So, what goes here. Is she becoming brain dead? Is three times the charm? 
This has also happened on other questions lately. She repeats the question so I 
know she understands and several attempts later, she will give me the answer. 
I’ll likely report this to Apple, but I wondered if anyone else had seen this 
problem.

 

Neal

 

 

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RE: Siri seems to have dementia

[Neal Ewers]

Of course, there are things she just doesn’t know. But the examples I gave are 
things she obviously does know because she eventualy answers the question. I 
would just as soon she took longer to find the answer rather than making me ask 
the question 3 times.
Neal
 
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Tim Emmons
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 2:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri seems to have dementia
 
I’ve just started seeing it today after the latest beta release. I’ve got a 
report going in too but she doesn’t even get it after three here. It’s as if 
she’s got dementia and possibly some hard of hearing issues somewhere because 
at some times I think if she could she’d say, huh? Lol. I’m seeing it a lot 
here of late. Glad I’m not the only one and hope they fix this. Take care. 
On Jul 23, 2015, at 2:26 PM, Neal Ewers mailto:neal.ew...@ravenswood.org> > wrote:
 
Hi all, I wonder if any of you have had the following problem. I have 
experienced a lot of situations where I will ask Siri a question and she will 
say that she doesn’t understand the question. It’s more specific than that. 
Here is an example.
I ask Siri, “What is the latitude of Madison Wisconsin?”
Siri says, “I don’t understand the latitude of Madison Wisconsin.” So she knows 
what I am asking, that is not where the breakdown occurs. I asked her this 
yesterday and twice she gave me the same answer using the exact same words I 
used in the question. On the third attempt, she gave me the answer.
 
So, what goes here. Is she becoming brain dead? Is three times the charm? This 
has also happened on other questions lately. She repeats the question so I know 
she understands and several attempts later, she will give me the answer. I’ll 
likely report this to Apple, but I wondered if anyone else had seen this 
problem.
 
Neal
 
 
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RE: Siri seems to have dementia

[Neal Ewers]

Yes, Google has been my go to for a while now, and Windows Cortana will only 
get better.
 
Neal
 
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
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Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 2:44 PM
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Subject: Re: Siri seems to have dementia
 
Yes, I have asked Siri a question which he is able to repeat verbatim back to 
me.  However, I don't assume that he understands the meaning of the question, 
but only that he can verbally repeat what I have said.  Hopefully one day Apple 
will be able to bring Siri up to par with other such creatures.  Terry
 
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Re: Siri seems to have dementia

[Tim Emmons]

I’ve just started seeing it today after the latest beta release. I’ve got a 
report going in too but she doesn’t even get it after three here. It’s as if 
she’s got dementia and possibly some hard of hearing issues somewhere because 
at some times I think if she could she’d say, huh? Lol. I’m seeing it a lot 
here of late. Glad I’m not the only one and hope they fix this. Take care. 
> On Jul 23, 2015, at 2:26 PM, Neal Ewers  wrote:
> 
> Hi all, I wonder if any of you have had the following problem. I have 
> experienced a lot of situations where I will ask Siri a question and she will 
> say that she doesn’t understand the question. It’s more specific than that. 
> Here is an example.
> I ask Siri, “What is the latitude of Madison Wisconsin?”
> Siri says, “I don’t understand the latitude of Madison Wisconsin.” So she 
> knows what I am asking, that is not where the breakdown occurs. I asked her 
> this yesterday and twice she gave me the same answer using the exact same 
> words I used in the question. On the third attempt, she gave me the answer.
>  
> So, what goes here. Is she becoming brain dead? Is three times the charm? 
> This has also happened on other questions lately. She repeats the question so 
> I know she understands and several attempts later, she will give me the 
> answer. I’ll likely report this to Apple, but I wondered if anyone else had 
> seen this problem.
>  
> Neal
>  
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Re: What are the benefits of having location services turned on?

[Wayne Merritt]

Location services are used by much more than just GPS. As mentioned
before, if you use Uber, Lyft or another taxi requesting service, they
need your location; if you like TuneIn Radio or iHeart Radio, and want
stations from your area to show up, that uses location services; if
you download an app for the nearest bus stop or transit location (such
as an airport), that uses your location; and the list goes on. In my
experience, many apps ask for your location but they don't all really
need your location. Often when they ask for your location they will
say something like, "Please allow (this app) to use your location
while you are using the app." If you choose allow, then your location
is used only when the app or one of its features has focus. If
however, the message about allow the app to use your location says
"... even if you are not using the app," then I would advise great
caution, since if you choose allow then that will drain your battery
over time with the location being used in the background, especially
if there are several aps always using your location. You can go into
the location services area of privacy settings, and control whether an
app has no access (never) while using the app, or always has access to
your location. Some apps do not offer the while using option, and
these I personally set to Never, unless I have an extremely good
reasonf or wanting that app to always have my location. In short, I
wouldn't turn off location services for everything by default, since I
want to get severe weather alerts from Dark Sky, tornado alerts from
the Tornado app, and other critical information such as that. But, I
don't need one or more apps using my location when I am not actually
using the app.

Hope that makes sense,
Wayne

On 7/23/15, 'RobH.' via VIPhone  wrote:
> I turned it off to all but the most obvious, like the gps apps,  and then
> set it to only be on on demand so to speak, not all the
> time.  I certainly took out adware that wants to send you location-targetted
> ads,  and various stuff like that.  You have to go
> through location services settings quite thoroughly.  Siri, Weather, and
> GPS, maybe the find my iPhone thing;  and that's it.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Daniel McGee" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 6:14 PM
> Subject: What are the benefits of having location services turned on?
>
>
> Hi all, besides the Obvious of using GPS services. I.E. Doodle maps or even
> apple maps. What du you gain from having location
> services turned on? The reason I ask, is because if there's nothing else I
> can gain from it, I'm thinking of switching it off
> because I don't really use GPS apps all that much.
>
> Look forward to hearing what else you use location services for.
>
> Thanks
>
> Daniel
>
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Re: Siri seems to have dementia

[Terry-Ann Saurmann]

Yes, I have asked Siri a question which he is able to repeat verbatim back to 
me.  However, I don't assume that he understands the meaning of the question, 
but only that he can verbally repeat what I have said.  Hopefully one day Apple 
will be able to bring Siri up to par with other such creatures.  Terry

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RE: What are the benefits of having location services turned on?

[Rose Combs]

Maybe it is because I am very recently not working, I turn on adds etc. so I 
know where to find things on sale.  However, my phone has been fairly quiet 
except for my bank app which sends me messages with almost any activity, per my 
choice, now that I am not in an office environment and living alone.  


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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 10:31 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: What are the benefits of having location services turned on?

I turned it off to all but the most obvious, like the gps apps,  and then set 
it to only be on on demand so to speak, not all the 
time.  I certainly took out adware that wants to send you location-targetted 
ads,  and various stuff like that.  You have to go 
through location services settings quite thoroughly.  Siri, Weather, and GPS, 
maybe the find my iPhone thing;  and that's it.
- Original Message - 
From: "Daniel McGee" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 6:14 PM
Subject: What are the benefits of having location services turned on?


Hi all, besides the Obvious of using GPS services. I.E. Doodle maps or even 
apple maps. What du you gain from having location 
services turned on? The reason I ask, is because if there's nothing else I can 
gain from it, I'm thinking of switching it off 
because I don't really use GPS apps all that much.

Look forward to hearing what else you use location services for.

Thanks

Daniel


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RE: an interesting dilemma with my phone

[Rose Combs]

Even if mine is on charge, I empty the app switcher every couple of days, and 
turn it completely off at least once a week.  I notice a slowdown even on the 6 
if I have a lot of apps open, once had 35 of them there, I don't care what they 
say, emptying it occasionally does help the speed of Voiceover anyway.  


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Subject: an interesting delimma with my phone

Well I did turn the phone off then on again.
So far it isn't shutting down apps, but I've only tried one.
Maybe that was all that was needed, I hope.
Thanks for everyone's help.  I never turn my phone off, it's lawyas on 
charge.
I just don't do it and I don't know why.
I guess I don't like it takes a while to come on again.
No patience, lol.
Patti

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Re: App Accessibility and the ADA

[Mike Hingson]

While some apps may be graphic by nature their controls need not be 
inaccessible to blind persons. I believe Apple has not totally lived up to 
its responsibility to insure as miuch app accessibility as it could. 
Leaving this up to the developers is unrealistic and will ALWAYS keep us 
behind the accessible curve.

On Tuesday, July 21, 2015 at 7:39:08 AM UTC-7, Chris Smart wrote:
>
>  I'm not a US citizen, so forgive me if this question is ignorant.
> Does the ADA or any other US law compel app and other software developers 
> to make their products accessible?  I know the ADA applies to buildings and 
> such, but what about software?
>
> I'm considering filing a report with the Better Business Bureau in the 
> case of one company, mostly to get their full attention. Obviously I'd like 
> to site any relevant legal frameworks if there are any.
>
> Thanks for any info,
>
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RE: Siri seems to have dementia

[Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.]

I’ve had a lot of trouble in this way with Siri. I hope it’s better when iOS 9 
comes around. I pretty much go to Google Now instead of Siri. Keith

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Neal Ewers
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 2:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Siri seems to have dementia

Hi all, I wonder if any of you have had the following problem. I have 
experienced a lot of situations where I will ask Siri a question and she will 
say that she doesn’t understand the question. It’s more specific than that. 
Here is an example.
I ask Siri, “What is the latitude of Madison Wisconsin?”
Siri says, “I don’t understand the latitude of Madison Wisconsin.” So she knows 
what I am asking, that is not where the breakdown occurs. I asked her this 
yesterday and twice she gave me the same answer using the exact same words I 
used in the question. On the third attempt, she gave me the answer.

So, what goes here. Is she becoming brain dead? Is three times the charm? This 
has also happened on other questions lately. She repeats the question so I know 
she understands and several attempts later, she will give me the answer. I’ll 
likely report this to Apple, but I wondered if anyone else had seen this 
problem.

Neal

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Siri seems to have dementia

[Neal Ewers]

Hi all, I wonder if any of you have had the following problem. I have
experienced a lot of situations where I will ask Siri a question and she
will say that she doesn't understand the question. It's more specific than
that. Here is an example.
I ask Siri, "What is the latitude of Madison Wisconsin?"
Siri says, "I don't understand the latitude of Madison Wisconsin." So she
knows what I am asking, that is not where the breakdown occurs. I asked her
this yesterday and twice she gave me the same answer using the exact same
words I used in the question. On the third attempt, she gave me the answer.
 
So, what goes here. Is she becoming brain dead? Is three times the charm?
This has also happened on other questions lately. She repeats the question
so I know she understands and several attempts later, she will give me the
answer. I'll likely report this to Apple, but I wondered if anyone else had
seen this problem.
 
Neal
 

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RE: Using the Dish Network App?

[Rose Combs]

Really, you could use the Direct app?  I have not tried it since about 2011, 
but I did not find it accessible, if it actually works and if you could provide 
setup instructions I would very much appreciate it.  Also, will it show 
programming info, such as what is on at 6 PM?  I am not a heavy TV watcher, 
however, part of that reason is I do not remember the channel lineup and cannot 
read the programming guide.  As to the DVR!  I have no clue how to do that, my 
late husband handled all that kind of thing until June of last year.  
Please tell me more!  
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Tom Cramer
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 7:57 AM
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Subject: Using the Dish Network App?

Hello,

I recently subscribed to Dish Network after having been with DirecTV.
Better deal.  One thing I loved about DirecTV was their app, because I
could record shows and control the DVR with the app.
Does anyone use the Dish Network app on their iPhone, and if so, how
easy is it to use?  What all will I be able to do with it?  If I can
record shows with it, will I be able to either watch those shows on
the iPhone or at least control the DVR with it?
Is anyone willing to write a short tutorial or something along those
lines because I know nothing about this stuff!
Thanks very much, and I'm thrilled we have a list like this to discuss
ideas and good apps.

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RE: An interesting dilemma with my phone

[Rose Combs]

Try a turning phone off and then on again!.  That said, the 4 S I had shortly 
after 8.0 was released did not do very well on may apps either.  I have a 6 
now.  


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Hi
A friend's 4s is even worse. It's breaking up on calls, jumping from earpiece 
to speaker and vice versa, she's upgrading to a 5s in a matter of weeks.


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> On 23 Jul 2015, at 15:28, Patti Johnson  wrote:
> 
> I was wondering if anybody had this problem, I think I know what may be going 
> on but not sure.
> I have a 4s, and when I open an app, the majority of the time it will close 
> on me.  No matter what app it is.
> I am connected to wifi, and nothing else is going on with that end of things, 
> such as tv, internet, etc; I have a braille display hooked up to the phone so 
> bluetooth is activated.
> I am just wondering if first of all my phone is beginning not to support 
> anything because it is a 4s; (it will not allow me to upgrade to the 8.4); 
> also wonder if I need to remove some apps, would that solve the problem.
> This does not happen with my ipad, by the way.
> And the phone is charged.
> So, do you all a gree with me that it may be time to get a new phone, I can't 
> say I want to, I don't like the changing things over process, getting 
> ringtones back on it, etc; but I am just thinking the phone has seen its 
> better days.  And the funny thing is I don't use it that much, not like a lot 
> of people do.
> 
> Patti
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RE: App Accessibility and the ADA

[Rose Combs]

Not possible, many games or mapping apps could not be accessible.  Be 
realistic, not everyone is going to want an accessible game just because we may 
want one.  


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Subject: Re: App Accessibility and the ADA

I'd like Apple to require apps to be completely accessible before the let them 
into the app store.

> On Jul 23, 2015, at 5:27 AM, Kelly Pierce  wrote:
> 
> to clarify Mary Ann's comments, The ADA does not mandate information
> or communications to be accessible in a specific format.  Mary Ann's
> comments could be applied to Braille as well.  The ADA requires
> communications to be accessible.  The format used for this
> accessibility depends on how effective the format is for access and
> the blind person's skills and needs.
> 
> Kelly
> 
>> On 7/22/15, Chris Smart  wrote:
>> thanks for that info Marianne.
>> 
>> At 10:58 AM 7/21/2015, you wrote:
>>> 
>>> Chris, there is no current or past legislation that requires apps to
>>> be accessible.  The NFB is working on making all programs that come
>>> into public schools or institutions of higher learning accessible but
>>> it hasn't fully happened yet.
>>> 
>>> On 7/21/15, Chris Smart
>>> <[?&cs=wh&v=b&to=csma...@cogeco.ca]csma...@cogeco.ca> wrote:
 I'm not a US citizen, so forgive me if this question is ignorant.
 Does the ADA or any other US law compel app and other software
 developers to
 make their products accessible?  I know the ADA applies to buildings and
 such, but what about software?
 
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RE: SIRI HAS JUST IMPRESSED ME ...

[Rose Combs]

Honestly, I don’t use Siri a lot but when I have it has been generally good.  
My truly funny experience was that one morning I dictated a message to my late 
husband but I forgot to tell Seri to whom to send the “Are you awake, if not 
why not!”  She came back with “Don’t wake me up! It is 4 in the morning and I 
do not want to wake up.  

 

I did it on April first 2012 and every year on April first if I set an alarm 
for 4 in the morning, as I did when working she would say “your alarm is set 
but don’t wake me up!  

 

BTW, my late husband was in the hospital which was why I was trying to wake him 
up so I could tell him something I had read after I had talked to him the 
evening before.  

 

My other strange experience was asking Siri for directions to 56th Street and 
Washington in Phoenix, Arizona.  She gave me directions to Washington State 
instead, it was 400 miles away!  My cousin and I had to laugh.  By the way, her 
android phone did exactly the same thing!  

 

Rose Combs

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Subject: SIRI HAS JUST IMPRESSED ME ...

 

Hey everyone,

 

Just wanted to tell you that Siri seriously impressed me today for the first 
time in a while.  I really stopped using him/her because things didn't seem to 
work well.  However, today I needed to remove a recurring event from my 
calendar (Fantastical) and didn't quite see how to do it!  IN the end, I asked 
Siri in the best way I knew how (can't remember exactly the wording I used) 
and, Siri did it!  I then said, "Thanks, Siri.  You did well," and I got a 
human-type response to that also!  

 

I do hope that Siri becomes easier to use and that we can express things in 
more ways, rather than having to learn so many of the ways to ask Siri to do 
something.

 

Carol P

 

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Re: effectively using braille screen input

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Two finger flick down.


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> On 23 Jul 2015, at 19:30, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
> Hi all. I've started using braille screen input as my main way to enter text 
> on the iPhone. So, does anyone have any suggestions on how to make this 
> easier? I'm now on grade 2 input, and am mostly wondering how to have the 
> system translate the text without me having to press space.  
> 
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effectively using braille screen input

[Devin Prater]

Hi all. I've started using braille screen input as my main way to enter text on 
the iPhone. So, does anyone have any suggestions on how to make this easier? 
I'm now on grade 2 input, and am mostly wondering how to have the system 
translate the text without me having to press space.  

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RE: Battery pack - accessibility

[Rose Combs]

I have used Light Detector to see how many lights the battery pack has on.  

 

 

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Andy Baracco
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2015 8:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Battery pack - accessiblilty

 

Not Alan, but i use the first method you mentioned. Unless you have one of 
those talking chargers, I don’t know what else you would do.

 

Andy

 

From: R Van Lant   

Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2015 8:31 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: RE: Battery pack - accessiblilty

So Alan,

With your battery pack, do you just go by recalling how many times you have 
charged your phone and recharge the pack after that, or do you have another 
method for knowing when to plug your pack back into the AC.  

 

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Alan Lemly
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2015 3:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Battery pack - accessiblilty

 

I have the Anker Astro E1 5200mAh Ultra and like many of the smaller Anker 
external batteries, this one uses a series of four blue LED lights to indicate 
its charging status. Although this approach is not at all accessible, all you 
have to do is find out the charging time for a full cycle and keep track of how 
long you've had the external battery plugged in. It will charge faster when 
connected to an adapter plugged into a wall outlet as opposed to a computer's 
USB port. The nice thing about these Anker models is that when they are fully 
charged, they will automatically shut down. They also automatically turn on 
when your device is connected to them for charging.

 

Alan Lemly

 

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Subject: Re: Battery pack - accessiblilty

 

The talking battery pack is an option if you don't need too much capacity. It 
wasn't sufficient for me when doing a lot of international travel, so I got a 
2 MHA Anker battery pack. That has an LCD displaying the percentage of 
charge. TapTapSee reads it for me every time.

Jonathan Mosen

Mosen Consulting

Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training

http://Mosen.org

 

On 22/07/2015, at 4:58 pm, R Van Lant  wrote:

 

I'm curious.  How do you all know if your battery pack has enough juice in it 
or is done charging?  I got one on a whim and, while I can just see the little 
lights that indicate the power level in the pack, I'm guessing I'll need a 
different battery pack when I eventually upgrade my phone and wonder how you 
handle this.  It was totally by fluke that mine has really bright little lights 
that I can get into my tunnel vision, but if the lights were red or some other 
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Re: What are the benefits of having location services turned on?

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I turned it off to all but the most obvious, like the gps apps,  and then set 
it to only be on on demand so to speak, not all the 
time.  I certainly took out adware that wants to send you location-targetted 
ads,  and various stuff like that.  You have to go 
through location services settings quite thoroughly.  Siri, Weather, and GPS, 
maybe the find my iPhone thing;  and that's it.
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Subject: What are the benefits of having location services turned on?


Hi all, besides the Obvious of using GPS services. I.E. Doodle maps or even 
apple maps. What du you gain from having location 
services turned on? The reason I ask, is because if there's nothing else I can 
gain from it, I'm thinking of switching it off 
because I don't really use GPS apps all that much.

Look forward to hearing what else you use location services for.

Thanks

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RE: What are the benefits of having location services turned on?

[Cristóbal]

Weather aps, Yelp, AroundMe, Retail Me Not, Amazon Local, Nextdoor, Uber/Lyft 
and so on. Just go through your apps individually and turn off the ones you 
don’t' need locations services for. You'll probably have an overall better 
experience that way instead of a blanket disabling of the service.


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Subject: What are the benefits of having location services turned on?

Hi all, besides the Obvious of using GPS services. I.E. Doodle maps or even 
apple maps. What du you gain from having location services turned on? The 
reason I ask, is because if there's nothing else I can gain from it, I'm 
thinking of switching it off because I don't really use GPS apps all that much. 

Look forward to hearing what else you use location services for. 

Thanks 

Daniel 


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What are the benefits of having location services turned on?

[Daniel McGee]

Hi all, besides the Obvious of using GPS services. I.E. Doodle maps or even 
apple maps. What du you gain from having location services turned on? The 
reason I ask, is because if there's nothing else I can gain from it, I'm 
thinking of switching it off because I don't really use GPS apps all that much. 

Look forward to hearing what else you use location services for. 

Thanks 

Daniel 


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an interesting delimma with my phone

[Patti Johnson]

Well I did turn the phone off then on again.
So far it isn't shutting down apps, but I've only tried one.
Maybe that was all that was needed, I hope.
Thanks for everyone's help.  I never turn my phone off, it's lawyas on 
charge.

I just don't do it and I don't know why.
I guess I don't like it takes a while to come on again.
No patience, lol.
Patti

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Re: An interesting delimma with my phone

['carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone]

My 4S upgraded fine, but I do have plenty of space on the 64G model.

Yes, it's a little slow now and occasionally crashes out where it didn't 
used to.


If you can get a new phone and want to, go ahead, I say.  However, note that 
the footprint of the iOS9 is supposed to be much smaller (take up less 
memory) and it may be that it will work better on the 4S.  I'm not rushing 
to get another tikll I see what happens with iOS9 and also the introduction 
of (hopefully) new gear in September/October.


Hope this might help.

Carol P

- Original Message - 
From: "Patti Johnson" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 3:28 PM
Subject: An interesting delimma with my phone


I was wondering if anybody had this problem, I think I know what may be
going on but not sure.
I have a 4s, and when I open an app, the majority of the time it will
close on me.  No matter what app it is.
I am connected to wifi, and nothing else is going on with that end of
things, such as tv, internet, etc; I have a braille display hooked up to
the phone so bluetooth is activated.
I am just wondering if first of all my phone is beginning not to support
anything because it is a 4s; (it will not allow me to upgrade to the
8.4); also wonder if I need to remove some apps, would that solve the
problem.
This does not happen with my ipad, by the way.
And the phone is charged.
So, do you all a gree with me that it may be time to get a new phone, I
can't say I want to, I don't like the changing things over process,
getting ringtones back on it, etc; but I am just thinking the phone has
seen its better days.  And the funny thing is I don't use it that much,
not like a lot of people do.

Patti

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Re: An interesting delimma with my phone

[curmudgeon]

hello patty
just thinking out loud, because i was having some of the same problems of apps 
closing or more correctly crashing 
i wonder if you have backed up the iphone to your computer .
i was deleting apps that seemed not to work any more but then i restored the 
iphone and 1. it put back the apps i deleted lol
and now they work 
good luck 
i hope you encripted backup so it puts all your setting in also 

On  Jul 23, 2015, at 7:28 AM, Patti Johnson  wrote:

I was wondering if anybody had this problem, I think I know what may be going 
on but not sure.
I have a 4s, and when I open an app, the majority of the time it will close on 
me.  No matter what app it is.
I am connected to wifi, and nothing else is going on with that end of things, 
such as tv, internet, etc; I have a braille display hooked up to the phone so 
bluetooth is activated.
I am just wondering if first of all my phone is beginning not to support 
anything because it is a 4s; (it will not allow me to upgrade to the 8.4); also 
wonder if I need to remove some apps, would that solve the problem.
This does not happen with my ipad, by the way.
And the phone is charged.
So, do you all a gree with me that it may be time to get a new phone, I can't 
say I want to, I don't like the changing things over process, getting ringtones 
back on it, etc; but I am just thinking the phone has seen its better days.  
And the funny thing is I don't use it that much, not like a lot of people do.

Patti

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Re: App Accessibility and the ADA

[Chris Smart]

except if Apple decides on this mandatory approach, will they then set a
minimum standard of accessibility that app developers will only barely
meet?  Meaning, we'll go from developers doing the right thing
because they want to, to developers doing the bare minimum so as not to
get in trouble?
At 06:52 AM 7/23/2015, you wrote:
I'd like Apple to require apps
to be completely accessible before the let them into the app
store.
> On Jul 23, 2015, at 5:27 AM, Kelly Pierce
 wrote:
> 
> to clarify Mary Ann's comments, The ADA does not mandate
information
> or communications to be accessible in a specific format.  Mary
Ann's
> comments could be applied to Braille as well.  The ADA
requires
> communications to be accessible.  The format used for this
> accessibility depends on how effective the format is for access
and
> the blind person's skills and needs.
> 
> Kelly
> 
>> On 7/22/15, Chris Smart  wrote:
>> thanks for that info Marianne.
>> 
>> At 10:58 AM 7/21/2015, you wrote:
>>> 
>>> Chris, there is no current or past legislation that requires
apps to
>>> be accessible.  The NFB is working on making all
programs that come
>>> into public schools or institutions of higher learning
accessible but
>>> it hasn't fully happened yet.
>>> 
>>> On 7/21/15, Chris Smart
>>>
<[?&cs=wh&v=b&to=csma...@cogeco.ca]csma...@cogeco.ca>
wrote:
 I'm not a US citizen, so forgive me if this question is
ignorant.
 Does the ADA or any other US law compel app and other
software
 developers to
 make their products accessible?  I know the ADA
applies to buildings and
 such, but what about software?
 
 I'm considering filing a report with the Better Business
Bureau in the
 case
 of one company, mostly to get their full attention.
Obviously I'd like
 to
 site any relevant legal frameworks if there are
any.
 
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Re: An interesting delimma with my phone

[Patti Johnson]

Oh it isn't, first thing I thought of, I always make sure the app 
switcher is clear, the majority of the time.

Patti
On 7/23/2015 12:21 PM, Wendy Alling wrote:

Patti, you might want to go in to the app switcher to make sure that all
apps are cleared out in case you have not done that in awhile.  Might be
part of the problem, just a thought.
Wendy



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RE: An interesting delimma with my phone

[Wendy Alling]

Patti, you might want to go in to the app switcher to make sure that all
apps are cleared out in case you have not done that in awhile.  Might be
part of the problem, just a thought.
Wendy

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RE: Ear pieces and Microphones

[Cristóbal]

Regarding the Edge, I use it two ways. If I know I'm going to be having it on 
for an extended duration, I.E. running errands or just out and about, I use the 
plastic earhook. If I'm at my desk working and want to quickly pop it in and 
flick it on to answer an incoming phone call or simply wish to use it real 
quick for something, I'll twist the plastic ear hook down and put it in my ear 
with just the earloop (I use the medium size loop). I've found this to give me 
a more stable and secure fit and it's never fallen out on me. Also, with the 
earhooktwisted down, it gives me a bit more seperation between the boom mic 
part of the Edge and my cheek. Kind of like a base or stand  so I don’t' sound 
muffled on the other end.

I can't recall the Edge falling out of my ear. Maybe give what I described 
above a try or use a different size earloop for a better fit.
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sherrie
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 8:33 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Ear pieces and Microphones

I, too, recently purchased the Plantronics Voyager Edge and I basically like 
it.  I previously had the Blue Ant but as it got older it had a shorter and 
shorter battery life and made odd clicks and such.
The only thing I don't like about the Edge is that it took me forever to 
figure out how to get it to stay in my ear. The loop part has to be twisted 
so that it sits  in the back part of the ear. At least that is what works 
for me.  I never figured out how to attach the hook part over the ear so I 
just use it stuck into my ear and it does occasionally fall out.
I like the answer or ignore feature.  This ear phone is also easier to use 
with Siri than my old Blue Ant.  It just takes an extra second before 
starting to talk or dictate.
It comes with a charger/carrying case to carry with you but you have to 
twist the inner plastic ear tip to use it and you can't use it with the ear 
hook attached. But it is handy to have if you are going to be out all day. 
It says you get 6 hours of talk time and this is true, I think.  I use it to 
listen to BARD books quite often so use a wired earphone or my old Blue Ant 
as a backup for the 90 minutes it takes the Edge to recharge.
I do think I would recommend it although I really liked the real ear hook on 
my Blue Ant much better as I sometimes worry that the Voyager Edge  will 
fall out and I won't notice if it is on stand by and not actually talking.
HTH,
Sherrie Gosling


-Original Message- 
From: Cristóbal
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 11:01 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Ear pieces and Microphones

I've tried out a bunch recently (Thank you Amazon for no hassle returns) and 
have settled on the Plantronics Voyager Edge. Its got the shape of a house 
key. Has three mics and a lot of other features. Some I turned off because I 
don't care for them like caller ID since Voiceover already performs that 
function and hands free answer/ignore as I found it to be on the flakey 
side, but all in all, it's a very good earpiece and has provided the best 
call quality. I tried other models like the Motorola H720, Plantronics M165, 
Voyager Legend, M55 and wasn't convinced at all or not enough in comparison 
to the Edge. It goes for around $95.00 on Amazon. Doing a simple search on 
Amazon.com will bring it up right away.
There's an iOS app where you can change settings that for a few unlabeled 
buttons is fully Voiceover accessible too.

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Of John Diakogeorgiou
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 6:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Ear pieces and Microphones

Hi:
I am looking for a comfortable and high quality Bluetooth earpiece
with microphone. I am also looking for headphones/micropone with only
one jack that performs both functions. Any suggestions would be
appreciated.

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Re: Ear pieces and Microphones

[Sherrie]

I, too, recently purchased the Plantronics Voyager Edge and I basically like 
it.  I previously had the Blue Ant but as it got older it had a shorter and 
shorter battery life and made odd clicks and such.
The only thing I don't like about the Edge is that it took me forever to 
figure out how to get it to stay in my ear. The loop part has to be twisted 
so that it sits  in the back part of the ear. At least that is what works 
for me.  I never figured out how to attach the hook part over the ear so I 
just use it stuck into my ear and it does occasionally fall out.
I like the answer or ignore feature.  This ear phone is also easier to use 
with Siri than my old Blue Ant.  It just takes an extra second before 
starting to talk or dictate.
It comes with a charger/carrying case to carry with you but you have to 
twist the inner plastic ear tip to use it and you can't use it with the ear 
hook attached. But it is handy to have if you are going to be out all day. 
It says you get 6 hours of talk time and this is true, I think.  I use it to 
listen to BARD books quite often so use a wired earphone or my old Blue Ant 
as a backup for the 90 minutes it takes the Edge to recharge.
I do think I would recommend it although I really liked the real ear hook on 
my Blue Ant much better as I sometimes worry that the Voyager Edge  will 
fall out and I won't notice if it is on stand by and not actually talking.

HTH,
Sherrie Gosling


-Original Message- 
From: Cristóbal

Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 11:01 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Ear pieces and Microphones

I've tried out a bunch recently (Thank you Amazon for no hassle returns) and 
have settled on the Plantronics Voyager Edge. Its got the shape of a house 
key. Has three mics and a lot of other features. Some I turned off because I 
don't care for them like caller ID since Voiceover already performs that 
function and hands free answer/ignore as I found it to be on the flakey 
side, but all in all, it's a very good earpiece and has provided the best 
call quality. I tried other models like the Motorola H720, Plantronics M165, 
Voyager Legend, M55 and wasn't convinced at all or not enough in comparison 
to the Edge. It goes for around $95.00 on Amazon. Doing a simple search on 
Amazon.com will bring it up right away.
There's an iOS app where you can change settings that for a few unlabeled 
buttons is fully Voiceover accessible too.


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Of John Diakogeorgiou

Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 6:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Ear pieces and Microphones

Hi:
I am looking for a comfortable and high quality Bluetooth earpiece
with microphone. I am also looking for headphones/micropone with only
one jack that performs both functions. Any suggestions would be
appreciated.

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Re: An interesting delimma with my phone

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Hi Patty, I would try restarting the phone, and possibly reseting it.  My
partner Aimee has a 16 gig 4S, and it works just fine.  You should have
no problem upgrading to IOS8.4.  

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Re: An interesting delimma with my phone

[Patti Johnson]

Oh dear.  Well at least mine isn't doing that but it looks like I will 
have to get a new phone in September.

Thanks,
Patti
On 7/23/2015 10:34 AM, christopher hallsworth wrote:

Hi
A friend's 4s is even worse. It's breaking up on calls, jumping from earpiece 
to speaker and vice versa, she's upgrading to a 5s in a matter of weeks.


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On 23 Jul 2015, at 15:28, Patti Johnson  wrote:

I was wondering if anybody had this problem, I think I know what may be going 
on but not sure.
I have a 4s, and when I open an app, the majority of the time it will close on 
me.  No matter what app it is.
I am connected to wifi, and nothing else is going on with that end of things, 
such as tv, internet, etc; I have a braille display hooked up to the phone so 
bluetooth is activated.
I am just wondering if first of all my phone is beginning not to support 
anything because it is a 4s; (it will not allow me to upgrade to the 8.4); also 
wonder if I need to remove some apps, would that solve the problem.
This does not happen with my ipad, by the way.
And the phone is charged.
So, do you all a gree with me that it may be time to get a new phone, I can't 
say I want to, I don't like the changing things over process, getting ringtones 
back on it, etc; but I am just thinking the phone has seen its better days.  
And the funny thing is I don't use it that much, not like a lot of people do.

Patti

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RE: Ear pieces and Microphones

[Cristóbal]

I've tried out a bunch recently (Thank you Amazon for no hassle returns) and 
have settled on the Plantronics Voyager Edge. Its got the shape of a house key. 
Has three mics and a lot of other features. Some I turned off because I don't 
care for them like caller ID since Voiceover already performs that function and 
hands free answer/ignore as I found it to be on the flakey side, but all in 
all, it's a very good earpiece and has provided the best call quality. I tried 
other models like the Motorola H720, Plantronics M165, Voyager Legend, M55 and 
wasn't convinced at all or not enough in comparison to the Edge. It goes for 
around $95.00 on Amazon. Doing a simple search on Amazon.com will bring it up 
right away.
There's an iOS app where you can change settings that for a few unlabeled 
buttons is fully Voiceover accessible too. 

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Hi:
I am looking for a comfortable and high quality Bluetooth earpiece
with microphone. I am also looking for headphones/micropone with only
one jack that performs both functions. Any suggestions would be
appreciated.

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Using the Dish Network App?

[Tom Cramer]

Hello,

I recently subscribed to Dish Network after having been with DirecTV.
Better deal.  One thing I loved about DirecTV was their app, because I
could record shows and control the DVR with the app.
Does anyone use the Dish Network app on their iPhone, and if so, how
easy is it to use?  What all will I be able to do with it?  If I can
record shows with it, will I be able to either watch those shows on
the iPhone or at least control the DVR with it?
Is anyone willing to write a short tutorial or something along those
lines because I know nothing about this stuff!
Thanks very much, and I'm thrilled we have a list like this to discuss
ideas and good apps.

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Re: An interesting delimma with my phone

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Hi
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> On 23 Jul 2015, at 15:28, Patti Johnson  wrote:
> 
> I was wondering if anybody had this problem, I think I know what may be going 
> on but not sure.
> I have a 4s, and when I open an app, the majority of the time it will close 
> on me.  No matter what app it is.
> I am connected to wifi, and nothing else is going on with that end of things, 
> such as tv, internet, etc; I have a braille display hooked up to the phone so 
> bluetooth is activated.
> I am just wondering if first of all my phone is beginning not to support 
> anything because it is a 4s; (it will not allow me to upgrade to the 8.4); 
> also wonder if I need to remove some apps, would that solve the problem.
> This does not happen with my ipad, by the way.
> And the phone is charged.
> So, do you all a gree with me that it may be time to get a new phone, I can't 
> say I want to, I don't like the changing things over process, getting 
> ringtones back on it, etc; but I am just thinking the phone has seen its 
> better days.  And the funny thing is I don't use it that much, not like a lot 
> of people do.
> 
> Patti
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An interesting delimma with my phone

[Patti Johnson]

I was wondering if anybody had this problem, I think I know what may be 
going on but not sure.
I have a 4s, and when I open an app, the majority of the time it will 
close on me.  No matter what app it is.
I am connected to wifi, and nothing else is going on with that end of 
things, such as tv, internet, etc; I have a braille display hooked up to 
the phone so bluetooth is activated.
I am just wondering if first of all my phone is beginning not to support 
anything because it is a 4s; (it will not allow me to upgrade to the 
8.4); also wonder if I need to remove some apps, would that solve the 
problem.

This does not happen with my ipad, by the way.
And the phone is charged.
So, do you all a gree with me that it may be time to get a new phone, I 
can't say I want to, I don't like the changing things over process, 
getting ringtones back on it, etc; but I am just thinking the phone has 
seen its better days.  And the funny thing is I don't use it that much, 
not like a lot of people do.


Patti

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Re: App Accessibility and the ADA

[Wayne Merritt]

It has been talked about for the last few years whether or not to
mandate that the web is a public place of where one can be
accommodated. I have read things from social media and other sources
that have hinted at the ADA being amended to include web
accessibility. So far as I know, this has not happened yet. Treating
the web as a public place makes sense but remember that the ADA was
signed in 1990, and the web did not really get rolling until a few
years after that. Until the ADA is amended to include websites as
public places and places where people with disabilities can get
reasonable accommodations, mobile apps will not fit into the ADA.
Since, in my humble opinion, web accessibility and mobile
accessibility are very close to each other.

Best,
Wayne

On 7/23/15, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> I agree, but I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss making some apps
> accessible that are seemingly impossible to make accessible. It wasn't
> that long ago that people thought touch screens were never going to be
> used by the blind.
>
> I think the original question was about using information to file a
> complaint with a particular app. I'd still suggest using the ADA and the
> accessibility standards. It's unclear to me when or if these standards
> will apply to apps, but you can make the case that this app developer
> might not want to take the chance. There's also the Rehabilitation Act,
> so if the developer ever wants this app used by an institution receiving
> US Federal funding then they would want to be accessible. Finally, there
> are Apple's accessibility guidelines themselves. I would include all of
> this myself and let the developer figure out if they're on the right
> side of the law, standards and guidelines.
>
> On 07/23/2015 07:07 AM, Andy Baracco wrote:
>> It's not so simple because there are apps, such as graphically based
>> games that could never be made accessible.
>>
>> Andy
>>
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Paul Hunt
>> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 3:52 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: App Accessibility and the ADA
>>
>> I'd like Apple to require apps to be completely accessible before the
>> let them into the app store.
>>
>>> On Jul 23, 2015, at 5:27 AM, Kelly Pierce  wrote:
>>>
>>> to clarify Mary Ann's comments, The ADA does not mandate information
>>> or communications to be accessible in a specific format.  Mary Ann's
>>> comments could be applied to Braille as well.  The ADA requires
>>> communications to be accessible.  The format used for this
>>> accessibility depends on how effective the format is for access and
>>> the blind person's skills and needs.
>>>
>>> Kelly
>>>
 On 7/22/15, Chris Smart  wrote:
 thanks for that info Marianne.

 At 10:58 AM 7/21/2015, you wrote:
>
> Chris, there is no current or past legislation that requires apps to
> be accessible.  The NFB is working on making all programs that come
> into public schools or institutions of higher learning accessible but
> it hasn't fully happened yet.
>
> On 7/21/15, Chris Smart
> <[?&cs=wh&v=b&to=csma...@cogeco.ca]csma...@cogeco.ca> wrote:
>> I'm not a US citizen, so forgive me if this question is ignorant.
>> Does the ADA or any other US law compel app and other software
>> developers to
>> make their products accessible?  I know the ADA applies to
>> buildings and
>> such, but what about software?
>>
>> I'm considering filing a report with the Better Business Bureau in
>> the
>> case
>> of one company, mostly to get their full attention. Obviously I'd
>> like
>> to
>> site any relevant legal frameworks if there are any.
>>
>> Thanks for any info,
>>
>> Chris
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Re: Battery pack - accessiblilty

[Alan Lemly]

I have enough vision that I can tell if the Anker LESs are all lighted or not. 
Also, I only need my Anker rarely so I will plug it up for a charging before 
hitting the road. 

Alan 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 22, 2015, at 10:31 PM, R Van Lant  wrote:
> 
> So Alan,
> With your battery pack, do you just go by recalling how many times you have 
> charged your phone and recharge the pack after that, or do you have another 
> method for knowing when to plug your pack back into the AC. 
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Alan Lemly
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> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Battery pack - accessiblilty
>  
> I have the Anker Astro E1 5200mAh Ultra and like many of the smaller Anker 
> external batteries, this one uses a series of four blue LED lights to 
> indicate its charging status. Although this approach is not at all 
> accessible, all you have to do is find out the charging time for a full cycle 
> and keep track of how long you've had the external battery plugged in. It 
> will charge faster when connected to an adapter plugged into a wall outlet as 
> opposed to a computer's USB port. The nice thing about these Anker models is 
> that when they are fully charged, they will automatically shut down. They 
> also automatically turn on when your device is connected to them for charging.
>  
> Alan Lemly
>  
> -Original Message-
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> Jonathan Mosen
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> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Battery pack - accessiblilty
>  
> The talking battery pack is an option if you don't need too much capacity. It 
> wasn't sufficient for me when doing a lot of international travel, so I got a 
> 2 MHA Anker battery pack. That has an LCD displaying the percentage of 
> charge. TapTapSee reads it for me every time.
> Jonathan Mosen
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>  
> On 22/07/2015, at 4:58 pm, R Van Lant  wrote:
>  
> I'm curious.  How do you all know if your battery pack has enough juice in it 
> or is done charging?  I got one on a whim and, while I can just see the 
> little lights that indicate the power level in the pack, I'm guessing I'll 
> need a different battery pack when I eventually upgrade my phone and wonder 
> how you handle this.  It was totally by fluke that mine has really bright 
> little lights that I can get into my tunnel vision, but if the lights were 
> red or some other kind of indicator, I don't think I could figure it out.
> 
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Ear pieces and Microphones

[John Diakogeorgiou]

Hi:
I am looking for a comfortable and high quality Bluetooth earpiece
with microphone. I am also looking for headphones/micropone with only
one jack that performs both functions. Any suggestions would be
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RE: Problems With the ADT Pulse App Update

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Re: App Accessibility and the ADA

[Christopher Chaltain]

I agree, but I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss making some apps 
accessible that are seemingly impossible to make accessible. It wasn't 
that long ago that people thought touch screens were never going to be 
used by the blind.


I think the original question was about using information to file a 
complaint with a particular app. I'd still suggest using the ADA and the 
accessibility standards. It's unclear to me when or if these standards 
will apply to apps, but you can make the case that this app developer 
might not want to take the chance. There's also the Rehabilitation Act, 
so if the developer ever wants this app used by an institution receiving 
US Federal funding then they would want to be accessible. Finally, there 
are Apple's accessibility guidelines themselves. I would include all of 
this myself and let the developer figure out if they're on the right 
side of the law, standards and guidelines.


On 07/23/2015 07:07 AM, Andy Baracco wrote:

It's not so simple because there are apps, such as graphically based
games that could never be made accessible.

Andy


-Original Message- From: Paul Hunt
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 3:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: App Accessibility and the ADA

I'd like Apple to require apps to be completely accessible before the
let them into the app store.


On Jul 23, 2015, at 5:27 AM, Kelly Pierce  wrote:

to clarify Mary Ann's comments, The ADA does not mandate information
or communications to be accessible in a specific format.  Mary Ann's
comments could be applied to Braille as well.  The ADA requires
communications to be accessible.  The format used for this
accessibility depends on how effective the format is for access and
the blind person's skills and needs.

Kelly


On 7/22/15, Chris Smart  wrote:
thanks for that info Marianne.

At 10:58 AM 7/21/2015, you wrote:


Chris, there is no current or past legislation that requires apps to
be accessible.  The NFB is working on making all programs that come
into public schools or institutions of higher learning accessible but
it hasn't fully happened yet.

On 7/21/15, Chris Smart
<[?&cs=wh&v=b&to=csma...@cogeco.ca]csma...@cogeco.ca> wrote:

I'm not a US citizen, so forgive me if this question is ignorant.
Does the ADA or any other US law compel app and other software
developers to
make their products accessible?  I know the ADA applies to
buildings and
such, but what about software?

I'm considering filing a report with the Better Business Bureau in the
case
of one company, mostly to get their full attention. Obviously I'd like
to
site any relevant legal frameworks if there are any.

Thanks for any info,

Chris

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Re: App Accessibility and the ADA

[Andy Baracco]

It's not so simple because there are apps, such as graphically based games 
that could never be made accessible.


Andy


-Original Message- 
From: Paul Hunt

Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 3:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: App Accessibility and the ADA

I'd like Apple to require apps to be completely accessible before the let 
them into the app store.



On Jul 23, 2015, at 5:27 AM, Kelly Pierce  wrote:

to clarify Mary Ann's comments, The ADA does not mandate information
or communications to be accessible in a specific format.  Mary Ann's
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communications to be accessible.  The format used for this
accessibility depends on how effective the format is for access and
the blind person's skills and needs.

Kelly


On 7/22/15, Chris Smart  wrote:
thanks for that info Marianne.

At 10:58 AM 7/21/2015, you wrote:


Chris, there is no current or past legislation that requires apps to
be accessible.  The NFB is working on making all programs that come
into public schools or institutions of higher learning accessible but
it hasn't fully happened yet.

On 7/21/15, Chris Smart
<[?&cs=wh&v=b&to=csma...@cogeco.ca]csma...@cogeco.ca> wrote:

I'm not a US citizen, so forgive me if this question is ignorant.
Does the ADA or any other US law compel app and other software
developers to
make their products accessible?  I know the ADA applies to buildings 
and

such, but what about software?

I'm considering filing a report with the Better Business Bureau in the
case
of one company, mostly to get their full attention. Obviously I'd like
to
site any relevant legal frameworks if there are any.

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Hive heating

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Hi Neil

According to British Gas, the app is broken with VO and they were working on it 
with a target of fixing it by January.

When I was talking through the app with their customer support, it was clear 
that there were a number of things which just weren’t working with VO, for 
example, selecting days of the week.. There are buttons attached to these which 
are invisible to VO.

You may have heard they are about to release Hive 2, which will have 
connectivity with devices other than the heating, such as lights and so forth.

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How do I make Apple Music play more than one Bluegrass song?

[Kevin Minor]

Hi.

 

I've been up a while looking at old email, and I decided to let Apple Music
play some music for me.  I decided I wanted to hear Bluegrass, so I
activated Siri on my iPhone and told it to play Bluegrass music.  I heard
Rockytop, which is a nice song, but that was all I heard.  It played the
song once, then nothing.  I then told Siri "Play Bluegrass", and I heard
Rockytop again, then nothing.  How do I get Apple Music to play more
Bluegrass?

 

Thanks in advance for any ideas.

 

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Editing folders in trip view

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I want to be able to edit a folder in trip view. Is this possible? If so how do 
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Re: Problems With the ADT Pulse App Update

[Paul Hunt]

Thanks Robin. 

> On Jul 23, 2015, at 5:50 AM, Robin Frost  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I’d call the toll free number and ask to be connected to the local sales 
> office in your area they should be able to help. they have talking keypads 
> for mounting on the wall as well as a talking remote which sports an off 
> button, away button, stay button and a panic button that talks as well.  It’s 
> larger than the key fob style controller perhaps more akin to the remote one 
> would have for a garage door opener.  My apologies for straying slightly away 
> from the topic of specifically iOS related things to answer the question.
> I’ll be quiet now.
> Robin
>  
>  
> From: Paul Hunt
> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 6:46 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Problems With the ADT Pulse App Update
>  
> Hello Robin. Thanks for your advocacy. Who do I call to get the keypad with 
> voice output?
> 
>> On Jul 23, 2015, at 5:01 AM, Robin Frost  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> I have a bit more hope than you perhaps.  I stayed on the phone until I went 
>> up the food chain through about 3 supervisors and up a few levels. The issue 
>> is now known and understood.  the people in the pulse department unlike the 
>> run of the mill customer service reps do know whatVoiceOver is and the 
>> issue has been raised to critical.  they called me to let me know that 28 
>> minutes into yesterday’s business day.
>> I’ve been quite vocal on twitter through which I was also the recipient of a 
>> response that indicated understanding of the issue.
>> Perhaps you’d like to call again and join my wee advocacy effort for change 
>> a fresh (smile).
>> I've found it requires patience but can yield fruit if one is willing to 
>> try, be persistent and  succinct and respectful but firm and insistent.  I 
>> for one have had dialogs with them about accessibility on prior occasions to 
>> a lesser degree than this one.  So they are aware that blind and visually 
>> impaired people are amongst their customer base after all they offer keypads 
>> with speech output.
>> I agree they’ve done a terrible job and the breakage that has resulted is 
>> reprehensible and shameful  Thus I told them in no uncertain terms all the 
>> while remaining calm and respectful as best as I could.
>> Here’s hoping for the best.
>> Robin
>>  
>>  
>> From: Blind Treasures
>> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 5:21 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Problems With the ADT Pulse App Update
>>  
>> You can count the images and create a pin but it does no good to get into 
>> the pulse app because everything in the app is totally inaccessible. They 
>> really did a great job in breaking VO. We have contacted them via phone but 
>> they have no idea what voice over even is. We were told they would pass the 
>> information onto the correct people but I don’t hold much hope they will fix 
>> it. Big disappointment.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> "I'd rather be infected with love for the tiniest sliver of a second than 
>> live a hundred years smothered by a lie."--Lena Haloway
>> 
>> Blind Treasures
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>> PH: 804-726-8900
>> Web: www.blindtreasures.com
>>  
>> 
>>  
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Re: App Accessibility and the ADA

[Paul Hunt]

I'd like Apple to require apps to be completely accessible before the let them 
into the app store.

> On Jul 23, 2015, at 5:27 AM, Kelly Pierce  wrote:
> 
> to clarify Mary Ann's comments, The ADA does not mandate information
> or communications to be accessible in a specific format.  Mary Ann's
> comments could be applied to Braille as well.  The ADA requires
> communications to be accessible.  The format used for this
> accessibility depends on how effective the format is for access and
> the blind person's skills and needs.
> 
> Kelly
> 
>> On 7/22/15, Chris Smart  wrote:
>> thanks for that info Marianne.
>> 
>> At 10:58 AM 7/21/2015, you wrote:
>>> 
>>> Chris, there is no current or past legislation that requires apps to
>>> be accessible.  The NFB is working on making all programs that come
>>> into public schools or institutions of higher learning accessible but
>>> it hasn't fully happened yet.
>>> 
>>> On 7/21/15, Chris Smart
>>> <[?&cs=wh&v=b&to=csma...@cogeco.ca]csma...@cogeco.ca> wrote:
 I'm not a US citizen, so forgive me if this question is ignorant.
 Does the ADA or any other US law compel app and other software
 developers to
 make their products accessible?  I know the ADA applies to buildings and
 such, but what about software?
 
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Re: Problems With the ADT Pulse App Update

[Robin Frost]

Hi,
I’d call the toll free number and ask to be connected to the local sales office 
in your area they should be able to help. they have talking keypads for 
mounting on the wall as well as a talking remote which sports an off button, 
away button, stay button and a panic button that talks as well.  It’s larger 
than the key fob style controller perhaps more akin to the remote one would 
have for a garage door opener.  My apologies for straying slightly away from 
the topic of specifically iOS related things to answer the question.
I’ll be quiet now.
Robin


From: Paul Hunt 
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 6:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Problems With the ADT Pulse App Update

Hello Robin. Thanks for your advocacy. Who do I call to get the keypad with 
voice output? 

On Jul 23, 2015, at 5:01 AM, Robin Frost  wrote:


  Hi,
  I have a bit more hope than you perhaps.  I stayed on the phone until I went 
up the food chain through about 3 supervisors and up a few levels. The issue is 
now known and understood.  the people in the pulse department unlike the run of 
the mill customer service reps do know what VoiceOver is and the issue has been 
raised to critical.  they called me to let me know that 28 minutes into 
yesterday’s business day.
  I’ve been quite vocal on twitter through which I was also the recipient of a 
response that indicated understanding of the issue.
  Perhaps you’d like to call again and join my wee advocacy effort for change a 
fresh (smile).
  I've found it requires patience but can yield fruit if one is willing to try, 
be persistent and  succinct and respectful but firm and insistent.  I for one 
have had dialogs with them about accessibility on prior occasions to a lesser 
degree than this one.  So they are aware that blind and visually impaired 
people are amongst their customer base after all they offer keypads with speech 
output.
  I agree they’ve done a terrible job and the breakage that has resulted is 
reprehensible and shameful  Thus I told them in no uncertain terms all the 
while remaining calm and respectful as best as I could.
  Here’s hoping for the best.
  Robin


  From: Blind Treasures 
  Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 5:21 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: RE: Problems With the ADT Pulse App Update

  You can count the images and create a pin but it does no good to get into the 
pulse app because everything in the app is totally inaccessible. They really 
did a great job in breaking VO. We have contacted them via phone but they have 
no idea what voice over even is. We were told they would pass the information 
onto the correct people but I don’t hold much hope they will fix it. Big 
disappointment.

   

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live a hundred years smothered by a lie."--Lena Haloway

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Re: Problems With the ADT Pulse App Update

[Paul Hunt]

Hello Robin. Thanks for your advocacy. Who do I call to get the keypad with 
voice output? 

> On Jul 23, 2015, at 5:01 AM, Robin Frost  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I have a bit more hope than you perhaps.  I stayed on the phone until I went 
> up the food chain through about 3 supervisors and up a few levels. The issue 
> is now known and understood.  the people in the pulse department unlike the 
> run of the mill customer service reps do know what VoiceOver is and the issue 
> has been raised to critical.  they called me to let me know that 28 minutes 
> into yesterday’s business day.
> I’ve been quite vocal on twitter through which I was also the recipient of a 
> response that indicated understanding of the issue.
> Perhaps you’d like to call again and join my wee advocacy effort for change a 
> fresh (smile).
> I've found it requires patience but can yield fruit if one is willing to try, 
> be persistent and  succinct and respectful but firm and insistent.  I for one 
> have had dialogs with them about accessibility on prior occasions to a lesser 
> degree than this one.  So they are aware that blind and visually impaired 
> people are amongst their customer base after all they offer keypads with 
> speech output.
> I agree they’ve done a terrible job and the breakage that has resulted is 
> reprehensible and shameful  Thus I told them in no uncertain terms all the 
> while remaining calm and respectful as best as I could.
> Here’s hoping for the best.
> Robin
>  
>  
> From: Blind Treasures
> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 5:21 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Problems With the ADT Pulse App Update
>  
> You can count the images and create a pin but it does no good to get into the 
> pulse app because everything in the app is totally inaccessible. They really 
> did a great job in breaking VO. We have contacted them via phone but they 
> have no idea what voice over even is. We were told they would pass the 
> information onto the correct people but I don’t hold much hope they will fix 
> it. Big disappointment.
>  
> "I'd rather be infected with love for the tiniest sliver of a second than 
> live a hundred years smothered by a lie."--Lena Haloway
> 
> Blind Treasures
> sa...@blindtreasures.com
> PH: 804-726-8900
> Web: www.blindtreasures.com
>  
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Re: Problems With the ADT Pulse App Update

[Paul Hunt]

Hello everybody. After playing with the app, I also found it to be completely 
inaccessible. I also reported the issues. Until ADT fixes the problem, the 
website can be used as a work around.

> On Jul 23, 2015, at 4:21 AM, Blind Treasures  
> wrote:
> 
> You can count the images and create a pin but it does no good to get into the 
> pulse app because everything in the app is totally inaccessible. They really 
> did a great job in breaking VO. We have contacted them via phone but they 
> have no idea what voice over even is. We were told they would pass the 
> information onto the correct people but I don’t hold much hope they will fix 
> it. Big disappointment.
>  
> "I'd rather be infected with love for the tiniest sliver of a second than 
> live a hundred years smothered by a lie."--Lena Haloway
> 
> Blind Treasures
> sa...@blindtreasures.com
> PH: 804-726-8900
> Web: www.blindtreasures.com
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Re: App Accessibility and the ADA

[Kelly Pierce]

to clarify Mary Ann's comments, The ADA does not mandate information
or communications to be accessible in a specific format.  Mary Ann's
comments could be applied to Braille as well.  The ADA requires
communications to be accessible.  The format used for this
accessibility depends on how effective the format is for access and
the blind person's skills and needs.

Kelly

On 7/22/15, Chris Smart  wrote:
> thanks for that info Marianne.
>
> At 10:58 AM 7/21/2015, you wrote:
>>
>> Chris, there is no current or past legislation that requires apps to
>> be accessible.  The NFB is working on making all programs that come
>> into public schools or institutions of higher learning accessible but
>> it hasn't fully happened yet.
>>
>> On 7/21/15, Chris Smart
>> <[?&cs=wh&v=b&to=csma...@cogeco.ca]csma...@cogeco.ca> wrote:
>> > I'm not a US citizen, so forgive me if this question is ignorant.
>> > Does the ADA or any other US law compel app and other software
>> > developers to
>> > make their products accessible?  I know the ADA applies to buildings and
>> > such, but what about software?
>> >
>> > I'm considering filing a report with the Better Business Bureau in the
>> > case
>> > of one company, mostly to get their full attention. Obviously I'd like
>> > to
>> > site any relevant legal frameworks if there are any.
>> >
>> > Thanks for any info,
>> >
>> > Chris
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