Re: Edit Mode

[Wayne Merritt]

Hello Reg. In iOS 11 you can opt to have the edit mode turned on or
off with VoiceOver. If it is on, then you just have to flick up/down
on an app or folder on a home screen and VoiceOver will announce
editing. If the option is turned off, then you will have to double tap
and hold to turn on editing mode. Like Sieghard, I'm glad they removed
the extra verbage from the announcement we got in iOS 10 when on the
home screen. I did like this new thing with the ability to turn the
feature on or off depending on how you wanted things to operate. Until
that is I accidentally flicked ever so slightly on my home screens and
heard VoiceOver announce "editing", and then I quickly flicked up or
down again to go back to the default selection mode. To turn this
feature on or off, go to the VoiceOver settings, which is
settings/general/accessibility/VoiceOver, and then toward the bottom
you will hear Rotor, and then Rotor Actions. Double tap the rotor
actions item, and you can select whether you want this to be turned on
or off. I do like the convenience of flicking to the editing option,
but I have also almost deleted apps at times, and I don't like that at
all.

Hth,
Wayne

On 1/18/18, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> Sorry, I of course meant Reg not Greg.
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 4:48 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Edit Mode
>
> Hi Greg,
>
> Were you still on iOS 9? iOS 10 already had the flick up/down option when
> you were on the home screen to go into editing mode which before used to be
> the double tap and hold.
> I really like the fact that Apple has removed the “Actions available”
> announcement each time you touched or flicked to an app on the home screen,
> in iOS 10 that was announced so you would know that flicking up or down does
> something.
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 3:47 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Edit Mode
>
> You are likely flicking up or down with one finger accidentally. That is how
> you now get into edit mode to move apps, delete apps, etc.
> One finger flick up or down on any icon will start edit mode. Flick in the
> opposite direction toget back to the default, activate mode.
> HTH,
> Richard
>
>
> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."
> -- Jane Wagner
>
>
> On Jan 18, 2018, at 2:37 PM, Reg Sullivan
> > wrote:
> Folks I upgraded to the most current IOS last evening.
> When moving around the screens using Voiceover I occasionally hear
> “Edit Mode”
> Is there a setting to turn this off or do I just have to live with it?
>
> Smile….Reg
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Re: Accessible video conferencing

[Gerry Cook]

Hi holly zoom.us  is very good cross platform that’s what i’m 
hearing.  I’m using Skype version 7.59 until i’m forced not to. All the best 
cheers gerry have a nice day
Email: gerryc...@optusnet.com.au
Skype: gerry.cook1 
Twitter: @gerrycook52

> On 20 Jan 2018, at 10:47 am, Holly  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> In my opinion, Skype has become very difficult to use on the map. It’s still 
> OK on the iPhone.  I really like using Zoom from Zoom.us  it has a lot of 
> great keyboard shortcuts on the Mac, and works excellently with voiceover on 
> the iPhone.  The only drawback is that a group call is cut off after 45 
> minutes unless one person on the call has the pro version.  Another small 
> issue is the presence of a couple of unlabeled buttons, but for every day 
> use, this doesn’t matter. 
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RE: KNFB Reader v. Seeing AI

[ajvece]

That Seeing AI app really amazes me!

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2018 8:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: KNFB Reader v. Seeing AI

 

Would be nice if KNFB would also include an instant mode where it reads what 
the camera sees without having to interact with the phone.

I also find that in many situations the short text channel in the Seeing AI app 
does all the OCR I need.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2018 12:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: KNFB Reader v. Seeing AI

 

That is not my experience at all. 

But, if you do not care about document layout, then KNFB is faster.

With the Short Text mode, once it starts reading the page, point the camera to 
a blank spot on your desk, because the entire point of the short text mode is 
to read on the fly, so any movement that focuses on other text, or changes the 
focus on the same text, will be treated as a new scan. It isn't really designed 
for whole page scanning, that is what the document channel is for.

But, if it doesn't work for you, sticking with KNFB makes perfect sense.

Scott White, at NFB, tells me that format retention should be in an update this 
year for KNFB.

Something I've asked for since it was released.

Here's hoping it finally happens.

Richard

 

 

(Sent from the iPod Touch 6)


On Jan 19, 2018, at 12:24 PM, kelby carlson  > wrote:

So, I'm now working in a court and have to deal with lots of paper documents. 
So I am using OCR much more. This has given me the chance to really compare 
KNFB Reader (which I honestly hadn't used much even though I bought it) and 
Seeing AI.

My conclusion: KNFB still beats Seeing AI for scanning print documents by a 
country mile.

Take what is called a "face sheet" for a docket, which contains all the basic 
information about a case. When trying to do the document channel with Seeing 
AI, it would continually tellm me that one or more edges was not visible no 
matter how much I adjusted the phone. When I raised the phone really high and 
got a "hold steady" it would take a picture but not recognize a bit of text.

With KNFB: I center the camera, lift it up, take a couple field of views to 
orient, take a picture and it reads the sheet almost immediately, with very few 
flaws at all.

In each case I'm using the same camera and positioning it in the same way. I 
can only conclude, then, that it is a difference in the apps.

Seeing AI's short text feature in this case actually worked better than the 
document channel, for some reason, but typically still gives garbled text ap 
some points and will also stop if you move the camera even a milimeter.

So, I think with a few exceptions I'll be sticking with KNFB Reader.




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RE: KNFB Reader v. Seeing AI

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Would be nice if KNFB would also include an instant mode where it reads what 
the camera sees without having to interact with the phone.
I also find that in many situations the short text channel in the Seeing AI app 
does all the OCR I need.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2018 12:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: KNFB Reader v. Seeing AI

That is not my experience at all.
But, if you do not care about document layout, then KNFB is faster.
With the Short Text mode, once it starts reading the page, point the camera to 
a blank spot on your desk, because the entire point of the short text mode is 
to read on the fly, so any movement that focuses on other text, or changes the 
focus on the same text, will be treated as a new scan. It isn't really designed 
for whole page scanning, that is what the document channel is for.
But, if it doesn't work for you, sticking with KNFB makes perfect sense.
Scott White, at NFB, tells me that format retention should be in an update this 
year for KNFB.
Something I've asked for since it was released.
Here's hoping it finally happens.
Richard



(Sent from the iPod Touch 6)

On Jan 19, 2018, at 12:24 PM, kelby carlson 
> wrote:
So, I'm now working in a court and have to deal with lots of paper documents. 
So I am using OCR much more. This has given me the chance to really compare 
KNFB Reader (which I honestly hadn't used much even though I bought it) and 
Seeing AI.

My conclusion: KNFB still beats Seeing AI for scanning print documents by a 
country mile.

Take what is called a "face sheet" for a docket, which contains all the basic 
information about a case. When trying to do the document channel with Seeing 
AI, it would continually tellm me that one or more edges was not visible no 
matter how much I adjusted the phone. When I raised the phone really high and 
got a "hold steady" it would take a picture but not recognize a bit of text.

With KNFB: I center the camera, lift it up, take a couple field of views to 
orient, take a picture and it reads the sheet almost immediately, with very few 
flaws at all.

In each case I'm using the same camera and positioning it in the same way. I 
can only conclude, then, that it is a difference in the apps.

Seeing AI's short text feature in this case actually worked better than the 
document channel, for some reason, but typically still gives garbled text ap 
some points and will also stop if you move the camera even a milimeter.

So, I think with a few exceptions I'll be sticking with KNFB Reader.




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RE: My Siri issues

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I do put company names in the company field, but I also put them in the last 
name field because otherwise SIRI will not call them.
I guess you could put them only in the last name field and, for that matter, 
it's probably fine to put them in the first name field instead, but for my 
sense of how things should be the last name field makes more sense.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Terri Stimmel
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2018 1:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: My Siri issues

Hello everyone,


First of all, I want to say thank you for those who offered me help, and 
suggestions. It really made me feel better, and not so frustrated. And I can 
deal with Siri a little better now. Although, he's still a pain, and likely 
always will be. LOL!


Anyway, someone suggested that I not put company names in the company area, 
where you think they should go. I don't remember who it was that suggested this.

But I hope you see this message, and read it. I really do appreciate your help. 
I changed 2 numbers from the company area and put them in the first name area.


Now if I want the phone to call my apartments, I can say, Siri, call Pembroke, 
and it actually does it. Amazing!

I wonder why though I had to change things like that, in order to get it to 
work?


Oh well, at least things seem a little better, and for now I don't want 
to throw my phone. LOL!


But I just want to thank those of you who helped me, and tried to help 
me understand Siri a little better.


Thank you,


Terri

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RE: Free Writing App?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Not to rain on your parade, but there still are things which are better done on 
a computer bluetooth keyboard or not and in my opinion word processing and 
spreadsheets are in that category. Actually, email and web browsing for me are 
as well. I can read, compose and reply to email so fast on my PC and the same 
goes for navigating web pages let alone filling out stuff on them that there is 
just no comparison.

Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
K. Scott Carlson
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2018 1:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Free Writing App?

I do have a bluetooth keyboard, whch is one of the reasons I'm trying to find a 
good Word processor.

On 1/19/18, Richard Turner  wrote:
> Well, as far as I know, the only apps that allow editing of word 
> documents are Pages and Word.
> Frankly, I don't think either one works very well with VoiceOver. Word 
> might work a little better than pages, but you will find it rather 
> tedious and without a bluetooth  keyboard, I wouldn't waste my time.
> Richard
>
>
>
> (Sent from the iPod Touch 6)
>
> On Jan 19, 2018, at 9:49 AM, K. Scott Carlson 
> > wrote:
>
> To make clear what I'm looking for, it's pretty simple:
>
> I need an app that can, at the very least, read already-created Word 
> files. i need it to have basic reading and editing functions but to be 
> focused primarily on word processing itself; I'm not interested in, 
> for example, novel creation. I haven't experimented too much with Word 
> or Pages but it sounds like I may need to try them. Scrivener is not 
> something I'm willing to pay for, and it sounds like with Writer one 
> can only create one document at a time.
>
> So, perhaps there simply isn't an app that fulfills what I'm looking 
> for out there.
>
> On 12/9/17, Kimberly
> > wrote:
> While I am not familiar with Byword, I have been using Drafts for 
> sometime now and like it very well. It is exactly what it says, a 
> drafting app which while it allows you to mark up your text, it does 
> not allow saving of documents. You have to for example copy then paste 
> whatever you've written into another app to save it. So keep that in 
> mind when making your decision.
>
>
>
> The beauty of the Drafts app is its simplicity and of use. So if you 
> don't mind the limitations I described above, I think it's a great choice.
>
> Sent from Kimber's iPhone
> The happy ending still beckons, and it is in the hope of grasping it 
> that we go on.—Annie Proulx
>
> On Dec 8, 2017, at 10:44 PM, Apple Nerd 
> 
> >
> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> Which app would be worth getting? Byword or Drafts?
>
> Sent from my iPod
>
> On Dec 8, 2017, at 9:12 AM, Richard Turner 
> >
> wrote:
>
> I know it can import txt files, I'm not sure beyond that.
> It can export to several including rtf and word.
> It is primarily for document creation.
> Richard
>
>
> "The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject 
> of flying.
> There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies 
> in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
> 
>
>
> On Dec 8, 2017, at 5:57 AM, Kimber Gardner 
> >
> wrote:
>
> Denny,
>
> What writing was that? Also, I couldn't find a novel idea in the app 
> store. Do you have a link?
>
> Just as a point of information, I was going to try the writer app, but 
> every time I tap the more tab the app causes my phone to freeze.
>
> On 12/7/17, Denny Schwab
> > wrote:
> The Writing App I mentioned is set up to help you write a novel.  You 
> can create Characters, Chapters, and put together Items and other 
> things.  It collects all of these into Novels.  A Novel Idea did the 
> same sort of thing, but also added in the ability to link characters 
> and ideas to multiple novels, and let you set up relationships between 
> characters.  Both are much more than just a word processor.
>
> Denny
>
> On 12/7/17, Richard Turner
> > wrote:
> Mark,
> Voice Dream Writer allows for text markup so your final document can 
> be exported with headings, bullets, etc.
> You can export to RTF or Word.
> You can navigate and edit by headings, paragraphs or sentences.
> It has a great spell checker, and more.
> Here is the link:
> Voice Dream Writer by Voice Dream LLC
> https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fitun
> es.apple.com%2Fus%2Fapp%2Fvoice-dream-writer%2Fid920583100%3Fmt%3D8
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Re: KNFB Reader v. Seeing AI

[Richard Turner]

No, once the picture is taken, you can set the phone down.
Richard



(Sent from the iPod Touch 6)

On Jan 19, 2018, at 4:24 PM, kelby carlson 
> wrote:

Is it necessary to hold the phone still while the image is processing?

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 19, 2018, at 4:26 PM, Richard Turner 
> wrote:

I do not know if that has an impact on Seeing AI.  It might since it is 
attempting to retain the format.
I’d suggest writing seein...@microsoft.com and 
asking them that very question.
This is just the kind of thing that they could then add to its capability 
perhaps.

Later,
Richard



(Sent from the iPod Touch 6)

On Jan 19, 2018, at 1:19 PM, Cristóbal 
> wrote:

Can’t remember the last time I used KNFBReader on my phone. Immediacy of 
scanning results is what makes me partial to SeeingAI hands down at this point. 
Even if scanning results were marginally better in KNFBReader, the fact that 
you can get feedback almost instantaneously in SeeingAI
Would for me anyway outweigh the difference in OCR results. That and the added 
channels too. KNFBReader’s got some major catching up to do.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2018 12:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: KNFB Reader v. Seeing AI

That is not my experience at all.
But, if you do not care about document layout, then KNFB is faster.
With the Short Text mode, once it starts reading the page, point the camera to 
a blank spot on your desk, because the entire point of the short text mode is 
to read on the fly, so any movement that focuses on other text, or changes the 
focus on the same text, will be treated as a new scan. It isn't really designed 
for whole page scanning, that is what the document channel is for.
But, if it doesn't work for you, sticking with KNFB makes perfect sense.
Scott White, at NFB, tells me that format retention should be in an update this 
year for KNFB.
Something I've asked for since it was released.
Here's hoping it finally happens.
Richard



(Sent from the iPod Touch 6)

On Jan 19, 2018, at 12:24 PM, kelby carlson 
> wrote:
So, I'm now working in a court and have to deal with lots of paper documents. 
So I am using OCR much more. This has given me the chance to really compare 
KNFB Reader (which I honestly hadn't used much even though I bought it) and 
Seeing AI.

My conclusion: KNFB still beats Seeing AI for scanning print documents by a 
country mile.

Take what is called a "face sheet" for a docket, which contains all the basic 
information about a case. When trying to do the document channel with Seeing 
AI, it would continually tellm me that one or more edges was not visible no 
matter how much I adjusted the phone. When I raised the phone really high and 
got a "hold steady" it would take a picture but not recognize a bit of text.

With KNFB: I center the camera, lift it up, take a couple field of views to 
orient, take a picture and it reads the sheet almost immediately, with very few 
flaws at all.

In each case I'm using the same camera and positioning it in the same way. I 
can only conclude, then, that it is a difference in the apps.

Seeing AI's short text feature in this case actually worked better than the 
document channel, for some reason, but typically still gives garbled text ap 
some points and will also stop if you move the camera even a milimeter.

So, I think with a few exceptions I'll be sticking with KNFB Reader.




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Re: KNFB Reader v. Seeing AI

[kelby carlson]

Is it necessary to hold the phone still while the image is processing?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 19, 2018, at 4:26 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> I do not know if that has an impact on Seeing AI.  It might since it is 
> attempting to retain the format.
> I’d suggest writing seein...@microsoft.com and asking them that very question.
> This is just the kind of thing that they could then add to its capability 
> perhaps.
> 
> Later,
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> (Sent from the iPod Touch 6)
> 
> On Jan 19, 2018, at 1:19 PM, Cristóbal  wrote:
> 
>> Can’t remember the last time I used KNFBReader on my phone. Immediacy of 
>> scanning results is what makes me partial to SeeingAI hands down at this 
>> point. Even if scanning results were marginally better in KNFBReader, the 
>> fact that you can get feedback almost instantaneously in SeeingAI
>> Would for me anyway outweigh the difference in OCR results. That and the 
>> added channels too. KNFBReader’s got some major catching up to do.
>>  
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Richard Turner
>> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2018 12:58 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: KNFB Reader v. Seeing AI
>>  
>> That is not my experience at all.
>> But, if you do not care about document layout, then KNFB is faster.
>> With the Short Text mode, once it starts reading the page, point the camera 
>> to a blank spot on your desk, because the entire point of the short text 
>> mode is to read on the fly, so any movement that focuses on other text, or 
>> changes the focus on the same text, will be treated as a new scan. It isn't 
>> really designed for whole page scanning, that is what the document channel 
>> is for.
>> But, if it doesn't work for you, sticking with KNFB makes perfect sense.
>> Scott White, at NFB, tells me that format retention should be in an update 
>> this year for KNFB.
>> Something I've asked for since it was released.
>> Here's hoping it finally happens.
>> Richard
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> (Sent from the iPod Touch 6)
>> 
>> On Jan 19, 2018, at 12:24 PM, kelby carlson  wrote:
>> 
>> So, I'm now working in a court and have to deal with lots of paper 
>> documents. So I am using OCR much more. This has given me the chance to 
>> really compare KNFB Reader (which I honestly hadn't used much even though I 
>> bought it) and Seeing AI.
>> 
>> My conclusion: KNFB still beats Seeing AI for scanning print documents by a 
>> country mile.
>> 
>> Take what is called a "face sheet" for a docket, which contains all the 
>> basic information about a case. When trying to do the document channel with 
>> Seeing AI, it would continually tellm me that one or more edges was not 
>> visible no matter how much I adjusted the phone. When I raised the phone 
>> really high and got a "hold steady" it would take a picture but not 
>> recognize a bit of text.
>> 
>> With KNFB: I center the camera, lift it up, take a couple field of views to 
>> orient, take a picture and it reads the sheet almost immediately, with very 
>> few flaws at all.
>> 
>> In each case I'm using the same camera and positioning it in the same way. I 
>> can only conclude, then, that it is a difference in the apps.
>> 
>> Seeing AI's short text feature in this case actually worked better than the 
>> document channel, for some reason, but typically still gives garbled text ap 
>> some points and will also stop if you move the camera even a milimeter.
>> 
>> So, I think with a few exceptions I'll be sticking with KNFB Reader.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Accessible video conferencing

[Holly]

 Hi,

 In my opinion, Skype has become very difficult to use on the map. It’s still 
OK on the iPhone.  I really like using Zoom from Zoom.us  it has a lot of great 
keyboard shortcuts on the Mac, and works excellently with voiceover on the 
iPhone.  The only drawback is that a group call is cut off after 45 minutes 
unless one person on the call has the pro version.  Another small issue is the 
presence of a couple of unlabeled buttons, but for every day use, this doesn’t 
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Re: Notifications not working on iPhone 7.

[Matthew Janusauskas]

I was also experiencing this with Google calendar. Deleting and reinstalling 
the app seems to have fixed the notifications for now.


> On Jan 18, 2018, at 1:54 PM, Julie Dawson  wrote:
> 
> I am having the same problem on my SE. My notifications are set properly for 
> example for AP News and other choices. I removed and reinstalled the app and 
> the notifications were working. After the last update, notifications stopped 
> entirely. They are turned on in AP news and in notifications and in speaking 
> notifications.
> Julie
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> - Original Message - From: "'Bluesman02' via VIPhone" 
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> 
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Would someone be kind enough to tell me how to set up notifications on my 
>> iPhone 7. .
>> 
>> 
>> I was getting notifications for a while. but now they have suddenly stopped. 
>> and the only thing different I have done is to sign into facebook, to log 
>> into Dice World.
>> 
>> I had a similar problem once before, on an iPhone 6. which was fixed thanks 
>> to a member of this list. and having just looked at that E-mail, all options 
>> suggested are on.
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Del/Crazy horse
>> 
>> P.S. Using the latest IOs software.
>> 
>> 
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iPhone X gestures and tips

[the . big . apple . fan]

Hi all, I thought I would post the iPhone X gestures for the 
iPhone X for new users out there and for the people who are thinking of getting 
an iPhone X. I will say that the gestures are easy to learn if you are willing 
to learn them. First to unlock and to go home you swipe up from the bottom edge 
of the screen until you feel the first vibration. You will hear clicking 
sounds. You will want the first click to go home. To go to the app switcher 
swipe up from the bottom until you feel the second vibration. Instead of triple 
clicking the home button you triple click the side button which was previously 
known as the sleep/wake button. A face ID tip: when setting up Face ID you want 
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Re: My Siri issues

[Richard Turner]

Hi,
I mentioned the company field silliness.  I believe it has always been this 
way.  I’m not sure why they have a company name field if Siri doesn’t use it.
Putting the company in first or last name, works great.
Glad that helped.
Richard



(Sent from the iPod Touch 6)

On Jan 19, 2018, at 1:22 PM, Terri Stimmel 
> wrote:

Hello everyone,


First of all, I want to say thank you for those who offered me help, and
suggestions. It really made me feel better, and not so frustrated. And I
can deal with Siri a little better now. Although, he's still a pain, and
likely always will be. LOL!


Anyway, someone suggested that I not put company names in the company
area, where you think they should go. I don't remember who it was that
suggested this.

But I hope you see this message, and read it. I really do appreciate
your help. I changed 2 numbers from the company area and put them in the
first name area.


Now if I want the phone to call my apartments, I can say, Siri, call
Pembroke, and it actually does it. Amazing!

I wonder why though I had to change things like that, in order to get it
to work?


Oh well, at least things seem a little better, and for now I don't want
to throw my phone. LOL!


But I just want to thank those of you who helped me, and tried to help
me understand Siri a little better.


Thank you,


Terri

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Re: KNFB Reader v. Seeing AI

[Richard Turner]

I do not know if that has an impact on Seeing AI.  It might since it is 
attempting to retain the format.
I’d suggest writing seein...@microsoft.com and 
asking them that very question.
This is just the kind of thing that they could then add to its capability 
perhaps.

Later,
Richard



(Sent from the iPod Touch 6)

On Jan 19, 2018, at 1:19 PM, Cristóbal 
> wrote:

Can’t remember the last time I used KNFBReader on my phone. Immediacy of 
scanning results is what makes me partial to SeeingAI hands down at this point. 
Even if scanning results were marginally better in KNFBReader, the fact that 
you can get feedback almost instantaneously in SeeingAI
Would for me anyway outweigh the difference in OCR results. That and the added 
channels too. KNFBReader’s got some major catching up to do.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2018 12:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: KNFB Reader v. Seeing AI

That is not my experience at all.
But, if you do not care about document layout, then KNFB is faster.
With the Short Text mode, once it starts reading the page, point the camera to 
a blank spot on your desk, because the entire point of the short text mode is 
to read on the fly, so any movement that focuses on other text, or changes the 
focus on the same text, will be treated as a new scan. It isn't really designed 
for whole page scanning, that is what the document channel is for.
But, if it doesn't work for you, sticking with KNFB makes perfect sense.
Scott White, at NFB, tells me that format retention should be in an update this 
year for KNFB.
Something I've asked for since it was released.
Here's hoping it finally happens.
Richard



(Sent from the iPod Touch 6)

On Jan 19, 2018, at 12:24 PM, kelby carlson 
> wrote:
So, I'm now working in a court and have to deal with lots of paper documents. 
So I am using OCR much more. This has given me the chance to really compare 
KNFB Reader (which I honestly hadn't used much even though I bought it) and 
Seeing AI.

My conclusion: KNFB still beats Seeing AI for scanning print documents by a 
country mile.

Take what is called a "face sheet" for a docket, which contains all the basic 
information about a case. When trying to do the document channel with Seeing 
AI, it would continually tellm me that one or more edges was not visible no 
matter how much I adjusted the phone. When I raised the phone really high and 
got a "hold steady" it would take a picture but not recognize a bit of text.

With KNFB: I center the camera, lift it up, take a couple field of views to 
orient, take a picture and it reads the sheet almost immediately, with very few 
flaws at all.

In each case I'm using the same camera and positioning it in the same way. I 
can only conclude, then, that it is a difference in the apps.

Seeing AI's short text feature in this case actually worked better than the 
document channel, for some reason, but typically still gives garbled text ap 
some points and will also stop if you move the camera even a milimeter.

So, I think with a few exceptions I'll be sticking with KNFB Reader.




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My Siri issues

[Terri Stimmel]

Hello everyone,


First of all, I want to say thank you for those who offered me help, and 
suggestions. It really made me feel better, and not so frustrated. And I 
can deal with Siri a little better now. Although, he's still a pain, and 
likely always will be. LOL!


Anyway, someone suggested that I not put company names in the company 
area, where you think they should go. I don't remember who it was that 
suggested this.

But I hope you see this message, and read it. I really do appreciate 
your help. I changed 2 numbers from the company area and put them in the 
first name area.


Now if I want the phone to call my apartments, I can say, Siri, call 
Pembroke, and it actually does it. Amazing!

I wonder why though I had to change things like that, in order to get it 
to work?


Oh well, at least things seem a little better, and for now I don't want 
to throw my phone. LOL!


But I just want to thank those of you who helped me, and tried to help 
me understand Siri a little better.


Thank you,


Terri

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RE: KNFB Reader v. Seeing AI

[Cristóbal]

Can’t remember the last time I used KNFBReader on my phone. Immediacy of 
scanning results is what makes me partial to SeeingAI hands down at this point. 
Even if scanning results were marginally better in KNFBReader, the fact that 
you can get feedback almost instantaneously in SeeingAI 

Would for me anyway outweigh the difference in OCR results. That and the added 
channels too. KNFBReader’s got some major catching up to do.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2018 12:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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That is not my experience at all. 

But, if you do not care about document layout, then KNFB is faster.

With the Short Text mode, once it starts reading the page, point the camera to 
a blank spot on your desk, because the entire point of the short text mode is 
to read on the fly, so any movement that focuses on other text, or changes the 
focus on the same text, will be treated as a new scan. It isn't really designed 
for whole page scanning, that is what the document channel is for.

But, if it doesn't work for you, sticking with KNFB makes perfect sense.

Scott White, at NFB, tells me that format retention should be in an update this 
year for KNFB.

Something I've asked for since it was released.

Here's hoping it finally happens.

Richard

 





(Sent from the iPod Touch 6)


On Jan 19, 2018, at 12:24 PM, kelby carlson  > wrote:

So, I'm now working in a court and have to deal with lots of paper documents. 
So I am using OCR much more. This has given me the chance to really compare 
KNFB Reader (which I honestly hadn't used much even though I bought it) and 
Seeing AI.

My conclusion: KNFB still beats Seeing AI for scanning print documents by a 
country mile.

Take what is called a "face sheet" for a docket, which contains all the basic 
information about a case. When trying to do the document channel with Seeing 
AI, it would continually tellm me that one or more edges was not visible no 
matter how much I adjusted the phone. When I raised the phone really high and 
got a "hold steady" it would take a picture but not recognize a bit of text.

With KNFB: I center the camera, lift it up, take a couple field of views to 
orient, take a picture and it reads the sheet almost immediately, with very few 
flaws at all.

In each case I'm using the same camera and positioning it in the same way. I 
can only conclude, then, that it is a difference in the apps.

Seeing AI's short text feature in this case actually worked better than the 
document channel, for some reason, but typically still gives garbled text ap 
some points and will also stop if you move the camera even a milimeter.

So, I think with a few exceptions I'll be sticking with KNFB Reader.




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Re: KNFB Reader v. Seeing AI

[K. Scott Carlson]

Do you know to what degree things like coloring, greyscale, boxes and
odd fonts can affect Seeing AI's processing of documents? I suspect
with the docket sheets I just described, Seeing AI might be having
problems for that reason. like you, i've had pretty good luck with
Seeing AI when scanning normal documents, but not so much stuff like
this.

On 1/19/18, Richard Turner  wrote:
> That is not my experience at all.
> But, if you do not care about document layout, then KNFB is faster.
> With the Short Text mode, once it starts reading the page, point the camera
> to a blank spot on your desk, because the entire point of the short text
> mode is to read on the fly, so any movement that focuses on other text, or
> changes the focus on the same text, will be treated as a new scan. It isn't
> really designed for whole page scanning, that is what the document channel
> is for.
> But, if it doesn't work for you, sticking with KNFB makes perfect sense.
> Scott White, at NFB, tells me that format retention should be in an update
> this year for KNFB.
> Something I've asked for since it was released.
> Here's hoping it finally happens.
> Richard
>
>
>
> (Sent from the iPod Touch 6)
>
> On Jan 19, 2018, at 12:24 PM, kelby carlson
> > wrote:
>
> So, I'm now working in a court and have to deal with lots of paper
> documents. So I am using OCR much more. This has given me the chance to
> really compare KNFB Reader (which I honestly hadn't used much even though I
> bought it) and Seeing AI.
>
> My conclusion: KNFB still beats Seeing AI for scanning print documents by a
> country mile.
>
> Take what is called a "face sheet" for a docket, which contains all the
> basic information about a case. When trying to do the document channel with
> Seeing AI, it would continually tellm me that one or more edges was not
> visible no matter how much I adjusted the phone. When I raised the phone
> really high and got a "hold steady" it would take a picture but not
> recognize a bit of text.
>
> With KNFB: I center the camera, lift it up, take a couple field of views to
> orient, take a picture and it reads the sheet almost immediately, with very
> few flaws at all.
>
> In each case I'm using the same camera and positioning it in the same way. I
> can only conclude, then, that it is a difference in the apps.
>
> Seeing AI's short text feature in this case actually worked better than the
> document channel, for some reason, but typically still gives garbled text ap
> some points and will also stop if you move the camera even a milimeter.
>
> So, I think with a few exceptions I'll be sticking with KNFB Reader.
>
>
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RE: Choice between a iPhone 8 and iPhone 10

[ajvece]

Congratulations!!!

 

 

From: the.big.apple@icloud.com [mailto:the.big.apple@icloud.com] 
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2018 4:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Choice between a iPhone 8 and iPhone 10

 

Hi, 

I received an iPhone X for Christmas and am loving it. As Aleeha said the 
gestures are very easy to learn. I did however get to practice the gestures 
before Christmas but didn’t get them very well until I got to spend more time 
using it. 

 

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On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 9:22 AM -0500, "Aleeha Dudley" 
 > wrote:

Hi, 

There is an unboxing of the X on iaccessibility.net  
 in the archives. 

Jonathan Mosen also did some demonstrations. 

Hope that helps,

Aleeha 





On Jan 18, 2018, at 11:12 PM, Turabh  > wrote:

 

Hi all

Thanks a lot for your inputs. I believe Ill go in for a iPhone X. Aleeha could 
u suggest some tutorials, podcasts etc. to help better understand and use the X.

 

Sent from my iPhone


On 18-Jan-2018, at 11:44 PM, Anthony Vece  > wrote:

It’s also available on the iPhone 8+.

 





On Jan 18, 2018, at 11:58 AM, Aleeha Dudley  > wrote:

 

Hi, 

 

Wireless charging is available on both the iPhone 8 and iPhone X. 

Sent from my iPhone


On Jan 18, 2018, at 10:45 AM, Fanus  > wrote:

Hello Kelly

Thannks for the explanation. Just one other question: I heard that the iPhone 8 
can be charged by placing it on some or other charge pad, more or less like the 
charging method of the apple watch. Is this true for iPhone 8 or is it only for 
the iPhone X?

Regards

Fanus

 

 

From: Kelly Pierce 

Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 6:38 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com   

Subject: Re: Choice between a iPhone 8 and iPhone 10

 

For the blind, the big differences are that the x has face ID and no
home button on the screen. Both have the same processor so performance
will be the same in each phone. The reason technology journalists say
that the 8 is a disappointment is because the 8 was an incremental
upgrade with no new technology. The x has a new camera system and a
bigger screen with greater image quality. Face recognition is way more
accurate than in Samsung phones. I don’t believe the X is worth the
price for blind users though.

Kelly



On 1/18/18, Aleeha Dudley  > wrote:
> Personally I would go for the iPhone X if you can afford to do so. This
> interface is what Apple is moving toward, and is fully accessible. I like
> the look of the phone a lot, and think it is very snappy.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 18, 2018, at 2:11 AM, Turabh >  > wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>> Hope this message  finds you well.
>> Want to go in for a new  phone. Hence want  to know how much an edge an X
>> would  have over an  8 specifically  from a visually  impaired users
>> perspective: considering that here  in India there  is a huge price
>> difference . Also, is the  new  interface and other  features of X fully
>> compatible with voiceover? Finally, 8 users  how  is your experience, for
>> some tech  magazine  in india have enlisted the 8 among the
>> disappointments  of 2017?
>> Best
>> Turab
>>
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Re: Free Writing App?

[K. Scott Carlson]

I do have a bluetooth keyboard, whch is one of the reasons I'm trying
to find a good Word processor.

On 1/19/18, Richard Turner  wrote:
> Well, as far as I know, the only apps that allow editing of word documents
> are Pages and Word.
> Frankly, I don't think either one works very well with VoiceOver. Word might
> work a little better than pages, but you will find it rather tedious and
> without a bluetooth  keyboard, I wouldn't waste my time.
> Richard
>
>
>
> (Sent from the iPod Touch 6)
>
> On Jan 19, 2018, at 9:49 AM, K. Scott Carlson
> > wrote:
>
> To make clear what I'm looking for, it's pretty simple:
>
> I need an app that can, at the very least, read already-created Word
> files. i need it to have basic reading and editing functions but to be
> focused primarily on word processing itself; I'm not interested in,
> for example, novel creation. I haven't experimented too much with Word
> or Pages but it sounds like I may need to try them. Scrivener is not
> something I'm willing to pay for, and it sounds like with Writer one
> can only create one document at a time.
>
> So, perhaps there simply isn't an app that fulfills what I'm looking
> for out there.
>
> On 12/9/17, Kimberly
> > wrote:
> While I am not familiar with Byword, I have been using Drafts for sometime
> now and like it very well. It is exactly what it says, a drafting app which
> while it allows you to mark up your text, it does not allow saving of
> documents. You have to for example copy then paste whatever you've written
> into another app to save it. So keep that in mind when making your
> decision.
>
>
>
> The beauty of the Drafts app is its simplicity and of use. So if you don't
> mind the limitations I described above, I think it's a great choice.
>
> Sent from Kimber's iPhone
> The happy ending still beckons, and it is in the hope of grasping it that
> we
> go on.—Annie Proulx
>
> On Dec 8, 2017, at 10:44 PM, Apple Nerd
> >
> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> Which app would be worth getting? Byword or Drafts?
>
> Sent from my iPod
>
> On Dec 8, 2017, at 9:12 AM, Richard Turner
> >
> wrote:
>
> I know it can import txt files, I'm not sure beyond that.
> It can export to several including rtf and word.
> It is primarily for document creation.
> Richard
>
>
> "The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of
> flying.
> There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in
> learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
> 
>
>
> On Dec 8, 2017, at 5:57 AM, Kimber Gardner
> >
> wrote:
>
> Denny,
>
> What writing was that? Also, I couldn't find a novel idea in the app
> store. Do you have a link?
>
> Just as a point of information, I was going to try the writer app, but
> every time I tap the more tab the app causes my phone to freeze.
>
> On 12/7/17, Denny Schwab
> > wrote:
> The Writing App I mentioned is set up to help you write a novel.  You
> can create Characters, Chapters, and put together Items and other
> things.  It collects all of these into Novels.  A Novel Idea did the
> same sort of thing, but also added in the ability to link characters
> and ideas to multiple novels, and let you set up relationships between
> characters.  Both are much more than just a word processor.
>
> Denny
>
> On 12/7/17, Richard Turner
> > wrote:
> Mark,
> Voice Dream Writer allows for text markup so your final document can
> be
> exported with headings, bullets, etc.
> You can export to RTF or Word.
> You can navigate and edit by headings, paragraphs or sentences.
> It has a great spell checker, and more.
> Here is the link:
> Voice Dream Writer by Voice Dream LLC
> https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fitunes.apple.com%2Fus%2Fapp%2Fvoice-dream-writer%2Fid920583100%3Fmt%3D8=02%7C01%7C%7Cca677bb26d3c42aed50d08d53e43a170%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636483382544205584=Jx7UvVh4lZgR05i8r5jT337gnKvTYTZy2lJPAUUJuF0%3D=0
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> Richard
>
>
> "The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject
> of
> flying.
> There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies
> in
> learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
> 
>
>
> On Dec 7, 2017, at 11:51 AM, M. Taylor
> > wrote:
>
> Hello Rich and Everyone,
>
> I’m afraid this thread has me a bit baffled.
>
> When you speak of a, writing app, do you mean a word processor?
>
> Also, does anyone have the link to Writer as I would like to take a
> look
> at
> it?
>
> Do 

Re: Choice between a iPhone 8 and iPhone 10

[the . big . apple . fan]

Hi, I received an iPhone X for Christmas and am loving it. As 
Aleeha said the gestures are very easy to learn. I did however get to practice 
the gestures before Christmas but didn’t get them very well until I got to 
spend more time using it. 



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On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 9:22 AM -0500, "Aleeha Dudley" 
 wrote:










Hi, There is an unboxing of the X on iaccessibility.net in the archives. 
Jonathan Mosen also did some demonstrations. Hope that helps,Aleeha 

On Jan 18, 2018, at 11:12 PM, Turabh  wrote:
Hi allThanks a lot for your inputs. I believe Ill go in for a iPhone X. Aleeha 
could u suggest some tutorials, podcasts etc. to help better understand and use 
the X.
Sent from my iPhone
On 18-Jan-2018, at 11:44 PM, Anthony Vece  wrote:

It’s also available on the iPhone 8+.

On Jan 18, 2018, at 11:58 AM, Aleeha Dudley  wrote:
Hi, 
Wireless charging is available on both the iPhone 8 and iPhone X. 

Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 18, 2018, at 10:45 AM, Fanus  wrote:





Hello Kelly
Thannks for the explanation. Just one other question: I heard that the 
iPhone 8 can be charged by placing it on some or other charge pad, more or less 
like the charging method of the apple watch. Is this true for iPhone 8 or is it 
only for the iPhone X?
Regards
Fanus
 


 

From: Kelly 
Pierce 
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 6:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: Choice between a iPhone 8 and iPhone 
10
 
For 
the blind, the big differences are that the x has face ID and no
home button 
on the screen. Both have the same processor so performance
will be the same 
in each phone. The reason technology journalists say
that the 8 is a 
disappointment is because the 8 was an incremental
upgrade with no new 
technology. The x has a new camera system and a
bigger screen with greater 
image quality. Face recognition is way more
accurate than in Samsung phones. 
I don’t believe the X is worth the
price for blind users 
though.

Kelly



On 1/18/18, Aleeha Dudley 
 wrote:
> Personally I would go for the 
iPhone X if you can afford to do so. This
> interface is what Apple is 
moving toward, and is fully accessible. I like
> the look of the phone a 
lot, and think it is very snappy.
>
>
> Sent from my 
iPhone
>
>> On Jan 18, 2018, at 2:11 AM, Turabh 
 wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>> 
Hope this message  finds you well.
>> Want to go in for a 
new  phone. Hence want  to know how much an edge an X
>> 
would  have over an  8 specifically  from a visually  
impaired users
>> perspective: considering that here  in India 
there  is a huge price
>> difference . Also, is the  
new  interface and other  features of X fully
>> compatible 
with voiceover? Finally, 8 users  how  is your experience, 
for
>> some tech  magazine  in india have enlisted the 8 
among the
>> disappointments  of 2017?
>> 
Best
>> Turab
>>
>> Sent from my 
iPhone
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Re: KNFB Reader v. Seeing AI

[Richard Turner]

That is not my experience at all.
But, if you do not care about document layout, then KNFB is faster.
With the Short Text mode, once it starts reading the page, point the camera to 
a blank spot on your desk, because the entire point of the short text mode is 
to read on the fly, so any movement that focuses on other text, or changes the 
focus on the same text, will be treated as a new scan. It isn't really designed 
for whole page scanning, that is what the document channel is for.
But, if it doesn't work for you, sticking with KNFB makes perfect sense.
Scott White, at NFB, tells me that format retention should be in an update this 
year for KNFB.
Something I've asked for since it was released.
Here's hoping it finally happens.
Richard



(Sent from the iPod Touch 6)

On Jan 19, 2018, at 12:24 PM, kelby carlson 
> wrote:

So, I'm now working in a court and have to deal with lots of paper documents. 
So I am using OCR much more. This has given me the chance to really compare 
KNFB Reader (which I honestly hadn't used much even though I bought it) and 
Seeing AI.

My conclusion: KNFB still beats Seeing AI for scanning print documents by a 
country mile.

Take what is called a "face sheet" for a docket, which contains all the basic 
information about a case. When trying to do the document channel with Seeing 
AI, it would continually tellm me that one or more edges was not visible no 
matter how much I adjusted the phone. When I raised the phone really high and 
got a "hold steady" it would take a picture but not recognize a bit of text.

With KNFB: I center the camera, lift it up, take a couple field of views to 
orient, take a picture and it reads the sheet almost immediately, with very few 
flaws at all.

In each case I'm using the same camera and positioning it in the same way. I 
can only conclude, then, that it is a difference in the apps.

Seeing AI's short text feature in this case actually worked better than the 
document channel, for some reason, but typically still gives garbled text ap 
some points and will also stop if you move the camera even a milimeter.

So, I think with a few exceptions I'll be sticking with KNFB Reader.




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Re: Camera Distance from Print Page

[Richard Turner]

With KNFB Reader, about 12 inches. With Seeing AI, about 16 to 18 inches.
Richard



(Sent from the iPod Touch 6)

On Jan 19, 2018, at 12:01 PM, kelby carlson 
> wrote:

How far should one ordinarily have the camera of a phone above the paper when 
using Seeing AI or KNFB Reader? I have a couple documents where it just will 
not see all of the edges unless the phone is really far away, but then it won't 
recognize the text.

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KNFB Reader v. Seeing AI

[kelby carlson]

So, I'm now working in a court and have to deal with lots of paper documents. 
So I am using OCR much more. This has given me the chance to really compare 
KNFB Reader (which I honestly hadn't used much even though I bought it) and 
Seeing AI.

My conclusion: KNFB still beats Seeing AI for scanning print documents by a 
country mile.

Take what is called a "face sheet" for a docket, which contains all the basic 
information about a case. When trying to do the document channel with Seeing 
AI, it would continually tellm me that one or more edges was not visible no 
matter how much I adjusted the phone. When I raised the phone really high and 
got a "hold steady" it would take a picture but not recognize a bit of text.

With KNFB: I center the camera, lift it up, take a couple field of views to 
orient, take a picture and it reads the sheet almost immediately, with very few 
flaws at all.

In each case I'm using the same camera and positioning it in the same way. I 
can only conclude, then, that it is a difference in the apps.

Seeing AI's short text feature in this case actually worked better than the 
document channel, for some reason, but typically still gives garbled text ap 
some points and will also stop if you move the camera even a milimeter.

So, I think with a few exceptions I'll be sticking with KNFB Reader.




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Camera Distance from Print Page

[kelby carlson]

How far should one ordinarily have the camera of a phone above the paper when 
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Re: Free Writing App?

[K. Scott Carlson]

To make clear what I'm looking for, it's pretty simple:

I need an app that can, at the very least, read already-created Word
files. i need it to have basic reading and editing functions but to be
focused primarily on word processing itself; I'm not interested in,
for example, novel creation. I haven't experimented too much with Word
or Pages but it sounds like I may need to try them. Scrivener is not
something I'm willing to pay for, and it sounds like with Writer one
can only create one document at a time.

So, perhaps there simply isn't an app that fulfills what I'm looking
for out there.

On 12/9/17, Kimberly  wrote:
> While I am not familiar with Byword, I have been using Drafts for sometime
> now and like it very well. It is exactly what it says, a drafting app which
> while it allows you to mark up your text, it does not allow saving of
> documents. You have to for example copy then paste whatever you've written
> into another app to save it. So keep that in mind when making your decision.
>
>
>
> The beauty of the Drafts app is its simplicity and of use. So if you don't
> mind the limitations I described above, I think it's a great choice.
>
> Sent from Kimber's iPhone
> The happy ending still beckons, and it is in the hope of grasping it that we
> go on.—Annie Proulx
>
>> On Dec 8, 2017, at 10:44 PM, Apple Nerd 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> Which app would be worth getting? Byword or Drafts?
>>
>> Sent from my iPod
>>
>> On Dec 8, 2017, at 9:12 AM, Richard Turner 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I know it can import txt files, I'm not sure beyond that.
>>> It can export to several including rtf and word.
>>> It is primarily for document creation.
>>> Richard
>>>
>>>
>>> "The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of
>>> flying.
>>> There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in
>>> learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 8, 2017, at 5:57 AM, Kimber Gardner 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Denny,

 What writing was that? Also, I couldn't find a novel idea in the app
 store. Do you have a link?

 Just as a point of information, I was going to try the writer app, but
 every time I tap the more tab the app causes my phone to freeze.

> On 12/7/17, Denny Schwab  wrote:
> The Writing App I mentioned is set up to help you write a novel.  You
> can create Characters, Chapters, and put together Items and other
> things.  It collects all of these into Novels.  A Novel Idea did the
> same sort of thing, but also added in the ability to link characters
> and ideas to multiple novels, and let you set up relationships between
> characters.  Both are much more than just a word processor.
>
> Denny
>
>> On 12/7/17, Richard Turner  wrote:
>> Mark,
>> Voice Dream Writer allows for text markup so your final document can
>> be
>> exported with headings, bullets, etc.
>> You can export to RTF or Word.
>> You can navigate and edit by headings, paragraphs or sentences.
>> It has a great spell checker, and more.
>> Here is the link:
>> Voice Dream Writer by Voice Dream LLC
>> https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fitunes.apple.com%2Fus%2Fapp%2Fvoice-dream-writer%2Fid920583100%3Fmt%3D8=02%7C01%7C%7Cca677bb26d3c42aed50d08d53e43a170%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636483382544205584=Jx7UvVh4lZgR05i8r5jT337gnKvTYTZy2lJPAUUJuF0%3D=0
>>
>>
>> Richard
>>
>>
>> "The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject
>> of
>> flying.
>> There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies
>> in
>> learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
>> 
>>
>>
>> On Dec 7, 2017, at 11:51 AM, M. Taylor
>> > wrote:
>>
>> Hello Rich and Everyone,
>>
>> I’m afraid this thread has me a bit baffled.
>>
>> When you speak of a, writing app, do you mean a word processor?
>>
>> Also, does anyone have the link to Writer as I would like to take a
>> look
>> at
>> it?
>>
>> Do these writing apps offer some extra features not available in Pages
>> or
>> Word?
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
>> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 6:15 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Free Writing App?
>>
>>
>> Writer is $9.99 but well worth it in my opinion.
>> I know nothing about Scribner.
>> MS-Word is free, but not very user friendly with VoiceOver. 

Re: Pages bugs in iOS?

[Harry Bell]

Thanks, Sieghard! Another usual avenue!
Thanks
Harry

> On 19 Jan 2018, at 17:26, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> If you have an Office 365 subscription and need to use a Wordprocessor on the 
> iPhone try Word, I personally don't use it, but heard that it works fairly 
> well.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Harry Bell
> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2018 9:08 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Pages bugs in iOS?
> 
> Reassuring to hear this from someone as experienced as you, Richard! I will 
> sigh deeply and report the issues to Apple Accessibility...
> Thanks
> Harry
> 
>> On 19 Jan 2018, at 16:37, Richard Turner  wrote:
>> 
>> In my very biased opinion, Pages is useless on the iDevices.  Possibly it 
>> could work with a Bluetooth keyboard, but unti Apple figures out how to 
>> truly make Pages work with VoiceOver so it actually reports where the heck 
>> you are in a document, I'm not sure even a keyboard would help.
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Harry Bell
>> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2018 6:24 AM
>> To: Abridged Recipients 
>> Subject: Pages bugs in iOS?
>> 
>> I am using the pages app on my iPhone 7 Plus and on my iPad, both running 
>> iOS 11 .2 .2. I use voice-over and when I open pages and see displayed all 
>> my folders, if I double tap with one finger on any folder it simply invites 
>> me to edit the name not open the folder.  This happens on both iPhone and 
>> iPad. The only way to open the folder to display all the pages documents is 
>> to turn voiceover off and get someone to tap once on the folder, which does 
>> then open!
>> The other bug is that if I use the rotor for text selection, I can select 
>> all using text selection but it does not seem to actually select the text 
>> even though I have double tap on select all. If I go afterwards to edit menu 
>> on the rotor, there is no copy option. Instead the Edit menu offers to 
>> select all and then I can copy and paste. The Text Selection rotor Option 
>> seems to be broken. Can others confirm this before I report it to Apple 
>> Accessibility?
>> Cheers
>> Harry
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RE: Pages bugs in iOS?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

If you have an Office 365 subscription and need to use a Wordprocessor on the 
iPhone try Word, I personally don't use it, but heard that it works fairly well.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Harry Bell
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2018 9:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Pages bugs in iOS?

Reassuring to hear this from someone as experienced as you, Richard! I will 
sigh deeply and report the issues to Apple Accessibility...
Thanks
Harry

> On 19 Jan 2018, at 16:37, Richard Turner  wrote:
> 
> In my very biased opinion, Pages is useless on the iDevices.  Possibly it 
> could work with a Bluetooth keyboard, but unti Apple figures out how to truly 
> make Pages work with VoiceOver so it actually reports where the heck you are 
> in a document, I'm not sure even a keyboard would help.
> 
> Richard
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Harry Bell
> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2018 6:24 AM
> To: Abridged Recipients 
> Subject: Pages bugs in iOS?
> 
> I am using the pages app on my iPhone 7 Plus and on my iPad, both running iOS 
> 11 .2 .2. I use voice-over and when I open pages and see displayed all my 
> folders, if I double tap with one finger on any folder it simply invites me 
> to edit the name not open the folder.  This happens on both iPhone and iPad. 
> The only way to open the folder to display all the pages documents is to turn 
> voiceover off and get someone to tap once on the folder, which does then open!
> The other bug is that if I use the rotor for text selection, I can select all 
> using text selection but it does not seem to actually select the text even 
> though I have double tap on select all. If I go afterwards to edit menu on 
> the rotor, there is no copy option. Instead the Edit menu offers to select 
> all and then I can copy and paste. The Text Selection rotor Option seems to 
> be broken. Can others confirm this before I report it to Apple Accessibility?
> Cheers
> Harry
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Re: Pages bugs in iOS?

[Harry Bell]

Reassuring to hear this from someone as experienced as you, Richard! I will 
sigh deeply and report the issues to Apple Accessibility...
Thanks
Harry

> On 19 Jan 2018, at 16:37, Richard Turner  wrote:
> 
> In my very biased opinion, Pages is useless on the iDevices.  Possibly it 
> could work with a Bluetooth keyboard, but unti Apple figures out how to truly 
> make Pages work with VoiceOver so it actually reports where the heck you are 
> in a document, I'm not sure even a keyboard would help.
> 
> Richard
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Harry Bell
> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2018 6:24 AM
> To: Abridged Recipients 
> Subject: Pages bugs in iOS?
> 
> I am using the pages app on my iPhone 7 Plus and on my iPad, both running iOS 
> 11 .2 .2. I use voice-over and when I open pages and see displayed all my 
> folders, if I double tap with one finger on any folder it simply invites me 
> to edit the name not open the folder.  This happens on both iPhone and iPad. 
> The only way to open the folder to display all the pages documents is to turn 
> voiceover off and get someone to tap once on the folder, which does then open!
> The other bug is that if I use the rotor for text selection, I can select all 
> using text selection but it does not seem to actually select the text even 
> though I have double tap on select all. If I go afterwards to edit menu on 
> the rotor, there is no copy option. Instead the Edit menu offers to select 
> all and then I can copy and paste. The Text Selection rotor Option seems to 
> be broken. Can others confirm this before I report it to Apple Accessibility?
> Cheers
> Harry
> 
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Re: Notifications not working on iPhone 7.

[Julie Dawson]

I am having the same problem on my SE. My notifications are set properly for 
example for AP News and other choices. I removed and reinstalled the app and 
the notifications were working. After the last update, notifications stopped 
entirely. They are turned on in AP news and in notifications and in speaking 
notifications.

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- Original Message - 
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To: 
Sent: January 19, 2018 7:20 AM
Subject: Notifications not working on iPhone 7.



Hi all,

Would someone be kind enough to tell me how to set up notifications on my 
iPhone 7. .



I was getting notifications for a while. but now they have suddenly 
stopped. and the only thing different I have done is to sign into 
facebook, to log into Dice World.


I had a similar problem once before, on an iPhone 6. which was fixed 
thanks to a member of this list. and having just looked at that E-mail, 
all options suggested are on.


Best regards,

Del/Crazy horse

P.S. Using the latest IOs software.




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RE: Pages bugs in iOS?

[Richard Turner]

In my very biased opinion, Pages is useless on the iDevices.  Possibly it could 
work with a Bluetooth keyboard, but unti Apple figures out how to truly make 
Pages work with VoiceOver so it actually reports where the heck you are in a 
document, I'm not sure even a keyboard would help.

Richard


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Sent: Friday, January 19, 2018 6:24 AM
To: Abridged Recipients 
Subject: Pages bugs in iOS?

I am using the pages app on my iPhone 7 Plus and on my iPad, both running iOS 
11 .2 .2. I use voice-over and when I open pages and see displayed all my 
folders, if I double tap with one finger on any folder it simply invites me to 
edit the name not open the folder.  This happens on both iPhone and iPad. The 
only way to open the folder to display all the pages documents is to turn 
voiceover off and get someone to tap once on the folder, which does then open!
The other bug is that if I use the rotor for text selection, I can select all 
using text selection but it does not seem to actually select the text even 
though I have double tap on select all. If I go afterwards to edit menu on the 
rotor, there is no copy option. Instead the Edit menu offers to select all and 
then I can copy and paste. The Text Selection rotor Option seems to be broken. 
Can others confirm this before I report it to Apple Accessibility?
Cheers
Harry

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Notifications not working on iPhone 7.

['Bluesman02' via VIPhone]

Hi all,

Would someone be kind enough to tell me how to set up notifications on my 
iPhone 7. .



I was getting notifications for a while. but now they have suddenly stopped. 
and the only thing different I have done is to sign into facebook, to log 
into Dice World.


I had a similar problem once before, on an iPhone 6. which was fixed thanks 
to a member of this list. and having just looked at that E-mail, all options 
suggested are on.


Best regards,

Del/Crazy horse

P.S. Using the latest IOs software.




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Pages bugs in iOS?

[Harry Bell]

I am using the pages app on my iPhone 7 Plus and on my iPad, both running iOS 
11 .2 .2. I use voice-over and when I open pages and see displayed all my 
folders, if I double tap with one finger on any folder it simply invites me to 
edit the name not open the folder.  This happens on both iPhone and iPad. The 
only way to open the folder to display all the pages documents is to turn 
voiceover off and get someone to tap once on the folder, which does then open!
The other bug is that if I use the rotor for text selection, I can select all 
using text selection but it does not seem to actually select the text even 
though I have double tap on select all. If I go afterwards to edit menu on the 
rotor, there is no copy option. Instead the Edit menu offers to select all and 
then I can copy and paste. The Text Selection rotor Option seems to be broken. 
Can others confirm this before I report it to Apple Accessibility?
Cheers
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Re: Choice between a iPhone 8 and iPhone 10

[Aleeha Dudley]

Hi, 
There is an unboxing of the X on iaccessibility.net 
 in the archives. 
Jonathan Mosen also did some demonstrations. 
Hope that helps,
Aleeha 

> On Jan 18, 2018, at 11:12 PM, Turabh  wrote:
> 
> Hi all
> Thanks a lot for your inputs. I believe Ill go in for a iPhone X. Aleeha 
> could u suggest some tutorials, podcasts etc. to help better understand and 
> use the X.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 18-Jan-2018, at 11:44 PM, Anthony Vece  > wrote:
> 
>> It’s also available on the iPhone 8+.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 18, 2018, at 11:58 AM, Aleeha Dudley >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, 
>>> 
>>> Wireless charging is available on both the iPhone 8 and iPhone X. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Jan 18, 2018, at 10:45 AM, Fanus >> > wrote:
>>> 
 Hello Kelly
 Thannks for the explanation. Just one other question: I heard that the 
 iPhone 8 can be charged by placing it on some or other charge pad, more or 
 less like the charging method of the apple watch. Is this true for iPhone 
 8 or is it only for the iPhone X?
 Regards
 Fanus
  
  
 From: Kelly Pierce <>
 Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 6:38 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com <>
 Subject: Re: Choice between a iPhone 8 and iPhone  10
  
 For the blind, the big differences are that the x has face ID and no
 home button on the screen. Both have the same processor so performance
 will be the same in each phone. The reason technology journalists say
 that the 8 is a disappointment is because the 8 was an incremental
 upgrade with no new technology. The x has a new camera system and a
 bigger screen with greater image quality. Face recognition is way more
 accurate than in Samsung phones. I don’t believe the X is worth the
 price for blind users though.
 
 Kelly
 
 
 
 On 1/18/18, Aleeha Dudley > wrote:
 > Personally I would go for the iPhone X if you can afford to do so. This
 > interface is what Apple is moving toward, and is fully accessible. I like
 > the look of the phone a lot, and think it is very snappy.
 >
 >
 > Sent from my iPhone
 >
 >> On Jan 18, 2018, at 2:11 AM, Turabh > > wrote:
 >>
 >> Hi all,
 >> Hope this message  finds you well.
 >> Want to go in for a new  phone. Hence want  to know how much an edge an 
 >> X
 >> would  have over an  8 specifically  from a visually  impaired users
 >> perspective: considering that here  in India there  is a huge price
 >> difference . Also, is the  new  interface and other  features of X fully
 >> compatible with voiceover? Finally, 8 users  how  is your experience, 
 >> for
 >> some tech  magazine  in india have enlisted the 8 among the
 >> disappointments  of 2017?
 >> Best
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RE: Accessible video conferencing

[Richard Petty]

Zoom is a good option. All controls are accessible in Microsoft Windows as are 
the participant lists and chat windows. It has a dial in option. It’s 
especially good at cross platform operation. You may have fewer control options 
in IOS, but I think that’s true for anyone using the platform. What you will 
not have is on screen access to any Power Points or documents shared on the 
screen. They’re displayed graphically. You would need to ask your associates to 
send them in advance. It seems to be much easier to set up for video (for 
sighted persons) and for audio (for anyone). I use the video for presentations 
and so that other team members can see me and that works pretty smoothly. Hope 
this helps.

 

From: 'ChalmersAS' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2018 6:23 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Accessible video conferencing

 

Hello

 

I’ve been asked to join a committee which frequently does virtual meetings. 
They have an assortment of tech, PCs tablets and so on. They are all sighted. 
Some of them are not very advanced users of the tech they have.

 

Can anyone recommend a cross platform method of video conferencing that is 
completely VO friendly? I suspect audio would do, but you know what those 
sighted people are like.

 

Thanks in advance

 

Adrienne

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Re: Accessible video conferencing

[Richard Turner]

Make free group calls with Skype. Whether you want to share big news with your 
family or need to work closely with a team of colleagues, with Skype group 
calling, including conference calling and group chats, you can host a group 
video chat or conference call for up to 25 people.


>From https://www.skype.com/en/features/group-calls/

HTH,
Richard

(Sent from the iPod Touch 6)

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> wrote:

Hello

I’ve been asked to join a committee which frequently does virtual meetings. 
They have an assortment of tech, PCs tablets and so on. They are all sighted. 
Some of them are not very advanced users of the tech they have.

Can anyone recommend a cross platform method of video conferencing that is 
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sighted people are like.

Thanks in advance

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Accessible video conferencing

['ChalmersAS' via VIPhone]

Hello

I’ve been asked to join a committee which frequently does virtual meetings. 
They have an assortment of tech, PCs tablets and so on. They are all sighted. 
Some of them are not very advanced users of the tech they have.

Can anyone recommend a cross platform method of video conferencing that is 
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sighted people are like.

Thanks in advance

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