Re: Interesting loink.

[Shameless FanGirl]

I think it’s a distant cousin to a TOYPO  :D 

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> I’m quite prepared to be wrong, but I think it’s a link.
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> What is a "loink"
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> Carolyn Arnold
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Re: Apple watch VS exercise machines

[Lois Butterfield]

Hi, in my opinion, the watch gives much better data. If you put in your health 
data, it’s going on that, plus your heart rate, plus the activity that you’re 
doing. I think it gives a much better reading. Your rowing machine has no way 
of knowing your weight or your other health statistics. It’s just guessing.

Take care,
Lois

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> On Jul 11, 2019, at 2:11 PM, Keith Bierman  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 12:05 PM Jeremy Gilley  wrote:
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Just curious, on my rowing machine, it says I lose more calories then what 
>> my watch says.
>> 
>> Witch is more accurate?
>> 
>> 
>> 
> The watch really only has accelerometer data (well, it might also use your 
> heart rate info), the rowing machine knows the resistance level you've dialed 
> in. But neither is likely to be terribly accurate. A quick google search will 
> turn up dozens of articles about some of the factors involved. Pick one, use 
> it to gauge your "progress" day to day ... but don't use the data to 
> determine when you can have a candy bar. You just can't have the candy bar ;>
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Re: Interesting loink.

[James English]

Think you might need to change your password, Richard.

On 7/11/19, Richard Turner  wrote:
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> I thought maybe it was a combination of Laughing Out Loud and Wink.
> Not really, but maybe that will catch on.
> I immediately delete emails that give links with no explanation of what it
> is about.
> Richard
>
>
> Richard
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>> On Jul 11, 2019, at 10:05 AM, Sandra Streeter
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>> A link, spoken in a New York accent, hahahahaha!
>>
>>
>> Sandra
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>> -Original Message-
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>> Subject: RE: Interesting loink.
>>
>> What is a "loink"
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
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>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Interesting loink.
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Re: Apple Watch face changed, and I can't change it back

[Ed Worrell]

Cathy,

You’re very welcome. I am happy to help further if needed.

Ed W.


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Re: Apple watch VS exercise machines

[Keith Bierman]

On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 12:05 PM Jeremy Gilley  wrote:

>
>
>
> Just curious, on my rowing machine, it says I lose more calories then what
> my watch says.
>
> Witch is more accurate?
>
>
> The watch really only has accelerometer data (well, it might also use your
heart rate info), the rowing machine knows the resistance level you've
dialed in. But neither is likely to be terribly accurate. A quick google
search will turn up dozens of articles about some of the factors involved.
Pick one, use it to gauge your "progress" day to day ... but don't use the
data to determine when you can have a candy bar. You just can't have the
candy bar ;>

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Re: Interesting loink.

[Richard Turner]

I thought maybe it was a combination of Laughing Out Loud and Wink.
Not really, but maybe that will catch on.
I immediately delete emails that give links with no explanation of what it is 
about.
Richard


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> On Jul 11, 2019, at 10:05 AM, Sandra Streeter  
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> A link, spoken in a New York accent, hahahahaha!
> 
> 
> Sandra
> 
> Something is wrong, I know it, if I don't keep my attention on eternity. May 
> I be the tiniest nail in the house of the universe, tiny but useful.
> (Mary Oliver) 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2019 12:43 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Interesting loink.
> 
> What is a "loink"
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Carolyn Arnold
> Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2019 7:29 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Interesting loink.
> 
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Apple watch VS exercise machines

[Jeremy Gilley]

Hello all,

 

Just curious, on my rowing machine, it says I lose more calories then what
my watch says.

Witch is more accurate?

Its not even close, my watch is almost 200 calories less then the machine.

Thought the watch might be more accurate because its actually on my wrist,
but thought maybe someone saw something if they were working out on machines
as well.

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Re: Apple Watch face changed, and I can't change it back

[Kathy]

>
> Thanks to both Sieghard and Ed.  Your instructions enabled me to restore 
> my complications in a matter of seconds.  


Kathy Blackburn 

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RE: Interesting loink.

[Sandra Streeter]

A link, spoken in a New York accent, hahahahaha!


Sandra

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What is a "loink"


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http://a-ghani-k.com/guilty.php?sirgd=JGCM26800

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RE: Interesting loink.

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Makes sense, “loink” written with an accidental extra “o”.


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I’m quite prepared to be wrong, but I think it’s a link.


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What is a "loink"


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http://a-ghani-k.com/guilty.php?sirgd=JGCM26800

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Re: Interesting loink.

[Alex Stone]

I’m quite prepared to be wrong, but I think it’s a link.


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What is a "loink"


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http://a-ghani-k.com/guilty.php?sirgd=JGCM26800

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Re: Apple Watch face changed, and I can't change it back

[Ed Worrell]

Hey Cathy,

You can change the complications on the watches face two different ways.

1. Is by waking the Apple Watch display by tapping the screen. When you are on 
the watch do what is called a force touch. This will feel like you are trying 
to break the screen. It’s a very firm press down on the screen. It will be fine 
I promise. You won’t break the display. You can now flick right until you find 
the proper watch face. You now will need to flick down until you find the 
customize option and then double tap once you hear this. Now you will be 
presented with several picker items and the amount will differ depending on 
what watch face you’re using. To move between the complication pickers you will 
swipe either right or left. VoiceOver will announce which complication you are 
on and it’s place on the screen. Once you get to the complication you would 
like to adjust you now can flick or swipe up or down on the item and it will 
change the active complication. When you have finished adjusting the watch face 
features you now will press the Digital Crown on the side of the watch.This 
will save the changes.

2. In the Watch app on your iPhone make sure you are one the main watch tab. 
That will be the first one on the left at the bottom of the screen. Now 
navigate to the watch faces section double tab on the watch face you would like 
to adjust the complications on. It will open in a new screen with in the watch 
app. Swipe or flick to the right . You will hear the Name of the face announced 
by VoiceOver. Now you will see/hear the layoutt of the complications announced 
much like they are on the watch in edit mode. The only difference is to adjust 
the complication on the iPhone you will have to double tap on the name of the 
complication and then swipe or flick to the right to find the picker item with 
the same name. You will repeat this step for each complication you will want to 
adjust. After you are done adjust ting the watch face features navigate down to 
the bottom of the screen until you find the set as watch face button double tap 
on this and all of your changes should be on your watch now.


I hope this helps.

Ed W.

> On Jul 11, 2019, at 9:27 AM, Kathy Blackburn  wrote:
> 
> I don't remember the name of the watch face I chose for my Apple watch. When 
> I set it up, I chose to have weather in the top left corner and 
> sunrise-sunset in the top right. Somehow, top left is now occupied by 
> Activity, and Breathe is in the right corner. I have searched all through 
> settings and faces on the watch and the Watch app on the iPhone. Changes I 
> thought I could make don't take effect. What am I missing?
> 
> Kathy Blackburn
> kblac...@austin.rr.com
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RE: Interesting loink.

[Sieghard Weitzel]

What is a "loink"


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http://a-ghani-k.com/guilty.php?sirgd=JGCM26800

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RE: Apple Watch face changed, and I can't change it back

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Did you check if you accidently did a 2-finger swipe left or right on the 
watch? That is the gesture to change watch faces and chances are you may have 
more than 1 set up.
If not, you can easily change them on the watch, just do a hard press on the 
watch anywhere and your faces come up, select the one you want to customize, 
then swipe down with one finger and you have options to Delete, Customize and 
Activate (activate is the default). When you get to customize double tap, then 
go to the complication you want to change, e.g. top left, swipe up or down and 
find what you want in the list then move on to the next complication etc. When 
you are done simply press the digital crown, you are taken back to your list of 
watch faces, you can now flick to Activate and double tap or simply press the 
digital crown once more.


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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Apple Watch face changed, and I can't change it back

I don't remember the name of the watch face I chose for my Apple watch. When I 
set it up, I chose to have weather in the top left corner and sunrise-sunset in 
the top right. Somehow, top left is now occupied by Activity, and Breathe is in 
the right corner. I have searched all through settings and faces on the watch 
and the Watch app on the iPhone. Changes I thought I could make don't take 
effect. What am I missing?

Kathy Blackburn
kblac...@austin.rr.com

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Re: need help testing a page for accessibility

[Ed Worrell]

Hey Donald,

I am running into the same issues you are describing. Even on my computer VO is 
not reading the table header as such. It will read the content in the table 
header but it will not read the proper roll tag outloud.

Hmm… I am puzzled on this one. I thought it was working the last time I used 
any tables… I have to dabble a little more with VO and creating tables. I even 
just for kicks added the title=“header” syntax to the  opening this simply 
messes up the rest of the column. 

Now you’ve got me interested  in seeing if I can figure out the code. If you 
would like you can email me off list with the html stuff 
(e...@overhereconsulting.net) instead of keeping this thread off topic for the 
list.

Ed

Ed


> On Jul 11, 2019, at 10:15 AM, Donald Raikes  wrote:
> 
> Ed,
> 
> The first table on the page I hand-coded using basic html. The second
> table is an oracleJet table component, so I wouldn't be surprised if
> it is acting a little different.
> 
> If you want to create a table that I can test with VoiceOver that
> would be great.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> On 7/11/19, Ed Worrell  wrote:
>> Hey Donald,
>> 
>> This table is not using  basic html correctly. I can create a table for you
>> and see if VoiceOver is still acting weird with it. Even on my computer it’s
>> acting a little strange. I think they used very basic html and didn’t use
>> the proper row or table header tags. This site is done by Oracle, the second
>> table is done with Java Script and it’s meant to look more accessible as JS
>> was developed by Oracle.
>> 
>> Ed W.
>> 
>>> On Jul 10, 2019, at 5:18 PM, Richard Turner 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I do not think VoiceOver will speak the column and row headings like
>>> Jaws.
>>> That has never worked for me, other than creating lots of extra verbiage
>>> that ends up being the row and column numbers, but never the headings.
>>> Maybe in iOS 13 we could see this, but I'm not holding my breath.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Richard
>>> 
>>> Arthur C. Clarke's third law says: "Any sufficiently advanced technology
>>> is indistinguishable from magic."
>>> (Sent from the magical iPhone SE)
>>> www.turner42.com
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jul 10, 2019, at 3:27 PM, Donald Raikes  wrote:
 
 Ed,
 
 Thanks for the suggestions, but yes the verbosity was set to announce
 the row and column headings.
 
> On 7/10/19, Ed Worrell  wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Have you gone into the settings app, general, accessibility, VoiceOver,
> verbosity and checked to make sure all of the verbosity levels are set
> to on
> for tables?
> 
> This is where I would start. If I’m not mistaken there should also be a
> rotor option for tables. I don’t utilize this feature but it might only
> be
> to find tables on the page. I honestly don’t remember.
> 
> Ed W.
> 
>> On Jul 10, 2019, at 3:43 PM, Donald Raikes 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all you VoiceOver experts:
>> 
>> I am trying to understand how VoiceOver should behave when working
>> with html tables.
>> 
>> I know that with JAWS, when I use the table navigation keystrokes that
>> JAWS will read the row/column headers plus the coordinate and data
>> cell contents.
>> 
>> When I use VoiceOver, all I am getting is the cell coordinates and
>> cell contents not the row and column headers.
>> 
>> What I do:
>> using the rotor, I jump to the table, then set the rotor to vertical
>> navigation. If I flick right or left I get the cell coordinate and its
>> contents but no header information. Same thing happens if I flick
>> up/down.
>> 
>> Is there something I am doing wrong, or is this a limitation of
>> VoiceOver?
>> 
>> Test URL:
>> https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdonraikes.github.io%2FAccJet%2F%3Froot%3Dmodule3%26mod3%3Dtable&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ca94b3339d41c49346f0a08d70585bc98%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636983944258246055&sdata=r7Uweprw7bTTo91BlHD4cPIiKiBgCYC2WOCzeTq8DRY%3D&reserved=0
>> 
>> Thanks in advance for any help.
>> 
>> Donald Raikes
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Re: need help testing a page for accessibility

[Donald Raikes]

Ed,

The first table on the page I hand-coded using basic html. The second
table is an oracleJet table component, so I wouldn't be surprised if
it is acting a little different.

If you want to create a table that I can test with VoiceOver that
would be great.

Thanks

On 7/11/19, Ed Worrell  wrote:
> Hey Donald,
>
> This table is not using  basic html correctly. I can create a table for you
> and see if VoiceOver is still acting weird with it. Even on my computer it’s
> acting a little strange. I think they used very basic html and didn’t use
> the proper row or table header tags. This site is done by Oracle, the second
> table is done with Java Script and it’s meant to look more accessible as JS
> was developed by Oracle.
>
> Ed W.
>
>> On Jul 10, 2019, at 5:18 PM, Richard Turner 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I do not think VoiceOver will speak the column and row headings like
>> Jaws.
>> That has never worked for me, other than creating lots of extra verbiage
>> that ends up being the row and column numbers, but never the headings.
>> Maybe in iOS 13 we could see this, but I'm not holding my breath.
>>
>>
>> Richard
>>
>> Arthur C. Clarke's third law says: "Any sufficiently advanced technology
>> is indistinguishable from magic."
>> (Sent from the magical iPhone SE)
>> www.turner42.com
>>
>>
>>> On Jul 10, 2019, at 3:27 PM, Donald Raikes  wrote:
>>>
>>> Ed,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the suggestions, but yes the verbosity was set to announce
>>> the row and column headings.
>>>
 On 7/10/19, Ed Worrell  wrote:
 Hello,

 Have you gone into the settings app, general, accessibility, VoiceOver,
 verbosity and checked to make sure all of the verbosity levels are set
 to on
 for tables?

 This is where I would start. If I’m not mistaken there should also be a
 rotor option for tables. I don’t utilize this feature but it might only
 be
 to find tables on the page. I honestly don’t remember.

 Ed W.

> On Jul 10, 2019, at 3:43 PM, Donald Raikes 
> wrote:
>
> Hello all you VoiceOver experts:
>
> I am trying to understand how VoiceOver should behave when working
> with html tables.
>
> I know that with JAWS, when I use the table navigation keystrokes that
> JAWS will read the row/column headers plus the coordinate and data
> cell contents.
>
> When I use VoiceOver, all I am getting is the cell coordinates and
> cell contents not the row and column headers.
>
> What I do:
> using the rotor, I jump to the table, then set the rotor to vertical
> navigation. If I flick right or left I get the cell coordinate and its
> contents but no header information. Same thing happens if I flick
> up/down.
>
> Is there something I am doing wrong, or is this a limitation of
> VoiceOver?
>
> Test URL:
> https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdonraikes.github.io%2FAccJet%2F%3Froot%3Dmodule3%26mod3%3Dtable&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ca94b3339d41c49346f0a08d70585bc98%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636983944258246055&sdata=r7Uweprw7bTTo91BlHD4cPIiKiBgCYC2WOCzeTq8DRY%3D&reserved=0
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> Thanks in advance for any help.
>
> Donald Raikes
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Re: Are there any robot vacuums that are accessible and good for pet hair?

[Pete Nalda]

What’s bad about the iPhone app?

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> On Jul 10, 2019, at 8:53 AM, Lelia Struve  wrote:
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> Can you use this if you don’t have carpet?
> 
> Lelia 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 9, 2019, at 8:58 PM, Donald L. Roberts  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Keith, We bought a Shark iRobot 851 for Christmas and have been quite 
>> pleased with how easy it is to use. There are only three buttons on the 
>> unit, clean, deep clean, and return to the docking station.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The iPhone app isn't much to shout about, but the vac itself works fine and 
>> is easy to use.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Don Roberts
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 7/9/2019 4:07 PM, 'Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.' via VIPhone wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>  
>>> I’m wondering if there are any good robot vacuums that are accessible and 
>>> good for pet hair.
>>>  
>>> All advice appreciated.
>>>  
>>> Keith
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Apple Watch face changed, and I can't change it back

[Kathy Blackburn]

I don't remember the name of the watch face I chose for my Apple watch. When I 
set it up, I chose to have weather in the top left corner and sunrise-sunset in 
the top right. Somehow, top left is now occupied by Activity, and Breathe is in 
the right corner. I have searched all through settings and faces on the watch 
and the Watch app on the iPhone. Changes I thought I could make don't take 
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Re: need help testing a page for accessibility

[Ed Worrell]

Hey Donald,

This table is not using  basic html correctly. I can create a table for you and 
see if VoiceOver is still acting weird with it. Even on my computer it’s acting 
a little strange. I think they used very basic html and didn’t use the proper 
row or table header tags. This site is done by Oracle, the second table is done 
with Java Script and it’s meant to look more accessible as JS was developed by 
Oracle.

Ed W.

> On Jul 10, 2019, at 5:18 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I do not think VoiceOver will speak the column and row headings like Jaws.
> That has never worked for me, other than creating lots of extra verbiage that 
> ends up being the row and column numbers, but never the headings.
> Maybe in iOS 13 we could see this, but I'm not holding my breath.
> 
> 
> Richard
> 
> Arthur C. Clarke's third law says: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is 
> indistinguishable from magic." 
> (Sent from the magical iPhone SE)
> www.turner42.com
> 
> 
>> On Jul 10, 2019, at 3:27 PM, Donald Raikes  wrote:
>> 
>> Ed,
>> 
>> Thanks for the suggestions, but yes the verbosity was set to announce
>> the row and column headings.
>> 
>>> On 7/10/19, Ed Worrell  wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> Have you gone into the settings app, general, accessibility, VoiceOver,
>>> verbosity and checked to make sure all of the verbosity levels are set to on
>>> for tables?
>>> 
>>> This is where I would start. If I’m not mistaken there should also be a
>>> rotor option for tables. I don’t utilize this feature but it might only be
>>> to find tables on the page. I honestly don’t remember.
>>> 
>>> Ed W.
>>> 
 On Jul 10, 2019, at 3:43 PM, Donald Raikes  wrote:
 
 Hello all you VoiceOver experts:
 
 I am trying to understand how VoiceOver should behave when working
 with html tables.
 
 I know that with JAWS, when I use the table navigation keystrokes that
 JAWS will read the row/column headers plus the coordinate and data
 cell contents.
 
 When I use VoiceOver, all I am getting is the cell coordinates and
 cell contents not the row and column headers.
 
 What I do:
 using the rotor, I jump to the table, then set the rotor to vertical
 navigation. If I flick right or left I get the cell coordinate and its
 contents but no header information. Same thing happens if I flick
 up/down.
 
 Is there something I am doing wrong, or is this a limitation of
 VoiceOver?
 
 Test URL:
 https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdonraikes.github.io%2FAccJet%2F%3Froot%3Dmodule3%26mod3%3Dtable&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ca94b3339d41c49346f0a08d70585bc98%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636983944258246055&sdata=r7Uweprw7bTTo91BlHD4cPIiKiBgCYC2WOCzeTq8DRY%3D&reserved=0
 
 Thanks in advance for any help.
 
 Donald Raikes
 
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Simple with Siri: Making an iPhone Accessible Regardless of Tech Know-How

[Russ Kiehne]

>From the current edition of Top Tech TidBits

Simple with Siri: Making an iPhone Accessible Regardless of Tech Know-How
This article from Second Sense recommends various ideas for people with little 
tech background:
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Re: Here is a Fabulous Pill Reminder App for iOS that is 100% VoiceOver Accessible

[Alan Lemly]

Hi Mark and List,

I wanted to update the list on a couple of other shortcomings I've found with 
the Pill Reminder app. I will be sure to report these to the developer as I did 
the crashing problem I experience when swiping out of the bottomline menu 
buttons into the main screen. By the way, I'm still experiencing the crashing 
even after purchasing the app upgrade.

The first additional shortcoming in my opinion is how a pill added to the app 
is identified. I added a medication that comes in many different strengths. 
When I searched the app by the medication's name, it provided me with a list of 
the various strengths and I selected the correct one. I wish the app would 
include the strength of the medication in its title after it's added but the 
app only lists the name of the medication. I realize I should be able to 
remember the strength of what I'm taking but it would be convenient and not 
require much space to include the milligram strength in the presentation of the 
medication.

The other shortcoming is when adding the pill count on hand when setting up a 
medication for the first time. When adding the pill count for a typical 
prescription, the user is presented with a simple text box where the applicable 
number can be input. However, when adding the number you currently have on 
hand, you are presented with picker items with separate pickers for hundreds, 
tens, and ones going from left to right but VoiceOver makes no identification 
of which picker is which. Also, a double zero is spoken after the ones picker 
that doesn't change and seems to be more appropriate when entering cents in a 
monetary field and not appropriate when entering a quantity.

I just wanted to make these issues known to the list and I'll report them to 
the developer when I get back to my computer.

Alan Lemly 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 9, 2019, at 6:52 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Alan,
> 
> I am glad that you have confirmed the app crashing issue with Pill Reminder 
> support.
> 
> And, yes, you are quite correct, I have updated to the full version.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Alan Lemly
> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2019 5:03 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Here is a Fabulous Pill Reminder App for iOS that is 100% 
> VoiceOver Accessible
> 
> 
> Hi Mark,
> 
> The Pill Reminder crashing problem I detailed in yesterday's post was 
> confirmed by Pill Reminder Support when I reported it to them yesterday. They 
> said they would fix it with the next update.
> 
> If you are unable to replicate the problem, perhaps you have updated to the 
> paid from the free version where I'm experiencing the issue.
> 
> Alan Lemly 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 8, 2019, at 11:47 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Alan,
>> 
>> As I stated in a previous post, I have not experienced any app crashes when 
>> running in iOS 12.x.
>> 
>> To upgrade to the full version on iPhone:
>> 
>> 1.
>> Open the App.  If you're running the app on a plus size phone, there will be 
>> 5 buttons located on the bottom row of the display.  They are, from left to 
>> right, Medications, Reminders, Calendar, Refills, and More.  
>> 
>> 2.
>> Single-finger, double-tap the More button.  The buttons on the bottom row 
>> will change to the following, from left to right:  Appointments, Reports, As 
>> Needed, and More.
>> 
>> 3.
>> Single-finger, double-tap the More button.  The buttons on the bottom row 
>> will change to the following, from left to right:  Users, Options, and More.
>> 
>> 4.
>> Select the Options button.  A list of options will fill the display.  
>> Explore this list until you come across the one that allows you to upgrade 
>> to the full version.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Alan Lemly
>> Sent: Monday, July 08, 2019 6:06 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Here is a Fabulous Pill Reminder App for iOS that is 100% 
>> VoiceOver Accessible
>> 
>> 
>> Richard,
>> 
>> I'm with you. While I very much appreciate Mark telling us about this app, I 
>> find it is crashing very often and I have added a pill to it and it is still 
>> crashing. If I place focus on the bottomline menu at the far right and start 
>> swiping left to cycle through the option buttons, when the last button on 
>> the left is passed on a swipe left, the app closes. I believe I also 
>> experienced it closing when swiping through option buttons at the top of the 
>> main screen after getting to the last button on the right and swiping right 
>> one more time.
>> 
>> I did find where you can do the in app purchase from the free version. At 
>> the far right of the bottomline menu is a more button. When executed, it 
>> places another set of bottomline buttons on the screen. If you press the 
>> more button on this second set of buttons

Ot: Enquiry for groups of general chat and netflix for blind people

[Ketan Kothari]

Hi friends,

Sorry for crossposting and OT but I wish to know if there is any group
for  general chat for blind people and also for Netflix.  I will be
grateful if anyone can help me off-list.

With best wishes,

Ketan

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RE: cleaner?.

[Brian K. Lingard]

Dear Billy & List:
This question might be more appropriate for BlindTech list.

There are three kinds of machines:

•Hot water extraction
•Steam
And the newest
•Vapor.

Vapor leaves the carpet almost bone dry, you do not require many 3 or 4 ft. 
square fans to blow air throughout the area to dry the carpet.

Hot water extraction is best for oily dirt, road tar, grease and grime.
Steam is probably best at removing dry dirt and killing any insect eggs in the 
carpet.
Not sure what vapor is best at. 

Consider buying a commercial-grade carpet cleaner designed for janitors, 
caretaker's daily use. They are built like a Sherman Tank, around the price of 
a good vacuum cleaner. Building owners are a cheap bunch, so their machines are 
priced low.

There are also smaller, commercial-grade machines for getting into tight 
corners etc.

The equipment seller can explain what machine you want to use for what dirt. 
Also, the correct cleaning chemicals to use and at what concentration.

If you have particularly bad, ground-in, dirt, you pre-spot with a chemical in 
an aerosol can to boost the clean you get.

Shout makes a carpet cleaning powder which you sprinkle generously on the 
carpet, let sit for the specified time, then vacuum it out, with lots of the 
dirt leaving with it.

Cleaning chemicals for commercial use are often approved for use in health 
care, retirement homes etc. facilities, with mild fragrance, if any.

Remember to ask the chemical's makers for correct use instructions, 
additionally, what I use to remove this sort of dirt that is ground in.

Commercial-grade machines will clean even the filthiest carpets usually in one 
pass.

My parents bought a Bissel shampooer that hooked up to a faucet, said if you 
ran it over same spot a dozen times it removed most of the dirt.

I said if it was any good, it would remove almost all dirt the first time. They 
thought about this and returned it to the department store for a full refund.

Janitors do not know much more about cleaning than you or I. They just have 
very effective cleaning chemicals!
Brian K. Lingard

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Hi guys, looking for the best accessible carpet washer on the market?
All the Best
Billy


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All The Best
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