Re: IOS13 are some rotor ems grayed out or?

[Liel Ben Simonליאל בן סימון]

Hi, it’s happends to me also. My iPhone works in hebrew and sims to me the 
language is dimd. I remember it was started from ios11 or may be ios10.

נשלח מה-iPhone שלי

> ‫ב-21 בספט׳ 2019, בשעה 8:26, ‏‏Richard Turner ‏ 
> כתב/ה:‬
> 
> for me, the language rotor item has always been dimmed and I have several l=
> anguages loaded.
> Dimmed meaning you cannot take it out of the rotor.
> This has been the case for several iOS versions.
> I wonder if it is country specific?
> Very odd.
> 
> 
> Richard
> 
> Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.
> 
> 
> On Sep 20, 2019, at 7:57 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> =EF=BB=BF
> Language is not dimmed for me, if it is you probably haven=E2=80=99t added =
> any languages or this is an iOS 13.0 thin

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Re: IOS13 are some rotor ems grayed out or?

[Richard Turner]

for me, the language rotor item has always been dimmed and I have several 
languages loaded.
Dimmed meaning you cannot take it out of the rotor.
This has been the case for several iOS versions.
I wonder if it is country specific?
Very odd.


Richard

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.


On Sep 20, 2019, at 7:57 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:


Language is not dimmed for me, if it is you probably haven’t added any 
languages or this is an iOS 13.0 things, I am already on the  iOS 13.1 beta.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 5:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS13 are some rotor ems grayed out or?

The Language has always been dimmed. I believe the Braille Table is new, and 
yes it is also dimmed or grayed out, whichever you prefer.
I haven't tried to move them in the order for a long time.


Richard

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.



On Sep 20, 2019, at 3:42 PM, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:
‘M wanting to move around some items on the rotor of iOS13 like “Braille 
Table”, “Language” and others, but they seem to be grayed out, and don’t want 
To be reorganized! Is this normal I wonder for the new iOS?

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel

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Re: PS4 and XBOX Controllers in IPhone

[Yohandy Rodriguez]

I'm actually planning on using it with the playstation's remote play app 
whenever they add controller support. it'll be so cool using my 
dualshock and phone to play Mortal Kombat 11 remotely. I'm sure xbox 
will also add it to their app soon.




On 9/20/2019 10:10 AM, 'Ming' via VIPhone wrote:

hi!
anyone like playing games and think about use ps4 and XBOX  Controllers
on your IPhone or IOS devices aftger updating IOS 13?

because IOS 13 can support bluetooth Controllers !
and do you think it is more better and more games can be playable  when using 
these Controllers ?


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chungchiming9950 face book: http://www.facebook.com/mingcm1



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Re: accessible measuring app?

[Robin Frost]

Hi,
What is a Tape King? and funny this comes up as I’d just recently been 
discussing with a friend how amazed I am that no one ever produced a 
retractable metal tape measure with tactile markings sort of like the talking 
one but without the large housing necessary for its talking component more like 
those people in trades use.
I apologize for straying off topic. I’ll be quiet now.
Take good care.
Robin


From: Sieghard Weitzel 
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 11:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: accessible measuring app?

I have been doing woodworking for 20 years and I absolutely agree that a Click 
Rule or talking tape measure are absolutely essential if you want to do stuff 
with any degree of accuracy.

There is also the Rotomatic (not sure if I spell this correctly), it is 
somewhat the same concept as a Click Rule, but I believe instead of pulling out 
a threaded rod which then makes a click every sixteenth of an inch the 
Rotomatic works by the user turning a stop along a threaded rod and it can give 
you accuracy down to a 1/64 of an inch whereas the imperial click rule is 
accurate to 1/16 of an inch and the metric click rule is accurate to 1mm which 
is better than a sixteenth, but not quite as good a 1/32.

Having said this, 1/16 is adequate in a lot of situations and 1mm is of course 
even better.

The Cobalt talking tape measure if set to imperial is also accurate to 1/16 and 
if set to metric it is 1mm. I like the fact that you can include the length of 
the housing in your measurement if, for example, you want to measure the inside 
of a cabinet or drawer, you can also measure something and push a button to add 
that measurement to memory, then measure the next item and add it and so on and 
in the end push a button to get a total. This can be handy if you do things 
like baseboard trim, they usually come in 16 foot length so I could go and 
measure several walls and add up each measurement until I get close to 16 feet 
and this way I can minimize waste. The Cobalt can also be set to read out in 
inches, feet and inches, e.g. 25 inches or 2 feet 1 inches, on the metric side 
you can do metres, centimetres or millimeters, e.g. 1 metre and 10 centimetres 
can also be read as 110 centimetres or 1,010 millimetres. I assume that Tape 
King can maybe do the same, but I don’t know. Max, could you contact me 
off-list as I’d love to learn more about Tape King. 

I have both a couple of Cobalt tape measures, I have I think 4 imperial click 
rules and 1 metric because when I am really working on a larger project I often 
will use 2 or 3 at the same time, e.g. if I want to measure how far away from 
the edge of a sheet of plywood the rail of my track saw is especially if I am 
cutting along the 8 foot length of the plywood, it is much better to have a 
click rule on each end than to run around with a single one.

There is absolutely no way an app is going to be accurate enough for any sort 
of good woodworking and I highly doubt you would see a single professional and 
sighted woodworker use an app like the Measure app over a tape measure even 
though they could probably use it with much better precision in terms of lining 
up start and end point. The fact is that if you want to do any sort of 
woodworking it will be an expensive hobby.

Lastly, don’t forget the usefulness of setup blocks/bars like these:

15 piece setup bar set

This 15-piece set is one of the most complete and best I have found, I also 
have a couple of smaller 5 or 6 piece ones which you can get in metric or 
imperial and if I know I want to rip a 2 inch strip off something on my table 
saw or I want to set the height on my router bit to half an inch than using the 
appropriate setup bar is way easier than trying to set the table saw fence with 
the click rule.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Robert 
Wright
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 12:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: accessible measuring app?

 

Unfortunately, this address is no longer valid.

 

**If we can't look at ourselves, and ask, why?  then where does the 
learning start?*** 

 

From: 'RobH.' via VIPhone
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 1:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: accessible measuring app?

 

Fascinating, hate to think of the possible price.

 

robH.

- Original Message - 

From: "Richard Turner" 

To: 

Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 1:44 AM

Subject: Re: accessible measuring app?

 

 

The below came from the Vision Aware site of AFB.

The Click Rule

 

The Click Rule is a metal tubular device slightly longer than 7 1/2 inches. A 
7-inch threaded rod is inserted into the tube. A 

knurled locking knob is screwed into the top of the threaded rod through a long 
slot that has been machined into the tube.

 

[closeup of someone using the Click Rule to measure a board]

 

The Click Rule

 

As the threaded rod is extended into and out of the tube,

RE: replacing my IPad Mini

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I would only buy a new Apple device from Apple unless a place like Best Buy or 
such were to offer a deal, but typically the deals are more on the older 
products they want to get rid of and not the brand new ones.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Vicki W.
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 11:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: replacing my IPad Mini

Thank you  to both you and Richard. I've found it on both Amazon and Apple, 
although I didn't check the price on Apple. What do you think the advantages 
are of purchasing it from Apple over Amazon?


- Original Message -
From: Dave
To: IPhone
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: replacing my IPad Mini

Hi Vicki. I have the latest iPad Mini 5th generation, and it only comes in the 
one size.

But it is an excellent device, and is plenty big enough for me.

Dave.


From: Vicki W.
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 6:59 PM
To: IPhone
Subject: replacing my IPad Mini

Good Afternoon,

Looks like I am needing to replace my IPad Mini if I want to update the IOS. 
The latest IPad is showing a 7.9 inch screen, but I thought there was one just 
a little larger. Any recommendations?

Thanks.

Vicki

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RE: IOS13 are some rotor ems grayed out or?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Language is not dimmed for me, if it is you probably haven’t added any 
languages or this is an iOS 13.0 things, I am already on the  iOS 13.1 beta.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 5:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS13 are some rotor ems grayed out or?

The Language has always been dimmed. I believe the Braille Table is new, and 
yes it is also dimmed or grayed out, whichever you prefer.
I haven't tried to move them in the order for a long time.


Richard

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.



On Sep 20, 2019, at 3:42 PM, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:
‘M wanting to move around some items on the rotor of iOS13 like “Braille 
Table”, “Language” and others, but they seem to be grayed out, and don’t want 
To be reorganized! Is this normal I wonder for the new iOS?

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel

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RE: accessible measuring app?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

That did sound like a pretty good deal, but the listing has ended and in any 
case, I am in Canada and the seller said he only ships to the US.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of CrazyEyez
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 9:43 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: accessible measuring app?

I found one on ebay if you have an account.
Here's the link if you are interested.
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F264469004125


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 20, 2019, at 12:38 PM, Matthew Bullis 
mailto:matthewbulli...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I believe the talking tape measure is in the Maxi Aids catalog or the
Independent Living Aids catalog. I ordered it from one of those about
five years ago, but can't remember which one.
Matthew

On 9/20/19, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

Doing a Google search did give me this:
Talking Tape Measure by Cobalt – horizons for the
Blind

You can of course contact Cobalt directly in
England,
they’ll ship to you as far as I know and without the 9 Volt battery it costs
52.95 British Pounds which converts approx. to
$66 to
$68, maybe $70 max. if your credit card charges a bit of a higher exchange
rate On this Horizons for the Blind
Website it’s $105 US and I have a feeling it will cost less than $35 US to
ship it from England.
I actually was planning to get one shipped, I have 1 which doesn’t work any
more and my second one is getting a bit beat up and I believe if you send
them back they’ll fix them up or replace them. Here in Canada the CNIB sells
them and I find it interesting how a governmental agency puts such a huge
mark-up on stuff, they want $169.95 Canadian for it and it actually shows
it’s out of stock and they don’t know when they get more. 52.95 British
Pounds converts to approx. 88 Canadian Dollars so their price is almost
double.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of
Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 9:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: accessible measuring app?

Hi Sieghard,
Do you know of a North American distributer for the Cobolt Talking Tape?

Thanks,
Richard

Richard

🖖 Live long and prosper


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 8:43 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: accessible measuring app?

I have been doing woodworking for 20 years and I absolutely agree that a
Click Rule or talking tape measure are absolutely essential if you want to
do stuff with any degree of accuracy.
There is also the Rotomatic (not sure if I spell this correctly), it is
somewhat the same concept as a Click Rule, but I believe instead of pulling
out a threaded rod which then makes a click every sixteenth of an inch the
Rotomatic works by the user turning a stop along a threaded rod and it can
give you accuracy down to a 1/64 of an inch whereas the imperial click rule
is accurate to 1/16 of an inch and the metric click rule is accurate to 1mm
which is better than a sixteenth, but not quite as good a 1/32.
Having said this, 1/16 is adequate in a lot of situations and 1mm is of
course even better.
The Cobalt talking tape measure if set to imperial is also accurate to 1/16
and if set to metric it is 1mm. I like the fact that you can include the
length of the housing in your measurement if, for example, you want to
measure the inside of a cabinet or drawer, you can also measure something
and push a button to add that measurement to memory, then measure the next
item and add it and so on and in the end push a button to get a total. This
can be handy if you do things like baseboard trim, they usually come in 16
foot length so I could go and measure several walls and add up each
measurement until I get close to 16 feet and this way I can minimize waste.
The Cobalt can also be set to read out in inches, feet and inches, e.g. 25
inches or 2 feet 1 inches, on the metric side you can do metres, centimetres
or millimeters, e.g. 1 metre and 10 centimetres can also be read as 110
centimetres or 1,010 millimetres. I assume that Tape King can maybe do the
same, but I don’t know. Max, could you contact me off-list as I’d love to
learn more about Tape King.
I have both a couple of Cobalt tape measures, I have I think 4 imperial
click rules and 1 metric because when I am really working on a larger
project I often will use 2 or 3 at the same time, e.g. if I want to measure
how far away from the edge of a sheet of plywood the rail of my track saw is
especially if I am cutting along the 8 foot

RE: I have some questions about manipulating files on the iPhone and my PC

[R Van Lant]

Another resource may be Judy Dixon's book on writing with the iPhone available 
an National Braille Press, but if Mystic Access did a whole book on Voice Dream 
Writer specifically, I'd go for that. 


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Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 10:24 AM
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Subject: Re: I have some questions about manipulating files on the iPhone and 
my PC

Hi Andy,

No, I haven't written a tutorial, though I did write a little about it in the 
book about educational apps I wrote for National Braille Press. Mystic Access 
did a great tutorial though.

Best,
Anna




> On Sep 11, 2019, at 10:46 AM, Andrew J. LaPointe  
> wrote:
> 
>   Hi Anna, do you sell a tutorial of Voice Dream Writer?  I want to purchase 
> it and thought of getting a Bluetooth keyboard for my Iphone.  I could use 
> VDW and convert this file to BRF and add it to my Orbit 20.  Just need the 
> tutorial.  Andy and Shubert
> 
> -Original Message- From: Anna Dresner
> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 11:25 AM
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> Subject: Re: I have some questions about manipulating files on the iPhone and 
> my PC
> 
> Hi Kevin,
> 
> I would suggest Voice Dream Writer. You can use simple bits of text to make 
> headings, for example, which makes navigating the document and moving text 
> easier. It also includes a dictionary and the ability to proofread with a lot 
> of detail spoken about the text.
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 11, 2019, at 10:22 AM, Kevin Minor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi again.
>> 
>> As I said in a prior message, I’m creating a very large txt file on my PC 
>> using Notepad that I want to send to a friend. I just had a thought. It 
>> would be nice to work with it on my iPhone when I’m out somewhere. With this 
>> in mind, I have some questions.
>> 
>> First, I have Office 365. This has One Drive with it. I’m really sure I can 
>> put the file I’m editing there, and it will be available between both my PC 
>> and my iPhone. I know I need to download the app onto my iPhone. I know how 
>> to get the file I’m working with onto One Drive, but I don’t know how to do 
>> anything with it on the iPhone. What do I do on my iPhone to work with it?
>> 
>> My last question concerns working with the file itself on my iPhone X. 
>> What’s the best program to edit a plain txt file on the iPhone? Is there a 
>> native app that will handle large txt files that are accessible, or should I 
>> look for an app? If the later, what app is the best for what I want? 
>> Finally, should I use something other than txt format? This file doesn’t 
>> have any fancy things regarding formatting, and right now that’s fine with 
>> me. I don’t know how something using their eyes with no accibility features 
>> would see what I write, so is there something to consider, and if so, what 
>> should I do?
>> 
>> That’s it. Thanks in advance for any help. I’m a baby when it comes to this 
>> stuff, so be as patient with me as you can.
>> 
>> Have a good day and don’t work too hard.
>> Kevin and Jilly
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: replacing my IPad Mini

[Pete Nalda]

You’re right!  7.9. My bad. 

Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
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> On Sep 20, 2019, at 3:30 PM, Dave  wrote:
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> I think it’s 7.9.
>  
> From: Pete Nalda
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>  
> 
> Yes, the iPad mini 5 is 7.5. Plenty big for me!  It also offers Apple Pencil 
> support. 
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>> On Sep 20, 2019, at 12:59 PM, Vicki W.  wrote:
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>> Good Afternoon,
>>  
>> Looks like I am needing to replace my IPad Mini if I want to update the IOS. 
>> The latest IPad is showing a 7.9 inch screen, but I thought there was one 
>> just a little larger. Any recommendations?
>>  
>> Thanks.
>>  
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Re: Shift key does not work in IOs13

[Danny Leung]

Hi,

I need to clarify, the shift key does not work in WhatsApp app. It is working 
fine in the mail app. 
 

I am not sure it is IOS 13 or WhatsApp issue.

Blessing,
Rev. Danny
 From my Mobile


> On 20 Sep 2019, at 4:22 PM, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:
> 

At my end, the shift key works just fine on my bluetooth keyboard! It’s an 
Elle-Gate model; those cheap types, which I’ve had with me a bit over a year 
and a half.

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel

> El 20 sep 2019, a la(s) 2:32 p. m., dlng321.mob...@gmail.com escribió:
> 
> 
>  
> Hi all,
>  
> Have any one experience the shift key no longer work when using an external 
> keyboard with IOS 13? I happened more than 1 keyboards.
>  
> Danny
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Re: IOS13 are some rotor ems grayed out or?

[Richard Turner]

The Language has always been dimmed. I believe the Braille Table is new, and 
yes it is also dimmed or grayed out, whichever you prefer.
I haven't tried to move them in the order for a long time.


Richard

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On Sep 20, 2019, at 3:42 PM, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:

‘M wanting to move around some items on the rotor of iOS13 like “Braille 
Table”, “Language” and others, but they seem to be grayed out, and don’t want 
To be reorganized! Is this normal I wonder for the new iOS?

Gera
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RE: replacing my IPad Mini

[Carolyn Arnold]

My husband carries a tote bag to the doctor, because he has files and stuff in 
there. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


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Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 6:01 PM
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Subject: Re: replacing my IPad Mini

You could, just call it a "man bag." LOL. 

Richard 

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2. 



On Sep 20, 2019, at 2:10 PM, Anthony Vece  wrote:



 Richard; 
I don’t carry a purse!
LOL!!!


Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!


On Sep 20, 2019, at 5:05 PM, Richard Turner 
 wrote:



 anthony, 
Portable is in the eye of the beholder.
the iPad 7 will not fit a purse, unless one has a very large 
purse.
The iPad 7 is a little larger than the original iPad, while the 
mini is over two inches smaller diagonally.
To each his or her own.


Richard 

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2. 



On Sep 20, 2019, at 11:54 AM, Anthony Vece 
 wrote:



 
Richard is the iPad seven not portable??
Thanks in advance
Anthony

Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!


On Sep 20, 2019, at 2:12 PM, Richard Turner 
 wrote:



 

That is the size of the iPad Mini.  The iPad 
Mini 2019 is a very nice unit.

I got my wife one for her birthday in June.

I have no idea if Apple will come out with 
something different next Spring.

There is also the new iPad 7 that is 10.2 
inches diagonal, which costs less than the iPad Mini 2019.

 

My wife prefers the Mini because of its 
portability.

 



 

Richard

 

🖖 Live long and prosper

 

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Vicki W.
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 10:59 AM
To: IPhone 
Subject: replacing my IPad Mini

 

Good Afternoon,

 

Looks like I am needing to replace my IPad Mini 
if I want to update the IOS. The latest IPad is showing a 7.9 inch screen, but 
I thought there was one just a little larger. Any recommendations?

 

Thanks.

 

Vicki

 

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Re: IOS13 are some rotor ems grayed out or?

[Holly]

On my rotor settings, the 'language' is always grayed out.

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RE: replacing my IPad Mini

[ilovecountrymusic483]

I have had my ipad mini for a few months now and find it is just the rite size 
and yes it is very portible and love the batter life.
 
Matthew
 
 
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 2:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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That is the size of the iPad Mini.  The iPad Mini 2019 is a very nice unit.
I got my wife one for her birthday in June.
I have no idea if Apple will come out with something different next Spring.
There is also the new iPad 7 that is 10.2 inches diagonal, which costs less 
than the iPad Mini 2019.
 
My wife prefers the Mini because of its portability.
 
 
 
Richard
 
🖖 Live long and prosper
 
 
Check out my web site at:   www.turner42.com
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
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Vicki W.
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To: IPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: replacing my IPad Mini
 
Good Afternoon,
 
Looks like I am needing to replace my IPad Mini if I want to update the IOS. 
The latest IPad is showing a 7.9 inch screen, but I thought there was one just 
a little larger. Any recommendations?
 
Thanks.
 
Vicki
 
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IOS13 are some rotor ems grayed out or?

[Gerardo Corripio]

‘M wanting to move around some items on the rotor of iOS13 like “Braille 
Table”, “Language” and others, but they seem to be grayed out, and don’t want 
To be reorganized! Is this normal I wonder for the new iOS?

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel

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Re: replacing my IPad Mini

[Richard Turner]

You could, just call it a "man bag." LOL.

Richard

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On Sep 20, 2019, at 2:10 PM, Anthony Vece  wrote:

 Richard;
I don’t carry a purse!
LOL!!!

Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!

On Sep 20, 2019, at 5:05 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:

 anthony,
Portable is in the eye of the beholder.
the iPad 7 will not fit a purse, unless one has a very large purse.
The iPad 7 is a little larger than the original iPad, while the mini is over 
two inches smaller diagonally.
To each his or her own.


Richard

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.


On Sep 20, 2019, at 11:54 AM, Anthony Vece  wrote:


Richard is the iPad seven not portable??
Thanks in advance
Anthony

Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!

On Sep 20, 2019, at 2:12 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:


That is the size of the iPad Mini.  The iPad Mini 2019 is a very nice unit.
I got my wife one for her birthday in June.
I have no idea if Apple will come out with something different next Spring.
There is also the new iPad 7 that is 10.2 inches diagonal, which costs less 
than the iPad Mini 2019.

My wife prefers the Mini because of its portability.


Richard

🖖 Live long and prosper


Check out my web site at: 
www.turner42.com

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Subject: replacing my IPad Mini

Good Afternoon,

Looks like I am needing to replace my IPad Mini if I want to update the IOS. 
The latest IPad is showing a 7.9 inch screen, but I thought there was one just 
a little larger. Any recommendations?

Thanks.

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Re: replacing my IPad Mini

[Anthony Vece]

Richard;
I don’t carry a purse!
LOL!!!

Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!

> On Sep 20, 2019, at 5:05 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
>  anthony,
> Portable is in the eye of the beholder.
> the iPad 7 will not fit a purse, unless one has a very large purse.
> The iPad 7 is a little larger than the original iPad, while the mini is over 
> two inches smaller diagonally.
> To each his or her own.
> 
> 
> Richard
> 
> Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2. 
> 
> 
>>> On Sep 20, 2019, at 11:54 AM, Anthony Vece  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> Richard is the iPad seven not portable??
>> Thanks in advance
>> Anthony
>> 
>> Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!
>> 
>>> On Sep 20, 2019, at 2:12 PM, Richard Turner  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> That is the size of the iPad Mini.  The iPad Mini 2019 is a very nice unit.
>>> I got my wife one for her birthday in June.
>>> I have no idea if Apple will come out with something different next Spring.
>>> There is also the new iPad 7 that is 10.2 inches diagonal, which costs less 
>>> than the iPad Mini 2019.
>>>  
>>> My wife prefers the Mini because of its portability.
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Richard
>>>  
>>> 🖖 Live long and prosper
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com
>>>  
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>>> Vicki W.
>>> Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 10:59 AM
>>> To: IPhone 
>>> Subject: replacing my IPad Mini
>>>  
>>> Good Afternoon,
>>>  
>>> Looks like I am needing to replace my IPad Mini if I want to update the 
>>> IOS. The latest IPad is showing a 7.9 inch screen, but I thought there was 
>>> one just a little larger. Any recommendations?
>>>  
>>> Thanks.
>>>  
>>> Vicki
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Re: iOS13 and reading EMails with the native Mail app changed?

[Richard Turner]

That was worse in the early betas; it would dump you out of mail.
So, while inconvenient, this is an improvement.
What you are doing is the only way right now.
Maybe in iOS 13.1 it will be back to normal.


Richard

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.


On Sep 20, 2019, at 1:07 PM, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:

in iOS13, did how one read and interact with Mail within the native Mail app 
change? I’m reading along an EMail, using the regular unthread view; when it 
comes time to double-tap on the Delete button taking off almost half of the 
botom part of the screen, it doesn’t jump me to the next or previous Email as 
before: it says No EMail selected? I need to use the scrub gesture in order to 
get back to the eMails, and double-tap on the next one. Is this normal behavior 
in iOS13? if so what’s the way to jump to the next EMail after deleting as I 
could do before?

Gera
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Re: replacing my IPad Mini

[Richard Turner]

anthony,
Portable is in the eye of the beholder.
the iPad 7 will not fit a purse, unless one has a very large purse.
The iPad 7 is a little larger than the original iPad, while the mini is over 
two inches smaller diagonally.
To each his or her own.


Richard

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.


On Sep 20, 2019, at 11:54 AM, Anthony Vece  wrote:


Richard is the iPad seven not portable??
Thanks in advance
Anthony

Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!

On Sep 20, 2019, at 2:12 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:


That is the size of the iPad Mini.  The iPad Mini 2019 is a very nice unit.
I got my wife one for her birthday in June.
I have no idea if Apple will come out with something different next Spring.
There is also the new iPad 7 that is 10.2 inches diagonal, which costs less 
than the iPad Mini 2019.

My wife prefers the Mini because of its portability.


Richard

🖖 Live long and prosper


Check out my web site at: 
www.turner42.com

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Vicki W.
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 10:59 AM
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Subject: replacing my IPad Mini

Good Afternoon,

Looks like I am needing to replace my IPad Mini if I want to update the IOS. 
The latest IPad is showing a 7.9 inch screen, but I thought there was one just 
a little larger. Any recommendations?

Thanks.

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Re: replacing my IPad Mini

[Dave]

I think it’s 7.9.

From: Pete Nalda 
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 8:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: replacing my IPad Mini


Yes, the iPad mini 5 is 7.5. Plenty big for me!  It also offers Apple Pencil 
support. 

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On Sep 20, 2019, at 12:59 PM, Vicki W.  wrote:


  Good Afternoon,

  Looks like I am needing to replace my IPad Mini if I want to update the IOS. 
The latest IPad is showing a 7.9 inch screen, but I thought there was one just 
a little larger. Any recommendations?

  Thanks.

  Vicki

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Re: replacing my IPad Mini

[Dave]

The iPad mini 5th gen, is very portable.

Dave.


From: Anthony Vece 
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 7:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: replacing my IPad Mini

Richard is the iPad seven not portable??
Thanks in advance
Anthony

Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!


  On Sep 20, 2019, at 2:12 PM, Richard Turner  
wrote:


   
  That is the size of the iPad Mini.  The iPad Mini 2019 is a very nice unit.

  I got my wife one for her birthday in June.

  I have no idea if Apple will come out with something different next Spring.

  There is also the new iPad 7 that is 10.2 inches diagonal, which costs less 
than the iPad Mini 2019.

   

  My wife prefers the Mini because of its portability.

   


   

  Richard

   

  🖖 Live long and prosper

   

   

  Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Vicki 
W.
  Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 10:59 AM
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  Subject: replacing my IPad Mini

   

  Good Afternoon,

   

  Looks like I am needing to replace my IPad Mini if I want to update the IOS. 
The latest IPad is showing a 7.9 inch screen, but I thought there was one just 
a little larger. Any recommendations?

   

  Thanks.

   

  Vicki

   

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Re: don't forget to prepare your phone before updating it can prevent bugs

[Kathy Brandt]

How about copying and pasting text? I do that between male messages sometimes, 
and wouldn’t like doing without this.



> On Sep 20, 2019, at 4:20 PM, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:
> 
> I restarted the phone after the iOS13 update had finished downloading, when 
> an error that it couldn’t install, double-tapping on “Remind me Later” which 
> a Restart solved the issue, and when the update had been installed and set 
> up.NO major bugs to speak of so far! yes minor ones like with the Mail native 
> app when reading EMail as talked about in a previous EMail on here, and 
> several rotor options not wanting to be reordered within the rotor list, but 
> other than that? I’m very glad I updated! I’m enjoying all the new features! 
> especially the Activities, and the context Menu on the rotor.
> 
> Gera
> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel
> 
>> El 20 sep 2019, a la(s) 2:43 p. m., Davy Cuppens  
>> escribió:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi folks
>>  
>> There are bugs that some have and others don’t.
>>  
>> When having issues with whatever update, you can always try the following 
>> things.
>>  
>> Before updating, restart your phone, reset all network settings and so stop 
>> all bluetooth and wifi connections. Then update your phone.
>> After updating, do a hard reset on the iphone and how to do this differs 
>> from device type you find this in the manual. Maybe this can resolve strange 
>> third keyboard behaviour.
>> Regards
>> Davy
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Re: Deactivating Vibration Voiceover feedback on iPHone 7 series?

[Ed Worrell]

Hey There,

You have to go into the VoiceOVer settings menu. Accessibility, VoiceOver, 
audio and then sounds/haptics. In this menu you should see an option to turn 
off/on haptics.

Ed W.


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> Several of my blind Spanish-speaking friends, are wondering (they updated 
> their 7 to iOS13 of course), how does one deactivate Voiceover’s vibration 
> feedback? I told them to go into Settings/Accessibility/Voiceover/Audio, but 
> they only see sounds. Thanks for any info.
> 
> Gera
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Re: Shift key does not work in IOs13

[Gerardo Corripio]

At my end, the shift key works just fine on my bluetooth keyboard! It’s an 
Elle-Gate model; those cheap types, which I’ve had with me a bit over a year 
and a half.

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel

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> Hi all,
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> Have any one experience the shift key no longer work when using an external 
> keyboard with IOS 13? I happened more than 1 keyboards.
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Re: don't forget to prepare your phone before updating it can prevent bugs

[Gerardo Corripio]

I restarted the phone after the iOS13 update had finished downloading, when an 
error that it couldn’t install, double-tapping on “Remind me Later” which a 
Restart solved the issue, and when the update had been installed and set up.NO 
major bugs to speak of so far! yes minor ones like with the Mail native app 
when reading EMail as talked about in a previous EMail on here, and several 
rotor options not wanting to be reordered within the rotor list, but other than 
that? I’m very glad I updated! I’m enjoying all the new features! especially 
the Activities, and the context Menu on the rotor.

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel

> El 20 sep 2019, a la(s) 2:43 p. m., Davy Cuppens  
> escribió:
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> 
> Hi folks
>  
> There are bugs that some have and others don’t.
>  
> When having issues with whatever update, you can always try the following 
> things.
>  
> Before updating, restart your phone, reset all network settings and so stop 
> all bluetooth and wifi connections. Then update your phone.
> After updating, do a hard reset on the iphone and how to do this differs from 
> device type you find this in the manual. Maybe this can resolve strange third 
> keyboard behaviour.
> Regards
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iOS13 and reading EMails with the native Mail app changed?

[Gerardo Corripio]

in iOS13, did how one read and interact with Mail within the native Mail app 
change? I’m reading along an EMail, using the regular unthread view; when it 
comes time to double-tap on the Delete button taking off almost half of the 
botom part of the screen, it doesn’t jump me to the next or previous Email as 
before: it says No EMail selected? I need to use the scrub gesture in order to 
get back to the eMails, and double-tap on the next one. Is this normal behavior 
in iOS13? if so what’s the way to jump to the next EMail after deleting as I 
could do before?

Gera
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Deactivating Vibration Voiceover feedback on iPHone 7 series?

[Gerardo Corripio]

Several of my blind Spanish-speaking friends, are wondering (they updated their 
7 to iOS13 of course), how does one deactivate Voiceover’s vibration feedback? 
I told them to go into Settings/Accessibility/Voiceover/Audio, but they only 
see sounds. Thanks for any info.

Gera
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don't forget to prepare your phone before updating it can prevent bugs

[Davy Cuppens]

Hi folks 

There are bugs that some have and others don’t.

When having issues with whatever update, you can always try the following 
things.

Before updating, restart your phone, reset all network settings and so stop all 
bluetooth and wifi connections. Then update your phone.
After updating, do a hard reset on the iphone and how to do this differs from 
device type you find this in the manual. Maybe this can resolve strange third 
keyboard behaviour.
Regards
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Re: Shift key does not work in IOs13

['Dan' via VIPhone]

Hello,
It's working fine for me. I'm using the Apple Magic keyboard and it's working 
just fine.

Later.



Danny

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Re: replacing my IPad Mini

[Pete Nalda]

Yes, the iPad mini 5 is 7.5. Plenty big for me!  It also offers Apple Pencil 
support. 
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> On Sep 20, 2019, at 12:59 PM, Vicki W.  wrote:
> 
> Good Afternoon,
>  
> Looks like I am needing to replace my IPad Mini if I want to update the IOS. 
> The latest IPad is showing a 7.9 inch screen, but I thought there was one 
> just a little larger. Any recommendations?
>  
> Thanks.
>  
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Shift key does not work in IOs13

[dlng321.mobile]

 

Hi all,

 

Have any one experience the shift key no longer work when using an external 
keyboard with IOS 13? I happened more than 1 keyboards.

 

Danny 

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Re: accessible measuring app?

[Albert Ruel]

I have two of those talking tape measures in my shop, and neither one works 
anymore. Funny how they will only bounce on the concrete floor two or three 
times before failing altogether. I like that I might be able to have them 
repaired.

Thx, Albert

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 20, 2019, at 9:25 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

Doing a Google search did give me this:
Talking Tape Measure by Cobalt – horizons for the Blind
 
You can of course contact Cobalt directly in England, they’ll ship to you as 
far as I know and without the 9 Volt battery it costs 52.95 British Pounds 
which converts approx. to
$66 to 
$68, maybe $70 max. if your credit card charges a bit of a higher exchange rate 
On this Horizons for the Blind
Website it’s $105 US and I have a feeling it will cost less than $35 US to ship 
it from England.
I actually was planning to get one shipped, I have 1 which doesn’t work any 
more and my second one is getting a bit beat up and I believe if you send them 
back they’ll fix them up or replace them. Here in Canada the CNIB sells them 
and I find it interesting how a governmental agency puts such a huge mark-up on 
stuff, they want $169.95 Canadian for it and it actually shows it’s out of 
stock and they don’t know when they get more. 52.95 British Pounds converts to 
approx. 88 Canadian Dollars so their price is almost double.  
 
Regards,
Sieghard
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 9:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: accessible measuring app?
 
Hi Sieghard,
Do you know of a North American distributer for the Cobolt Talking Tape?
 
Thanks,
Richard
 
Richard
 
🖖 Live long and prosper
 
 
Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 8:43 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: accessible measuring app?
 
I have been doing woodworking for 20 years and I absolutely agree that a Click 
Rule or talking tape measure are absolutely essential if you want to do stuff 
with any degree of accuracy.
There is also the Rotomatic (not sure if I spell this correctly), it is 
somewhat the same concept as a Click Rule, but I believe instead of pulling out 
a threaded rod which then makes a click every sixteenth of an inch the 
Rotomatic works by the user turning a stop along a threaded rod and it can give 
you accuracy down to a 1/64 of an inch whereas the imperial click rule is 
accurate to 1/16 of an inch and the metric click rule is accurate to 1mm which 
is better than a sixteenth, but not quite as good a 1/32.
Having said this, 1/16 is adequate in a lot of situations and 1mm is of course 
even better.
The Cobalt talking tape measure if set to imperial is also accurate to 1/16 and 
if set to metric it is 1mm. I like the fact that you can include the length of 
the housing in your measurement if, for example, you want to measure the inside 
of a cabinet or drawer, you can also measure something and push a button to add 
that measurement to memory, then measure the next item and add it and so on and 
in the end push a button to get a total. This can be handy if you do things 
like baseboard trim, they usually come in 16 foot length so I could go and 
measure several walls and add up each measurement until I get close to 16 feet 
and this way I can minimize waste. The Cobalt can also be set to read out in 
inches, feet and inches, e.g. 25 inches or 2 feet 1 inches, on the metric side 
you can do metres, centimetres or millimeters, e.g. 1 metre and 10 centimetres 
can also be read as 110 centimetres or 1,010 millimetres. I assume that Tape 
King can maybe do the same, but I don’t know. Max, could you contact me 
off-list as I’d love to learn more about Tape King.
I have both a couple of Cobalt tape measures, I have I think 4 imperial click 
rules and 1 metric because when I am really working on a larger project I often 
will use 2 or 3 at the same time, e.g. if I want to measure how far away from 
the edge of a sheet of plywood the rail of my track saw is especially if I am 
cutting along the 8 foot length of the plywood, it is much better to have a 
click rule on each end than to run around with a single one.
There is absolutely no way an app is going to be accurate enough for any sort 
of good woodworking and I highly doubt you would see a single professional and 
sighted woodworker use an app like the Measure app over a tape measure even 
though they could probably use it with much better precision in terms of lining 
up start and end point. The fact is that if you want to do any sort of 
woodworking it will be an expensive hobby.
Lastly, don’t forget the usefulness of setup blocks/bars like these:
15 piece setup bar set
This 15-piece set is one of the most complete and best I have found, I also 
have a couple of smaller 5 or 6 piece ones which you can get in metric or 
imperial and if I know I want to rip a 2 inch strip off something on my

Watch OS 6 - App Removal

[Peter Logan]

Does anyone know how to do this?  I can only seem to get into an edit mode
of the app ..

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Re: replacing my IPad Mini

[Keith Bierman]

Apple often has refurbished units with full support ... used items from
elsewhere seldom have that ;>
Keith Bierman
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On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 12:34 PM Richard Turner 
wrote:

> Either way is fine.
> If you want Apple Care, make sure to select it at Amazon or Apple.
> It might be easier with Apple.
> HTH,
>
>
> Richard
>
> Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.
>
>
> On Sep 20, 2019, at 11:19 AM, Vicki W.  wrote:
>
> 
> Thank you  to both you and Richard. I've found it on both Amazon and
> Apple, although I didn't check the price on Apple. What do you think the
> advantages are of purchasing it from Apple over Amazon?
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Dave 
> *To:* IPhone 
> *Sent:* Friday, September 20, 2019 11:10 AM
> *Subject:* Re: replacing my IPad Mini
>
> Hi Vicki. I have the latest iPad Mini 5th generation, and it only comes in
> the one size.
>
> But it is an excellent device, and is plenty big enough for me.
>
> Dave.
>
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> *Subject:* replacing my IPad Mini
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Re: replacing my IPad Mini

[Anthony Vece]

Richard is the iPad seven not portable??
Thanks in advance
Anthony

Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!

> On Sep 20, 2019, at 2:12 PM, Richard Turner  
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> 
> That is the size of the iPad Mini.  The iPad Mini 2019 is a very nice unit.
> I got my wife one for her birthday in June.
> I have no idea if Apple will come out with something different next Spring.
> There is also the new iPad 7 that is 10.2 inches diagonal, which costs less 
> than the iPad Mini 2019.
>  
> My wife prefers the Mini because of its portability.
>  
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> W.
> Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 10:59 AM
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> Subject: replacing my IPad Mini
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Re: replacing my IPad Mini

[Anthony Vece]

I would order from Amazon because returns are so much easier
And that goes for anything or anyone particularly Verizon.

Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!

> On Sep 20, 2019, at 2:19 PM, Vicki W.  wrote:
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> 
> Thank you  to both you and Richard. I've found it on both Amazon and Apple, 
> although I didn't check the price on Apple. What do you think the advantages 
> are of purchasing it from Apple over Amazon?
>  
>  
> - Original Message -
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> To: IPhone
> Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 11:10 AM
> Subject: Re: replacing my IPad Mini
> 
> Hi Vicki. I have the latest iPad Mini 5th generation, and it only comes in 
> the one size.
>  
> But it is an excellent device, and is plenty big enough for me.
>  
> Dave.
>  
>  
> From: Vicki W.
> Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 6:59 PM
> To: IPhone
> Subject: replacing my IPad Mini
>  
> Good Afternoon,
>  
> Looks like I am needing to replace my IPad Mini if I want to update the IOS. 
> The latest IPad is showing a 7.9 inch screen, but I thought there was one 
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Re: accessible measuring app?

[Dan Rathburn]

You can get it directly from cobolt.co.uk for $68.61 at the current exchange 
rate. Shipping is free last I checked.

HTH,

Dan



The nice thing about science is that it's true whether you believe in it or not.


From: Richard Turner 
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 12:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: accessible measuring app?


Hi Sieghard,

Do you know of a North American distributer for the Cobolt Talking Tape?


Thanks,

Richard

 

Richard

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 8:43 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: accessible measuring app?

 

I have been doing woodworking for 20 years and I absolutely agree that a Click 
Rule or talking tape measure are absolutely essential if you want to do stuff 
with any degree of accuracy.

There is also the Rotomatic (not sure if I spell this correctly), it is 
somewhat the same concept as a Click Rule, but I believe instead of pulling out 
a threaded rod which then makes a click every sixteenth of an inch the 
Rotomatic works by the user turning a stop along a threaded rod and it can give 
you accuracy down to a 1/64 of an inch whereas the imperial click rule is 
accurate to 1/16 of an inch and the metric click rule is accurate to 1mm which 
is better than a sixteenth, but not quite as good a 1/32.

Having said this, 1/16 is adequate in a lot of situations and 1mm is of course 
even better.

The Cobalt talking tape measure if set to imperial is also accurate to 1/16 and 
if set to metric it is 1mm. I like the fact that you can include the length of 
the housing in your measurement if, for example, you want to measure the inside 
of a cabinet or drawer, you can also measure something and push a button to add 
that measurement to memory, then measure the next item and add it and so on and 
in the end push a button to get a total. This can be handy if you do things 
like baseboard trim, they usually come in 16 foot length so I could go and 
measure several walls and add up each measurement until I get close to 16 feet 
and this way I can minimize waste. The Cobalt can also be set to read out in 
inches, feet and inches, e.g. 25 inches or 2 feet 1 inches, on the metric side 
you can do metres, centimetres or millimeters, e.g. 1 metre and 10 centimetres 
can also be read as 110 centimetres or 1,010 millimetres. I assume that Tape 
King can maybe do the same, but I don’t know. Max, could you contact me 
off-list as I’d love to learn more about Tape King. 

I have both a couple of Cobalt tape measures, I have I think 4 imperial click 
rules and 1 metric because when I am really working on a larger project I often 
will use 2 or 3 at the same time, e.g. if I want to measure how far away from 
the edge of a sheet of plywood the rail of my track saw is especially if I am 
cutting along the 8 foot length of the plywood, it is much better to have a 
click rule on each end than to run around with a single one.

There is absolutely no way an app is going to be accurate enough for any sort 
of good woodworking and I highly doubt you would see a single professional and 
sighted woodworker use an app like the Measure app over a tape measure even 
though they could probably use it with much better precision in terms of lining 
up start and end point. The fact is that if you want to do any sort of 
woodworking it will be an expensive hobby.

Lastly, don’t forget the usefulness of setup blocks/bars like these:

15 piece setup bar set

This 15-piece set is one of the most complete and best I have found, I also 
have a couple of smaller 5 or 6 piece ones which you can get in metric or 
imperial and if I know I want to rip a 2 inch strip off something on my table 
saw or I want to set the height on my router bit to half an inch than using the 
appropriate setup bar is way easier than trying to set the table saw fence with 
the click rule.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Robert 
Wright
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 12:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: accessible measuring app?

 

Unfortunately, this address is no longer valid.

 

**If we can't look at ourselves, and ask, why?  then where does the 
learning start?*** 

 

From: 'RobH.' via VIPhone
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 1:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: accessible measuring app?

 

Fascinating, hate to think of the possible price.

 

robH.

- Original Message - 

From: "Richard Turner" 

To: 

Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 1:44 AM

Subject: Re: accessible measuring app?

 

 

The below came from the Vision Aware site of AFB.

The Click Rule

 

The Click Rule is a metal tubular device slightly longer than 7 1/2 inches. A 
7-inch threaded rod is inserted into the tube. A 

knurled locking knob is screwed into the top of the threaded rod through a long 
slot th

Re: replacing my IPad Mini

[Richard Turner]

Either way is fine.
If you want Apple Care, make sure to select it at Amazon or Apple.
It might be easier with Apple.
HTH,


Richard

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On Sep 20, 2019, at 11:19 AM, Vicki W.  wrote:


Thank you  to both you and Richard. I've found it on both Amazon and Apple, 
although I didn't check the price on Apple. What do you think the advantages 
are of purchasing it from Apple over Amazon?


- Original Message -
From: Dave
To: IPhone
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: replacing my IPad Mini

Hi Vicki. I have the latest iPad Mini 5th generation, and it only comes in the 
one size.

But it is an excellent device, and is plenty big enough for me.

Dave.


From: Vicki W.
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 6:59 PM
To: IPhone
Subject: replacing my IPad Mini

Good Afternoon,

Looks like I am needing to replace my IPad Mini if I want to update the IOS. 
The latest IPad is showing a 7.9 inch screen, but I thought there was one just 
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Re: replacing my IPad Mini

[Vicki W.]

Thank you  to both you and Richard. I've found it on both Amazon and Apple, 
although I didn't check the price on Apple. What do you think the advantages 
are of purchasing it from Apple over Amazon?


  - Original Message - 
  From: Dave 
  To: IPhone 
  Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 11:10 AM
  Subject: Re: replacing my IPad Mini


  Hi Vicki. I have the latest iPad Mini 5th generation, and it only comes in 
the one size.

  But it is an excellent device, and is plenty big enough for me.

  Dave.


  From: Vicki W. 
  Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 6:59 PM
  To: IPhone 
  Subject: replacing my IPad Mini

  Good Afternoon,

  Looks like I am needing to replace my IPad Mini if I want to update the IOS. 
The latest IPad is showing a 7.9 inch screen, but I thought there was one just 
a little larger. Any recommendations?

  Thanks.

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RE: replacing my IPad Mini

[Richard Turner]

That is the size of the iPad Mini.  The iPad Mini 2019 is a very nice unit.
I got my wife one for her birthday in June.
I have no idea if Apple will come out with something different next Spring.
There is also the new iPad 7 that is 10.2 inches diagonal, which costs less 
than the iPad Mini 2019.

My wife prefers the Mini because of its portability.


Richard

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Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 10:59 AM
To: IPhone 
Subject: replacing my IPad Mini

Good Afternoon,

Looks like I am needing to replace my IPad Mini if I want to update the IOS. 
The latest IPad is showing a 7.9 inch screen, but I thought there was one just 
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Re: replacing my IPad Mini

[Dave]

Hi Vicki. I have the latest iPad Mini 5th generation, and it only comes in the 
one size.

But it is an excellent device, and is plenty big enough for me.

Dave.


From: Vicki W. 
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 6:59 PM
To: IPhone 
Subject: replacing my IPad Mini

Good Afternoon,

Looks like I am needing to replace my IPad Mini if I want to update the IOS. 
The latest IPad is showing a 7.9 inch screen, but I thought there was one just 
a little larger. Any recommendations?

Thanks.

Vicki

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Re: accessible measuring app?

[Donald Raikes]

Thanks all for the input.

I did some wood working when I was in junior high school back in
1973-5, and at that time I had access to a 6ft ssteel tape measure
with 1/8 inch marks for the first six inches and 1 inch marks up to 1
foot then marks every 6 inches after that, and a combination square
with 1/8 marks along the 1ft blade.

I don't currently have any power tools or much in the way of hand
tools either but I have a couple of projects in mind so I am going to
be making some investments inequipment it sounds like.

Nice to hear of so many blind wood workers.

On 9/20/19, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> I have been doing woodworking for 20 years and I absolutely agree that a
> Click Rule or talking tape measure are absolutely essential if you want to
> do stuff with any degree of accuracy.
> There is also the Rotomatic (not sure if I spell this correctly), it is
> somewhat the same concept as a Click Rule, but I believe instead of pulling
> out a threaded rod which then makes a click every sixteenth of an inch the
> Rotomatic works by the user turning a stop along a threaded rod and it can
> give you accuracy down to a 1/64 of an inch whereas the imperial click rule
> is accurate to 1/16 of an inch and the metric click rule is accurate to 1mm
> which is better than a sixteenth, but not quite as good a 1/32.
> Having said this, 1/16 is adequate in a lot of situations and 1mm is of
> course even better.
> The Cobalt talking tape measure if set to imperial is also accurate to 1/16
> and if set to metric it is 1mm. I like the fact that you can include the
> length of the housing in your measurement if, for example, you want to
> measure the inside of a cabinet or drawer, you can also measure something
> and push a button to add that measurement to memory, then measure the next
> item and add it and so on and in the end push a button to get a total. This
> can be handy if you do things like baseboard trim, they usually come in 16
> foot length so I could go and measure several walls and add up each
> measurement until I get close to 16 feet and this way I can minimize waste.
> The Cobalt can also be set to read out in inches, feet and inches, e.g. 25
> inches or 2 feet 1 inches, on the metric side you can do metres, centimetres
> or millimeters, e.g. 1 metre and 10 centimetres can also be read as 110
> centimetres or 1,010 millimetres. I assume that Tape King can maybe do the
> same, but I don’t know. Max, could you contact me off-list as I’d love to
> learn more about Tape King.
> I have both a couple of Cobalt tape measures, I have I think 4 imperial
> click rules and 1 metric because when I am really working on a larger
> project I often will use 2 or 3 at the same time, e.g. if I want to measure
> how far away from the edge of a sheet of plywood the rail of my track saw is
> especially if I am cutting along the 8 foot length of the plywood, it is
> much better to have a click rule on each end than to run around with a
> single one.
> There is absolutely no way an app is going to be accurate enough for any
> sort of good woodworking and I highly doubt you would see a single
> professional and sighted woodworker use an app like the Measure app over a
> tape measure even though they could probably use it with much better
> precision in terms of lining up start and end point. The fact is that if you
> want to do any sort of woodworking it will be an expensive hobby.
> Lastly, don’t forget the usefulness of setup blocks/bars like these:
> 15 piece setup bar set
> This 15-piece set is one of the most complete and best I have found, I also
> have a couple of smaller 5 or 6 piece ones which you can get in metric or
> imperial and if I know I want to rip a 2 inch strip off something on my
> table saw or I want to set the height on my router bit to half an inch than
> using the appropriate setup bar is way easier than trying to set the table
> saw fence with the click rule.
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Robert Wright
> Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 12:39 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: accessible measuring app?
>
> Unfortunately, this address is no longer valid.
>
> **If we can't look at ourselves, and ask, why?  then where does the
> learning start?***
>
> From: 'RobH.' via VIPhone
> Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 1:16 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: accessible measuring app?
>
> Fascinating, hate to think of the possible price.
>
> robH.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Richard Turner" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 1:44 AM
> Subject: Re: accessible measuring app?
>
>
> The below came from the Vision Aware site of AFB.
> The Click Rule
>
> The Click Rule is a metal tubular device slightly longer than 7 1/2 inches.
> A 7-inch threaded rod is inserted into the tube. A
> knurled locking knob is screwed i

replacing my IPad Mini

[Vicki W.]

Good Afternoon,

Looks like I am needing to replace my IPad Mini if I want to update the IOS. 
The latest IPad is showing a 7.9 inch screen, but I thought there was one just 
a little larger. Any recommendations?

Thanks.

Vicki

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Re: accessible measuring app?

[CrazyEyez]

I found one on ebay if you have an account.
Here's the link if you are interested.
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F264469004125



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> On Sep 20, 2019, at 12:38 PM, Matthew Bullis  
> wrote:
> 
> I believe the talking tape measure is in the Maxi Aids catalog or the
> Independent Living Aids catalog. I ordered it from one of those about
> five years ago, but can't remember which one.
> Matthew
> 
>> On 9/20/19, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> Doing a Google search did give me this:
>> Talking Tape Measure by Cobalt – horizons for the
>> Blind
>> 
>> You can of course contact Cobalt directly in
>> England,
>> they’ll ship to you as far as I know and without the 9 Volt battery it costs
>> 52.95 British Pounds which converts approx. to
>> $66 to
>> $68, maybe $70 max. if your credit card charges a bit of a higher exchange
>> rate On this Horizons for the Blind
>> Website it’s $105 US and I have a feeling it will cost less than $35 US to
>> ship it from England.
>> I actually was planning to get one shipped, I have 1 which doesn’t work any
>> more and my second one is getting a bit beat up and I believe if you send
>> them back they’ll fix them up or replace them. Here in Canada the CNIB sells
>> them and I find it interesting how a governmental agency puts such a huge
>> mark-up on stuff, they want $169.95 Canadian for it and it actually shows
>> it’s out of stock and they don’t know when they get more. 52.95 British
>> Pounds converts to approx. 88 Canadian Dollars so their price is almost
>> double.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Richard Turner
>> Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 9:04 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: accessible measuring app?
>> 
>> Hi Sieghard,
>> Do you know of a North American distributer for the Cobolt Talking Tape?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Richard
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
>> 🖖 Live long and prosper
>> 
>> 
>> Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 8:43 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: accessible measuring app?
>> 
>> I have been doing woodworking for 20 years and I absolutely agree that a
>> Click Rule or talking tape measure are absolutely essential if you want to
>> do stuff with any degree of accuracy.
>> There is also the Rotomatic (not sure if I spell this correctly), it is
>> somewhat the same concept as a Click Rule, but I believe instead of pulling
>> out a threaded rod which then makes a click every sixteenth of an inch the
>> Rotomatic works by the user turning a stop along a threaded rod and it can
>> give you accuracy down to a 1/64 of an inch whereas the imperial click rule
>> is accurate to 1/16 of an inch and the metric click rule is accurate to 1mm
>> which is better than a sixteenth, but not quite as good a 1/32.
>> Having said this, 1/16 is adequate in a lot of situations and 1mm is of
>> course even better.
>> The Cobalt talking tape measure if set to imperial is also accurate to 1/16
>> and if set to metric it is 1mm. I like the fact that you can include the
>> length of the housing in your measurement if, for example, you want to
>> measure the inside of a cabinet or drawer, you can also measure something
>> and push a button to add that measurement to memory, then measure the next
>> item and add it and so on and in the end push a button to get a total. This
>> can be handy if you do things like baseboard trim, they usually come in 16
>> foot length so I could go and measure several walls and add up each
>> measurement until I get close to 16 feet and this way I can minimize waste.
>> The Cobalt can also be set to read out in inches, feet and inches, e.g. 25
>> inches or 2 feet 1 inches, on the metric side you can do metres, centimetres
>> or millimeters, e.g. 1 metre and 10 centimetres can also be read as 110
>> centimetres or 1,010 millimetres. I assume that Tape King can maybe do the
>> same, but I don’t know. Max, could you contact me off-list as I’d love to
>> learn more about Tape King.
>> I have both a couple of Cobalt tape measures, I have I think 4 imperial
>> click rules and 1 metric because when I am really working on a larger
>> project I often will use 2 or 3 at the same time, e.g. if I want to measure
>> how far away from the edge of a sheet of plywood the rail of my track saw is
>> especially if I am cutting along the 8 foot length of the plywood, it is
>> much better to have a click rule on each end than to run around with a
>> single one.
>> There is absolutely no way an app is going to be accurate enough for any
>> sort of good woodworking and I highly doubt you would see a single
>> professional and sighted woodworker use an app like the Measu

Re: accessible measuring app?

[Matthew Bullis]

I believe the talking tape measure is in the Maxi Aids catalog or the
Independent Living Aids catalog. I ordered it from one of those about
five years ago, but can't remember which one.
Matthew

On 9/20/19, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> Doing a Google search did give me this:
> Talking Tape Measure by Cobalt – horizons for the
> Blind
>
> You can of course contact Cobalt directly in
> England,
> they’ll ship to you as far as I know and without the 9 Volt battery it costs
> 52.95 British Pounds which converts approx. to
> $66 to
> $68, maybe $70 max. if your credit card charges a bit of a higher exchange
> rate On this Horizons for the Blind
> Website it’s $105 US and I have a feeling it will cost less than $35 US to
> ship it from England.
> I actually was planning to get one shipped, I have 1 which doesn’t work any
> more and my second one is getting a bit beat up and I believe if you send
> them back they’ll fix them up or replace them. Here in Canada the CNIB sells
> them and I find it interesting how a governmental agency puts such a huge
> mark-up on stuff, they want $169.95 Canadian for it and it actually shows
> it’s out of stock and they don’t know when they get more. 52.95 British
> Pounds converts to approx. 88 Canadian Dollars so their price is almost
> double.
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 9:04 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: accessible measuring app?
>
> Hi Sieghard,
> Do you know of a North American distributer for the Cobolt Talking Tape?
>
> Thanks,
> Richard
>
> Richard
>
> 🖖 Live long and prosper
>
>
> Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 8:43 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: accessible measuring app?
>
> I have been doing woodworking for 20 years and I absolutely agree that a
> Click Rule or talking tape measure are absolutely essential if you want to
> do stuff with any degree of accuracy.
> There is also the Rotomatic (not sure if I spell this correctly), it is
> somewhat the same concept as a Click Rule, but I believe instead of pulling
> out a threaded rod which then makes a click every sixteenth of an inch the
> Rotomatic works by the user turning a stop along a threaded rod and it can
> give you accuracy down to a 1/64 of an inch whereas the imperial click rule
> is accurate to 1/16 of an inch and the metric click rule is accurate to 1mm
> which is better than a sixteenth, but not quite as good a 1/32.
> Having said this, 1/16 is adequate in a lot of situations and 1mm is of
> course even better.
> The Cobalt talking tape measure if set to imperial is also accurate to 1/16
> and if set to metric it is 1mm. I like the fact that you can include the
> length of the housing in your measurement if, for example, you want to
> measure the inside of a cabinet or drawer, you can also measure something
> and push a button to add that measurement to memory, then measure the next
> item and add it and so on and in the end push a button to get a total. This
> can be handy if you do things like baseboard trim, they usually come in 16
> foot length so I could go and measure several walls and add up each
> measurement until I get close to 16 feet and this way I can minimize waste.
> The Cobalt can also be set to read out in inches, feet and inches, e.g. 25
> inches or 2 feet 1 inches, on the metric side you can do metres, centimetres
> or millimeters, e.g. 1 metre and 10 centimetres can also be read as 110
> centimetres or 1,010 millimetres. I assume that Tape King can maybe do the
> same, but I don’t know. Max, could you contact me off-list as I’d love to
> learn more about Tape King.
> I have both a couple of Cobalt tape measures, I have I think 4 imperial
> click rules and 1 metric because when I am really working on a larger
> project I often will use 2 or 3 at the same time, e.g. if I want to measure
> how far away from the edge of a sheet of plywood the rail of my track saw is
> especially if I am cutting along the 8 foot length of the plywood, it is
> much better to have a click rule on each end than to run around with a
> single one.
> There is absolutely no way an app is going to be accurate enough for any
> sort of good woodworking and I highly doubt you would see a single
> professional and sighted woodworker use an app like the Measure app over a
> tape measure even though they could probably use it with much better
> precision in terms of lining up start and end point. The fact is that if you
> want to do any sort of woodworking it will be an expensive hobby.
> Lastly, don’t forget the usefulness of setup blocks/bars like these:
> 15 piece setup bar
> set

RE: accessible measuring app?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Doing a Google search did give me this:
Talking Tape Measure by Cobalt – horizons for the 
Blind

You can of course contact Cobalt directly in 
England, they’ll 
ship to you as far as I know and without the 9 Volt battery it costs 52.95 
British Pounds which converts approx. to
$66 to
$68, maybe $70 max. if your credit card charges a bit of a higher exchange rate 
On this Horizons for the Blind
Website it’s $105 US and I have a feeling it will cost less than $35 US to ship 
it from England.
I actually was planning to get one shipped, I have 1 which doesn’t work any 
more and my second one is getting a bit beat up and I believe if you send them 
back they’ll fix them up or replace them. Here in Canada the CNIB sells them 
and I find it interesting how a governmental agency puts such a huge mark-up on 
stuff, they want $169.95 Canadian for it and it actually shows it’s out of 
stock and they don’t know when they get more. 52.95 British Pounds converts to 
approx. 88 Canadian Dollars so their price is almost double.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 9:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: accessible measuring app?

Hi Sieghard,
Do you know of a North American distributer for the Cobolt Talking Tape?

Thanks,
Richard

Richard

🖖 Live long and prosper


Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 8:43 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: accessible measuring app?

I have been doing woodworking for 20 years and I absolutely agree that a Click 
Rule or talking tape measure are absolutely essential if you want to do stuff 
with any degree of accuracy.
There is also the Rotomatic (not sure if I spell this correctly), it is 
somewhat the same concept as a Click Rule, but I believe instead of pulling out 
a threaded rod which then makes a click every sixteenth of an inch the 
Rotomatic works by the user turning a stop along a threaded rod and it can give 
you accuracy down to a 1/64 of an inch whereas the imperial click rule is 
accurate to 1/16 of an inch and the metric click rule is accurate to 1mm which 
is better than a sixteenth, but not quite as good a 1/32.
Having said this, 1/16 is adequate in a lot of situations and 1mm is of course 
even better.
The Cobalt talking tape measure if set to imperial is also accurate to 1/16 and 
if set to metric it is 1mm. I like the fact that you can include the length of 
the housing in your measurement if, for example, you want to measure the inside 
of a cabinet or drawer, you can also measure something and push a button to add 
that measurement to memory, then measure the next item and add it and so on and 
in the end push a button to get a total. This can be handy if you do things 
like baseboard trim, they usually come in 16 foot length so I could go and 
measure several walls and add up each measurement until I get close to 16 feet 
and this way I can minimize waste. The Cobalt can also be set to read out in 
inches, feet and inches, e.g. 25 inches or 2 feet 1 inches, on the metric side 
you can do metres, centimetres or millimeters, e.g. 1 metre and 10 centimetres 
can also be read as 110 centimetres or 1,010 millimetres. I assume that Tape 
King can maybe do the same, but I don’t know. Max, could you contact me 
off-list as I’d love to learn more about Tape King.
I have both a couple of Cobalt tape measures, I have I think 4 imperial click 
rules and 1 metric because when I am really working on a larger project I often 
will use 2 or 3 at the same time, e.g. if I want to measure how far away from 
the edge of a sheet of plywood the rail of my track saw is especially if I am 
cutting along the 8 foot length of the plywood, it is much better to have a 
click rule on each end than to run around with a single one.
There is absolutely no way an app is going to be accurate enough for any sort 
of good woodworking and I highly doubt you would see a single professional and 
sighted woodworker use an app like the Measure app over a tape measure even 
though they could probably use it with much better precision in terms of lining 
up start and end point. The fact is that if you want to do any sort of 
woodworking it will be an expensive hobby.
Lastly, don’t forget the usefulness of setup blocks/bars like these:
15 piece setup bar 
set
This 15-piece set is one of the most complete and best I have found, I also 
have a couple of smaller 5 or 6

Re: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

[Dave]

13.1, is released on the 24th, which should fix most of the bugs.

Dave.


-Original Message- 
From: Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 5:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

I agree, as with every new release there are some bugs, but the 
accessibility improvements of iOS 13 are about as major as they have been in 
a very long time. Things like Activities and more ways to customize I think 
are all worth it.
And of course nobody can continue for all that long with older iOS versions, 
sure, you could probably run iOS 12 for another year, but while I can't 
remember which app update it was the other day, but one update already 
mentioned that they now dropped support for iOS 11 with that update and that 
was only 2 years ago.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Justin Harris

Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 3:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

Still not entirely sure why so many people are not wanting to update. Yes 
iOS was pretty buggy in those first few betas, but is pretty stable now. 
No major bugs come to mind. Final release seems just fine. I updated all 
my devices yesterday and have not had any problems at all for what that 
may be worth.


Enviado desde mi iPhone

El 09/20/2019, a la(s) 3:36 a. m., Dave  
escribió:


If you have your automatic updates off, and say remind me later,
there used to be another option to say no.

Then i would go and remove the downloaded update from my phone.

This always worked for me.

Dave.


-Original Message- From: Karen Poulakos
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 2:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

That's the approach I usually take.  But for me, disagreeing with the 
terms doesn't stop it permanently.  But it's an easy way to get rid of the 
message, and delay it for awhile.


Karen P
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 8:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

Hello Richard,

This is great info.

Not to put too simple a spin on this but the only way I have found to 
permanently stopped being prompted to update is to simply disagree with 
the terms of service.


Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 2:28 PM
To: ViPone list
Subject: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

A coworker sent me this.

Info from another group worth noteing - Hello group! With iOS 13 coming 
out and lots of us not wanting to download it because of the multiple 
voiceover bugs, may I take this opportunity to warn you of apples rather 
sneaky way of overriding your settings to install updates when you don't 
want them.
If you go into settings, general, software update, you'll find a button to 
turn off automatic software updates. Go ahead and switch that to off, but 
be aware that it may not stop the update from being installed. There's 
another step you will probably need to take.
You may find a dialogue popping up sometime in the next few days asking if 
you want to install iOS 13. The two options you'll be given are "install 
now" or "later". You'll assume you need to choose "later", since you don't 
want the update at all, and then you'll be asked to enter your passcode. 
At this point, the phone is ready to install the update, despite the fact 
that you have auto update set to off, and it will do it sometime in the 
couple of days after you've seen the dialogue come up.
So, when the dialog has appeared and you've chosen the later option, go 
back into settings, general, software update and you'll see another button 
has appeared, called "Cancel auto install" or something like that. You 
need to double tap that button to stop the phone doing the update 
automatically. And all of this happens even though you've got your auto 
update set to off. Apple sure are keen to get us updating.
Sorry for the long post but I wouldn't want anyone to get caught out by 
this.



Richard

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.

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RE: accessible measuring app?

[Richard Turner]

Hi Sieghard,
Do you know of a North American distributer for the Cobolt Talking Tape?
Thanks,
Richard

Richard

🖖 Live long and prosper


Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 8:43 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: accessible measuring app?

I have been doing woodworking for 20 years and I absolutely agree that a Click 
Rule or talking tape measure are absolutely essential if you want to do stuff 
with any degree of accuracy.
There is also the Rotomatic (not sure if I spell this correctly), it is 
somewhat the same concept as a Click Rule, but I believe instead of pulling out 
a threaded rod which then makes a click every sixteenth of an inch the 
Rotomatic works by the user turning a stop along a threaded rod and it can give 
you accuracy down to a 1/64 of an inch whereas the imperial click rule is 
accurate to 1/16 of an inch and the metric click rule is accurate to 1mm which 
is better than a sixteenth, but not quite as good a 1/32.
Having said this, 1/16 is adequate in a lot of situations and 1mm is of course 
even better.
The Cobalt talking tape measure if set to imperial is also accurate to 1/16 and 
if set to metric it is 1mm. I like the fact that you can include the length of 
the housing in your measurement if, for example, you want to measure the inside 
of a cabinet or drawer, you can also measure something and push a button to add 
that measurement to memory, then measure the next item and add it and so on and 
in the end push a button to get a total. This can be handy if you do things 
like baseboard trim, they usually come in 16 foot length so I could go and 
measure several walls and add up each measurement until I get close to 16 feet 
and this way I can minimize waste. The Cobalt can also be set to read out in 
inches, feet and inches, e.g. 25 inches or 2 feet 1 inches, on the metric side 
you can do metres, centimetres or millimeters, e.g. 1 metre and 10 centimetres 
can also be read as 110 centimetres or 1,010 millimetres. I assume that Tape 
King can maybe do the same, but I don’t know. Max, could you contact me 
off-list as I’d love to learn more about Tape King.
I have both a couple of Cobalt tape measures, I have I think 4 imperial click 
rules and 1 metric because when I am really working on a larger project I often 
will use 2 or 3 at the same time, e.g. if I want to measure how far away from 
the edge of a sheet of plywood the rail of my track saw is especially if I am 
cutting along the 8 foot length of the plywood, it is much better to have a 
click rule on each end than to run around with a single one.
There is absolutely no way an app is going to be accurate enough for any sort 
of good woodworking and I highly doubt you would see a single professional and 
sighted woodworker use an app like the Measure app over a tape measure even 
though they could probably use it with much better precision in terms of lining 
up start and end point. The fact is that if you want to do any sort of 
woodworking it will be an expensive hobby.
Lastly, don’t forget the usefulness of setup blocks/bars like these:
15 piece setup bar 
set
This 15-piece set is one of the most complete and best I have found, I also 
have a couple of smaller 5 or 6 piece ones which you can get in metric or 
imperial and if I know I want to rip a 2 inch strip off something on my table 
saw or I want to set the height on my router bit to half an inch than using the 
appropriate setup bar is way easier than trying to set the table saw fence with 
the click rule.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Robert 
Wright
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 12:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: accessible measuring app?

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From: 'RobH.' via VIPhone
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 1:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: accessible measuring app?

Fascinating, hate to think of the possible price.

robH.
- Original Message -
From: "Richard Turner" 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>>
To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 1:44 AM
Subject: Re: accessible measuring app?


The below came from the Vision Aware site of AFB.
The Click Rule

The Click Rule is a metal tubular device slightly longer than 7 1/2 inches. A 
7-inch 

RE: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I agree, as with every new release there are some bugs, but the accessibility 
improvements of iOS 13 are about as major as they have been in a very long 
time. Things like Activities and more ways to customize I think are all worth 
it.
And of course nobody can continue for all that long with older iOS versions, 
sure, you could probably run iOS 12 for another year, but while I can't 
remember which app update it was the other day, but one update already 
mentioned that they now dropped support for iOS 11 with that update and that 
was only 2 years ago.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Justin 
Harris
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 3:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

> Still not entirely sure why so many people are not wanting to update. Yes iOS 
> was pretty buggy in those first few betas, but is pretty stable now. No major 
> bugs come to mind. Final release seems just fine. I updated all my devices 
> yesterday and have not had any problems at all for what that may be worth. 
> 
> Enviado desde mi iPhone
> 
> El 09/20/2019, a la(s) 3:36 a. m., Dave  escribió:
> 
> If you have your automatic updates off, and say remind me later, 
> there used to be another option to say no.
> 
> Then i would go and remove the downloaded update from my phone.
> 
> This always worked for me.
> 
> Dave.
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Karen Poulakos
> Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 2:53 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13
> 
> That's the approach I usually take.  But for me, disagreeing with the terms 
> doesn't stop it permanently.  But it's an easy way to get rid of the message, 
> and delay it for awhile.
> 
> Karen P
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of M. Taylor
> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 8:34 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13
> 
> Hello Richard,
> 
> This is great info.
> 
> Not to put too simple a spin on this but the only way I have found to 
> permanently stopped being prompted to update is to simply disagree with the 
> terms of service.
> 
> Mark
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Richard Turner
> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 2:28 PM
> To: ViPone list
> Subject: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13
> 
> A coworker sent me this.
> 
> Info from another group worth noteing - Hello group! With iOS 13 coming out 
> and lots of us not wanting to download it because of the multiple voiceover 
> bugs, may I take this opportunity to warn you of apples rather sneaky way of 
> overriding your settings to install updates when you don't want them.
> If you go into settings, general, software update, you'll find a button to 
> turn off automatic software updates. Go ahead and switch that to off, but be 
> aware that it may not stop the update from being installed. There's another 
> step you will probably need to take.
> You may find a dialogue popping up sometime in the next few days asking if 
> you want to install iOS 13. The two options you'll be given are "install now" 
> or "later". You'll assume you need to choose "later", since you don't want 
> the update at all, and then you'll be asked to enter your passcode. At this 
> point, the phone is ready to install the update, despite the fact that you 
> have auto update set to off, and it will do it sometime in the couple of days 
> after you've seen the dialogue come up.
> So, when the dialog has appeared and you've chosen the later option, go back 
> into settings, general, software update and you'll see another button has 
> appeared, called "Cancel auto install" or something like that. You need to 
> double tap that button to stop the phone doing the update automatically. And 
> all of this happens even though you've got your auto update set to off. Apple 
> sure are keen to get us updating.
> Sorry for the long post but I wouldn't want anyone to get caught out by this.
> 
> 
> Richard
> 
> Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.
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RE: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

[Sieghard Weitzel]

That is because the SE is basically a smaller 6S internally, it came out in the 
spring of 2016, about 6 month after the 6S/6S Plus came out in the fall of 2015.
Main difference between a 6S and an SE is that the SE did not have 3D touch and 
it still uses a first generation Touch Id home button whereas this was improved 
on the 6S.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Vicki W.
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 3:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

How strange that the 6 won't get the update. I have and IPhone SE  and I got 
the update.
- Original Message -
From: Richard Turner
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 3:10 PM
Subject: Re: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

Janet, you must have an iPhone 6s since the 6 will not get iOS 13.
Glad it is working.

Richard

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.



On Sep 19, 2019, at 3:02 PM, Janet Wright 
mailto:jan...@wrighthere.net>> wrote:


every thing is working good here i lost my voice over voice that i had for my 
old i phone so i had to redownload it but it kept all settings in my i phone 6
On 9/19/2019 3:57 PM, Feliciano Godoy wrote:
Hi,
I updated my iPhone 6s  to iOS 13. Thus far, everything seems to be working 
fine. I have not tried to use the iPhone with a Braille display or keyboard.hat 
I could say that doesn’t work right now, is  text selection on the native mail 
app When reading email. Other than that, everything looks good.

Feliciano
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On Sep 19, 2019, at 2:28 PM, Richard Turner 
 wrote:

A coworker sent me this.

Info from another group worth noteing - Hello group! With iOS 13 coming out and 
lots of us not wanting to download it because of the multiple voiceover bugs, 
may I take this opportunity to warn you of apples rather sneaky way of 
overriding your settings to install updates when you don't want them.
If you go into settings, general, software update, you'll find a button to turn 
off automatic software updates. Go ahead and switch that to off, but be aware 
that it may not stop the update from being installed. There's another step you 
will probably need to take.
You may find a dialogue popping up sometime in the next few days asking if you 
want to install iOS 13. The two options you'll be given are "install now" or 
"later". You'll assume you need to choose "later", since you don't want the 
update at all, and then you'll be asked to enter your passcode. At this point, 
the phone is ready to install the update, despite the fact that you have auto 
update set to off, and it will do it sometime in the couple of days after 
you've seen the dialogue come up.
So, when the dialog has appeared and you've chosen the later option, go back 
into settings, general, software update and you'll see another button has 
appeared, called "Cancel auto install" or something like that. You need to 
double tap that button to stop the phone doing the update automatically. And 
all of this happens even though you've got your auto update set to off. Apple 
sure are keen to get us updating.
Sorry for the long post but I wouldn't want anyone to get caught out by this.

Richard

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RE: Is there a talking camera for taking pictures of cards etc.

[Richard Turner]

And, with Voice Dream Scanner, if you save as PDF, it will retain the photo as 
well as the text.
Then, in voice Dream Reader, if you set the Visual setting to Original it shows 
the photo of the image as well as having the text readable.

Truly an amazing app.

Richard


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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donna
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 8:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Is there a talking camera for taking pictures of cards etc.

Which app are you trying to use to take photos of cards etc? Voice Dream 
scanner works great for taking photos of objects with text. Seeing AI is also 
good, but in my opinion, not as good as Voice Dream Scanner. I lay the phone 
camera in the center of the card. I then lift the camera straight up about 12 
inches, then take the photo. This technique I use both handds. I lift the phone 
with my right hand & tap the phone with my left hand to take the photo. 

Donna  
> 
> Hello James,
> 
> It’s kind of a weird gesture to do when trying to take a picture but have you 
> tried to do a three finger single tap in the middle of the screen? This will 
> announce objects, placement in the frame, and if it’s blurry or not.
> 
> I hope this helps,
> 
> Ed W.
> 
>> On Sep 19, 2019, at 3:55 PM, James Lockwood  wrote:
>> 
>> I would like to start taking pictures of my ID and other things. But it’s 
>> almost impossible to do so because the camera does not tell you when the 
>> item is in focus. Anyone have any solution for that
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RE: accessible measuring app?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I have been doing woodworking for 20 years and I absolutely agree that a Click 
Rule or talking tape measure are absolutely essential if you want to do stuff 
with any degree of accuracy.
There is also the Rotomatic (not sure if I spell this correctly), it is 
somewhat the same concept as a Click Rule, but I believe instead of pulling out 
a threaded rod which then makes a click every sixteenth of an inch the 
Rotomatic works by the user turning a stop along a threaded rod and it can give 
you accuracy down to a 1/64 of an inch whereas the imperial click rule is 
accurate to 1/16 of an inch and the metric click rule is accurate to 1mm which 
is better than a sixteenth, but not quite as good a 1/32.
Having said this, 1/16 is adequate in a lot of situations and 1mm is of course 
even better.
The Cobalt talking tape measure if set to imperial is also accurate to 1/16 and 
if set to metric it is 1mm. I like the fact that you can include the length of 
the housing in your measurement if, for example, you want to measure the inside 
of a cabinet or drawer, you can also measure something and push a button to add 
that measurement to memory, then measure the next item and add it and so on and 
in the end push a button to get a total. This can be handy if you do things 
like baseboard trim, they usually come in 16 foot length so I could go and 
measure several walls and add up each measurement until I get close to 16 feet 
and this way I can minimize waste. The Cobalt can also be set to read out in 
inches, feet and inches, e.g. 25 inches or 2 feet 1 inches, on the metric side 
you can do metres, centimetres or millimeters, e.g. 1 metre and 10 centimetres 
can also be read as 110 centimetres or 1,010 millimetres. I assume that Tape 
King can maybe do the same, but I don’t know. Max, could you contact me 
off-list as I’d love to learn more about Tape King.
I have both a couple of Cobalt tape measures, I have I think 4 imperial click 
rules and 1 metric because when I am really working on a larger project I often 
will use 2 or 3 at the same time, e.g. if I want to measure how far away from 
the edge of a sheet of plywood the rail of my track saw is especially if I am 
cutting along the 8 foot length of the plywood, it is much better to have a 
click rule on each end than to run around with a single one.
There is absolutely no way an app is going to be accurate enough for any sort 
of good woodworking and I highly doubt you would see a single professional and 
sighted woodworker use an app like the Measure app over a tape measure even 
though they could probably use it with much better precision in terms of lining 
up start and end point. The fact is that if you want to do any sort of 
woodworking it will be an expensive hobby.
Lastly, don’t forget the usefulness of setup blocks/bars like these:
15 piece setup bar set
This 15-piece set is one of the most complete and best I have found, I also 
have a couple of smaller 5 or 6 piece ones which you can get in metric or 
imperial and if I know I want to rip a 2 inch strip off something on my table 
saw or I want to set the height on my router bit to half an inch than using the 
appropriate setup bar is way easier than trying to set the table saw fence with 
the click rule.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Robert 
Wright
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 12:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: accessible measuring app?

Unfortunately, this address is no longer valid.

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From: 'RobH.' via VIPhone
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 1:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: accessible measuring app?

Fascinating, hate to think of the possible price.

robH.
- Original Message -
From: "Richard Turner" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 1:44 AM
Subject: Re: accessible measuring app?


The below came from the Vision Aware site of AFB.
The Click Rule

The Click Rule is a metal tubular device slightly longer than 7 1/2 inches. A 
7-inch threaded rod is inserted into the tube. A
knurled locking knob is screwed into the top of the threaded rod through a long 
slot that has been machined into the tube.

[closeup of someone using the Click Rule to measure a board]

The Click Rule

As the threaded rod is extended into and out of the tube, a clicking sound can 
be heard at 1/16-inch intervals. The threaded rod has
raised threads every 1/2 inch.

The metal tube has two flat rectangular stops or fences mounted on it. One stop 
or fence is located precisely at the open end of the
tube and the raised thread rod protrudes through it. The other stop or fence is 
positioned exactly six inches along the tube from
the stop at the open end of the tube.

The Click Rule comes with three 12-inch extension rods that screw into the end 
of the

Re: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

[Davy Cuppens]

Justin

many Belgian people lost their extended flemish voices. When just hovering 
over the screen, VO announces all the app under your finger but skips the 
first letter so: there are new apps like witter acebook nstagram and 
essages.
A lot of focus issues are reported from the mail app. VO does not announce 
any feedback for some external keyboards like f.e. mbraille. Reading mails 
by paragraphe is user independent not possible for some devices.

VO sometimes comes in very loud and weakens afterwards.
What I do not understand is why people always are so impatient nowing that 
already on september 24 a much more stable version ios13.1 will come out.

Davy

-Oorspronkelijk bericht- 
From: Justin Harris

Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 12:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

Still not entirely sure why so many people are not wanting to update. Yes 
iOS was pretty buggy in those first few betas, but is pretty stable now. 
No major bugs come to mind. Final release seems just fine. I updated all 
my devices yesterday and have not had any problems at all for what that 
may be worth.


Enviado desde mi iPhone

El 09/20/2019, a la(s) 3:36 a. m., Dave  
escribió:


If you have your automatic updates off, and say remind
me later, there used to be another option to say no.

Then i would go and remove the downloaded update from my phone.

This always worked for me.

Dave.


-Original Message- From: Karen Poulakos
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 2:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

That's the approach I usually take.  But for me, disagreeing with the 
terms doesn't stop it permanently.  But it's an easy way to get rid of the 
message, and delay it for awhile.


Karen P
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of M. Taylor

Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 8:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

Hello Richard,

This is great info.

Not to put too simple a spin on this but the only way I have found to 
permanently stopped being prompted to update is to simply disagree with 
the terms of service.


Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Richard Turner

Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 2:28 PM
To: ViPone list
Subject: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

A coworker sent me this.

Info from another group worth noteing - Hello group! With iOS 13 coming 
out and lots of us not wanting to download it because of the multiple 
voiceover bugs, may I take this opportunity to warn you of apples rather 
sneaky way of overriding your settings to install updates when you don't 
want them.
If you go into settings, general, software update, you'll find a button to 
turn off automatic software updates. Go ahead and switch that to off, but 
be aware that it may not stop the update from being installed. There's 
another step you will probably need to take.
You may find a dialogue popping up sometime in the next few days asking if 
you want to install iOS 13. The two options you'll be given are "install 
now" or "later". You'll assume you need to choose "later", since you don't 
want the update at all, and then you'll be asked to enter your passcode. 
At this point, the phone is ready to install the update, despite the fact 
that you have auto update set to off, and it will do it sometime in the 
couple of days after you've seen the dialogue come up.
So, when the dialog has appeared and you've chosen the later option, go 
back into settings, general, software update and you'll see another button 
has appeared, called "Cancel auto install" or something like that. You 
need to double tap that button to stop the phone doing the update 
automatically. And all of this happens even though you've got your auto 
update set to off. Apple sure are keen to get us updating.
Sorry for the long post but I wouldn't want anyone to get caught out by 
this.



Richard

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Re: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

[Shirley Baker]

How would you remove the update? Would you go where it says software update and 
find it there to remove?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 20, 2019, at 3:36 AM, Dave  wrote:
> 
> If you have your automatic updates off, and say remind
> me later, there used to be another option to say no.
> 
> Then i would go and remove the downloaded update from my phone.
> 
> This always worked for me.
> 
> Dave.
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Karen Poulakos
> Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 2:53 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13
> 
> That's the approach I usually take.  But for me, disagreeing with the terms 
> doesn't stop it permanently.  But it's an easy way to get rid of the message, 
> and delay it for awhile.
> 
> Karen P
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> M. Taylor
> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 8:34 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13
> 
> Hello Richard,
> 
> This is great info.
> 
> Not to put too simple a spin on this but the only way I have found to 
> permanently stopped being prompted to update is to simply disagree with the 
> terms of service.
> 
> Mark
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 2:28 PM
> To: ViPone list
> Subject: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13
> 
> A coworker sent me this.
> 
> Info from another group worth noteing - Hello group! With iOS 13 coming out 
> and lots of us not wanting to download it because of the multiple voiceover 
> bugs, may I take this opportunity to warn you of apples rather sneaky way of 
> overriding your settings to install updates when you don't want them.
> If you go into settings, general, software update, you'll find a button to 
> turn off automatic software updates. Go ahead and switch that to off, but be 
> aware that it may not stop the update from being installed. There's another 
> step you will probably need to take.
> You may find a dialogue popping up sometime in the next few days asking if 
> you want to install iOS 13. The two options you'll be given are "install now" 
> or "later". You'll assume you need to choose "later", since you don't want 
> the update at all, and then you'll be asked to enter your passcode. At this 
> point, the phone is ready to install the update, despite the fact that you 
> have auto update set to off, and it will do it sometime in the couple of days 
> after you've seen the dialogue come up.
> So, when the dialog has appeared and you've chosen the later option, go back 
> into settings, general, software update and you'll see another button has 
> appeared, called "Cancel auto install" or something like that. You need to 
> double tap that button to stop the phone doing the update automatically. And 
> all of this happens even though you've got your auto update set to off. Apple 
> sure are keen to get us updating.
> Sorry for the long post but I wouldn't want anyone to get caught out by this.
> 
> 
> Richard
> 
> Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.
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Re: Is there a talking camera for taking pictures of cards etc.

[Donna]

Which app are you trying to use to take photos of cards etc? Voice Dream 
scanner works great for taking photos of objects with text. Seeing AI is also 
good, but in my opinion, not as good as Voice Dream Scanner. I lay the phone 
camera in the center of the card. I then lift the camera straight up about 12 
inches, then take the photo. This technique I use both handds. I lift the phone 
with my right hand & tap the phone with my left hand to take the photo. 

Donna  
> 
> Hello James,
> 
> It’s kind of a weird gesture to do when trying to take a picture but have you 
> tried to do a three finger single tap in the middle of the screen? This will 
> announce objects, placement in the frame, and if it’s blurry or not.
> 
> I hope this helps,
> 
> Ed W.
> 
>> On Sep 19, 2019, at 3:55 PM, James Lockwood  wrote:
>> 
>> I would like to start taking pictures of my ID and other things. But it’s 
>> almost impossible to do so because the camera does not tell you when the 
>> item is in focus. Anyone have any solution for that
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PS4 and XBOX Controllers in IPhone

['Ming' via VIPhone]

hi!
anyone like playing games and think about use ps4 and XBOX  Controllers 
on your IPhone or IOS devices aftger updating IOS 13?

because IOS 13 can support bluetooth Controllers !
and do you think it is more better and more games can be playable  when using 
these Controllers ?


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Re: Is there a talking camera for taking pictures of cards etc.

[Ed Worrell]

Hello James,

It’s kind of a weird gesture to do when trying to take a picture but have you 
tried to do a three finger single tap in the middle of the screen? This will 
announce objects, placement in the frame, and if it’s blurry or not.

I hope this helps,

Ed W.

> On Sep 19, 2019, at 3:55 PM, James Lockwood  wrote:
> 
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> almost impossible to do so because the camera does not tell you when the item 
> is in focus. Anyone have any solution for that
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Re: apps Previous and Next Gestures don't work right

[Ed Worrell]

Hello,

I think visible apps would be when you’re running apps in split screen on the 
iPad. This allows you to jump between them.

Again this is just a guess on my part.

Ed W.


> On Sep 19, 2019, at 5:03 PM, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:
> 
> On iOS13.0, I assigned 2-finger left and 2-finger right respectively, to 
> Previous Visibel app, and Next Vissibel app, but they don’t seem to work 
> right! I was hoping these two would be the same as the four-finger left and 
> right swipes to move between apps, gesture that on my SE doesn’t work 
> reliably, but I guess not? Any pointers on what the concept of Previous and 
> Next Visible apps refers to in iOS13?
>  
>   
> Enviado desde Correo para Windows 10
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Iphone 8.

[Jenny Bomareto]

Anyone have an iPhone eight that they want to get rid of that is in good to
excellent working order, and good to excellent cosmetic order?

 

Look forward to here from you.

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Re: major facebook problem

[Jed Barton]

Hey there,
Well i can get the code via email. However 1 of the options that it
wants to use to varify is varify from another device or computer.
The problem is there are no check boxes that you can select to
identify what computer or phone you use.
Now, keep in mind, facebook has wanted me to change my password 9
times in the last 45 days, i've kept track. It's super annoying, cause
i make comments, have sent out a few friend requests, ya know the
normal stuff, and they think someone has hacked my account.
It's really annoying.  There is absolutely no reason to have to keep
changing the password.  And of course, you can't call facebook to
figure out what's going on.
My phone number hasn't changed, just my carrier.  Is facebook carrier specific?

On 9/20/19, Donna  wrote:
> Is it possible that you changed phone numbers & forgot to update the change
> on facebook? It has been a while since I have changed my facebook password,
> I seem to recall that one could have the code sent to an e-mail address?
>
> Donna
>>
>> Hey  guys,
>>
>> So facebook wanted me to reset my password.  I'm having a huge
>> problem, cause i'm trying to do the account recovery.
>> What i am trying to do is have facebook text me a code to my phone,
>> but i am not getting the texts.  I am beyond frustrated, cause it
>> makes no sense at all.  Any ideas what could be happening?
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Re: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

[Gerardo Corripio]

Updated my SE, and everything (including the native Mail app) working as it 
should! The phone even seems a bit snappier than with iOS11&12!

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel

> El 20 sep 2019, a la(s) 5:56 a. m., Justin Harris  
> escribió:
> 
> 
>> 
>> Still not entirely sure why so many people are not wanting to update. Yes 
>> iOS was pretty buggy in those first few betas, but is pretty stable now. No 
>> major bugs come to mind. Final release seems just fine. I updated all my 
>> devices yesterday and have not had any problems at all for what that may be 
>> worth. 
>> 
>> Enviado desde mi iPhone
>> 
>> El 09/20/2019, a la(s) 3:36 a. m., Dave  escribió:
>> 
>> If you have your automatic updates off, and say remind
>> me later, there used to be another option to say no.
>> 
>> Then i would go and remove the downloaded update from my phone.
>> 
>> This always worked for me.
>> 
>> Dave.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Karen Poulakos
>> Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 2:53 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13
>> 
>> That's the approach I usually take.  But for me, disagreeing with the terms 
>> doesn't stop it permanently.  But it's an easy way to get rid of the 
>> message, and delay it for awhile.
>> 
>> Karen P
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of M. Taylor
>> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 8:34 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13
>> 
>> Hello Richard,
>> 
>> This is great info.
>> 
>> Not to put too simple a spin on this but the only way I have found to 
>> permanently stopped being prompted to update is to simply disagree with the 
>> terms of service.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Richard Turner
>> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 2:28 PM
>> To: ViPone list
>> Subject: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13
>> 
>> A coworker sent me this.
>> 
>> Info from another group worth noteing - Hello group! With iOS 13 coming out 
>> and lots of us not wanting to download it because of the multiple voiceover 
>> bugs, may I take this opportunity to warn you of apples rather sneaky way of 
>> overriding your settings to install updates when you don't want them.
>> If you go into settings, general, software update, you'll find a button to 
>> turn off automatic software updates. Go ahead and switch that to off, but be 
>> aware that it may not stop the update from being installed. There's another 
>> step you will probably need to take.
>> You may find a dialogue popping up sometime in the next few days asking if 
>> you want to install iOS 13. The two options you'll be given are "install 
>> now" or "later". You'll assume you need to choose "later", since you don't 
>> want the update at all, and then you'll be asked to enter your passcode. At 
>> this point, the phone is ready to install the update, despite the fact that 
>> you have auto update set to off, and it will do it sometime in the couple of 
>> days after you've seen the dialogue come up.
>> So, when the dialog has appeared and you've chosen the later option, go back 
>> into settings, general, software update and you'll see another button has 
>> appeared, called "Cancel auto install" or something like that. You need to 
>> double tap that button to stop the phone doing the update automatically. And 
>> all of this happens even though you've got your auto update set to off. 
>> Apple sure are keen to get us updating.
>> Sorry for the long post but I wouldn't want anyone to get caught out by this.
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
>> Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.
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Re: Huge voiceover bug and flaw in IOS 13

[alia robinson]

nobody needs chastising on this list for decisions they made with their iphone. 
someone has to report bugs , so someone has to experience them. why should 
anyone come here if they’re going to be laughed at and told ‘I told you so’ 
it’s shameful behavior! if you can’t or won’t help then fine, but don’t act 
like five year olds.
On Sep 20, 2019, at 6:59 AM, CrazyEyez  wrote:

Lol!
With respect, he could easily fix his problem.
Simply download the 12.4.1 IPSW file and downgrade.
I told you so.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 20, 2019, at 4:45 AM, Dave  wrote:
> 
> with respect, you should have waited.
> 
> Dave.
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Ketan Kothari
> Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 5:12 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Huge voiceover bug and flaw in IOS 13
> 
> Dear Friends,
> 
> I at the outset apologize for a slightly long post.  I have an Iphone
> XR.   Despite knowing that there are some bugs in IOS 13 I installed
> it and guess what! What I got was beyond my wildest imagination.
> 
> I am in India.  So when the phone restarted the default language was
> English India but voiceover voice was Hindi.  I tried all that I could
> to change the voice but nothing worked except that I could only change
> the voice from Hindi female to Hindi male.   After a lot of attempts I
> reset the phone to factory settings without deleting any contents.
> 
> And after that when I go into accessibility voiceover speech and voice
> I get "empty list".
> 
> So not only could I not change my voice but none is detected except
> the male voice.
> 
> I checked the Iphone storage but nothing seems to have been deleted.
> THen the question is:  where are the voices and why can't I change
> them?  How do I contact APppple?  THe Indian helpline is not to write
> much about.
> 
> In Apple support earlier there used to be chat but I could not find
> that today.  Any clue please?
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Ketan
> 
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Re: Huge voiceover bug and flaw in IOS 13

[CrazyEyez]

Lol!
With respect, he could easily fix his problem.
Simply download the 12.4.1 IPSW file and downgrade.
I told you so.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 20, 2019, at 4:45 AM, Dave  wrote:
> 
> with respect, you should have waited.
> 
> Dave.
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Ketan Kothari
> Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 5:12 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Huge voiceover bug and flaw in IOS 13
> 
> Dear Friends,
> 
> I at the outset apologize for a slightly long post.  I have an Iphone
> XR.   Despite knowing that there are some bugs in IOS 13 I installed
> it and guess what! What I got was beyond my wildest imagination.
> 
> I am in India.  So when the phone restarted the default language was
> English India but voiceover voice was Hindi.  I tried all that I could
> to change the voice but nothing worked except that I could only change
> the voice from Hindi female to Hindi male.   After a lot of attempts I
> reset the phone to factory settings without deleting any contents.
> 
> And after that when I go into accessibility voiceover speech and voice
> I get "empty list".
> 
> So not only could I not change my voice but none is detected except
> the male voice.
> 
> I checked the Iphone storage but nothing seems to have been deleted.
> THen the question is:  where are the voices and why can't I change
> them?  How do I contact APppple?  THe Indian helpline is not to write
> much about.
> 
> In Apple support earlier there used to be chat but I could not find
> that today.  Any clue please?
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Ketan
> 
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Re: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

[Justin Harris]

> Still not entirely sure why so many people are not wanting to update. Yes iOS 
> was pretty buggy in those first few betas, but is pretty stable now. No major 
> bugs come to mind. Final release seems just fine. I updated all my devices 
> yesterday and have not had any problems at all for what that may be worth. 
> 
> Enviado desde mi iPhone
> 
> El 09/20/2019, a la(s) 3:36 a. m., Dave  escribió:
> 
> If you have your automatic updates off, and say remind
> me later, there used to be another option to say no.
> 
> Then i would go and remove the downloaded update from my phone.
> 
> This always worked for me.
> 
> Dave.
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Karen Poulakos
> Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 2:53 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13
> 
> That's the approach I usually take.  But for me, disagreeing with the terms 
> doesn't stop it permanently.  But it's an easy way to get rid of the message, 
> and delay it for awhile.
> 
> Karen P
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> M. Taylor
> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 8:34 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13
> 
> Hello Richard,
> 
> This is great info.
> 
> Not to put too simple a spin on this but the only way I have found to 
> permanently stopped being prompted to update is to simply disagree with the 
> terms of service.
> 
> Mark
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 2:28 PM
> To: ViPone list
> Subject: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13
> 
> A coworker sent me this.
> 
> Info from another group worth noteing - Hello group! With iOS 13 coming out 
> and lots of us not wanting to download it because of the multiple voiceover 
> bugs, may I take this opportunity to warn you of apples rather sneaky way of 
> overriding your settings to install updates when you don't want them.
> If you go into settings, general, software update, you'll find a button to 
> turn off automatic software updates. Go ahead and switch that to off, but be 
> aware that it may not stop the update from being installed. There's another 
> step you will probably need to take.
> You may find a dialogue popping up sometime in the next few days asking if 
> you want to install iOS 13. The two options you'll be given are "install now" 
> or "later". You'll assume you need to choose "later", since you don't want 
> the update at all, and then you'll be asked to enter your passcode. At this 
> point, the phone is ready to install the update, despite the fact that you 
> have auto update set to off, and it will do it sometime in the couple of days 
> after you've seen the dialogue come up.
> So, when the dialog has appeared and you've chosen the later option, go back 
> into settings, general, software update and you'll see another button has 
> appeared, called "Cancel auto install" or something like that. You need to 
> double tap that button to stop the phone doing the update automatically. And 
> all of this happens even though you've got your auto update set to off. Apple 
> sure are keen to get us updating.
> Sorry for the long post but I wouldn't want anyone to get caught out by this.
> 
> 
> Richard
> 
> Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.
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Re: major facebook problem

[Donna]

Is it possible that you changed phone numbers & forgot to update the change on 
facebook? It has been a while since I have changed my facebook password, I seem 
to recall that one could have the code sent to an e-mail address?

Donna
> 
> Hey  guys,
> 
> So facebook wanted me to reset my password.  I'm having a huge
> problem, cause i'm trying to do the account recovery.
> What i am trying to do is have facebook text me a code to my phone,
> but i am not getting the texts.  I am beyond frustrated, cause it
> makes no sense at all.  Any ideas what could be happening?
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Re: Huge voiceover bug and flaw in IOS 13

[Dave]

with respect, you should have waited.

Dave.


-Original Message- 
From: Ketan Kothari

Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 5:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Huge voiceover bug and flaw in IOS 13

Dear Friends,

I at the outset apologize for a slightly long post.  I have an Iphone
XR.   Despite knowing that there are some bugs in IOS 13 I installed
it and guess what! What I got was beyond my wildest imagination.

I am in India.  So when the phone restarted the default language was
English India but voiceover voice was Hindi.  I tried all that I could
to change the voice but nothing worked except that I could only change
the voice from Hindi female to Hindi male.   After a lot of attempts I
reset the phone to factory settings without deleting any contents.

And after that when I go into accessibility voiceover speech and voice
I get "empty list".

So not only could I not change my voice but none is detected except
the male voice.

I checked the Iphone storage but nothing seems to have been deleted.
THen the question is:  where are the voices and why can't I change
them?  How do I contact APppple?  THe Indian helpline is not to write
much about.

In Apple support earlier there used to be chat but I could not find
that today.  Any clue please?

Thank you.

Ketan

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Re: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

[Dave]

If you have your automatic updates off, and say remind
me later, there used to be another option to say no.

Then i would go and remove the downloaded update from my phone.

This always worked for me.

Dave.


-Original Message- 
From: Karen Poulakos

Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 2:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

That's the approach I usually take.  But for me, disagreeing with the terms 
doesn't stop it permanently.  But it's an easy way to get rid of the 
message, and delay it for awhile.


Karen P
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of M. Taylor

Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 8:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

Hello Richard,

This is great info.

Not to put too simple a spin on this but the only way I have found to 
permanently stopped being prompted to update is to simply disagree with the 
terms of service.


Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Richard Turner

Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 2:28 PM
To: ViPone list
Subject: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

A coworker sent me this.

Info from another group worth noteing - Hello group! With iOS 13 coming out 
and lots of us not wanting to download it because of the multiple voiceover 
bugs, may I take this opportunity to warn you of apples rather sneaky way of 
overriding your settings to install updates when you don't want them.
If you go into settings, general, software update, you'll find a button to 
turn off automatic software updates. Go ahead and switch that to off, but be 
aware that it may not stop the update from being installed. There's another 
step you will probably need to take.
You may find a dialogue popping up sometime in the next few days asking if 
you want to install iOS 13. The two options you'll be given are "install 
now" or "later". You'll assume you need to choose "later", since you don't 
want the update at all, and then you'll be asked to enter your passcode. At 
this point, the phone is ready to install the update, despite the fact that 
you have auto update set to off, and it will do it sometime in the couple of 
days after you've seen the dialogue come up.
So, when the dialog has appeared and you've chosen the later option, go back 
into settings, general, software update and you'll see another button has 
appeared, called "Cancel auto install" or something like that. You need to 
double tap that button to stop the phone doing the update automatically. And 
all of this happens even though you've got your auto update set to off. 
Apple sure are keen to get us updating.
Sorry for the long post but I wouldn't want anyone to get caught out by 
this.



Richard

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.

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Re: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

[Dave]

Hi Mark, this is true.

Also, if you find it has downloaded to your device, it used to be possible 
to delete the download from your phone. But not sure if this is still the 
case.


This would give you your space back, and also stop it installing.

Dave.


-Original Message- 
From: M. Taylor

Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 2:33 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

Hello Richard,

This is great info.

Not to put too simple a spin on this but the only way I have found to 
permanently stopped being prompted to update is to simply disagree with the 
terms of service.


Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Richard Turner

Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 2:28 PM
To: ViPone list
Subject: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

A coworker sent me this.

Info from another group worth noteing - Hello group! With iOS 13 coming out 
and lots of us not wanting to download it because of the multiple voiceover 
bugs, may I take this opportunity to warn you of apples rather sneaky way of 
overriding your settings to install updates when you don't want them.
If you go into settings, general, software update, you'll find a button to 
turn off automatic software updates. Go ahead and switch that to off, but be 
aware that it may not stop the update from being installed. There's another 
step you will probably need to take.
You may find a dialogue popping up sometime in the next few days asking if 
you want to install iOS 13. The two options you'll be given are "install 
now" or "later". You'll assume you need to choose "later", since you don't 
want the update at all, and then you'll be asked to enter your passcode. At 
this point, the phone is ready to install the update, despite the fact that 
you have auto update set to off, and it will do it sometime in the couple of 
days after you've seen the dialogue come up.
So, when the dialog has appeared and you've chosen the later option, go back 
into settings, general, software update and you'll see another button has 
appeared, called "Cancel auto install" or something like that. You need to 
double tap that button to stop the phone doing the update automatically. And 
all of this happens even though you've got your auto update set to off. 
Apple sure are keen to get us updating.
Sorry for the long post but I wouldn't want anyone to get caught out by 
this.



Richard

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RE: accessible measuring app?

[Robert Wright]

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**If we can't look at ourselves, and ask, why?  then where does the 
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From: 'RobH.' via VIPhone
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 1:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: accessible measuring app?

Fascinating, hate to think of the possible price.

robH.
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From: "Richard Turner" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 1:44 AM
Subject: Re: accessible measuring app?


The below came from the Vision Aware site of AFB.
The Click Rule

The Click Rule is a metal tubular device slightly longer than 7 1/2 inches. A 
7-inch threaded rod is inserted into the tube. A 
knurled locking knob is screwed into the top of the threaded rod through a long 
slot that has been machined into the tube.

[closeup of someone using the Click Rule to measure a board]

The Click Rule

As the threaded rod is extended into and out of the tube, a clicking sound can 
be heard at 1/16-inch intervals. The threaded rod has 
raised threads every 1/2 inch.

The metal tube has two flat rectangular stops or fences mounted on it. One stop 
or fence is located precisely at the open end of the 
tube and the raised thread rod protrudes through it. The other stop or fence is 
positioned exactly six inches along the tube from 
the stop at the open end of the tube.

The Click Rule comes with three 12-inch extension rods that screw into the end 
of the Click Rule raised thread rod and into each 
other, enabling accurate measurements at 1/16-inch intervals, from zero to four 
feet. Additional extension rods can enable 
measurements beyond four feet.

[The Click Rule with a one-foot extension rod in place]

Click Rule with a one-foot extension rod

The Click Rule can be purchased from the National Federation of the Blind 
Online 
Store and from Community 
Advocates Inc., P.O. Box 83304, Lincoln, NE 68501-3304; 
402-486-3091.



Richard

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.


On Sep 19, 2019, at 4:57 PM, David Andrews  wrote:

The NFB used to sell them -- don't know if they still do.

Dave

At 06:25 PM 9/19/2019, you wrote:
Max,

I haven't been able to find anywhere I can purchase a click ruler.
I have a 25ft "braille" steel tape, but it only has markings every 6
inches which is not really accurate enough for my work, and I haven't
found any sources for something more accurate.

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Re: accessible measuring app?

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

Fascinating, hate to think of the possible price.

robH.
- Original Message - 
From: "Richard Turner" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 1:44 AM
Subject: Re: accessible measuring app?


The below came from the Vision Aware site of AFB.
The Click Rule

The Click Rule is a metal tubular device slightly longer than 7 1/2 inches. A 
7-inch threaded rod is inserted into the tube. A 
knurled locking knob is screwed into the top of the threaded rod through a long 
slot that has been machined into the tube.

[closeup of someone using the Click Rule to measure a board]

The Click Rule

As the threaded rod is extended into and out of the tube, a clicking sound can 
be heard at 1/16-inch intervals. The threaded rod has 
raised threads every 1/2 inch.

The metal tube has two flat rectangular stops or fences mounted on it. One stop 
or fence is located precisely at the open end of the 
tube and the raised thread rod protrudes through it. The other stop or fence is 
positioned exactly six inches along the tube from 
the stop at the open end of the tube.

The Click Rule comes with three 12-inch extension rods that screw into the end 
of the Click Rule raised thread rod and into each 
other, enabling accurate measurements at 1/16-inch intervals, from zero to four 
feet. Additional extension rods can enable 
measurements beyond four feet.

[The Click Rule with a one-foot extension rod in place]

Click Rule with a one-foot extension rod

The Click Rule can be purchased from the National Federation of the Blind 
Online 
Store and from Community 
Advocates Inc., P.O. Box 83304, Lincoln, NE 68501-3304; 
402-486-3091.



Richard

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.


On Sep 19, 2019, at 4:57 PM, David Andrews  wrote:

The NFB used to sell them -- don't know if they still do.

Dave

At 06:25 PM 9/19/2019, you wrote:
Max,

I haven't been able to find anywhere I can purchase a click ruler.
I have a 25ft "braille" steel tape, but it only has markings every 6
inches which is not really accurate enough for my work, and I haven't
found any sources for something more accurate.

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Re: accessible measuring app?

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

I endorse tape king, the only one of these I did any good with.  But still went 
back to the old tried and trusted.

RobH.

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To: "viphone" 
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 11:46 PM
Subject: Re: accessible measuring app?


Hi,
I have Two talking tapes. I have the Cobolt from the UK that I no longer use. 
The One I like is  the Tape King. It is accurate to 
1mm if I remember correctly about the same as the Clickruel. It is also a level.
Max.

> On 20 Sep 2019, at 8:30 am, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
>
> If you are wanting accurate measuring do not rely on an app.
> The click ruler is your best bet.
> Which talking tape is that you have Max?
> How accurate can you get with it?
>
>
> Richard
>
> Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.
>
>
>> On Sep 19, 2019, at 3:11 PM, Agent086b  wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> I am a woodworker and have not found a useful App for your purpose. There is 
>> a measure App on the iPhone I have never been able 
>> to use it reliably. I use a Click Rule or a talking tape.
>> Max.
>>
>>> On 20 Sep 2019, at 2:52 am, Donald Raikes  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I am looking for a n accessible app to enable me to take measurements
>>> for some home wood working projects I am interested in doing.
>>>
>>> I would rather not shell out $100.00+ for a talking tape measure, so I
>>> was wondering if there is an app that will get the job done.
>>>
>>> I know there is the measure app and tape measure app but neither seems
>>> to be accesible.
>>>
>>> Any suggestions are greatly appreciated.
>>>
>>> Donald
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