youtube music and google assistant i

['Ming' via VIPhone]

hey!
anyone have the same issue?

I just got Youtube Music  and google assistant 
and when I ask google  assistant to play something on youtube music.
 it also open the youtube app and not the youtube music app!



Ming 
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Audio description missing missing on Apple TV+ series

[Anisio Correia]

Hello all,

I have been enjoying some of the new shows on Apple TV+. However, to my 
disappointment, audio description is not available on episode 3 of the series 
For All Mankind. Has anyone noticed this?

Anisio Correia

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Re: I can't delete an email message.

[Cris Ali]

Hi Anna,
I turned my phone on and off several times, but unfortunately this email 
message is refusing to buzz off. May be it likes me so much and decided to 
stick around. This has happened twice since I upgraded to iOS 13.2.

Regards,
Cris


Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 5, 2019, at 8:47 PM, Anna Dresner  wrote:


Hi Chris,

Try restarting your phone and then trying to delete the message again. This has 
worked for me at times.

Best,
Anna




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mailto:filasti...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Folks,
I have an email message in my inbox on my iPhone. I have deleted it may be a 
hundred times since yesterday, but it comes back each time I open my inbox. Has 
anyone experienced anything like this? Every other email message in the same 
inbox gets deleted just fine except this one message.  When I checked its 
status using my laptop, the message did not appear in my inbox, which means it 
got deleted from the mail server.  Nonetheless it is not leaving my iPhone. 
When I delete it, It goes away but only to appear again in the same place when 
I open the inbox again.
This happened to me once before and I could not get rid of the message until I 
deleted the email account and create it again.

If anyone has any idea of why something like this happens please let me know.

Regards,

Cris

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Re: I can't delete an email message.

[Anna Dresner]

Hi Chris,

Try restarting your phone and then trying to delete the message again. This has 
worked for me at times.

Best,
Anna




> On Nov 5, 2019, at 6:01 PM, Cris Ali  wrote:
> 
> Hi Folks,
> I have an email message in my inbox on my iPhone. I have deleted it may be a 
> hundred times since yesterday, but it comes back each time I open my inbox. 
> Has anyone experienced anything like this? Every other email message in the 
> same inbox gets deleted just fine except this one message.  When I checked 
> its status using my laptop, the message did not appear in my inbox, which 
> means it got deleted from the mail server.  Nonetheless it is not leaving my 
> iPhone. When I delete it, It goes away but only to appear again in the same 
> place when I open the inbox again.
> This happened to me once before and I could not get rid of the message until 
> I deleted the email account and create it again.
>  
> If anyone has any idea of why something like this happens please let me know.
>  
> Regards,
>  
> Cris
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Re: Apple Watch VS FitBit

[Chris Chaffin]

Hello Richard,

The Apple Watch not only notifies you if you have a high or low heart rate, but 
it will also notify you if you have an irregular heart rhythm that looks like 
an atrial fibrillation.  You are able to set the high and low heart rates to 
whatever you want it to be.  Also remember that you can also conduct an ECG 
with an Apple Watch, and send the ECG results to your doctor.  The ECG results 
remain in the health app on your phone, so you can access them at any time.

I can not speak for fitBit since I have never used one.  I will say if 
accessibility is an issue, then I would think that there is not anything more 
accessible than the Apple Watch.

Chris


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>  I have a client whose doctor told her she needs an Apple Watch to monitor 
> her heart rate.
> I know the Apple Watch will alert people to very fast heart rates, but will 
> it also alert people with very low heart rates?
> And, can a FitBit do the same thing?
> She is not wanting to spend the money for an Apple Watch unless it is clearly 
> the best choice.
> She has an iPhone 8.
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
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Please contact Spotify support to report accessibility change in most recent release

[Shermeen Khan]

Not to beat a dead horse or anything, but I'm really hoping that
people might feel compelled to contact Spotify to let them know that
as of the most recent update, voiceover users can no longer read
descriptions of any playlists. Remarkably, the chat option on their
website is accessible, although you can also e-mail
supp...@spotify.com or contact them on twitter or another social media
platform if that's easier. And if you haven't yet updated, I'd urge
you not to, as this issue is not specific to me.

Thanks, all.

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Re: You and your Apple Watch, a guide for blind users, Anna Dresner

[Anna Dresner]

Hi Richard,

I wrote this book two years ago, so the most recent watch in the book was the 
series 3. Newer versions of watch OS have features that aren't covered, but 
most of what is in the book is still accurate in watch OS 6. Someone could 
still use it to get started and do a lot with their watch.

Best,
Anna




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> Anna if you are reading this, or anyone who has read this book, which Watch 
> or watches are discussed in the book?
> I assume a new book may be coming out on Series 5, but I have a client 
> needing info sooner than later.
> Thanks
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
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Re: Apple Watch VS FitBit

[Feliciano Godoy]

Hi,
The Apple Watch series 3 or newer have heart features that can help her monitor 
health. detection of low or high heart rate features is one of them. In 
addition, there are apps like auto sleep,HeartWatch or SleepWatch that are 
great. I personally use the Apple Watch to monitor sleep and health information 
as it relates to fitness.


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On Nov 5, 2019, at 2:29 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:

 I have a client whose doctor told her she needs an Apple Watch to monitor her 
heart rate.
I know the Apple Watch will alert people to very fast heart rates, but will it 
also alert people with very low heart rates?
And, can a FitBit do the same thing?
She is not wanting to spend the money for an Apple Watch unless it is clearly 
the best choice.
She has an iPhone 8.
Richard




Richard
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RE: Booking Flight Via Airmiles App?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

No, you can’t book flights with the app, in fact, the Air Miles app is somewhat 
useless since all it is really good for is to see any sort of Air Mile offers 
and such. You have to use the Air Miles website for everything else and while 
it’s doable with Jaws it can be a bit of a challenge especially selecting 
departure and return dates. You more or less have to press enter on the field 
and hope the calendar comes up and then use the Jaws cursor to find your date 
and sometimes it works and other times it does not.


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Hi, list.
I am in Canada.
Can I book flight by using my airmiles in the AirMiles App?
If yes, how can that be done, please?
Thanks!

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Paring a third party keyboard.

[Julie Dawson]

In the past when I sought to pare a third party keyboard in this case an Anker 
keyboard it asked for a code which was sent in a message. I went to message, 
retrieved the code went back and typed it on the keyboard I was paring, hit the 
enter key and it pared seamlessly. Since I updated to IOS12 since it is an 
older device for a friend, it sais sending the code and the paring is 
unsuccessful and I cannot find where the code might be. If anyone has any 
ideas, any guidance would be most definitely appreciated.

Sincerely,
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I can't delete an email message.

[Cris Ali]

Hi Folks,
I have an email message in my inbox on my iPhone. I have deleted it may be a 
hundred times since yesterday, but it comes back each time I open my inbox. Has 
anyone experienced anything like this? Every other email message in the same 
inbox gets deleted just fine except this one message.  When I checked its 
status using my laptop, the message did not appear in my inbox, which means it 
got deleted from the mail server.  Nonetheless it is not leaving my iPhone. 
When I delete it, It goes away but only to appear again in the same place when 
I open the inbox again.
This happened to me once before and I could not get rid of the message until I 
deleted the email account and create it again.

If anyone has any idea of why something like this happens please let me know.

Regards,

Cris

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A Study regarding assistance for blind users - an university study

[Gonçalo Ferreira]

Hello,

My name is Gonçalo and i'm developing a thesis in the field of smartphones 
accessibility. I'm developing an application which is meant to be a 
"bridge" between a sighted user and a blind user, to help doing some tasks 
in the smartphone.

One of the phases is the characterization of the current state of remote 
assistance. If you could help me by filling a questionnaire, it would be 
very helpful. It shouldn't take more than 10 minutes.

The link to the questionnaire is https://forms.gle/Qx4fvLveYEyjLcyi7

When results are analyzed, I'll share with you the conclusions of the work, 
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You and your Apple Watch, a guide for blind users, Anna Dresner

[Richard Turner]

Anna if you are reading this, or anyone who has read this book, which Watch or 
watches are discussed in the book?
I assume a new book may be coming out on Series 5, but I have a client needing 
info sooner than later.
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Apple Watch VS FitBit

[Richard Turner]

I have a client whose doctor told her she needs an Apple Watch to monitor her 
heart rate.
I know the Apple Watch will alert people to very fast heart rates, but will it 
also alert people with very low heart rates?
And, can a FitBit do the same thing?
She is not wanting to spend the money for an Apple Watch unless it is clearly 
the best choice.
She has an iPhone 8.
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Re: Notifications on the Status Bar

[l . d . ethier23]

Yes, go to settings/notification you can change it for each apps 

Lyne

> Le 5 nov. 2019 à 10:28, kelby carlson  a écrit :
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> Is there a way to get notifications to disappear from the status bar after a 
> few seconds? When I get a text message now, the notification stays there 
> until I dismiss it, which didn't use to happen.
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Re: Braille Screen Input Strange Noises

[kelby carlson]

I turned that off but I'm still getting the It doesn't seem to be happening as 
much, though.

> On Nov 5, 2019, at 2:57 PM, Bob Hill  wrote:
> 
> Hi, 
> 
> another possibility is !that you have "slide to type" se! to on. 
> Go to settings, general, keyboard. 
> Look to see if "slide to type" is set to on. 
> Turn it off if it is, and see if that makes a difference. 
> 
> Bob 
> 
> 
> Sent from Bob's iPhone  7 
> 
>> On Nov 5, 2019, at 2:23 PM, kelby carlson  wrote:
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>> The sounds are similar, but I checked and autocorrect is turned off.
>> 
 On Nov 5, 2019, at 12:30 PM, Nicki Keck  wrote:
>>> 
>>> HI Kelby,
>>> 
>>> I have a feeling your autocorrect might be on in your keyboard settings.  
>>> Mine is doing the same thing, and it sounds like the sound you hear if 
>>> there are suggestions for what you've typed.  I haven't looked yet, but 
>>> that's what I think it is.  Will say more if I find out for sure, but until 
>>> then, check your keyboard settings.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>>> kelby carlson
>>> Sent: Monday, November 4, 2019 6:58 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Braille Screen Input Strange Noises
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhoneApologies for so many questions in a row today. After 
>>> the updape, I notice that while I type in Braille Screen Input, my phone 
>>> makes odd noises, rather like bubbles popping. Has anyone else heard this? 
>>> I went into Braille Screen Input's septings, but didn't find anything that 
>>> seemed related. 
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Re: Braille Screen Input Strange Noises

[Bob Hill]

Hi, 
 
another possibility is !that you have "slide to type" se! to on. 
Go to settings, general, keyboard. 
Look to see if "slide to type" is set to on. 
Turn it off if it is, and see if that makes a difference. 

Bob 


Sent from Bob's iPhone  7 

> On Nov 5, 2019, at 2:23 PM, kelby carlson  wrote:
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> The sounds are similar, but I checked and autocorrect is turned off.
> 
>> On Nov 5, 2019, at 12:30 PM, Nicki Keck  wrote:
>> 
>> HI Kelby,
>> 
>> I have a feeling your autocorrect might be on in your keyboard settings.  
>> Mine is doing the same thing, and it sounds like the sound you hear if there 
>> are suggestions for what you've typed.  I haven't looked yet, but that's 
>> what I think it is.  Will say more if I find out for sure, but until then, 
>> check your keyboard settings.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of kelby 
>> carlson
>> Sent: Monday, November 4, 2019 6:58 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Braille Screen Input Strange Noises
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhoneApologies for so many questions in a row today. After the 
>> updape, I notice that while I type in Braille Screen Input, my phone makes 
>> odd noises, rather like bubbles popping. Has anyone else heard this? I went 
>> into Braille Screen Input's septings, but didn't find anything that seemed 
>> related. 
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Re: disconnected phone calls

[Barry Abbott]

Hello Tom and all. I’ve noticed this as well. I have been disconnected from at 
least three or four calls this week. It seems that it happens several minutes 
into the call not just right away.

Barry

Sent from Barry Abbott’s iPhone

> On Nov 5, 2019, at 8:28 AM, Tom Rash  wrote:
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> I have a 6S and since upgrading to IOS version 13 I’ve had several phone 
> calls just disconnect.  Anyone having this problem?  Thanks.
> and go
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Re: Braille Screen Input Strange Noises

[kelby carlson]

The sounds are similar, but I checked and autocorrect is turned off.

> On Nov 5, 2019, at 12:30 PM, Nicki Keck  wrote:
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> HI Kelby,
> 
> I have a feeling your autocorrect might be on in your keyboard settings.  
> Mine is doing the same thing, and it sounds like the sound you hear if there 
> are suggestions for what you've typed.  I haven't looked yet, but that's what 
> I think it is.  Will say more if I find out for sure, but until then, check 
> your keyboard settings.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of kelby 
> carlson
> Sent: Monday, November 4, 2019 6:58 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Braille Screen Input Strange Noises
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhoneApologies for so many questions in a row today. After the 
> updape, I notice that while I type in Braille Screen Input, my phone makes 
> odd noises, rather like bubbles popping. Has anyone else heard this? I went 
> into Braille Screen Input's septings, but didn't find anything that seemed 
> related. 
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Re: BT mic for iphone/Pad

[Richard Turner]

I have no idea.
You would need to look up their specifications.
I'm happy with the 6, so wasn't looking to buy a new one when the 7 came out.




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On Nov 5, 2019, at 7:25 AM, Anthony Vece  wrote:

Richard what is the difference between the IQ sixand the IQ seven

Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!

On Nov 5, 2019, at 8:27 AM, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:

This looks like an interesting app but it is not available here in the UK so 
not be widely available.

Sent from my iPhone

On 5 Nov 2019, at 13:20, Richard Turner  wrote:

Have you already decided on an app for the recording?

In the Applevis newsletter this month, they talked about an app called Dolby 
On.  It gives very high quality recordings just with the built-in microphone.  
If you are doing a group discussion, you may want a stereo microphone.
First, since the Dolby On app is free, I'll give you that link:
https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fapps.apple.com%2Fus%2Fapp%2Fdolby-on-record-audio-video%2Fid1443964192data=02%7C01%7C%7Ca1768a09e7964684688f08d762046d22%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637085643456195251sdata=kdy5W%2B5qkZRERDloNqTIVEqkkXmJkygx%2BraQR7mVc9o%3Dreserved=0

I personally like the Zoom IQ6 or Zoom IQ7 microphones.  They are stereo 
microphones but you cannot have a thick case on the phone as the lightning plug 
is fairly short.  So, Otterbox cases are out, unless you want to remove the 
case to record.
I have the Zoom IQ6 and it has a 3.5 inch earphone jack on the side so you can 
hear VoiceOver to control whatever recording app you use.  Warning, turn the 
VoiceOver volume way down to spare your ear drums.  The VO volume through that 
jack is very loud.
That is the only reason I have the VoiceOver volume on the rotor.

I believe the Zoom IQ7 also has the earphone jack.

The microphones are around $100.

Others probably have microphones to recommend.

HTH,


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-Original Message-
From: 'ChalmersAS' via VIPhone 
Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 4:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: BT mic for iphone/Pad

Hello

Looking for recommendations for a good all round mic.

Our iPhone group, which is not funded, wants to try podcasting. We want to 
start out using our i devices at first, but realise we may get much better 
results with an external mic.

Probably most of the recording wil be indoors, but we do have some ideas about 
recording outside.

Naturally, if we get the hang of it, we may be looking in the future to use 
more specialised equipment, but that’s a way off yet.

Oh and if anyone has any other advice, please do let us know.

Best

Adrienne

On behalf of VoiceoverEd

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RE: Braille Screen Input Strange Noises

[Nicki Keck]

HI Kelby,

I have a feeling your autocorrect might be on in your keyboard settings.  Mine 
is doing the same thing, and it sounds like the sound you hear if there are 
suggestions for what you've typed.  I haven't looked yet, but that's what I 
think it is.  Will say more if I find out for sure, but until then, check your 
keyboard settings.

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carlson
Sent: Monday, November 4, 2019 6:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Braille Screen Input Strange Noises



Sent from my iPhoneApologies for so many questions in a row today. After the 
updape, I notice that while I type in Braille Screen Input, my phone makes odd 
noises, rather like bubbles popping. Has anyone else heard this? I went into 
Braille Screen Input's septings, but didn't find anything that seemed related. 

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Really? after 50 plus emails, Kelby you should go to the Apple store or call Disability support RE: Can't Reboot iPhone

[territek]

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of kelby 
carlson
Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 6:31 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Can't Reboot iPhone

A quick press accomplishes nothing. They have to be held down.

> On Nov 5, 2019, at 3:53 AM, Dave  wrote:
> 
> You do a quick press, of the volume buttons, and don't hold them for long, 
> as that will lower your volume.
> 
> Dave.
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: kelby carlson
> Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2019 12:11 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Can't Reboot iPhone
> 
> I know you do because I have had an iPhone 7 for 3 years. The problem is that 
> pressing that combination now also turns the volume all the way down.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 4, 2019, at 7:02 PM, Anna Dresner  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Kelby,
>> 
>> I think you press Volume Down and the side button together to do a reset on 
>> the iPHone 7, but I would suggest checking the user guide to be sure or 
>> Googling it.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Anna
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
 On Nov 4, 2019, at 5:27 PM, kelby carlson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> No, pressing that combination of buttons does not work on the iPhone 7.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Nov 4, 2019, at 5:39 PM, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
 
 On the iPhone 7, I believe you press and hold the Home and 
 Power/Side buttons for 10 to 15 seconds. This will reboot and reset the 
 phone.
 You will not lose any data or apps from doing this.
 
 Wayne
 
> On 11/4/19, kelby carlson  wrote:
> I am talking about actually force rebooting the phone, not just 
> powering it off.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Nov 4, 2019, at 5:12 PM, Anna Dresner  wrote:
>> 
>> Then you can just hold the side button to bring up the screen 
>> where you can power down the phone.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 4, 2019, at 4:04 PM, kelby carlson 
>>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm not, I should have specified I'm using a 7.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Nov 4, 2019, at 4:44 PM, Anna Dresner  wrote:
 
 Hi Kelby,
 
 I'm assuming you're using an iPhone 8 or later. You can bring 
 up the screen where you turn off the phone by tapping and 
 releasing Volume Up, then tapping and releasing Volume Down, 
 then holding the side button for a few seconds. If you do these 
 same gestures but hold the side button for 10 seconds, the phone 
 resets.
 
 Best,
 Anna
 
 
 
 
> On Nov 4, 2019, at 3:38 PM, kelby carlson 
> 
> wrote:
> 
> After updating to iOS 13, I now have an issue force restarting 
> my phone. Namely that when I hold down the lock button and the 
> volume down button, VO's volume is turned all the way down. 
> Obviously this is not good if you are trying to restart the 
> phone. Is there a way around this?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Can't Reboot iPhone

[Robin]

Sounds like a  Reach Around to me. All this just 
to perform a  Restart or Reboot on Apple's iOS.


At 06:27 AM 11/5/2019, you wrote:
When I had my 7, I would hold down home and side 
button for about 13 seconds. This worked for me 
even though the home button is a solid state 
home button. But I thought that the previous 
method mentioned would work for the 7 as well. 
If not, definitely try holding home and side button for around 13 seconds.


On 11/5/2019 7:59 AM, Richard Turner wrote:

Gordan,
Have you done that with an iPhone 7?
That is the steps for an iPhone 8 and later.

Kelby,
Have you talked with Apple about this?
Do you have Sounds set to change with buttons?

I don't have access to an iPhone 7 to test.

For most purposes, a power off and power on 
will accomplish what you need.  I'm not exactly 
sure what a reboot does that a shut down and restart doesn't.





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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Gordon
Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 5:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Can't Reboot iPhone

I've read where that will call emergency 
services if held down for a few seconds without 
release. the way I've always done a reboot is 
to press volume down and release it quickly, 
then press volume up and release quickly. then 
hold down the side button for about 13 seconds or so.


On 11/5/2019 7:38 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
According to CNet, you are right, but maybe 
you are holding them down too long?

This is what I found:
You now need to hold the wake and volume down buttons at the same
time. After a few seconds of holding in the 
buttons, the Apple logo will appear on your 
iPhone's display, indicating it has restarted. 
Then you should be back in business.


Of course, there is no VoiceOver feedback so 
try holding for a count of 5 or 6 seconds, i.e. one 1000, 2 1000, etc.

Then waiting for a minute or two for the restart.

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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
kelby carlson
Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 5:31 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Can't Reboot iPhone

A quick press accomplishes nothing. They have to be held down.


On Nov 5, 2019, at 3:53 AM, Dave  wrote:

You do a quick press, of the volume 
buttons, and don't hold them for long, as that will lower your volume.


Dave.


-Original Message- From: kelby carlson
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2019 12:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Can't Reboot iPhone

I know you do because I have had an iPhone 7 
for 3 years. The problem is that pressing 
that combination now also turns the volume all the way down.


Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 4, 2019, at 7:02 PM, Anna Dresner  wrote:

Hi Kelby,

I think you press Volume Down and the side 
button together to do a reset on the iPHone 
7, but I would suggest checking the user guide to be sure or Googling it.


Best,
Anna




On Nov 4, 2019, at 5:27 PM, kelby carlson 
 wrote:

No, pressing that combination of buttons does not work on the iPhone 7.

Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 4, 2019, at 5:39 PM, Wayne Merritt  wrote:

On the iPhone 7, I believe you press and hold the Home and
Power/Side buttons for 10 to 15 seconds. 
This will reboot and reset the phone.

You will not lose any data or apps from doing this.

Wayne


On 11/4/19, kelby carlson  wrote:
I am talking about actually force rebooting the phone, not just
powering it off.

Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 4, 2019, at 5:12 PM, Anna Dresner  wrote:

Then you can just hold the side button to bring up the screen
where you can power down the phone.



On Nov 4, 2019, at 4:04 PM, kelby carlson

wrote:

I'm not, I should have specified I'm using a 7.

Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 4, 2019, at 4:44 PM, Anna Dresner  wrote:

Hi Kelby,

I'm assuming you're using an iPhone 8 or later. You can bring
up the screen where you turn off the phone by tapping and
releasing Volume Up, then tapping and releasing Volume Down,
then holding the side button for a few seconds. If you do
these same gestures but hold the side 
button for 10 seconds, the phone resets.


Best,
Anna





On Nov 4, 2019, at 3:38 PM, kelby carlson

wrote:

After updating to iOS 13, I now have an issue force
restarting my phone. Namely that when I hold down the lock
button and the volume down button, 
VO's volume is turned all the way down.

Obviously this is not good if you are trying to restart the
phone. Is there a way around this?

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: BT mic for iphone/Pad

[Anthony Vece]

Richard what is the difference between the IQ sixand the IQ seven

Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!

> On Nov 5, 2019, at 8:27 AM, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
> 
> This looks like an interesting app but it is not available here in the UK so 
> not be widely available.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 5 Nov 2019, at 13:20, Richard Turner  wrote:
>> 
>> Have you already decided on an app for the recording?
>> 
>> In the Applevis newsletter this month, they talked about an app called Dolby 
>> On.  It gives very high quality recordings just with the built-in 
>> microphone.  If you are doing a group discussion, you may want a stereo 
>> microphone.
>> First, since the Dolby On app is free, I'll give you that link:
>> https://apps.apple.com/us/app/dolby-on-record-audio-video/id1443964192
>> 
>> I personally like the Zoom IQ6 or Zoom IQ7 microphones.  They are stereo 
>> microphones but you cannot have a thick case on the phone as the lightning 
>> plug is fairly short.  So, Otterbox cases are out, unless you want to remove 
>> the case to record.
>> I have the Zoom IQ6 and it has a 3.5 inch earphone jack on the side so you 
>> can hear VoiceOver to control whatever recording app you use.  Warning, turn 
>> the VoiceOver volume way down to spare your ear drums.  The VO volume 
>> through that jack is very loud.
>> That is the only reason I have the VoiceOver volume on the rotor.
>> 
>> I believe the Zoom IQ7 also has the earphone jack.
>> 
>> The microphones are around $100.
>> 
>> Others probably have microphones to recommend.
>> 
>> HTH,
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
>>  Live long and prosper
>> 
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>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'ChalmersAS' via VIPhone  
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 4:40 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: BT mic for iphone/Pad
>> 
>> Hello
>> 
>> Looking for recommendations for a good all round mic.
>> 
>> Our iPhone group, which is not funded, wants to try podcasting. We want to 
>> start out using our i devices at first, but realise we may get much better 
>> results with an external mic.
>> 
>> Probably most of the recording wil be indoors, but we do have some ideas 
>> about recording outside.
>> 
>> Naturally, if we get the hang of it, we may be looking in the future to use 
>> more specialised equipment, but that’s a way off yet.
>> 
>> Oh and if anyone has any other advice, please do let us know.
>> 
>> Best
>> 
>> Adrienne
>> 
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Re: Apple Newsroom: Apple reveals new AirPods Pro, available October 30

[Ed Worrell]

Hey Lenron,

You are correct it would really take some jumping and shaking around to Gert 
these to fall out. They are in your ears pretty snug.

Ed W.

> On Nov 5, 2019, at 6:13 AM, lenron brown  wrote:
> 
> Good that the audio is better. I would think it would be for 250 bucks
> though. The audio in the Airpods first gens kind of suck though.
> Honestly if I pay more than 200 bucks I want an over the ear headset.
> I am guessing but I bet these pros don't fall out like the normal
> airpods.
> 
> On 11/5/19, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
>> In my opinion, the price is way to expensive.  If I'm going to pay
>> $250 for something, then it had better have better battery life then 3
>> hours.  I've got a pair of ear buds that are wireless and lasts for
>> about the same time, but I didn't pay anywhere near the price of the
>> new apple airpods.
>> 
>> On 11/5/19, Angie Nutt  wrote:
>>> Thanks for that; I read a review about them recently which, along with
>>> your
>>> impressions, makes me think I want a pair. 
>>> 
>>> All the best
>>> Angie
>>> 
 On 4 Nov 2019, at 18:19, Ed Worrell  wrote:
 
 Hello All,
 
 I just got my Air Pods Pro’s in the mail over the weekend. I am
 impressed
 with them. The noice canceling feature is interesting and it will take
 some getting used to. The Transparency mode is really cool. It allows
 your
 audio such as music or even Voiceover to be heard with the audio around
 you ducking under it so you can hear your surroundings. From what I can
 tell you only lose about 20 mins off of the full charge when either mode
 is active. You get the same battery life as the original Air Pods. I
 find
 the Pros to be much more comfortable and I don’t have any soreness after
 wearing them for a lengthily listen to my favorite music. They come with
 3
 different silicone ear tips for a customizable fit.  The audio is 100
 times better then the original Air Pods. The new H1 chip for Siri and
 audio makes it so there is very little or even no lag for voiceover
 users.
 Gestures and what is spoken are in pretty good sync.
 
 So far I really like them a lot.
 
 Ed W.
 
 
> On Oct 29, 2019, at 9:59 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> In addition to having active noise cancellation they are also a
> different
> design, the Airpods Pro have silicon tips, sit nside your ear canal
> and
> completely seal your ear. They have apparently some mode where you are
> supposed to be able to hear what's going on around you through the
> microphones of these Airpods, but how realistic that represents what
> really goes on around you remains to be seen and I assume in this mode
> the few hours of battery life will be even further shortened.
> At $249 US they certainly won't be on my "I wish I had those" list.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Maria Reyes
> Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2019 7:28 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple Newsroom: Apple reveals new AirPods Pro, available
> October 30
> 
>> They have noise cancellation. I enjoy my first gen AirPods. The
>> battery
>> life doesn't really bother me, but that's because I only use them a
>> certain amount.
>> 
>> On Oct 29, 2019, at 6:08 PM, Alex Stone 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I haven’t really been following this thread, but what do these AirPods
>> pro do that my current airpods2 dont?
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of
>> lenron brown 
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2019 9:19:06 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: Apple Newsroom: Apple reveals new AirPods Pro, available
>> October 30
>> 
>> I normally end up doing the wear one at a time thing because of the
>> battery life. It kind of drives me nuts, I think I will glad a pair of
>> the over the ear beats that just came out at some point. Then again
>> the Bose might be a better choice, will do some testing. Anyways if
>> the batteries in the Airpods Pro are the same they are not all that
>> useful to me. Maybe in a few years we can get at least 10 hours.
>> 
>> On 10/29/19, Keith Bierman  wrote:
>>> again, it's a matter of the load (how much processing there is) and
>>> the size of the battery. The more processing, the higher the load,
>>> the bigger the drain on the battery. hearing aides for small to
>>> medium hearing loss, not using wireless have pretty small demands on
>>> the battery. The more profound the loss, the more wireless activity,
>>> the higher the load. The apple airpods have (arguably) daft amounts
>>> of processing (but it's why they do seamless switching between
>>> devices and happily connect to their phone/ipad/laptop from many feet
>>> away).
>>> 
>>> I'm 

Re: Apple Newsroom: Apple reveals new AirPods Pro, available October 30

[Ed Worrell]

Hey Joshua,

You in  fact do get better then 3 hours of battery. Each ear pod has a battery 
that last for 5 hours on a single charge, plus you have the battery case, this 
gets you 24 or more hours of use. The Air Pods take simply 15 mins to get to an 
80% charge and this gets you more than 3 hours with the quick charge.

I don’t mean to sound harsh hear but if you don’t want them don’t get them and 
stop complaining about them.

Ed W.

> On Nov 5, 2019, at 6:07 AM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
> 
> In my opinion, the price is way to expensive.  If I'm going to pay
> $250 for something, then it had better have better battery life then 3
> hours.  I've got a pair of ear buds that are wireless and lasts for
> about the same time, but I didn't pay anywhere near the price of the
> new apple airpods.
> 
> On 11/5/19, Angie Nutt  wrote:
>> Thanks for that; I read a review about them recently which, along with your
>> impressions, makes me think I want a pair. 
>> 
>> All the best
>> Angie
>> 
>>> On 4 Nov 2019, at 18:19, Ed Worrell  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello All,
>>> 
>>> I just got my Air Pods Pro’s in the mail over the weekend. I am impressed
>>> with them. The noice canceling feature is interesting and it will take
>>> some getting used to. The Transparency mode is really cool. It allows your
>>> audio such as music or even Voiceover to be heard with the audio around
>>> you ducking under it so you can hear your surroundings. From what I can
>>> tell you only lose about 20 mins off of the full charge when either mode
>>> is active. You get the same battery life as the original Air Pods. I find
>>> the Pros to be much more comfortable and I don’t have any soreness after
>>> wearing them for a lengthily listen to my favorite music. They come with 3
>>> different silicone ear tips for a customizable fit.  The audio is 100
>>> times better then the original Air Pods. The new H1 chip for Siri and
>>> audio makes it so there is very little or even no lag for voiceover users.
>>> Gestures and what is spoken are in pretty good sync.
>>> 
>>> So far I really like them a lot.
>>> 
>>> Ed W.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Oct 29, 2019, at 9:59 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
 
 In addition to having active noise cancellation they are also a different
 design, the Airpods Pro have silicon tips, sit nside your ear canal  and
 completely seal your ear. They have apparently some mode where you are
 supposed to be able to hear what's going on around you through the
 microphones of these Airpods, but how realistic that represents what
 really goes on around you remains to be seen and I assume in this mode
 the few hours of battery life will be even further shortened.
 At $249 US they certainly won't be on my "I wish I had those" list.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
 Maria Reyes
 Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2019 7:28 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Apple Newsroom: Apple reveals new AirPods Pro, available
 October 30
 
> They have noise cancellation. I enjoy my first gen AirPods. The battery
> life doesn't really bother me, but that's because I only use them a
> certain amount.
> 
> On Oct 29, 2019, at 6:08 PM, Alex Stone 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I haven’t really been following this thread, but what do these AirPods
> pro do that my current airpods2 dont?
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of
> lenron brown 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2019 9:19:06 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Apple Newsroom: Apple reveals new AirPods Pro, available
> October 30
> 
> I normally end up doing the wear one at a time thing because of the
> battery life. It kind of drives me nuts, I think I will glad a pair of
> the over the ear beats that just came out at some point. Then again
> the Bose might be a better choice, will do some testing. Anyways if
> the batteries in the Airpods Pro are the same they are not all that
> useful to me. Maybe in a few years we can get at least 10 hours.
> 
> On 10/29/19, Keith Bierman  wrote:
>> again, it's a matter of the load (how much processing there is) and
>> the size of the battery. The more processing, the higher the load,
>> the bigger the drain on the battery. hearing aides for small to
>> medium hearing loss, not using wireless have pretty small demands on
>> the battery. The more profound the loss, the more wireless activity,
>> the higher the load. The apple airpods have (arguably) daft amounts
>> of processing (but it's why they do seamless switching between
>> devices and happily connect to their phone/ipad/laptop from many feet
>> away).
>> 
>> I'm not privy to the precise figures for any of the internals
>> (hearing aid, cochlear processor, airpods) but the engineering
>> trade-offs are pretty much textbook 

Re: Can't Reboot iPhone

[kelby carlson]

I did discover one work-around: pressing the side and volume down buttons while 
the screen is locked will not turn down voiceover's volume and will reboot the 
phone. 

> On Nov 5, 2019, at 9:35 AM, Dave  wrote:
> 
> That old way, also, still works on my iPhone 8.
> 
> Dave.
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Gordon
> Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2019 2:27 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Can't Reboot iPhone
> 
> When I had my 7, I would hold down home and side button for about 13
> seconds. This worked for me even though the home button is a solid state
> home button. But I thought that the previous method mentioned would work
> for the 7 as well. If not, definitely try holding home and side button
> for around 13 seconds.
> 
>> On 11/5/2019 7:59 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
>> Gordan,
>> Have you done that with an iPhone 7?
>> That is the steps for an iPhone 8 and later.
>> 
>> Kelby,
>> Have you talked with Apple about this?
>> Do you have Sounds set to change with buttons?
>> 
>> I don't have access to an iPhone 7 to test.
>> 
>> For most purposes, a power off and power on will accomplish what you need. 
>> I'm not exactly sure what a reboot does that a shut down and restart doesn't.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
>>  Live long and prosper
>> 
>> 
>> Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Gordon
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 5:48 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Can't Reboot iPhone
>> 
>> I've read where that will call emergency services if held down for a few 
>> seconds without release. the way I've always done a reboot is to press 
>> volume down and release it quickly, then press volume up and release 
>> quickly. then hold down the side button for about 13 seconds or so.
>> 
>>> On 11/5/2019 7:38 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
>>> According to CNet, you are right, but maybe you are holding them down too 
>>> long?
>>> This is what I found:
>>> You now need to hold the wake and volume down buttons at the same
>>> time. After a few seconds of holding in the buttons, the Apple logo will 
>>> appear on your iPhone's display, indicating it has restarted. Then you 
>>> should be back in business.
>>> 
>>> Of course, there is no VoiceOver feedback so try holding for a count of 5 
>>> or 6 seconds, i.e. one 1000, 2 1000, etc.
>>> Then waiting for a minute or two for the restart.
>>> 
>>> Richard
>>> 
>>>  Live long and prosper
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Check out my web site at:
>>> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.turner42.com
>>> mp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Ccc9bc0c4676549069a4308d761f6cda1%7C84df9e7fe9f640
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>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>>> kelby carlson
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 5:31 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Can't Reboot iPhone
>>> 
>>> A quick press accomplishes nothing. They have to be held down.
>>> 
 On Nov 5, 2019, at 3:53 AM, Dave  wrote:
 
 You do a quick press, of the volume buttons, and don't hold them for 
 long, as that will lower your volume.
 
 Dave.
 
 
 -Original Message- From: kelby carlson
 Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2019 12:11 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Can't Reboot iPhone
 
 I know you do because I have had an iPhone 7 for 3 years. The problem is 
 that pressing that combination now also turns the volume all the way down.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Nov 4, 2019, at 7:02 PM, Anna Dresner  wrote:
> 
> Hi Kelby,
> 
> I think you press Volume Down and the side button together to do a reset 
> on the iPHone 7, but I would suggest checking the user guide to be sure 
> or Googling it.
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
> 
> 
> 
>>> On Nov 4, 2019, at 5:27 PM, kelby carlson  
>>> wrote:
>> No, pressing that combination of buttons does not work on the iPhone 7.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Nov 4, 2019, at 5:39 PM, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
>>> On the iPhone 7, I believe you press and hold the Home and
>>> Power/Side buttons for 10 to 15 seconds. This will reboot and reset the 
>>> phone.
>>> You will not lose any data or apps from doing this.
>>> 
>>> Wayne
>>> 
 On 11/4/19, kelby carlson  wrote:
 I am talking about actually force rebooting the phone, not just
 powering it off.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
>> On Nov 4, 2019, at 5:12 PM, Anna Dresner  wrote:
> Then you can just hold the side button to bring up the screen
> where you can power down the phone.
> 
> 
>> On Nov 4, 2019, at 4:04 PM, kelby carlson
>> 
>> wrote:
>> 

Re: Can't Reboot iPhone

[Dave]

That old way, also, still works on my iPhone 8.

Dave.


-Original Message- 
From: Gordon

Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2019 2:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Can't Reboot iPhone

When I had my 7, I would hold down home and side button for about 13
seconds. This worked for me even though the home button is a solid state
home button. But I thought that the previous method mentioned would work
for the 7 as well. If not, definitely try holding home and side button
for around 13 seconds.

On 11/5/2019 7:59 AM, Richard Turner wrote:

Gordan,
Have you done that with an iPhone 7?
That is the steps for an iPhone 8 and later.

Kelby,
Have you talked with Apple about this?
Do you have Sounds set to change with buttons?

I don't have access to an iPhone 7 to test.

For most purposes, a power off and power on will accomplish what you need. 
I'm not exactly sure what a reboot does that a shut down and restart 
doesn't.





Richard

 Live long and prosper


Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Gordon

Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 5:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Can't Reboot iPhone

I've read where that will call emergency services if held down for a few 
seconds without release. the way I've always done a reboot is to press 
volume down and release it quickly, then press volume up and release 
quickly. then hold down the side button for about 13 seconds or so.


On 11/5/2019 7:38 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
According to CNet, you are right, but maybe you are holding them down too 
long?

This is what I found:
You now need to hold the wake and volume down buttons at the same
time. After a few seconds of holding in the buttons, the Apple logo will 
appear on your iPhone's display, indicating it has restarted. Then you 
should be back in business.


Of course, there is no VoiceOver feedback so try holding for a count of 5 
or 6 seconds, i.e. one 1000, 2 1000, etc.

Then waiting for a minute or two for the restart.

Richard

 Live long and prosper


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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
kelby carlson
Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 5:31 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Can't Reboot iPhone

A quick press accomplishes nothing. They have to be held down.


On Nov 5, 2019, at 3:53 AM, Dave  wrote:

You do a quick press, of the volume buttons, and don't hold them for 
long, as that will lower your volume.


Dave.


-Original Message- From: kelby carlson
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2019 12:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Can't Reboot iPhone

I know you do because I have had an iPhone 7 for 3 years. The problem is 
that pressing that combination now also turns the volume all the way 
down.


Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 4, 2019, at 7:02 PM, Anna Dresner  wrote:

Hi Kelby,

I think you press Volume Down and the side button together to do a 
reset on the iPHone 7, but I would suggest checking the user guide to 
be sure or Googling it.


Best,
Anna




On Nov 4, 2019, at 5:27 PM, kelby carlson  
wrote:
No, pressing that combination of buttons does not work on the iPhone 
7.


Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 4, 2019, at 5:39 PM, Wayne Merritt  
wrote:

On the iPhone 7, I believe you press and hold the Home and
Power/Side buttons for 10 to 15 seconds. This will reboot and reset 
the phone.

You will not lose any data or apps from doing this.

Wayne


On 11/4/19, kelby carlson  wrote:
I am talking about actually force rebooting the phone, not just
powering it off.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 4, 2019, at 5:12 PM, Anna Dresner  
wrote:

Then you can just hold the side button to bring up the screen
where you can power down the phone.



On Nov 4, 2019, at 4:04 PM, kelby carlson

wrote:

I'm not, I should have specified I'm using a 7.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 4, 2019, at 4:44 PM, Anna Dresner  
wrote:

Hi Kelby,

I'm assuming you're using an iPhone 8 or later. You can bring
up the screen where you turn off the phone by tapping and
releasing Volume Up, then tapping and releasing Volume Down,
then holding the side button for a few seconds. If you do
these same gestures but hold the side button for 10 seconds, the 
phone resets.


Best,
Anna





On Nov 4, 2019, at 3:38 PM, kelby carlson

wrote:

After updating to iOS 13, I now have an issue force
restarting my phone. Namely that when I hold down the lock
button and the volume down button, VO's volume is turned all the 
way down.

Obviously this is not good if you are trying to restart the
phone. Is there a way around this?

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Can't Reboot iPhone

[Gordon]

When I had my 7, I would hold down home and side button for about 13 
seconds. This worked for me even though the home button is a solid state 
home button. But I thought that the previous method mentioned would work 
for the 7 as well. If not, definitely try holding home and side button 
for around 13 seconds.


On 11/5/2019 7:59 AM, Richard Turner wrote:

Gordan,
Have you done that with an iPhone 7?
That is the steps for an iPhone 8 and later.

Kelby,
Have you talked with Apple about this?
Do you have Sounds set to change with buttons?

I don't have access to an iPhone 7 to test.

For most purposes, a power off and power on will accomplish what you need.  I'm 
not exactly sure what a reboot does that a shut down and restart doesn't.




Richard

 Live long and prosper


Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Gordon
Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 5:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Can't Reboot iPhone

I've read where that will call emergency services if held down for a few 
seconds without release. the way I've always done a reboot is to press volume 
down and release it quickly, then press volume up and release quickly. then 
hold down the side button for about 13 seconds or so.

On 11/5/2019 7:38 AM, Richard Turner wrote:

According to CNet, you are right, but maybe you are holding them down too long?
This is what I found:
You now need to hold the wake and volume down buttons at the same
time. After a few seconds of holding in the buttons, the Apple logo will appear 
on your iPhone's display, indicating it has restarted. Then you should be back 
in business.

Of course, there is no VoiceOver feedback so try holding for a count of 5 or 6 
seconds, i.e. one 1000, 2 1000, etc.
Then waiting for a minute or two for the restart.

Richard

 Live long and prosper


Check out my web site at:
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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
kelby carlson
Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 5:31 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Can't Reboot iPhone

A quick press accomplishes nothing. They have to be held down.


On Nov 5, 2019, at 3:53 AM, Dave  wrote:

You do a quick press, of the volume buttons, and don't hold them for long, as 
that will lower your volume.

Dave.


-Original Message- From: kelby carlson
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2019 12:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Can't Reboot iPhone

I know you do because I have had an iPhone 7 for 3 years. The problem is that 
pressing that combination now also turns the volume all the way down.

Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 4, 2019, at 7:02 PM, Anna Dresner  wrote:

Hi Kelby,

I think you press Volume Down and the side button together to do a reset on the 
iPHone 7, but I would suggest checking the user guide to be sure or Googling it.

Best,
Anna





On Nov 4, 2019, at 5:27 PM, kelby carlson  wrote:

No, pressing that combination of buttons does not work on the iPhone 7.

Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 4, 2019, at 5:39 PM, Wayne Merritt  wrote:

On the iPhone 7, I believe you press and hold the Home and
Power/Side buttons for 10 to 15 seconds. This will reboot and reset the phone.
You will not lose any data or apps from doing this.

Wayne


On 11/4/19, kelby carlson  wrote:
I am talking about actually force rebooting the phone, not just
powering it off.

Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 4, 2019, at 5:12 PM, Anna Dresner  wrote:

Then you can just hold the side button to bring up the screen
where you can power down the phone.



On Nov 4, 2019, at 4:04 PM, kelby carlson

wrote:

I'm not, I should have specified I'm using a 7.

Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 4, 2019, at 4:44 PM, Anna Dresner  wrote:

Hi Kelby,

I'm assuming you're using an iPhone 8 or later. You can bring
up the screen where you turn off the phone by tapping and
releasing Volume Up, then tapping and releasing Volume Down,
then holding the side button for a few seconds. If you do
these same gestures but hold the side button for 10 seconds, the phone resets.

Best,
Anna





On Nov 4, 2019, at 3:38 PM, kelby carlson

wrote:

After updating to iOS 13, I now have an issue force
restarting my phone. Namely that when I hold down the lock
button and the volume down button, VO's volume is turned all the way down.
Obviously this is not good if you are trying to restart the
phone. Is there a way around this?

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Can't Reboot iPhone

[Dave]

Why don't you give apple accessibility a call.

-Original Message- 
From: Richard Turner

Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2019 2:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Can't Reboot iPhone

Well, this sure sounds like a bug for iPhone 7 users.
I'd report it to Apple Accessibility and even to the Apple Feedback form at: 
www.apple.com/feedback




Richard

 Live long and prosper


Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of kelby 
carlson

Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 6:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Can't Reboot iPhone

That did not work either.


On Nov 5, 2019, at 9:07 AM, Richard Turner  
wrote:


Try turning off change with buttons and see if it makes a difference.
You can turn it back on if it doesn't.


Richard

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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
kelby carlson
Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 6:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Can't Reboot iPhone

Richard,

Yes, I do. I don't think turning that off would change anything, though—it 
would just make VoiceOver's volume turn down but not the zounds.


On Nov 5, 2019, at 8:59 AM, Richard Turner  
wrote:


Gordan,
Have you done that with an iPhone 7?
That is the steps for an iPhone 8 and later.

Kelby,
Have you talked with Apple about this?
Do you have Sounds set to change with buttons?

I don't have access to an iPhone 7 to test.

For most purposes, a power off and power on will accomplish what you 
need.  I'm not exactly sure what a reboot does that a shut down and 
restart doesn't.





Richard

 Live long and prosper


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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
Of Gordon
Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 5:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Can't Reboot iPhone

I've read where that will call emergency services if held down for a few 
seconds without release. the way I've always done a reboot is to press 
volume down and release it quickly, then press volume up and release 
quickly. then hold down the side button for about 13 seconds or so.



On 11/5/2019 7:38 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
According to CNet, you are right, but maybe you are holding them down 
too long?

This is what I found:
You now need to hold the wake and volume down buttons at the same
time. After a few seconds of holding in the buttons, the Apple logo will 
appear on your iPhone's display, indicating it has restarted. Then you 
should be back in business.


Of course, there is no VoiceOver feedback so try holding for a count of 
5 or 6 seconds, i.e. one 1000, 2 1000, etc.

Then waiting for a minute or two for the restart.

Richard

 Live long and prosper


Check out my web site at:
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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
Of kelby carlson
Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 5:31 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Can't Reboot iPhone

A quick press accomplishes nothing. They have to be held down.


On Nov 5, 2019, at 3:53 AM, Dave  wrote:


You do a quick press, of the volume buttons, and don't hold them for 
long, as that will lower your volume.


Dave.


-Original Message- From: kelby carlson
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2019 12:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Can't Reboot iPhone

I know you do because I have had an iPhone 7 for 3 years. The problem 
is that pressing that combination now also turns the volume all the way 
down.


Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 4, 2019, at 7:02 PM, Anna Dresner  wrote:

Hi Kelby,

I think you press Volume Down and the side button together to do a 
reset on the iPHone 7, but I would suggest checking the user guide to 
be sure or Googling it.


Best,
Anna




On Nov 4, 2019, at 5:27 PM, kelby carlson  
wrote:
No, pressing that combination of buttons does not work on the iPhone 
7.


Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 4, 2019, at 5:39 PM, Wayne Merritt  
wrote:

On the iPhone 7, I believe you press and hold the Home and
Power/Side buttons for 10 to 15 seconds. This will reboot and reset 
the phone.

You will not lose any data or apps from doing this.

Wayne


On 

RE: Can't Reboot iPhone

[Richard Turner]

Well, this sure sounds like a bug for iPhone 7 users.
I'd report it to Apple Accessibility and even to the Apple Feedback form at: 
www.apple.com/feedback



Richard

 Live long and prosper


Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of kelby 
carlson
Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 6:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Can't Reboot iPhone

That did not work either.


> On Nov 5, 2019, at 9:07 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Try turning off change with buttons and see if it makes a difference.
> You can turn it back on if it doesn't.
> 
> 
> Richard
> 
>  Live long and prosper
> 
> 
> Check out my web site at: 
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> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> kelby carlson
> Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 6:03 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Can't Reboot iPhone
> 
> Richard,
> 
> Yes, I do. I don't think turning that off would change anything, though—it 
> would just make VoiceOver's volume turn down but not the zounds.
> 
>> On Nov 5, 2019, at 8:59 AM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Gordan,
>> Have you done that with an iPhone 7?
>> That is the steps for an iPhone 8 and later.
>> 
>> Kelby,
>> Have you talked with Apple about this?
>> Do you have Sounds set to change with buttons?
>> 
>> I don't have access to an iPhone 7 to test.
>> 
>> For most purposes, a power off and power on will accomplish what you need.  
>> I'm not exactly sure what a reboot does that a shut down and restart doesn't.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
>>  Live long and prosper
>> 
>> 
>> Check out my web site at: 
>> https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.turner42.com;
>> a
>> mp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Ca6b411a847ec4d0781d308d761f8db0c%7C84df9e7fe9f64
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>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Gordon
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 5:48 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Can't Reboot iPhone
>> 
>> I've read where that will call emergency services if held down for a few 
>> seconds without release. the way I've always done a reboot is to press 
>> volume down and release it quickly, then press volume up and release 
>> quickly. then hold down the side button for about 13 seconds or so.
>> 
 On 11/5/2019 7:38 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
>>> According to CNet, you are right, but maybe you are holding them down too 
>>> long?
>>> This is what I found:
>>> You now need to hold the wake and volume down buttons at the same 
>>> time. After a few seconds of holding in the buttons, the Apple logo will 
>>> appear on your iPhone's display, indicating it has restarted. Then you 
>>> should be back in business.
>>> 
>>> Of course, there is no VoiceOver feedback so try holding for a count of 5 
>>> or 6 seconds, i.e. one 1000, 2 1000, etc.
>>> Then waiting for a minute or two for the restart.
>>> 
>>> Richard
>>> 
>>>  Live long and prosper
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Check out my web site at: 
>>> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.turner42.com
>>> &
>>> a
>>> mp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Ccc9bc0c4676549069a4308d761f6cda1%7C84df9e7fe9f6
>>> 4
>>> 0
>>> afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637085584942720962sdata=W6Z%2BQoqP
>>> z
>>> w
>>> c%2BKtTki5EjBTAOZ64O%2FIC9FLSujjUP4G4%3Dreserved=0
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>>> Of kelby carlson
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 5:31 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Can't Reboot iPhone
>>> 
>>> A quick press accomplishes nothing. They have to be held down.
>>> 
> On Nov 5, 2019, at 3:53 AM, Dave  wrote:
 
 You do a quick press, of the volume buttons, and don't hold them for 
 long, as that will lower your volume.
 
 Dave.
 
 
 -Original Message- From: kelby carlson
 Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2019 12:11 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Can't Reboot iPhone
 
 I know you do because I have had an iPhone 7 for 3 years. The problem is 
 that pressing that combination now also turns the volume all the way down.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Nov 4, 2019, at 7:02 PM, Anna Dresner  wrote:
> 
> Hi Kelby,
> 
> I think you press Volume Down and the side button together to do a reset 
> on the iPHone 7, but I would suggest checking the user guide to be sure 
> or Googling it.
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
> 
> 
> 
>>> On Nov 4, 2019, at 5:27 PM, kelby carlson  
>>> wrote:
>> No, pressing that 

Re: Can't Reboot iPhone

[kelby carlson]

That did not work either.


> On Nov 5, 2019, at 9:07 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Try turning off change with buttons and see if it makes a difference.
> You can turn it back on if it doesn't.
> 
> 
> Richard
> 
>  Live long and prosper
> 
> 
> Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of kelby 
> carlson
> Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 6:03 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Can't Reboot iPhone
> 
> Richard,
> 
> Yes, I do. I don't think turning that off would change anything, though—it 
> would just make VoiceOver's volume turn down but not the zounds.
> 
>> On Nov 5, 2019, at 8:59 AM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Gordan,
>> Have you done that with an iPhone 7?
>> That is the steps for an iPhone 8 and later.
>> 
>> Kelby,
>> Have you talked with Apple about this?
>> Do you have Sounds set to change with buttons?
>> 
>> I don't have access to an iPhone 7 to test.
>> 
>> For most purposes, a power off and power on will accomplish what you need.  
>> I'm not exactly sure what a reboot does that a shut down and restart doesn't.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
>>  Live long and prosper
>> 
>> 
>> Check out my web site at: 
>> https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.turner42.com
>> mp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Ca6b411a847ec4d0781d308d761f8db0c%7C84df9e7fe9f640
>> afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637085593761917993sdata=i%2BRIaKOeHK
>> P8jUTxrouHhm%2FyPXbvDtob0OOT8Oek7dU%3Dreserved=0
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Gordon
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 5:48 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Can't Reboot iPhone
>> 
>> I've read where that will call emergency services if held down for a few 
>> seconds without release. the way I've always done a reboot is to press 
>> volume down and release it quickly, then press volume up and release 
>> quickly. then hold down the side button for about 13 seconds or so.
>> 
 On 11/5/2019 7:38 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
>>> According to CNet, you are right, but maybe you are holding them down too 
>>> long?
>>> This is what I found:
>>> You now need to hold the wake and volume down buttons at the same 
>>> time. After a few seconds of holding in the buttons, the Apple logo will 
>>> appear on your iPhone's display, indicating it has restarted. Then you 
>>> should be back in business.
>>> 
>>> Of course, there is no VoiceOver feedback so try holding for a count of 5 
>>> or 6 seconds, i.e. one 1000, 2 1000, etc.
>>> Then waiting for a minute or two for the restart.
>>> 
>>> Richard
>>> 
>>>  Live long and prosper
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Check out my web site at: 
>>> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.turner42.com;
>>> a
>>> mp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Ccc9bc0c4676549069a4308d761f6cda1%7C84df9e7fe9f64
>>> 0 
>>> afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637085584942720962sdata=W6Z%2BQoqPz
>>> w
>>> c%2BKtTki5EjBTAOZ64O%2FIC9FLSujjUP4G4%3Dreserved=0
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>>> Of kelby carlson
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 5:31 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Can't Reboot iPhone
>>> 
>>> A quick press accomplishes nothing. They have to be held down.
>>> 
> On Nov 5, 2019, at 3:53 AM, Dave  wrote:
 
 You do a quick press, of the volume buttons, and don't hold them for 
 long, as that will lower your volume.
 
 Dave.
 
 
 -Original Message- From: kelby carlson
 Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2019 12:11 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Can't Reboot iPhone
 
 I know you do because I have had an iPhone 7 for 3 years. The problem is 
 that pressing that combination now also turns the volume all the way down.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Nov 4, 2019, at 7:02 PM, Anna Dresner  wrote:
> 
> Hi Kelby,
> 
> I think you press Volume Down and the side button together to do a reset 
> on the iPHone 7, but I would suggest checking the user guide to be sure 
> or Googling it.
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
> 
> 
> 
>>> On Nov 4, 2019, at 5:27 PM, kelby carlson  
>>> wrote:
>> No, pressing that combination of buttons does not work on the iPhone 7.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Nov 4, 2019, at 5:39 PM, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
>>> On the iPhone 7, I believe you press and hold the Home and 
>>> Power/Side buttons for 10 to 15 seconds. This will reboot and reset the 
>>> phone.
>>> You will not lose any data or apps from doing this.
>>> 
>>> Wayne
>>> 
 On 11/4/19, kelby carlson  wrote:
 I am talking about actually force rebooting the phone, not just 
 powering it off.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
>> On Nov 4, 2019, at 5:12 PM, Anna Dresner  wrote:
> Then you can just hold the 

RE: Can't Reboot iPhone

[Richard Turner]

Try turning off change with buttons and see if it makes a difference.
You can turn it back on if it doesn't.


Richard

 Live long and prosper


Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of kelby 
carlson
Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 6:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Can't Reboot iPhone

Richard,

Yes, I do. I don't think turning that off would change anything, though—it 
would just make VoiceOver's volume turn down but not the zounds.

> On Nov 5, 2019, at 8:59 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Gordan,
> Have you done that with an iPhone 7?
> That is the steps for an iPhone 8 and later.
> 
> Kelby,
> Have you talked with Apple about this?
> Do you have Sounds set to change with buttons?
> 
> I don't have access to an iPhone 7 to test.
> 
> For most purposes, a power off and power on will accomplish what you need.  
> I'm not exactly sure what a reboot does that a shut down and restart doesn't.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> 
>  Live long and prosper
> 
> 
> Check out my web site at: 
> https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.turner42.com
> mp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Ca6b411a847ec4d0781d308d761f8db0c%7C84df9e7fe9f640
> afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637085593761917993sdata=i%2BRIaKOeHK
> P8jUTxrouHhm%2FyPXbvDtob0OOT8Oek7dU%3Dreserved=0
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Gordon
> Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 5:48 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Can't Reboot iPhone
> 
> I've read where that will call emergency services if held down for a few 
> seconds without release. the way I've always done a reboot is to press volume 
> down and release it quickly, then press volume up and release quickly. then 
> hold down the side button for about 13 seconds or so.
> 
>> On 11/5/2019 7:38 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
>> According to CNet, you are right, but maybe you are holding them down too 
>> long?
>> This is what I found:
>> You now need to hold the wake and volume down buttons at the same 
>> time. After a few seconds of holding in the buttons, the Apple logo will 
>> appear on your iPhone's display, indicating it has restarted. Then you 
>> should be back in business.
>> 
>> Of course, there is no VoiceOver feedback so try holding for a count of 5 or 
>> 6 seconds, i.e. one 1000, 2 1000, etc.
>> Then waiting for a minute or two for the restart.
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
>>  Live long and prosper
>> 
>> 
>> Check out my web site at: 
>> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.turner42.com;
>> a
>> mp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Ccc9bc0c4676549069a4308d761f6cda1%7C84df9e7fe9f64
>> 0 
>> afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637085584942720962sdata=W6Z%2BQoqPz
>> w
>> c%2BKtTki5EjBTAOZ64O%2FIC9FLSujjUP4G4%3Dreserved=0
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of kelby carlson
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 5:31 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Can't Reboot iPhone
>> 
>> A quick press accomplishes nothing. They have to be held down.
>> 
 On Nov 5, 2019, at 3:53 AM, Dave  wrote:
>>> 
>>> You do a quick press, of the volume buttons, and don't hold them for long, 
>>> as that will lower your volume.
>>> 
>>> Dave.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message- From: kelby carlson
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2019 12:11 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Can't Reboot iPhone
>>> 
>>> I know you do because I have had an iPhone 7 for 3 years. The problem is 
>>> that pressing that combination now also turns the volume all the way down.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Nov 4, 2019, at 7:02 PM, Anna Dresner  wrote:
 
 Hi Kelby,
 
 I think you press Volume Down and the side button together to do a reset 
 on the iPHone 7, but I would suggest checking the user guide to be sure or 
 Googling it.
 
 Best,
 Anna
 
 
 
 
>> On Nov 4, 2019, at 5:27 PM, kelby carlson  wrote:
> No, pressing that combination of buttons does not work on the iPhone 7.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Nov 4, 2019, at 5:39 PM, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
>> On the iPhone 7, I believe you press and hold the Home and 
>> Power/Side buttons for 10 to 15 seconds. This will reboot and reset the 
>> phone.
>> You will not lose any data or apps from doing this.
>> 
>> Wayne
>> 
>>> On 11/4/19, kelby carlson  wrote:
>>> I am talking about actually force rebooting the phone, not just 
>>> powering it off.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Nov 4, 2019, at 5:12 PM, Anna Dresner  wrote:
 Then you can just hold the side button to bring up the screen 
 where you can power down the phone.
 
 
> On Nov 4, 2019, at 4:04 PM, kelby carlson 
> 
> wrote:
> 
> I'm not, I should have specified I'm using a 7.
> 
> Sent 

Re: Can't Reboot iPhone

[kelby carlson]

Richard,

Yes, I do. I don't think turning that off would change anything, though—it 
would just make VoiceOver's volume turn down but not the zounds.

> On Nov 5, 2019, at 8:59 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Gordan,
> Have you done that with an iPhone 7?
> That is the steps for an iPhone 8 and later.
> 
> Kelby,
> Have you talked with Apple about this?
> Do you have Sounds set to change with buttons?
> 
> I don't have access to an iPhone 7 to test.
> 
> For most purposes, a power off and power on will accomplish what you need.  
> I'm not exactly sure what a reboot does that a shut down and restart doesn't.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> 
>  Live long and prosper
> 
> 
> Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Gordon
> Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 5:48 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Can't Reboot iPhone
> 
> I've read where that will call emergency services if held down for a few 
> seconds without release. the way I've always done a reboot is to press volume 
> down and release it quickly, then press volume up and release quickly. then 
> hold down the side button for about 13 seconds or so.
> 
>> On 11/5/2019 7:38 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
>> According to CNet, you are right, but maybe you are holding them down too 
>> long?
>> This is what I found:
>> You now need to hold the wake and volume down buttons at the same 
>> time. After a few seconds of holding in the buttons, the Apple logo will 
>> appear on your iPhone's display, indicating it has restarted. Then you 
>> should be back in business.
>> 
>> Of course, there is no VoiceOver feedback so try holding for a count of 5 or 
>> 6 seconds, i.e. one 1000, 2 1000, etc.
>> Then waiting for a minute or two for the restart.
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
>>  Live long and prosper
>> 
>> 
>> Check out my web site at: 
>> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.turner42.com
>> mp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Ccc9bc0c4676549069a4308d761f6cda1%7C84df9e7fe9f640
>> afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637085584942720962sdata=W6Z%2BQoqPzw
>> c%2BKtTki5EjBTAOZ64O%2FIC9FLSujjUP4G4%3Dreserved=0
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> kelby carlson
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 5:31 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Can't Reboot iPhone
>> 
>> A quick press accomplishes nothing. They have to be held down.
>> 
 On Nov 5, 2019, at 3:53 AM, Dave  wrote:
>>> 
>>> You do a quick press, of the volume buttons, and don't hold them for long, 
>>> as that will lower your volume.
>>> 
>>> Dave.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message- From: kelby carlson
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2019 12:11 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Can't Reboot iPhone
>>> 
>>> I know you do because I have had an iPhone 7 for 3 years. The problem is 
>>> that pressing that combination now also turns the volume all the way down.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Nov 4, 2019, at 7:02 PM, Anna Dresner  wrote:
 
 Hi Kelby,
 
 I think you press Volume Down and the side button together to do a reset 
 on the iPHone 7, but I would suggest checking the user guide to be sure or 
 Googling it.
 
 Best,
 Anna
 
 
 
 
>> On Nov 4, 2019, at 5:27 PM, kelby carlson  wrote:
> No, pressing that combination of buttons does not work on the iPhone 7.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Nov 4, 2019, at 5:39 PM, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
>> On the iPhone 7, I believe you press and hold the Home and 
>> Power/Side buttons for 10 to 15 seconds. This will reboot and reset the 
>> phone.
>> You will not lose any data or apps from doing this.
>> 
>> Wayne
>> 
>>> On 11/4/19, kelby carlson  wrote:
>>> I am talking about actually force rebooting the phone, not just 
>>> powering it off.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Nov 4, 2019, at 5:12 PM, Anna Dresner  wrote:
 Then you can just hold the side button to bring up the screen 
 where you can power down the phone.
 
 
> On Nov 4, 2019, at 4:04 PM, kelby carlson 
> 
> wrote:
> 
> I'm not, I should have specified I'm using a 7.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Nov 4, 2019, at 4:44 PM, Anna Dresner  wrote:
>> Hi Kelby,
>> 
>> I'm assuming you're using an iPhone 8 or later. You can bring 
>> up the screen where you turn off the phone by tapping and 
>> releasing Volume Up, then tapping and releasing Volume Down, 
>> then holding the side button for a few seconds. If you do 
>> these same gestures but hold the side button for 10 seconds, the 
>> phone resets.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Anna
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 4, 2019, at 3:38 PM, 

Re: Can't Reboot iPhone

[kelby carlson]

That is not how you do it on the iPhone 7. 

> On Nov 5, 2019, at 8:48 AM, Gordon  wrote:
> 
> I've read where that will call emergency services if held down for a few 
> seconds without release. the way I've always done a reboot is to press volume 
> down and release it quickly, then press volume up and release quickly. then 
> hold down the side button for about 13 seconds or so.
> 
>> On 11/5/2019 7:38 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
>> According to CNet, you are right, but maybe you are holding them down too 
>> long?
>> This is what I found:
>> You now need to hold the wake and volume down buttons at the same time. 
>> After a few seconds of holding in the buttons, the Apple logo will appear on 
>> your iPhone's display,
>> indicating it has restarted. Then you should be back in business.
>> 
>> Of course, there is no VoiceOver feedback so try holding for a count of 5 or 
>> 6 seconds, i.e. one 1000, 2 1000, etc.
>> Then waiting for a minute or two for the restart.
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
>>  Live long and prosper
>> 
>> 
>> Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of kelby 
>> carlson
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 5:31 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Can't Reboot iPhone
>> 
>> A quick press accomplishes nothing. They have to be held down.
>> 
 On Nov 5, 2019, at 3:53 AM, Dave  wrote:
>>> 
>>> You do a quick press, of the volume buttons, and don't hold them for long, 
>>> as that will lower your volume.
>>> 
>>> Dave.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message- From: kelby carlson
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2019 12:11 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Can't Reboot iPhone
>>> 
>>> I know you do because I have had an iPhone 7 for 3 years. The problem is 
>>> that pressing that combination now also turns the volume all the way down.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Nov 4, 2019, at 7:02 PM, Anna Dresner  wrote:
 
 Hi Kelby,
 
 I think you press Volume Down and the side button together to do a reset 
 on the iPHone 7, but I would suggest checking the user guide to be sure or 
 Googling it.
 
 Best,
 Anna
 
 
 
 
>> On Nov 4, 2019, at 5:27 PM, kelby carlson  wrote:
> No, pressing that combination of buttons does not work on the iPhone 7.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Nov 4, 2019, at 5:39 PM, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
>> On the iPhone 7, I believe you press and hold the Home and
>> Power/Side buttons for 10 to 15 seconds. This will reboot and reset the 
>> phone.
>> You will not lose any data or apps from doing this.
>> 
>> Wayne
>> 
>>> On 11/4/19, kelby carlson  wrote:
>>> I am talking about actually force rebooting the phone, not just
>>> powering it off.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Nov 4, 2019, at 5:12 PM, Anna Dresner  wrote:
 Then you can just hold the side button to bring up the screen
 where you can power down the phone.
 
 
> On Nov 4, 2019, at 4:04 PM, kelby carlson
> 
> wrote:
> 
> I'm not, I should have specified I'm using a 7.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Nov 4, 2019, at 4:44 PM, Anna Dresner  wrote:
>> Hi Kelby,
>> 
>> I'm assuming you're using an iPhone 8 or later. You can bring
>> up the screen where you turn off the phone by tapping and
>> releasing Volume Up, then tapping and releasing Volume Down,
>> then holding the side button for a few seconds. If you do these
>> same gestures but hold the side button for 10 seconds, the phone 
>> resets.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Anna
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 4, 2019, at 3:38 PM, kelby carlson
>>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> After updating to iOS 13, I now have an issue force restarting
>>> my phone. Namely that when I hold down the lock button and the
>>> volume down button, VO's volume is turned all the way down.
>>> Obviously this is not good if you are trying to restart the
>>> phone. Is there a way around this?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
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RE: Can't Reboot iPhone

[Richard Turner]

Gordan,
Have you done that with an iPhone 7?
That is the steps for an iPhone 8 and later.

Kelby,
Have you talked with Apple about this?
Do you have Sounds set to change with buttons?

I don't have access to an iPhone 7 to test.

For most purposes, a power off and power on will accomplish what you need.  I'm 
not exactly sure what a reboot does that a shut down and restart doesn't.




Richard

 Live long and prosper


Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Gordon
Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 5:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Can't Reboot iPhone

I've read where that will call emergency services if held down for a few 
seconds without release. the way I've always done a reboot is to press volume 
down and release it quickly, then press volume up and release quickly. then 
hold down the side button for about 13 seconds or so.

On 11/5/2019 7:38 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
> According to CNet, you are right, but maybe you are holding them down too 
> long?
> This is what I found:
> You now need to hold the wake and volume down buttons at the same 
> time. After a few seconds of holding in the buttons, the Apple logo will 
> appear on your iPhone's display, indicating it has restarted. Then you should 
> be back in business.
>
> Of course, there is no VoiceOver feedback so try holding for a count of 5 or 
> 6 seconds, i.e. one 1000, 2 1000, etc.
> Then waiting for a minute or two for the restart.
>
> Richard
>
>  Live long and prosper
>
>
> Check out my web site at: 
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> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> kelby carlson
> Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 5:31 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Can't Reboot iPhone
>
> A quick press accomplishes nothing. They have to be held down.
>
>> On Nov 5, 2019, at 3:53 AM, Dave  wrote:
>>
>> You do a quick press, of the volume buttons, and don't hold them for long, 
>> as that will lower your volume.
>>
>> Dave.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message- From: kelby carlson
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2019 12:11 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Can't Reboot iPhone
>>
>> I know you do because I have had an iPhone 7 for 3 years. The problem is 
>> that pressing that combination now also turns the volume all the way down.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Nov 4, 2019, at 7:02 PM, Anna Dresner  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Kelby,
>>>
>>> I think you press Volume Down and the side button together to do a reset on 
>>> the iPHone 7, but I would suggest checking the user guide to be sure or 
>>> Googling it.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Anna
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
> On Nov 4, 2019, at 5:27 PM, kelby carlson  wrote:
 No, pressing that combination of buttons does not work on the iPhone 7.

 Sent from my iPhone

>> On Nov 4, 2019, at 5:39 PM, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
> On the iPhone 7, I believe you press and hold the Home and 
> Power/Side buttons for 10 to 15 seconds. This will reboot and reset the 
> phone.
> You will not lose any data or apps from doing this.
>
> Wayne
>
>> On 11/4/19, kelby carlson  wrote:
>> I am talking about actually force rebooting the phone, not just 
>> powering it off.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
 On Nov 4, 2019, at 5:12 PM, Anna Dresner  wrote:
>>> Then you can just hold the side button to bring up the screen 
>>> where you can power down the phone.
>>>
>>>
 On Nov 4, 2019, at 4:04 PM, kelby carlson 
 
 wrote:

 I'm not, I should have specified I'm using a 7.

 Sent from my iPhone

>> On Nov 4, 2019, at 4:44 PM, Anna Dresner  wrote:
> Hi Kelby,
>
> I'm assuming you're using an iPhone 8 or later. You can bring 
> up the screen where you turn off the phone by tapping and 
> releasing Volume Up, then tapping and releasing Volume Down, 
> then holding the side button for a few seconds. If you do 
> these same gestures but hold the side button for 10 seconds, the 
> phone resets.
>
> Best,
> Anna
>
>
>
>
>> On Nov 4, 2019, at 3:38 PM, kelby carlson 
>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> After updating to iOS 13, I now have an issue force 
>> restarting my phone. Namely that when I hold down the lock 
>> button and the volume down button, VO's volume is turned all the way 
>> down.
>> Obviously this is not good if you are trying to restart the 
>> phone. Is there a way around this?
>>
>> Sent 

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Re: Can't Reboot iPhone

[Gordon]

I've read where that will call emergency services if held down for a few 
seconds without release. the way I've always done a reboot is to press 
volume down and release it quickly, then press volume up and release 
quickly. then hold down the side button for about 13 seconds or so.


On 11/5/2019 7:38 AM, Richard Turner wrote:

According to CNet, you are right, but maybe you are holding them down too long?
This is what I found:
You now need to hold the wake and volume down buttons at the same time. After a 
few seconds of holding in the buttons, the Apple logo will appear on your 
iPhone's display,
indicating it has restarted. Then you should be back in business.

Of course, there is no VoiceOver feedback so try holding for a count of 5 or 6 
seconds, i.e. one 1000, 2 1000, etc.
Then waiting for a minute or two for the restart.

Richard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of kelby 
carlson
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Can't Reboot iPhone

A quick press accomplishes nothing. They have to be held down.


On Nov 5, 2019, at 3:53 AM, Dave  wrote:

You do a quick press, of the volume buttons, and don't hold them for long, as 
that will lower your volume.

Dave.


-Original Message- From: kelby carlson
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2019 12:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Can't Reboot iPhone

I know you do because I have had an iPhone 7 for 3 years. The problem is that 
pressing that combination now also turns the volume all the way down.

Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 4, 2019, at 7:02 PM, Anna Dresner  wrote:

Hi Kelby,

I think you press Volume Down and the side button together to do a reset on the 
iPHone 7, but I would suggest checking the user guide to be sure or Googling it.

Best,
Anna





On Nov 4, 2019, at 5:27 PM, kelby carlson  wrote:

No, pressing that combination of buttons does not work on the iPhone 7.

Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 4, 2019, at 5:39 PM, Wayne Merritt  wrote:

On the iPhone 7, I believe you press and hold the Home and
Power/Side buttons for 10 to 15 seconds. This will reboot and reset the phone.
You will not lose any data or apps from doing this.

Wayne


On 11/4/19, kelby carlson  wrote:
I am talking about actually force rebooting the phone, not just
powering it off.

Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 4, 2019, at 5:12 PM, Anna Dresner  wrote:

Then you can just hold the side button to bring up the screen
where you can power down the phone.



On Nov 4, 2019, at 4:04 PM, kelby carlson

wrote:

I'm not, I should have specified I'm using a 7.

Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 4, 2019, at 4:44 PM, Anna Dresner  wrote:

Hi Kelby,

I'm assuming you're using an iPhone 8 or later. You can bring
up the screen where you turn off the phone by tapping and
releasing Volume Up, then tapping and releasing Volume Down,
then holding the side button for a few seconds. If you do these
same gestures but hold the side button for 10 seconds, the phone resets.

Best,
Anna





On Nov 4, 2019, at 3:38 PM, kelby carlson

wrote:

After updating to iOS 13, I now have an issue force restarting
my phone. Namely that when I hold down the lock button and the
volume down button, VO's volume is turned all the way down.
Obviously this is not good if you are trying to restart the
phone. Is there a way around this?

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Can't Reboot iPhone

[kelby carlson]

I know how to reboot the phone. Before, however, holding down the volume button 
did not decrease VoiceOver's volume; it had to be pressed repeatedly to do 
that. If I reboot the phone, my volume will be all the way down, so I will not 
know when it is restarted.

> On Nov 5, 2019, at 8:38 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> According to CNet, you are right, but maybe you are holding them down too 
> long?
> This is what I found:
> You now need to hold the wake and volume down buttons at the same time. After 
> a few seconds of holding in the buttons, the Apple logo will appear on your 
> iPhone's display,
> indicating it has restarted. Then you should be back in business.
> 
> Of course, there is no VoiceOver feedback so try holding for a count of 5 or 
> 6 seconds, i.e. one 1000, 2 1000, etc.
> Then waiting for a minute or two for the restart.
> 
> Richard
> 
>  Live long and prosper
> 
> 
> Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of kelby 
> carlson
> Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 5:31 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Can't Reboot iPhone
> 
> A quick press accomplishes nothing. They have to be held down.
> 
>> On Nov 5, 2019, at 3:53 AM, Dave  wrote:
>> 
>> You do a quick press, of the volume buttons, and don't hold them for long, 
>> as that will lower your volume.
>> 
>> Dave.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: kelby carlson
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2019 12:11 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Can't Reboot iPhone
>> 
>> I know you do because I have had an iPhone 7 for 3 years. The problem is 
>> that pressing that combination now also turns the volume all the way down.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Nov 4, 2019, at 7:02 PM, Anna Dresner  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Kelby,
>>> 
>>> I think you press Volume Down and the side button together to do a reset on 
>>> the iPHone 7, but I would suggest checking the user guide to be sure or 
>>> Googling it.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Anna
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
> On Nov 4, 2019, at 5:27 PM, kelby carlson  wrote:
 
 No, pressing that combination of buttons does not work on the iPhone 7.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
>> On Nov 4, 2019, at 5:39 PM, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
> 
> On the iPhone 7, I believe you press and hold the Home and 
> Power/Side buttons for 10 to 15 seconds. This will reboot and reset the 
> phone.
> You will not lose any data or apps from doing this.
> 
> Wayne
> 
>> On 11/4/19, kelby carlson  wrote:
>> I am talking about actually force rebooting the phone, not just 
>> powering it off.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Nov 4, 2019, at 5:12 PM, Anna Dresner  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Then you can just hold the side button to bring up the screen 
>>> where you can power down the phone.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Nov 4, 2019, at 4:04 PM, kelby carlson 
 
 wrote:
 
 I'm not, I should have specified I'm using a 7.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
>> On Nov 4, 2019, at 4:44 PM, Anna Dresner  wrote:
> 
> Hi Kelby,
> 
> I'm assuming you're using an iPhone 8 or later. You can bring 
> up the screen where you turn off the phone by tapping and 
> releasing Volume Up, then tapping and releasing Volume Down, 
> then holding the side button for a few seconds. If you do these 
> same gestures but hold the side button for 10 seconds, the phone 
> resets.
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 4, 2019, at 3:38 PM, kelby carlson 
>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> After updating to iOS 13, I now have an issue force restarting 
>> my phone. Namely that when I hold down the lock button and the 
>> volume down button, VO's volume is turned all the way down. 
>> Obviously this is not good if you are trying to restart the 
>> phone. Is there a way around this?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: Call block feature in recent calls

[Richard Turner]

On the More Info screen  in the recent call lists, there has always been a call 
blocking feature.  And, no, you don't have to keep them in the recent call 
list.  They are added to a blocked caller list.
So, feel free to delete the recent calls that you have blocked.

In iOS 13, there is a new Silence Unknown Callers feature that allows calls 
from people who are not in your contacts to show up in the recent call list, 
and even leave a voice mail, but you are not aware that they called until you 
check the phone app.

That way, if it is someone you know calling from a different number, they can 
leave a message and you can then add their number to your contacts; or if it is 
a doctor's office calling from a different line, they can leave a message, etc.
But, if it is a spam call, you can then block that number from the recent calls 
list More Info.
One of the new features in iOS 13 I really like.

Some people do not like it because if a family member or friend were in an 
emergency and called from a separate number, it would be silenced, so it is 
something you can turn on or not under the phone settings.

HTH,



Richard

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Hello list
I did not know about this feature. I assume the number is blocked as long as 
one keeps it in the recents section, i.e. when one deletes it from there the 
blocking is gone?
Regards
Fanus


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RE: Can't Reboot iPhone

[Richard Turner]

According to CNet, you are right, but maybe you are holding them down too long?
This is what I found:
You now need to hold the wake and volume down buttons at the same time. After a 
few seconds of holding in the buttons, the Apple logo will appear on your 
iPhone's display,
indicating it has restarted. Then you should be back in business.

Of course, there is no VoiceOver feedback so try holding for a count of 5 or 6 
seconds, i.e. one 1000, 2 1000, etc.
Then waiting for a minute or two for the restart.

Richard

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Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 5:31 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Can't Reboot iPhone

A quick press accomplishes nothing. They have to be held down.

> On Nov 5, 2019, at 3:53 AM, Dave  wrote:
> 
> You do a quick press, of the volume buttons, and don't hold them for long, 
> as that will lower your volume.
> 
> Dave.
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: kelby carlson
> Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2019 12:11 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Can't Reboot iPhone
> 
> I know you do because I have had an iPhone 7 for 3 years. The problem is that 
> pressing that combination now also turns the volume all the way down.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 4, 2019, at 7:02 PM, Anna Dresner  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Kelby,
>> 
>> I think you press Volume Down and the side button together to do a reset on 
>> the iPHone 7, but I would suggest checking the user guide to be sure or 
>> Googling it.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Anna
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
 On Nov 4, 2019, at 5:27 PM, kelby carlson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> No, pressing that combination of buttons does not work on the iPhone 7.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Nov 4, 2019, at 5:39 PM, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
 
 On the iPhone 7, I believe you press and hold the Home and 
 Power/Side buttons for 10 to 15 seconds. This will reboot and reset the 
 phone.
 You will not lose any data or apps from doing this.
 
 Wayne
 
> On 11/4/19, kelby carlson  wrote:
> I am talking about actually force rebooting the phone, not just 
> powering it off.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Nov 4, 2019, at 5:12 PM, Anna Dresner  wrote:
>> 
>> Then you can just hold the side button to bring up the screen 
>> where you can power down the phone.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 4, 2019, at 4:04 PM, kelby carlson 
>>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm not, I should have specified I'm using a 7.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Nov 4, 2019, at 4:44 PM, Anna Dresner  wrote:
 
 Hi Kelby,
 
 I'm assuming you're using an iPhone 8 or later. You can bring 
 up the screen where you turn off the phone by tapping and 
 releasing Volume Up, then tapping and releasing Volume Down, 
 then holding the side button for a few seconds. If you do these 
 same gestures but hold the side button for 10 seconds, the phone 
 resets.
 
 Best,
 Anna
 
 
 
 
> On Nov 4, 2019, at 3:38 PM, kelby carlson 
> 
> wrote:
> 
> After updating to iOS 13, I now have an issue force restarting 
> my phone. Namely that when I hold down the lock button and the 
> volume down button, VO's volume is turned all the way down. 
> Obviously this is not good if you are trying to restart the 
> phone. Is there a way around this?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Can't Reboot iPhone

[kelby carlson]

A quick press accomplishes nothing. They have to be held down.

> On Nov 5, 2019, at 3:53 AM, Dave  wrote:
> 
> You do a quick press, of the volume buttons, and don't hold them for long, 
> as that will lower your volume.
> 
> Dave.
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: kelby carlson
> Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2019 12:11 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Can't Reboot iPhone
> 
> I know you do because I have had an iPhone 7 for 3 years. The problem is that 
> pressing that combination now also turns the volume all the way down.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 4, 2019, at 7:02 PM, Anna Dresner  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Kelby,
>> 
>> I think you press Volume Down and the side button together to do a reset on 
>> the iPHone 7, but I would suggest checking the user guide to be sure or 
>> Googling it.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Anna
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
 On Nov 4, 2019, at 5:27 PM, kelby carlson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> No, pressing that combination of buttons does not work on the iPhone 7.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Nov 4, 2019, at 5:39 PM, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
 
 On the iPhone 7, I believe you press and hold the Home and Power/Side
 buttons for 10 to 15 seconds. This will reboot and reset the phone.
 You will not lose any data or apps from doing this.
 
 Wayne
 
> On 11/4/19, kelby carlson  wrote:
> I am talking about actually force rebooting the phone, not just powering 
> it
> off.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Nov 4, 2019, at 5:12 PM, Anna Dresner  wrote:
>> 
>> Then you can just hold the side button to bring up the screen where you
>> can power down the phone.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 4, 2019, at 4:04 PM, kelby carlson 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm not, I should have specified I'm using a 7.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Nov 4, 2019, at 4:44 PM, Anna Dresner  wrote:
 
 Hi Kelby,
 
 I'm assuming you're using an iPhone 8 or later. You can bring up the
 screen where you turn off the phone by tapping and releasing Volume Up,
 then tapping and releasing Volume Down, then holding the side button 
 for
 a few seconds. If you do these same gestures but hold the side button
 for 10 seconds, the phone resets.
 
 Best,
 Anna
 
 
 
 
> On Nov 4, 2019, at 3:38 PM, kelby carlson 
> wrote:
> 
> After updating to iOS 13, I now have an issue force restarting my
> phone. Namely that when I hold down the lock button and the volume 
> down
> button, VO's volume is turned all the way down. Obviously this is not
> good if you are trying to restart the phone. Is there a way around
> this?
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Re: BT mic for iphone/Pad

[Malcolm Parfitt]

This looks like an interesting app but it is not available here in the UK so 
not be widely available.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 5 Nov 2019, at 13:20, Richard Turner  wrote:
> 
> Have you already decided on an app for the recording?
> 
> In the Applevis newsletter this month, they talked about an app called Dolby 
> On.  It gives very high quality recordings just with the built-in microphone. 
>  If you are doing a group discussion, you may want a stereo microphone.
> First, since the Dolby On app is free, I'll give you that link:
> https://apps.apple.com/us/app/dolby-on-record-audio-video/id1443964192
> 
> I personally like the Zoom IQ6 or Zoom IQ7 microphones.  They are stereo 
> microphones but you cannot have a thick case on the phone as the lightning 
> plug is fairly short.  So, Otterbox cases are out, unless you want to remove 
> the case to record.
> I have the Zoom IQ6 and it has a 3.5 inch earphone jack on the side so you 
> can hear VoiceOver to control whatever recording app you use.  Warning, turn 
> the VoiceOver volume way down to spare your ear drums.  The VO volume through 
> that jack is very loud.
> That is the only reason I have the VoiceOver volume on the rotor.
> 
> I believe the Zoom IQ7 also has the earphone jack.
> 
> The microphones are around $100.
> 
> Others probably have microphones to recommend.
> 
> HTH,
> 
> 
> Richard
> 
>  Live long and prosper
> 
> 
> Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'ChalmersAS' via VIPhone  
> Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 4:40 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: BT mic for iphone/Pad
> 
> Hello
> 
> Looking for recommendations for a good all round mic.
> 
> Our iPhone group, which is not funded, wants to try podcasting. We want to 
> start out using our i devices at first, but realise we may get much better 
> results with an external mic.
> 
> Probably most of the recording wil be indoors, but we do have some ideas 
> about recording outside.
> 
> Naturally, if we get the hang of it, we may be looking in the future to use 
> more specialised equipment, but that’s a way off yet.
> 
> Oh and if anyone has any other advice, please do let us know.
> 
> Best
> 
> Adrienne
> 
> On behalf of VoiceoverEd
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RE: BT mic for iphone/Pad

[Richard Turner]

Have you already decided on an app for the recording?

In the Applevis newsletter this month, they talked about an app called Dolby 
On.  It gives very high quality recordings just with the built-in microphone.  
If you are doing a group discussion, you may want a stereo microphone.
First, since the Dolby On app is free, I'll give you that link:
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/dolby-on-record-audio-video/id1443964192

I personally like the Zoom IQ6 or Zoom IQ7 microphones.  They are stereo 
microphones but you cannot have a thick case on the phone as the lightning plug 
is fairly short.  So, Otterbox cases are out, unless you want to remove the 
case to record.
I have the Zoom IQ6 and it has a 3.5 inch earphone jack on the side so you can 
hear VoiceOver to control whatever recording app you use.  Warning, turn the 
VoiceOver volume way down to spare your ear drums.  The VO volume through that 
jack is very loud.
That is the only reason I have the VoiceOver volume on the rotor.

I believe the Zoom IQ7 also has the earphone jack.

The microphones are around $100.

Others probably have microphones to recommend.

HTH,


Richard

 Live long and prosper


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-Original Message-
From: 'ChalmersAS' via VIPhone  
Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 4:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: BT mic for iphone/Pad

Hello

Looking for recommendations for a good all round mic.

Our iPhone group, which is not funded, wants to try podcasting. We want to 
start out using our i devices at first, but realise we may get much better 
results with an external mic.

Probably most of the recording wil be indoors, but we do have some ideas about 
recording outside.

Naturally, if we get the hang of it, we may be looking in the future to use 
more specialised equipment, but that’s a way off yet.

Oh and if anyone has any other advice, please do let us know.

Best

Adrienne

On behalf of VoiceoverEd

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Re: Apple Newsroom: Apple reveals new AirPods Pro, available October 30

[lenron brown]

Good that the audio is better. I would think it would be for 250 bucks
though. The audio in the Airpods first gens kind of suck though.
Honestly if I pay more than 200 bucks I want an over the ear headset.
I am guessing but I bet these pros don't fall out like the normal
airpods.

On 11/5/19, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
> In my opinion, the price is way to expensive.  If I'm going to pay
> $250 for something, then it had better have better battery life then 3
> hours.  I've got a pair of ear buds that are wireless and lasts for
> about the same time, but I didn't pay anywhere near the price of the
> new apple airpods.
>
> On 11/5/19, Angie Nutt  wrote:
>> Thanks for that; I read a review about them recently which, along with
>> your
>> impressions, makes me think I want a pair. 
>>
>> All the best
>> Angie
>>
>>> On 4 Nov 2019, at 18:19, Ed Worrell  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello All,
>>>
>>> I just got my Air Pods Pro’s in the mail over the weekend. I am
>>> impressed
>>> with them. The noice canceling feature is interesting and it will take
>>> some getting used to. The Transparency mode is really cool. It allows
>>> your
>>> audio such as music or even Voiceover to be heard with the audio around
>>> you ducking under it so you can hear your surroundings. From what I can
>>> tell you only lose about 20 mins off of the full charge when either mode
>>> is active. You get the same battery life as the original Air Pods. I
>>> find
>>> the Pros to be much more comfortable and I don’t have any soreness after
>>> wearing them for a lengthily listen to my favorite music. They come with
>>> 3
>>> different silicone ear tips for a customizable fit.  The audio is 100
>>> times better then the original Air Pods. The new H1 chip for Siri and
>>> audio makes it so there is very little or even no lag for voiceover
>>> users.
>>> Gestures and what is spoken are in pretty good sync.
>>>
>>> So far I really like them a lot.
>>>
>>> Ed W.
>>>
>>>
 On Oct 29, 2019, at 9:59 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

 In addition to having active noise cancellation they are also a
 different
 design, the Airpods Pro have silicon tips, sit nside your ear canal
 and
 completely seal your ear. They have apparently some mode where you are
 supposed to be able to hear what's going on around you through the
 microphones of these Airpods, but how realistic that represents what
 really goes on around you remains to be seen and I assume in this mode
 the few hours of battery life will be even further shortened.
 At $249 US they certainly won't be on my "I wish I had those" list.

 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
 Maria Reyes
 Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2019 7:28 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Apple Newsroom: Apple reveals new AirPods Pro, available
 October 30

> They have noise cancellation. I enjoy my first gen AirPods. The
> battery
> life doesn't really bother me, but that's because I only use them a
> certain amount.
>
> On Oct 29, 2019, at 6:08 PM, Alex Stone 
> wrote:
>
> 
> I haven’t really been following this thread, but what do these AirPods
> pro do that my current airpods2 dont?
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of
> lenron brown 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2019 9:19:06 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Apple Newsroom: Apple reveals new AirPods Pro, available
> October 30
>
> I normally end up doing the wear one at a time thing because of the
> battery life. It kind of drives me nuts, I think I will glad a pair of
> the over the ear beats that just came out at some point. Then again
> the Bose might be a better choice, will do some testing. Anyways if
> the batteries in the Airpods Pro are the same they are not all that
> useful to me. Maybe in a few years we can get at least 10 hours.
>
> On 10/29/19, Keith Bierman  wrote:
>> again, it's a matter of the load (how much processing there is) and
>> the size of the battery. The more processing, the higher the load,
>> the bigger the drain on the battery. hearing aides for small to
>> medium hearing loss, not using wireless have pretty small demands on
>> the battery. The more profound the loss, the more wireless activity,
>> the higher the load. The apple airpods have (arguably) daft amounts
>> of processing (but it's why they do seamless switching between
>> devices and happily connect to their phone/ipad/laptop from many feet
>> away).
>>
>> I'm not privy to the precise figures for any of the internals
>> (hearing aid, cochlear processor, airpods) but the engineering
>> trade-offs are pretty much textbook material for the fundamental
>> considerations.  The internal details matter, a lot ... but without
>> comparative teardowns, lab testing and instrumentation, 

Re: Apple Newsroom: Apple reveals new AirPods Pro, available October 30

[Joshua Hendrickson]

In my opinion, the price is way to expensive.  If I'm going to pay
$250 for something, then it had better have better battery life then 3
hours.  I've got a pair of ear buds that are wireless and lasts for
about the same time, but I didn't pay anywhere near the price of the
new apple airpods.

On 11/5/19, Angie Nutt  wrote:
> Thanks for that; I read a review about them recently which, along with your
> impressions, makes me think I want a pair. 
>
> All the best
> Angie
>
>> On 4 Nov 2019, at 18:19, Ed Worrell  wrote:
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> I just got my Air Pods Pro’s in the mail over the weekend. I am impressed
>> with them. The noice canceling feature is interesting and it will take
>> some getting used to. The Transparency mode is really cool. It allows your
>> audio such as music or even Voiceover to be heard with the audio around
>> you ducking under it so you can hear your surroundings. From what I can
>> tell you only lose about 20 mins off of the full charge when either mode
>> is active. You get the same battery life as the original Air Pods. I find
>> the Pros to be much more comfortable and I don’t have any soreness after
>> wearing them for a lengthily listen to my favorite music. They come with 3
>> different silicone ear tips for a customizable fit.  The audio is 100
>> times better then the original Air Pods. The new H1 chip for Siri and
>> audio makes it so there is very little or even no lag for voiceover users.
>> Gestures and what is spoken are in pretty good sync.
>>
>> So far I really like them a lot.
>>
>> Ed W.
>>
>>
>>> On Oct 29, 2019, at 9:59 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>>
>>> In addition to having active noise cancellation they are also a different
>>> design, the Airpods Pro have silicon tips, sit nside your ear canal  and
>>> completely seal your ear. They have apparently some mode where you are
>>> supposed to be able to hear what's going on around you through the
>>> microphones of these Airpods, but how realistic that represents what
>>> really goes on around you remains to be seen and I assume in this mode
>>> the few hours of battery life will be even further shortened.
>>> At $249 US they certainly won't be on my "I wish I had those" list.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>>> Maria Reyes
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2019 7:28 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Apple Newsroom: Apple reveals new AirPods Pro, available
>>> October 30
>>>
 They have noise cancellation. I enjoy my first gen AirPods. The battery
 life doesn't really bother me, but that's because I only use them a
 certain amount.

 On Oct 29, 2019, at 6:08 PM, Alex Stone 
 wrote:

 
 I haven’t really been following this thread, but what do these AirPods
 pro do that my current airpods2 dont?

 From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of
 lenron brown 
 Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2019 9:19:06 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
 Subject: Re: Apple Newsroom: Apple reveals new AirPods Pro, available
 October 30

 I normally end up doing the wear one at a time thing because of the
 battery life. It kind of drives me nuts, I think I will glad a pair of
 the over the ear beats that just came out at some point. Then again
 the Bose might be a better choice, will do some testing. Anyways if
 the batteries in the Airpods Pro are the same they are not all that
 useful to me. Maybe in a few years we can get at least 10 hours.

 On 10/29/19, Keith Bierman  wrote:
> again, it's a matter of the load (how much processing there is) and
> the size of the battery. The more processing, the higher the load,
> the bigger the drain on the battery. hearing aides for small to
> medium hearing loss, not using wireless have pretty small demands on
> the battery. The more profound the loss, the more wireless activity,
> the higher the load. The apple airpods have (arguably) daft amounts
> of processing (but it's why they do seamless switching between
> devices and happily connect to their phone/ipad/laptop from many feet
> away).
>
> I'm not privy to the precise figures for any of the internals
> (hearing aid, cochlear processor, airpods) but the engineering
> trade-offs are pretty much textbook material for the fundamental
> considerations.  The internal details matter, a lot ... but without
> comparative teardowns, lab testing and instrumentation, it's all a
> bit handwavy ;>
>
> In any event, as a consumer everyone needs to decide what meets
> *their* requirements,
> w.r.t. usage modes, battery life, water resistance, etc.
>
> Keith Bierman
> khb...@gmail.com
> 303 997 2749
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 10:16 AM Terri Hedgpeth 
> wrote:
>
>> If that was correct, why than do rechargeable hearing aids last for
>> days on a charge, and for 

Re: I updated spotify and now can't read daly mix descriptions

[Aedan Something]

You’re welcome, in my experience developers need more than polite requests from 
disabled people before they take us seriously. Skip the Dishes has refused to 
change their app framework or label their buttons after many attempts. Giving 
the app makers a low rating and encouraging other people to do the same because 
the developer has broken Apple’s accessibility guidelines and therefore is 
refusing to serve the whole public might do a better job of encouraging 
positive change.
I hope more developers respect all of us whatever it takes.
Aedan

> On Nov 4, 2019, at 7:47 AM, Shermeen Khan  wrote:
> 
> Thank you, Eden. I really hope more people contact spotify, however,
> as I worry it won't get fixed otherwise.
> 
> 
> On 11/4/19, Aedan Something  wrote:
>> Hi Shermeen, that lesson is hard to learn for everyone. If spotify doesn’t
>> help a good idea might be to give them a low star rating on the app store.
>> Maybe if we treat accessibility issues like the real problems they are
>> developers will listen to us.
>> Good luck, Aedan
>> 
>>> On Nov 2, 2019, at 2:38 PM, Shermeen Khan  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello again,
>>> 
>>> Just a quick update. I contacted Spotify support via their website,
>>> and the chat feature was remarkably accessible. The person I was
>>> chatting with offered to escalate the concern to a specialist, and now
>>> I'm just waiting to hear from someone. I'd urge other VO users who are
>>> having similar issues with the update to do the same thing, or maybe
>>> there's a more effective way of getting some movement here.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Shermeen
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 11/2/19, Shermeen Khan  wrote:
 I should have learned my lesson by now: update apps at your won risk.
 I am running IOS 12.something on an iPhone 8, and just updated to the
 latest version of spotify. They indicated "accessibility fixes" as
 part of the update. As the subject line says, in my "made for Shermeen
 K" heading, I can see my daily mixes listed, but it used to say
 something like "daily mix 1: Sela, Andrew Peterson, Audry assad and
 more. Daily mix 2: The Monteberity Singers, choir of kings college,
 and more. and now it's not saying any of those types of descriptions,
 just daily mix 1, daily mix 2, daily mix 3, etc. which doesn't tell me
 anything useful. Is anyone else having this problem?
 
 Thanks very much,
 Shermeen
 
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BT mic for iphone/Pad

['ChalmersAS' via VIPhone]

Hello

Looking for recommendations for a good all round mic.

Our iPhone group, which is not funded, wants to try podcasting. We want to 
start out using our i devices at first, but realise we may get much better 
results with an external mic.

Probably most of the recording wil be indoors, but we do have some ideas about 
recording outside.

Naturally, if we get the hang of it, we may be looking in the future to use 
more specialised equipment, but that’s a way off yet.

Oh and if anyone has any other advice, please do let us know.

Best

Adrienne

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Re: Apple Newsroom: Apple reveals new AirPods Pro, available October 30

[Angie Nutt]

Thanks for that; I read a review about them recently which, along with your 
impressions, makes me think I want a pair. 

All the best
Angie

> On 4 Nov 2019, at 18:19, Ed Worrell  wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> I just got my Air Pods Pro’s in the mail over the weekend. I am impressed 
> with them. The noice canceling feature is interesting and it will take some 
> getting used to. The Transparency mode is really cool. It allows your audio 
> such as music or even Voiceover to be heard with the audio around you ducking 
> under it so you can hear your surroundings. From what I can tell you only 
> lose about 20 mins off of the full charge when either mode is active. You get 
> the same battery life as the original Air Pods. I find the Pros to be much 
> more comfortable and I don’t have any soreness after wearing them for a 
> lengthily listen to my favorite music. They come with 3 different silicone 
> ear tips for a customizable fit.  The audio is 100 times better then the 
> original Air Pods. The new H1 chip for Siri and audio makes it so there is 
> very little or even no lag for voiceover users. Gestures and what is spoken 
> are in pretty good sync.
> 
> So far I really like them a lot.
> 
> Ed W.
> 
> 
>> On Oct 29, 2019, at 9:59 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> In addition to having active noise cancellation they are also a different 
>> design, the Airpods Pro have silicon tips, sit nside your ear canal  and 
>> completely seal your ear. They have apparently some mode where you are 
>> supposed to be able to hear what's going on around you through the 
>> microphones of these Airpods, but how realistic that represents what really 
>> goes on around you remains to be seen and I assume in this mode the few 
>> hours of battery life will be even further shortened.
>> At $249 US they certainly won't be on my "I wish I had those" list.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Maria 
>> Reyes
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2019 7:28 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Apple Newsroom: Apple reveals new AirPods Pro, available 
>> October 30
>> 
>>> They have noise cancellation. I enjoy my first gen AirPods. The battery 
>>> life doesn't really bother me, but that's because I only use them a certain 
>>> amount. 
>>> 
>>> On Oct 29, 2019, at 6:08 PM, Alex Stone  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I haven’t really been following this thread, but what do these AirPods pro 
>>> do that my current airpods2 dont?
>>> 
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of 
>>> lenron brown 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2019 9:19:06 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: Re: Apple Newsroom: Apple reveals new AirPods Pro, available 
>>> October 30
>>> 
>>> I normally end up doing the wear one at a time thing because of the 
>>> battery life. It kind of drives me nuts, I think I will glad a pair of 
>>> the over the ear beats that just came out at some point. Then again 
>>> the Bose might be a better choice, will do some testing. Anyways if 
>>> the batteries in the Airpods Pro are the same they are not all that 
>>> useful to me. Maybe in a few years we can get at least 10 hours.
>>> 
>>> On 10/29/19, Keith Bierman  wrote:
 again, it's a matter of the load (how much processing there is) and 
 the size of the battery. The more processing, the higher the load, 
 the bigger the drain on the battery. hearing aides for small to 
 medium hearing loss, not using wireless have pretty small demands on 
 the battery. The more profound the loss, the more wireless activity, 
 the higher the load. The apple airpods have (arguably) daft amounts 
 of processing (but it's why they do seamless switching between 
 devices and happily connect to their phone/ipad/laptop from many feet 
 away).
 
 I'm not privy to the precise figures for any of the internals 
 (hearing aid, cochlear processor, airpods) but the engineering 
 trade-offs are pretty much textbook material for the fundamental 
 considerations.  The internal details matter, a lot ... but without 
 comparative teardowns, lab testing and instrumentation, it's all a 
 bit handwavy ;>
 
 In any event, as a consumer everyone needs to decide what meets
 *their* requirements,
 w.r.t. usage modes, battery life, water resistance, etc.
 
 Keith Bierman
 khb...@gmail.com
 303 997 2749
 
 
 On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 10:16 AM Terri Hedgpeth  wrote:
 
> If that was correct, why than do rechargeable hearing aids last for 
> days on a charge, and for four days on a small wafer battery?
> 
> 
> 
> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Sieghard Weitzel
> *Sent:* Monday, October 28, 2019 9:16 PM
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: Apple Newsroom: Apple reveals new AirPods Pro, 
> available October 30
> 
> 
> 
> It will be a long time before 

disconnected phone calls

[Tom Rash]

I have a 6S and since upgrading to IOS version 13 I've had several phone
calls just disconnect.  Anyone having this problem?  Thanks.

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Re: Can't Reboot iPhone

[Dave]

You do a quick press, of the volume buttons, and don't hold them for long, 
as that will lower your volume.


Dave.


-Original Message- 
From: kelby carlson

Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2019 12:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Can't Reboot iPhone

I know you do because I have had an iPhone 7 for 3 years. The problem is 
that pressing that combination now also turns the volume all the way down.


Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 4, 2019, at 7:02 PM, Anna Dresner  wrote:

Hi Kelby,

I think you press Volume Down and the side button together to do a reset 
on the iPHone 7, but I would suggest checking the user guide to be sure or 
Googling it.


Best,
Anna





On Nov 4, 2019, at 5:27 PM, kelby carlson  wrote:

No, pressing that combination of buttons does not work on the iPhone 7.

Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 4, 2019, at 5:39 PM, Wayne Merritt  wrote:


On the iPhone 7, I believe you press and hold the Home and Power/Side
buttons for 10 to 15 seconds. This will reboot and reset the phone.
You will not lose any data or apps from doing this.

Wayne


On 11/4/19, kelby carlson  wrote:
I am talking about actually force rebooting the phone, not just 
powering it

off.

Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 4, 2019, at 5:12 PM, Anna Dresner  wrote:


Then you can just hold the side button to bring up the screen where 
you

can power down the phone.



On Nov 4, 2019, at 4:04 PM, kelby carlson 
wrote:

I'm not, I should have specified I'm using a 7.

Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 4, 2019, at 4:44 PM, Anna Dresner  wrote:


Hi Kelby,

I'm assuming you're using an iPhone 8 or later. You can bring up the
screen where you turn off the phone by tapping and releasing Volume 
Up,
then tapping and releasing Volume Down, then holding the side button 
for
a few seconds. If you do these same gestures but hold the side 
button

for 10 seconds, the phone resets.

Best,
Anna





On Nov 4, 2019, at 3:38 PM, kelby carlson 
wrote:

After updating to iOS 13, I now have an issue force restarting my
phone. Namely that when I hold down the lock button and the volume 
down
button, VO's volume is turned all the way down. Obviously this is 
not

good if you are trying to restart the phone. Is there a way around
this?

Sent from my iPhone

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