RE: Apple Accessibility reply to Voiceover no longer coming out of my Bose Mini Soundlink 2 bluetooth speaker since upgrading to iOS 13.2

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Apple has several such standard responses and if they reply that they are aware 
of the issue and that it is being worked on that is better than if they reply 
that they cannot reproduce the issue.
I received the same reply when I send a message about the American female SIRI 
voice mispronouncing a number of words.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 3:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple Accessibility reply to Voiceover no longer coming out of my 
Bose Mini Soundlink 2 bluetooth speaker since upgrading to iOS 13.2

What about calling them for help and get screen share? 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Davy Cuppens
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 4:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Accessibility reply to Voiceover no longer coming out of my 
Bose Mini Soundlink 2 bluetooth speaker since upgrading to iOS 13.2

Wow that is a great standard chatbot message that just tells nothing at all but 
then again it is very good and clever you report this bug.
 
From: Alan Lemly   
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 10:34 PM
To: 'VIPhone Email List'   
Subject: Apple Accessibility reply to Voiceover no longer coming out of my Bose 
Mini Soundlink 2 bluetooth speaker since upgrading to iOS 13.2
 

Hello List,

 

I wrote to Apple Accessibility about the issue of Voiceover coming out of the 
phone speakers instead of from a connected Bose Mini Soundlink Bluetooth 
speaker and received the following reply:

 

Hello Alan

 

Thank you for your email.  I apologize for the issues you are experiencing. We 
appreciate the feedback and wanted to let you know that Apple is currently 
investigating this issue. We cannot comment on when it may be resolved.

 

Have a great day,

Apple Accessibility

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RE: VoiceOver not Playing with iPhone 7 and Bose Soundlink 2 Speaker

[Sieghard Weitzel]

No, you cannot downgrade anymore, usually that window closes a few weeks after 
the release of the new iOS.
I am curious to see how the new Sonos Move which I ordered today behaves in 
Bluetooth mode. I won't get it for another week or so, but I'll definitely test 
it.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Moop 
Curran
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 12:11 PM
To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
Subject: Re: VoiceOver not Playing with iPhone 7 and Bose Soundlink 2 Speaker

Hi,
I sent an email to Bose, and they said it’s apple’s issue, which I really 
believe it is. I’ve left MULTIPLE MULTIPLE MULTIPLE feedback emails to apple 
and Apple Accessibility, they said they’re aware of the problem and cannot 
comment on when it will be fixed!! Give me a break! Anyway, I’ve had quite 
enough of my iPhone 8 with iOS 13 not playing nice with my Bose products and 
REALLY want to downgrade to iOS 12.4.1. Is that even possible?
Help!
On 20 Nov 2019, at 12:23, Ed Worrell wrote:

> Hey Greg,
>
> I am having the same issue with my Bose Soundware speaker. I have sent 
> emails from the support section within the Bose Connect application 
> and have not heard back from Bose. I am starting to think that they 
> don’t care about the accessibility issue in the newer phones/operating 
> systems.
>
> Ed
>
>
>> On Nov 20, 2019, at 8:34 AM, Craig Werner 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Greetings, everyone.
>>
>> I cannot get VoiceOver to  speak through my Bose Soundlink 2 
>> Bluetooth speaker using an iPhone 7.  Phone content does indeed 
>> speak.  I did not have this problem with the iPhone SE.  Can anyone 
>> confirm this behavior?  Is it a peculiarity of the phone?
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Craig
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Re: Can you get someone's voice as a Voiceover voice?

[Robin Frost]

Hi,
On a related note I’ve been asking Apple to give us more VoiceOver voices such 
as those offered for purchase in VoiceDream reader app for years now via their 
feedback site.
www.apple.com/feedback
. I’d be willing to pay for more voices were they to become available but 
that’s just little me.
Take good care.
Robin


From: Sieghard Weitzel 
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 11:36 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Can you get someone's voice as a Voiceover voice?

Hi Kevin,

 

While the original SIRI voice was done from voice samples, it is my 
understanding that the new SIRI voice is a fully synthetic voice.

In any case, if you ever listen to that article/interview with the lady who did 
the SIRI voice you’ll understand why Apple could never just take somebody’s 
voice and make it into a TTS, it took months and months and her reading 
millions of lines of text which Apple engineers then had to break down into 
these tiny pieces for this voice to be developed.

Maybe somebody can provide the link although I am sure if you Google “How was 
the SIRI voice made” you may find it. I have to go to work in 2 minutes so I 
don’t have time to find it right now.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kevin 
Minor
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 6:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Can you get someone's voice as a Voiceover voice?

 

Hi.

 

I know some of the voices for Voiceover are samples of real people. I’d like to 
know if I can get this done with my Girlfriend’s voice? I’d rather have her 
synthetic voice talk to me over other voices.

 

Just curious.

 

Kevin and Jilly

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Re: Getting notifications to not speak when talking on the iPhone

[Richard Turner]

Go to settings, Accessibility, VoiceOver, Always Speak Notifications and double 
tap it to off.
That should stop all speaking of notifications.
Of course, that turns them off entirely.




Richard
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On Nov 21, 2019, at 6:56 PM, Debbie Downey  wrote:


Hello again,

I have another question.

Other than turning off speech when on a call, how can I keep notifications from 
speaking in my ear or through the speaker phone while I’m on a call? This is 
very annoying! I don’t believe this happened on my old iPhone 5S but it does 
happen on the iPhone 8.

Anyone have any suggestions?

Thanks!

Debbie

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Re: Can you get someone's voice as a Voiceover voice?

[Robin]

Yeah, it's possible to Change  "The Voice" of 
Google's GoogleAssistant  on Apple's iOS
Just Go InTo "The Settings" of Google's 
GoogleAssistant  on either  your GoogleHome 
MobileApp or  your GoogleAssistant MobileApp  & 
Select your Desired CelebrityVoice (either JohnLegend or Issa Rae)

At 08:44 AM 11/21/2019, you wrote:

I'm not sure about IOS, but you can definitely 
change it on your google devices including home 
devices. Type in Issa Rae in you tube and you'll hear a short video.

On 11/21/2019 10:42 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
How do you change the voice of the google 
Assistant? Are you saying I can change the 
voice used by the iOS Google Assistant app or that on my Google Home Mini?

Â
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From: 
viphone@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Gordon

Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 8:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Can you get someone's voice as a Voiceover voice?
Â

I'm not sure how they do it, but Google uses 
some celebrity voices with their assistant. the 
one I use is Issa Rea. It's actually cool.

On 11/21/2019 10:36 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
Hi Kevin,
Â
While the original SIRI voice was done from 
voice samples, it is my understanding that the 
new SIRI voice is a fully synthetic voice.
In any case, if you ever listen to that 
article/interview with the lady who did the 
SIRI voice you’ll understand why Apple could 
never just take somebody’s voice and make it 
into a TTS, it took months and months and her 
reading millions of lines of text which Apple 
engineers then had to break down into these 
tiny pieces for this voice to be developed.
Maybe somebody can provide the link although I 
am sure if you Google “How was the SIRI voice 
made† you may find it. I have to go to work 
in 2 minutes so I don’t have time to find it right now.

Â
Â
From: 
viphone@googlegroups.com 
 
On Behalf Of Kevin Minor

Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 6:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Can you get someone's voice as a Voiceover voice?
Â
Hi.
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I know some of the voices for Voiceover are 
samples of real people. I’d like to know if I 
can get this done with my Girlfriend’s voice? 
I’d rather have her synthetic voice talk to me over other voices.

Â
Just curious.
Â
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Getting notifications to not speak when talking on the iPhone

[Debbie Downey]

Hello again,

 

I have another question. 

 

Other than turning off speech when on a call, how can I keep notifications
from speaking in my ear or through the speaker phone while I'm on a call?
This is very annoying! I don't believe this happened on my old iPhone 5S but
it does happen on the iPhone 8.

 

Anyone have any suggestions?

 

Thanks!

 

Debbie

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Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3

['cwc' via VIPhone]

The strangest thing that I have found is the Rotor does not stay wher I put 
it. I usually keep it in Headings, but I have found it moving sommewher 
else when I go to another web page or ap.

On Monday, November 18, 2019 at 8:41:58 PM UTC-5, Cris Ali wrote:
>
> Hi folks, 
>
> Any improvements in voice over performance in iOS 13.2.3? The description 
> does not mention voice over at all. This has been apple’s policy since the 
> release of iOS 13, which is to ignore accessibility concerns. I noticed 
> that the email delete bug still persists. 
>
> Regards, 
>
>
> Cris 
> B 
>
>
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RE: Qardio Arm Help

[' clarence carter' via VIPhone]

Thanks! I will give it a try.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dan
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 8:41 PM
To: 'cwc' via VIPhone 
Subject: Re: Qardio Arm Help

 

I have one and I put the cuff on so that the battery cover is down toward my 
elbow.  I use it on my left arm because I am too clumsy with it on my right arm.

 

Dan  Beaver

On 11/21/2019 7:56 PM, 'cwc' via VIPhone wrote:

I have a brand new Quardio Arm and the AP is on my phone. I have reviewed the 
directionsHowever, I am not sure how to place the Quardio Arm. The directions 
only say to use the logo as a guide. Since I am totally blind, that is not 
going to work. Can someone who uses it give me some guidence? Which way is the 
correct way. Should the Battery cover be at the rear of the unit or is that the 
front of the unit. Their customer support was no help in this matter. They 
directed me to the U-Tube instructions. That's a non starter. 

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Re: Qardio Arm Help

[Dan]

  
  
I have one and I put the cuff on so that the battery cover is
down toward my elbow.  I use it on my left arm because I am too
clumsy with it on my right arm.

  
Dan  Beaver

On 11/21/2019 7:56 PM, 'cwc' via
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  I have a brand new Quardio Arm and the AP is on my
phone. I have reviewed the directionsHowever, I am not sure how
to place the Quardio Arm. The directions only say to use the
logo as a guide. Since I am totally blind, that is not going to
work. Can someone who uses it give me some guidence? Which way
is the correct way. Should the Battery cover be at the rear of
the unit or is that the front of the unit. Their customer
support was no help in this matter. They directed me to the
U-Tube instructions. That's a non starter. 
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Qardio Arm Help

['cwc' via VIPhone]

I have a brand new Quardio Arm and the AP is on my phone. I have reviewed 
the directionsHowever, I am not sure how to place the Quardio Arm. The 
directions only say to use the logo as a guide. Since I am totally blind, 
that is not going to work. Can someone who uses it give me some guidence? 
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the unit or is that the front of the unit. Their customer support was no 
help in this matter. They directed me to the U-Tube instructions. That's a 
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Re: iPhone 8 and triple click home

[Joshua Hendrickson]

I use the tripple click of the home button on my iPhone 8 all the time
especially when I'm listening to a bard book.  I do that, or I turn
off my voiceover speech by doing a 3 finger double tap.

On 11/21/19, Debbie Downey  wrote:
> Thank you Jim and Lynne!
>
> That did it!
>
> I know that I can tell Siri to turn Voiceover on and off but sometimes I
> find it easier just to do it manually!
>
> Thanks again!
>
> I love this list!
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> Debbie
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jim
> Fettgather
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> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iPhone 8 and triple click home
>
> Hello, I have noticed that the triple click home is not always set to turn
> on Voiceover, so I have had to go to settings, then accessibility, and way
> down at  the bottom,, in fact, the last option, is Accessibility Shortcut.
> This is the one you may want to activate to ensure Voiceover is selected.
> Thanks.
>
> On 11/21/19, Debbie Downey  wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>>
>>
>> I just got a new iPhone 8 last Friday and today I had the occasion to
>> turn off Voiceover. I tried the triple click home and it just took me
>> to the App Switcher. I played with the speed of the home click and
>> tried several times with it being on the default or the slowest and it
>> made no difference. My husband has a new iPhone 8 also and he isn't having
>> a problem with this.
>>
>>
>>
>> Does anyone have any ideas?
>>
>>
>>
>> We are both running IOS 13.2.3
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>>
>>
>> Debbie
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Re: Question about the Zillow app?

[lenron brown]

Yes it is accessible.

On 11/21/19, dacia.l...@gmail.com  wrote:
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> Does anyone know if the Zillow app is accessible? My husband and I are
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> accessible. I think it is also available on the computer, but I don’t know
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Question about the Zillow app?

[dacia . luck]

Hi,
Does anyone know if the Zillow app is accessible? My husband and I are wanting 
to start looking at houses, and I was curious if there Zillow app is 
accessible. I think it is also available on the computer, but I don’t know if 
it is more clunky on the computer and it is on the phone. I have an iPhone 8 
and the latest iOS update 13.
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RE: Apple Accessibility reply to Voiceover no longer coming out of my Bose Mini Soundlink 2 bluetooth speaker since upgrading to iOS 13.2

[Carolyn]

What about calling them for help and get screen share? 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Davy Cuppens
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 4:35 PM
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Subject: Re: Apple Accessibility reply to Voiceover no longer coming out of my 
Bose Mini Soundlink 2 bluetooth speaker since upgrading to iOS 13.2

Wow that is a great standard chatbot message that just tells nothing at all but 
then again it is very good and clever you report this bug.
 
From: Alan Lemly   
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 10:34 PM
To: 'VIPhone Email List'   
Subject: Apple Accessibility reply to Voiceover no longer coming out of my Bose 
Mini Soundlink 2 bluetooth speaker since upgrading to iOS 13.2
 

Hello List,

 

I wrote to Apple Accessibility about the issue of Voiceover coming out of the 
phone speakers instead of from a connected Bose Mini Soundlink Bluetooth 
speaker and received the following reply:

 

Hello Alan

 

Thank you for your email.  I apologize for the issues you are experiencing. We 
appreciate the feedback and wanted to let you know that Apple is currently 
investigating this issue. We cannot comment on when it may be resolved.

 

Have a great day,

Apple Accessibility

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Re: Apple Accessibility reply to Voiceover no longer coming out of my Bose Mini Soundlink 2 bluetooth speaker since upgrading to iOS 13.2

[Denise Barajas]

I have the very same thing happen to me with all apps, but audio. Even iPhone 
sounds play through my phone. I've been sending log after log to Apple. 
Strangely, this behavior switched on me when using Pandora. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 21, 2019, at 14:28, Alan Lemly  wrote:
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> 
> Davy,
>  
> Well, at least my message communicated that Apple Accessibility is aware of 
> the issue whereas yours communicated that you are capable of a snarky reply 
> with no further information.
>  
> Alan
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
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> my Bose Mini Soundlink 2 bluetooth speaker since upgrading to iOS 13.2
>  
> Wow that is a great standard chatbot message that just tells nothing at all 
> but then again it is very good and clever you report this bug.
>  
> From: Alan Lemly
> Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 10:34 PM
> To: 'VIPhone Email List'
> Subject: Apple Accessibility reply to Voiceover no longer coming out of my 
> Bose Mini Soundlink 2 bluetooth speaker since upgrading to iOS 13.2
>  
> Hello List,
>  
> I wrote to Apple Accessibility about the issue of Voiceover coming out of the 
> phone speakers instead of from a connected Bose Mini Soundlink Bluetooth 
> speaker and received the following reply:
>  
> Hello Alan
>  
> Thank you for your email.  I apologize for the issues you are experiencing. 
> We appreciate the feedback and wanted to let you know that Apple is currently 
> investigating this issue. We cannot comment on when it may be resolved.
>  
> Have a great day,
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RE: Apple Accessibility reply to Voiceover no longer coming out of my Bose Mini Soundlink 2 bluetooth speaker since upgrading to iOS 13.2

[Alan Lemly]

Davy,

 

Well, at least my message communicated that Apple Accessibility is aware of the 
issue whereas yours communicated that you are capable of a snarky reply with no 
further information.

 

Alan

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Davy Cuppens
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 3:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Accessibility reply to Voiceover no longer coming out of my 
Bose Mini Soundlink 2 bluetooth speaker since upgrading to iOS 13.2

 

Wow that is a great standard chatbot message that just tells nothing at all but 
then again it is very good and clever you report this bug.

 

From: Alan Lemly   

Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 10:34 PM

To: 'VIPhone Email List'   

Subject: Apple Accessibility reply to Voiceover no longer coming out of my Bose 
Mini Soundlink 2 bluetooth speaker since upgrading to iOS 13.2

 

Hello List,

 

I wrote to Apple Accessibility about the issue of Voiceover coming out of the 
phone speakers instead of from a connected Bose Mini Soundlink Bluetooth 
speaker and received the following reply:

 

Hello Alan

 

Thank you for your email.  I apologize for the issues you are experiencing. We 
appreciate the feedback and wanted to let you know that Apple is currently 
investigating this issue. We cannot comment on when it may be resolved.

 

Have a great day,

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RE: iPhone 8 and triple click home

[Debbie Downey]

Thank you Jim and Lynne!

That did it!

I know that I can tell Siri to turn Voiceover on and off but sometimes I find 
it easier just to do it manually!

Thanks again!

I love this list!

Debbie

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jim 
Fettgather
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 5:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone 8 and triple click home

Hello, I have noticed that the triple click home is not always set to turn on 
Voiceover, so I have had to go to settings, then accessibility, and way down at 
 the bottom,, in fact, the last option, is Accessibility Shortcut.  This is the 
one you may want to activate to ensure Voiceover is selected.
Thanks.

On 11/21/19, Debbie Downey  wrote:
> Hello,
>
>
>
> I just got a new iPhone 8 last Friday and today I had the occasion to 
> turn off Voiceover. I tried the triple click home and it just took me 
> to the App Switcher. I played with the speed of the home click and 
> tried several times with it being on the default or the slowest and it 
> made no difference. My husband has a new iPhone 8 also and he isn't having a 
> problem with this.
>
>
>
> Does anyone have any ideas?
>
>
>
> We are both running IOS 13.2.3
>
>
>
> Thank you!
>
>
>
> Debbie
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Re: accessible tuning apps that can be used to help tune a piano

[Richard Turner]

Talking tuner is great for many stringed instruments, but the developer does 
not recommend it for pianos.
Two limited of a range I think was the reason.




Richard
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On Nov 21, 2019, at 1:58 PM, Karen Poulakos  wrote:


I use Talking Tuner to tune my 44 string harp.  It will tell you whether a note 
is sharp or flat, and how far off it is.

Karen P

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cory Jackson
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 12:26 PM
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Hi,
I know apps like this exist. Are any of them accessible?
Thanks for your help in advance.
Cory
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Re: downgrading from the latest iOS 13 to iOS 12.4.1, am I out of luck?

[Dave]

yes i know. Have you read the total thread?

Dave.


-Original Message- 
From: Davy Cuppens

Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 8:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: downgrading from the latest iOS 13 to iOS 12.4.1, am I out of 
luck?


12.4.3 is only for iphone6 and lower.

-Oorspronkelijk bericht- 
From: Dave

Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 9:14 PM
To: Viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: downgrading from the latest iOS 13 to iOS 12.4.1, am I out of
luck?

you are out of luck.

Apple stopped signing iOS 12, some time ago.

and the last version, was 12.4.3.

Dave.


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To: Viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: downgrading from the latest iOS 13 to iOS 12.4.1, am I out of luck?

Hi,
I’m extremely tired of having sounds and voiceover routed through my
iPhone 8’s internal speaker, despite a Bose SoundWear neck speaker
being connected. I’ve just about had it, the only way I know to fix it
is to go back to iOS 12.4.1. Can I still restore to 12.4.1 if I have the
.ipsw, or am I out of luck having to suffer with these iOS 13 bluetooth
issues?
Help!

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Re: iPhone 8 and triple click home

[l . d . ethier23]

Hello,
You can ask Siri to turn off voiceover are you should go to 
settings/accessibility/short cut and mark voiceover to be able to use as short 
cut.

Lyne

> Le 21 nov. 2019 à 16:55, Debbie Downey  a écrit :
> 
> Hello,
>  
> I just got a new iPhone 8 last Friday and today I had the occasion to turn 
> off Voiceover. I tried the triple click home and it just took me to the App 
> Switcher. I played with the speed of the home click and tried several times 
> with it being on the default or the slowest and it made no difference. My 
> husband has a new iPhone 8 also and he isn’t having a problem with this.
>  
> Does anyone have any ideas?
>  
> We are both running IOS 13.2.3
>  
> Thank you!
>  
> Debbie
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Re: iPhone 8 and triple click home

[Jim Fettgather]

Hello, I have noticed that the triple click home is not always set to
turn on Voiceover, so I have had to go to settings, then
accessibility, and way down at  the bottom,, in fact, the last option,
is Accessibility Shortcut.  This is the one you may want to activate
to ensure Voiceover is selected.
Thanks.

On 11/21/19, Debbie Downey  wrote:
> Hello,
>
>
>
> I just got a new iPhone 8 last Friday and today I had the occasion to turn
> off Voiceover. I tried the triple click home and it just took me to the App
> Switcher. I played with the speed of the home click and tried several times
> with it being on the default or the slowest and it made no difference. My
> husband has a new iPhone 8 also and he isn't having a problem with this.
>
>
>
> Does anyone have any ideas?
>
>
>
> We are both running IOS 13.2.3
>
>
>
> Thank you!
>
>
>
> Debbie
>
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Re: Apple Accessibility reply to Voiceover no longer coming out of my Bose Mini Soundlink 2 bluetooth speaker since upgrading to iOS 13.2

[Kathy Brandt]

Yes, that’s the same response I got when reporting the mail app issues. I 
haven’t actually updated, but wanted to lend my support,, since I want to see 
this resolved.

> On Nov 21, 2019, at 4:40 PM, Gordon  wrote:
> 
> Yes that's a generic response I've seen copied and pasted many times by 
> Apple, however this stuff does get fixed much faster than it would if it were 
> Google. So they do listen and work on this stuff.  
> 
>> On 11/21/2019 3:35 PM, Davy Cuppens wrote:
>> Wow that is a great standard chatbot message that just tells nothing at all 
>> but then again it is very good and clever you report this bug.
>>  
>> From: Alan Lemly
>> Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 10:34 PM
>> To: 'VIPhone Email List'
>> Subject: Apple Accessibility reply to Voiceover no longer coming out of my 
>> Bose Mini Soundlink 2 bluetooth speaker since upgrading to iOS 13.2
>>  
>> Hello List,
>>  
>> I wrote to Apple Accessibility about the issue of Voiceover coming out of 
>> the phone speakers instead of from a connected Bose Mini Soundlink Bluetooth 
>> speaker and received the following reply:
>>  
>> Hello Alan
>>  
>> Thank you for your email.  I apologize for the issues you are experiencing. 
>> We appreciate the feedback and wanted to let you know that Apple is 
>> currently investigating this issue. We cannot comment on when it may be 
>> resolved.
>>  
>> Have a great day,
>> Apple Accessibility
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RE: accessible tuning apps that can be used to help tune a piano

[Karen Poulakos]

I use Talking Tuner to tune my 44 string harp.  It will tell you whether a note 
is sharp or flat, and how far off it is.

 

Karen P  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cory Jackson
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 12:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: accessible tuning apps that can be used to help tune a piano

 

Hi,

I know apps like this exist. Are any of them accessible?

Thanks for your help in advance.

Cory

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iPhone 8 and triple click home

[Debbie Downey]

Hello,

 

I just got a new iPhone 8 last Friday and today I had the occasion to turn
off Voiceover. I tried the triple click home and it just took me to the App
Switcher. I played with the speed of the home click and tried several times
with it being on the default or the slowest and it made no difference. My
husband has a new iPhone 8 also and he isn't having a problem with this.

 

Does anyone have any ideas?

 

We are both running IOS 13.2.3

 

Thank you!

 

Debbie

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Re: VoiceOver not Playing with iPhone 7 and Bose Soundlink 2 Speaker

[Moop Curran]

Hi,
I’ve been using iOS 13 since dev beta 1 (yes, I have a dev account, 
because I’m spoiled and I don’t like to wait for things, which got 
me in trouble this time because of the Bose bluetooth issue), anyway, 
this bug has been present since dev beta 1, and I’ve reported it 
through the feedback app and also to apple accessibility. Apple 
accessibility keeps giving me the spiel “apple is aware of this 
problem but cannot comment on a timeline”, blah blah blah. All I want 
for Christmas this year is to be able to turn on my Bose SoundWear and 
have it connect to my iPhone 8 and have all VO, sounds, system sounds, 
and media come through it like it used to pre iOS 13. I’ll come down 
from my soap box now, lol, it’s just so frustrating. I’m hoping the 
more people that report this, the faster Apple will fix it. Apparently, 
it’s not only impacting speakers, but also hearing aids.

On 21 Nov 2019, at 13:07, Anthony Vece wrote:


I have that problem with my JBL Clip2.


Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!


On Nov 21, 2019, at 11:36 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:

Debby,

I'm getting the same behavior with my iPhone 8 and my Bose Mini 
Soundlink 2 speaker. Ever since I upgraded to iOS 13, Voiceover comes 
out of the phone speaker and not the Bose Mini when my iPhone is 
connected to it. I assumed this was by design with iOS 13.x but 
perhaps we should report this to Apple Accessibility.


Alan Lemly

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Debby

Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 6:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: VoiceOver not Playing with iPhone 7 and Bose Soundlink 2 
Speaker


Hi All,

I have an iPhone 8 and a Bose mini 2 Soundlink speaker. (Four years 
ago I got it as a freebie from Verizon.) However, voiceover not 
coming over the speaker seems to be an iOS 13 thing. I know it worked 
with iOS 12.4 because I used it during baseball season. What could be 
the difference?


Take care and have fun!

Debby

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 8:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: VoiceOver not Playing with iPhone 7 and Bose Soundlink 2 
Speaker


Hi Caroline,

What exactly do you mean by " My Bluetooth does not do the haptics 
through the phone speaker with my cheapy Bluetooth"?
Haptics are vibrations and really have nothing to do with speakers. 
Do you maybe mean system sounds?


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
Of Carolyn

Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 4:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: VoiceOver not Playing with iPhone 7 and Bose Soundlink 2 
Speaker


My Bluetooth does not do the haptics through the phone speaker with 
my cheapy Bluetooth, but I have navigation problems with it, 
especially in Contacts and when using Section Index.


With my hearing aids, everything works perfect, but, the haptics go 
through the speaker. My husband asked the other day, "what's all that 
clicking noise?"


So, that is why I want to go to Wal-Mart and try a Logitech. It will 
be worth ten or so dollars more to walk out knowing that at least as 
far as this update, the thing works.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 6:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: VoiceOver not Playing with iPhone 7 and Bose Soundlink 2 
Speaker


I have often heard people are having problems with Bose Bluetooth 
speakers/headsets which would indicate this is a problem with how 
Bose implements Bluetooth.
I have a Logitech H800 headset, my Aftershoks, a Logitech Wonderboom 
2 speaker and an Outdoor Tech Turtle speaker and all work fine.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
Of Ed Worrell

Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 9:24 AM
To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
Subject: Re: VoiceOver not Playing with iPhone 7 and Bose Soundlink 2 
Speaker


Hey Greg,

I am having the same issue with my Bose Soundware speaker. I have 
sent emails from the support section within the Bose Connect 
application and have not heard back from Bose. I am starting to think 
that they don t care about the accessibility issue in the newer 
phones/operating systems.


Ed


On Nov 20, 2019, at 8:34 AM, Craig Werner  
wrote:


Greetings, everyone.

I cannot get VoiceOver to  speak through my Bose Soundlink 2 
Bluetooth

speaker using an iPhone 7.  Phone content does indeed speak.  I did
not have this problem with the iPhone SE.  Can anyone confirm this
behavior?  Is it a peculiarity of the phone?

Thank you.

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Re: Apple Accessibility reply to Voiceover no longer coming out of my Bose Mini Soundlink 2 bluetooth speaker since upgrading to iOS 13.2

[Gordon]

Yes that's a generic response I've seen copied and pasted many times by 
Apple, however this stuff does get fixed much faster than it would if it 
were Google. So they do listen and work on this stuff.


On 11/21/2019 3:35 PM, Davy Cuppens wrote:
Wow that is a great standard chatbot message that just tells nothing 
at all but then again it is very good and clever you report this bug.

*From:* Alan Lemly 
*Sent:* Thursday, November 21, 2019 10:34 PM
*To:* 'VIPhone Email List' 
*Subject:* Apple Accessibility reply to Voiceover no longer coming out 
of my Bose Mini Soundlink 2 bluetooth speaker since upgrading to iOS 13.2


Hello List,

I wrote to Apple Accessibility about the issue of Voiceover coming out 
of the phone speakers instead of from a connected Bose Mini Soundlink 
Bluetooth speaker and received the following reply:


Hello Alan

Thank you for your email.  I apologize for the issues you are 
experiencing. We appreciate the feedback and wanted to let you know 
that Apple is currently investigating this issue. We cannot comment on 
when it may be resolved.


Have a great day,

Apple Accessibility

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Re: Apple Accessibility reply to Voiceover no longer coming out of my Bose Mini Soundlink 2 bluetooth speaker since upgrading to iOS 13.2

[Davy Cuppens]

Wow that is a great standard chatbot message that just tells nothing at all but 
then again it is very good and clever you report this bug.

From: Alan Lemly 
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 10:34 PM
To: 'VIPhone Email List' 
Subject: Apple Accessibility reply to Voiceover no longer coming out of my Bose 
Mini Soundlink 2 bluetooth speaker since upgrading to iOS 13.2

Hello List,

 

I wrote to Apple Accessibility about the issue of Voiceover coming out of the 
phone speakers instead of from a connected Bose Mini Soundlink Bluetooth 
speaker and received the following reply:

 

Hello Alan

 

Thank you for your email.  I apologize for the issues you are experiencing. We 
appreciate the feedback and wanted to let you know that Apple is currently 
investigating this issue. We cannot comment on when it may be resolved.

 

Have a great day,

Apple Accessibility

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Apple Accessibility reply to Voiceover no longer coming out of my Bose Mini Soundlink 2 bluetooth speaker since upgrading to iOS 13.2

[Alan Lemly]

Hello List,

 

I wrote to Apple Accessibility about the issue of Voiceover coming out of
the phone speakers instead of from a connected Bose Mini Soundlink Bluetooth
speaker and received the following reply:

 

Hello Alan

 

Thank you for your email.  I apologize for the issues you are experiencing.
We appreciate the feedback and wanted to let you know that Apple is
currently investigating this issue. We cannot comment on when it may be
resolved.

 

Have a great day,

Apple Accessibility

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Re: downgrading from the latest iOS 13 to iOS 12.4.1, am I out of luck?

[Davy Cuppens]

12.4.3 is only for iphone6 and lower.

-Oorspronkelijk bericht- 
From: Dave

Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 9:14 PM
To: Viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: downgrading from the latest iOS 13 to iOS 12.4.1, am I out of 
luck?


you are out of luck.

Apple stopped signing iOS 12, some time ago.

and the last version, was 12.4.3.

Dave.


-Original Message- 
From: Moop Curran

Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 8:08 PM
To: Viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: downgrading from the latest iOS 13 to iOS 12.4.1, am I out of luck?

Hi,
I’m extremely tired of having sounds and voiceover routed through my
iPhone 8’s internal speaker, despite a Bose SoundWear neck speaker
being connected. I’ve just about had it, the only way I know to fix it
is to go back to iOS 12.4.1. Can I still restore to 12.4.1 if I have the
.ipsw, or am I out of luck having to suffer with these iOS 13 bluetooth
issues?
Help!

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Re: downgrading from the latest iOS 13 to iOS 12.4.1, am I out of luck?

[Dave]

you are out of luck.

Apple stopped signing iOS 12, some time ago.

and the last version, was 12.4.3.

Dave.


-Original Message- 
From: Moop Curran

Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 8:08 PM
To: Viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: downgrading from the latest iOS 13 to iOS 12.4.1, am I out of luck?

Hi,
I’m extremely tired of having sounds and voiceover routed through my
iPhone 8’s internal speaker, despite a Bose SoundWear neck speaker
being connected. I’ve just about had it, the only way I know to fix it
is to go back to iOS 12.4.1. Can I still restore to 12.4.1 if I have the
.ipsw, or am I out of luck having to suffer with these iOS 13 bluetooth
issues?
Help!

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Re: VoiceOver not Playing with iPhone 7 and Bose Soundlink 2 Speaker

[Moop Curran]

Hi,
It’s not just Bose, because my soundBlaster roar and my Sound Freakz 
pocket kick don’t play nice either.

On 20 Nov 2019, at 18:03, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

I have often heard people are having problems with Bose Bluetooth 
speakers/headsets which would indicate this is a problem with how Bose 
implements Bluetooth.
I have a Logitech H800 headset, my Aftershoks, a Logitech Wonderboom 2 
speaker and an Outdoor Tech Turtle speaker and all work fine.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Ed Worrell

Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 9:24 AM
To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
Subject: Re: VoiceOver not Playing with iPhone 7 and Bose Soundlink 2 
Speaker


Hey Greg,

I am having the same issue with my Bose Soundware speaker. I have sent 
emails from the support section within the Bose Connect application 
and have not heard back from Bose. I am starting to think that they 
don’t care about the accessibility issue in the newer 
phones/operating systems.


Ed


On Nov 20, 2019, at 8:34 AM, Craig Werner  
wrote:


Greetings, everyone.

I cannot get VoiceOver to  speak through my Bose Soundlink 2 
Bluetooth

speaker using an iPhone 7.  Phone content does indeed speak.  I did
not have this problem with the iPhone SE.  Can anyone confirm this
behavior?  Is it a peculiarity of the phone?

Thank you.

Craig

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Re: VoiceOver not Playing with iPhone 7 and Bose Soundlink 2 Speaker

[Moop Curran]

Hi,
I sent an email to Bose, and they said it’s apple’s issue, which I 
really believe it is. I’ve left MULTIPLE MULTIPLE MULTIPLE feedback 
emails to apple and Apple Accessibility, they said they’re aware of 
the problem and cannot comment on when it will be fixed!! Give me a 
break! Anyway, I’ve had quite enough of my iPhone 8 with iOS 13 not 
playing nice with my Bose products and REALLY want to downgrade to iOS 
12.4.1. Is that even possible?

Help!
On 20 Nov 2019, at 12:23, Ed Worrell wrote:


Hey Greg,

I am having the same issue with my Bose Soundware speaker. I have sent 
emails from the support section within the Bose Connect application 
and have not heard back from Bose. I am starting to think that they 
don’t care about the accessibility issue in the newer 
phones/operating systems.


Ed


On Nov 20, 2019, at 8:34 AM, Craig Werner  
wrote:


Greetings, everyone.

I cannot get VoiceOver to  speak through my Bose Soundlink 2 
Bluetooth

speaker using an iPhone 7.  Phone content does indeed speak.  I did
not have this problem with the iPhone SE.  Can anyone confirm this
behavior?  Is it a peculiarity of the phone?

Thank you.

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Re: downgrading from the latest iOS 13 to iOS 12.4.1, am I out of luck?

[Richard Turner]

I'm afraid you are out of luck.
Apple stopped signing iOS 12 several weeks ago.




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On Nov 21, 2019, at 12:08 PM, Moop Curran  wrote:

Hi,
I’m extremely tired of having sounds and voiceover routed through my iPhone 8’s 
internal speaker, despite a Bose SoundWear neck speaker being connected. I’ve 
just about had it, the only way I know to fix it is to go back to iOS 12.4.1. 
Can I still restore to 12.4.1 if I have the .ipsw, or am I out of luck having 
to suffer with these iOS 13 bluetooth issues?
Help!

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downgrading from the latest iOS 13 to iOS 12.4.1, am I out of luck?

[Moop Curran]

Hi,
I’m extremely tired of having sounds and voiceover routed through my 
iPhone 8’s internal speaker, despite a Bose SoundWear neck speaker 
being connected. I’ve just about had it, the only way I know to fix it 
is to go back to iOS 12.4.1. Can I still restore to 12.4.1 if I have the 
.ipsw, or am I out of luck having to suffer with these iOS 13 bluetooth 
issues?

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Re: accessible tuning apps that can be used to help tune a piano

[Richard Turner]

I copied the description below, but if you want to tune to a string sound being 
played,, this is very good as it repeats the note until you stop it and you can 
switch octaves.
I would think this would be good for piano and it says it is specifically 
accessible with VoiceOver.
Description:
tuner + Tune your Guitar, Bass, Banjo, Mandolin, Cello, Violin, Piano, Viola, 
or Ukulele in seconds.   This app plays perfectly tuned notes for you to match 
your pitch to. The sounds are both real audio and sine wave form. We're also 
proud to announce that Tuner+ is now supports full VoiceOver Accessibility. 
This app does NOT analyze the notes of your instrument to tell you if you are 
sharp or flat. It is just a quick way to get reference notes for ear tuning in 
any key. Enjoy! Nick Moby Pixel



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On Nov 21, 2019, at 11:04 AM, Terry Nord  wrote:


Hi Corey,
Try, tuner plus. That’s tuner with a T and a + at the end. See if that works 
for you. Thanks

You can fill your ears with music and your mouth with food, but, music won’t 
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On Nov 21, 2019, at 12:26 PM, Cory Jackson  wrote:


Hi,
I know apps like this exist. Are any of them accessible?
Thanks for your help in advance.
Cory

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Re: accessible tuning apps that can be used to help tune a piano

[Terry Nord]

Hi Corey,
Try, tuner plus. That’s tuner with a T and a + at the end. See if that works 
for you. Thanks

You can fill your ears with music and your mouth with food, but, music won’t 
make you fat.
ternor...@gmail.com
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> On Nov 21, 2019, at 12:26 PM, Cory Jackson  wrote:
> 


Hi,
I know apps like this exist. Are any of them accessible?
Thanks for your help in advance.
Cory
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RE: Need to replace iPhone 8 looking for pros/cons of iPhone 11 vs iPhone X

[Carolyn]

I understand that the 11 Pro is the smallest in size of the 11 models. 

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Donald Raikes
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 12:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Need to replace iPhone 8 looking for pros/cons of iPhone 11 vs 
iPhone X

Tom,

I have had 2 iPhones with the swelling battery problem. This current phone is 
the last replacement for aone whose battery swelled up and popped the face off 
the phone.  It is apparently a known issue with the iPhone batteries and apple 
will replace the battery and screen at no charge for that.

I don't see the need to go to an iphone 11pro. I don't see that it has any real 
advantages over the 11.



On 11/21/19, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> I will upgrade, as soon as I find out whether or not a SE comes out in 
> the spring, unless my carrier happens to have a bang up sale on Black 
> Frifay or Cyber Monday, and if so, will get an 11 Pro.
>
> I do not have Apple care, but a problem I have is that my Volume Up 
> Button is broken. I have to use a rat-tail comb or something to turn 
> up volume, when I need to.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Tom Lange
> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 8:19 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Need to replace iPhone 8 looking for pros/cons of iPhone 
> 11 vs iPhone X
>
> Hi,
> Over the past year that I’ve had my iPhone 8 it has run hot, which, by 
> the way, is not uncommon. Consequently the battery swelled and the 
> left side of the screen above the mute switch and volume controls 
> separated from the chassis just enough that I could insert a 
> fingernail. I don’t have Apple Care but that’s not a problem in this 
> case. At the Apple store, I was told that even though my phone was out 
> of warranty, Apple would repair or replace the phone at no charge. 
> Apple took the phone, sent it somewhere and gave me a loaner to use 
> while my phone was being checked out. Turns out my iPhone 8 was easily 
> fixed and returned to the Apple store. I got an e-mail saying it was 
> ready for pickup and next day I was able to exchange the loaner for my phone.
> Had I been faced with a costly repair I probably would have upgraded 
> to an iPhone 11, depending on what AT would charge me per month.
>
>> On Nov 20, 2019, at 2:46 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>
>> If you really end up upgrading then by all means get the 11 or 11 
>> Pro. If you don't mind sharing how much do you pay each month and 
>> what do you get for it, i.e. how much data, do you get unlimited calling and 
>> texting?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Donald Raikes
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 9:22 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Need to replace iPhone 8 looking for pros/cons of iPhone 11 
>> vs iPhone X
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Recently my Iphone 8 has been suffering from some battery issues (not 
>> holding a charge), plus two weeks ago the screen cracked, so it looks 
>> like it is time to upgrade my phone.
>>
>> According to verizon, I can get an iPhone 11 64gb for the same 
>> monthly payment I am making now on the iPhone 8.
>>
>> My questions are:
>>
>> 1.  Have enough of the bugs been shaken out of the iPhone 11 series 
>> to make it a reasonable choice?
>> 2.  Would the iPhone X series be a better choice?
>>
>> How hard is it to get used to not having an actual home button?  I 
>> know that the iPhone X/XR/XS don't have the actual home button, and a 
>> friend let me try her ipad without the home button and it seemed 
>> difficult to navigate without the physical button.
>>
>> Also, which case would everyone suggest for the 11 or X depending on 
>> which I get?
>>
>>
>> Any suggestions/reccommendations are greatly appreciated.
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accessible tuning apps that can be used to help tune a piano

[Cory Jackson]

Hi,

I know apps like this exist. Are any of them accessible?

Thanks for your help in advance.

Cory

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Re: VoiceOver not Playing with iPhone 7 and Bose Soundlink 2 Speaker

[Anthony Vece]

I have that problem with my JBL Clip2.


Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!

> On Nov 21, 2019, at 11:36 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
> 
> Debby,
> 
> I'm getting the same behavior with my iPhone 8 and my Bose Mini Soundlink 2 
> speaker. Ever since I upgraded to iOS 13, Voiceover comes out of the phone 
> speaker and not the Bose Mini when my iPhone is connected to it. I assumed 
> this was by design with iOS 13.x but perhaps we should report this to Apple 
> Accessibility.
> 
> Alan Lemly
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Debby
> Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 6:21 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: VoiceOver not Playing with iPhone 7 and Bose Soundlink 2 Speaker
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I have an iPhone 8 and a Bose mini 2 Soundlink speaker. (Four years ago I got 
> it as a freebie from Verizon.) However, voiceover not coming over the speaker 
> seems to be an iOS 13 thing. I know it worked with iOS 12.4 because I used it 
> during baseball season. What could be the difference?
> 
> Take care and have fun!
> 
> Debby
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 8:32 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: VoiceOver not Playing with iPhone 7 and Bose Soundlink 2 Speaker
> 
> Hi Caroline,
> 
> What exactly do you mean by " My Bluetooth does not do the haptics through 
> the phone speaker with my cheapy Bluetooth"?
> Haptics are vibrations and really have nothing to do with speakers. Do you 
> maybe mean system sounds?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 4:53 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: VoiceOver not Playing with iPhone 7 and Bose Soundlink 2 Speaker
> 
> My Bluetooth does not do the haptics through the phone speaker with my cheapy 
> Bluetooth, but I have navigation problems with it, especially in Contacts and 
> when using Section Index. 
> 
> With my hearing aids, everything works perfect, but, the haptics go through 
> the speaker. My husband asked the other day, "what's all that clicking 
> noise?" 
> 
> So, that is why I want to go to Wal-Mart and try a Logitech. It will be worth 
> ten or so dollars more to walk out knowing that at least as far as this 
> update, the thing works. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 6:03 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: VoiceOver not Playing with iPhone 7 and Bose Soundlink 2 Speaker
> 
> I have often heard people are having problems with Bose Bluetooth 
> speakers/headsets which would indicate this is a problem with how Bose 
> implements Bluetooth.
> I have a Logitech H800 headset, my Aftershoks, a Logitech Wonderboom 2 
> speaker and an Outdoor Tech Turtle speaker and all work fine.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ed 
> Worrell
> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 9:24 AM
> To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
> Subject: Re: VoiceOver not Playing with iPhone 7 and Bose Soundlink 2 Speaker
> 
> Hey Greg,
> 
> I am having the same issue with my Bose Soundware speaker. I have sent emails 
> from the support section within the Bose Connect application and have not 
> heard back from Bose. I am starting to think that they don t care about the 
> accessibility issue in the newer phones/operating systems.
> 
> Ed
> 
> 
>> On Nov 20, 2019, at 8:34 AM, Craig Werner  wrote:
>> 
>> Greetings, everyone.
>> 
>> I cannot get VoiceOver to  speak through my Bose Soundlink 2 Bluetooth 
>> speaker using an iPhone 7.  Phone content does indeed speak.  I did 
>> not have this problem with the iPhone SE.  Can anyone confirm this 
>> behavior?  Is it a peculiarity of the phone?
>> 
>> Thank you.
>> 
>> Craig
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RE: New watch, iphone 8 and notification

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I also wish Apple would make it possible to receive notification sounds on the 
watch only or both phone and watch.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jennie 
Facer
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 9:20 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New watch, iphone 8 and notification

Hi,

This is a feature of the watch. When you are wearing the watch, it chimes for 
messages and notifications but the phone does not. This is something you cannot 
change.

Jenn
Jenn and Kumi
TO THE WORLD YOU ARE SOMEONE BUT TO SOMEONE YOU ARE THE WORLD!


On Nov 21, 2019, at 10:14 AM, jkt4...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi,

As of last Friday I have a new series 5 watch paired with my iphone 8 running 
ios 13.2.3. So now when I get a text I hear the notification on the watch but 
the phone doesn’t chime. If I have the watch off and on the charger the phone 
will chime. How do I get both the phone and the watch to chime?

Thanks,
Joe
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Re: New watch, iphone 8 and notification

[Jennie Facer]

Hi,

This is a feature of the watch. When you are wearing the watch, it chimes for 
messages and notifications but the phone does not. This is something you cannot 
change.

Jenn 
Jenn and Kumi
TO THE WORLD YOU ARE SOMEONE BUT TO SOMEONE YOU ARE THE WORLD!

> On Nov 21, 2019, at 10:14 AM, jkt4...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi,
>  
> As of last Friday I have a new series 5 watch paired with my iphone 8 running 
> ios 13.2.3. So now when I get a text I hear the notification on the watch but 
> the phone doesn’t chime. If I have the watch off and on the charger the phone 
> will chime. How do I get both the phone and the watch to chime?
>  
> Thanks,
> Joe
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New watch, iphone 8 and notification

[jkt4960]

Hi,

 

As of last Friday I have a new series 5 watch paired with my iphone 8
running ios 13.2.3. So now when I get a text I hear the notification on the
watch but the phone doesn't chime. If I have the watch off and on the
charger the phone will chime. How do I get both the phone and the watch to
chime?

 

Thanks,

Joe 

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Re: Need to replace iPhone 8 looking for pros/cons of iPhone 11 vs iPhone X

[Donald Raikes]

Tom,

I have had 2 iPhones with the swelling battery problem. This current
phone is the last replacement for aone whose battery swelled up and
popped the face off the phone.  It is apparently a known issue with
the iPhone batteries and apple will replace the battery and screen at
no charge for that.

I don't see the need to go to an iphone 11pro. I don't see that it has
any real advantages over the 11.



On 11/21/19, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> I will upgrade, as soon as I find out whether or not a SE comes out in the
> spring, unless my carrier happens to have a bang up sale on Black Frifay or
> Cyber Monday, and if so, will get an 11 Pro.
>
> I do not have Apple care, but a problem I have is that my Volume Up Button
> is broken. I have to use a rat-tail comb or something to turn up volume,
> when I need to.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Tom Lange
> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 8:19 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Need to replace iPhone 8 looking for pros/cons of iPhone 11 vs
> iPhone X
>
> Hi,
> Over the past year that I’ve had my iPhone 8 it has run hot, which, by the
> way, is not uncommon. Consequently the battery swelled and the left side of
> the screen above the mute switch and volume controls separated from the
> chassis just enough that I could insert a fingernail. I don’t have Apple
> Care but that’s not a problem in this case. At the Apple store, I was told
> that even though my phone was out of warranty, Apple would repair or replace
> the phone at no charge. Apple took the phone, sent it somewhere and gave me
> a loaner to use while my phone was being checked out. Turns out my iPhone 8
> was easily fixed and returned to the Apple store. I got an e-mail saying it
> was ready for pickup and next day I was able to exchange the loaner for my
> phone.
> Had I been faced with a costly repair I probably would have upgraded to an
> iPhone 11, depending on what AT would charge me per month.
>
>> On Nov 20, 2019, at 2:46 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>
>> If you really end up upgrading then by all means get the 11 or 11 Pro. If
>> you don't mind sharing how much do you pay each month and what do you get
>> for it, i.e. how much data, do you get unlimited calling and texting?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Donald Raikes
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 9:22 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Need to replace iPhone 8 looking for pros/cons of iPhone 11 vs
>> iPhone X
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Recently my Iphone 8 has been suffering from some battery issues (not
>> holding a charge), plus two weeks ago the screen cracked, so it looks like
>> it is time to upgrade my phone.
>>
>> According to verizon, I can get an iPhone 11 64gb for the same monthly
>> payment I am making now on the iPhone 8.
>>
>> My questions are:
>>
>> 1.  Have enough of the bugs been shaken out of the iPhone 11 series to
>> make it a reasonable choice?
>> 2.  Would the iPhone X series be a better choice?
>>
>> How hard is it to get used to not having an actual home button?  I know
>> that the iPhone X/XR/XS don't have the actual home button, and a friend
>> let me try her ipad without the home button and it seemed difficult to
>> navigate without the physical button.
>>
>> Also, which case would everyone suggest for the 11 or X depending on which
>> I get?
>>
>>
>> Any suggestions/reccommendations are greatly appreciated.
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RE: Can you get someone's voice as a Voiceover voice?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I just asked my Google Home Mini "Can  you speak in a different voice" and it 
told me I should open the google Assistant app, tap on a bunch of things 
(forget now what) and then I can change it.
I listened to this Issa Rae voice and she sounds too southern for my Canadian 
ears.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of lenron 
brown
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 8:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Can you get someone's voice as a Voiceover voice?

Yes you can. I use the Issa Rea voice. As well. I think you just tell it to 
speak like said person. I would check but I am not near my google home at the 
moment.

On 11/21/19, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> How do you change the voice of the google Assistant? Are you saying I 
> can change the voice used by the iOS Google Assistant app or that on 
> my Google Home Mini?
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Gordon
> Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 8:40 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Can you get someone's voice as a Voiceover voice?
>
>
> I'm not sure how they do it, but Google uses some celebrity voices 
> with their assistant. the one I use is Issa Rea. It's actually cool.
> On 11/21/2019 10:36 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
> Hi Kevin,
>
> While the original SIRI voice was done from voice samples, it is my 
> understanding that the new SIRI voice is a fully synthetic voice.
> In any case, if you ever listen to that article/interview with the 
> lady who did the SIRI voice you’ll understand why Apple could never 
> just take somebody’s voice and make it into a TTS, it took months and 
> months and her reading millions of lines of text which Apple engineers 
> then had to break down into these tiny pieces for this voice to be developed.
> Maybe somebody can provide the link although I am sure if you Google 
> “How was the SIRI voice made” you may find it. I have to go to work in 
> 2 minutes so I don’t have time to find it right now.
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>  On Behalf 
> Of Kevin Minor
> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 6:25 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Can you get someone's voice as a Voiceover voice?
>
> Hi.
>
> I know some of the voices for Voiceover are samples of real people. 
> I’d like to know if I can get this done with my Girlfriend’s voice? 
> I’d rather have her synthetic voice talk to me over other voices.
>
> Just curious.
>
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RE: Can you get someone's voice as a Voiceover voice?

[Carolyn]

I saw an interview with her on an Eyes episode. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 11:36 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Can you get someone's voice as a Voiceover voice?

Hi Kevin,

 

While the original SIRI voice was done from voice samples, it is my 
understanding that the new SIRI voice is a fully synthetic voice.

In any case, if you ever listen to that article/interview with the lady who did 
the SIRI voice you’ll understand why Apple could never just take somebody’s 
voice and make it into a TTS, it took months and months and her reading 
millions of lines of text which Apple engineers then had to break down into 
these tiny pieces for this voice to be developed.

Maybe somebody can provide the link although I am sure if you Google “How was 
the SIRI voice made” you may find it. I have to go to work in 2 minutes so I 
don’t have time to find it right now.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kevin 
Minor
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 6:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Can you get someone's voice as a Voiceover voice?

 

Hi.

 

I know some of the voices for Voiceover are samples of real people. I’d like to 
know if I can get this done with my Girlfriend’s voice? I’d rather have her 
synthetic voice talk to me over other voices.

 

Just curious.

 

Kevin and Jilly

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Re: Can you get someone's voice as a Voiceover voice?

[Albert Ruel]

Yes, I did switch it to a male voice once, however I don’t recall the steps to 
do so. At the time I wanted to try it I did a Google search and found the 
directions quite quickly.

Thx, Albert

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 21, 2019, at 8:42 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 


How do you change the voice of the google Assistant? Are you saying I can 
change the voice used by the iOS Google Assistant app or that on my Google Home 
Mini?
 
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Gordon
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 8:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Can you get someone's voice as a Voiceover voice?
 
I'm not sure how they do it, but Google uses some celebrity voices with their 
assistant. the one I use is Issa Rea. It's actually cool.

On 11/21/2019 10:36 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
Hi Kevin,
 
While the original SIRI voice was done from voice samples, it is my 
understanding that the new SIRI voice is a fully synthetic voice.
In any case, if you ever listen to that article/interview with the lady who did 
the SIRI voice you’ll understand why Apple could never just take somebody’s 
voice and make it into a TTS, it took months and months and her reading 
millions of lines of text which Apple engineers then had to break down into 
these tiny pieces for this voice to be developed.
Maybe somebody can provide the link although I am sure if you Google “How was 
the SIRI voice made” you may find it. I have to go to work in 2 minutes so I 
don’t have time to find it right now.
 
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kevin 
Minor
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 6:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Can you get someone's voice as a Voiceover voice?
 
Hi.
 
I know some of the voices for Voiceover are samples of real people. I’d like to 
know if I can get this done with my Girlfriend’s voice? I’d rather have her 
synthetic voice talk to me over other voices.
 
Just curious.
 
Kevin and Jilly
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Re: Can you get someone's voice as a Voiceover voice?

[lenron brown]

Yes you can. I use the Issa Rea voice. As well. I think you just tell
it to speak like said person. I would check but I am not near my
google home at the moment.

On 11/21/19, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> How do you change the voice of the google Assistant? Are you saying I can
> change the voice used by the iOS Google Assistant app or that on my Google
> Home Mini?
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Gordon
> Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 8:40 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Can you get someone's voice as a Voiceover voice?
>
>
> I'm not sure how they do it, but Google uses some celebrity voices with
> their assistant. the one I use is Issa Rea. It's actually cool.
> On 11/21/2019 10:36 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
> Hi Kevin,
>
> While the original SIRI voice was done from voice samples, it is my
> understanding that the new SIRI voice is a fully synthetic voice.
> In any case, if you ever listen to that article/interview with the lady who
> did the SIRI voice you’ll understand why Apple could never just take
> somebody’s voice and make it into a TTS, it took months and months and her
> reading millions of lines of text which Apple engineers then had to break
> down into these tiny pieces for this voice to be developed.
> Maybe somebody can provide the link although I am sure if you Google “How
> was the SIRI voice made” you may find it. I have to go to work in 2 minutes
> so I don’t have time to find it right now.
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>  On Behalf Of
> Kevin Minor
> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 6:25 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Can you get someone's voice as a Voiceover voice?
>
> Hi.
>
> I know some of the voices for Voiceover are samples of real people. I’d like
> to know if I can get this done with my Girlfriend’s voice? I’d rather have
> her synthetic voice talk to me over other voices.
>
> Just curious.
>
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Re: Can you get someone's voice as a Voiceover voice?

[Gordon]

I'm not sure about IOS, but you can definitely change it on your google 
devices including home devices. Type in Issa Rae in you tube and you'll 
hear a short video.


On 11/21/2019 10:42 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:


How do you change the voice of the google Assistant? Are you saying I 
can change the voice used by the iOS Google Assistant app or that on 
my Google Home Mini?


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*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: Can you get someone's voice as a Voiceover voice?

I'm not sure how they do it, but Google uses some celebrity voices 
with their assistant. the one I use is Issa Rea. It's actually cool.


On 11/21/2019 10:36 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Hi Kevin,

While the original SIRI voice was done from voice samples, it is
my understanding that the new SIRI voice is a fully synthetic voice.

In any case, if you ever listen to that article/interview with the
lady who did the SIRI voice you’ll understand why Apple could
never just take somebody’s voice and make it into a TTS, it took
months and months and her reading millions of lines of text which
Apple engineers then had to break down into these tiny pieces for
this voice to be developed.

Maybe somebody can provide the link although I am sure if you
Google “How was the SIRI voice made” you may find it. I have to go
to work in 2 minutes so I don’t have time to find it right now.

*From:* viphone@googlegroups.com 
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Behalf Of *Kevin Minor
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 20, 2019 6:25 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com 
*Subject:* Can you get someone's voice as a Voiceover voice?

Hi.

I know some of the voices for Voiceover are samples of real
people. I’d like to know if I can get this done with my
Girlfriend’s voice? I’d rather have her synthetic voice talk to me
over other voices.

Just curious.

Kevin and Jilly

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RE: Can you get someone's voice as a Voiceover voice?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

How do you change the voice of the google Assistant? Are you saying I can 
change the voice used by the iOS Google Assistant app or that on my Google Home 
Mini?


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Gordon
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 8:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Can you get someone's voice as a Voiceover voice?


I'm not sure how they do it, but Google uses some celebrity voices with their 
assistant. the one I use is Issa Rea. It's actually cool.
On 11/21/2019 10:36 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
Hi Kevin,

While the original SIRI voice was done from voice samples, it is my 
understanding that the new SIRI voice is a fully synthetic voice.
In any case, if you ever listen to that article/interview with the lady who did 
the SIRI voice you’ll understand why Apple could never just take somebody’s 
voice and make it into a TTS, it took months and months and her reading 
millions of lines of text which Apple engineers then had to break down into 
these tiny pieces for this voice to be developed.
Maybe somebody can provide the link although I am sure if you Google “How was 
the SIRI voice made” you may find it. I have to go to work in 2 minutes so I 
don’t have time to find it right now.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
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Minor
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 6:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Can you get someone's voice as a Voiceover voice?

Hi.

I know some of the voices for Voiceover are samples of real people. I’d like to 
know if I can get this done with my Girlfriend’s voice? I’d rather have her 
synthetic voice talk to me over other voices.

Just curious.

Kevin and Jilly
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RE: VoiceOver not Playing with iPhone 7 and Bose Soundlink 2 Speaker

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Alan,

I don't think this is by design, my Logitech Wonderboom 2 and Outdoor Tech 
Turtle speakers work as expected with all audio coming from the Bluetooth 
speaker.
I am not saying it doesn't effect other speakers, but it seems Bose speakers 
really seem to be mostly affected by this and I would report it to Bose as well 
as Apple.
 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 8:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: VoiceOver not Playing with iPhone 7 and Bose Soundlink 2 Speaker

Debby,

I'm getting the same behavior with my iPhone 8 and my Bose Mini Soundlink 2 
speaker. Ever since I upgraded to iOS 13, Voiceover comes out of the phone 
speaker and not the Bose Mini when my iPhone is connected to it. I assumed this 
was by design with iOS 13.x but perhaps we should report this to Apple 
Accessibility.

Alan Lemly

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Debby
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 6:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: VoiceOver not Playing with iPhone 7 and Bose Soundlink 2 Speaker

Hi All,

I have an iPhone 8 and a Bose mini 2 Soundlink speaker. (Four years ago I got 
it as a freebie from Verizon.) However, voiceover not coming over the speaker 
seems to be an iOS 13 thing. I know it worked with iOS 12.4 because I used it 
during baseball season. What could be the difference?

Take care and have fun!

Debby

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Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 8:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: VoiceOver not Playing with iPhone 7 and Bose Soundlink 2 Speaker

Hi Caroline,

What exactly do you mean by " My Bluetooth does not do the haptics through the 
phone speaker with my cheapy Bluetooth"?
Haptics are vibrations and really have nothing to do with speakers. Do you 
maybe mean system sounds?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 4:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: VoiceOver not Playing with iPhone 7 and Bose Soundlink 2 Speaker

My Bluetooth does not do the haptics through the phone speaker with my cheapy 
Bluetooth, but I have navigation problems with it, especially in Contacts and 
when using Section Index. 

With my hearing aids, everything works perfect, but, the haptics go through the 
speaker. My husband asked the other day, "what's all that clicking noise?" 

So, that is why I want to go to Wal-Mart and try a Logitech. It will be worth 
ten or so dollars more to walk out knowing that at least as far as this update, 
the thing works. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 6:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: VoiceOver not Playing with iPhone 7 and Bose Soundlink 2 Speaker

I have often heard people are having problems with Bose Bluetooth 
speakers/headsets which would indicate this is a problem with how Bose 
implements Bluetooth.
I have a Logitech H800 headset, my Aftershoks, a Logitech Wonderboom 2 speaker 
and an Outdoor Tech Turtle speaker and all work fine.

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Worrell
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 9:24 AM
To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
Subject: Re: VoiceOver not Playing with iPhone 7 and Bose Soundlink 2 Speaker

Hey Greg,

I am having the same issue with my Bose Soundware speaker. I have sent emails 
from the support section within the Bose Connect application and have not heard 
back from Bose. I am starting to think that they don t care about the 
accessibility issue in the newer phones/operating systems.

Ed


> On Nov 20, 2019, at 8:34 AM, Craig Werner  wrote:
> 
> Greetings, everyone.
> 
> I cannot get VoiceOver to  speak through my Bose Soundlink 2 Bluetooth 
> speaker using an iPhone 7.  Phone content does indeed speak.  I did 
> not have this problem with the iPhone SE.  Can anyone confirm this 
> behavior?  Is it a peculiarity of the phone?
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Craig
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Re: Can you get someone's voice as a Voiceover voice?

[Gordon]

I'm not sure how they do it, but Google uses some celebrity voices with 
their assistant. the one I use is Issa Rea. It's actually cool.


On 11/21/2019 10:36 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:


Hi Kevin,

While the original SIRI voice was done from voice samples, it is my 
understanding that the new SIRI voice is a fully synthetic voice.


In any case, if you ever listen to that article/interview with the 
lady who did the SIRI voice you’ll understand why Apple could never 
just take somebody’s voice and make it into a TTS, it took months and 
months and her reading millions of lines of text which Apple engineers 
then had to break down into these tiny pieces for this voice to be 
developed.


Maybe somebody can provide the link although I am sure if you Google 
“How was the SIRI voice made” you may find it. I have to go to work in 
2 minutes so I don’t have time to find it right now.


*From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf 
Of *Kevin Minor

*Sent:* Wednesday, November 20, 2019 6:25 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Can you get someone's voice as a Voiceover voice?

Hi.

I know some of the voices for Voiceover are samples of real people. 
I’d like to know if I can get this done with my Girlfriend’s voice? 
I’d rather have her synthetic voice talk to me over other voices.


Just curious.

Kevin and Jilly

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RE: Can you get someone's voice as a Voiceover voice?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Kevin,

While the original SIRI voice was done from voice samples, it is my 
understanding that the new SIRI voice is a fully synthetic voice.
In any case, if you ever listen to that article/interview with the lady who did 
the SIRI voice you’ll understand why Apple could never just take somebody’s 
voice and make it into a TTS, it took months and months and her reading 
millions of lines of text which Apple engineers then had to break down into 
these tiny pieces for this voice to be developed.
Maybe somebody can provide the link although I am sure if you Google “How was 
the SIRI voice made” you may find it. I have to go to work in 2 minutes so I 
don’t have time to find it right now.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kevin 
Minor
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 6:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Can you get someone's voice as a Voiceover voice?

Hi.

I know some of the voices for Voiceover are samples of real people. I’d like to 
know if I can get this done with my Girlfriend’s voice? I’d rather have her 
synthetic voice talk to me over other voices.

Just curious.

Kevin and Jilly
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RE: VoiceOver not Playing with iPhone 7 and Bose Soundlink 2 Speaker

[Alan Lemly]

Debby,

I'm getting the same behavior with my iPhone 8 and my Bose Mini Soundlink 2 
speaker. Ever since I upgraded to iOS 13, Voiceover comes out of the phone 
speaker and not the Bose Mini when my iPhone is connected to it. I assumed this 
was by design with iOS 13.x but perhaps we should report this to Apple 
Accessibility.

Alan Lemly

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Debby
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 6:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: VoiceOver not Playing with iPhone 7 and Bose Soundlink 2 Speaker

Hi All,

I have an iPhone 8 and a Bose mini 2 Soundlink speaker. (Four years ago I got 
it as a freebie from Verizon.) However, voiceover not coming over the speaker 
seems to be an iOS 13 thing. I know it worked with iOS 12.4 because I used it 
during baseball season. What could be the difference?

Take care and have fun!

Debby

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 8:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: VoiceOver not Playing with iPhone 7 and Bose Soundlink 2 Speaker

Hi Caroline,

What exactly do you mean by " My Bluetooth does not do the haptics through the 
phone speaker with my cheapy Bluetooth"?
Haptics are vibrations and really have nothing to do with speakers. Do you 
maybe mean system sounds?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 4:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: VoiceOver not Playing with iPhone 7 and Bose Soundlink 2 Speaker

My Bluetooth does not do the haptics through the phone speaker with my cheapy 
Bluetooth, but I have navigation problems with it, especially in Contacts and 
when using Section Index. 

With my hearing aids, everything works perfect, but, the haptics go through the 
speaker. My husband asked the other day, "what's all that clicking noise?" 

So, that is why I want to go to Wal-Mart and try a Logitech. It will be worth 
ten or so dollars more to walk out knowing that at least as far as this update, 
the thing works. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 6:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: VoiceOver not Playing with iPhone 7 and Bose Soundlink 2 Speaker

I have often heard people are having problems with Bose Bluetooth 
speakers/headsets which would indicate this is a problem with how Bose 
implements Bluetooth.
I have a Logitech H800 headset, my Aftershoks, a Logitech Wonderboom 2 speaker 
and an Outdoor Tech Turtle speaker and all work fine.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ed 
Worrell
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 9:24 AM
To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
Subject: Re: VoiceOver not Playing with iPhone 7 and Bose Soundlink 2 Speaker

Hey Greg,

I am having the same issue with my Bose Soundware speaker. I have sent emails 
from the support section within the Bose Connect application and have not heard 
back from Bose. I am starting to think that they don t care about the 
accessibility issue in the newer phones/operating systems.

Ed


> On Nov 20, 2019, at 8:34 AM, Craig Werner  wrote:
> 
> Greetings, everyone.
> 
> I cannot get VoiceOver to  speak through my Bose Soundlink 2 Bluetooth 
> speaker using an iPhone 7.  Phone content does indeed speak.  I did 
> not have this problem with the iPhone SE.  Can anyone confirm this 
> behavior?  Is it a peculiarity of the phone?
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Craig
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Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3

[Alan Lemly]

Sandy,

I've reported the Mail app loss of focus to Apple Accessibility after upgrading 
to iOS 13.2 and they replied acknowledging the issue and its reporting by 
numerous users. Apparently, they are still working on it since it's still 
present in iOS 13.2.3.

I think it's a good idea for everyone who experiences this issue to report it 
to Apple Accessibility because the squeakier the wheel, the more likely it is 
to get greased.

Alan Lemly   

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 21, 2019, at 3:00 AM, 'Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> hi,
> Jumping in here… I have updated my iPhone 8 to the latest iOS, but I'm still 
> having great difficulty when doing my emails, the cursor still jumps around 
> when in the list of emails, so, if I go into a message do you what I want 
> with it and come back out of it, I am was placed at the beginning of the list 
> of emails. similarly, if I am reviewing my list of unread emails, and a new 
> one comes in, I'm jump straight back to the top of the list again. as I 
> frequently have several hundred emails in the morning, this is driving me 
> nuts, so, I'm doing my mail using my old iPhone 6. is anyone else having this 
> problem? If so, please tell, otherwise, I shall try some resets et cetera.
> thanks, Sandy
> 
> Sent from The dark side of the moon
> 
>> On 20 Nov 2019, at 23:05, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> Has she updated to the latest 13.2.3 update?
>> The Voiceover problems after a call were an issue in the earlier iOS 13 
>> releases, but seem to have been fixed entirely with iOS 13.2 and we are now 
>> on 13.2.3 with 13.3 already in Beta for some time, wouldn't be surprised if 
>> 13.3 came out for the public either before Christmas or in the first part of 
>> January.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of brian 
>> albriton
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 9:24 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3
>> 
>> With iOS 13, my wife's 6s crashes voiceoVer after an AIRA call. We are going 
>> to look in to this with Apple accessibility. 
>> 
 On Nov 19, 2019, at 7:16 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>> 
>>> There are bugs one can work around and some one can't.
>>> I did actually forget about the dictation issue, this actually is a 
>>> super-annoying issue and there is no work-around except to take a Bluetooth 
>>> keyboard and type the message, so yes, I guess that is a work-around but 
>>> only if I am near my Bluetooth keyboard. Of course for people who only 
>>> speak/use English this is not a problem.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>>> Anthony Vece
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 10:56 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3
>>> 
>>> Just reload the message
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!
>>> 
 On Nov 19, 2019, at 1:32 PM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:
 
 Anthony
 
 Like that friend of mine that encounters the fade-in speech bug or the 
 dictation bug whereas your second dictation line behaves in another 
 installed language ... how would you wirkaround these bugs?
 If one is using the native mail app constantly there is no way to rule the 
 focus. But if mail and notifications don't matter you there is no reason 
 not to update.
 Davy
 
 -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Anthony Vece
 Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 5:31 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3
 
 Hi everybody;
 I have been using Apple products and it’s accompanying software for the 
 past 10 years.
 
 
 I’ve always worked around Boggs.
 Nothing is perfect.
 That’s a fact of life and software.
 I believe everyone will be much happier if they learnto work around the 
 bugs.
 If you encounter a bug just report them to Apple Accessibility.
 Hope this helps
 Anthony
 
 
 Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!
 
> On Nov 19, 2019, at 10:26 AM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:
> 
> No, please stay where you are!
> 
> The bugs are becoming funnier and funnier.
> Yesterday I read on facebook, several American english synthesizers can 
> even not pronounce the word gun and speak it as gna or something like 
> this.
> A friend of mine which is a music producer and extremely advanced ios and 
> mac os user with the use of protools and all that sound stuff, he has the 
> bug since ios13.2. that his voiceover is fading-in each time when he 
> takes his iphone after let say 30 seconds of rest.
> So stay on ios12 like I do.
> Davy
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Joe Orozco
> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 2:49 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3
> 
> Are we at 

RE: iPhone 6s question

[Sieghard Weitzel]

You may find that if you took the time to do a full restore of you r phone and 
set it up as a new device its performance may increase. As I said, only do this 
I fyou have the time because depending on how many apps you have, how many 
services you have like OneDrive, Dropbox, online banking, hone automation etc. 
this could be a bit of a process and of course there then is all your media 
like photos, videos, music you may have downloaded to the device etc. This of 
course you have to make sure is backed up. If you back up to iCloud photos and 
videos should be fine, but despite how much work it is, I usually do this every 
2 or 3 years and usually after I get a new phone because I find it beneficial.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of R Van 
Lant
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 10:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhone 6s question

I'm currently on IOS 13.2.2 on my 6S and it works.  I do feel like I've started 
seeing some sluggishness with things loading and think it started around 
upgrading to the IOS 13, but I know some of this is issues with my service. 



-Original Message-
From: 'Louana Sterling' via VIPhone  
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 9:18 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iPhone 6s question

Will the new software work on the iPhones6s? 

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RE: Can you get someone's voice as a Voiceover voice?

[Carolyn]

Oh my, my deceased husband had a beautiful voice - how fine it would be to get 
his voice for VoiceOver, of course, not happening. 

-Original Message-
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Kevin Minor
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 9:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Can you get someone's voice as a Voiceover voice?

Hi.

 

I know some of the voices for Voiceover are samples of real people. I’d like to 
know if I can get this done with my Girlfriend’s voice? I’d rather have her 
synthetic voice talk to me over other voices.

 

Just curious.

 

Kevin and Jilly

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RE: VoiceOver not Playing with iPhone 7 and Bose Soundlink 2 Speaker

[Carolyn]

Well, those crackling sounds and other sounds that the phone makes to let us 
know, and the little clicks, like when entering the passcode. Those sounds come 
out in my phone speaker, not through my hearing aids like they used to do.

-Original Message-
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Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 8:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: VoiceOver not Playing with iPhone 7 and Bose Soundlink 2 Speaker

Hi Caroline,

What exactly do you mean by " My Bluetooth does not do the haptics through the 
phone speaker with my cheapy Bluetooth"?
Haptics are vibrations and really have nothing to do with speakers. Do you 
maybe mean system sounds?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 4:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: VoiceOver not Playing with iPhone 7 and Bose Soundlink 2 Speaker

My Bluetooth does not do the haptics through the phone speaker with my cheapy 
Bluetooth, but I have navigation problems with it, especially in Contacts and 
when using Section Index. 

With my hearing aids, everything works perfect, but, the haptics go through the 
speaker. My husband asked the other day, "what's all that clicking noise?" 

So, that is why I want to go to Wal-Mart and try a Logitech. It will be worth 
ten or so dollars more to walk out knowing that at least as far as this update, 
the thing works. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 6:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: VoiceOver not Playing with iPhone 7 and Bose Soundlink 2 Speaker

I have often heard people are having problems with Bose Bluetooth 
speakers/headsets which would indicate this is a problem with how Bose 
implements Bluetooth.
I have a Logitech H800 headset, my Aftershoks, a Logitech Wonderboom 2 speaker 
and an Outdoor Tech Turtle speaker and all work fine.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ed 
Worrell
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 9:24 AM
To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
Subject: Re: VoiceOver not Playing with iPhone 7 and Bose Soundlink 2 Speaker

Hey Greg,

I am having the same issue with my Bose Soundware speaker. I have sent emails 
from the support section within the Bose Connect application and have not heard 
back from Bose. I am starting to think that they don’t care about the 
accessibility issue in the newer phones/operating systems.

Ed


> On Nov 20, 2019, at 8:34 AM, Craig Werner  wrote:
> 
> Greetings, everyone.
> 
> I cannot get VoiceOver to  speak through my Bose Soundlink 2 Bluetooth 
> speaker using an iPhone 7.  Phone content does indeed speak.  I did 
> not have this problem with the iPhone SE.  Can anyone confirm this 
> behavior?  Is it a peculiarity of the phone?
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Craig
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RE: Need to replace iPhone 8 looking for pros/cons of iPhone 11 vs iPhone X

[Carolyn]

I will upgrade, as soon as I find out whether or not a SE comes out in the 
spring, unless my carrier happens to have a bang up sale on Black Frifay or 
Cyber Monday, and if so, will get an 11 Pro. 

I do not have Apple care, but a problem I have is that my Volume Up Button is 
broken. I have to use a rat-tail comb or something to turn up volume, when I 
need to. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Tom Lange
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 8:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Need to replace iPhone 8 looking for pros/cons of iPhone 11 vs 
iPhone X

Hi,
Over the past year that I’ve had my iPhone 8 it has run hot, which, by the way, 
is not uncommon. Consequently the battery swelled and the left side of the 
screen above the mute switch and volume controls separated from the chassis 
just enough that I could insert a fingernail. I don’t have Apple Care but 
that’s not a problem in this case. At the Apple store, I was told that even 
though my phone was out of warranty, Apple would repair or replace the phone at 
no charge. Apple took the phone, sent it somewhere and gave me a loaner to use 
while my phone was being checked out. Turns out my iPhone 8 was easily fixed 
and returned to the Apple store. I got an e-mail saying it was ready for pickup 
and next day I was able to exchange the loaner for my phone.
Had I been faced with a costly repair I probably would have upgraded to an 
iPhone 11, depending on what AT would charge me per month.  

> On Nov 20, 2019, at 2:46 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> If you really end up upgrading then by all means get the 11 or 11 Pro. If 
> you don't mind sharing how much do you pay each month and what do you get for 
> it, i.e. how much data, do you get unlimited calling and texting?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donald 
> Raikes
> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 9:22 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Need to replace iPhone 8 looking for pros/cons of iPhone 11 vs 
> iPhone X
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Recently my Iphone 8 has been suffering from some battery issues (not holding 
> a charge), plus two weeks ago the screen cracked, so it looks like it is time 
> to upgrade my phone.
> 
> According to verizon, I can get an iPhone 11 64gb for the same monthly 
> payment I am making now on the iPhone 8.
> 
> My questions are:
> 
> 1.  Have enough of the bugs been shaken out of the iPhone 11 series to make 
> it a reasonable choice?
> 2.  Would the iPhone X series be a better choice?
> 
> How hard is it to get used to not having an actual home button?  I know that 
> the iPhone X/XR/XS don't have the actual home button, and a friend let me try 
> her ipad without the home button and it seemed difficult to navigate without 
> the physical button.
> 
> Also, which case would everyone suggest for the 11 or X depending on which I 
> get?
> 
> 
> Any suggestions/reccommendations are greatly appreciated.
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Re: Viewing posts in a facebook group

[Donna]

Hi,

If you mean in order from newest to oldest, No. Post are moved closer to the 
top, depending on the date/time & the number of the most recent comments to a 
post. Example, if I comment on a post in a group that was shared on September 
2nd & another person or so comments on the same post, the interest in the post 
moves the post closer to the top. Try searching the group for post made on a 
certain day. This is helpful in that you are able to read the most recent post. 
The drawback, the way that the post are displayed is harder to follow. 

Donna
> 
> Hi,
> I am wondering how to view posts in order in a facebook group.
> Jen
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Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3

[Davy Cuppens]

Sandy

Please report immediately to accessibil...@apple.com and please to everybody 
really do report after each new update the persisting bugs. All bugs that 
are reported by less than 1000 people are denied by Apple and won't be 
considered as a problem.

Regards
Davy

-Oorspronkelijk bericht- 
From: 'Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone

Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 10:00 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3

hi,
Jumping in here… I have updated my iPhone 8 to the latest iOS, but I'm still 
having great difficulty when doing my emails, the cursor still jumps around 
when in the list of emails, so, if I go into a message do you what I want 
with it and come back out of it, I am was placed at the beginning of the 
list of emails. similarly, if I am reviewing my list of unread emails, and a 
new one comes in, I'm jump straight back to the top of the list again. as I 
frequently have several hundred emails in the morning, this is driving me 
nuts, so, I'm doing my mail using my old iPhone 6. is anyone else having 
this problem? If so, please tell, otherwise, I shall try some resets et 
cetera.

thanks, Sandy

Sent from The dark side of the moon


On 20 Nov 2019, at 23:05, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

Has she updated to the latest 13.2.3 update?
The Voiceover problems after a call were an issue in the earlier iOS 13 
releases, but seem to have been fixed entirely with iOS 13.2 and we are 
now on 13.2.3 with 13.3 already in Beta for some time, wouldn't be 
surprised if 13.3 came out for the public either before Christmas or in 
the first part of January.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
brian albriton

Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 9:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3

With iOS 13, my wife's 6s crashes voiceoVer after an AIRA call. We are 
going to look in to this with Apple accessibility.



On Nov 19, 2019, at 7:16 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

There are bugs one can work around and some one can't.
I did actually forget about the dictation issue, this actually is a 
super-annoying issue and there is no work-around except to take a 
Bluetooth keyboard and type the message, so yes, I guess that is a 
work-around but only if I am near my Bluetooth keyboard. Of course for 
people who only speak/use English this is not a problem.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
Anthony Vece
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 10:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3

Just reload the message

Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!


On Nov 19, 2019, at 1:32 PM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:

Anthony

Like that friend of mine that encounters the fade-in speech bug or the 
dictation bug whereas your second dictation line behaves in another 
installed language ... how would you wirkaround these bugs?
If one is using the native mail app constantly there is no way to rule 
the focus. But if mail and notifications don't matter you there is no 
reason not to update.

Davy

-Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Anthony Vece
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 5:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3

Hi everybody;
I have been using Apple products and it’s accompanying software for the 
past 10 years.



I’ve always worked around Boggs.
Nothing is perfect.
That’s a fact of life and software.
I believe everyone will be much happier if they learnto work around the 
bugs.

If you encounter a bug just report them to Apple Accessibility.
Hope this helps
Anthony


Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!

On Nov 19, 2019, at 10:26 AM, Davy Cuppens  
wrote:


No, please stay where you are!

The bugs are becoming funnier and funnier.
Yesterday I read on facebook, several American english synthesizers can 
even not pronounce the word gun and speak it as gna or something like 
this.
A friend of mine which is a music producer and extremely advanced ios 
and mac os user with the use of protools and all that sound stuff, he 
has the bug since ios13.2. that his voiceover is fading-in each time 
when he takes his iphone after let say 30 seconds of rest.

So stay on ios12 like I do.
Davy
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Joe Orozco
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 2:49 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3

Are we at a point where iOS 13 is recommended? I'm still hanging
steady on iOS 12.

Joe


On 11/18/19, Richard Turner  wrote:

A comment on Applevis.com, one person said that braille screen
input now works everywhere on the home screen.
That was all that was mentioned for VoiceOver users, and since I do
not use braille screen input, I know nothing more.
HTH,




Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch
with it."
-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe,
by Jane Wagner

Re: Keyboard command to go to notification center

[Richard Turner]

Control+options+m
will take you to the status bar.




Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."
-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane Wagner


On Nov 20, 2019, at 10:09 PM, TaraPrakash  wrote:

 Sorry if it is off topic for this thread but what command can I use to go to 
the status bar using a keyboard?
Primarily I want to be able to check time using the keyboard. I wish we could 
create shortcuts on IPhone to know with single keyboard commands the time, 
battery status etc.


Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 20, 2019, at 10:55 PM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:

I don't know what else might be similar to yours, but on my web site I have a 
couple files with both screen gestures and VO bluetooth keyboard commands; one 
is in word, the other is in excel.
All those keyboard commands work with my keyboard.
www.turner42.com

later,




Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."
-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane Wagner


On Nov 20, 2019, at 7:35 PM, Justin Harris 
mailto:justin171...@gmail.com>> wrote:

 Ah ha! That did it. Just option and up arrow from status bar. My keyboard 
must be a lot like yours. Any other oddities with your keyboard I should know 
about that could be similar? This keyboard came as part of a case for my iPad 
pro, and is detachable, But apparently isn’t a 100% match to the Apple keyboard.
I had tried going to the status bar and then trying the normal vo command and 
it didn’t work, but what you just described worked perfect. Many thanks. :)


Enviado desde mi iPad

El nov. 20, 2019, a la(s) 7:39 p. m., Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> escribió:

 The FN key or function key does nothing for me with my Logitech k480.
So I do the VO+m then option+up or down arrow if I want Notification center or 
control center.




Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."
-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane Wagner


On Nov 20, 2019, at 3:23 PM, Justin Harris 
mailto:justin171...@gmail.com>> wrote:

No, I tried it with another keyboard and it worked as it should, butt for some 
strange reason, it just doesn’t work on this particular keyboard Í ’m using. 
Sad, as I really like this keyboard. It is so thin, but still has great key 
travel.


Enviado desde mi iPad

El nov. 20, 2019, a la(s) 4:18 p. m., Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> escribió:

But don't you first have to place Voiceover focus on the status bar with VO + 
M?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Anna 
Dresner
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 7:31 PM
To: VIPhone Mailing List 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: Keyboard command to go to notification center

Hi Justin,
The command is Function (FN) key with VO keys and Up Arrow. Check the user 
guide, which you can get from the Apple Book store.

Best,
Anna


On Nov 19, 2019, at 9:09 PM, Justin Harris 
mailto:justin171...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi everyone,
I thought the keyboard command to go to either notifications or control center 
would be vo + N, either once or twice, but that’s not working. Am I missing 
something?
Thanks.

Enviado desde mi iPad

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RE: VoiceOver not Playing with iPhone 7 and Bose Soundlink 2 Speaker

[Debby]

Hi All,

I have an iPhone 8 and a Bose mini 2 Soundlink speaker. (Four years ago I got 
it as a freebie from Verizon.) However, voiceover not coming over the speaker 
seems to be an iOS 13 thing. I know it worked with iOS 12.4 because I used it 
during baseball season. What could be the difference?

Take care and have fun!

Debby

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 8:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: VoiceOver not Playing with iPhone 7 and Bose Soundlink 2 Speaker

Hi Caroline,

What exactly do you mean by " My Bluetooth does not do the haptics through the 
phone speaker with my cheapy Bluetooth"?
Haptics are vibrations and really have nothing to do with speakers. Do you 
maybe mean system sounds?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 4:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: VoiceOver not Playing with iPhone 7 and Bose Soundlink 2 Speaker

My Bluetooth does not do the haptics through the phone speaker with my cheapy 
Bluetooth, but I have navigation problems with it, especially in Contacts and 
when using Section Index. 

With my hearing aids, everything works perfect, but, the haptics go through the 
speaker. My husband asked the other day, "what's all that clicking noise?" 

So, that is why I want to go to Wal-Mart and try a Logitech. It will be worth 
ten or so dollars more to walk out knowing that at least as far as this update, 
the thing works. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 6:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: VoiceOver not Playing with iPhone 7 and Bose Soundlink 2 Speaker

I have often heard people are having problems with Bose Bluetooth 
speakers/headsets which would indicate this is a problem with how Bose 
implements Bluetooth.
I have a Logitech H800 headset, my Aftershoks, a Logitech Wonderboom 2 speaker 
and an Outdoor Tech Turtle speaker and all work fine.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ed 
Worrell
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 9:24 AM
To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
Subject: Re: VoiceOver not Playing with iPhone 7 and Bose Soundlink 2 Speaker

Hey Greg,

I am having the same issue with my Bose Soundware speaker. I have sent emails 
from the support section within the Bose Connect application and have not heard 
back from Bose. I am starting to think that they don’t care about the 
accessibility issue in the newer phones/operating systems.

Ed


> On Nov 20, 2019, at 8:34 AM, Craig Werner  wrote:
> 
> Greetings, everyone.
> 
> I cannot get VoiceOver to  speak through my Bose Soundlink 2 Bluetooth 
> speaker using an iPhone 7.  Phone content does indeed speak.  I did 
> not have this problem with the iPhone SE.  Can anyone confirm this 
> behavior?  Is it a peculiarity of the phone?
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Craig
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Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3

[Lois Butterfield]

Hi Sandy,

I am certainly having that problem as well. It’s driving me crazy. I hate 
looking at the email.

Take care,
Lois

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 21, 2019, at 4:00 AM, 'Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> hi,
> Jumping in here… I have updated my iPhone 8 to the latest iOS, but I'm still 
> having great difficulty when doing my emails, the cursor still jumps around 
> when in the list of emails, so, if I go into a message do you what I want 
> with it and come back out of it, I am was placed at the beginning of the list 
> of emails. similarly, if I am reviewing my list of unread emails, and a new 
> one comes in, I'm jump straight back to the top of the list again. as I 
> frequently have several hundred emails in the morning, this is driving me 
> nuts, so, I'm doing my mail using my old iPhone 6. is anyone else having this 
> problem? If so, please tell, otherwise, I shall try some resets et cetera.
> thanks, Sandy
> 
> Sent from The dark side of the moon
> 
>> On 20 Nov 2019, at 23:05, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> Has she updated to the latest 13.2.3 update?
>> The Voiceover problems after a call were an issue in the earlier iOS 13 
>> releases, but seem to have been fixed entirely with iOS 13.2 and we are now 
>> on 13.2.3 with 13.3 already in Beta for some time, wouldn't be surprised if 
>> 13.3 came out for the public either before Christmas or in the first part of 
>> January.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of brian 
>> albriton
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 9:24 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3
>> 
>> With iOS 13, my wife's 6s crashes voiceoVer after an AIRA call. We are going 
>> to look in to this with Apple accessibility. 
>> 
 On Nov 19, 2019, at 7:16 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>> 
>>> There are bugs one can work around and some one can't.
>>> I did actually forget about the dictation issue, this actually is a 
>>> super-annoying issue and there is no work-around except to take a Bluetooth 
>>> keyboard and type the message, so yes, I guess that is a work-around but 
>>> only if I am near my Bluetooth keyboard. Of course for people who only 
>>> speak/use English this is not a problem.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>>> Anthony Vece
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 10:56 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3
>>> 
>>> Just reload the message
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!
>>> 
 On Nov 19, 2019, at 1:32 PM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:
 
 Anthony
 
 Like that friend of mine that encounters the fade-in speech bug or the 
 dictation bug whereas your second dictation line behaves in another 
 installed language ... how would you wirkaround these bugs?
 If one is using the native mail app constantly there is no way to rule the 
 focus. But if mail and notifications don't matter you there is no reason 
 not to update.
 Davy
 
 -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Anthony Vece
 Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 5:31 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3
 
 Hi everybody;
 I have been using Apple products and it’s accompanying software for the 
 past 10 years.
 
 
 I’ve always worked around Boggs.
 Nothing is perfect.
 That’s a fact of life and software.
 I believe everyone will be much happier if they learnto work around the 
 bugs.
 If you encounter a bug just report them to Apple Accessibility.
 Hope this helps
 Anthony
 
 
 Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!
 
> On Nov 19, 2019, at 10:26 AM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:
> 
> No, please stay where you are!
> 
> The bugs are becoming funnier and funnier.
> Yesterday I read on facebook, several American english synthesizers can 
> even not pronounce the word gun and speak it as gna or something like 
> this.
> A friend of mine which is a music producer and extremely advanced ios and 
> mac os user with the use of protools and all that sound stuff, he has the 
> bug since ios13.2. that his voiceover is fading-in each time when he 
> takes his iphone after let say 30 seconds of rest.
> So stay on ios12 like I do.
> Davy
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Joe Orozco
> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 2:49 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3
> 
> Are we at a point where iOS 13 is recommended? I'm still hanging 
> steady on iOS 12.
> 
> Joe
> 
>>> On 11/18/19, Richard Turner  wrote:
>> A comment on Applevis.com, one person said that braille screen 
>> input now works everywhere on the home screen.
>> That was all that was mentioned for VoiceOver 

Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3

['Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone]

hi,
Jumping in here… I have updated my iPhone 8 to the latest iOS, but I'm still 
having great difficulty when doing my emails, the cursor still jumps around 
when in the list of emails, so, if I go into a message do you what I want with 
it and come back out of it, I am was placed at the beginning of the list of 
emails. similarly, if I am reviewing my list of unread emails, and a new one 
comes in, I'm jump straight back to the top of the list again. as I frequently 
have several hundred emails in the morning, this is driving me nuts, so, I'm 
doing my mail using my old iPhone 6. is anyone else having this problem? If so, 
please tell, otherwise, I shall try some resets et cetera.
thanks, Sandy

Sent from The dark side of the moon

> On 20 Nov 2019, at 23:05, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Has she updated to the latest 13.2.3 update?
> The Voiceover problems after a call were an issue in the earlier iOS 13 
> releases, but seem to have been fixed entirely with iOS 13.2 and we are now 
> on 13.2.3 with 13.3 already in Beta for some time, wouldn't be surprised if 
> 13.3 came out for the public either before Christmas or in the first part of 
> January.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of brian 
> albriton
> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 9:24 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3
> 
> With iOS 13, my wife's 6s crashes voiceoVer after an AIRA call. We are going 
> to look in to this with Apple accessibility. 
> 
>> On Nov 19, 2019, at 7:16 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> There are bugs one can work around and some one can't.
>> I did actually forget about the dictation issue, this actually is a 
>> super-annoying issue and there is no work-around except to take a Bluetooth 
>> keyboard and type the message, so yes, I guess that is a work-around but 
>> only if I am near my Bluetooth keyboard. Of course for people who only 
>> speak/use English this is not a problem.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Anthony Vece
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 10:56 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3
>> 
>> Just reload the message
>> 
>> Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!
>> 
>>> On Nov 19, 2019, at 1:32 PM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Anthony
>>> 
>>> Like that friend of mine that encounters the fade-in speech bug or the 
>>> dictation bug whereas your second dictation line behaves in another 
>>> installed language ... how would you wirkaround these bugs?
>>> If one is using the native mail app constantly there is no way to rule the 
>>> focus. But if mail and notifications don't matter you there is no reason 
>>> not to update.
>>> Davy
>>> 
>>> -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Anthony Vece
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 5:31 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3
>>> 
>>> Hi everybody;
>>> I have been using Apple products and it’s accompanying software for the 
>>> past 10 years.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I’ve always worked around Boggs.
>>> Nothing is perfect.
>>> That’s a fact of life and software.
>>> I believe everyone will be much happier if they learnto work around the 
>>> bugs.
>>> If you encounter a bug just report them to Apple Accessibility.
>>> Hope this helps
>>> Anthony
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!
>>> 
 On Nov 19, 2019, at 10:26 AM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:
 
 No, please stay where you are!
 
 The bugs are becoming funnier and funnier.
 Yesterday I read on facebook, several American english synthesizers can 
 even not pronounce the word gun and speak it as gna or something like this.
 A friend of mine which is a music producer and extremely advanced ios and 
 mac os user with the use of protools and all that sound stuff, he has the 
 bug since ios13.2. that his voiceover is fading-in each time when he takes 
 his iphone after let say 30 seconds of rest.
 So stay on ios12 like I do.
 Davy
 -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Joe Orozco
 Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 2:49 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3
 
 Are we at a point where iOS 13 is recommended? I'm still hanging 
 steady on iOS 12.
 
 Joe
 
>> On 11/18/19, Richard Turner  wrote:
> A comment on Applevis.com, one person said that braille screen 
> input now works everywhere on the home screen.
> That was all that was mentioned for VoiceOver users, and since I do 
> not use braille screen input, I know nothing more.
> HTH,
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch 
> with it."
> -- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, 
> by Jane Wagner
> 
> 
>> On Nov 18, 2019, at