RE: Whose cellular data is being used on a Facetime call?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

It is like with any Voip service, quality is much better than a regular phone 
call especially if both parties are using a fast LTE or WiFi connection.
Also, if you have people around the world you speak to where despite the huge 
drop in long distance rates it still costs money, then using Facetime Audio (or 
Facetime which means with video) or any other service such as Skype, Facebook 
Messenger, WhatsApp etc. makes a lot of sense. As long as you are on WiFi the 
call is free, I could be sitting at the airport in Manila or Singapore and call 
my friend in Germany without having to pay a cent.
As for audio vs video, an audio only connection uses less data and there are 
times when I really don't need or want video such as on Sunday morning when my 
friend calls from Germany and I'm still lying in bed in my PJ's.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2020 11:28 AM
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Subject: RE: Whose cellular data is being used on a Facetime call?

What is the point of audio FaceTime? I didn't know there was such a thing. Are 
a FaceTime and a video call the same. 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Joshua Hendrickson
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2020 7:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Whose cellular data is being used on a Facetime call?

I do facetime calls with a friend of mine and we are both using WIFI.
I usually do audio facetime calls with my friend, although I have done a 
facetime video call with my sister a couple of times.

On 1/28/20, Brian K. Lingard  wrote:
> Dear Allen & list:
>
>
> Rather than guess at who pays for data used by a Facebook call, you 
> are best to just ask your cellular airtime provider. Then to will know for 
> sure.
>
> Yes, it’s wisest to only take or make Facebook calls when on WIFI.
>
> Mote that some WIFI networks block the ports used for Facebook & 
> Skype. This is usually cue to bandwidth limitations.
> Brian K. Lingard
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf of 
> Alan Lemli
> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2020 4:41 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Whose cellular data is being used on a Facetime call?
>
> Hi Anna,
>
> I suspect you're right. So, since my cellular data plan is extremely 
> limited, I don't want to participate in a Facetime call unless I'm on 
> my wifi network.
>
> Alan
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anna Dresdner
> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2020 3:29 PM
> To: VIPhone Mailing List
> Subject: Re: Whose cellular data is being used on a Facetime call?
>
> Hi Alan,
>
> My guess is that each person is charged for the data they use.
>
> Best,
> Anna
> On Jan 27, 2020, at 3:21 PM, Alan Lemli   > wrote:
>
> Hi List,
>
> I've recently learned that Facetime also has an audio calling feature 
> when contacting someone with an Apple device. Facetime calls are 
> routed over the internet as opposed to using cell plan minutes. My 
> question is which caller on a Facetime call is being charged for 
> cellular data if they are not on wifi? I normally would expect the one 
> initiating the call would be charged but I'm not sure both parties aren't 
> being charged which is why I'm asking.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Alan Lemli
>
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RE: From Apple Insider: 'Ring's app caught spying on users, sharing data with third-parties By Mike Peterson Tuesday, January 28, 2020,

[Sieghard Weitzel]

What does the Ring Doorbell have to do with Android in particular? It sounded 
to me that this affects any Ring user whether they use Android or iOS.


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Merv Keck
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2020 2:46 PM
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Subject: RE: From Apple Insider: 'Ring's app caught spying on users, sharing 
data with third-parties By Mike Peterson Tuesday, January 28, 2020,

This is no surprise. Isn't Android French for Please Hack my phone?


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mr. Ed
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2020 5:41 PM
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Subject: RE: From Apple Insider: 'Ring's app caught spying on users, sharing 
data with third-parties By Mike Peterson Tuesday, January 28, 2020,

There watching you so smile real big. 
Mr. Ed

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Steve Matzura
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2020 3:50 PM
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Subject: Re: From Apple Insider: 'Ring's app caught spying on users, sharing 
data with third-parties By Mike Peterson Tuesday, January 28, 2020,

Oh I just absolutely love that tag! Article's pretty great, too (LOL). 
Just what we need to hear, in light of what we already know and probably 
suspect.


On 1/28/2020 3:56 PM, Richard Turner wrote:
> Amazon's Ring for Android app is loaded with third-party trackers 
> harvesting a "plethora" of customer data, a new investigation claims 
> -and an Amazon engineer for the product wants it completely shut down.
> The Electronic Frontier Foundation has discovered that third-party 
> tracking software within the Ring doorbell app is sending customer 
> data to four analytics and marketing companies, including Facebook, 
> Google, MixPanel and AppsFlyer. That data includes personally 
> identifiable information such as names and private IP addresses.
> Facebook, for example, is alerted when users open the Ring app, as 
> well as when they perform certain device actions. Mobile analytics 
> company AppsFlyer is sent a similar mix of data, but also receives 
> information collected from a device's sensors including its gyroscope 
> and magnetometer. The information sent to MixPanel, another data 
> analytics firm, includes a user's full name, email address, device 
> data and app settings. While Ring also sends data to Google's 
> Crashalytics service, the EFF wasn't able to determine the extent of 
> the sharing in the report published on Tuesday . The EFF points out 
> that even small bits of user data can be combined by tracking firms to 
> create a larger picture of a user's digital habits. That "fingerprint"
> could allow third-party companies to surveil what users are doing 
> across various apps and devices. Importantly, the nonprofit group 
> claims that this tracking is taking place without a user's knowledge, 
> consent or ability to disable it.
> The data collected is sent over encrypted HTTPS and is delivered in a 
> way that eludes analysis, the EFF said. The investigation's 
> methodology included observing that data flow via man-in-the-middle 
> techniques, a tactic often used by hackers to intercept internet traffic.
> Since the EFF investigation focused on Ring's Android app, it isn't 
> clear whether the iOS version has similar privacy risks.
> Apple's App Store Review Guidelines do include provisions that protect 
> users from many data collection practices, however.
> In light of the potential for abuse and other privacy risks, at least 
> one Amazon engineer is calling for the smart doorbell company to be 
> shut down. "The deployment of connected home security cameras that 
> allow footage to be queried centrally are simply not compatible with a 
> free society.
> The privacy issues are not fixable with regulation and there is no 
> balance that can be struck," said Max Eliaser in a Medium post . "Ring 
> should be shut down immediately and not brought back.
> Repeat offender This isn't the first time Ring has been in the 
> spotlight for alleged privacy blunders. In 2019, The Intercept 
> reported that both engineers and executives at Ring had "highly 
> privileged access" to live feeds from customer cameras.
> And earlier this month, Ring fired four employees who had allegedly 
> abused that access to spy on customers. Privacy advocates have also 
> raised concerns about Ring's links to law enforcement , as well as the 
> potential implementation of facial recognition in a platform already 
> beset by surveillance and privacy controversies. .
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Re: Whose cellular data is being used on a Facetime call?

[Esther]

I also find that the voice is clearer in Facetime calls.  It's pretty neat!  
Esther


Sent From My Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+

> On Jan 28, 2020, at 9:18 PM, Anne West  wrote:
> 
> Joshua and all.
> 
> I too find that Face Time calls are much clearer than regular calls. I use 
> Face Time when calling an iPhone. Audio calls use less battery than video. 
> The only thing I don't like about Face Time is that a caller can not leave 
> voice mail.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
> Hendrickson
> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2020 15:29
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Whose cellular data is being used on a Facetime call?
> 
> I talk to a friend of mine with a facetime audio call because the overall 
> quality of the call is better then if I called and used my regular phone 
> service.
> 
>> On 1/28/20, Steve Matzura  wrote:
>> The answer is simple and should end all discourse. If a 
>> handset--phone, tablet--is on a Wi-Fi network, it's off the cellular 
>> grid and no charges occur. Reverse the conditions--phone is not on a 
>> Wi-Fi network--the data meter is running. It has nothing whatsoever to 
>> do with who is on a call, whether it's telephone, FaceTime, WhatsApp, 
>> Periscope, Backpack Studio, Google Duo, YouTube, Downcast, Overcast, 
>> Apple or Google Maps, iCloud Drive, Spotify, Apple Music, or any 
>> application that accesses data wirelessly. It's only to do with the 
>> network which the individual phone is using. Home Wi-Fi (and some 
>> public Wi-Fi networks) are free; the network provided by the cell 
>> phone service provider allows a certain amount of data to be 
>> transferred per month, after which any additional data transfer is 
>> charged to the customer account according to a published fee schedule. 
>> Short version: If I'm talking to you on Zello and I'm on a Wi-Fi 
>> network and you're not, my usage is free, while yours is running up 
>> the bytes against your monthly cellular network data allotment.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 1/28/2020 2:47 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:
>>> 
>>> Brian,
>>> 
>>> I agree that guessing who gets charged cellular data for one of these 
>>> calls isn't smart but I expect it's as others have said that both 
>>> parties on the call are getting charged. And I know how popular 
>>> Facebook is with the masses but these are Facetime, not Facebook, calls.
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Who loves to listen to air trafic controlers

[Andy Baracco]

I like live ATC.

Andy

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Subject: Who loves to listen to air trafic controlers



What is every ones fave ios app for listening to air trafic controlers

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Re: Who loves to listen to air trafic controlers

[Scott Berry]

Hi Adrian,


My fav is Liveatc.



On 1/28/2020 7:25 PM, 'adrian Leong' via VIPhone wrote:

What is every ones fave ios app for listening to air trafic controlers

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Who loves to listen to air trafic controlers

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What is every ones fave ios app for listening to air trafic controlers

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RE: Whose cellular data is being used on a Facetime call?

[Anne West]

Joshua and all.

I too find that Face Time calls are much clearer than regular calls. I use Face 
Time when calling an iPhone. Audio calls use less battery than video. The only 
thing I don't like about Face Time is that a caller can not leave voice mail.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2020 15:29
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Whose cellular data is being used on a Facetime call?

I talk to a friend of mine with a facetime audio call because the overall 
quality of the call is better then if I called and used my regular phone 
service.

On 1/28/20, Steve Matzura  wrote:
> The answer is simple and should end all discourse. If a 
> handset--phone, tablet--is on a Wi-Fi network, it's off the cellular 
> grid and no charges occur. Reverse the conditions--phone is not on a 
> Wi-Fi network--the data meter is running. It has nothing whatsoever to 
> do with who is on a call, whether it's telephone, FaceTime, WhatsApp, 
> Periscope, Backpack Studio, Google Duo, YouTube, Downcast, Overcast, 
> Apple or Google Maps, iCloud Drive, Spotify, Apple Music, or any 
> application that accesses data wirelessly. It's only to do with the 
> network which the individual phone is using. Home Wi-Fi (and some 
> public Wi-Fi networks) are free; the network provided by the cell 
> phone service provider allows a certain amount of data to be 
> transferred per month, after which any additional data transfer is 
> charged to the customer account according to a published fee schedule. 
> Short version: If I'm talking to you on Zello and I'm on a Wi-Fi 
> network and you're not, my usage is free, while yours is running up 
> the bytes against your monthly cellular network data allotment.
>
>
> On 1/28/2020 2:47 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:
>>
>> Brian,
>>
>> I agree that guessing who gets charged cellular data for one of these 
>> calls isn't smart but I expect it's as others have said that both 
>> parties on the call are getting charged. And I know how popular 
>> Facebook is with the masses but these are Facetime, not Facebook, calls.
>>
>>
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A couple of questions about the Logitech G613 Lightspeed Wireless mechanical gaming keyboard

[Alan Lemly]

Hi Sieghard and List,

 

I received my Logitech G613 Lightspeed keyboard today and very much like its
look and feel. I have a couple of questions I hope you can help me with:

 

1.   Along the top of the keyboard diagonally and to the right of the F12
function key are 3 round buttons. Actually, the leftmost one of these is
actually a slider switch and I believe the 2 actuall buttons to its right
are for selecting either Bluetooth or USB operation. My question is what is
that slider switch for? I've been told it might have a picture of a joystick
on it but I'm quite perplexed as to its function. There also appears to be
one more slider switch on the right side edge toward the top which is in a
down position. I'm thinking maybe this is some sort of power on and off
switch but I'm seeking confirmation.

2.   My last question concerns powering this keyboard. Does it have user
replaceable batteries and if so, where is the battery compartment? The
keyboard is not rechargeable so I'm curious how I will keep it powered.

 

Thanks in advance for any help you can provide.

 

Alan Lemly

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RE: From Apple Insider: 'Ring's app caught spying on users, sharing data with third-parties By Mike Peterson Tuesday, January 28, 2020,

[Merv Keck]

This is no surprise. Isn't Android French for Please Hack my phone?


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Subject: RE: From Apple Insider: 'Ring's app caught spying on users, sharing 
data with third-parties By Mike Peterson Tuesday, January 28, 2020,

There watching you so smile real big. 
Mr. Ed

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Subject: Re: From Apple Insider: 'Ring's app caught spying on users, sharing 
data with third-parties By Mike Peterson Tuesday, January 28, 2020,

Oh I just absolutely love that tag! Article's pretty great, too (LOL). 
Just what we need to hear, in light of what we already know and probably 
suspect.


On 1/28/2020 3:56 PM, Richard Turner wrote:
> Amazon's Ring for Android app is loaded with third-party trackers 
> harvesting a "plethora" of customer data, a new investigation claims 
> -and an Amazon engineer for the product wants it completely shut down. 
> The Electronic Frontier Foundation has discovered that third-party 
> tracking software within the Ring doorbell app is sending customer 
> data to four analytics and marketing companies, including Facebook, 
> Google, MixPanel and AppsFlyer. That data includes personally 
> identifiable information such as names and private IP addresses. 
> Facebook, for example, is alerted when users open the Ring app, as 
> well as when they perform certain device actions. Mobile analytics 
> company AppsFlyer is sent a similar mix of data, but also receives 
> information collected from a device's sensors including its gyroscope 
> and magnetometer. The information sent to MixPanel, another data 
> analytics firm, includes a user's full name, email address, device 
> data and app settings. While Ring also sends data to Google's 
> Crashalytics service, the EFF wasn't able to determine the extent of 
> the sharing in the report published on Tuesday . The EFF points out 
> that even small bits of user data can be combined by tracking firms to 
> create a larger picture of a user's digital habits. That "fingerprint" 
> could allow third-party companies to surveil what users are doing 
> across various apps and devices. Importantly, the nonprofit group 
> claims that this tracking is taking place without a user's knowledge, 
> consent or ability to disable it.
> The data collected is sent over encrypted HTTPS and is delivered in a 
> way that eludes analysis, the EFF said. The investigation's 
> methodology included observing that data flow via man-in-the-middle 
> techniques, a tactic often used by hackers to intercept internet traffic.
> Since the EFF investigation focused on Ring's Android app, it isn't 
> clear whether the iOS version has similar privacy risks.
> Apple's App Store Review Guidelines do include provisions that protect 
> users from many data collection practices, however.
> In light of the potential for abuse and other privacy risks, at least 
> one Amazon engineer is calling for the smart doorbell company to be 
> shut down. "The deployment of connected home security cameras that 
> allow footage to be queried centrally are simply not compatible with a 
> free society.
> The privacy issues are not fixable with regulation and there is no 
> balance that can be struck," said Max Eliaser in a Medium post . "Ring 
> should be shut down immediately and not brought back.
> Repeat offender This isn't the first time Ring has been in the 
> spotlight for alleged privacy blunders. In 2019, The Intercept 
> reported that both engineers and executives at Ring had "highly 
> privileged access" to live feeds from customer cameras.
> And earlier this month, Ring fired four employees who had allegedly 
> abused that access to spy on customers. Privacy advocates have also 
> raised concerns about Ring's links to law enforcement , as well as the 
> potential implementation of facial recognition in a platform already 
> beset by surveillance and privacy controversies. .
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RE: From Apple Insider: 'Ring's app caught spying on users, sharing data with third-parties By Mike Peterson Tuesday, January 28, 2020,

[Mr. Ed]

There watching you so smile real big. 
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Steve Matzura
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2020 3:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: From Apple Insider: 'Ring's app caught spying on users, sharing 
data with third-parties By Mike Peterson Tuesday, January 28, 2020,

Oh I just absolutely love that tag! Article's pretty great, too (LOL). 
Just what we need to hear, in light of what we already know and probably 
suspect.


On 1/28/2020 3:56 PM, Richard Turner wrote:
> Amazon's Ring for Android app is loaded with third-party trackers 
> harvesting a "plethora" of customer data, a new investigation claims 
> -and an Amazon engineer for the product wants it completely shut down. 
> The Electronic Frontier Foundation has discovered that third-party 
> tracking software within the Ring doorbell app is sending customer 
> data to four analytics and marketing companies, including Facebook, 
> Google, MixPanel and AppsFlyer. That data includes personally 
> identifiable information such as names and private IP addresses. 
> Facebook, for example, is alerted when users open the Ring app, as 
> well as when they perform certain device actions. Mobile analytics 
> company AppsFlyer is sent a similar mix of data, but also receives 
> information collected from a device's sensors including its gyroscope 
> and magnetometer. The information sent to MixPanel, another data 
> analytics firm, includes a user's full name, email address, device 
> data and app settings. While Ring also sends data to Google's 
> Crashalytics service, the EFF wasn't able to determine the extent of 
> the sharing in the report published on Tuesday . The EFF points out 
> that even small bits of user data can be combined by tracking firms to 
> create a larger picture of a user's digital habits. That "fingerprint" 
> could allow third-party companies to surveil what users are doing 
> across various apps and devices. Importantly, the nonprofit group 
> claims that this tracking is taking place without a user's knowledge, 
> consent or ability to disable it.
> The data collected is sent over encrypted HTTPS and is delivered in a 
> way that eludes analysis, the EFF said. The investigation's 
> methodology included observing that data flow via man-in-the-middle 
> techniques, a tactic often used by hackers to intercept internet traffic.
> Since the EFF investigation focused on Ring's Android app, it isn't 
> clear whether the iOS version has similar privacy risks.
> Apple's App Store Review Guidelines do include provisions that protect 
> users from many data collection practices, however.
> In light of the potential for abuse and other privacy risks, at least 
> one Amazon engineer is calling for the smart doorbell company to be 
> shut down. "The deployment of connected home security cameras that 
> allow footage to be queried centrally are simply not compatible with a 
> free society.
> The privacy issues are not fixable with regulation and there is no 
> balance that can be struck," said Max Eliaser in a Medium post . "Ring 
> should be shut down immediately and not brought back.
> Repeat offender This isn't the first time Ring has been in the 
> spotlight for alleged privacy blunders. In 2019, The Intercept 
> reported that both engineers and executives at Ring had "highly 
> privileged access" to live feeds from customer cameras.
> And earlier this month, Ring fired four employees who had allegedly 
> abused that access to spy on customers. Privacy advocates have also 
> raised concerns about Ring's links to law enforcement , as well as the 
> potential implementation of facial recognition in a platform already 
> beset by surveillance and privacy controversies. .
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Re: From Apple Insider: 'Ring's app caught spying on users, sharing data with third-parties By Mike Peterson Tuesday, January 28, 2020,

[Steve Matzura]

Oh I just absolutely love that tag! Article's pretty great, too (LOL). 
Just what we need to hear, in light of what we already know and probably 
suspect.



On 1/28/2020 3:56 PM, Richard Turner wrote:
Amazon's Ring for Android app is loaded with third-party trackers 
harvesting a "plethora" of customer data, a new investigation claims 
-and an Amazon engineer for the product wants it completely shut down. 
The Electronic Frontier Foundation has discovered that third-party 
tracking software within the Ring doorbell app is sending customer 
data to four analytics and marketing companies, including Facebook, 
Google, MixPanel and AppsFlyer. That data includes personally 
identifiable information such as names and private IP addresses. 
Facebook, for example, is alerted when users open the Ring app, as 
well as when they perform certain device actions. Mobile analytics 
company AppsFlyer is sent a similar mix of data, but also receives 
information collected from a device's sensors including its gyroscope 
and magnetometer. The information sent to MixPanel, another data 
analytics firm, includes a user's full name, email address, device 
data and app settings. While Ring also sends data to Google's 
Crashalytics service, the EFF wasn't able to determine the extent of 
the sharing in the report published on Tuesday . The EFF points out 
that even small bits of user data can be combined by tracking firms to 
create a larger picture of a user's digital habits. That "fingerprint" 
could allow third-party companies to surveil what users are doing 
across various apps and devices. Importantly, the nonprofit group 
claims that this tracking is taking place without a user's knowledge, 
consent or ability to disable it.
The data collected is sent over encrypted HTTPS and is delivered in a 
way that eludes analysis, the EFF said. The investigation's 
methodology included observing that data flow via man-in-the-middle 
techniques, a tactic often used by hackers to intercept internet traffic.
Since the EFF investigation focused on Ring's Android app, it isn't 
clear whether the iOS version has similar privacy risks.
Apple's App Store Review Guidelines do include provisions that protect 
users from many data collection practices, however.
In light of the potential for abuse and other privacy risks, at least 
one Amazon engineer is calling for the smart doorbell company to be 
shut down. "The deployment of connected home security cameras that 
allow footage to be queried centrally are simply not compatible with a 
free society.
The privacy issues are not fixable with regulation and there is no 
balance that can be struck," said Max Eliaser in a Medium post . "Ring 
should be shut down immediately and not brought back.
Repeat offender This isn't the first time Ring has been in the 
spotlight for alleged privacy blunders. In 2019, The Intercept 
reported that both engineers and executives at Ring had "highly 
privileged access" to live feeds from customer cameras.
And earlier this month, Ring fired four employees who had allegedly 
abused that access to spy on customers. Privacy advocates have also 
raised concerns about Ring's links to law enforcement , as well as the 
potential implementation of facial recognition in a platform already 
beset by surveillance and privacy controversies. .




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Re: Two Apps On The Same IPad Screen?

[Anna Dresner]

Hi,

Touch the vertical line between the apps and flick up or down. One of the 
choices is to dismiss one of the apps.

Best,
Anna


> On Jan 28, 2020, at 4:23 PM, 'jan howells' via VIPhone 
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> Speaking of a split screen, how do you get rid of it? I went to a concert, 
> and I tried to take pictures.  No one knew how to get rid of the split 
> screen.  I thank anyone in advance who can assist me with this.
> 
> Jan Howells
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re: Two Apps On The Same IPad Screen?

['jan howells' via VIPhone]

Speaking of a split screen, how do you get rid of it? I went to a 
concert, and I tried to take pictures.  No one knew how to get 
rid of the split screen.  I thank anyone in advance who can 
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From Apple Insider: 'Ring's app caught spying on users, sharing data with third-parties By Mike Peterson Tuesday, January 28, 2020,

[Richard Turner]

Amazon's Ring for Android app is loaded with third-party trackers harvesting a 
"plethora" of customer data, a new investigation claims -and an Amazon engineer 
for the product wants it completely shut down. The Electronic Frontier 
Foundation has discovered that third-party tracking software within the Ring 
doorbell app is sending customer data to four analytics and marketing 
companies, including Facebook, Google, MixPanel and AppsFlyer. That data 
includes personally identifiable information such as names and private IP 
addresses. Facebook, for example, is alerted when users open the Ring app, as 
well as when they perform certain device actions. Mobile analytics company 
AppsFlyer is sent a similar mix of data, but also receives information 
collected from a device's sensors including its gyroscope and magnetometer. The 
information sent to MixPanel, another data analytics firm, includes a user's 
full name, email address, device data and app settings. While Ring also sends 
data to Google's Crashalytics service, the EFF wasn't able to determine the 
extent of the sharing in the report published on Tuesday . The EFF points out 
that even small bits of user data can be combined by tracking firms to create a 
larger picture of a user's digital habits. That "fingerprint" could allow 
third-party companies to surveil what users are doing across various apps and 
devices. Importantly, the nonprofit group claims that this tracking is taking 
place without a user's knowledge, consent or ability to disable it.
The data collected is sent over encrypted HTTPS and is delivered in a way that 
eludes analysis, the EFF said. The investigation's methodology included 
observing that data flow via man-in-the-middle techniques, a tactic often used 
by hackers to intercept internet traffic.
Since the EFF investigation focused on Ring's Android app, it isn't clear 
whether the iOS version has similar privacy risks.
Apple's App Store Review Guidelines do include provisions that protect users 
from many data collection practices, however.
In light of the potential for abuse and other privacy risks, at least one 
Amazon engineer is calling for the smart doorbell company to be shut down. "The 
deployment of connected home security cameras that allow footage to be queried 
centrally are simply not compatible with a free society.
The privacy issues are not fixable with regulation and there is no balance that 
can be struck," said Max Eliaser in a Medium post . "Ring should be shut down 
immediately and not brought back.
Repeat offender This isn't the first time Ring has been in the spotlight for 
alleged privacy blunders. In 2019, The Intercept reported that both engineers 
and executives at Ring had "highly privileged access" to live feeds from 
customer cameras.
And earlier this month, Ring fired four employees who had allegedly abused that 
access to spy on customers. Privacy advocates have also raised concerns about 
Ring's links to law enforcement , as well as the potential implementation of 
facial recognition in a platform already beset by surveillance and privacy 
controversies. .



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Re: Whose cellular data is being used on a Facetime call?

[Joshua Hendrickson]

I talk to a friend of mine with a facetime audio call because the
overall quality of the call is better then if I called and used my
regular phone service.

On 1/28/20, Steve Matzura  wrote:
> The answer is simple and should end all discourse. If a handset--phone,
> tablet--is on a Wi-Fi network, it's off the cellular grid and no charges
> occur. Reverse the conditions--phone is not on a Wi-Fi network--the data
> meter is running. It has nothing whatsoever to do with who is on a call,
> whether it's telephone, FaceTime, WhatsApp, Periscope, Backpack Studio,
> Google Duo, YouTube, Downcast, Overcast, Apple or Google Maps, iCloud
> Drive, Spotify, Apple Music, or any application that accesses data
> wirelessly. It's only to do with the network which the individual phone
> is using. Home Wi-Fi (and some public Wi-Fi networks) are free; the
> network provided by the cell phone service provider allows a certain
> amount of data to be transferred per month, after which any additional
> data transfer is charged to the customer account according to a
> published fee schedule. Short version: If I'm talking to you on Zello
> and I'm on a Wi-Fi network and you're not, my usage is free, while yours
> is running up the bytes against your monthly cellular network data
> allotment.
>
>
> On 1/28/2020 2:47 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:
>>
>> Brian,
>>
>> I agree that guessing who gets charged cellular data for one of these
>> calls isn't smart but I expect it's as others have said that both
>> parties on the call are getting charged. And I know how popular
>> Facebook is with the masses but these are Facetime, not Facebook, calls.
>>
>>
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Re: Whose cellular data is being used on a Facetime call?

[Steve Matzura]

The answer is simple and should end all discourse. If a handset--phone, 
tablet--is on a Wi-Fi network, it's off the cellular grid and no charges 
occur. Reverse the conditions--phone is not on a Wi-Fi network--the data 
meter is running. It has nothing whatsoever to do with who is on a call, 
whether it's telephone, FaceTime, WhatsApp, Periscope, Backpack Studio, 
Google Duo, YouTube, Downcast, Overcast, Apple or Google Maps, iCloud 
Drive, Spotify, Apple Music, or any application that accesses data 
wirelessly. It's only to do with the network which the individual phone 
is using. Home Wi-Fi (and some public Wi-Fi networks) are free; the 
network provided by the cell phone service provider allows a certain 
amount of data to be transferred per month, after which any additional 
data transfer is charged to the customer account according to a 
published fee schedule. Short version: If I'm talking to you on Zello 
and I'm on a Wi-Fi network and you're not, my usage is free, while yours 
is running up the bytes against your monthly cellular network data 
allotment.



On 1/28/2020 2:47 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:


Brian,

I agree that guessing who gets charged cellular data for one of these 
calls isn't smart but I expect it's as others have said that both 
parties on the call are getting charged. And I know how popular 
Facebook is with the masses but these are Facetime, not Facebook, calls.





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RE: Whose cellular data is being used on a Facetime call?

[Alan Lemly]

Brian,

 

I agree that guessing who gets charged cellular data for one of these calls 
isn't smart but I expect it's as others have said that both parties on the call 
are getting charged. And I know how popular Facebook is with the masses but 
these are Facetime, not Facebook, calls.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Brian K. Lingard
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2020 5:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Whose cellular data is being used on a Facetime call?

 

Dear Allen & list:

 

 

Rather than guess at who pays for data used by a Facebook call, you are best to 
just ask your cellular airtime provider. Then to will know for sure.

 

Yes, it’s wisest to only take or make Facebook calls when on WIFI.

 

Mote that some WIFI networks block the ports used for Facebook & Skype. This is 
usually cue to bandwidth limitations.

Brian K. Lingard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf of Alan 
Lemli
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2020 4:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Whose cellular data is being used on a Facetime call?

 

Hi Anna,

 

I suspect you're right. So, since my cellular data plan is extremely limited, I 
don't want to participate in a Facetime call unless I'm on my wifi network.

 

Alan

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Anna Dresdner
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2020 3:29 PM
To: VIPhone Mailing List
Subject: Re: Whose cellular data is being used on a Facetime call?

 

Hi Alan,

 

My guess is that each person is charged for the data they use.

 

Best,

Anna

On Jan 27, 2020, at 3:21 PM, Alan Lemli  wrote:

 

Hi List,

 

I've recently learned that Facetime also has an audio calling feature when 
contacting someone with an Apple device. Facetime calls are routed over the 
internet as opposed to using cell plan minutes. My question is which caller on 
a Facetime call is being charged for cellular data if they are not on wifi? I 
normally would expect the one initiating the call would be charged but I'm not 
sure both parties aren't being charged which is why I'm asking.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Alan Lemli

 

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RE: Whose cellular data is being used on a Facetime call?

[Carolyn]

What is the point of audio FaceTime? I didn't know there was such a thing. Are 
a FaceTime and a video call the same. 

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Joshua Hendrickson
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Subject: Re: Whose cellular data is being used on a Facetime call?

I do facetime calls with a friend of mine and we are both using WIFI.
I usually do audio facetime calls with my friend, although I have done a 
facetime video call with my sister a couple of times.

On 1/28/20, Brian K. Lingard  wrote:
> Dear Allen & list:
>
>
> Rather than guess at who pays for data used by a Facebook call, you 
> are best to just ask your cellular airtime provider. Then to will know for 
> sure.
>
> Yes, it’s wisest to only take or make Facebook calls when on WIFI.
>
> Mote that some WIFI networks block the ports used for Facebook & 
> Skype. This is usually cue to bandwidth limitations.
> Brian K. Lingard
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf of 
> Alan Lemli
> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2020 4:41 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Whose cellular data is being used on a Facetime call?
>
> Hi Anna,
>
> I suspect you're right. So, since my cellular data plan is extremely 
> limited, I don't want to participate in a Facetime call unless I'm on 
> my wifi network.
>
> Alan
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anna Dresdner
> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2020 3:29 PM
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> Subject: Re: Whose cellular data is being used on a Facetime call?
>
> Hi Alan,
>
> My guess is that each person is charged for the data they use.
>
> Best,
> Anna
> On Jan 27, 2020, at 3:21 PM, Alan Lemli   > wrote:
>
> Hi List,
>
> I've recently learned that Facetime also has an audio calling feature 
> when contacting someone with an Apple device. Facetime calls are 
> routed over the internet as opposed to using cell plan minutes. My 
> question is which caller on a Facetime call is being charged for 
> cellular data if they are not on wifi? I normally would expect the one 
> initiating the call would be charged but I'm not sure both parties aren't 
> being charged which is why I'm asking.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Alan Lemli
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RE: Whose cellular data is being used on a Facetime call?

[Anne West]

I go into the My Verizon app and look at data usage for everyone on my plan. 
Other carriers will be different. The info is current when checking.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Fazil
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2020 2:47
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Whose cellular data is being used on a Facetime call?

 

Where can I check that, please?

Thanks!

 

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Sent: Monday, January 27, 2020 9:43 PM
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You cannot set such a limit, it would be up to you to check your cellular data 
usage and make sure you aren’t going over your limit.

 

 

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Sent: Monday, January 27, 2020 1:44 PM
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Subject: RE: Whose cellular data is being used on a Facetime call?

 

How can I set a limit of 900 Mag to my cellular data for a billing cycle?

The reason I am asking this for is that my new plan gives me cellular data of 
one-GB only. Mostly I use my phone via wi-fi but occasionally I need cellular 
data.

Is there a way that I can tell the system stop using cellular data when the 
limit of 900 mag is up?

Thanks!

 

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anna Dresner
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2020 1:29 PM
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Subject: Re: Whose cellular data is being used on a Facetime call?

 

Hi alan,

 

My guess is that each person is charged for the data they use.

 

Best,

Anna

 

 

On Jan 27, 2020, at 3:21 PM, Alan Lemly mailto:wale...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi List,

 

I've recently learned that Facetime also has an audio calling feature when 
contacting someone with an Apple device. Facetime calls are routed over the 
internet as opposed to using cell plan minutes. My question is which caller on 
a Facetime call is being charged for cellular data if they are not on wifi? I 
normally would expect the one initiating the call would be charged but I'm not 
sure both parties aren't being charged which is why I'm asking.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Alan Lemly

 

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RE: Siri question.

[Carolyn]

I did not think you could, but then, I didn't think I could just, while in 
phone conversation go to Phone, Keypad, and enter my passcode for AT, but the 
lady said I could, and I did. 

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PRAMIT BHARGAVA
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Hi Carolyn,

No, you cannot ask Siri anything while on call, reason being when you say 
something to Siri the voice passes through microphone and during a call it is 
already occupied as it's being used while replying to person at the other end.

Hope this helps

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RE: Where does one go to check for apps running in background, in order to try to preserve battery?

[Carolyn]

I'm a nut to do that, but during the night, the phone loses about 1 percent an 
hour when not in use. 

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There is a setting for Background app refresh under settings, general.
But, the main thing, is to clear the app switcher when you are done using an 
app.



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I checked in General and in iPhone Storage, but couldn't figure out where to go 
to check for things I might stop from running in the background and that sort 
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RE: Whose cellular data is being used on a Facetime call?

[Alan Lemly]

Pramit,

 

Thanks very much for these helpful setting instructions for managing a low 
cellular data plan. Ive set up a recurring Outlook reminder to reset my 
cellular data statistics on the first day of each month my billing plan changes 
and I've got low cellular data turned on.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
PRAMIT BHARGAVA
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2020 12:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Whose cellular data is being used on a Facetime call?

 

For users with monthly data cap, the easiest way to keep a check on data limit 
is to Reset Usage Statistics of the Cellular Data on monthly basis and to do 
this just go to Settings > Cellular > Scroll down and you'll get find Reset 
Statistics.

Also Enable the low data mode for cellular data by going through Settings > 
Cellular > Cellular Data option > Scroll Down and Enable Low data mode.

 

With the above 2 options one can easily keep a track on the cellular data 
usage, also less data will be utilized.

 

Hope this helps! 

Pramit

 

On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 11:12 AM Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

You cannot set such a limit, it would be up to you to check your cellular data 
usage and make sure you aren’t going over your limit.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Fazil
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2020 1:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Whose cellular data is being used on a Facetime call?

 

How can I set a limit of 900 Mag to my cellular data for a billing cycle?

The reason I am asking this for is that my new plan gives me cellular data of 
one-GB only. Mostly I use my phone via wi-fi but occasionally I need cellular 
data.

Is there a way that I can tell the system stop using cellular data when the 
limit of 900 mag is up?

Thanks!

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Anna Dresner
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2020 1:29 PM
To: VIPhone Mailing List 
Subject: Re: Whose cellular data is being used on a Facetime call?

 

Hi alan,

 

My guess is that each person is charged for the data they use.

 

Best,

Anna

 

 

On Jan 27, 2020, at 3:21 PM, Alan Lemly  wrote:

 

Hi List,

 

I've recently learned that Facetime also has an audio calling feature when 
contacting someone with an Apple device. Facetime calls are routed over the 
internet as opposed to using cell plan minutes. My question is which caller on 
a Facetime call is being charged for cellular data if they are not on wifi? I 
normally would expect the one initiating the call would be charged but I'm not 
sure both parties aren't being charged which is why I'm asking.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Alan Lemly

 

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RE: Whose cellular data is being used on a Facetime call?

[Anne West]

Both video and audio Face Time calls use data.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2020 16:41
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Whose cellular data is being used on a Facetime call?

 

Hi Anna,

 

I suspect you're right. So since my cellular data plan is extremely limited, I 
don't want to participate in a Facetime call unless I'm on my wifi network.

 

Alan

 

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anna Dresner
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2020 3:29 PM
To: VIPhone Mailing List
Subject: Re: Whose cellular data is being used on a Facetime call?

 

Hi alan,

 

My guess is that each person is charged for the data they use.

 

Best,

Anna

 

 

On Jan 27, 2020, at 3:21 PM, Alan Lemly mailto:wale...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi List,

 

I've recently learned that Facetime also has an audio calling feature when 
contacting someone with an Apple device. Facetime calls are routed over the 
internet as opposed to using cell plan minutes. My question is which caller on 
a Facetime call is being charged for cellular data if they are not on wifi? I 
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sure both parties aren't being charged which is why I'm asking.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Alan Lemly

 

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Re: Two Apps On The Same IPad Screen?

[Anna Dresner]

Hi Arnold,

Yes, you can have two apps on an iPad screen. The second app you want to open 
needs to be in the dock. when the first one is open, touch near the bottom of 
the iPad screen and slide your finger up until you hear a click. Then slide it 
back down and then lift your finger. When you find the app on the dock that you 
want to open, flick up or down. You have the option to open the second app in 
split view or slide over. With split view, each app takes up part of the 
screen. with slide over, the second app floats on top of the first. I find 
split view more reliable. There's a line between the two apps. You can flick up 
and down for options to control how much of the screen each one takes.

applevis did a great podcast on this in September; I recommend that you check 
it out for more details.

Best,
Anna


> On Jan 28, 2020, at 12:37 PM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
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> I  was told today that one can have two different apps running at the same 
> time, using the split screen feature on an iPad. Using VoiceOver, how would 
> you get the two apps onto the screen? And then, I guess one could drag things 
> between them? Thanks for any information. 
> 
> Arnold Schmidt 
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Two Apps On The Same IPad Screen?

[Arnold Schmidt]

I  was told today that one can have two different apps running at the same 
time, using the split screen feature on an iPad. Using VoiceOver, how would you 
get the two apps onto the screen? And then, I guess one could drag things 
between them? Thanks for any information. 

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Re: Whose cellular data is being used on a Facetime call?

[Joshua Hendrickson]

I do facetime calls with a friend of mine and we are both using WIFI.
I usually do audio facetime calls with my friend, although I have done
a facetime video call with my sister a couple of times.

On 1/28/20, Brian K. Lingard  wrote:
> Dear Allen & list:
>
>
> Rather than guess at who pays for data used by a Facebook call, you are best
> to just ask your cellular airtime provider. Then to will know for sure.
>
> Yes, it’s wisest to only take or make Facebook calls when on WIFI.
>
> Mote that some WIFI networks block the ports used for Facebook & Skype. This
> is usually cue to bandwidth limitations.
> Brian K. Lingard
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf of Alan
> Lemli
> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2020 4:41 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Whose cellular data is being used on a Facetime call?
>
> Hi Anna,
>
> I suspect you're right. So, since my cellular data plan is extremely
> limited, I don't want to participate in a Facetime call unless I'm on my
> wifi network.
>
> Alan
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anna Dresdner
> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2020 3:29 PM
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> Subject: Re: Whose cellular data is being used on a Facetime call?
>
> Hi Alan,
>
> My guess is that each person is charged for the data they use.
>
> Best,
> Anna
> On Jan 27, 2020, at 3:21 PM, Alan Lemli   > wrote:
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> Hi List,
>
> I've recently learned that Facetime also has an audio calling feature when
> contacting someone with an Apple device. Facetime calls are routed over the
> internet as opposed to using cell plan minutes. My question is which caller
> on a Facetime call is being charged for cellular data if they are not on
> wifi? I normally would expect the one initiating the call would be charged
> but I'm not sure both parties aren't being charged which is why I'm asking.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Alan Lemli
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RE: Whose cellular data is being used on a Facetime call?

[Brian K. Lingard]

Dear Allen & list:
 
 
Rather than guess at who pays for data used by a Facebook call, you are best to 
just ask your cellular airtime provider. Then to will know for sure.
 
Yes, it’s wisest to only take or make Facebook calls when on WIFI.
 
Mote that some WIFI networks block the ports used for Facebook & Skype. This is 
usually cue to bandwidth limitations.
Brian K. Lingard
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf of Alan 
Lemli
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2020 4:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Whose cellular data is being used on a Facetime call?
 
Hi Anna,
 
I suspect you're right. So, since my cellular data plan is extremely limited, I 
don't want to participate in a Facetime call unless I'm on my wifi network.
 
Alan
 
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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anna Dresdner
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2020 3:29 PM
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Subject: Re: Whose cellular data is being used on a Facetime call?
 
Hi Alan,
 
My guess is that each person is charged for the data they use.
 
Best,
Anna
On Jan 27, 2020, at 3:21 PM, Alan Lemli mailto:wale...@gmail.com> > wrote:
 
Hi List,
 
I've recently learned that Facetime also has an audio calling feature when 
contacting someone with an Apple device. Facetime calls are routed over the 
internet as opposed to using cell plan minutes. My question is which caller on 
a Facetime call is being charged for cellular data if they are not on wifi? I 
normally would expect the one initiating the call would be charged but I'm not 
sure both parties aren't being charged which is why I'm asking.
 
Thanks in advance.
 
Alan Lemli
 

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