Re: VoiceOver issue with typing feedback in messages app iOS 14.4

[Lielle Ben Simonליאל בן סימון]

Hi Shai and all, it's happends to me when i am looking for something on 
Whatsapp. I am not expierenceing on Messages.

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> ‫ב-2 במרץ 2021, בשעה 8:21, ‏‏Shai ‏ כתב/ה:‬
> 
> Hello all,
> In messages on iOS 14.4 I notice that when I am typing VoiceOver will
> not announce the word that I have typed when I press the spacebar even
> though I have words set as typing feedback under
> accessibility/voiceover/typing.
> Has anyone else noticed this issue?
> 
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VoiceOver issue with typing feedback in messages app iOS 14.4

[Shai]

Hello all,
In messages on iOS 14.4 I notice that when I am typing VoiceOver will
not announce the word that I have typed when I press the spacebar even
though I have words set as typing feedback under
accessibility/voiceover/typing.
Has anyone else noticed this issue?

-- 
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Wolman technologies
(619)894-6587
Providing training to children and adults that empowers them to be
productive and successful with their assistive technology/computing
tasks.
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Re: WordPress Posts and iOS

[Donna Casteen]

Hi,

Have her turn the rotor to Screen Recognition. Have her flick to turn it On, if 
On flick to turn Screen Recognition Off. Some instances Screen Recognition is a 
helpful, in other cases Screen Recognition makes websites & apps unusable.

Donna
 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> A friend of mine is having trouble seeing posts she is sharing on
> social media from her WordPress site. When you swipe with Voiceover,
> it just clicks but does not give any information about the post. It’s
> like a blank spot. This is strange behavior, because posts I share
> from my own WordPress site display just fine. Has anyone else seen
> this behavior? I’m logged into her site, but I don’t see any
> noticeable glitches in her settings. I can’t tell if the problem is
> Voiceover or WP. Thank you for any help.
> 
> Joe
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RE: Sharing your goodreads profile

[Gerardo Corripio]

I’ve only been able to share my profile, from within sharing either “Want to Read” or the “Read books” page from within the Share sheet in the ap. Good luck!   Enviado desde Correo para Windows 10 De: Maria ReyesEnviado: lunes, 1 de marzo de 2021 10:21 p. m.Para: via VIPhoneAsunto: Sharing your goodreads profile Hi. I've done this many times and I can't remember how to do it. But how do I share my goodreads profile through the app?  want to talk about all aspects of blindness? Join the blind chatroom list by sending an email to blind-chatroom-requ...@freelists.org with subscribe in the subject  -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/F1DC9EF3-43F0-40AD-A8DC-95ABEA3F6D21%40gmail.com. 



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Sharing your goodreads profile

[Maria Reyes]

Hi. 
I've done this many times and I can't remember how to do it. But how do I share 
my goodreads profile through the app? 

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RE: Comparing VoiceOver And NVDA

[Marco Curralejo]

We have done comparisons between NVDA, Jaws, Dolphin and Windows Narrator in 
the past few episodes of Blind Tech Guys, so it may well be worthwhile checking 
those out.

www.blindtechguys.com  

 

If people are interested, we will look at doing a comparison between VoiceOver, 
Commentary and Talkback

 

Cheers,

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Simon A 
Fogarty
Sent: Tuesday, 2 March 2021 3:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Comparing VoiceOver And NVDA

 

Having used jaws, narrator,

NvdA

Voiceover and talkback,

 

Jaws is definatly my choice with windows,

And voiceover on the mac obviously, NvDA I haven’t used enough to make a highly 
informed decision  but with enterprise systems and in some cases through remote 
desktop connections,

Jaws works better for me.

 

As for the mobile side of things,

 

To me voiceover Is still out in front,

But talkback gets better with each release 

 

But then of course you get the likes of Samsung trying to create their own 
products which although do some things,

Voiceover just works on / with everything in most  cases.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Tuesday, 2 March 2021 3:53 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Comparing VoiceOver And NVDA

 

True, and Microsoft and Narrator deserve credit for that, but just because 
you’re moving faster then someone in front of you doesn’t mean you’ve 
necessarily caught them yet. I don’t know if this is the case with Narrator and 
VoiceOver, since I don’t use VoiceOver on the Mac myself. I heard this a lot 
with Talk Back and VoiceOver, and although there was a time when Talk Back was 
making huge strides, and it did get to the point where it was a viable option, 
I’m not sure I’d ever say that it ended up heads and shoulders above VoiceOver. 
I’m not saying Talk Back doesn’t have it’s pros and there are definitely people 
who like Talk Back’s features, and choice is and options are good!

 

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Christopher (AKA CJ)

Chaltain at Outlook

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, March 1, 2021 9:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Comparing VoiceOver And NVDA

 

It's a bit general, but of course everybody is more or less biessed towards 
whatever system they use, in my case that would be Windows and Jaws and some 
are more biessed than others. If anything I would say that if you compare free 
screenreaders then nowadays one absolutely would have to include Narrator and 
if it is true that voiceover on the MAC has not seen major updates and 
development for some years this definitely cannot be said of Narrator. Under 
Windows 7 Narrator was very limited and of little use and definitely not a 
screenreader one could consider using on a daily bases. Under Windows 10 
Narrator has steadily been improved and it has received major updates and 
enhancements to the point where it is now quite impressive.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
richr...@gmail.com  
Sent: Monday, March 1, 2021 6:32 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Comparing VoiceOver And NVDA

 

This person knows very little about VoiceOver and shouldn’t be comparing it to 
NVDA!

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Monday, March 1, 2021 8:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Comparing VoiceOver And NVDA

 

I think the author is pretty upfront about the fact that they’re currently a 
Windows user. Maybe you’d like to point out where the article is incorrect. I’m 
not a VoiceOver user on the Mac myself, but I would like to know more.

 

Also, if you’re going to repost an article it would be good if you could post 
the entire article, including who the author is or provide a link to the 
article, so people can read it in it’s entirety. BTW, I did see this forwarded 
to another list, so this isn’t my first time reading this.

 

--

Christopher (AKA CJ)

Chaltain at Outlook

 

From: 

RE: Comparing VoiceOver And NVDA

[Simon A Fogarty]

Having used jaws, narrator,
NvdA
Voiceover and talkback,

Jaws is definatly my choice with windows,
And voiceover on the mac obviously, NvDA I haven’t used enough to make a highly 
informed decision  but with enterprise systems and in some cases through remote 
desktop connections,
Jaws works better for me.

As for the mobile side of things,

To me voiceover Is still out in front,
But talkback gets better with each release

But then of course you get the likes of Samsung trying to create their own 
products which although do some things,
Voiceover just works on / with everything in most  cases.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Tuesday, 2 March 2021 3:53 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Comparing VoiceOver And NVDA

True, and Microsoft and Narrator deserve credit for that, but just because 
you’re moving faster then someone in front of you doesn’t mean you’ve 
necessarily caught them yet. I don’t know if this is the case with Narrator and 
VoiceOver, since I don’t use VoiceOver on the Mac myself. I heard this a lot 
with Talk Back and VoiceOver, and although there was a time when Talk Back was 
making huge strides, and it did get to the point where it was a viable option, 
I’m not sure I’d ever say that it ended up heads and shoulders above VoiceOver. 
I’m not saying Talk Back doesn’t have it’s pros and there are definitely people 
who like Talk Back’s features, and choice is and options are good!

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, March 1, 2021 9:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Comparing VoiceOver And NVDA

It's a bit general, but of course everybody is more or less biessed towards 
whatever system they use, in my case that would be Windows and Jaws and some 
are more biessed than others. If anything I would say that if you compare free 
screenreaders then nowadays one absolutely would have to include Narrator and 
if it is true that voiceover on the MAC has not seen major updates and 
development for some years this definitely cannot be said of Narrator. Under 
Windows 7 Narrator was very limited and of little use and definitely not a 
screenreader one could consider using on a daily bases. Under Windows 10 
Narrator has steadily been improved and it has received major updates and 
enhancements to the point where it is now quite impressive.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
richr...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, March 1, 2021 6:32 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Comparing VoiceOver And NVDA

This person knows very little about VoiceOver and shouldn’t be comparing it to 
NVDA!

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Monday, March 1, 2021 8:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Comparing VoiceOver And NVDA

I think the author is pretty upfront about the fact that they’re currently a 
Windows user. Maybe you’d like to point out where the article is incorrect. I’m 
not a VoiceOver user on the Mac myself, but I would like to know more.

Also, if you’re going to repost an article it would be good if you could post 
the entire article, including who the author is or provide a link to the 
article, so people can read it in it’s entirety. BTW, I did see this forwarded 
to another list, so this isn’t my first time reading this.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of kliph 
miller Sr
Sent: Monday, March 1, 2021 6:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Comparing VoiceOver And NVDA

It’s clear to me about this article 2 things.
1. This is a windows user
2. They haven’t done there homework.
Note: I am not the author of this article!

Introduction
The modern era has brought many advantages for those who are blind or visually 
impaired. One of the most important tools a blind user uses with modern 
computing devices is a screen reader. Traditionally, screen readers have been 
very expensive third-party programs that were very difficult to obtain 
depending on one’s financial status. However, several free yet capable screen 
readers have emerged in the last 20 years. The two that we will be discussing 
are Apple’s VoiceOver for macOS and the Nonvisual Desktop Access or NVDA for 
Windows. Both are powerful screen readers in their own right, but they have 
their strengths and weaknesses which I will discuss in more detail. Hopefully 
by the end of this article, you will have a better understanding of each 
product and its 

RE: iPhone 11 in the cold

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi Deidra,


I guessed as much but the way you wrote that,

It sounded like your dog was skiing 

Which hey this day in age,
I wouldn't be at all surprised to hear of a dog skiing.
Yeah shooting photos of dogs is a pretty common thing in my family as well.

 
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of deidre 
muccio
Sent: Tuesday, 2 March 2021 12:48 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone 11 in the cold

Simon, your post got me smiling. No you know, my dog does not ski, but she does 
fly. Especially in the bitter cold. Cold weather is her kind of weather. She 
doesn’t use an iPhone either, but I recruit friends continually to shoot 
pictures of how lovely she is even at 13 1/2 years of age.
Deidre

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 1, 2021, at 5:00 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Sorry did you say your dog skiies?
> 
> That’s cool,
> I know a lot of people that can't do that!
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> deidre muccio
> Sent: Tuesday, 2 March 2021 1:54 am
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iPhone 11 in the cold
> 
> My friends older phone 8+ never froze up in the cold. She used to shoot 
> pictures in the snow, ofmy dog, while skiing, and inall kinds of bitter cold 
> weather. Her 11 acted up shortly after she first got it while skiing in Utah 
> over the holidays and not even in the worst cold weather possible. I told 
> her, as someone mentioned here, the phone might’ve been still setting itself 
> up. So she’s had less problems overtime than when she first got it. I do 
> recall a few weeks ago though she pulled it out of her pocket to shoot some 
> pictures of my dog with snow all over her nose that immediately froze up and 
> she was quite perplexed.  she’s an outdoors woman, and she’s also glued to 
> her phone, so you get the picture.Oh by the way oh by the way off and pull my 
> phone out in the worst of weather to turn the GPS on, or to check my 
> location, or to pop off a text real quick and I’ve never had my phone freeze 
> up in the cold. Certainly if it’s left in the direct sun on a hot summer day 
> it will turn itself off so I’ve learned not to do that. 
> Yes my iPhone 6s used to get hot a lotEven even if the only thing I had open 
> was tune in radio and it was playing. It still works though.
> Deidre
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 1, 2021, at 2:44 AM, CJ & AA MAY  wrote:
>> 
>> I've never had any cold issues with my iPhone, although here in Kent we 
>> rarely have temperatures below zero, however, my iPhone 6S Plus cannot 
>> tolerate heat.
>> Alison
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: 28 February 2021 23:12
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: iPhone 11 in the cold
>> 
>> I would take it back to Apple, I have an iPhone 11 as well and live in 
>> northwestern British Columbia. About 2 weeks ago we had an entire week when 
>> temperatures were around -25 to -34 Celsius at night and -15 to -20 durinfg 
>> the day. I would walk to work in the morning, I had my iPhone 11 in the 
>> chest pocket of my down jacket or in a hip holster under the jacket, but 
>> still it would get quite cold and I never had any issues with it. I usually 
>> listen to an audio book with one ear when I walk and it never quit. But I do 
>> remember that many years ago I had an iPhone 6S Plus which also did not like 
>> the cold and it would sometimes just turn off even at -3 or -5.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of deidre muccio
>> Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2021 8:38 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: iPhone 11 in the cold
>> 
>> Speaking of new phones, someone who works with me just got a new iPhone 11 
>> and it freezes up continually when the weathers cold. So anyone else having 
>> that issue? With their 11s when outdoors even inborderline freezing weather? 
>> That sounds like either a lemon or a real drawback to that particular phone.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
> On Feb 27, 2021, at 8:58 AM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
>>> Hi to all.  In a few more months
>>> , I should have the money to purchase a new iPhone.  At first, I 
>>> thought about the 12 pro, but I know, that maybe by October or 
>>> around there, the new iPhone 13 will probably come out.  Should I 
>>> wait for the 13 to come out, or purchase the 12 pro.  Thanks for any 
>>> suggestions.
>>> --
>>> Joshua Hendrickson
>>> 
>>> Joshua Hendrickson
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RE: Comparing VoiceOver And NVDA

[Christopher Chaltain]

True, and Microsoft and Narrator deserve credit for that, but just because 
you’re moving faster then someone in front of you doesn’t mean you’ve 
necessarily caught them yet. I don’t know if this is the case with Narrator and 
VoiceOver, since I don’t use VoiceOver on the Mac myself. I heard this a lot 
with Talk Back and VoiceOver, and although there was a time when Talk Back was 
making huge strides, and it did get to the point where it was a viable option, 
I’m not sure I’d ever say that it ended up heads and shoulders above VoiceOver. 
I’m not saying Talk Back doesn’t have it’s pros and there are definitely people 
who like Talk Back’s features, and choice is and options are good!

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, March 1, 2021 9:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Comparing VoiceOver And NVDA

It's a bit general, but of course everybody is more or less biessed towards 
whatever system they use, in my case that would be Windows and Jaws and some 
are more biessed than others. If anything I would say that if you compare free 
screenreaders then nowadays one absolutely would have to include Narrator and 
if it is true that voiceover on the MAC has not seen major updates and 
development for some years this definitely cannot be said of Narrator. Under 
Windows 7 Narrator was very limited and of little use and definitely not a 
screenreader one could consider using on a daily bases. Under Windows 10 
Narrator has steadily been improved and it has received major updates and 
enhancements to the point where it is now quite impressive.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
richr...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, March 1, 2021 6:32 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Comparing VoiceOver And NVDA

This person knows very little about VoiceOver and shouldn’t be comparing it to 
NVDA!

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Monday, March 1, 2021 8:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Comparing VoiceOver And NVDA

I think the author is pretty upfront about the fact that they’re currently a 
Windows user. Maybe you’d like to point out where the article is incorrect. I’m 
not a VoiceOver user on the Mac myself, but I would like to know more.

Also, if you’re going to repost an article it would be good if you could post 
the entire article, including who the author is or provide a link to the 
article, so people can read it in it’s entirety. BTW, I did see this forwarded 
to another list, so this isn’t my first time reading this.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of kliph 
miller Sr
Sent: Monday, March 1, 2021 6:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Comparing VoiceOver And NVDA

It’s clear to me about this article 2 things.
1. This is a windows user
2. They haven’t done there homework.
Note: I am not the author of this article!

Introduction
The modern era has brought many advantages for those who are blind or visually 
impaired. One of the most important tools a blind user uses with modern 
computing devices is a screen reader. Traditionally, screen readers have been 
very expensive third-party programs that were very difficult to obtain 
depending on one’s financial status. However, several free yet capable screen 
readers have emerged in the last 20 years. The two that we will be discussing 
are Apple’s VoiceOver for macOS and the Nonvisual Desktop Access or NVDA for 
Windows. Both are powerful screen readers in their own right, but they have 
their strengths and weaknesses which I will discuss in more detail. Hopefully 
by the end of this article, you will have a better understanding of each 
product and its individual strengths/weaknesses.
NVDA
Nonvisual Desktop Access or NVDA for short is a free and open source screen 
reader for the Microsoft Windows operating system. The organization behind the 
project is an Australian company called NV Access 
(www.nvaccess.org). It has been around since 2006 and 
primarily competes with the JAWS for Windows screen reader produced by Freedom 
Scientific or Vispero as they are now known by. It offers many of the same 
features that JAWS offers and should be suitable for 99% of screen reader 
users. The philosophy behind NVDA is extremely compelling. It is offered free 
of charge to anyone in the world, meaning there is no longer a financial 
barrier for blind people to work, learn, or do anything else on a computer. NV 
Access does rely on donations, either from individuals or grants from large 
companies, so if 

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Re: iPhone 11 in the cold

[deidre muccio]

Simon, your post got me smiling. No you know, my dog does not ski, but she does 
fly. Especially in the bitter cold. Cold weather is her kind of weather. She 
doesn’t use an iPhone either, but I recruit friends continually to shoot 
pictures of how lovely she is even at 13 1/2 years of age.
Deidre

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 1, 2021, at 5:00 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Sorry did you say your dog skiies?
> 
> That’s cool,
> I know a lot of people that can't do that!
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of deidre 
> muccio
> Sent: Tuesday, 2 March 2021 1:54 am
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iPhone 11 in the cold
> 
> My friends older phone 8+ never froze up in the cold. She used to shoot 
> pictures in the snow, ofmy dog, while skiing, and inall kinds of bitter cold 
> weather. Her 11 acted up shortly after she first got it while skiing in Utah 
> over the holidays and not even in the worst cold weather possible. I told 
> her, as someone mentioned here, the phone might’ve been still setting itself 
> up. So she’s had less problems overtime than when she first got it. I do 
> recall a few weeks ago though she pulled it out of her pocket to shoot some 
> pictures of my dog with snow all over her nose that immediately froze up and 
> she was quite perplexed.  she’s an outdoors woman, and she’s also glued to 
> her phone, so you get the picture.Oh by the way oh by the way off and pull my 
> phone out in the worst of weather to turn the GPS on, or to check my 
> location, or to pop off a text real quick and I’ve never had my phone freeze 
> up in the cold. Certainly if it’s left in the direct sun on a hot summer day 
> it will turn itself off so I’ve learned not to do that. 
> Yes my iPhone 6s used to get hot a lotEven even if the only thing I had open 
> was tune in radio and it was playing. It still works though.
> Deidre
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 1, 2021, at 2:44 AM, CJ & AA MAY  wrote:
>> 
>> I've never had any cold issues with my iPhone, although here in Kent we 
>> rarely have temperatures below zero, however, my iPhone 6S Plus cannot 
>> tolerate heat.
>> Alison
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: 28 February 2021 23:12
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: iPhone 11 in the cold
>> 
>> I would take it back to Apple, I have an iPhone 11 as well and live in 
>> northwestern British Columbia. About 2 weeks ago we had an entire week when 
>> temperatures were around -25 to -34 Celsius at night and -15 to -20 durinfg 
>> the day. I would walk to work in the morning, I had my iPhone 11 in the 
>> chest pocket of my down jacket or in a hip holster under the jacket, but 
>> still it would get quite cold and I never had any issues with it. I usually 
>> listen to an audio book with one ear when I walk and it never quit. But I do 
>> remember that many years ago I had an iPhone 6S Plus which also did not like 
>> the cold and it would sometimes just turn off even at -3 or -5.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> deidre muccio
>> Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2021 8:38 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: iPhone 11 in the cold
>> 
>> Speaking of new phones, someone who works with me just got a new iPhone 11 
>> and it freezes up continually when the weathers cold. So anyone else having 
>> that issue? With their 11s when outdoors even inborderline freezing weather? 
>> That sounds like either a lemon or a real drawback to that particular phone.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
> On Feb 27, 2021, at 8:58 AM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
>>> Hi to all.  In a few more months
>>> , I should have the money to purchase a new iPhone.  At first, I 
>>> thought about the 12 pro, but I know, that maybe by October or around 
>>> there, the new iPhone 13 will probably come out.  Should I wait for 
>>> the 13 to come out, or purchase the 12 pro.  Thanks for any 
>>> suggestions.
>>> --
>>> Joshua Hendrickson
>>> 
>>> Joshua Hendrickson
>>> 
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WordPress Posts and iOS

[Joe Orozco]

Hi,

A friend of mine is having trouble seeing posts she is sharing on
social media from her WordPress site. When you swipe with Voiceover,
it just clicks but does not give any information about the post. It’s
like a blank spot. This is strange behavior, because posts I share
from my own WordPress site display just fine. Has anyone else seen
this behavior? I’m logged into her site, but I don’t see any
noticeable glitches in her settings. I can’t tell if the problem is
Voiceover or WP. Thank you for any help.

Joe

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RE: Comparing VoiceOver And NVDA

[Simon A Fogarty]

Oh and the other thing I found badly noted,

Yes NVDA is free to download and use,
And yes you can make donations to the organisation,

But there is no way that an apple product is cheap and voiceover is part of the 
apple system / OS
It is really not free it is a built in feature which users can use if they need 
or wish to,

The way the guys describing Voiceover is more like narrator within windows.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of kliph 
miller Sr
Sent: Tuesday, 2 March 2021 3:59 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Comparing VoiceOver And NVDA

It came from David goldfields top tidbits news letter

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On Mar 1, 2021, at 7:21 AM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:

Kliph,
Who wrote the article and where is it from?

Richard

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On Mar 1, 2021, at 4:49 AM, kliph miller Sr 
mailto:kliph.miller...@gmail.com>> wrote:

It’s clear to me about this article 2 things.
1. This is a windows user
2. They haven’t done there homework.
Note: I am not the author of this article!


Introduction
The modern era has brought many advantages for those who are blind or visually 
impaired. One of the most important tools a blind user uses with modern 
computing devices is a screen reader. Traditionally, screen readers have been 
very expensive third-party programs that were very difficult to obtain 
depending on one’s financial status. However, several free yet capable screen 
readers have emerged in the last 20 years. The two that we will be discussing 
are Apple’s VoiceOver for macOS and the Nonvisual Desktop Access or NVDA for 
Windows. Both are powerful screen readers in their own right, but they have 
their strengths and weaknesses which I will discuss in more detail. Hopefully 
by the end of this article, you will have a better understanding of each 
product and its individual strengths/weaknesses.
NVDA
Nonvisual Desktop Access or NVDA for short is a free and open source screen 
reader for the Microsoft Windows operating system. The organization behind the 
project is an Australian company called NV Access 
(www.nvaccess.org).
 It has been around since 2006 and primarily competes with the JAWS for Windows 
screen reader produced by Freedom Scientific or Vispero as they are now known 
by. It offers many of the same features that JAWS offers and should be suitable 
for 99% of screen reader users. The philosophy behind NVDA is extremely 
compelling. It is offered free of charge to anyone in the world, meaning there 
is no longer a financial barrier for blind people to work, learn, or do 
anything else on a computer. NV Access does rely on donations, either from 
individuals or grants from large companies, so if you can donate, it is very 
much worth it to help this amazing project continue long into the future. The 
obvious benefit is that a blind person can compete on a level playing field 
with sighted peers at no more cost than anyone else. Updates to NVDA are also 
free, and NV Access releases 3-4 updates per year that fix bugs and add new 
features.
Since NVDA is open 
source,
 anyone is free to review the source code and propose changes. While anyone can 
propose a change and submit code, it’s still reviewed and approved by NV Access 
before it is included in anything anyone can download. This ensures the 
security of the software from unauthorised changes and means that the final 
product available from 

RE: iPhone 11 in the cold

[Simon A Fogarty]

Sorry did you say your dog skiies?

That’s cool,
I know a lot of people that can't do that!


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of deidre 
muccio
Sent: Tuesday, 2 March 2021 1:54 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone 11 in the cold

My friends older phone 8+ never froze up in the cold. She used to shoot 
pictures in the snow, ofmy dog, while skiing, and inall kinds of bitter cold 
weather. Her 11 acted up shortly after she first got it while skiing in Utah 
over the holidays and not even in the worst cold weather possible. I told her, 
as someone mentioned here, the phone might’ve been still setting itself up. So 
she’s had less problems overtime than when she first got it. I do recall a few 
weeks ago though she pulled it out of her pocket to shoot some pictures of my 
dog with snow all over her nose that immediately froze up and she was quite 
perplexed.  she’s an outdoors woman, and she’s also glued to her phone, so you 
get the picture.Oh by the way oh by the way off and pull my phone out in the 
worst of weather to turn the GPS on, or to check my location, or to pop off a 
text real quick and I’ve never had my phone freeze up in the cold. Certainly if 
it’s left in the direct sun on a hot summer day it will turn itself off so I’ve 
learned not to do that. 
Yes my iPhone 6s used to get hot a lotEven even if the only thing I had open 
was tune in radio and it was playing. It still works though.
Deidre

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 1, 2021, at 2:44 AM, CJ & AA MAY  wrote:
> 
> I've never had any cold issues with my iPhone, although here in Kent we 
> rarely have temperatures below zero, however, my iPhone 6S Plus cannot 
> tolerate heat.
> Alison
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: 28 February 2021 23:12
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: iPhone 11 in the cold
> 
> I would take it back to Apple, I have an iPhone 11 as well and live in 
> northwestern British Columbia. About 2 weeks ago we had an entire week when 
> temperatures were around -25 to -34 Celsius at night and -15 to -20 durinfg 
> the day. I would walk to work in the morning, I had my iPhone 11 in the chest 
> pocket of my down jacket or in a hip holster under the jacket, but still it 
> would get quite cold and I never had any issues with it. I usually listen to 
> an audio book with one ear when I walk and it never quit. But I do remember 
> that many years ago I had an iPhone 6S Plus which also did not like the cold 
> and it would sometimes just turn off even at -3 or -5.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> deidre muccio
> Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2021 8:38 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: iPhone 11 in the cold
> 
> Speaking of new phones, someone who works with me just got a new iPhone 11 
> and it freezes up continually when the weathers cold. So anyone else having 
> that issue? With their 11s when outdoors even inborderline freezing weather? 
> That sounds like either a lemon or a real drawback to that particular phone.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Feb 27, 2021, at 8:58 AM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
>> Hi to all.  In a few more months
>> , I should have the money to purchase a new iPhone.  At first, I 
>> thought about the 12 pro, but I know, that maybe by October or around 
>> there, the new iPhone 13 will probably come out.  Should I wait for 
>> the 13 to come out, or purchase the 12 pro.  Thanks for any 
>> suggestions.
>> --
>> Joshua Hendrickson
>> 
>> Joshua Hendrickson
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RE: iPhone 11 in the cold

[Simon A Fogarty]

We can get temps below zero celcius 
And my 11 pro max hasn't had issues 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of CJ & AA 
MAY
Sent: Monday, 1 March 2021 8:45 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhone 11 in the cold

I've never had any cold issues with my iPhone, although here in Kent we rarely 
have temperatures below zero, however, my iPhone 6S Plus cannot tolerate heat.
Alison

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: 28 February 2021 23:12
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhone 11 in the cold

I would take it back to Apple, I have an iPhone 11 as well and live in 
northwestern British Columbia. About 2 weeks ago we had an entire week when 
temperatures were around -25 to -34 Celsius at night and -15 to -20 durinfg the 
day. I would walk to work in the morning, I had my iPhone 11 in the chest 
pocket of my down jacket or in a hip holster under the jacket, but still it 
would get quite cold and I never had any issues with it. I usually listen to an 
audio book with one ear when I walk and it never quit. But I do remember that 
many years ago I had an iPhone 6S Plus which also did not like the cold and it 
would sometimes just turn off even at -3 or -5.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of deidre 
muccio
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2021 8:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iPhone 11 in the cold

Speaking of new phones, someone who works with me just got a new iPhone 11 and 
it freezes up continually when the weathers cold. So anyone else having that 
issue? With their 11s when outdoors even inborderline freezing weather? That 
sounds like either a lemon or a real drawback to that particular phone.

Sent from my iPhone

>> On Feb 27, 2021, at 8:58 AM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
> Hi to all.  In a few more months
> , I should have the money to purchase a new iPhone.  At first, I 
> thought about the 12 pro, but I know, that maybe by October or around 
> there, the new iPhone 13 will probably come out.  Should I wait for 
> the 13 to come out, or purchase the 12 pro.  Thanks for any 
> suggestions.
> --
> Joshua Hendrickson
> 
> Joshua Hendrickson
> 
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Re: Comparing VoiceOver And NVDA

[Devin Prater]

Of course he'd just get someone else to write it. I just have so much
other stuff to do. Like, I can't always just write a long form post
about comparing screen readers when people could just look at the
respective sites for them, read their documentation... But I'm glad they
found someone else to write for them, lol.

On 3/1/21 8:59 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
>
> I found the article by searching for the title.
>
> The author is: CHRISTOPHER WRIGHT
> , who apparently is
> wrong, grin.
>
> It is on the GeeksModo web site at: Comparing VoiceOver and NVDA |
> GeeksModo 
>
>  
>
> I would suggest any Mac VoiceOver user who can point out his errors
> contact him through the web site’s comments.
>
> Here is one that is up already:
>
> Tyler Stephen says
>
> TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 23, 2021 AT 9:32 AM
>
> Is the Disk Utility crash bug not fixed in macOS 11.2?
>
>  
>
> Christopher Wright says
>
> TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 23, 2021 AT 4:45 PM
>
> I don’t know. I exclusively run Windows on my Mac and haven’t used Big
> Sur’s 11.2 update. If this indeed has been fixed, I can edit the
> article to reflect
>
> this.
>
>  
>
> My only statement about this article is what an absolute waste of
> bytes, and I wouldn’t use a Mac if you gave it to me, but I know lots
> of people who use Mac’s exclusively and hopefully will take this
> person to task on their stupidity.
>
> .
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Richard
>
>  
>
> Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical
> object<>to realize that you are in a hurry.
>
>  
>
>  
>
> My web site, www.turner42.com 
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf
> Of *Christopher Chaltain
> *Sent:* Monday, March 1, 2021 6:08 AM
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: Comparing VoiceOver And NVDA
>
>  
>
> I think the author is pretty upfront about the fact that they’re
> currently a Windows user. Maybe you’d like to point out where the
> article is incorrect. I’m not a VoiceOver user on the Mac myself, but
> I would like to know more.
>
>  
>
> Also, if you’re going to repost an article it would be good if you
> could post the entire article, including who the author is or provide
> a link to the article, so people can read it in it’s entirety. BTW, I
> did see this forwarded to another list, so this isn’t my first time
> reading this.
>
>  
>
> --
>
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>
> Chaltain at Outlook
>
>  
>
> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com 
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> *On
> Behalf Of *kliph miller Sr
> *Sent:* Monday, March 1, 2021 6:50 AM
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com 
> *Subject:* Comparing VoiceOver And NVDA
>
>  
>
>
> It’s clear to me about this article 2 things.
>
> 1. This is a windows user
>
> 2. They haven’t done there homework.
>
> Note: I am not the author of this article!
>
>  
>
>
> Introduction
>
> The modern era has brought many advantages for those who are
> blind or visually impaired. One of the most important tools a
> blind user uses with modern computing devices is a screen
> reader. Traditionally, screen readers have been very expensive
> third-party programs that were very difficult to obtain
> depending on one’s financial status. However, several free yet
> capable screen readers have emerged in the last 20 years. The
> two that we will be discussing are Apple’s VoiceOver for macOS
> and the Nonvisual Desktop Access or NVDA for Windows. Both are
> powerful screen readers in their own right, but they have
> their strengths and weaknesses which I will discuss in more
> detail. Hopefully by the end of this article, you will have a
> better understanding of each product and its individual
> strengths/weaknesses.
>
>
>   NVDA
>
> Nonvisual Desktop Access or NVDA for short is a free and open
> source screen reader for the Microsoft Windows operating
> system. The organization behind the project is an Australian
> company called NV Access (www.nvaccess.org
> 
> ).
> It has been around since 2006 and primarily competes with the
> JAWS for Windows screen reader produced by Freedom Scientific
> or Vispero as they are now known by. It offers many of the
> same features that JAWS offers and should be suitable for 99%
> of screen reader users. The philosophy behind NVDA is

RE: Comparing VoiceOver And NVDA

[Richard Turner]

I decided even though I'm not a Mac user, and will never be one, I added a 
comment and pointed the author to the AppleVis blog where improvements to 
VoiceOver on Mac OS is well documented.




Richard

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
realize that you are in a hurry.


My web site, www.turner42.com



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, March 1, 2021 7:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Comparing VoiceOver And NVDA

It's a bit general, but of course everybody is more or less biessed towards 
whatever system they use, in my case that would be Windows and Jaws and some 
are more biessed than others. If anything I would say that if you compare free 
screenreaders then nowadays one absolutely would have to include Narrator and 
if it is true that voiceover on the MAC has not seen major updates and 
development for some years this definitely cannot be said of Narrator. Under 
Windows 7 Narrator was very limited and of little use and definitely not a 
screenreader one could consider using on a daily bases. Under Windows 10 
Narrator has steadily been improved and it has received major updates and 
enhancements to the point where it is now quite impressive.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
richr...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, March 1, 2021 6:32 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Comparing VoiceOver And NVDA

This person knows very little about VoiceOver and shouldn't be comparing it to 
NVDA!

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Monday, March 1, 2021 8:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Comparing VoiceOver And NVDA

I think the author is pretty upfront about the fact that they're currently a 
Windows user. Maybe you'd like to point out where the article is incorrect. I'm 
not a VoiceOver user on the Mac myself, but I would like to know more.

Also, if you're going to repost an article it would be good if you could post 
the entire article, including who the author is or provide a link to the 
article, so people can read it in it's entirety. BTW, I did see this forwarded 
to another list, so this isn't my first time reading this.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of kliph 
miller Sr
Sent: Monday, March 1, 2021 6:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Comparing VoiceOver And NVDA

It's clear to me about this article 2 things.
1. This is a windows user
2. They haven't done there homework.
Note: I am not the author of this article!

Introduction
The modern era has brought many advantages for those who are blind or visually 
impaired. One of the most important tools a blind user uses with modern 
computing devices is a screen reader. Traditionally, screen readers have been 
very expensive third-party programs that were very difficult to obtain 
depending on one's financial status. However, several free yet capable screen 
readers have emerged in the last 20 years. The two that we will be discussing 
are Apple's VoiceOver for macOS and the Nonvisual Desktop Access or NVDA for 
Windows. Both are powerful screen readers in their own right, but they have 
their strengths and weaknesses which I will discuss in more detail. Hopefully 
by the end of this article, you will have a better understanding of each 
product and its individual strengths/weaknesses.
NVDA
Nonvisual Desktop Access or NVDA for short is a free and open source screen 
reader for the Microsoft Windows operating system. The organization behind the 
project is an Australian company called NV Access 
(www.nvaccess.org).
 It has been around since 2006 and primarily competes with the JAWS for Windows 
screen reader produced by Freedom Scientific or Vispero as they are now known 
by. It offers many of the same features that JAWS offers and should be suitable 
for 99% of screen reader users. The philosophy behind NVDA is extremely 
compelling. It is offered free of charge to anyone in the world, meaning there 
is no longer a financial barrier for blind people to work, learn, or do 
anything else on a computer. NV Access does rely on donations, either from 
individuals or grants from large companies, so if you can donate, it is very 
much worth it to help 

RE: What is Static Text?

[Richard Turner]

Static Text is just text that never moves or changes.
All that setting does is allow you to skip passed anything that is not Static 
Text and land on the next Static Text.
I personally have never enabled that feature as I do not really see the point.

Others may have found a good use case for it.



Richard

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
realize that you are in a hurry.


My web site, www.turner42.com



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Subject: What is Static Text?

I was going through the rotor settings to remove a couple of things, and saw 
that Static Text is selected in my rotor settings..  What is Static Text, and 
how is it affected by that setting?

Thanks,

Karen P

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What is Static Text?

[Karen Poulakos]

I was going through the rotor settings to remove a couple of things, and saw
that Static Text is selected in my rotor settings..  What is Static Text,
and how is it affected by that setting?

Thanks,

Karen P

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RE: Setting up Withings Thermo Temporal Thermometer

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Congrats to your second shot, that is great news!

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Debby
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2021 6:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Setting up Withings Thermo Temporal Thermometer

Hi Janet and anyone interested in my miraculous success!

This morning I finally got the Thermo set up with my iPhone SE. If anyone else 
decides to try this without the benefit of eyes that work, here are my notes:

You can get the Thermo app from the Apple app store however, the app is not 
fully accessible for setting up a Withings account on your phone. The two 
things I know don’t work is the accepting of the agreements, and your gender 
designation. Without these you can’t go on. So you need to go to 
http://www.withings.com and set up the account there. Later, on the iPhone in 
the Thermo app under settings you can download the information to the phone.

Once that is done you are ready to tackle the installation of the Thermo on 
your phone. One thing for a blind person to know, which I don’t think is really 
evident, is that the thermometer’s display is the area that is on the same side 
as the button of the unit. To me it doesn’t feel like a display because it has 
a rougher texture then most displays do. Also one of the things that the 
manual/user guide doesn’t mention is that before you can install the 
thermometer on the phone, you have to turn the thermometer on. To do this just 
push the button and hold for 1 to 2 seconds. You can use a color identify to 
verify that the unit is on. I used a Colorino, and when the thermometer is off 
the color setting says “white.” When the thermometer is on, the Colorino 
doesn’t give a color, but you hear a blinking tone pattern. I think the 
thermometer only stays on for 30 seconds, so be sure to turn it on close to the 
time you are going to try the install on your iPhone.

Now to the iPhone. Go into the Thermo app and if you haven’t already go ahead 
and log in. You should see a screen that says “family member” and under that 
“me.” If you double tap the “me” button you will see your stats. To start the 
installation double tap on settings. Note, the settings button is at the top of 
the screen, and it must not be labeled correctly because in iOS 14.4 Voiceover  
said “possibly settings button.” On the settings screen double tap on the 
“installation” or “install” button, I can’t remember which it said. Be sure the 
thermometer is on. The iPhone screen will give you the instructions to hold the 
button on the Thermo for 8 seconds. It seems that if all is working well, and 
evidently it was for me, I got a message asking if Thermo could use Bluetooth. 
I agreed to that and then was able to follow the iPhone directions and got the 
thermometer set up.

It then provides a tutorial for taking your temperature. I took two readings, 
and I am happy to report that even having gotten the second Pfizer vaccine 
yesterday, I did not have a fever.

I hope this helps if anyone else wants to set this up on your own.

Take care and Stay safe!

Debby

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Janet 
Bell
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2021 1:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Setting up Withings Thermo Temporal Thermometer


cheers Debby
On 27/02/2021 18:42, Debby wrote:
Hi Janet,

Thanks and good luck! Also if I find out anything, I will let you know!

Debby

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Janet 
Bell
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2021 1:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Setting up Withings Thermo Temporal Thermometer


Hi Debby, I like you cannot create an account, I put in email and password and 
cannot get past this.  I am going to get some sighted help tomorrow and if I 
find anything out I will pass it on to you.  Janet
On 27/02/2021 14:03, Debby wrote:
Hi All,

Has anyone set up a Withings Thermo from scratch with no workable eyes around? 
From the way everyone talked about it, I thought it was going to be a cake 
walk. I think I have downloaded the correct app, but it has missing labels. I 
had to create an account on the Withings website. To get the installation 
process started you seem to have to see the display on the thermometer itself. 
I thought I could outsmart the system, but I haven’t been able to see the 
device on my phone. I am using an iPhone SE 2020 with iOS 14.4.

I know I can try calling Withings or AIRA, but I thought I would check to see 
if anyone has done this independently.

Thanks for any help!

Take care and stay safe!

Debby
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RE: Comparing VoiceOver And NVDA

[Sieghard Weitzel]

It's a bit general, but of course everybody is more or less biessed towards 
whatever system they use, in my case that would be Windows and Jaws and some 
are more biessed than others. If anything I would say that if you compare free 
screenreaders then nowadays one absolutely would have to include Narrator and 
if it is true that voiceover on the MAC has not seen major updates and 
development for some years this definitely cannot be said of Narrator. Under 
Windows 7 Narrator was very limited and of little use and definitely not a 
screenreader one could consider using on a daily bases. Under Windows 10 
Narrator has steadily been improved and it has received major updates and 
enhancements to the point where it is now quite impressive.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
richr...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, March 1, 2021 6:32 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Comparing VoiceOver And NVDA

This person knows very little about VoiceOver and shouldn’t be comparing it to 
NVDA!

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Monday, March 1, 2021 8:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Comparing VoiceOver And NVDA

I think the author is pretty upfront about the fact that they’re currently a 
Windows user. Maybe you’d like to point out where the article is incorrect. I’m 
not a VoiceOver user on the Mac myself, but I would like to know more.

Also, if you’re going to repost an article it would be good if you could post 
the entire article, including who the author is or provide a link to the 
article, so people can read it in it’s entirety. BTW, I did see this forwarded 
to another list, so this isn’t my first time reading this.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of kliph 
miller Sr
Sent: Monday, March 1, 2021 6:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Comparing VoiceOver And NVDA

It’s clear to me about this article 2 things.
1. This is a windows user
2. They haven’t done there homework.
Note: I am not the author of this article!

Introduction
The modern era has brought many advantages for those who are blind or visually 
impaired. One of the most important tools a blind user uses with modern 
computing devices is a screen reader. Traditionally, screen readers have been 
very expensive third-party programs that were very difficult to obtain 
depending on one’s financial status. However, several free yet capable screen 
readers have emerged in the last 20 years. The two that we will be discussing 
are Apple’s VoiceOver for macOS and the Nonvisual Desktop Access or NVDA for 
Windows. Both are powerful screen readers in their own right, but they have 
their strengths and weaknesses which I will discuss in more detail. Hopefully 
by the end of this article, you will have a better understanding of each 
product and its individual strengths/weaknesses.
NVDA
Nonvisual Desktop Access or NVDA for short is a free and open source screen 
reader for the Microsoft Windows operating system. The organization behind the 
project is an Australian company called NV Access 
(www.nvaccess.org). It has been around since 2006 and 
primarily competes with the JAWS for Windows screen reader produced by Freedom 
Scientific or Vispero as they are now known by. It offers many of the same 
features that JAWS offers and should be suitable for 99% of screen reader 
users. The philosophy behind NVDA is extremely compelling. It is offered free 
of charge to anyone in the world, meaning there is no longer a financial 
barrier for blind people to work, learn, or do anything else on a computer. NV 
Access does rely on donations, either from individuals or grants from large 
companies, so if you can donate, it is very much worth it to help this amazing 
project continue long into the future. The obvious benefit is that a blind 
person can compete on a level playing field with sighted peers at no more cost 
than anyone else. Updates to NVDA are also free, and NV Access releases 3-4 
updates per year that fix bugs and add new features.
Since NVDA is open source, anyone 
is free to review the source code and propose changes. While anyone can propose 
a change and submit code, it’s still reviewed and approved by NV Access before 
it is included in anything anyone can download. This ensures the security of 
the software from unauthorised changes and means that the final product 
available from https://www.nvaccess.org/ is just as secure and well vetted as 
the closed source from another company. Thousands of people from all over the 
world constantly contribute to the project which benefits everyone in the end. 
NVDA is a screen reader made for the blind by the blind. NV Access is overseen 
by a board of directors (of whom at least 33% must be blind or vision impaired, 

RE: saving up for a new iPhone, should I purchase the 12 pro, or wait for the 13 to come out.

[Sieghard Weitzel]

You should dabsolutely not buy the current 12 Pro, all you read about the new 
iPhone 13 points to a much better phone with significant upgrades. I believe 
you are somebody who likes to keep his iPhone for more than just a year or two 
and the iPhone 13 ith next gen 5G support, most likely under-screen Touch Id as 
well as Face Id will be much more future proof. My wife and I bought the iPhone 
11 and iPhone 11 Pro, respectively last fall because our carrier offered a 
pretty good deal and we both had an iPhone 8 in ver good condition which we 
were able to sell for a pretty reasonable price, but depending on the final 
specs of the iPhone 13 I might be tempted to upgrade even though we only got 
the iPhone 11 a year ago. For me this would be the first time I upgrade after 
just 1 year, the only other time was in 2011 when Apple released the iPhone 4S 
with SIRI and I upgraded to it from the iPhone 4 which was my first iPhone and 
which I bought in 2010. Whenever major new features are involved like 5G, 
Lidar, MagSafe and so on it seems upgrading the year after these technologies 
are introduced is always a better choice.


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Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2021 5:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: saving up for a new iPhone, should I purchase the 12 pro, or wait for 
the 13 to come out.

Hi to all.  In a few more months
, I should have the money to purchase a new iPhone.  At first, I thought about 
the 12 pro, but I know, that maybe by October or around there, the new iPhone 
13 will probably come out.  Should I wait for the 13 to come out, or purchase 
the 12 pro.  Thanks for any suggestions.
--
Joshua Hendrickson

Joshua Hendrickson

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RE: Comparing VoiceOver And NVDA

[Richard Turner]

I found the article by searching for the title.
The author is: CHRISTOPHER 
WRIGHT, who apparently is 
wrong, grin.
It is on the GeeksModo web site at: Comparing VoiceOver and NVDA | 
GeeksModo

I would suggest any Mac VoiceOver user who can point out his errors contact him 
through the web site's comments.
Here is one that is up already:
Tyler Stephen says
TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 23, 2021 AT 9:32 AM
Is the Disk Utility crash bug not fixed in macOS 11.2?

Christopher Wright says
TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 23, 2021 AT 4:45 PM
I don't know. I exclusively run Windows on my Mac and haven't used Big Sur's 
11.2 update. If this indeed has been fixed, I can edit the article to reflect
this.

My only statement about this article is what an absolute waste of bytes, and I 
wouldn't use a Mac if you gave it to me, but I know lots of people who use 
Mac's exclusively and hopefully will take this person to task on their 
stupidity.
.



Richard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Monday, March 1, 2021 6:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Comparing VoiceOver And NVDA

I think the author is pretty upfront about the fact that they're currently a 
Windows user. Maybe you'd like to point out where the article is incorrect. I'm 
not a VoiceOver user on the Mac myself, but I would like to know more.

Also, if you're going to repost an article it would be good if you could post 
the entire article, including who the author is or provide a link to the 
article, so people can read it in it's entirety. BTW, I did see this forwarded 
to another list, so this isn't my first time reading this.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of kliph 
miller Sr
Sent: Monday, March 1, 2021 6:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Comparing VoiceOver And NVDA

It's clear to me about this article 2 things.
1. This is a windows user
2. They haven't done there homework.
Note: I am not the author of this article!

Introduction
The modern era has brought many advantages for those who are blind or visually 
impaired. One of the most important tools a blind user uses with modern 
computing devices is a screen reader. Traditionally, screen readers have been 
very expensive third-party programs that were very difficult to obtain 
depending on one's financial status. However, several free yet capable screen 
readers have emerged in the last 20 years. The two that we will be discussing 
are Apple's VoiceOver for macOS and the Nonvisual Desktop Access or NVDA for 
Windows. Both are powerful screen readers in their own right, but they have 
their strengths and weaknesses which I will discuss in more detail. Hopefully 
by the end of this article, you will have a better understanding of each 
product and its individual strengths/weaknesses.
NVDA
Nonvisual Desktop Access or NVDA for short is a free and open source screen 
reader for the Microsoft Windows operating system. The organization behind the 
project is an Australian company called NV Access 
(www.nvaccess.org).
 It has been around since 2006 and primarily competes with the JAWS for Windows 
screen reader produced by Freedom Scientific or Vispero as they are now known 
by. It offers many of the same features that JAWS offers and should be suitable 
for 99% of screen reader users. The philosophy behind NVDA is extremely 
compelling. It is offered free of charge to anyone in the world, meaning there 
is no longer a financial barrier for blind people to work, learn, or do 
anything else on a computer. NV Access does rely on donations, either from 
individuals or grants from large companies, so if you can donate, it is very 
much worth it to help this amazing project continue long into the future. The 
obvious benefit is that a blind person can compete on a level playing field 
with sighted peers at no more cost than anyone else. Updates to NVDA are also 
free, and NV Access releases 3-4 updates per year that fix bugs and add new 
features.
Since NVDA is open 

Re: Comparing VoiceOver And NVDA

[kliph miller Sr]

It came from David goldfields top tidbits news letter

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> On Mar 1, 2021, at 7:21 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Kliph,
> Who wrote the article and where is it from?
> 
> 
> Richard
> 
> "You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a 
> Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of asphyxiation in 
> deep space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I 
> was young."
> "Why, what did she tell you?"
> "I don't know, I didn't listen."
> -- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy
> 
>> On Mar 1, 2021, at 4:49 AM, kliph miller Sr  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
 It’s clear to me about this article 2 things.
>>> 1. This is a windows user
>>> 2. They haven’t done there homework.
>>> Note: I am not the author of this article!
>>> 
 Introduction
 The modern era has brought many advantages for those who are blind or 
 visually impaired. One of the most important tools a blind user uses with 
 modern computing  devices is a screen reader. Traditionally, screen 
 readers have been very expensive third-party programs that were very 
 difficult to obtain depending on one’s financial status. However, several 
 free yet capable screen readers have emerged in the last 20 years. The two 
 that we will be discussing are Apple’s VoiceOver for macOS and the 
 Nonvisual Desktop Access or NVDA for Windows. Both are powerful screen 
 readers in their own right, but they have their strengths and weaknesses 
 which I will discuss in more detail. Hopefully by the end of this article, 
 you will have a better understanding of each product and its individual 
 strengths/weaknesses.
 
 NVDA
 Nonvisual Desktop Access or NVDA for short is a free and open source 
 screen reader for the Microsoft Windows operating system. The organization 
 behind the project is an Australian company called NV Access 
 (www.nvaccess.org 
 ).
  It has been around since 2006 and primarily competes with the JAWS for 
 Windows screen reader produced by Freedom Scientific or Vispero as they 
 are now known by. It offers many of the same features that JAWS offers and 
 should be suitable for 99% of screen reader users. The philosophy behind 
 NVDA is extremely compelling. It is offered free of charge to anyone in 
 the world, meaning there is no longer a financial barrier for blind people 
 to work, learn, or do anything else on a computer. NV Access does rely on 
 donations, either from individuals or grants from large companies, so if 
 you can donate, it is very much worth it to help this amazing project 
 continue long into the future. The obvious benefit is that a blind person 
 can compete on a level playing field with sighted peers at no more cost 
 than anyone else. Updates to NVDA are also free, and NV Access releases 
 3-4 updates per year that fix bugs and add new features.
 
 Since NVDA is open source 
 ,
  anyone is free to review the source code and propose changes. While 
 anyone can propose a change and submit code, it’s still reviewed and 
 approved by NV Access before it is included in anything anyone can 
 download. This ensures the security of the software from unauthorised 
 changes and means that the final product available from 
 https://www.nvaccess.org/ 
 
  is just as secure and well vetted as the closed source from another 
 company. Thousands of people from all over the world constantly contribute 
 to the 

RE: Comparing VoiceOver And NVDA

[richring]

This person knows very little about VoiceOver and shouldn’t be comparing it to 
NVDA!

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Monday, March 1, 2021 8:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Comparing VoiceOver And NVDA

 

I think the author is pretty upfront about the fact that they’re currently a 
Windows user. Maybe you’d like to point out where the article is incorrect. I’m 
not a VoiceOver user on the Mac myself, but I would like to know more.

 

Also, if you’re going to repost an article it would be good if you could post 
the entire article, including who the author is or provide a link to the 
article, so people can read it in it’s entirety. BTW, I did see this forwarded 
to another list, so this isn’t my first time reading this.

 

--

Christopher (AKA CJ)

Chaltain at Outlook

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
kliph miller Sr
Sent: Monday, March 1, 2021 6:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Comparing VoiceOver And NVDA

 


It’s clear to me about this article 2 things. 


1. This is a windows user

2. They haven’t done there homework.

Note: I am not the author of this article!

 


Introduction


The modern era has brought many advantages for those who are blind or visually 
impaired. One of the most important tools a blind user uses with modern 
computing devices is a screen reader. Traditionally, screen readers have been 
very expensive third-party programs that were very difficult to obtain 
depending on one’s financial status. However, several free yet capable screen 
readers have emerged in the last 20 years. The two that we will be discussing 
are Apple’s VoiceOver for macOS and the Nonvisual Desktop Access or NVDA for 
Windows. Both are powerful screen readers in their own right, but they have 
their strengths and weaknesses which I will discuss in more detail. Hopefully 
by the end of this article, you will have a better understanding of each 
product and its individual strengths/weaknesses.


NVDA


Nonvisual Desktop Access or NVDA for short is a free and open source screen 
reader for the Microsoft Windows operating system. The organization behind the 
project is an Australian company called NV Access (  
www.nvaccess.org). It has been around since 2006 and primarily competes with 
the JAWS for Windows screen reader produced by Freedom Scientific or Vispero as 
they are now known by. It offers many of the same features that JAWS offers and 
should be suitable for 99% of screen reader users. The philosophy behind NVDA 
is extremely compelling. It is offered free of charge to anyone in the world, 
meaning there is no longer a financial barrier for blind people to work, learn, 
or do anything else on a computer. NV Access does rely on donations, either 
from individuals or grants from large companies, so if you can donate, it is 
very much worth it to help this amazing project continue long into the future. 
The obvious benefit is that a blind person can compete on a level playing field 
with sighted peers at no more cost than anyone else. Updates to NVDA are also 
free, and NV Access releases 3-4 updates per year that fix bugs and add new 
features.

Since NVDA is   open source, 
anyone is free to review the source code and propose changes. While anyone can 
propose a change and submit code, it’s still reviewed and approved by NV Access 
before it is included in anything anyone can download. This ensures the 
security of the software from unauthorised changes and means that the final 
product available from   https://www.nvaccess.org/ 
is just as secure and well vetted as the closed source from another company. 
Thousands of people from all over the world constantly contribute to the 
project which benefits everyone in the end. NVDA is a screen reader made for 
the blind by the blind. NV Access is overseen by a board of directors (of whom 
at least 33% must be blind or vision impaired, according to their  
 constitution.


VoiceOver


  VoiceOver is 
Apple’s built-in and the only screen reader for the Mac. It has been around 
since 2005, although the last significant update was in 2011 with Mac OS X 
Lion. VoiceOver works well with Apple’s built-in apps and used to be very 
reliable. Since it is built into the system, anyone can walk up to a Mac 
running a modern version of macOS and get it talking by pressing Command+F5. 
Apple should be commended for building a very capable screen reader into the 
system and showing the rest of the world that it is possible to build very 
robust accessibility features into mainstream products.

As previously mentioned, however, VoiceOver is not as reliable as it could or 
should 

RE: Comparing VoiceOver And NVDA

[Christopher Chaltain]

I think the author is pretty upfront about the fact that they’re currently a 
Windows user. Maybe you’d like to point out where the article is incorrect. I’m 
not a VoiceOver user on the Mac myself, but I would like to know more.

Also, if you’re going to repost an article it would be good if you could post 
the entire article, including who the author is or provide a link to the 
article, so people can read it in it’s entirety. BTW, I did see this forwarded 
to another list, so this isn’t my first time reading this.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of kliph 
miller Sr
Sent: Monday, March 1, 2021 6:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Comparing VoiceOver And NVDA

It’s clear to me about this article 2 things.
1. This is a windows user
2. They haven’t done there homework.
Note: I am not the author of this article!


Introduction
The modern era has brought many advantages for those who are blind or visually 
impaired. One of the most important tools a blind user uses with modern 
computing devices is a screen reader. Traditionally, screen readers have been 
very expensive third-party programs that were very difficult to obtain 
depending on one’s financial status. However, several free yet capable screen 
readers have emerged in the last 20 years. The two that we will be discussing 
are Apple’s VoiceOver for macOS and the Nonvisual Desktop Access or NVDA for 
Windows. Both are powerful screen readers in their own right, but they have 
their strengths and weaknesses which I will discuss in more detail. Hopefully 
by the end of this article, you will have a better understanding of each 
product and its individual strengths/weaknesses.
NVDA
Nonvisual Desktop Access or NVDA for short is a free and open source screen 
reader for the Microsoft Windows operating system. The organization behind the 
project is an Australian company called NV Access 
(www.nvaccess.org). It has been around since 2006 and 
primarily competes with the JAWS for Windows screen reader produced by Freedom 
Scientific or Vispero as they are now known by. It offers many of the same 
features that JAWS offers and should be suitable for 99% of screen reader 
users. The philosophy behind NVDA is extremely compelling. It is offered free 
of charge to anyone in the world, meaning there is no longer a financial 
barrier for blind people to work, learn, or do anything else on a computer. NV 
Access does rely on donations, either from individuals or grants from large 
companies, so if you can donate, it is very much worth it to help this amazing 
project continue long into the future. The obvious benefit is that a blind 
person can compete on a level playing field with sighted peers at no more cost 
than anyone else. Updates to NVDA are also free, and NV Access releases 3-4 
updates per year that fix bugs and add new features.
Since NVDA is open source, anyone 
is free to review the source code and propose changes. While anyone can propose 
a change and submit code, it’s still reviewed and approved by NV Access before 
it is included in anything anyone can download. This ensures the security of 
the software from unauthorised changes and means that the final product 
available from https://www.nvaccess.org/ is just as secure and well vetted as 
the closed source from another company. Thousands of people from all over the 
world constantly contribute to the project which benefits everyone in the end. 
NVDA is a screen reader made for the blind by the blind. NV Access is overseen 
by a board of directors (of whom at least 33% must be blind or vision impaired, 
according to their constitution.
VoiceOver
VoiceOver is 
Apple’s built-in and the only screen reader for the Mac. It has been around 
since 2005, although the last significant update was in 2011 with Mac OS X 
Lion. VoiceOver works well with Apple’s built-in apps and used to be very 
reliable. Since it is built into the system, anyone can walk up to a Mac 
running a modern version of macOS and get it talking by pressing Command+F5. 
Apple should be commended for building a very capable screen reader into the 
system and showing the rest of the world that it is possible to build very 
robust accessibility features into mainstream products.
As previously mentioned, however, VoiceOver is not as reliable as it could or 
should be. Apple has not made significant changes in nearly a decade, and bugs 
are rarely if ever fixed. Issues have piled up over the years and the 
experience, while still good, is far from satisfactory depending on the tasks 
you wish to do. The latest trend appears to be introducing bugs that make 
certain things unusable. For example, there is a bug in macOS Big Sur where 
VoiceOver crashes when opening the Disk Utility application in macOS 

Re: Comparing VoiceOver And NVDA

[Richard Turner]

Kliph,
Who wrote the article and where is it from?


Richard

"You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a Vogon 
airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of asphyxiation in deep 
space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I was 
young."
"Why, what did she tell you?"
"I don't know, I didn't listen."
-- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy

On Mar 1, 2021, at 4:49 AM, kliph miller Sr  wrote:


It’s clear to me about this article 2 things.
1. This is a windows user
2. They haven’t done there homework.
Note: I am not the author of this article!

Introduction

The modern era has brought many advantages for those who are blind or visually 
impaired. One of the most important tools a blind user uses with modern 
computing devices is a screen reader. Traditionally, screen readers have been 
very expensive third-party programs that were very difficult to obtain 
depending on one’s financial status. However, several free yet capable screen 
readers have emerged in the last 20 years. The two that we will be discussing 
are Apple’s VoiceOver for macOS and the Nonvisual Desktop Access or NVDA for 
Windows. Both are powerful screen readers in their own right, but they have 
their strengths and weaknesses which I will discuss in more detail. Hopefully 
by the end of this article, you will have a better understanding of each 
product and its individual strengths/weaknesses.

NVDA

Nonvisual Desktop Access or NVDA for short is a free and open source screen 
reader for the Microsoft Windows operating system. The organization behind the 
project is an Australian company called NV Access 
(www.nvaccess.org).
 It has been around since 2006 and primarily competes with the JAWS for Windows 
screen reader produced by Freedom Scientific or Vispero as they are now known 
by. It offers many of the same features that JAWS offers and should be suitable 
for 99% of screen reader users. The philosophy behind NVDA is extremely 
compelling. It is offered free of charge to anyone in the world, meaning there 
is no longer a financial barrier for blind people to work, learn, or do 
anything else on a computer. NV Access does rely on donations, either from 
individuals or grants from large companies, so if you can donate, it is very 
much worth it to help this amazing project continue long into the future. The 
obvious benefit is that a blind person can compete on a level playing field 
with sighted peers at no more cost than anyone else. Updates to NVDA are also 
free, and NV Access releases 3-4 updates per year that fix bugs and add new 
features.

Since NVDA is open 
source,
 anyone is free to review the source code and propose changes. While anyone can 
propose a change and submit code, it’s still reviewed and approved by NV Access 
before it is included in anything anyone can download. This ensures the 
security of the software from unauthorised changes and means that the final 
product available from 
https://www.nvaccess.org/
 is just as secure and well vetted as the closed source from another company. 
Thousands of people from all over the world constantly contribute to the 
project which benefits everyone in the end. NVDA is a screen reader made for 
the blind by the blind. NV Access is overseen by a board of directors (of whom 
at least 33% must be blind or vision impaired, according to their 
constitution.

VoiceOver

Re: iPhone 11 in the cold

[deidre muccio]

Thank you. I was hoping some other cold weather inhabitants would comment on 
this. Yeah I don’t see any reason why her 11 should be so fickle as compared to 
her 8+. And even my 6S and my SE 2020 never had problems in the cold so thanks 
for your confirmation. I will encourage her to do that.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 28, 2021, at 6:11 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> I would take it back to Apple, I have an iPhone 11 as well and live in 
> northwestern British Columbia. About 2 weeks ago we had an entire week when 
> temperatures were around -25 to -34 Celsius at night and -15 to -20 durinfg 
> the day. I would walk to work in the morning, I had my iPhone 11 in the chest 
> pocket of my down jacket or in a hip holster under the jacket, but still it 
> would get quite cold and I never had any issues with it. I usually listen to 
> an audio book with one ear when I walk and it never quit. But I do remember 
> that many years ago I had an iPhone 6S Plus which also did not like the cold 
> and it would sometimes just turn off even at -3 or -5.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of deidre 
> muccio
> Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2021 8:38 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: iPhone 11 in the cold
> 
> Speaking of new phones, someone who works with me just got a new iPhone 11 
> and it freezes up continually when the weathers cold. So anyone else having 
> that issue? With their 11s when outdoors even inborderline freezing weather? 
> That sounds like either a lemon or a real drawback to that particular phone.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Feb 27, 2021, at 8:58 AM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
>> Hi to all.  In a few more months
>> , I should have the money to purchase a new iPhone.  At first, I 
>> thought about the 12 pro, but I know, that maybe by October or around 
>> there, the new iPhone 13 will probably come out.  Should I wait for 
>> the 13 to come out, or purchase the 12 pro.  Thanks for any 
>> suggestions.
>> --
>> Joshua Hendrickson
>> 
>> Joshua Hendrickson
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Re: iPhone 11 in the cold

[deidre muccio]

My friends older phone 8+ never froze up in the cold. She used to shoot 
pictures in the snow, ofmy dog, while skiing, and inall kinds of bitter cold 
weather. Her 11 acted up shortly after she first got it while skiing in Utah 
over the holidays and not even in the worst cold weather possible. I told her, 
as someone mentioned here, the phone might’ve been still setting itself up. So 
she’s had less problems overtime than when she first got it. I do recall a few 
weeks ago though she pulled it out of her pocket to shoot some pictures of my 
dog with snow all over her nose that immediately froze up and she was quite 
perplexed.  she’s an outdoors woman, and she’s also glued to her phone, so you 
get the picture.Oh by the way oh by the way off and pull my phone out in the 
worst of weather to turn the GPS on, or to check my location, or to pop off a 
text real quick and I’ve never had my phone freeze up in the cold. Certainly if 
it’s left in the direct sun on a hot summer day it will turn itself off so I’ve 
learned not to do that. 
Yes my iPhone 6s used to get hot a lotEven even if the only thing I had open 
was tune in radio and it was playing. It still works though.
Deidre

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 1, 2021, at 2:44 AM, CJ & AA MAY  wrote:
> 
> I've never had any cold issues with my iPhone, although here in Kent we 
> rarely have temperatures below zero, however, my iPhone 6S Plus cannot 
> tolerate heat.
> Alison
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: 28 February 2021 23:12
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: iPhone 11 in the cold
> 
> I would take it back to Apple, I have an iPhone 11 as well and live in 
> northwestern British Columbia. About 2 weeks ago we had an entire week when 
> temperatures were around -25 to -34 Celsius at night and -15 to -20 durinfg 
> the day. I would walk to work in the morning, I had my iPhone 11 in the chest 
> pocket of my down jacket or in a hip holster under the jacket, but still it 
> would get quite cold and I never had any issues with it. I usually listen to 
> an audio book with one ear when I walk and it never quit. But I do remember 
> that many years ago I had an iPhone 6S Plus which also did not like the cold 
> and it would sometimes just turn off even at -3 or -5.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of deidre 
> muccio
> Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2021 8:38 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: iPhone 11 in the cold
> 
> Speaking of new phones, someone who works with me just got a new iPhone 11 
> and it freezes up continually when the weathers cold. So anyone else having 
> that issue? With their 11s when outdoors even inborderline freezing weather? 
> That sounds like either a lemon or a real drawback to that particular phone.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Feb 27, 2021, at 8:58 AM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
>> Hi to all.  In a few more months
>> , I should have the money to purchase a new iPhone.  At first, I 
>> thought about the 12 pro, but I know, that maybe by October or around 
>> there, the new iPhone 13 will probably come out.  Should I wait for 
>> the 13 to come out, or purchase the 12 pro.  Thanks for any 
>> suggestions.
>> --
>> Joshua Hendrickson
>> 
>> Joshua Hendrickson
>> 
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Comparing VoiceOver And NVDA

[kliph miller Sr]

>> It’s clear to me about this article 2 things.
> 1. This is a windows user
> 2. They haven’t done there homework.
> Note: I am not the author of this article!
> 
>> Introduction
>> The modern era has brought many advantages for those who are blind or 
>> visually impaired. One of the most important tools a blind user uses with 
>> modern computing devices is a screen reader. Traditionally, screen readers 
>> have been very expensive third-party programs that were very difficult to 
>> obtain depending on one’s financial status. However, several free yet 
>> capable screen readers have emerged in the last 20 years. The two that we 
>> will be discussing are Apple’s VoiceOver for macOS and the Nonvisual Desktop 
>> Access or NVDA for Windows. Both are powerful screen readers in their own 
>> right, but they have their strengths and weaknesses which I will discuss in 
>> more detail. Hopefully by the end of this article, you will have a better 
>> understanding of each product and its individual strengths/weaknesses.
>> 
>> NVDA
>> Nonvisual Desktop Access or NVDA for short is a free and open source screen 
>> reader for the Microsoft Windows operating system. The organization behind 
>> the project is an Australian company called NV Access (www.nvaccess.org 
>> ). It has been around since 2006 and primarily 
>> competes with the JAWS for Windows screen reader produced by Freedom 
>> Scientific or Vispero as they are now known by. It offers many of the same 
>> features that JAWS offers and should be suitable for 99% of screen reader 
>> users. The philosophy behind NVDA is extremely compelling. It is offered 
>> free of charge to anyone in the world, meaning there is no longer a 
>> financial barrier for blind people to work, learn, or do anything else on a 
>> computer. NV Access does rely on donations, either from individuals or 
>> grants from large companies, so if you can donate, it is very much worth it 
>> to help this amazing project continue long into the future. The obvious 
>> benefit is that a blind person can compete on a level playing field with 
>> sighted peers at no more cost than anyone else. Updates to NVDA are also 
>> free, and NV Access releases 3-4 updates per year that fix bugs and add new 
>> features.
>> 
>> Since NVDA is open source , 
>> anyone is free to review the source code and propose changes. While anyone 
>> can propose a change and submit code, it’s still reviewed and approved by NV 
>> Access before it is included in anything anyone can download. This ensures 
>> the security of the software from unauthorised changes and means that the 
>> final product available from https://www.nvaccess.org/ 
>>  is just as secure and well vetted as the closed 
>> source from another company. Thousands of people from all over the world 
>> constantly contribute to the project which benefits everyone in the end. 
>> NVDA is a screen reader made for the blind by the blind. NV Access is 
>> overseen by a board of directors (of whom at least 33% must be blind or 
>> vision impaired, according to their constitution 
>> .
>> 
>> VoiceOver
>> VoiceOver  is 
>> Apple’s built-in and the only screen reader for the Mac. It has been around 
>> since 2005, although the last significant update was in 2011 with Mac OS X 
>> Lion. VoiceOver works well with Apple’s built-in apps and used to be very 
>> reliable. Since it is built into the system, anyone can walk up to a Mac 
>> running a modern version of macOS and get it talking by pressing Command+F5. 
>> Apple should be commended for building a very capable screen reader into the 
>> system and showing the rest of the world that it is possible to build very 
>> robust accessibility features into mainstream products.
>> 
>> As previously mentioned, however, VoiceOver is not as reliable as it could 
>> or should be. Apple has not made significant changes in nearly a decade, and 
>> bugs are rarely if ever fixed. Issues have piled up over the years and the 
>> experience, while still good, is far from satisfactory depending on the 
>> tasks you wish to do. The latest trend appears to be introducing bugs that 
>> make certain things unusable. For example, there is a bug in macOS Big Sur 
>> where VoiceOver crashes when opening the Disk Utility application in macOS 
>> Recovery mode 
>> .
>>  This is absolutely unacceptable and would be fixed promptly if it was 
>> impacting sighted users, yet someone somewhere decided it was okay to 
>> release with this broken feature for blind users. This goes against Apple’s 
>> commitment to accessibility 
>>  and the high 
>> standard of quality many would 

Re: Some questions about the Audible app

[Joshua Hendrickson]

It is a kids book, but it is a lot of fun.

On 2/28/21, Esther  wrote:
> I just downloaded it as well. I thought it said it was a children's book
> though. Anyway, it still sounds interesting. Esther
>
> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!
>
>> On Feb 28, 2021, at 4:28 PM, Joshua Hendrickson 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Barb.  Check out The 13th Floor on bard again.  I just downloaded
>> the book again, and it sounds just fine to me.  I'm not hearing any
>> bad quality issues with the book at all.
>>
>>> On 2/28/21, Barbara Stahl  wrote:
>>>
>>>
 On Feb 28, 2021, at 2:46 PM, Joshua Hendrickson 
 wrote:

 I remember reading that book as a kid.  I'll have to check it out.
 That book was a lot of fun.  Unfortunately bard may be the only place
 to get that book in a human read audio format.  I actually contacted
 listening Library several years ago, and asked about that book and it
 hadn't been converted to digital format from cassette.  I'll have to
 check the quality on bard.

> On 2/28/21, Barbara Stahl  wrote:
> It was the 13th floor by Sid Fleishmen Note I am guessing about the
> spelling
> of the author's name.
> Concerning BARD, I love the nevigation features within the app, but I
> hate
> that you cannot use them outside of the app such as with bluetooth
> headphones or a speaker. It means you have to have the phone with you
> in
> order to rewind a tiny bit if I happen to miss something.
>
>> On Feb 27, 2021, at 6:21 PM, Joshua Hendrickson 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Barbara, what was the book you found from your childhood on bard?
>>
>>> On 2/27/21, Richard Turner  wrote:
>>> One note about BARD, if you use the rewind or fast forward buttons
>>> on
>>> either
>>> side of the play/stop button, a one finger double tap jumps by 5
>>> seconds,
>>> but if you double tap and hold, it will announce the time as it
>>> moves,
>>> like
>>> 5 seconds 20 seconds, 1 minute, etc.
>>>
>>> Also, many, many, titles on BARD are now the same as the commercial
>>> titles
>>> on Audible, or any other commcerial audio book source.
>>> And, most of the BARD readers are professionals, though there are
>>> times
>>> when
>>> a book is produced by a local NLS chapter with volunteers and the
>>> reading
>>> quality may vary.
>>> Also, if it was converted from a very old cassette, the quality can
>>> be
>>> lower
>>> than one would prefer.
>>>
>>> But overall, I find the BARD recordings quite good.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Richard
>>>
>>> Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical
>>> object<>to
>>> realize that you are in a hurry.
>>>
>>>
>>> My web site, www.turner42.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
>>> Of
>>> Barbara Stahl
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2021 3:00 PM
>>> To: Viphone 
>>> Subject: Re: Some questions about the Audible app
>>>
>>> I really like audible. I have the gold plan and get one credit a
>>> month.
>>> There are also lots of sales where you get books for reduced prices
>>> and
>>> two
>>> books for one credit . I like to add books to my wish list and wait
>>> for
>>> them
>>> to be on sale to buy them. There are also daily deals every day.
>>> There
>>> is
>>> also the plus catalog with hundreds of free titles to listen to. I
>>> also
>>> love
>>> the book navigation in audible. I can easily move forward and back
>>> by
>>> chapter or in 30 second intervals. I also love that I can easily
>>> move
>>> back
>>> and forward 30 seconds when the screen is locked and using all my
>>> headphones
>>> and speakers. I cannot do that with most other listening apps such
>>> as
>>> BARD.
>>> It just moves me back an entire section instead of the 30 seconds I
>>> wanted
>>> to move. I love free books and often use bard,  But, I think that
>>> the
>>> narration quality is much better with audible than with BARD. I
>>> recently
>>> found an old childhood book on BARD that was not available in audio
>>> anywhere
>>> else and I was so disappointed that the narration is absolutely
>>> terrible.
>>> I
>>> really wish that the commercial version were available on audible. I
>>> would
>>> buy it in a snap.
>>>
>>>