RE: Face ID Revisited

[Fazil M.]

Thanks much, Sieghard.

Is swipe up same as flick up that we do when select a month or a day? Or is it 
like as we move icon to icon?

Or, is this like dragging/rubbing my fingertip on the screen-surface starting 
from the bottom edge of the screen and drag it to the middle of it?

I am very sorry for being vague.

Thanks again.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2022 9:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face ID Revisited

 

Fazil, after you wake up your phone you first have to swipe up from the bottom 
of the screen. If I hold my iPhone in front of my face with the screen locked 
and then press the side button the lock screen comes up but nothing else 
happens. As soon as I touch near the bottom of the phone and swipe up about 
half way Face Id is activated and my phone unlocks instantly.

 

As for Chris's concern, I also have my bank apps, credit card apps and so on 
installed on my phone, but they need separate verification and while you can 
set most of such apps to also use Face Id, you don't have to. If you were 
really concerned, why not at least allow the phone to be unlocked with Face Id, 
but set up your important apps to require you to enter your password?

As for a thief holding the phone up to my face, first of all said thief has to 
get a hold of my phone which if it is a grab and run means he won't have time 
to unlock it by holding it up to my face. If you had Touch Id before, did you 
also not use it? After all, a thief could just force you to put your finger on 
the home button and for that matter, how much paid would you take before you 
give him your passcode?

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Fazil M.
Sent: January 1, 2022 12:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Face ID Revisited

 

Hi, Cris.

How do you unlock the phone with the passcode?

I, for instance, ask Siri to launch Messages for me and she wants me unlock the 
phone first with the number pad on the screen. I type the passcode and Messages 
app opens. But I can not go to homepage from there. Again I have to ask Siri to 
open certain apps for me but, since the phone is unlocked now, she does not ask 
for the passcode.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Cris 
Ali
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2022 11:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Face ID Revisited

 

I used face id for less than one month, then I decided to switch back to 
setting a code because I believe it is much safer. I use my phone for a lot of 
financial transactions, including banking, shopping, stocks etc… If a thief got 
hold of my iPhone, all of what he needs to do is to direct the camera at my 
face, after that he will have full access to my life.

Sent from my iPad

 

On Jan 1, 2022, at 1:42 PM, Fazil M. mailto:mfa...@outlook.com> > wrote:

 

Should the earpiece in front of my upper lip or my nose or somewhere else?

Thanks!

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
regina alvarado
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2022 10:35 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Face ID Revisited

 

Fázil, just keep trying my friend. I think you either have it tipped back too 
far or you’re not putting it at the right distance from your face. If you have 
attention turned off it’s just a matter of putting it just about 10 inches from 
your face. I had a terrible time at the beginning. Sometimes I still have 
trouble, but it really does work. It’s just that you have to practice it. It’s 
just like those little blimps on the bottom and the top. It takes time to get 
used to doing it. It takes practice to do it properly. It will come, and then 
you’ll feel just as comfortable with Face ID as you did with the home button. 
Hang in there. happy new year to you and to everyone!

Reggie Alvarado 


On Jan 1, 2022, at 12:12 PM, Fazil M. mailto:mfa...@outlook.com> > wrote:

 

Hi Group.

I am having problem with using Face ID to unlock my iPhone12.

I successfully complete two steps of setting up face ID and double tapped Done 
Button and iPhone says face ID is ready to use. Attention is off too.

I am unable to unlock phone with face id.

Any more tips to unlock phone with face id is much appreciated.

Thanks!

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
 
If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
 
Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: 
mk...@ucla.edu  . Your list owner

RE: A reason not to spend the big Bucks for Apple Airpods including Airpod Max or at least not yet

[Sieghard Weitzel]

The Airpods Max here in Canada are $779 + taxes, since in Ontario you have 15% 
HST that means you would pay $ 895.85 for them.
The Airpods Pro are $329 + taxes and the Airpods Third Gen are $239 + taxes, 
still 274.85.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of mich 
verrier
Sent: January 1, 2022 8:23 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: A reason not to spend the big Bucks for Apple Airpods including 
Airpod Max or at least not yet

I also agree with that as well and speeking as a Canadion yes I agree it does 
cost more hear in Canada then it does in the US. And let's also bring in to the 
situation those of us who live on fixt incomes like Ontario Disibillidey 
support and live on like my self 700 a month for paying bills etc oncemy rent 
is taken off. Yes I know that we have a lot more to live on but I am strickley 
talking about the amount in the bank that we have to play around with once the 
rent is taken off of my check every month since it is taken off automatically. 
So for instince I have never had enough to pay for a IPhone out right so I am 
stuck paying off a phone on a 2 year contract the same go's forajy other apple 
products like the apple watch for example. Shure you can get one for 0 dollars 
down but you still have to pay it off over the years. It would be nice if 
programs hear in Ontario like the assistive divices program would support the 
purchis of different apple products like the apple watch Iphone, etc. in fact I 
filld out a servay that made that idea. My point is that I agree what people 
choose or not choose to spend there oney on is there choice how ever not 
everyone has the funds to upgrade to the latest and gratest every year or what 
have you. For instince I am still using the Iphone 8 and it is still holding up 
verry well. Could I upgrade? Yes of korce I could and I might or I might just 
wate. But for instince the air pods wile I like the idea of beaing whierless 
and having bluetuth on my phone I don't lissen to music will going out for 
walks and stuff so to me the idea of just whired ear buds are just fine. How 
ever I am happy to hear that they are only 200 instead of the 700 or what I 
thought they would be. From Mich Verrier from New Liskeard Ontario Canada.   

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: January 1, 2022 11:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: A reason not to spend the big Bucks for Apple Airpods including 
Airpod Max or at least not yet

I  agree with that, but it also depends on whether you are talking about 
technology which is what I would call essential and technology which is less 
so. I need my iPhone for many things every day so it better be in top shape, 
but while for me a set of wired Earbuds are essential, a $700 Bluetooth headset 
like the Airpods Max is luxury and before all of you south of the border inform 
me that it is only $549 or whatever it costs there, I am talking about our 
currency.
Anyways, it's like with everything, people decide what they need and what they 
want and spend their money accordingly.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: January 1, 2022 6:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: A reason not to spend the big Bucks for Apple Airpods including 
Airpod Max or at least not yet

True, everything will be better in a year or two but then that's a year or two 
I'll be using even older technology while I keep waiting. I'm not saying people 
should never wait. It obviously depends on how long you'd be waiting and how 
unhappy you are with what you have now. I tend to keep my technology for quite 
a while, but I don't wait as long as I used to. I held on to my iPhone 4S 
forever because I kept thinking if I just wait another six months, I'll see 
what Samsung has to offer and then six months after that Apple will have some 
new iPhones out and so on. By the time I pulled the trigger I was using a 
device I was pretty unhappy with and that hadn't been getting IOS updates for a 
while.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, January 1, 2022 1:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: A reason not to spend the big Bucks for Apple Airpods including 
Airpod Max or at least not yet

A statement which very rarely applies to technology because whatever passes me 
by will be better in a year or two.
A good example would be the Airpods, if I wanted to buy a set I'd much rather 
buy them now than when they first came out 4 or whatever years ago because I 
know I'd be replacing them by now.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Andy 
Baracco
Sent: December 31, 2021 6:48 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A reason not to spend the big Bucks for Apple Airpods including 
Airpod Max or at least not yet

RE: Face ID Revisited

[Sieghard Weitzel]

There is no need for sunshine, just do it in normal indoor lighting and it's 
fine.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: January 1, 2022 2:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face ID Revisited

I set mine up in bright, afternoon sunshine on the west side of the building 
one afternoon. Now, it doesn't matter if I am in light or dark, dark glasses or 
not, it works. It does have to align with the face though. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Lynn Schneider
Sent: Saturday, January 1, 2022 4:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face ID Revisited

Fazil, if it is any consolation, I am having the same struggle with face ID. I 
have mastered the gestures to get to things without the home button, but face 
ID continues to bedevil me. Interestingly, sometimes it will work with no 
problem and I have no idea why, but mostly, I cannot unlock my phone using my 
face. I have attention turned off and like you, I have successfully gone 
through the training exercise multiple times, with and without sighted help, 
which ends with a message that face ID was successfully set up, but for reasons 
I can’t understand, mostly it does not work. I have only had the phone for 3 
days and I know that other blind people out there with prosthetic eyes are 
doing face ID successfully, so I refuse to give up, but I admit it is quite 
frustrating since I love everything else about my 13 Pro. I have even reset the 
face ID several times in different light and dark situations, with and without 
sighted help, and even set up an alternate face, but still no joy. Also, it is 
very hard to get the keypad to come up to enter the passcode. You will have to 
learn the new gestures for getting to the home screen, control center, app 
switcher, etc., but I did not find that very difficult after practice. I know 
that I have to embrace change and except new things, and again, I like this 
bigger phone and I love the battery life compared to my iPhone 8, so I don’t 
want to go back to that phone again, but I hate using a passcode to 
authenticate, so I am really hoping that I can get this worked out. I wish us 
both patience and good luck. LOL.


Sent from my iPhone


On Jan 1, 2022, at 12:12 PM, Fazil M.  wrote:



 

Hi Group.

I am having problem with using Face ID to unlock my iPhone12.

I successfully complete two steps of setting up face ID and double 
tapped Done Button and iPhone says face ID is ready to use. Attention is off 
too.

I am unable to unlock phone with face id.

Any more tips to unlock phone with face id is much appreciated.

Thanks!



-- 
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone 
list.
 
If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, 
or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners 
or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
 
Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: 
mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
caraqu...@caraquinn.com
 
The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google 
Groups "VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send 
an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
 .
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/MWHPR20MB1216251986B9C8485A0B9301C9479%40MWHPR20MB1216.namprd20.prod.outlook.com
 

 .


-- 
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
 
If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
 
Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: 
mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
caraqu...@caraquinn.com
 
The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
 .
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/CC

RE: Face ID Revisited

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Fazil,

You may want to go back and see your Hindi-speaking Apple employee and ask her 
to teach you the gestures to go to the home screen and bring up the app 
switcher. Once you learn them they will be second nature and you won't even 
think about it.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Fazil M.
Sent: January 1, 2022 1:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face ID Revisited

Thanks much, Lynn.
It, indeed, is a big consolation and great commiseration to know that you are 
not alone suffering this…….*smile). I find the keypad with relative ease.
How do you go to homepage once the phone is unlocked?
Thanks!
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Lynn 
Schneider
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2022 1:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face ID Revisited

Fazil, if it is any consolation, I am having the same struggle with face ID. I 
have mastered the gestures to get to things without the home button, but face 
ID continues to bedevil me. Interestingly, sometimes it will work with no 
problem and I have no idea why, but mostly, I cannot unlock my phone using my 
face. I have attention turned off and like you, I have successfully gone 
through the training exercise multiple times, with and without sighted help, 
which ends with a message that face ID was successfully set up, but for reasons 
I can’t understand, mostly it does not work. I have only had the phone for 3 
days and I know that other blind people out there with prosthetic eyes are 
doing face ID successfully, so I refuse to give up, but I admit it is quite 
frustrating since I love everything else about my 13 Pro. I have even reset the 
face ID several times in different light and dark situations, with and without 
sighted help, and even set up an alternate face, but still no joy. Also, it is 
very hard to get the keypad to come up to enter the passcode. You will have to 
learn the new gestures for getting to the home screen, control center, app 
switcher, etc., but I did not find that very difficult after practice. I know 
that I have to embrace change and except new things, and again, I like this 
bigger phone and I love the battery life compared to my iPhone 8, so I don’t 
want to go back to that phone again, but I hate using a passcode to 
authenticate, so I am really hoping that I can get this worked out. I wish us 
both patience and good luck. LOL.
Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 1, 2022, at 12:12 PM, Fazil M. 
mailto:mfa...@outlook.com>> wrote:

Hi Group.
I am having problem with using Face ID to unlock my iPhone12.
I successfully complete two steps of setting up face ID and double tapped Done 
Button and iPhone says face ID is ready to use. Attention is off too.
I am unable to unlock phone with face id.
Any more tips to unlock phone with face id is much appreciated.
Thanks!
--
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: 
mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can 
reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com

The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
---
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to 
viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/MWHPR20MB1216251986B9C8485A0B9301C9479%40MWHPR20MB1216.namprd20.prod.outlook.com.
--
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: 
mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can 
reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com

The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
---
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to 
viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/C

RE: Face ID Revisited

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Fazil, the camera sees a lot, just don't hold it too close to your face. I just 
did a few tests, if I held it really close like just the length of a finger 
away from my face, it didn't work,. I then moved it a bit further and it 
unlocked, it seems 6 or 8 inches is even enough, but then I also tried it 
holding it as far away as I could which means basically at arms length and it 
also worked so there definitely is quite a lot of wiggle room. Usually if you 
hold it about 30 cm away as Caroline suggested it should be fine.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Fazil M.
Sent: January 1, 2022 12:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face ID Revisited

Thanks much Carolyn.
Does face include the portion from the chin to the forehead including lips, 
nose, cheeks and earlobes,, right?
Thanks!

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2022 12:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face ID Revisited

You punch in your numbers you set for the passcode. I have a six number code; 
my husband just has four on his tablet. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Fazil M.
Sent: Saturday, January 1, 2022 3:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face ID Revisited

Hi, Cris.

How do you unlock the phone with the passcode?

I, for instance, ask Siri to launch Messages for me and she wants me unlock the 
phone first with the number pad on the screen. I type the passcode and Messages 
app opens. But I can not go to homepage from there. Again I have to ask Siri to 
open certain apps for me but, since the phone is unlocked now, she does not ask 
for the passcode.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cris Ali
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2022 11:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face ID Revisited

 

I used face id for less than one month, then I decided to switch back to 
setting a code because I believe it is much safer. I use my phone for a lot of 
financial transactions, including banking, shopping, stocks etc… If a thief got 
hold of my iPhone, all of what he needs to do is to direct the camera at my 
face, after that he will have full access to my life.

Sent from my iPad





On Jan 1, 2022, at 1:42 PM, Fazil M. mailto:mfa...@outlook.com> > wrote:

 

Should the earpiece in front of my upper lip or my nose or somewhere 
else?

Thanks!

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
regina alvarado
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2022 10:35 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Face ID Revisited

 

Fázil, just keep trying my friend. I think you either have it tipped 
back too far or you’re not putting it at the right distance from your face. If 
you have attention turned off it’s just a matter of putting it just about 10 
inches from your face. I had a terrible time at the beginning. Sometimes I 
still have trouble, but it really does work. It’s just that you have to 
practice it. It’s just like those little blimps on the bottom and the top. It 
takes time to get used to doing it. It takes practice to do it properly. It 
will come, and then you’ll feel just as comfortable with Face ID as you did 
with the home button. Hang in there. happy new year to you and to everyone!

Reggie Alvarado 


On Jan 1, 2022, at 12:12 PM, Fazil M. mailto:mfa...@outlook.com> > wrote:

 

Hi Group.

I am having problem with using Face ID to unlock my iPhone12.

I successfully complete two steps of setting up face ID and double 
tapped Done Button and iPhone says face ID is ready to use. Attention is off 
too.

I am unable to unlock phone with face id.

Any more tips to unlock phone with face id is much appreciated.

Thanks!

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone 
list.
 
If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, 
or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners 
or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
 
Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: 
mk...@ucla.edu  . Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you 
can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com  
 
The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google 
Groups "VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send 
an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 

RE: Face ID Revisited

[Sieghard Weitzel]

And let's not forget that many iPhones may be stolen for parts, the fact is 
that if an iPhone has a passcode nobody will get into it, after all, even the 
government has a lot of problems to gert into a locked phone, but that doesn't 
mean they can't sell the screen and battery etc. to a repair shop or ship them 
off to Asia or some place where they are used to fix somebody's phone.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: January 1, 2022 12:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face ID Revisited

My husband, who is pretty good with tech stuff, says that if a sighted person 
tried to steel my phone, it would be pitched into the garbage, because of 
VoiceOver and, when I have it engaged, Screen Curtain. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Alan Lemly
Sent: Saturday, January 1, 2022 3:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face ID Revisited

Cris, 

I guess I see your point but you seem to be sacrificing a lot of convenience 
for the supposed risk. Only you can assess the reel risk to which you're 
exposed but unless your thief also gets your passcode or takes your face too, 
it seems unlikely they'll gain access to all your stuff. Each financial app 
requires face ID to access it and without your passcode, the face ID cannot be 
reset. And I would think face ID with attention turned on would be more 
convenient than entering a four or six digit PIN every time. But to each his 
own. 

Alan Lemly 


Sent from my iPhone with Outlook   for iOS 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Cris Ali 

Sent: Saturday, January 1, 2022 1:54:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Face ID Revisited 
 
I used face id for less than one month, then I decided to switch back to 
setting a code because I believe it is much safer. I use my phone for a lot of 
financial transactions, including banking, shopping, stocks etc… If a thief got 
hold of my iPhone, all of what he needs to do is to direct the camera at my 
face, after that he will have full access to my life.


Sent from my iPad


On Jan 1, 2022, at 1:42 PM, Fazil M.  wrote:



 

Should the earpiece in front of my upper lip or my nose or somewhere 
else?

Thanks!

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
regina alvarado
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2022 10:35 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face ID Revisited

 

Fázil, just keep trying my friend. I think you either have it tipped 
back too far or you’re not putting it at the right distance from your face. If 
you have attention turned off it’s just a matter of putting it just about 10 
inches from your face. I had a terrible time at the beginning. Sometimes I 
still have trouble, but it really does work. It’s just that you have to 
practice it. It’s just like those little blimps on the bottom and the top. It 
takes time to get used to doing it. It takes practice to do it properly. It 
will come, and then you’ll feel just as comfortable with Face ID as you did 
with the home button. Hang in there. happy new year to you and to everyone!

Reggie Alvarado 


On Jan 1, 2022, at 12:12 PM, Fazil M. mailto:mfa...@outlook.com> > wrote:

 

Hi Group.

I am having problem with using Face ID to unlock my iPhone12.

I successfully complete two steps of setting up face ID and double 
tapped Done Button and iPhone says face ID is ready to use. Attention is off 
too.

I am unable to unlock phone with face id.

Any more tips to unlock phone with face id is much appreciated.

Thanks!

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone 
list.
 
If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, 
or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners 
or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
 
Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: 
mk...@ucla.edu  . Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you 
can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com  
 
The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google 
Groups "VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send 
an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
 .
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/MWHPR20MB1216251986B9C8485A0B9301C9479%40MWHPR20MB1216.namprd20.prod.outlook.com
 

RE: Face ID Revisited

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I wouldn't count on that, any respecting iPhone thief would be very easily find 
out how to disable Voiceover and once Voiceover is turned off, screen curtain 
disappears into thin air.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: January 1, 2022 12:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face ID Revisited

My husband, who is pretty good with tech stuff, says that if a sighted person 
tried to steel my phone, it would be pitched into the garbage, because of 
VoiceOver and, when I have it engaged, Screen Curtain. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Alan Lemly
Sent: Saturday, January 1, 2022 3:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face ID Revisited

Cris, 

I guess I see your point but you seem to be sacrificing a lot of convenience 
for the supposed risk. Only you can assess the reel risk to which you're 
exposed but unless your thief also gets your passcode or takes your face too, 
it seems unlikely they'll gain access to all your stuff. Each financial app 
requires face ID to access it and without your passcode, the face ID cannot be 
reset. And I would think face ID with attention turned on would be more 
convenient than entering a four or six digit PIN every time. But to each his 
own. 

Alan Lemly 


Sent from my iPhone with Outlook   for iOS 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Cris Ali 

Sent: Saturday, January 1, 2022 1:54:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Face ID Revisited 
 
I used face id for less than one month, then I decided to switch back to 
setting a code because I believe it is much safer. I use my phone for a lot of 
financial transactions, including banking, shopping, stocks etc… If a thief got 
hold of my iPhone, all of what he needs to do is to direct the camera at my 
face, after that he will have full access to my life.


Sent from my iPad


On Jan 1, 2022, at 1:42 PM, Fazil M.  wrote:



 

Should the earpiece in front of my upper lip or my nose or somewhere 
else?

Thanks!

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
regina alvarado
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2022 10:35 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face ID Revisited

 

Fázil, just keep trying my friend. I think you either have it tipped 
back too far or you’re not putting it at the right distance from your face. If 
you have attention turned off it’s just a matter of putting it just about 10 
inches from your face. I had a terrible time at the beginning. Sometimes I 
still have trouble, but it really does work. It’s just that you have to 
practice it. It’s just like those little blimps on the bottom and the top. It 
takes time to get used to doing it. It takes practice to do it properly. It 
will come, and then you’ll feel just as comfortable with Face ID as you did 
with the home button. Hang in there. happy new year to you and to everyone!

Reggie Alvarado 


On Jan 1, 2022, at 12:12 PM, Fazil M. mailto:mfa...@outlook.com> > wrote:

 

Hi Group.

I am having problem with using Face ID to unlock my iPhone12.

I successfully complete two steps of setting up face ID and double 
tapped Done Button and iPhone says face ID is ready to use. Attention is off 
too.

I am unable to unlock phone with face id.

Any more tips to unlock phone with face id is much appreciated.

Thanks!

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone 
list.
 
If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, 
or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners 
or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
 
Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: 
mk...@ucla.edu  . Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you 
can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com  
 
The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google 
Groups "VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send 
an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
 .
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/MWHPR20MB1216251986B9C8485A0B9301C9479%40MWHPR20MB1216.namprd20.prod.outlook.com
 

 .

-- 
The following information is im

RE: Face ID Revisited

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Fazil, after you wake up your phone you first have to swipe up from the bottom 
of the screen. If I hold my iPhone in front of my face with the screen locked 
and then press the side button the lock screen comes up but nothing else 
happens. As soon as I touch near the bottom of the phone and swipe up about 
half way Face Id is activated and my phone unlocks instantly.

As for Chris's concern, I also have my bank apps, credit card apps and so on 
installed on my phone, but they need separate verification and while you can 
set most of such apps to also use Face Id, you don't have to. If you were 
really concerned, why not at least allow the phone to be unlocked with Face Id, 
but set up your important apps to require you to enter your password?
As for a thief holding the phone up to my face, first of all said thief has to 
get a hold of my phone which if it is a grab and run means he won't have time 
to unlock it by holding it up to my face. If you had Touch Id before, did you 
also not use it? After all, a thief could just force you to put your finger on 
the home button and for that matter, how much paid would you take before you 
give him your passcode?


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Fazil M.
Sent: January 1, 2022 12:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face ID Revisited

Hi, Cris.
How do you unlock the phone with the passcode?
I, for instance, ask Siri to launch Messages for me and she wants me unlock the 
phone first with the number pad on the screen. I type the passcode and Messages 
app opens. But I can not go to homepage from there. Again I have to ask Siri to 
open certain apps for me but, since the phone is unlocked now, she does not ask 
for the passcode.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cris Ali
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2022 11:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face ID Revisited

I used face id for less than one month, then I decided to switch back to 
setting a code because I believe it is much safer. I use my phone for a lot of 
financial transactions, including banking, shopping, stocks etc… If a thief got 
hold of my iPhone, all of what he needs to do is to direct the camera at my 
face, after that he will have full access to my life.
Sent from my iPad

On Jan 1, 2022, at 1:42 PM, Fazil M. 
mailto:mfa...@outlook.com>> wrote:

Should the earpiece in front of my upper lip or my nose or somewhere else?
Thanks!
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of regina 
alvarado
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2022 10:35 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face ID Revisited

Fázil, just keep trying my friend. I think you either have it tipped back too 
far or you’re not putting it at the right distance from your face. If you have 
attention turned off it’s just a matter of putting it just about 10 inches from 
your face. I had a terrible time at the beginning. Sometimes I still have 
trouble, but it really does work. It’s just that you have to practice it. It’s 
just like those little blimps on the bottom and the top. It takes time to get 
used to doing it. It takes practice to do it properly. It will come, and then 
you’ll feel just as comfortable with Face ID as you did with the home button. 
Hang in there. happy new year to you and to everyone!
Reggie Alvarado

On Jan 1, 2022, at 12:12 PM, Fazil M. 
mailto:mfa...@outlook.com>> wrote:

Hi Group.
I am having problem with using Face ID to unlock my iPhone12.
I successfully complete two steps of setting up face ID and double tapped Done 
Button and iPhone says face ID is ready to use. Attention is off too.
I am unable to unlock phone with face id.
Any more tips to unlock phone with face id is much appreciated.
Thanks!
--
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: 
mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can 
reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com

The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
---
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to 
viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/MWHPR20MB1216251986B9C8485A0B9301C9479%40MWHPR20MB1216.namprd20.prod.outlook.com

RE: Face ID Revisited

[Fazil M.]

Yes, I have successfully completed the two-step-process of face ID training and 
Voiceover confirmed the successful completion of the training process.

Thanks!

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Simon A 
Fogarty
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2022 6:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face ID Revisited

 

Hi Fassle,

 

Just wondering if you have voiceover on when you are trying to setup face id?

 

My phone the 13 pro max and the earlier 11 pro max let me know with voiceover 
when my face was out of alignment with the camera 

 

So if you listen to the voiceover prompts aas you setup face id 

It should let you kno what you have to do  as you go through the process.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Fazil M.
Sent: Sunday, 2 January 2022 7:42 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Face ID Revisited

 

Should the earpiece in front of my upper lip or my nose or somewhere else?

Thanks!

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
regina alvarado
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2022 10:35 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Face ID Revisited

 

Fázil, just keep trying my friend. I think you either have it tipped back too 
far or you’re not putting it at the right distance from your face. If you have 
attention turned off it’s just a matter of putting it just about 10 inches from 
your face. I had a terrible time at the beginning. Sometimes I still have 
trouble, but it really does work. It’s just that you have to practice it. It’s 
just like those little blimps on the bottom and the top. It takes time to get 
used to doing it. It takes practice to do it properly. It will come, and then 
you’ll feel just as comfortable with Face ID as you did with the home button. 
Hang in there. happy new year to you and to everyone!

Reggie Alvarado 


On Jan 1, 2022, at 12:12 PM, Fazil M. mailto:mfa...@outlook.com> > wrote:

 

Hi Group.

I am having problem with using Face ID to unlock my iPhone12.

I successfully complete two steps of setting up face ID and double tapped Done 
Button and iPhone says face ID is ready to use. Attention is off too.

I am unable to unlock phone with face id.

Any more tips to unlock phone with face id is much appreciated.

Thanks!

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
 
If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
 
Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: 
mk...@ucla.edu  . Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you 
can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com  
 
The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
 .
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/MWHPR20MB1216251986B9C8485A0B9301C9479%40MWHPR20MB1216.namprd20.prod.outlook.com
 

 .

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
 
If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
 
Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: 
mk...@ucla.edu  . Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you 
can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com  
 
The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
 .
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/ED9BB85C-7B65-48B2-A11F-6605843C2013%40gmail.com
 

 .

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
 
If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if y

RE: A reason not to spend the big Bucks for Apple Airpods including Airpod Max or at least not yet

[Simon A Fogarty]

Have a look at the bose noise cancelling headphones.

The qc45 or the new ones which are something 700

And they are a lot cheaper than the apple max things.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Saturday, 1 January 2022 2:36 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; mich verrier 
Subject: RE: A reason not to spend the big Bucks for Apple Airpods including 
Airpod Max or at least not yet

So are there some comparable options that wouldn’t be a complete waste of money?

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Marco 
Curralejo
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2021 6:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; mich verrier 
mailto:mi...@eastlink.ca>>
Subject: RE: A reason not to spend the big Bucks for Apple Airpods including 
Airpod Max or at least not yet

Well I have been saying this for many months now. A complete waste of money in 
my opinion because of that lead to technology that Apple allows in their 
headsets in terms of not updating to the latest protocol.


On December 31, 2021 22:51:16 "mich verrier" 
mailto:mi...@eastlink.ca>> wrote:
Would it be possible to coppy nd paste the content of the artickle? Mycrosoft 
wanted me to signe in when I whent to the link. So I couldn’t read the 
artickle. From Mich.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: December 31, 2021 1:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: A reason not to spend the big Bucks for Apple Airpods including Airpod 
Max or at least not yet

Here is an interesting article which shows how limited Bluetooth connectivity 
is and that includes the ultra high priced Airpods Max headphones:

[​xlsx icon]Bluetooth Is Holding Back Apple’s AirPods 
Ambitions

So, I'll continue to wait for a Sonos headset which will of course add the 
headset to my existing Sonos system via Wi-Fi and will be able to provide true 
lossless quality sound and most likely for less than what the Airpods Max dcost.


Best regards,
Sieghard

--
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: 
mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can 
reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com

The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
---
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to 
viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/SJ0PR06MB7862F96AC35C5822A95A0911C7469%40SJ0PR06MB7862.namprd06.prod.outlook.com.
--
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your V iPhone list moderator i

RE: Face ID Revisited

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi Fassle,

Just wondering if you have voiceover on when you are trying to setup face id?

My phone the 13 pro max and the earlier 11 pro max let me know with voiceover 
when my face was out of alignment with the camera

So if you listen to the voiceover prompts aas you setup face id
It should let you kno what you have to do  as you go through the process.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Fazil M.
Sent: Sunday, 2 January 2022 7:42 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face ID Revisited

Should the earpiece in front of my upper lip or my nose or somewhere else?
Thanks!
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of regina 
alvarado
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2022 10:35 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face ID Revisited

Fázil, just keep trying my friend. I think you either have it tipped back too 
far or you’re not putting it at the right distance from your face. If you have 
attention turned off it’s just a matter of putting it just about 10 inches from 
your face. I had a terrible time at the beginning. Sometimes I still have 
trouble, but it really does work. It’s just that you have to practice it. It’s 
just like those little blimps on the bottom and the top. It takes time to get 
used to doing it. It takes practice to do it properly. It will come, and then 
you’ll feel just as comfortable with Face ID as you did with the home button. 
Hang in there. happy new year to you and to everyone!
Reggie Alvarado

On Jan 1, 2022, at 12:12 PM, Fazil M. 
mailto:mfa...@outlook.com>> wrote:

Hi Group.
I am having problem with using Face ID to unlock my iPhone12.
I successfully complete two steps of setting up face ID and double tapped Done 
Button and iPhone says face ID is ready to use. Attention is off too.
I am unable to unlock phone with face id.
Any more tips to unlock phone with face id is much appreciated.
Thanks!
--
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: 
mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can 
reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com

The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
---
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to 
viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/MWHPR20MB1216251986B9C8485A0B9301C9479%40MWHPR20MB1216.namprd20.prod.outlook.com.
--
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: 
mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can 
reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com

The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
---
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to 
viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/ED9BB85C-7B65-48B2-A11F-6605843C2013%40gmail.com.
--
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: 
mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can 
reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com

The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
---
You received this message because you are subscri

Apple Watch Series 7

[Andrew Roberts]

Hello everyone and a very happy New Year to you all.

For Christmas I was given an Apple Watch series 7.  I couldn't wait to set it 
up and I had no problem pairing it with my phone and getting it all working.  
It has been working perfectly until today but this evening I have encountered a 
problem.

About 2 hours ago I received a text from my sister, the notification of which I 
read on my watch.  I then retrieved my Bluetooth keyboard, turned it on, and 
responded to a few texts using my phone.  Having finished my texts and turned 
the Bluetooth keyboard off I then returned to my watch but unfortunately 
Voiceover isn't speaking at all.  Not only is it not speaking but I can't hear 
the clicks when flicking around the screen either although I can feel some of 
the vibrations and haptics so the watch is obviously working.  I have been into 
the watch app.  Voiceover is definitely turned on and the volumes look OK.  
Having said that, some things do seem to have changed by themselves.  For 
example my screen curtain was on whereas it was definitely turned off before.  
Does anyone know what the problem might be and how I can get the watch talking 
again please?

Thank you for any help that might be forthcoming.

Andrew 


-- 
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  
mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
caraqu...@caraquinn.com

The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/02e201d7ff62%2461b21e60%2425165b20%24%40comproom.co.uk.

Re: A reason not to spend the big Bucks for Apple Airpods including Airpod Max or at least not yet

[Joshua Hendrickson]

I use my bose NC700 headphones.  They sound very good to me.  I've
been using a set of anker headphones lately, and they also work very
well when listening to audio dramas, or bard books.  It all depends on
what you can afford.  I'm not saying that I'd never purchase a pair of
airpods max, but they are offly expensive.  However, I found some very
good deals on Ebay.

On 1/1/22, mich verrier  wrote:
> I also agree with that as well and speeking as a Canadion yes I agree it
> does cost more hear in Canada then it does in the US. And let's also bring
> in to the situation those of us who live on fixt incomes like Ontario
> Disibillidey support and live on like my self 700 a month for paying bills
> etc oncemy rent is taken off. Yes I know that we have a lot more to live on
> but I am strickley talking about the amount in the bank that we have to play
> around with once the rent is taken off of my check every month since it is
> taken off automatically. So for instince I have never had enough to pay for
> a IPhone out right so I am stuck paying off a phone on a 2 year contract the
> same go's forajy other apple products like the apple watch for example.
> Shure you can get one for 0 dollars down but you still have to pay it off
> over the years. It would be nice if programs hear in Ontario like the
> assistive divices program would support the purchis of different apple
> products like the apple watch Iphone, etc. in fact I filld out a servay that
> made that idea. My point is that I agree what people choose or not choose to
> spend there oney on is there choice how ever not everyone has the funds to
> upgrade to the latest and gratest every year or what have you. For instince
> I am still using the Iphone 8 and it is still holding up verry well. Could I
> upgrade? Yes of korce I could and I might or I might just wate. But for
> instince the air pods wile I like the idea of beaing whierless and having
> bluetuth on my phone I don't lissen to music will going out for walks and
> stuff so to me the idea of just whired ear buds are just fine. How ever I am
> happy to hear that they are only 200 instead of the 700 or what I thought
> they would be. From Mich Verrier from New Liskeard Ontario Canada.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: January 1, 2022 11:10 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: A reason not to spend the big Bucks for Apple Airpods including
> Airpod Max or at least not yet
>
> I  agree with that, but it also depends on whether you are talking about
> technology which is what I would call essential and technology which is less
> so. I need my iPhone for many things every day so it better be in top shape,
> but while for me a set of wired Earbuds are essential, a $700 Bluetooth
> headset like the Airpods Max is luxury and before all of you south of the
> border inform me that it is only $549 or whatever it costs there, I am
> talking about our currency.
> Anyways, it's like with everything, people decide what they need and what
> they want and spend their money accordingly.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: January 1, 2022 6:52 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: A reason not to spend the big Bucks for Apple Airpods including
> Airpod Max or at least not yet
>
> True, everything will be better in a year or two but then that's a year or
> two I'll be using even older technology while I keep waiting. I'm not saying
> people should never wait. It obviously depends on how long you'd be waiting
> and how unhappy you are with what you have now. I tend to keep my technology
> for quite a while, but I don't wait as long as I used to. I held on to my
> iPhone 4S forever because I kept thinking if I just wait another six months,
> I'll see what Samsung has to offer and then six months after that Apple will
> have some new iPhones out and so on. By the time I pulled the trigger I was
> using a device I was pretty unhappy with and that hadn't been getting IOS
> updates for a while.
>
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Saturday, January 1, 2022 1:15 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: A reason not to spend the big Bucks for Apple Airpods including
> Airpod Max or at least not yet
>
> A statement which very rarely applies to technology because whatever passes
> me by will be better in a year or two.
> A good example would be the Airpods, if I wanted to buy a set I'd much
> rather buy them now than when they first came out 4 or whatever years ago
> because I know I'd be replacing them by now.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Andy
> Baracco
> Sent: December 31, 2021 6:48 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: A reason not to spend the big Bucks for Apple Airpods in

RE: The Native Mail App

[Alan Lemly]

Hi Lynn,

Find the App Store icon on your home screen and execute it. Place focus on the 
bottomline toolbar and swipe right to the last button on the right which is 
Search and double tap. Just below the status bar which contains time, etc. and 
is at the top of the screen is a search field or box which you should double 
tap. The on screen keyboard will appear and you can type the word mail and 
place focus on the search button in the bottom right hand corner of the screen 
and double tap. The Mail app will appear in the search results. It was the 
second item in my results and Voiceover will announce the word productivity 
after saying Mail and then announce two and a half stars. To the right of the 
Mail title will either be an Open button which you can execute if the app is 
still installed correctly on your iPhone or a Get or re-download button if it's 
not.

Good luck.

Alan Lemly

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Lynn 
White
Sent: Saturday, January 1, 2022 12:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: The Native Mail App

For some reason, I have lost the native mail app on my iPhone 12 pro Max. I can 
get siri to open it but with some type of error message.

I've looked for the app in the Store but can't find it. How do I bring this 
back and how can I make sure that it is on the home page?

Thanks as always.

--
For 24/7 music and shows to encourage you in following Christ, go to 
https://www.radioforlife.org

--
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  
mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
caraqu...@caraquinn.com

The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
---
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/ee33c720-ea06-ed5e-edd1-ca1f43bb34fa%40gmail.com.

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  
mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
caraqu...@caraquinn.com

The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/058401d7ff5f%24abcec5f0%24036c51d0%24%40gmail.com.

Re: Can anyone send me a list of idiot-proof instructions for the gestures I need to know for an IPhone with no physical home button please?

[Lynn Schneider]

I am resending this message from Richard because it saved my bacon while I was 
trying to learn the gestures without the home button  on my new iPhone 13 Pro. 
Since many of us may have gotten new phones without the old faithful home 
button over the holidays, thought I would re-post. Thanks Richard.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 18, 2021, at 4:39 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> This is taken from my version of the VoiceOver Gestures which is on my web 
> site.
> But here is the sections relating to phones with no home buttons.
> 
> For devices without a home button:
> Side button replacing Home button commands
> *Unlock Phone: Facial Recognition, or tap the  Side button and enter your 
> passcode
> *Accessibility Shortcut: Triple click of the Side button 
> *Screenshot: Simultaneously press and quickly release the Side button and 
> Volume Up button.  Caution: if you hold the volume up and side power button 
> too long, you will activate the Emergency SOS and end up calling 911.
>  *Activate Siri: Press and hold the Side button 
> *Reboot the iPhone: Press and release the volume up button, then the 
> volume down button, then hold in the side/power button for about 10 seconds 
> or until the Apple comes back and gradually fills in the image.
> *Power off the iPhone by holding in the power button until the power off 
> icon appears, release the side button and double tap on the Power Off button. 
>  Or, go to Settings, General, Shut down and double tap on shut down.
> *Activate Apple Pay: Double click the Side button 
> 
> New Gestures replacing function of the Home button
> Starting at the bottom of the screen and slide one finger up. You will feel 
> three haptic vibrations referred to as "clicks" (similar to the old "click" 
> when pressing the Home button). Each of these three clicks will activate a 
> function. Note: The first click alerts you that you are in the feature.
> *Return to the Home screen: From the bottom of the screen slide one 
> finger up until the second click. Lift your finger from the screen.
> *Activate the App Switcher: From the bottom of the screen, slide one 
> finger up until the third click. Lift your finger from the screen.
> *Activate Reachability mode (if enabled in Settings): From the bottom of 
> the screen, slide one finger up until you feel the first click. Quickly flick 
> down.
> 
> Notification and Control Center
> 
> Starting at the top of the screen, slide one finger down to feel the clicks.
> *Access the Control Center: From the top of the screen, slide one finger 
> down until the second click. Lift your finger from the screen.
> *Access the Notification Center: From the top of the screen, slide one 
> finger down until the  third click. Lift your finger from the screen.
> 
> Other settings 
> Raise to Wake, under Settings, Display and Brightness, defaults to on.
> If you find that your phone is constantly trying to "wake" up or unlock, and 
> perhaps the battery is not giving you the time you thought it should, try 
> turning that feature off.  If you use VoiceOver, and it is constantly saying 
> the time whenever you move the iPhone, you probably have raise to wake on and 
> each time the phone moves, it is trying to wake up.  
> People who carry their phone in a bag or a purse may find it is constantly 
> waking up from the movement of the bag/purse.
> 
> There is also a feature called Tap to Wake, under Settings, Accessibility, 
> Touch, that allows you to wake up the phone by tapping in the middle of the 
> screen with one finger.
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." 
> - Jane Wagner
> 
> My Web site: https://www.turner42.com
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Eleanor Roberts' via VIPhone  
> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 1:29 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Can anyone send me a list of idiot-proof instructions for the 
> gestures I need to know for an IPhone with no physical home button please?
> 
> Hi all 
> 
> Apologies for this, as I'm sure many of you will probably think I'm seriously 
> behind the times. Basically, I'm getting a new IPhone as part of a job I do 
> with/for my local council. Problem is that this new IPhone doesn't have a 
> physical home button. 
> 
> I've never encountered this before, as I've always gone out of my way to make 
> sure that my phone has the physical button. However, this phone isn't my 
> choice, and I'm actually very nervous about getting it. 
> 
> So was just wondering if anyone could e-mail me a really idiot-proof list of 
> instructions so that I can stand half a chance of managing to operate this 
> buttonless phone?? Any help really really would be very much appreciated. For 
> example, when setting up the phone in the very first place how on earth do I 
> get VO to come on?? (Normally I'd just tripple tap the home button, and it's 
> sorted ... but with this I've no idea). How do

Re: Face ID Revisited

[Alex Stone]

Yeah, that’s exactly what I thought!

Sent from my iPhone

> On 1 Jan 2022, at 22:10, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> Right; it needs to see your face. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Alex Stone
> Sent: Saturday, January 1, 2022 3:44 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Face ID Revisited
> 
> Carolyn, I read on a list the other day someone saying that it worked for 
> them with the phone facing at their chest, but I’ve always done it the way 
> you do.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 1 Jan 2022, at 20:40, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>> 
>> The ear piece should be about to the level to the top or a little above the 
>> nose. The phone should be held out about a foot opposite your face at a 
>> level, where you entire face is in focus of the phone. 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Fazil M.
>> Sent: Saturday, January 1, 2022 1:42 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Face ID Revisited
>> 
>> Should the earpiece in front of my upper lip or my nose or somewhere else?
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> regina alvarado
>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2022 10:35 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Face ID Revisited
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Fázil, just keep trying my friend. I think you either have it tipped back 
>> too far or you’re not putting it at the right distance from your face. If 
>> you have attention turned off it’s just a matter of putting it just about 10 
>> inches from your face. I had a terrible time at the beginning. Sometimes I 
>> still have trouble, but it really does work. It’s just that you have to 
>> practice it. It’s just like those little blimps on the bottom and the top. 
>> It takes time to get used to doing it. It takes practice to do it properly. 
>> It will come, and then you’ll feel just as comfortable with Face ID as you 
>> did with the home button. Hang in there. happy new year to you and to 
>> everyone!
>> 
>> Reggie Alvarado 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 1, 2022, at 12:12 PM, Fazil M. >  > wrote:
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Hi Group.
>> 
>> I am having problem with using Face ID to unlock my iPhone12.
>> 
>> I successfully complete two steps of setting up face ID and double tapped 
>> Done Button and iPhone says face ID is ready to use. Attention is off too.
>> 
>> I am unable to unlock phone with face id.
>> 
>> Any more tips to unlock phone with face id is much appreciated.
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> -- 
>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
>> 
>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
>> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>> 
>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: 
>> mk...@ucla.edu  . Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you 
>> can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com  
>> 
>> The archives for this list can be searched at:
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
>> --- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "VIPhone" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
>>  .
>> To view this discussion on the web visit 
>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/MWHPR20MB1216251986B9C8485A0B9301C9479%40MWHPR20MB1216.namprd20.prod.outlook.com
>>  
>> 
>>  .
>> 
>> -- 
>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
>> 
>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
>> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>> 
>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: 
>> mk...@ucla.edu  . Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you 
>> can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com  
>> 
>> The archives for this list can be searched at:
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
>> --- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "VIPhone" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
>>  .
>> To view this discussion on the web visit 
>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/ED9BB85C-7B65-48B2-A11F-

Re: Face ID Revisited

[Cris Ali]

True, except that if the sighted person knows how to turn voice over off with 
the side button three clicks, or familiar with the ability of siri to turn 
voice over on or off, the screen curtain becomes useless. Even with the screen 
curtain on, the minute you turn voice over off, the screen immediately lights 
up.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 1, 2022, at 3:42 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> My husband, who is pretty good with tech stuff, says that if a sighted 
> person tried to steel my phone, it would be pitched into the garbage, because 
> of VoiceOver and, when I have it engaged, Screen Curtain. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Alan Lemly
> Sent: Saturday, January 1, 2022 3:13 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Face ID Revisited
> 
> Cris, 
> 
> I guess I see your point but you seem to be sacrificing a lot of convenience 
> for the supposed risk. Only you can assess the reel risk to which you're 
> exposed but unless your thief also gets your passcode or takes your face too, 
> it seems unlikely they'll gain access to all your stuff. Each financial app 
> requires face ID to access it and without your passcode, the face ID cannot 
> be reset. And I would think face ID with attention turned on would be more 
> convenient than entering a four or six digit PIN every time. But to each his 
> own. 
> 
> Alan Lemly 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone with Outlook   for iOS 
> 
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Cris 
> Ali 
> Sent: Saturday, January 1, 2022 1:54:54 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Face ID Revisited 
> 
> I used face id for less than one month, then I decided to switch back to 
> setting a code because I believe it is much safer. I use my phone for a lot 
> of financial transactions, including banking, shopping, stocks etc… If a 
> thief got hold of my iPhone, all of what he needs to do is to direct the 
> camera at my face, after that he will have full access to my life.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> 
>On Jan 1, 2022, at 1:42 PM, Fazil M.  wrote:
>
>
> 
> 
> 
>Should the earpiece in front of my upper lip or my nose or somewhere else?
> 
>Thanks!
> 
>From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> regina alvarado
>Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2022 10:35 AM
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>Subject: Re: Face ID Revisited
> 
> 
> 
>Fázil, just keep trying my friend. I think you either have it tipped back 
> too far or you’re not putting it at the right distance from your face. If you 
> have attention turned off it’s just a matter of putting it just about 10 
> inches from your face. I had a terrible time at the beginning. Sometimes I 
> still have trouble, but it really does work. It’s just that you have to 
> practice it. It’s just like those little blimps on the bottom and the top. It 
> takes time to get used to doing it. It takes practice to do it properly. It 
> will come, and then you’ll feel just as comfortable with Face ID as you did 
> with the home button. Hang in there. happy new year to you and to everyone!
> 
>Reggie Alvarado 
> 
>
>On Jan 1, 2022, at 12:12 PM, Fazil M.   > wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>Hi Group.
> 
>I am having problem with using Face ID to unlock my iPhone12.
> 
>I successfully complete two steps of setting up face ID and double tapped 
> Done Button and iPhone says face ID is ready to use. Attention is off too.
> 
>I am unable to unlock phone with face id.
> 
>Any more tips to unlock phone with face id is much appreciated.
> 
>Thanks!
> 
>-- 
>The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone 
> list.
> 
>If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or 
> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners 
> or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
> 
>Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: 
> mk...@ucla.edu  . Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you 
> can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com  
> 
>The archives for this list can be searched at:
>http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
>--- 
>You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "VIPhone" group.
>To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
>  .
>To view this discussion on the web visit 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/MWHPR20MB1216251986B9C8485A0B9301C9479%40MWHPR20MB1216.namprd20.prod.outlook.com
>  
> 

RE: Face ID Revisited

[Carolyn]

When phone is unlicked, swipe up from the bottom until you hear the first pop 
sound. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Fazil M.
Sent: Saturday, January 1, 2022 4:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face ID Revisited

Thanks much, Lynn.

It, indeed, is a big consolation and great commiseration to know that you are 
not alone suffering this…….*smile). I find the keypad with relative ease.

How do you go to homepage once the phone is unlocked?

Thanks!

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Lynn 
Schneider
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2022 1:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face ID Revisited

 

Fazil, if it is any consolation, I am having the same struggle with face ID. I 
have mastered the gestures to get to things without the home button, but face 
ID continues to bedevil me. Interestingly, sometimes it will work with no 
problem and I have no idea why, but mostly, I cannot unlock my phone using my 
face. I have attention turned off and like you, I have successfully gone 
through the training exercise multiple times, with and without sighted help, 
which ends with a message that face ID was successfully set up, but for reasons 
I can’t understand, mostly it does not work. I have only had the phone for 3 
days and I know that other blind people out there with prosthetic eyes are 
doing face ID successfully, so I refuse to give up, but I admit it is quite 
frustrating since I love everything else about my 13 Pro. I have even reset the 
face ID several times in different light and dark situations, with and without 
sighted help, and even set up an alternate face, but still no joy. Also, it is 
very hard to get the keypad to come up to enter the passcode. You will have to 
learn the new gestures for getting to the home screen, control center, app 
switcher, etc., but I did not find that very difficult after practice. I know 
that I have to embrace change and except new things, and again, I like this 
bigger phone and I love the battery life compared to my iPhone 8, so I don’t 
want to go back to that phone again, but I hate using a passcode to 
authenticate, so I am really hoping that I can get this worked out. I wish us 
both patience and good luck. LOL.

Sent from my iPhone





On Jan 1, 2022, at 12:12 PM, Fazil M. mailto:mfa...@outlook.com> > wrote:

 

Hi Group.

I am having problem with using Face ID to unlock my iPhone12.

I successfully complete two steps of setting up face ID and double 
tapped Done Button and iPhone says face ID is ready to use. Attention is off 
too.

I am unable to unlock phone with face id.

Any more tips to unlock phone with face id is much appreciated.

Thanks!

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone 
list.
 
If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, 
or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners 
or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
 
Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: 
mk...@ucla.edu  . Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you 
can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com  
 
The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google 
Groups "VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send 
an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
 .
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/MWHPR20MB1216251986B9C8485A0B9301C9479%40MWHPR20MB1216.namprd20.prod.outlook.com
 

 .

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
 
If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
 
Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: 
mk...@ucla.edu  . Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you 
can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com  
 
The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 

RE: Face ID Revisited

[Carolyn]

I set mine up in bright, afternoon sunshine on the west side of the building 
one afternoon. Now, it doesn't matter if I am in light or dark, dark glasses or 
not, it works. It does have to align with the face though. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Lynn Schneider
Sent: Saturday, January 1, 2022 4:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face ID Revisited

Fazil, if it is any consolation, I am having the same struggle with face ID. I 
have mastered the gestures to get to things without the home button, but face 
ID continues to bedevil me. Interestingly, sometimes it will work with no 
problem and I have no idea why, but mostly, I cannot unlock my phone using my 
face. I have attention turned off and like you, I have successfully gone 
through the training exercise multiple times, with and without sighted help, 
which ends with a message that face ID was successfully set up, but for reasons 
I can’t understand, mostly it does not work. I have only had the phone for 3 
days and I know that other blind people out there with prosthetic eyes are 
doing face ID successfully, so I refuse to give up, but I admit it is quite 
frustrating since I love everything else about my 13 Pro. I have even reset the 
face ID several times in different light and dark situations, with and without 
sighted help, and even set up an alternate face, but still no joy. Also, it is 
very hard to get the keypad to come up to enter the passcode. You will have to 
learn the new gestures for getting to the home screen, control center, app 
switcher, etc., but I did not find that very difficult after practice. I know 
that I have to embrace change and except new things, and again, I like this 
bigger phone and I love the battery life compared to my iPhone 8, so I don’t 
want to go back to that phone again, but I hate using a passcode to 
authenticate, so I am really hoping that I can get this worked out. I wish us 
both patience and good luck. LOL.


Sent from my iPhone


On Jan 1, 2022, at 12:12 PM, Fazil M.  wrote:



 

Hi Group.

I am having problem with using Face ID to unlock my iPhone12.

I successfully complete two steps of setting up face ID and double 
tapped Done Button and iPhone says face ID is ready to use. Attention is off 
too.

I am unable to unlock phone with face id.

Any more tips to unlock phone with face id is much appreciated.

Thanks!



-- 
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone 
list.
 
If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, 
or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners 
or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
 
Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: 
mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
caraqu...@caraquinn.com
 
The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google 
Groups "VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send 
an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
 .
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/MWHPR20MB1216251986B9C8485A0B9301C9479%40MWHPR20MB1216.namprd20.prod.outlook.com
 

 .


-- 
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
 
If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
 
Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: 
mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
caraqu...@caraquinn.com
 
The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
 .
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/CCD3BFC1-7F33-4E1D-8F9F-0B1327169573%40gmail.com
 

 .


-- 
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone

RE: Face ID Revisited

[Carolyn]

Right; it needs to see your face. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Alex Stone
Sent: Saturday, January 1, 2022 3:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face ID Revisited

Carolyn, I read on a list the other day someone saying that it worked for them 
with the phone facing at their chest, but I’ve always done it the way you do.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 1 Jan 2022, at 20:40, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> The ear piece should be about to the level to the top or a little above the 
> nose. The phone should be held out about a foot opposite your face at a 
> level, where you entire face is in focus of the phone. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Fazil M.
> Sent: Saturday, January 1, 2022 1:42 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face ID Revisited
> 
> Should the earpiece in front of my upper lip or my nose or somewhere else?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of regina 
> alvarado
> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2022 10:35 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Face ID Revisited
> 
> 
> 
> Fázil, just keep trying my friend. I think you either have it tipped back too 
> far or you’re not putting it at the right distance from your face. If you 
> have attention turned off it’s just a matter of putting it just about 10 
> inches from your face. I had a terrible time at the beginning. Sometimes I 
> still have trouble, but it really does work. It’s just that you have to 
> practice it. It’s just like those little blimps on the bottom and the top. It 
> takes time to get used to doing it. It takes practice to do it properly. It 
> will come, and then you’ll feel just as comfortable with Face ID as you did 
> with the home button. Hang in there. happy new year to you and to everyone!
> 
> Reggie Alvarado 
> 
> 
> On Jan 1, 2022, at 12:12 PM, Fazil M.   > wrote:
> 
>  
> 
> Hi Group.
> 
> I am having problem with using Face ID to unlock my iPhone12.
> 
> I successfully complete two steps of setting up face ID and double tapped 
> Done Button and iPhone says face ID is ready to use. Attention is off too.
> 
> I am unable to unlock phone with face id.
> 
> Any more tips to unlock phone with face id is much appreciated.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> -- 
> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
> 
> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
> 
> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: 
> mk...@ucla.edu  . Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you 
> can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com  
> 
> The archives for this list can be searched at:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
> --- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "VIPhone" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
>  .
> To view this discussion on the web visit 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/MWHPR20MB1216251986B9C8485A0B9301C9479%40MWHPR20MB1216.namprd20.prod.outlook.com
>  
> 
>  .
> 
> -- 
> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
> 
> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
> 
> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: 
> mk...@ucla.edu  . Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you 
> can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com  
> 
> The archives for this list can be searched at:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
> --- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "VIPhone" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
>  .
> To view this discussion on the web visit 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/ED9BB85C-7B65-48B2-A11F-6605843C2013%40gmail.com
>  
> 
>  .
> 
> -- 
> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
> 
> If you have 

Re: The Native Mail App

[Donna Casteen]

Lynn,

Have you checked in the library for the mail app? To get to the app library 
swipe past your last page of apps. If it isn't there or you can't find the app; 
Here is the link to the app in the app store.

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/mail/id1108187098

Donna


> 
> For some reason, I have lost the native mail app on my iPhone 12 pro Max. I 
> can get siri to open it but with some type of error message.
> 
> I've looked for the app in the Store but can't find it. How do I bring this 
> back and how can I make sure that it is on the home page?
> 
> Thanks as always.
> 
> -- 
> For 24/7 music and shows to encourage you in following Christ, go to 
> https://www.radioforlife.org
> 
> -- 
> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
> 
> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
> 
> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  
> mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
> 
> The archives for this list can be searched at:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
> --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "VIPhone" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To view this discussion on the web visit 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/ee33c720-ea06-ed5e-edd1-ca1f43bb34fa%40gmail.com.

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  
mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
caraqu...@caraquinn.com

The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/07B838C7-BE2C-471F-B060-60EDE7E55D3A%40gmail.com.

RE: Face ID Revisited

[Fazil M.]

Thanks much, Lynn.

It, indeed, is a big consolation and great commiseration to know that you are 
not alone suffering this…….*smile). I find the keypad with relative ease.

How do you go to homepage once the phone is unlocked?

Thanks!

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Lynn 
Schneider
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2022 1:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face ID Revisited

 

Fazil, if it is any consolation, I am having the same struggle with face ID. I 
have mastered the gestures to get to things without the home button, but face 
ID continues to bedevil me. Interestingly, sometimes it will work with no 
problem and I have no idea why, but mostly, I cannot unlock my phone using my 
face. I have attention turned off and like you, I have successfully gone 
through the training exercise multiple times, with and without sighted help, 
which ends with a message that face ID was successfully set up, but for reasons 
I can’t understand, mostly it does not work. I have only had the phone for 3 
days and I know that other blind people out there with prosthetic eyes are 
doing face ID successfully, so I refuse to give up, but I admit it is quite 
frustrating since I love everything else about my 13 Pro. I have even reset the 
face ID several times in different light and dark situations, with and without 
sighted help, and even set up an alternate face, but still no joy. Also, it is 
very hard to get the keypad to come up to enter the passcode. You will have to 
learn the new gestures for getting to the home screen, control center, app 
switcher, etc., but I did not find that very difficult after practice. I know 
that I have to embrace change and except new things, and again, I like this 
bigger phone and I love the battery life compared to my iPhone 8, so I don’t 
want to go back to that phone again, but I hate using a passcode to 
authenticate, so I am really hoping that I can get this worked out. I wish us 
both patience and good luck. LOL.

Sent from my iPhone





On Jan 1, 2022, at 12:12 PM, Fazil M. mailto:mfa...@outlook.com> > wrote:

 

Hi Group.

I am having problem with using Face ID to unlock my iPhone12.

I successfully complete two steps of setting up face ID and double tapped Done 
Button and iPhone says face ID is ready to use. Attention is off too.

I am unable to unlock phone with face id.

Any more tips to unlock phone with face id is much appreciated.

Thanks!

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
 
If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
 
Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: 
mk...@ucla.edu  . Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you 
can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com  
 
The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
 .
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/MWHPR20MB1216251986B9C8485A0B9301C9479%40MWHPR20MB1216.namprd20.prod.outlook.com
 

 .

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
 
If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
 
Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: 
mk...@ucla.edu  . Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you 
can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com  
 
The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
 .
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/CCD3BFC1-7F33-4E1D-8F9F-0B1327169573%40gmail.com
 

 .

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that

Re: Face ID Revisited

[Lynn Schneider]

Fazil, if it is any consolation, I am having the same struggle with face ID. I 
have mastered the gestures to get to things without the home button, but face 
ID continues to bedevil me. Interestingly, sometimes it will work with no 
problem and I have no idea why, but mostly, I cannot unlock my phone using my 
face. I have attention turned off and like you, I have successfully gone 
through the training exercise multiple times, with and without sighted help, 
which ends with a message that face ID was successfully set up, but for reasons 
I can’t understand, mostly it does not work. I have only had the phone for 3 
days and I know that other blind people out there with prosthetic eyes are 
doing face ID successfully, so I refuse to give up, but I admit it is quite 
frustrating since I love everything else about my 13 Pro. I have even reset the 
face ID several times in different light and dark situations, with and without 
sighted help, and even set up an alternate face, but still no joy. Also, it is 
very hard to get the keypad to come up to enter the passcode. You will have to 
learn the new gestures for getting to the home screen, control center, app 
switcher, etc., but I did not find that very difficult after practice. I know 
that I have to embrace change and except new things, and again, I like this 
bigger phone and I love the battery life compared to my iPhone 8, so I don’t 
want to go back to that phone again, but I hate using a passcode to 
authenticate, so I am really hoping that I can get this worked out. I wish us 
both patience and good luck. LOL.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 1, 2022, at 12:12 PM, Fazil M.  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Group.
> I am having problem with using Face ID to unlock my iPhone12.
> I successfully complete two steps of setting up face ID and double tapped 
> Done Button and iPhone says face ID is ready to use. Attention is off too.
> I am unable to unlock phone with face id.
> Any more tips to unlock phone with face id is much appreciated.
> Thanks!
> -- 
> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
>  
> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>  
> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: 
> mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
>  
> The archives for this list can be searched at:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
> --- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "VIPhone" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To view this discussion on the web visit 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/MWHPR20MB1216251986B9C8485A0B9301C9479%40MWHPR20MB1216.namprd20.prod.outlook.com.

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  
mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
caraqu...@caraquinn.com

The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/CCD3BFC1-7F33-4E1D-8F9F-0B1327169573%40gmail.com.

RE: Face ID Revisited

[Fazil M.]

Thanks much Carolyn.
Does face include the portion from the chin to the forehead including lips, 
nose, cheeks and earlobes,, right?
Thanks!

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2022 12:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face ID Revisited

You punch in your numbers you set for the passcode. I have a six number code; 
my husband just has four on his tablet. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Fazil M.
Sent: Saturday, January 1, 2022 3:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face ID Revisited

Hi, Cris.

How do you unlock the phone with the passcode?

I, for instance, ask Siri to launch Messages for me and she wants me unlock the 
phone first with the number pad on the screen. I type the passcode and Messages 
app opens. But I can not go to homepage from there. Again I have to ask Siri to 
open certain apps for me but, since the phone is unlocked now, she does not ask 
for the passcode.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cris Ali
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2022 11:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face ID Revisited

 

I used face id for less than one month, then I decided to switch back to 
setting a code because I believe it is much safer. I use my phone for a lot of 
financial transactions, including banking, shopping, stocks etc… If a thief got 
hold of my iPhone, all of what he needs to do is to direct the camera at my 
face, after that he will have full access to my life.

Sent from my iPad





On Jan 1, 2022, at 1:42 PM, Fazil M. mailto:mfa...@outlook.com> > wrote:

 

Should the earpiece in front of my upper lip or my nose or somewhere 
else?

Thanks!

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
regina alvarado
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2022 10:35 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Face ID Revisited

 

Fázil, just keep trying my friend. I think you either have it tipped 
back too far or you’re not putting it at the right distance from your face. If 
you have attention turned off it’s just a matter of putting it just about 10 
inches from your face. I had a terrible time at the beginning. Sometimes I 
still have trouble, but it really does work. It’s just that you have to 
practice it. It’s just like those little blimps on the bottom and the top. It 
takes time to get used to doing it. It takes practice to do it properly. It 
will come, and then you’ll feel just as comfortable with Face ID as you did 
with the home button. Hang in there. happy new year to you and to everyone!

Reggie Alvarado 


On Jan 1, 2022, at 12:12 PM, Fazil M. mailto:mfa...@outlook.com> > wrote:

 

Hi Group.

I am having problem with using Face ID to unlock my iPhone12.

I successfully complete two steps of setting up face ID and double 
tapped Done Button and iPhone says face ID is ready to use. Attention is off 
too.

I am unable to unlock phone with face id.

Any more tips to unlock phone with face id is much appreciated.

Thanks!

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone 
list.
 
If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, 
or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners 
or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
 
Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: 
mk...@ucla.edu  . Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you 
can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com  
 
The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google 
Groups "VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send 
an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
 .
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/MWHPR20MB1216251986B9C8485A0B9301C9479%40MWHPR20MB1216.namprd20.prod.outlook.com
 

 .

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone 
list.
 
If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, 
or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners 
or moderators directly rather than posting on the list i

Re: Face ID Revisited

[Alex Stone]

Carolyn, I read on a list the other day someone saying that it worked for them 
with the phone facing at their chest, but I’ve always done it the way you do.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 1 Jan 2022, at 20:40, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> The ear piece should be about to the level to the top or a little above the 
> nose. The phone should be held out about a foot opposite your face at a 
> level, where you entire face is in focus of the phone. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Fazil M.
> Sent: Saturday, January 1, 2022 1:42 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face ID Revisited
> 
> Should the earpiece in front of my upper lip or my nose or somewhere else?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of regina 
> alvarado
> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2022 10:35 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Face ID Revisited
> 
> 
> 
> Fázil, just keep trying my friend. I think you either have it tipped back too 
> far or you’re not putting it at the right distance from your face. If you 
> have attention turned off it’s just a matter of putting it just about 10 
> inches from your face. I had a terrible time at the beginning. Sometimes I 
> still have trouble, but it really does work. It’s just that you have to 
> practice it. It’s just like those little blimps on the bottom and the top. It 
> takes time to get used to doing it. It takes practice to do it properly. It 
> will come, and then you’ll feel just as comfortable with Face ID as you did 
> with the home button. Hang in there. happy new year to you and to everyone!
> 
> Reggie Alvarado 
> 
> 
> On Jan 1, 2022, at 12:12 PM, Fazil M.   > wrote:
> 
>  
> 
> Hi Group.
> 
> I am having problem with using Face ID to unlock my iPhone12.
> 
> I successfully complete two steps of setting up face ID and double tapped 
> Done Button and iPhone says face ID is ready to use. Attention is off too.
> 
> I am unable to unlock phone with face id.
> 
> Any more tips to unlock phone with face id is much appreciated.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> -- 
> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
> 
> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
> 
> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: 
> mk...@ucla.edu  . Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you 
> can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com  
> 
> The archives for this list can be searched at:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
> --- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "VIPhone" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
>  .
> To view this discussion on the web visit 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/MWHPR20MB1216251986B9C8485A0B9301C9479%40MWHPR20MB1216.namprd20.prod.outlook.com
>  
> 
>  .
> 
> -- 
> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
> 
> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
> 
> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: 
> mk...@ucla.edu  . Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you 
> can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com  
> 
> The archives for this list can be searched at:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
> --- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "VIPhone" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
>  .
> To view this discussion on the web visit 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/ED9BB85C-7B65-48B2-A11F-6605843C2013%40gmail.com
>  
> 
>  .
> 
> -- 
> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
> 
> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
> 
> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylo

RE: Face ID Revisited

[Carolyn]

You punch in your numbers you set for the passcode. I have a six number code; 
my husband just has four on his tablet. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Fazil M.
Sent: Saturday, January 1, 2022 3:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face ID Revisited

Hi, Cris.

How do you unlock the phone with the passcode?

I, for instance, ask Siri to launch Messages for me and she wants me unlock the 
phone first with the number pad on the screen. I type the passcode and Messages 
app opens. But I can not go to homepage from there. Again I have to ask Siri to 
open certain apps for me but, since the phone is unlocked now, she does not ask 
for the passcode.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cris Ali
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2022 11:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face ID Revisited

 

I used face id for less than one month, then I decided to switch back to 
setting a code because I believe it is much safer. I use my phone for a lot of 
financial transactions, including banking, shopping, stocks etc… If a thief got 
hold of my iPhone, all of what he needs to do is to direct the camera at my 
face, after that he will have full access to my life.

Sent from my iPad





On Jan 1, 2022, at 1:42 PM, Fazil M. mailto:mfa...@outlook.com> > wrote:

 

Should the earpiece in front of my upper lip or my nose or somewhere 
else?

Thanks!

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
regina alvarado
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2022 10:35 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Face ID Revisited

 

Fázil, just keep trying my friend. I think you either have it tipped 
back too far or you’re not putting it at the right distance from your face. If 
you have attention turned off it’s just a matter of putting it just about 10 
inches from your face. I had a terrible time at the beginning. Sometimes I 
still have trouble, but it really does work. It’s just that you have to 
practice it. It’s just like those little blimps on the bottom and the top. It 
takes time to get used to doing it. It takes practice to do it properly. It 
will come, and then you’ll feel just as comfortable with Face ID as you did 
with the home button. Hang in there. happy new year to you and to everyone!

Reggie Alvarado 


On Jan 1, 2022, at 12:12 PM, Fazil M. mailto:mfa...@outlook.com> > wrote:

 

Hi Group.

I am having problem with using Face ID to unlock my iPhone12.

I successfully complete two steps of setting up face ID and double 
tapped Done Button and iPhone says face ID is ready to use. Attention is off 
too.

I am unable to unlock phone with face id.

Any more tips to unlock phone with face id is much appreciated.

Thanks!

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone 
list.
 
If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, 
or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners 
or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
 
Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: 
mk...@ucla.edu  . Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you 
can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com  
 
The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google 
Groups "VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send 
an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
 .
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/MWHPR20MB1216251986B9C8485A0B9301C9479%40MWHPR20MB1216.namprd20.prod.outlook.com
 

 .

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone 
list.
 
If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, 
or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners 
or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
 
Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: 
mk...@ucla.edu  . Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you 
can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com  
 
The archives for this list can be searched at:
htt

RE: Face ID Revisited

[Carolyn]

My husband, who is pretty good with tech stuff, says that if a sighted person 
tried to steel my phone, it would be pitched into the garbage, because of 
VoiceOver and, when I have it engaged, Screen Curtain. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Alan Lemly
Sent: Saturday, January 1, 2022 3:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face ID Revisited

Cris, 

I guess I see your point but you seem to be sacrificing a lot of convenience 
for the supposed risk. Only you can assess the reel risk to which you're 
exposed but unless your thief also gets your passcode or takes your face too, 
it seems unlikely they'll gain access to all your stuff. Each financial app 
requires face ID to access it and without your passcode, the face ID cannot be 
reset. And I would think face ID with attention turned on would be more 
convenient than entering a four or six digit PIN every time. But to each his 
own. 

Alan Lemly 


Sent from my iPhone with Outlook   for iOS 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Cris Ali 

Sent: Saturday, January 1, 2022 1:54:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Face ID Revisited 
 
I used face id for less than one month, then I decided to switch back to 
setting a code because I believe it is much safer. I use my phone for a lot of 
financial transactions, including banking, shopping, stocks etc… If a thief got 
hold of my iPhone, all of what he needs to do is to direct the camera at my 
face, after that he will have full access to my life.


Sent from my iPad


On Jan 1, 2022, at 1:42 PM, Fazil M.  wrote:



 

Should the earpiece in front of my upper lip or my nose or somewhere 
else?

Thanks!

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
regina alvarado
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2022 10:35 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face ID Revisited

 

Fázil, just keep trying my friend. I think you either have it tipped 
back too far or you’re not putting it at the right distance from your face. If 
you have attention turned off it’s just a matter of putting it just about 10 
inches from your face. I had a terrible time at the beginning. Sometimes I 
still have trouble, but it really does work. It’s just that you have to 
practice it. It’s just like those little blimps on the bottom and the top. It 
takes time to get used to doing it. It takes practice to do it properly. It 
will come, and then you’ll feel just as comfortable with Face ID as you did 
with the home button. Hang in there. happy new year to you and to everyone!

Reggie Alvarado 


On Jan 1, 2022, at 12:12 PM, Fazil M. mailto:mfa...@outlook.com> > wrote:

 

Hi Group.

I am having problem with using Face ID to unlock my iPhone12.

I successfully complete two steps of setting up face ID and double 
tapped Done Button and iPhone says face ID is ready to use. Attention is off 
too.

I am unable to unlock phone with face id.

Any more tips to unlock phone with face id is much appreciated.

Thanks!

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone 
list.
 
If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, 
or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners 
or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
 
Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: 
mk...@ucla.edu  . Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you 
can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com  
 
The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google 
Groups "VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send 
an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
 .
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/MWHPR20MB1216251986B9C8485A0B9301C9479%40MWHPR20MB1216.namprd20.prod.outlook.com
 

 .

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone 
list.
 
If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, 
or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners 
or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
 
Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reac

RE: Face ID Revisited

[Carolyn]

The ear piece should be about to the level to the top or a little above the 
nose. The phone should be held out about a foot opposite your face at a level, 
where you entire face is in focus of the phone. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Fazil M.
Sent: Saturday, January 1, 2022 1:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face ID Revisited

Should the earpiece in front of my upper lip or my nose or somewhere else?

Thanks!

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of regina 
alvarado
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2022 10:35 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face ID Revisited

 

Fázil, just keep trying my friend. I think you either have it tipped back too 
far or you’re not putting it at the right distance from your face. If you have 
attention turned off it’s just a matter of putting it just about 10 inches from 
your face. I had a terrible time at the beginning. Sometimes I still have 
trouble, but it really does work. It’s just that you have to practice it. It’s 
just like those little blimps on the bottom and the top. It takes time to get 
used to doing it. It takes practice to do it properly. It will come, and then 
you’ll feel just as comfortable with Face ID as you did with the home button. 
Hang in there. happy new year to you and to everyone!

Reggie Alvarado 


On Jan 1, 2022, at 12:12 PM, Fazil M. mailto:mfa...@outlook.com> > wrote:

 

Hi Group.

I am having problem with using Face ID to unlock my iPhone12.

I successfully complete two steps of setting up face ID and double tapped Done 
Button and iPhone says face ID is ready to use. Attention is off too.

I am unable to unlock phone with face id.

Any more tips to unlock phone with face id is much appreciated.

Thanks!

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
 
If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
 
Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: 
mk...@ucla.edu  . Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you 
can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com  
 
The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
 .
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/MWHPR20MB1216251986B9C8485A0B9301C9479%40MWHPR20MB1216.namprd20.prod.outlook.com
 

 .

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
 
If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
 
Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: 
mk...@ucla.edu  . Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you 
can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com  
 
The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
 .
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/ED9BB85C-7B65-48B2-A11F-6605843C2013%40gmail.com
 

 .

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
 
If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
 
Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: 
mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
caraqu...@caraquinn.com
 
The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 

RE: Face ID Revisited

[Fazil M.]

Hi, Cris.

How do you unlock the phone with the passcode?

I, for instance, ask Siri to launch Messages for me and she wants me unlock the 
phone first with the number pad on the screen. I type the passcode and Messages 
app opens. But I can not go to homepage from there. Again I have to ask Siri to 
open certain apps for me but, since the phone is unlocked now, she does not ask 
for the passcode.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cris Ali
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2022 11:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face ID Revisited

 

I used face id for less than one month, then I decided to switch back to 
setting a code because I believe it is much safer. I use my phone for a lot of 
financial transactions, including banking, shopping, stocks etc… If a thief got 
hold of my iPhone, all of what he needs to do is to direct the camera at my 
face, after that he will have full access to my life.

Sent from my iPad





On Jan 1, 2022, at 1:42 PM, Fazil M. mailto:mfa...@outlook.com> > wrote:

 

Should the earpiece in front of my upper lip or my nose or somewhere else?

Thanks!

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
regina alvarado
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2022 10:35 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Face ID Revisited

 

Fázil, just keep trying my friend. I think you either have it tipped back too 
far or you’re not putting it at the right distance from your face. If you have 
attention turned off it’s just a matter of putting it just about 10 inches from 
your face. I had a terrible time at the beginning. Sometimes I still have 
trouble, but it really does work. It’s just that you have to practice it. It’s 
just like those little blimps on the bottom and the top. It takes time to get 
used to doing it. It takes practice to do it properly. It will come, and then 
you’ll feel just as comfortable with Face ID as you did with the home button. 
Hang in there. happy new year to you and to everyone!

Reggie Alvarado 


On Jan 1, 2022, at 12:12 PM, Fazil M. mailto:mfa...@outlook.com> > wrote:

 

Hi Group.

I am having problem with using Face ID to unlock my iPhone12.

I successfully complete two steps of setting up face ID and double tapped Done 
Button and iPhone says face ID is ready to use. Attention is off too.

I am unable to unlock phone with face id.

Any more tips to unlock phone with face id is much appreciated.

Thanks!

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
 
If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
 
Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: 
mk...@ucla.edu  . Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you 
can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com  
 
The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
 .
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/MWHPR20MB1216251986B9C8485A0B9301C9479%40MWHPR20MB1216.namprd20.prod.outlook.com
 

 .

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
 
If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
 
Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: 
mk...@ucla.edu  . Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you 
can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com  
 
The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
 .
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/ED9BB85C-7B65-48B2-A11F-6605843C2013%40gmail.com
 

 .

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
 
If you ha

Re: Face ID Revisited

[Alan Lemly]

Cris,

I guess I see your point but you seem to be sacrificing a lot of convenience 
for the supposed risk. Only you can assess the reel risk to which you're 
exposed but unless your thief also gets your passcode or takes your face too, 
it seems unlikely they'll gain access to all your stuff. Each financial app 
requires face ID to access it and without your passcode, the face ID cannot be 
reset. And I would think face ID with attention turned on would be more 
convenient than entering a four or six digit PIN every time. But to each his 
own.

Alan Lemly

Sent from my iPhone with Outlook for iOS

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Cris Ali 

Sent: Saturday, January 1, 2022 1:54:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Face ID Revisited

I used face id for less than one month, then I decided to switch back to 
setting a code because I believe it is much safer. I use my phone for a lot of 
financial transactions, including banking, shopping, stocks etc… If a thief got 
hold of my iPhone, all of what he needs to do is to direct the camera at my 
face, after that he will have full access to my life.

Sent from my iPad

On Jan 1, 2022, at 1:42 PM, Fazil M.  wrote:



Should the earpiece in front of my upper lip or my nose or somewhere else?

Thanks!

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of regina 
alvarado
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2022 10:35 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face ID Revisited



Fázil, just keep trying my friend. I think you either have it tipped back too 
far or you’re not putting it at the right distance from your face. If you have 
attention turned off it’s just a matter of putting it just about 10 inches from 
your face. I had a terrible time at the beginning. Sometimes I still have 
trouble, but it really does work. It’s just that you have to practice it. It’s 
just like those little blimps on the bottom and the top. It takes time to get 
used to doing it. It takes practice to do it properly. It will come, and then 
you’ll feel just as comfortable with Face ID as you did with the home button. 
Hang in there. happy new year to you and to everyone!

Reggie Alvarado

On Jan 1, 2022, at 12:12 PM, Fazil M. 
mailto:mfa...@outlook.com>> wrote:



Hi Group.

I am having problem with using Face ID to unlock my iPhone12.

I successfully complete two steps of setting up face ID and double tapped Done 
Button and iPhone says face ID is ready to use. Attention is off too.

I am unable to unlock phone with face id.

Any more tips to unlock phone with face id is much appreciated.

Thanks!

--
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: 
mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can 
reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com

The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
---
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to 
viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/MWHPR20MB1216251986B9C8485A0B9301C9479%40MWHPR20MB1216.namprd20.prod.outlook.com.

--
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: 
mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can 
reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com

The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
---
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to 
viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/ED9BB85C-7B65-48B2-A11F-6605843C2013%40gmail.com.

--
The follo

Re: Face ID Revisited

[Cris Ali]

I used face id for less than one month, then I decided to switch back to 
setting a code because I believe it is much safer. I use my phone for a lot of 
financial transactions, including banking, shopping, stocks etc… If a thief got 
hold of my iPhone, all of what he needs to do is to direct the camera at my 
face, after that he will have full access to my life.

Sent from my iPad

On Jan 1, 2022, at 1:42 PM, Fazil M.  wrote:


Should the earpiece in front of my upper lip or my nose or somewhere else?
Thanks!
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of regina 
alvarado
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2022 10:35 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face ID Revisited

Fázil, just keep trying my friend. I think you either have it tipped back too 
far or you’re not putting it at the right distance from your face. If you have 
attention turned off it’s just a matter of putting it just about 10 inches from 
your face. I had a terrible time at the beginning. Sometimes I still have 
trouble, but it really does work. It’s just that you have to practice it. It’s 
just like those little blimps on the bottom and the top. It takes time to get 
used to doing it. It takes practice to do it properly. It will come, and then 
you’ll feel just as comfortable with Face ID as you did with the home button. 
Hang in there. happy new year to you and to everyone!
Reggie Alvarado

On Jan 1, 2022, at 12:12 PM, Fazil M. 
mailto:mfa...@outlook.com>> wrote:

Hi Group.
I am having problem with using Face ID to unlock my iPhone12.
I successfully complete two steps of setting up face ID and double tapped Done 
Button and iPhone says face ID is ready to use. Attention is off too.
I am unable to unlock phone with face id.
Any more tips to unlock phone with face id is much appreciated.
Thanks!
--
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: 
mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can 
reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com

The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
---
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to 
viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/MWHPR20MB1216251986B9C8485A0B9301C9479%40MWHPR20MB1216.namprd20.prod.outlook.com.
--
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: 
mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can 
reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com

The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
---
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to 
viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/ED9BB85C-7B65-48B2-A11F-6605843C2013%40gmail.com.

--
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: 
mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
caraqu...@caraquinn.com

The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
---
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to 
viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussi

Re: Bluetooth Headset recommendation

[Andy Baracco]

The Aftershokz products have improved greatly since they were first released. 
They used to be made of a cheap plastic that would easily break. Also, there 
was a great deal of audio leakage.  I recall sitting next to someoen on a bus 
and he was singing along with my music.
The new Trekz line is coated with a rubbery material which is very flexible.  
The audio leakage problem has improved greatly. i think that music sounds good 
on them if you are willing to deal with the vibration against your cheeks.

Andy

  - Original Message - 
  From: Marco Curralejo 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com ; Richard Turner 
  Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2022 12:59 AM
  Subject: Re: Bluetooth Headset recommendation


  They are not meant to be for music. I'm not sure why it some people don't get 
this.


  On January 1, 2022 09:38:09 Richard Turner  wrote:

I did a demo of the Aftershokz OpenComm headset on my web site.
It is under the demos and walk-through page.



http://www.turner42.com/DEMOS.html





Richard
"It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is 
lightly greased." -- Kehlog Albran, The Profit


My web site: https://www.turner42.com


(Sent from my iPhone 13 Pro)


  On Dec 31, 2021, at 10:53 AM, chrisjudge1...@gmail.com wrote:


  
  I like the aftershox for GPS and such, but I’ve never cared for them for 
music.



  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
  Sent: December 31, 2021 2:04 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com; mmmat 
  Subject: RE: Bluetooth Headset recommendation



  I too would recommend Aftershokz. The audio is fine for voice, but some 
may find them a bit lacking for high fidelity sound. I haven’t gotten any 
complaints from the people I call, so I assume the audio on their end is 
adequate.



  --

  Christopher (AKA CJ)

  Chaltain at Outlook



  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Marco Curralejo
  Sent: Friday, December 31, 2021 10:59 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com; mmmat 
  Subject: RE: Bluetooth Headset recommendation



  I would highly recommend the aftershocks opencom headphones which have an 
excellent microphone and decent enough sound.



  On January 1, 2022 03:49:57 "mmmat"  wrote:

Thanks for the recommendation.  I will look into this model.



Mario 





From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Michael McKay
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2021 9:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bluetooth Headset recommendation



I use the Aftershokz Bluetooth bone conduction wireless headset. I have 
an iPhone 7 Plus, and it pairs with it very very well. Hope this helps.

Sent from my iPhone





  On Dec 31, 2021, at 04:31, mmmat  wrote:

  ?

  I am in the market for a Bluetooth  earbud headset for my iPhone.  I 
am interested in some recommendation based on  personal experience.  



  I am looking for a set of earbuds that is  around the neck style, 
easy to use, has very good battery life, has decent sounds quality and can be 
used for making and receiving phone calls.  I looked at the reviews of headsets 
on Amazon and I would like to get the purchase right the first time.



  I had a set of Beats and was not impressed with the battery life.  It 
seamed that it would only last a few hours and it was more of a pain in the 
neck then it was worth.  I had a set of LG 780, that had great battery life, 
but device was not usable making and receiving phone calls.  I have tried Air 
Buds, but the battery life is too short and I am concerned about misplacing 
them to easily.



  Thanks in advance,

  Mario 

  -- 
  The following information is important for all members of the V 
iPhone list.
   
  If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, 
or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners 
or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
   
  Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: 
mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
caraqu...@caraquinn.com
   
  The archives for this list can be searched at:
  http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
  --- 
  You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google 
Groups "VIPhone" group.
  To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, 
send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
  To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/04a001d7fe20%24d1ccafa0%2475660ee0%24%40comcast.net.

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone 
list.
 
If you have any questions or conc

RE: Face ID Revisited

[Fazil M.]

Should the earpiece in front of my upper lip or my nose or somewhere else?

Thanks!

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of regina 
alvarado
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2022 10:35 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face ID Revisited

 

Fázil, just keep trying my friend. I think you either have it tipped back too 
far or you’re not putting it at the right distance from your face. If you have 
attention turned off it’s just a matter of putting it just about 10 inches from 
your face. I had a terrible time at the beginning. Sometimes I still have 
trouble, but it really does work. It’s just that you have to practice it. It’s 
just like those little blimps on the bottom and the top. It takes time to get 
used to doing it. It takes practice to do it properly. It will come, and then 
you’ll feel just as comfortable with Face ID as you did with the home button. 
Hang in there. happy new year to you and to everyone!

Reggie Alvarado 


On Jan 1, 2022, at 12:12 PM, Fazil M. mailto:mfa...@outlook.com> > wrote:

 

Hi Group.

I am having problem with using Face ID to unlock my iPhone12.

I successfully complete two steps of setting up face ID and double tapped Done 
Button and iPhone says face ID is ready to use. Attention is off too.

I am unable to unlock phone with face id.

Any more tips to unlock phone with face id is much appreciated.

Thanks!

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
 
If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
 
Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: 
mk...@ucla.edu  . Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you 
can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com  
 
The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
 .
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/MWHPR20MB1216251986B9C8485A0B9301C9479%40MWHPR20MB1216.namprd20.prod.outlook.com
 

 .

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
 
If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
 
Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: 
mk...@ucla.edu  . Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you 
can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com  
 
The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
 .
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/ED9BB85C-7B65-48B2-A11F-6605843C2013%40gmail.com
 

 .

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  
mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
caraqu...@caraquinn.com

The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/MWHPR20MB1216CDA1FB92164A5D6741FEC9479%40MWHPR20MB1216.namprd20.prod.outlook.com.

Re: Face ID Revisited

[regina alvarado]

Fázil, just keep trying my friend. I think you either have it tipped back too 
far or you’re not putting it at the right distance from your face. If you have 
attention turned off it’s just a matter of putting it just about 10 inches from 
your face. I had a terrible time at the beginning. Sometimes I still have 
trouble, but it really does work. It’s just that you have to practice it. It’s 
just like those little blimps on the bottom and the top. It takes time to get 
used to doing it. It takes practice to do it properly. It will come, and then 
you’ll feel just as comfortable with Face ID as you did with the home button. 
Hang in there. happy new year to you and to everyone!

Reggie Alvarado 

On Jan 1, 2022, at 12:12 PM, Fazil M.  wrote:


Hi Group.
I am having problem with using Face ID to unlock my iPhone12.
I successfully complete two steps of setting up face ID and double tapped Done 
Button and iPhone says face ID is ready to use. Attention is off too.
I am unable to unlock phone with face id.
Any more tips to unlock phone with face id is much appreciated.
Thanks!
-- 
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
 
If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
 
Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: 
mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
caraqu...@caraquinn.com
 
The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/MWHPR20MB1216251986B9C8485A0B9301C9479%40MWHPR20MB1216.namprd20.prod.outlook.com.

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  
mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
caraqu...@caraquinn.com

The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/ED9BB85C-7B65-48B2-A11F-6605843C2013%40gmail.com.

The Native Mail App

[Lynn White]

For some reason, I have lost the native mail app on my iPhone 12 pro 
Max. I can get siri to open it but with some type of error message.


I've looked for the app in the Store but can't find it. How do I bring 
this back and how can I make sure that it is on the home page?


Thanks as always.

--
For 24/7 music and shows to encourage you in following Christ, go to 
https://www.radioforlife.org

--
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  
mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
caraqu...@caraquinn.com

The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.

To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/ee33c720-ea06-ed5e-edd1-ca1f43bb34fa%40gmail.com.

Face ID Revisited

[Fazil M.]

Hi Group.

I am having problem with using Face ID to unlock my iPhone12.

I successfully complete two steps of setting up face ID and double tapped
Done Button and iPhone says face ID is ready to use. Attention is off too.

I am unable to unlock phone with face id.

Any more tips to unlock phone with face id is much appreciated.

Thanks!

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  
mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
caraqu...@caraquinn.com

The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/MWHPR20MB1216251986B9C8485A0B9301C9479%40MWHPR20MB1216.namprd20.prod.outlook.com.

RE: Is E-SIM Intact?

[Fazil M.]

Thanks much, Sieghard.

Yes, I got a new one.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2021 10:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Is E-SIM Intact?

 

I believe you may have to get a new one, but I'm not entirely sure, easiest way 
to find out is to set up the phone and see if you can still get calls.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Fazil M.
Sent: December 31, 2021 7:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Is E-SIM Intact?

 

Hi, Group.

I have reset my iPhone12 to factory default. Should I assume that the E-SIM is 
still intact? Or, it is gone and I have to get reactivated?

Thanks!

 

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
 
If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
 
Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: 
mk...@ucla.edu  . Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you 
can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com  
 
The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
 .
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/MWHPR20MB121644AD0476EF653E29D27CC9469%40MWHPR20MB1216.namprd20.prod.outlook.com
 

 .

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
 
If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
 
Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: 
mk...@ucla.edu  . Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you 
can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com  
 
The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
 .
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/SJ0PR06MB78624264A846288D0769023BC7479%40SJ0PR06MB7862.namprd06.prod.outlook.com
 

 .

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  
mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
caraqu...@caraquinn.com

The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/MWHPR20MB1216CDAD98F8FB47CC272DDAC9479%40MWHPR20MB1216.namprd20.prod.outlook.com.

RE: A reason not to spend the big Bucks for Apple Airpods including Airpod Max or at least not yet

[mich verrier]

I also agree with that as well and speeking as a Canadion yes I agree it does 
cost more hear in Canada then it does in the US. And let's also bring in to the 
situation those of us who live on fixt incomes like Ontario Disibillidey 
support and live on like my self 700 a month for paying bills etc oncemy rent 
is taken off. Yes I know that we have a lot more to live on but I am strickley 
talking about the amount in the bank that we have to play around with once the 
rent is taken off of my check every month since it is taken off automatically. 
So for instince I have never had enough to pay for a IPhone out right so I am 
stuck paying off a phone on a 2 year contract the same go's forajy other apple 
products like the apple watch for example. Shure you can get one for 0 dollars 
down but you still have to pay it off over the years. It would be nice if 
programs hear in Ontario like the assistive divices program would support the 
purchis of different apple products like the apple watch Iphone, etc. in fact I 
filld out a servay that made that idea. My point is that I agree what people 
choose or not choose to spend there oney on is there choice how ever not 
everyone has the funds to upgrade to the latest and gratest every year or what 
have you. For instince I am still using the Iphone 8 and it is still holding up 
verry well. Could I upgrade? Yes of korce I could and I might or I might just 
wate. But for instince the air pods wile I like the idea of beaing whierless 
and having bluetuth on my phone I don't lissen to music will going out for 
walks and stuff so to me the idea of just whired ear buds are just fine. How 
ever I am happy to hear that they are only 200 instead of the 700 or what I 
thought they would be. From Mich Verrier from New Liskeard Ontario Canada.   

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: January 1, 2022 11:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: A reason not to spend the big Bucks for Apple Airpods including 
Airpod Max or at least not yet

I  agree with that, but it also depends on whether you are talking about 
technology which is what I would call essential and technology which is less 
so. I need my iPhone for many things every day so it better be in top shape, 
but while for me a set of wired Earbuds are essential, a $700 Bluetooth headset 
like the Airpods Max is luxury and before all of you south of the border inform 
me that it is only $549 or whatever it costs there, I am talking about our 
currency.
Anyways, it's like with everything, people decide what they need and what they 
want and spend their money accordingly.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: January 1, 2022 6:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: A reason not to spend the big Bucks for Apple Airpods including 
Airpod Max or at least not yet

True, everything will be better in a year or two but then that's a year or two 
I'll be using even older technology while I keep waiting. I'm not saying people 
should never wait. It obviously depends on how long you'd be waiting and how 
unhappy you are with what you have now. I tend to keep my technology for quite 
a while, but I don't wait as long as I used to. I held on to my iPhone 4S 
forever because I kept thinking if I just wait another six months, I'll see 
what Samsung has to offer and then six months after that Apple will have some 
new iPhones out and so on. By the time I pulled the trigger I was using a 
device I was pretty unhappy with and that hadn't been getting IOS updates for a 
while.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, January 1, 2022 1:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: A reason not to spend the big Bucks for Apple Airpods including 
Airpod Max or at least not yet

A statement which very rarely applies to technology because whatever passes me 
by will be better in a year or two.
A good example would be the Airpods, if I wanted to buy a set I'd much rather 
buy them now than when they first came out 4 or whatever years ago because I 
know I'd be replacing them by now.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Andy 
Baracco
Sent: December 31, 2021 6:48 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A reason not to spend the big Bucks for Apple Airpods including 
Airpod Max or at least not yet

Those who wait for the next best thing will always be waiting while it passes 
them by.
Andy

- Original Message -
From: "Joshua Hendrickson" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2021 12:38 AM
Subject: Re: A reason not to spend the big Bucks for Apple Airpods including 
Airpod Max or at least not yet


>I couldn't read that article you posted.  Microsoft wanted me to sign 
>in or something.
>
> On 12/31/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> Here is an interesting article w

RE: A reason not to spend the big Bucks for Apple Airpods including Airpod Max or at least not yet

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I  agree with that, but it also depends on whether you are talking about 
technology which is what I would call essential and technology which is less 
so. I need my iPhone for many things every day so it better be in top shape, 
but while for me a set of wired Earbuds are essential, a $700 Bluetooth headset 
like the Airpods Max is luxury and before all of you south of the border inform 
me that it is only $549 or whatever it costs there, I am talking about our 
currency.
Anyways, it's like with everything, people decide what they need and what they 
want and spend their money accordingly.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: January 1, 2022 6:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: A reason not to spend the big Bucks for Apple Airpods including 
Airpod Max or at least not yet

True, everything will be better in a year or two but then that's a year or two 
I'll be using even older technology while I keep waiting. I'm not saying people 
should never wait. It obviously depends on how long you'd be waiting and how 
unhappy you are with what you have now. I tend to keep my technology for quite 
a while, but I don't wait as long as I used to. I held on to my iPhone 4S 
forever because I kept thinking if I just wait another six months, I'll see 
what Samsung has to offer and then six months after that Apple will have some 
new iPhones out and so on. By the time I pulled the trigger I was using a 
device I was pretty unhappy with and that hadn't been getting IOS updates for a 
while.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, January 1, 2022 1:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: A reason not to spend the big Bucks for Apple Airpods including 
Airpod Max or at least not yet

A statement which very rarely applies to technology because whatever passes me 
by will be better in a year or two.
A good example would be the Airpods, if I wanted to buy a set I'd much rather 
buy them now than when they first came out 4 or whatever years ago because I 
know I'd be replacing them by now.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Andy 
Baracco
Sent: December 31, 2021 6:48 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A reason not to spend the big Bucks for Apple Airpods including 
Airpod Max or at least not yet

Those who wait for the next best thing will always be waiting while it passes 
them by.
Andy

- Original Message -
From: "Joshua Hendrickson" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2021 12:38 AM
Subject: Re: A reason not to spend the big Bucks for Apple Airpods including 
Airpod Max or at least not yet


>I couldn't read that article you posted.  Microsoft wanted me to sign 
>in or something.
>
> On 12/31/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> Here is an interesting article which shows how limited Bluetooth 
>> connectivity is and that includes the ultra high priced Airpods Max
>> headphones:
>>
>> [?xlsx icon] Bluetooth Is Holding Back Apple's AirPods 
>> Ambitions> %2F%2Foutdooressentials-my.sharepoint.com%2Fpersonal%2Finfo_b&dat
>> a=04%7C01%7C%7Cc30f8ab5dcf44f487fda08d9ccf673b0%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb43
>> 5%7C1%7C0%7C637766181135398885%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8ey
>> JWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C30
>> 00&sdata=sgTUk3asnycITbuLGyzVoBrQHJEzRYo3o5BHuZU0B0E%3D&reser
>> ved=0
>> voutdoors_com/Documents/Dryshod%20November%20Order%20with%20Changes.x
>> lsx?web=1>
>>
>> So, I'll continue to wait for a Sonos headset which will of course 
>> add the headset to my existing Sonos system via Wi-Fi and will be 
>> able to provide true lossless quality sound and most likely for less 
>> than what the Airpods Max dcost.
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Sieghard
>>
>> --
>> The following information is important for all members of the V 
>> iPhone list.
>>
>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, 
>> or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact 
>> the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list 
>> itself.
>>
>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:
>> mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara 
>> at caraqu...@caraquinn.com
>>
>> The archives for this list can be searched at:
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.m
>> ail-archive.com%2Fviphone%40googlegroups.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7
>> Cc30f8ab5dcf44f487fda08d9ccf673b0%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%
>> 7C1%7C0%7C637766181135398885%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAw
>> MDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=%
>> 2FMs%2F5gakUkLMqRzdzIcNnAK3RaNLtjKa5n5h6oNU1m8%3D&reserved=0
>> ---
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google 
>> Groups "VIPhone" g

RE: A reason not to spend the big Bucks for Apple Airpods including Airpod Max or at least not yet

[Christopher Chaltain]

True, and a very good point. This is why I don't presume to tell people what 
they should or shouldn't do and whether a particular product is worth the money 
or not. In addition to not knowing what other people's financial situation is, 
I also don't know how important different features are to someone and how much 
they're willing to pay for it.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Anthony 
Vece
Sent: Saturday, January 1, 2022 9:06 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A reason not to spend the big Bucks for Apple Airpods including 
Airpod Max or at least not yet

Everyone may not have the financial resources or the budget that you have. 
Happy new year Anthony

Sent from my iPhone 12 Pro!!!

> On Jan 1, 2022, at 9:51 AM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> 
> True, everything will be better in a year or two but then that's a year or 
> two I'll be using even older technology while I keep waiting. I'm not saying 
> people should never wait. It obviously depends on how long you'd be waiting 
> and how unhappy you are with what you have now. I tend to keep my technology 
> for quite a while, but I don't wait as long as I used to. I held on to my 
> iPhone 4S forever because I kept thinking if I just wait another six months, 
> I'll see what Samsung has to offer and then six months after that Apple will 
> have some new iPhones out and so on. By the time I pulled the trigger I was 
> using a device I was pretty unhappy with and that hadn't been getting IOS 
> updates for a while.
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Saturday, January 1, 2022 1:15 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: A reason not to spend the big Bucks for Apple Airpods 
> including Airpod Max or at least not yet
> 
> A statement which very rarely applies to technology because whatever passes 
> me by will be better in a year or two.
> A good example would be the Airpods, if I wanted to buy a set I'd much rather 
> buy them now than when they first came out 4 or whatever years ago because I 
> know I'd be replacing them by now.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Andy Baracco
> Sent: December 31, 2021 6:48 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: A reason not to spend the big Bucks for Apple Airpods 
> including Airpod Max or at least not yet
> 
> Those who wait for the next best thing will always be waiting while it passes 
> them by.
> Andy
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Joshua Hendrickson" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2021 12:38 AM
> Subject: Re: A reason not to spend the big Bucks for Apple Airpods 
> including Airpod Max or at least not yet
> 
> 
>> I couldn't read that article you posted.  Microsoft wanted me to sign 
>> in or something.
>> 
>>> On 12/31/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>> Here is an interesting article which shows how limited Bluetooth 
>>> connectivity is and that includes the ultra high priced Airpods Max
>>> headphones:
>>> 
>>> [?xlsx icon] Bluetooth Is Holding Back Apple's AirPods 
>>> Ambitions>> A 
>>> %2F%2Foutdooressentials-my.sharepoint.com%2Fpersonal%2Finfo_b&da
>>> t
>>> a=04%7C01%7C%7Cc30f8ab5dcf44f487fda08d9ccf673b0%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb4
>>> 3 
>>> 5%7C1%7C0%7C637766181135398885%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8e
>>> y
>>> JWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3
>>> 0 
>>> 00&sdata=sgTUk3asnycITbuLGyzVoBrQHJEzRYo3o5BHuZU0B0E%3D&rese
>>> r
>>> ved=0
>>> voutdoors_com/Documents/Dryshod%20November%20Order%20with%20Changes.
>>> x
>>> lsx?web=1>
>>> 
>>> So, I'll continue to wait for a Sonos headset which will of course 
>>> add the headset to my existing Sonos system via Wi-Fi and will be 
>>> able to provide true lossless quality sound and most likely for less 
>>> than what the Airpods Max dcost.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best regards,
>>> Sieghard
>>> 
>>> --
>>> The following information is important for all members of the V 
>>> iPhone list.
>>> 
>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this 
>>> list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please 
>>> contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the 
>>> list itself.
>>> 
>>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:
>>> mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara 
>>> at caraqu...@caraquinn.com
>>> 
>>> The archives for this list can be searched at:
>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.
>>> m%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cbeadcf5b59274637c93308d9cd384373%7C84df9e
>>> 7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637766463797069807%7CUnknown%7C
>>> TWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJX
>>> VCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=GRdle4Uv9dgR3fmXd4RZ3Q

Re: A reason not to spend the big Bucks for Apple Airpods including Airpod Max or at least not yet

['Mervin Keck III' via VIPhone]

I like the Sony WH1000XM4. It is very comfortable. Has great sound. Normally 
retails for $349 US. However, I got a Black Friday deal for two of them for my 
wife and I. They were $100 off for several weeks over the holidays.
Merv


> On Jan 1, 2022, at 10:07 AM, Anthony Vece  wrote:
> 
> Everyone may not have the financial resources or the budget that you have. 
> Happy new year Anthony
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 12 Pro!!!
> 
>> On Jan 1, 2022, at 9:51 AM, Christopher Chaltain  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> True, everything will be better in a year or two but then that's a year or 
>> two I'll be using even older technology while I keep waiting. I'm not saying 
>> people should never wait. It obviously depends on how long you'd be waiting 
>> and how unhappy you are with what you have now. I tend to keep my technology 
>> for quite a while, but I don't wait as long as I used to. I held on to my 
>> iPhone 4S forever because I kept thinking if I just wait another six months, 
>> I'll see what Samsung has to offer and then six months after that Apple will 
>> have some new iPhones out and so on. By the time I pulled the trigger I was 
>> using a device I was pretty unhappy with and that hadn't been getting IOS 
>> updates for a while.
>> 
>> --
>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>> Chaltain at Outlook
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Saturday, January 1, 2022 1:15 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: A reason not to spend the big Bucks for Apple Airpods including 
>> Airpod Max or at least not yet
>> 
>> A statement which very rarely applies to technology because whatever passes 
>> me by will be better in a year or two.
>> A good example would be the Airpods, if I wanted to buy a set I'd much 
>> rather buy them now than when they first came out 4 or whatever years ago 
>> because I know I'd be replacing them by now.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Andy 
>> Baracco
>> Sent: December 31, 2021 6:48 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: A reason not to spend the big Bucks for Apple Airpods including 
>> Airpod Max or at least not yet
>> 
>> Those who wait for the next best thing will always be waiting while it 
>> passes them by.
>> Andy
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Joshua Hendrickson" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2021 12:38 AM
>> Subject: Re: A reason not to spend the big Bucks for Apple Airpods including 
>> Airpod Max or at least not yet
>> 
>> 
>>> I couldn't read that article you posted.  Microsoft wanted me to sign 
>>> in or something.
>>> 
> On 12/31/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> Here is an interesting article which shows how limited Bluetooth 
> connectivity is and that includes the ultra high priced Airpods Max
> headphones:
> 
> [?xlsx icon] Bluetooth Is Holding Back Apple's AirPods
> Ambitions %2F%2Foutdooressentials-my.sharepoint.com%2Fpersonal%2Finfo_b&dat
> a=04%7C01%7C%7Cc30f8ab5dcf44f487fda08d9ccf673b0%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb43
> 5%7C1%7C0%7C637766181135398885%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8ey
> JWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C30
> 00&sdata=sgTUk3asnycITbuLGyzVoBrQHJEzRYo3o5BHuZU0B0E%3D&reser
> ved=0 
> voutdoors_com/Documents/Dryshod%20November%20Order%20with%20Changes.x
> lsx?web=1>
> 
> So, I'll continue to wait for a Sonos headset which will of course 
> add the headset to my existing Sonos system via Wi-Fi and will be 
> able to provide true lossless quality sound and most likely for less 
> than what the Airpods Max dcost.
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> --
> The following information is important for all members of the V 
> iPhone list.
> 
> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, 
> or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact 
> the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list 
> itself.
> 
> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:
> mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara 
> at caraqu...@caraquinn.com
> 
> The archives for this list can be searched at:
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.m
> ail-archive.com%2Fviphone%40googlegroups.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7
> Cc30f8ab5dcf44f487fda08d9ccf673b0%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%
> 7C1%7C0%7C637766181135398885%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAw
> MDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=%
> 2FMs%2F5gakUkLMqRzdzIcNnAK3RaNLtjKa5n5h6oNU1m8%3D&reserved=0
> ---
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google 
> Groups "VIPhone" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop rec

Re: A reason not to spend the big Bucks for Apple Airpods including Airpod Max or at least not yet

[Anthony Vece]

Everyone may not have the financial resources or the budget that you have. 
Happy new year Anthony

Sent from my iPhone 12 Pro!!!

> On Jan 1, 2022, at 9:51 AM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> 
> True, everything will be better in a year or two but then that's a year or 
> two I'll be using even older technology while I keep waiting. I'm not saying 
> people should never wait. It obviously depends on how long you'd be waiting 
> and how unhappy you are with what you have now. I tend to keep my technology 
> for quite a while, but I don't wait as long as I used to. I held on to my 
> iPhone 4S forever because I kept thinking if I just wait another six months, 
> I'll see what Samsung has to offer and then six months after that Apple will 
> have some new iPhones out and so on. By the time I pulled the trigger I was 
> using a device I was pretty unhappy with and that hadn't been getting IOS 
> updates for a while.
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Saturday, January 1, 2022 1:15 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: A reason not to spend the big Bucks for Apple Airpods including 
> Airpod Max or at least not yet
> 
> A statement which very rarely applies to technology because whatever passes 
> me by will be better in a year or two.
> A good example would be the Airpods, if I wanted to buy a set I'd much rather 
> buy them now than when they first came out 4 or whatever years ago because I 
> know I'd be replacing them by now.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Andy 
> Baracco
> Sent: December 31, 2021 6:48 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: A reason not to spend the big Bucks for Apple Airpods including 
> Airpod Max or at least not yet
> 
> Those who wait for the next best thing will always be waiting while it passes 
> them by.
> Andy
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Joshua Hendrickson" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2021 12:38 AM
> Subject: Re: A reason not to spend the big Bucks for Apple Airpods including 
> Airpod Max or at least not yet
> 
> 
>> I couldn't read that article you posted.  Microsoft wanted me to sign 
>> in or something.
>> 
>>> On 12/31/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>> Here is an interesting article which shows how limited Bluetooth 
>>> connectivity is and that includes the ultra high priced Airpods Max
>>> headphones:
>>> 
>>> [?xlsx icon] Bluetooth Is Holding Back Apple's AirPods
>>> Ambitions>> %2F%2Foutdooressentials-my.sharepoint.com%2Fpersonal%2Finfo_b&dat
>>> a=04%7C01%7C%7Cc30f8ab5dcf44f487fda08d9ccf673b0%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb43
>>> 5%7C1%7C0%7C637766181135398885%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8ey
>>> JWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C30
>>> 00&sdata=sgTUk3asnycITbuLGyzVoBrQHJEzRYo3o5BHuZU0B0E%3D&reser
>>> ved=0 
>>> voutdoors_com/Documents/Dryshod%20November%20Order%20with%20Changes.x
>>> lsx?web=1>
>>> 
>>> So, I'll continue to wait for a Sonos headset which will of course 
>>> add the headset to my existing Sonos system via Wi-Fi and will be 
>>> able to provide true lossless quality sound and most likely for less 
>>> than what the Airpods Max dcost.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best regards,
>>> Sieghard
>>> 
>>> --
>>> The following information is important for all members of the V 
>>> iPhone list.
>>> 
>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, 
>>> or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact 
>>> the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list 
>>> itself.
>>> 
>>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:
>>> mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara 
>>> at caraqu...@caraquinn.com
>>> 
>>> The archives for this list can be searched at:
>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.m
>>> ail-archive.com%2Fviphone%40googlegroups.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7
>>> Cc30f8ab5dcf44f487fda08d9ccf673b0%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%
>>> 7C1%7C0%7C637766181135398885%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAw
>>> MDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=%
>>> 2FMs%2F5gakUkLMqRzdzIcNnAK3RaNLtjKa5n5h6oNU1m8%3D&reserved=0
>>> ---
>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google 
>>> Groups "VIPhone" group.
>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, 
>>> send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>>> To view this discussion on the web visit 
>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fd%2Fmsgid%2Fviphone%2FSJ0PR06MB7862F96AC35C5822A95A0911C7469%2540SJ0PR06MB7862.namprd06.prod.outlook.com&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cc30f8ab5dcf44f487fda08d9ccf673b0%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637766181135398885%7CUnknown%7CTWFpb

RE: A reason not to spend the big Bucks for Apple Airpods including Airpod Max or at least not yet

[Christopher Chaltain]

True, everything will be better in a year or two but then that's a year or two 
I'll be using even older technology while I keep waiting. I'm not saying people 
should never wait. It obviously depends on how long you'd be waiting and how 
unhappy you are with what you have now. I tend to keep my technology for quite 
a while, but I don't wait as long as I used to. I held on to my iPhone 4S 
forever because I kept thinking if I just wait another six months, I'll see 
what Samsung has to offer and then six months after that Apple will have some 
new iPhones out and so on. By the time I pulled the trigger I was using a 
device I was pretty unhappy with and that hadn't been getting IOS updates for a 
while.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, January 1, 2022 1:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: A reason not to spend the big Bucks for Apple Airpods including 
Airpod Max or at least not yet

A statement which very rarely applies to technology because whatever passes me 
by will be better in a year or two.
A good example would be the Airpods, if I wanted to buy a set I'd much rather 
buy them now than when they first came out 4 or whatever years ago because I 
know I'd be replacing them by now.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Andy 
Baracco
Sent: December 31, 2021 6:48 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A reason not to spend the big Bucks for Apple Airpods including 
Airpod Max or at least not yet

Those who wait for the next best thing will always be waiting while it passes 
them by.
Andy

- Original Message -
From: "Joshua Hendrickson" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2021 12:38 AM
Subject: Re: A reason not to spend the big Bucks for Apple Airpods including 
Airpod Max or at least not yet


>I couldn't read that article you posted.  Microsoft wanted me to sign 
>in or something.
>
> On 12/31/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> Here is an interesting article which shows how limited Bluetooth 
>> connectivity is and that includes the ultra high priced Airpods Max
>> headphones:
>>
>> [?xlsx icon] Bluetooth Is Holding Back Apple's AirPods
>> Ambitions> %2F%2Foutdooressentials-my.sharepoint.com%2Fpersonal%2Finfo_b&dat
>> a=04%7C01%7C%7Cc30f8ab5dcf44f487fda08d9ccf673b0%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb43
>> 5%7C1%7C0%7C637766181135398885%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8ey
>> JWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C30
>> 00&sdata=sgTUk3asnycITbuLGyzVoBrQHJEzRYo3o5BHuZU0B0E%3D&reser
>> ved=0 
>> voutdoors_com/Documents/Dryshod%20November%20Order%20with%20Changes.x
>> lsx?web=1>
>>
>> So, I'll continue to wait for a Sonos headset which will of course 
>> add the headset to my existing Sonos system via Wi-Fi and will be 
>> able to provide true lossless quality sound and most likely for less 
>> than what the Airpods Max dcost.
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Sieghard
>>
>> --
>> The following information is important for all members of the V 
>> iPhone list.
>>
>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, 
>> or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact 
>> the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list 
>> itself.
>>
>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:
>> mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara 
>> at caraqu...@caraquinn.com
>>
>> The archives for this list can be searched at:
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.m
>> ail-archive.com%2Fviphone%40googlegroups.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7
>> Cc30f8ab5dcf44f487fda08d9ccf673b0%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%
>> 7C1%7C0%7C637766181135398885%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAw
>> MDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=%
>> 2FMs%2F5gakUkLMqRzdzIcNnAK3RaNLtjKa5n5h6oNU1m8%3D&reserved=0
>> ---
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google 
>> Groups "VIPhone" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, 
>> send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> To view this discussion on the web visit 
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fd%2Fmsgid%2Fviphone%2FSJ0PR06MB7862F96AC35C5822A95A0911C7469%2540SJ0PR06MB7862.namprd06.prod.outlook.com&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cc30f8ab5dcf44f487fda08d9ccf673b0%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637766181135398885%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=BoY5TPFkogYmrhfDaN3zOlYX0rdSizTldrR8gbqMtIQ%3D&reserved=0.
>>
>
>
> --
> Joshua Hendrickson
>
> Joshua Hendrickson
>
> --
> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone 
> list.
>
> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this 

Re: Bluetooth Headset recommendation

[Marco Curralejo]

They are not meant to be for music. I'm not sure why it some people don't 
get this.


On January 1, 2022 09:38:09 Richard Turner  wrote:

I did a demo of the Aftershokz OpenComm headset on my web site.
It is under the demos and walk-through page.


http://www.turner42.com/DEMOS.html



Richard
"It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is 
lightly greased." -- Kehlog Albran, The Profit


My web site: https://www.turner42.com

(Sent from my iPhone 13 Pro)


On Dec 31, 2021, at 10:53 AM, chrisjudge1...@gmail.com wrote:
I like the aftershox for GPS and such, but I’ve never cared for them for music.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain

Sent: December 31, 2021 2:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; mmmat 
Subject: RE: Bluetooth Headset recommendation

I too would recommend Aftershokz. The audio is fine for voice, but some may 
find them a bit lacking for high fidelity sound. I haven’t gotten any 
complaints from the people I call, so I assume the audio on their end is 
adequate.


--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Marco Curralejo

Sent: Friday, December 31, 2021 10:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; mmmat 
Subject: RE: Bluetooth Headset recommendation

I would highly recommend the aftershocks opencom headphones which have an 
excellent microphone and decent enough sound.


On January 1, 2022 03:49:57 "mmmat"  wrote:
Thanks for the recommendation.  I will look into this model.

Mario


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Michael McKay

Sent: Friday, December 31, 2021 9:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bluetooth Headset recommendation

I use the Aftershokz Bluetooth bone conduction wireless headset. I have an 
iPhone 7 Plus, and it pairs with it very very well. Hope this helps.

Sent from my iPhone



On Dec 31, 2021, at 04:31, mmmat  wrote:
?
I am in the market for a Bluetooth  earbud headset for my iPhone.  I am 
interested in some recommendation based on  personal experience.


I am looking for a set of earbuds that is  around the neck style, easy to 
use, has very good battery life, has decent sounds quality and can be used 
for making and receiving phone calls.  I looked at the reviews of headsets 
on Amazon and I would like to get the purchase right the first time.


I had a set of Beats and was not impressed with the battery life.  It 
seamed that it would only last a few hours and it was more of a pain in the 
neck then it was worth.  I had a set of LG 780, that had great battery 
life, but device was not usable making and receiving phone calls.  I have 
tried Air Buds, but the battery life is too short and I am concerned about 
misplacing them to easily.


Thanks in advance,
Mario
--
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners 
or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.


Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: 
mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
caraqu...@caraquinn.com


The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
---
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/04a001d7fe20%24d1ccafa0%2475660ee0%24%40comcast.net.

--
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners 
or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.


Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: 
mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
caraqu...@caraquinn.com


The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
---
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/C952CCB4-86BA-4629-B412-61CAC1EC5112%40gmail.com.

--
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners 
or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.


Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: 
mk...@ucla.edu. Your