RE: iPhone startup and shutdown tones

[Dennis Long]

No problem I try to help the group where I can


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2022 8:11 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhone startup and shutdown tones

Thank you, Dennis,  This was very considerate of you.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dennis 
Long
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2022 1:30 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhone startup and shutdown tones

Joshua accidently put his response at the end.  I'm pasting it for easier 
reading.
Mark. I should have said that I’m not having problems with IOS 16.2. I like 
this update pretty well. I do hope some focus issues will be fixed in the next 
update. My phone is working well.

-Original Message-
From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2022 3:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone startup and shutdown tones



Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 31, 2022, at 1:14 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Joshua,
> 
> I am sorry to learn that you are having problems with iOS 16.2 and iPhone 13.
> 
> Can you please list a few of these problems as I know of at least 2 local 
> VoiceOver users who are preparing to buy 13 models and I am certain they 
> would appreciate any items you could share.
> 
> List member Sieghard, as many will recall, just purchased an iPhone 13 Pro 
> and I do not believe he has listed any OS problems with his phone, yet.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Joshua Hendrickson
> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2022 10:17 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iPhone startup and shutdown tones
> 
> AIm not having any problems with my Iphone 13 pro max and version 16.2.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Dec 30, 2022, at 6:05 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>>> If I were you and had the sounds, I wouldn't go to 16.2; wait for 16.3. I 
>>> have a 14 Pro, so will have the tones, but I have heard too much about 
>>> 16.2, and do not intend to update until 16.3 is available. 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>>> Behalf Of Stewart McKay
>>> Sent: Friday, December 30, 2022 1:51 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: iPhone startup and shutdown tones
>>> 
>>> funny but i havbe an iphone eight and i have the sounds as well.  i haven't 
>>> updated to 16.2 yet but if what everyone is saying i will lose them too.  
>>> but it is strange that when i updated to 16.1 they were enabled even though 
>>> they weren't supposed to be for my model On 12/30/2022 1:15 PM, Carolyn 
>>> wrote:
>>> I think that both Start Up and Shut Down are only on the 14 models.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>>> Behalf Of Dennis Long
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2022 8:14 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: iPhone startup and shutdown tones
>>> 
>>> Are they available on the iPhone 13 pro?  Thanks.
>> 
>> --
>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
>> 
>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
>> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>> 
>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  
>> mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara 
>> at caraqu...@caraquinn.com
>> 
>> The archives for this list can be searched at:
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
>> ---
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "VIPhone" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> To view this discussion on the web visit 
>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/b17df9ba-719f-9acb-5c02-ca30906b1bf6%40att.net.
>> 
>> --
>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
>> 
>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
>> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>> 
>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  
>> mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara 
>> at caraqu...@caraquinn.com
>> 
>> The archives for this list can be searched at:
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
>> ---
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "VIPhone" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails fro

Re: iPhone startup and shutdown tones

[Alex Stone]

Carolyn, a lot of people are whingeing about 16.2, but it’s working fine on my 
iPhone 14 pro max.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 31 Dec 2022, at 00:05, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> If I were you and had the sounds, I wouldn't go to 16.2; wait for 16.3. I 
> have a 14 Pro, so will have the tones, but I have heard too much about 16.2, 
> and do not intend to update until 16.3 is available. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Stewart McKay
> Sent: Friday, December 30, 2022 1:51 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iPhone startup and shutdown tones
> 
> funny but i havbe an iphone eight and i have the sounds as well.  i haven't 
> updated to 16.2 yet but if what everyone is saying i will lose them too.  but 
> it is strange that when i updated to 16.1 they were enabled even though they 
> weren't supposed to be for my model On 12/30/2022 1:15 PM, Carolyn wrote:
>> I think that both Start Up and Shut Down are only on the 14 models.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Dennis Long
>> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2022 8:14 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: iPhone startup and shutdown tones
>> 
>> Are they available on the iPhone 13 pro?  Thanks.
>> 
> 
> --
> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
> 
> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
> 
> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  
> mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
> 
> The archives for this list can be searched at:
> https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Fviphone%40googlegroups.com%2F&data=05%7C01%7C%7C615f00cc81214846e47208daeac2c3fb%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C638080419478230360%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=Lct%2B9n8rBcDNyYejXJHBnWJEHehAgC8qc7zhkCOAhuE%3D&reserved=0
> ---
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "VIPhone" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To view this discussion on the web visit 
> https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fd%2Fmsgid%2Fviphone%2Fb17df9ba-719f-9acb-5c02-ca30906b1bf6%2540att.net&data=05%7C01%7C%7C615f00cc81214846e47208daeac2c3fb%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C638080419478230360%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=2pFTgAc3UYL4TWX2Qjd4pfdyTWaoozk9zSKr6MLU6WU%3D&reserved=0.
> 
> -- 
> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
> 
> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
> 
> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  
> mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
> 
> The archives for this list can be searched at:
> https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Fviphone%40googlegroups.com%2F&data=05%7C01%7C%7C615f00cc81214846e47208daeac2c3fb%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C638080419478230360%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=Lct%2B9n8rBcDNyYejXJHBnWJEHehAgC8qc7zhkCOAhuE%3D&reserved=0
> --- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "VIPhone" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To view this discussion on the web visit 
> https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fd%2Fmsgid%2Fviphone%2F0c6b01d91cab%25249e12d540%2524da387fc0%2524%2540windstream.net&data=05%7C01%7C%7C615f00cc81214846e47208daeac2c3fb%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C638080419478230360%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=9JvKH3mcFbsq3hF33z3jslHCaKXWqNEIOtXcZ2hDS%2FY%3D&reserved=0.

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on 

RE: iPhone startup and shutdown tones

[M. Taylor]

Thank you, Dennis,  This was very considerate of you.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dennis 
Long
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2022 1:30 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhone startup and shutdown tones

Joshua accidently put his response at the end.  I'm pasting it for easier 
reading.
Mark. I should have said that I’m not having problems with IOS 16.2. I like 
this update pretty well. I do hope some focus issues will be fixed in the next 
update. My phone is working well.

-Original Message-
From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2022 3:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone startup and shutdown tones



Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 31, 2022, at 1:14 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Joshua,
> 
> I am sorry to learn that you are having problems with iOS 16.2 and iPhone 13.
> 
> Can you please list a few of these problems as I know of at least 2 local 
> VoiceOver users who are preparing to buy 13 models and I am certain they 
> would appreciate any items you could share.
> 
> List member Sieghard, as many will recall, just purchased an iPhone 13 Pro 
> and I do not believe he has listed any OS problems with his phone, yet.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Joshua Hendrickson
> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2022 10:17 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iPhone startup and shutdown tones
> 
> AIm not having any problems with my Iphone 13 pro max and version 16.2.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Dec 30, 2022, at 6:05 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>>> If I were you and had the sounds, I wouldn't go to 16.2; wait for 16.3. I 
>>> have a 14 Pro, so will have the tones, but I have heard too much about 
>>> 16.2, and do not intend to update until 16.3 is available. 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>>> Behalf Of Stewart McKay
>>> Sent: Friday, December 30, 2022 1:51 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: iPhone startup and shutdown tones
>>> 
>>> funny but i havbe an iphone eight and i have the sounds as well.  i haven't 
>>> updated to 16.2 yet but if what everyone is saying i will lose them too.  
>>> but it is strange that when i updated to 16.1 they were enabled even though 
>>> they weren't supposed to be for my model On 12/30/2022 1:15 PM, Carolyn 
>>> wrote:
>>> I think that both Start Up and Shut Down are only on the 14 models.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>>> Behalf Of Dennis Long
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2022 8:14 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: iPhone startup and shutdown tones
>>> 
>>> Are they available on the iPhone 13 pro?  Thanks.
>> 
>> --
>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
>> 
>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
>> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>> 
>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  
>> mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara 
>> at caraqu...@caraquinn.com
>> 
>> The archives for this list can be searched at:
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
>> ---
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "VIPhone" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> To view this discussion on the web visit 
>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/b17df9ba-719f-9acb-5c02-ca30906b1bf6%40att.net.
>> 
>> --
>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
>> 
>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
>> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>> 
>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  
>> mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara 
>> at caraqu...@caraquinn.com
>> 
>> The archives for this list can be searched at:
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
>> ---
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "VIPhone" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> To view this discussion on the web visit 
>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/0c6b01d91cab%249e12d540%24da387fc0%24%40windstream.net.
> 
> --
> The following information is important for all members of t

PSA: Apple calendar Time Zone Confusion Drove Me Nuts, but there's a simple solution: 9 to 5 Mac

[M. Taylor]

9to5Mac - Friday, December 30, 2022 at 7:18 AM
PSA: Apple calendar timezone confusion drove me nuts, but there's a simple
solution
 
There are times when something drives you nuts, and a long time later you
learn that there was a simple solution all along. So in case anyone else has
suffered from Apple Calendar timezone confusion, let me share it.
The confusion arises because of what I personally think is a rather odd
default by Apple, which probably reflects the life of senior Cupertino execs
more than the average iPhone or Mac user .
Apple calendar timezone confusion
When you enter a new calendar event, it will of course default to your
current timezone. That's perfectly sensible.
If the event is for a planned trip, in which you will be in a different
timezone, then you can select that timezone from a dropdown. Once you're
actually in that timezone, then all is good: the event is shown at the
correct time.
The problem comes before that, when you are still in your own timezone. All
the events are shown in adjusted time.
Here's a real-life example. I'm currently in London, but added an event in
Las Vegas at 5 p.m. on January 4. When I select the Pacific timezone, the
event jumps, and is now shown as 1 a.m. on January 6.
I mean, technically that's correct: When I sit down for the dinner at 5 p.m.
in Vegas, it will indeed be 1 a.m. the following day in London. But there's
no need for me to either know or care about that, and it makes it really
hard to make sense of my schedule when looking at it ahead of time.
I think I understand the thinking
It always struck me as weird that, when I look ahead at my schedule, it
shows completely the wrong times (and sometimes days), just because I'm in
my home timezone when I'm looking. It seemed to me to make far more sense to
always show them at the correct time.
However, my theory is that these decisions are made by Apple execs, who (a)
travel a lot and (b) probably spend half their lives on conference calls.
That's the one situation where the default makes sense. If you have a call
at 2 p.m. Cupertino time, and then fly to Hangzhou in China, then you need
to know the local time for that call. Apple Calendar handles that situation
perfectly.
But for most of us, that default doesn't make sense.
Fortunately, there's a simple solution
When you select the timezone, there's an option called Floating. That means
the event will always be shown at the time you picked, no matter which
timezone you're in at the time.
So, when I put that 5 p.m. dinner in for Vegas, it will be always be shown
as 5 p.m. whether I look at my calendar ahead of time from London, or while
I'm actually there.
It's a little hidden in the dropdown, and only gets a single bullet at the
bottom of Apple's support document, so I'm guessing it's not just me who
never realized the option was there.

Original Article at:
https://9to5mac.com/2022/12/30/psa-apple-calendar-timezone-confusion-drove-m
e-nuts-but-theres-a-simple-solution/


-- 
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  
mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
caraqu...@caraquinn.com

The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/001d01d91d7d%2487514cb0%2495f3e610%24%40ucla.edu.

Re: iPhone startup and shutdown tones

[Jennie Facer]

I would also love to know why you don’t want to update to 16.2. I had it and 
didn’t experience many problems with. 13 pro max and a 14 pro max.

Thanks,

Jenn
Jenn and Kumi   

> On Dec 31, 2022, at 1:55 PM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 31, 2022, at 1:14 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Joshua,
>> 
>> I am sorry to learn that you are having problems with iOS 16.2 and iPhone 13.
>> 
>> Can you please list a few of these problems as I know of at least 2 local 
>> VoiceOver users who are preparing to buy 13 models and I am certain they 
>> would appreciate any items you could share.
>> 
>> List member Sieghard, as many will recall, just purchased an iPhone 13 Pro 
>> and I do not believe he has listed any OS problems with his phone, yet.
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Joshua Hendrickson
>> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2022 10:17 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: iPhone startup and shutdown tones
>> 
>> AIm not having any problems with my Iphone 13 pro max and version 16.2.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Dec 30, 2022, at 6:05 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
 If I were you and had the sounds, I wouldn't go to 16.2; wait for 16.3. I 
 have a 14 Pro, so will have the tones, but I have heard too much about 
 16.2, and do not intend to update until 16.3 is available. 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf Of Stewart McKay
 Sent: Friday, December 30, 2022 1:51 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: iPhone startup and shutdown tones
 
 funny but i havbe an iphone eight and i have the sounds as well.  i 
 haven't updated to 16.2 yet but if what everyone is saying i will lose 
 them too.  but it is strange that when i updated to 16.1 they were enabled 
 even though they weren't supposed to be for my model On 12/30/2022 1:15 
 PM, Carolyn wrote:
 I think that both Start Up and Shut Down are only on the 14 models.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf Of Dennis Long
 Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2022 8:14 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: iPhone startup and shutdown tones
 
 Are they available on the iPhone 13 pro?  Thanks.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
>>> 
>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
>>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners 
>>> or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>>> 
>>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  
>>> mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
>>> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
>>> 
>>> The archives for this list can be searched at:
>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
>>> ---
>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>>> "VIPhone" group.
>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>>> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>>> To view this discussion on the web visit 
>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/b17df9ba-719f-9acb-5c02-ca30906b1bf6%40att.net.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
>>> 
>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
>>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners 
>>> or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>>> 
>>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  
>>> mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
>>> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
>>> 
>>> The archives for this list can be searched at:
>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
>>> ---
>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>>> "VIPhone" group.
>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>>> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>>> To view this discussion on the web visit 
>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/0c6b01d91cab%249e12d540%24da387fc0%24%40windstream.net.
>> 
>> --
>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
>> 
>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
>> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>> 
>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  
>> mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
>> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
>> 
>> The 

Re: iPhone startup and shutdown tones

[Joshua Hendrickson]

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 31, 2022, at 1:14 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Joshua,
> 
> I am sorry to learn that you are having problems with iOS 16.2 and iPhone 13.
> 
> Can you please list a few of these problems as I know of at least 2 local 
> VoiceOver users who are preparing to buy 13 models and I am certain they 
> would appreciate any items you could share.
> 
> List member Sieghard, as many will recall, just purchased an iPhone 13 Pro 
> and I do not believe he has listed any OS problems with his phone, yet.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
> Hendrickson
> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2022 10:17 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iPhone startup and shutdown tones
> 
> AIm not having any problems with my Iphone 13 pro max and version 16.2.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Dec 30, 2022, at 6:05 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>>> If I were you and had the sounds, I wouldn't go to 16.2; wait for 16.3. I 
>>> have a 14 Pro, so will have the tones, but I have heard too much about 
>>> 16.2, and do not intend to update until 16.3 is available. 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>>> Behalf Of Stewart McKay
>>> Sent: Friday, December 30, 2022 1:51 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: iPhone startup and shutdown tones
>>> 
>>> funny but i havbe an iphone eight and i have the sounds as well.  i haven't 
>>> updated to 16.2 yet but if what everyone is saying i will lose them too.  
>>> but it is strange that when i updated to 16.1 they were enabled even though 
>>> they weren't supposed to be for my model On 12/30/2022 1:15 PM, Carolyn 
>>> wrote:
>>> I think that both Start Up and Shut Down are only on the 14 models.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>>> Behalf Of Dennis Long
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2022 8:14 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: iPhone startup and shutdown tones
>>> 
>>> Are they available on the iPhone 13 pro?  Thanks.
>> 
>> --
>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
>> 
>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
>> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>> 
>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  
>> mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
>> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
>> 
>> The archives for this list can be searched at:
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
>> ---
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "VIPhone" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> To view this discussion on the web visit 
>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/b17df9ba-719f-9acb-5c02-ca30906b1bf6%40att.net.
>> 
>> --
>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
>> 
>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
>> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>> 
>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  
>> mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
>> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
>> 
>> The archives for this list can be searched at:
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
>> ---
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "VIPhone" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> To view this discussion on the web visit 
>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/0c6b01d91cab%249e12d540%24da387fc0%24%40windstream.net.
> 
> --
> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
> 
> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
> 
> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  
> mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
> 
> The archives for this list can be searched at:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
> ---
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "VIPhone" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To view this discussion on 

RE: Air Pods 2nd generation

[Richard]

I opened the page for the Air Pods 2nd generation tutorial. The page was well 
organized and the developer used headings to support user navigation of the 
page. The page worked well for me.

Richard Petty


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alex 
Stone
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2022 4:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Air Pods 2nd generation

For a website that is mostly for blind people, it isn’t as accessable as it 
might be.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 29 Dec 2022, at 20:54, R Van Lant  wrote:
> 
> Looks like the price is a bit higher now, although they often have sales.
> 
> https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mysticaccess.com%2Fproduct%2Faudio-documentation-on-apple-airpods-pro-second-generation%2F&data=05%7C01%7C%7C3d007aa062b44d6cd6bf08dae9deec21%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C638079440912371112%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=7HGkzDG0zQqUUsQ6VJqv2Y4QrPbfaAEIJwE8mssvPEU%3D&reserved=0
> 
> Robin
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alex 
> Stone
> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2022 7:35 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Air Pods 2nd generation
> 
> Any chance of a link?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 29 Dec 2022, at 14:30, R Van Lant  wrote:
>> 
>> Bill,
>> If  you need it, Mystic Access did a 1.5 hour training webinar on the Apple 
>> Airpods recently. I paid $15 for it.  I haven't finished listening to it, 
>> but their tutorials are usually pretty thorough.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> William Outman
>> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2022 7:24 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Air Pods 2nd generation
>> 
>> Got the Air Pods paired. Even found they came with 96% charge. 
>> Now the task will be learning how to use them.  I noticed in addition to 
>> showing up among my bluetooth device, they show up with a seperate button in 
>> settings even before airplane mode. 
>> Bill Outman 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Dec 27, 2022, at 4:31 PM, Delia Avina  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi William,
>>> You need to open the case near the back of the phone to start pairing.
>>> Let me know if you need more help.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPod
>>> 
> On Dec 27, 2022, at 12:13 PM, William Outman  
> wrote:
 
 Just bought Air Pods 2nd generation today. 
 Is there anything about pairing and operation I need to know that isn’t 
 obvious. I am also planning to carry these over to the phone upgrade 
 whenever that happens. 
 Bill 
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 -- 
 The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone 
 list.
 
 If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or 
 if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the 
 owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
 
 Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  
 mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
 caraqu...@caraquinn.com
 
 The archives for this list can be searched at:
 https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Fviphone%40googlegroups.com%2F&data=05%7C01%7C%7C3d007aa062b44d6cd6bf08dae9deec21%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C638079440912371112%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=EGG%2FBNxXo%2FSBNjP3a9c4BSM7zStDtEqNYrHiWp4J0wo%3D&reserved=0
 --- 
 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
 "VIPhone" group.
 To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
 email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
 To view this discussion on the web visit 
 https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fd%2Fmsgid%2Fviphone%2FA8FE4B57-BA52-4718-BCB1-A772C39648E5%2540gmail.com&data=05%7C01%7C%7C3d007aa062b44d6cd6bf08dae9deec21%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C638079440912371112%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=BE3DSVKCDu4UWYNRhl%2Bx%2Fp35G%2FqJy3b9Mk9p5%2FQWwDk%3D&reserved=0.
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
>>> 
>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
>>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners 
>>> or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>>> 
>>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  
>>> mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
>>> caraqu...@

Re: Reading Kindle Books in Braille

[Kelly Ford]

Hi,

That is what I thought but at least for me this doesn’t seem to work correctly. 
I’m using an up-to-date iOS 16 with a Mantis Q40.



On Dec 31, 2022, at 12:27 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:


Make sure the turn pages while panning option in VoiceOver's Braille settings 
is turned on.
Devin Prater
r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com




On Sat, Dec 31, 2022 at 9:47 AM Kelly Ford 
mailto:kellford1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi,


Could someone remind me what you need to do to read a Kindle book in braille 
with VoiceOver? Specifically, how do you move to the next page in a book.

When I use panning keys I can read through the text on a given page but that 
doesn’t seem to cross to the next page. And the next item command doesn’t bring 
up the next page.


--
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  
mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can 
reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com

The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
---
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to 
viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/DFB8AF9B-145F-4730-A190-CBFFEE5CD011%40gmail.com.

--
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: 
mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
caraqu...@caraquinn.com

The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
---
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to 
viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/CAGJxbF7FPsru8KgZeFxhx7Pd1w8OWNMVn5ZB62hXaVm4aM%2BucQ%40mail.gmail.com.

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  
mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
caraqu...@caraquinn.com

The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/229BD12A-F65F-449A-8746-B6CD7E09D471%40theideaplace.net.

RE: iPhone startup and shutdown tones

[M. Taylor]

Hello Joshua,

I am sorry to learn that you are having problems with iOS 16.2 and iPhone 13.

Can you please list a few of these problems as I know of at least 2 local 
VoiceOver users who are preparing to buy 13 models and I am certain they would 
appreciate any items you could share.

List member Sieghard, as many will recall, just purchased an iPhone 13 Pro and 
I do not believe he has listed any OS problems with his phone, yet.

Thank you,

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2022 10:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone startup and shutdown tones

AIm not having any problems with my Iphone 13 pro max and version 16.2.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 30, 2022, at 6:05 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> If I were you and had the sounds, I wouldn't go to 16.2; wait for 16.3. I 
> have a 14 Pro, so will have the tones, but I have heard too much about 16.2, 
> and do not intend to update until 16.3 is available. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Stewart McKay
> Sent: Friday, December 30, 2022 1:51 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iPhone startup and shutdown tones
> 
> funny but i havbe an iphone eight and i have the sounds as well.  i haven't 
> updated to 16.2 yet but if what everyone is saying i will lose them too.  but 
> it is strange that when i updated to 16.1 they were enabled even though they 
> weren't supposed to be for my model On 12/30/2022 1:15 PM, Carolyn wrote:
>> I think that both Start Up and Shut Down are only on the 14 models.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Dennis Long
>> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2022 8:14 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: iPhone startup and shutdown tones
>> 
>> Are they available on the iPhone 13 pro?  Thanks.
> 
> --
> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
> 
> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
> 
> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  
> mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
> 
> The archives for this list can be searched at:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
> ---
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "VIPhone" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To view this discussion on the web visit 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/b17df9ba-719f-9acb-5c02-ca30906b1bf6%40att.net.
> 
> --
> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
> 
> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
> 
> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  
> mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
> 
> The archives for this list can be searched at:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
> ---
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "VIPhone" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To view this discussion on the web visit 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/0c6b01d91cab%249e12d540%24da387fc0%24%40windstream.net.

--
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  
mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
caraqu...@caraquinn.com

The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
---
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/1E9C25FB-812F-4B68-AD47-96592F747C9A%40gmail.com.

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list

Re: Reading Kindle Books in Braille

[Devin Prater]

Make sure the turn pages while panning option in VoiceOver's Braille
settings is turned on.
Devin Prater
r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com




On Sat, Dec 31, 2022 at 9:47 AM Kelly Ford  wrote:

> Hi,
>
>
> Could someone remind me what you need to do to read a Kindle book in
> braille with VoiceOver? Specifically, how do you move to the next page in a
> book.
>
> When I use panning keys I can read through the text on a given page but
> that doesn’t seem to cross to the next page. And the next item command
> doesn’t bring up the next page.
>
>
> --
> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone
> list.
>
> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or
> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the
> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>
> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:
> mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at
> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
>
> The archives for this list can be searched at:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
> ---
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
> "VIPhone" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To view this discussion on the web visit
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/DFB8AF9B-145F-4730-A190-CBFFEE5CD011%40gmail.com
> .
>

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  
mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
caraqu...@caraquinn.com

The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/CAGJxbF7FPsru8KgZeFxhx7Pd1w8OWNMVn5ZB62hXaVm4aM%2BucQ%40mail.gmail.com.

Re: iPhone startup and shutdown tones

[Joshua Hendrickson]

AIm not having any problems with my Iphone 13 pro max and version 16.2.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 30, 2022, at 6:05 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> If I were you and had the sounds, I wouldn't go to 16.2; wait for 16.3. I 
> have a 14 Pro, so will have the tones, but I have heard too much about 16.2, 
> and do not intend to update until 16.3 is available. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Stewart McKay
> Sent: Friday, December 30, 2022 1:51 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iPhone startup and shutdown tones
> 
> funny but i havbe an iphone eight and i have the sounds as well.  i haven't 
> updated to 16.2 yet but if what everyone is saying i will lose them too.  but 
> it is strange that when i updated to 16.1 they were enabled even though they 
> weren't supposed to be for my model On 12/30/2022 1:15 PM, Carolyn wrote:
>> I think that both Start Up and Shut Down are only on the 14 models.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Dennis Long
>> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2022 8:14 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: iPhone startup and shutdown tones
>> 
>> Are they available on the iPhone 13 pro?  Thanks.
> 
> --
> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
> 
> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
> 
> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  
> mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
> 
> The archives for this list can be searched at:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
> ---
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "VIPhone" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To view this discussion on the web visit 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/b17df9ba-719f-9acb-5c02-ca30906b1bf6%40att.net.
> 
> -- 
> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
> 
> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
> 
> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  
> mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
> 
> The archives for this list can be searched at:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
> --- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "VIPhone" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To view this discussion on the web visit 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/0c6b01d91cab%249e12d540%24da387fc0%24%40windstream.net.

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  
mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
caraqu...@caraquinn.com

The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/1E9C25FB-812F-4B68-AD47-96592F747C9A%40gmail.com.

Reading Kindle Books in Braille

[Kelly Ford]

Hi,


Could someone remind me what you need to do to read a Kindle book in braille 
with VoiceOver? Specifically, how do you move to the next page in a book.

When I use panning keys I can read through the text on a given page but that 
doesn’t seem to cross to the next page. And the next item command doesn’t bring 
up the next page.


-- 
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  
mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
caraqu...@caraquinn.com

The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/DFB8AF9B-145F-4730-A190-CBFFEE5CD011%40gmail.com.