Re: moving apps

2023-01-04 Thread Alex Stone 
I’ve also seen this issue.

Sent from my iPhone

On 4 Jan 2023, at 17:23, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:


I think you should report this to Apple Accessibility because I have had this 
happen as well quite a lot and I believe it's simply a bug.
All you can do when it happens is take the items out of the folder and try 
again, it will work eventually.

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Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2023 7:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: moving apps

I mostly understand how to move apps around the home screen, to and from the 
App library, but I do not always get the results I want.

I have a row on my home screen that is empty except for one app. I want to 
place an app to the right of that one lone app on that row. I can’t do it 
consistently.

I sometimes create folders without wanting to do so. VoiceOver announces “Drop 
App X before (or after) app y, and that’s what I want to do, but when I 
double-tap, I’ve created a folder. Then I have to drag an app out of the folder 
to get rid of it.

Can anybody shed any light on what I might be missing in all this?

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Re: Face I D not available?

2023-01-04 Thread Alex Stone 
Sorry, I obviously I obviously didn’t read her original message properly.

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> On 5 Jan 2023, at 05:07, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Traci said it is an iPhone 13 Mini; iOS version was not mentioned, but it 
> shouldn't make that much of a difference.
> I would say if Face Id says it is not available you might want to give Apple 
> Accessibility a call, they can send a request which allows them to see your 
> iPhone screen and I assume they would be able to help you troubleshoot this.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alex 
> Stone
> Sent: Wednesday, January 4, 2023 5:09 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Face I D not available?
> 
> What pho do you have, and which version of iOS are you on?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On 5 Jan 2023, at 00:27, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>> 
>> I am having a terrible time with Face I D. I am trying to reset it, and it 
>> repeatedly says face I D not available. I have restarted the phone a couple 
>> of times with no success. I have also tried to set up Face I D with 
>> Voiceover turned off. That wasn’t successful either.
>> 
>> Any suggestions please?I’m using a iPhone 13 mini.
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> Traci 
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RE: Face I D not available?

2023-01-04 Thread Sieghard Weitzel 
Traci said it is an iPhone 13 Mini; iOS version was not mentioned, but it 
shouldn't make that much of a difference.
I would say if Face Id says it is not available you might want to give Apple 
Accessibility a call, they can send a request which allows them to see your 
iPhone screen and I assume they would be able to help you troubleshoot this.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alex 
Stone
Sent: Wednesday, January 4, 2023 5:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face I D not available?

What pho do you have, and which version of iOS are you on?

Sent from my iPhone

> On 5 Jan 2023, at 00:27, Traci Duncan  wrote:
> 
> I am having a terrible time with Face I D. I am trying to reset it, and it 
> repeatedly says face I D not available. I have restarted the phone a couple 
> of times with no success. I have also tried to set up Face I D with Voiceover 
> turned off. That wasn’t successful either.
> 
> Any suggestions please?I’m using a iPhone 13 mini.
> 
> Thank you,
> Traci 
> 
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RE: moving apps

2023-01-04 Thread R Van Lant 
I agree that it has become increasingly easy to accidentally create a folder, 
even though I am sure I heard VO indicate that the app would be ready to drop 
to the left or right of the app I’m on.  In doing some cleanup this week, I 
found that, if I was really patient and waited for VO to fully finished saying 
the phrase “drop after blah, blah blah” and gave it one more short pause, my 
success rate for getting the app where I wanted it was much higher.

Robin

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, January 4, 2023 10:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: moving apps

I think you should report this to Apple Accessibility because I have had this 
happen as well quite a lot and I believe it's simply a bug.
All you can do when it happens is take the items out of the folder and try 
again, it will work eventually.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
dlmlao...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2023 7:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: moving apps

I mostly understand how to move apps around the home screen, to and from the 
App library, but I do not always get the results I want.

I have a row on my home screen that is empty except for one app. I want to 
place an app to the right of that one lone app on that row. I can’t do it 
consistently.

I sometimes create folders without wanting to do so. VoiceOver announces “Drop 
App X before (or after) app y, and that’s what I want to do, but when I 
double-tap, I’ve created a folder. Then I have to drag an app out of the folder 
to get rid of it.

Can anybody shed any light on what I might be missing in all this?

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With iOS 16.2, continuous reading in emails or webpages is awful.

2023-01-04 Thread Mary Otten 
Ever since upgrading to iOS 16, I have noticed that continuous reading, invoked 
with the two finger swipe down, is really bad. I used to be able to read hugely 
long articles, but now it stops all the time. It seems to be triggered by 
stupid punctuation things like bullets, as if I care. Does anybody else notice 
this serious degradation in the ability to just read an article without all the 
nonsense stop and start. The point of continuous reading is, well, continuous 
reading. I have noticed this on an iPad mini six and my iPhone X r. It’s really 
seriously annoying.


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Re: Face I D not available?

2023-01-04 Thread Alex Stone 
What pho do you have, and which version of iOS are you on?

Sent from my iPhone

> On 5 Jan 2023, at 00:27, Traci Duncan  wrote:
> 
> I am having a terrible time with Face I D. I am trying to reset it, and it 
> repeatedly says face I D not available. I have restarted the phone a couple 
> of times with no success. I have also tried to set up Face I D with Voiceover 
> turned off. That wasn’t successful either.
> 
> Any suggestions please?I’m using a iPhone 13 mini.
> 
> Thank you,
> Traci 
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Face I D not available?

2023-01-04 Thread Traci Duncan 
I am having a terrible time with Face I D. I am trying to reset it, and it 
repeatedly says face I D not available. I have restarted the phone a couple of 
times with no success. I have also tried to set up Face I D with Voiceover 
turned off. That wasn’t successful either.

Any suggestions please? I’m using a iPhone 13 mini.

Thank you,
Traci 

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Re: What it Means when VoiceOver says the word, "Coupon" in the latest versions of iOS

2023-01-04 Thread Ed Worrell 
Hello All,

I actually believe what is happening, is that the image detection/text 
detection is being too verbose at times. It is seeing the layout of text and 
images as a coupon. I have seen this and have asked my sighted wife to  look at 
it for me. Sometimes in apps or even in the iOS operating system there are 
little images, not unlike emojis, that make the OS interface “pretty” for 
sighted users. Sometimes Voiceover thinks it’s smarter than it has to be and it 
announces this as a coupon, and I have found the only way to stop it from 
happening is to turn off the text detection in the Voiceover Recognition 
section of Voiceover settings.

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Re: What it Means when VoiceOver says the word, "Coupon" in the latest versions of iOS

2023-01-04 Thread B. J. Maynard 

hi Mark and others,

For those experiencing this bug and I understand it a little because I have 
a little background but, how could those that experience it report it in a 
comprehensive manner to apple so that it gets fixed?  I suspect this is 
very anoying.


B. J. Maynard
- Original Message - 
From: "M. Taylor" 

To: 
Cc: 
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2023 10:46 AM
Subject: RE: What it Means when VoiceOver says the word, "Coupon" in the 
latest versions of iOS



Steve,

As a former professional programmer, I would suggest that the word "Coupon" 
in this instance, is referring to a Facetime security coupon and / or 
"Token", depending upon the state of the argument being passed through to 
the function.


Again, just a guess.

Mark

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Steve 
Matzura

Sent: Wednesday, January 4, 2023 7:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: What it Means when VoiceOver says the word, "Coupon" in the 
latest versions of iOS


Ha, an interesting take. I've been a programmer for a long, long, very long 
time, but I've never heard of any programming object called a coupon. I 
thinhk that's quite funny! I've heard of lexical tokens, syntax trees, 
parsing algorithms, fuzzy logic, datapoint fragmentation, forking, 
relational pyramids, reciphering, lots of other interesting linguistic 
oddments, but coupons? Sure would like to find out what that's really all 
about.



On 1/4/2023 8:51 AM, M. Taylor wrote:

Hello Everyone,

In a previous thread, someone mentioned that she / he sometimes hears
VoiceOver say the word, "Coupon" when performing various task, via
VoiceOver, in the latest versions of the OS.

It did not occur to me until yesterday but, I too, have encountered
this word being spoken on my 14 with iOS 16.2.

Now keep in mind that in no way am I speaking on behalf of Apple; in
short, this is just my opinion.  Said opinion, being the following:

The word "coupon" has no practical user meaning for anyone using the OS.
This announcement is happening because somewhere in the programming
language, a display handler is mistakenly being announced by VoiceOver.

Now that I think about it, I encountered this announcement very early
on but immediately dismissed it because I could tell that it was
randomly announced during various screen display transitions.

It is just a VoiceOver programming glitch in so far as the developers
inadvertently failed to suppress VoiceOver from announcing this
particular behind-the-scenes function.

So, not to worry, this has happened in the past and will, from
time-to-time happen in the future.

Again, this is just my opinion, nothing more.

Mark


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RE: moving apps

2023-01-04 Thread Sieghard Weitzel 
I think you should report this to Apple Accessibility because I have had this 
happen as well quite a lot and I believe it's simply a bug.
All you can do when it happens is take the items out of the folder and try 
again, it will work eventually.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
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Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2023 7:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: moving apps

I mostly understand how to move apps around the home screen, to and from the 
App library, but I do not always get the results I want.

I have a row on my home screen that is empty except for one app. I want to 
place an app to the right of that one lone app on that row. I can’t do it 
consistently.

I sometimes create folders without wanting to do so. VoiceOver announces “Drop 
App X before (or after) app y, and that’s what I want to do, but when I 
double-tap, I’ve created a folder. Then I have to drag an app out of the folder 
to get rid of it.

Can anybody shed any light on what I might be missing in all this?

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RE: What it Means when VoiceOver says the word, "Coupon" in the latest versions of iOS

2023-01-04 Thread M. Taylor 
Steve,

As a former professional programmer, I would suggest that the word "Coupon" in 
this instance, is referring to a Facetime security coupon and / or "Token", 
depending upon the state of the argument being passed through to the function.

Again, just a guess.

Mark  

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Steve 
Matzura
Sent: Wednesday, January 4, 2023 7:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: What it Means when VoiceOver says the word, "Coupon" in the latest 
versions of iOS

Ha, an interesting take. I've been a programmer for a long, long, very long 
time, but I've never heard of any programming object called a coupon. I thinhk 
that's quite funny! I've heard of lexical tokens, syntax trees, parsing 
algorithms, fuzzy logic, datapoint fragmentation, forking, relational pyramids, 
reciphering, lots of other interesting linguistic oddments, but coupons? Sure 
would like to find out what that's really all about.


On 1/4/2023 8:51 AM, M. Taylor wrote:
> Hello Everyone,
>
> In a previous thread, someone mentioned that she / he sometimes hears 
> VoiceOver say the word, "Coupon" when performing various task, via 
> VoiceOver, in the latest versions of the OS.
>
> It did not occur to me until yesterday but, I too, have encountered 
> this word being spoken on my 14 with iOS 16.2.
>
> Now keep in mind that in no way am I speaking on behalf of Apple; in 
> short, this is just my opinion.  Said opinion, being the following:
>
> The word "coupon" has no practical user meaning for anyone using the OS.
> This announcement is happening because somewhere in the programming 
> language, a display handler is mistakenly being announced by VoiceOver.
>
> Now that I think about it, I encountered this announcement very early 
> on but immediately dismissed it because I could tell that it was 
> randomly announced during various screen display transitions.
>
> It is just a VoiceOver programming glitch in so far as the developers 
> inadvertently failed to suppress VoiceOver from announcing this 
> particular behind-the-scenes function.
>
> So, not to worry, this has happened in the past and will, from 
> time-to-time happen in the future.
>
> Again, this is just my opinion, nothing more.
>
> Mark

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RE: What it Means when VoiceOver says the word, "Coupon" in the latest versions of iOS

2023-01-04 Thread CJ & AA MAY 
Thanks for this explanation.
Alison


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Sent: 04 January 2023 13:52
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: What it Means when VoiceOver says the word, "Coupon" in the latest 
versions of iOS

Hello Everyone, 

In a previous thread, someone mentioned that she / he sometimes hears VoiceOver 
say the word, "Coupon" when performing various task, via VoiceOver, in the 
latest versions of the OS.

It did not occur to me until yesterday but, I too, have encountered this word 
being spoken on my 14 with iOS 16.2.

Now keep in mind that in no way am I speaking on behalf of Apple; in short, 
this is just my opinion.  Said opinion, being the following:

The word "coupon" has no practical user meaning for anyone using the OS.
This announcement is happening because somewhere in the programming language, a 
display handler is mistakenly being announced by VoiceOver.

Now that I think about it, I encountered this announcement very early on but 
immediately dismissed it because I could tell that it was randomly announced 
during various screen display transitions.

It is just a VoiceOver programming glitch in so far as the developers 
inadvertently failed to suppress VoiceOver from announcing this particular 
behind-the-scenes function.

So, not to worry, this has happened in the past and will, from time-to-time 
happen in the future.

Again, this is just my opinion, nothing more.

Mark


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Re: What it Means when VoiceOver says the word, "Coupon" in the latest versions of iOS

2023-01-04 Thread Steve Matzura 
Ha, an interesting take. I've been a programmer for a long, long, very 
long time, but I've never heard of any programming object called a 
coupon. I thinhk that's quite funny! I've heard of lexical tokens, 
syntax trees, parsing algorithms, fuzzy logic, datapoint fragmentation, 
forking, relational pyramids, reciphering, lots of other interesting 
linguistic oddments, but coupons? Sure would like to find out what 
that's really all about.



On 1/4/2023 8:51 AM, M. Taylor wrote:

Hello Everyone,

In a previous thread, someone mentioned that she / he sometimes hears
VoiceOver say the word, "Coupon" when performing various task, via
VoiceOver, in the latest versions of the OS.

It did not occur to me until yesterday but, I too, have encountered this
word being spoken on my 14 with iOS 16.2.

Now keep in mind that in no way am I speaking on behalf of Apple; in short,
this is just my opinion.  Said opinion, being the following:

The word "coupon" has no practical user meaning for anyone using the OS.
This announcement is happening because somewhere in the programming
language, a display handler is mistakenly being announced by VoiceOver.

Now that I think about it, I encountered this announcement very early on but
immediately dismissed it because I could tell that it was randomly announced
during various screen display transitions.

It is just a VoiceOver programming glitch in so far as the developers
inadvertently failed to suppress VoiceOver from announcing this particular
behind-the-scenes function.

So, not to worry, this has happened in the past and will, from time-to-time
happen in the future.

Again, this is just my opinion, nothing more.

Mark


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What it Means when VoiceOver says the word, "Coupon" in the latest versions of iOS

2023-01-04 Thread M. Taylor 
Hello Everyone, 

In a previous thread, someone mentioned that she / he sometimes hears
VoiceOver say the word, "Coupon" when performing various task, via
VoiceOver, in the latest versions of the OS.

It did not occur to me until yesterday but, I too, have encountered this
word being spoken on my 14 with iOS 16.2.

Now keep in mind that in no way am I speaking on behalf of Apple; in short,
this is just my opinion.  Said opinion, being the following:

The word "coupon" has no practical user meaning for anyone using the OS.
This announcement is happening because somewhere in the programming
language, a display handler is mistakenly being announced by VoiceOver.

Now that I think about it, I encountered this announcement very early on but
immediately dismissed it because I could tell that it was randomly announced
during various screen display transitions.

It is just a VoiceOver programming glitch in so far as the developers
inadvertently failed to suppress VoiceOver from announcing this particular
behind-the-scenes function.

So, not to worry, this has happened in the past and will, from time-to-time
happen in the future.

Again, this is just my opinion, nothing more.

Mark


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