RE: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?

[M. Taylor]

Hello Chris,

Yes, that is exactly what it means.  One would have to remove the device from 
the wall plate in order to replace the batteries.

However, this should not be a deterrent as I suspect that one would only need 
to change the batteries once a year, if that often.

Given the level of device detail that Apple Home Kit provides, I would not be 
surprised if it reported device battery level.  Again, I do not know since I 
did not insert any batteries into my unit.

I will admit that, now that I've gotten the unit working with Siri, I find 
myself using Siri rather than the physical buttons to control the thermostat 
(smile).

I will force myself to use the buttons on the device, at least once a week, so 
that I continue to be comfortable doing so.

Mark


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cris Ali
Sent: Friday, January 6, 2023 3:06 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?

Thanks Mark. I did not get the point of having to install batteries before 
attaching to the base. Does that mean you have to take the thermostat off its 
base each time you need to change the battery? Does the app have a battery 
meter to let you know if the battery is weak?
Cheers,

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 6, 2023, at 12:06 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Chris,
> 
> This particular thermostat has a terminal for a grounding wire but I do not 
> know if one is required.  I think not. 
> 
> While not wanting to get off-point, I will  say that I  suspect that many 
> thermostats, in order to be widely compatible, allow for a great many 
> installation options.
> 
> For example, in the setup manual, for this model, it instructs the installer 
> to insert 2 batteries into the unit before attaching it to the bass, that 
> should already be mounted onto the wall.  However, this unit, has a terminal, 
> on the back, for a power cable.  It's not actually called a power cable but I 
> cannot remember the actual name of the cable.   if one has such a cable 
> already built into the house, as does mine, then batteries are not necessary.
> 
> I had a professional installer switch out my old thermostat for the new one.  
> He did it in seconds and did not need to read the installation setup guide.  
> These setup guys are written for the non-professional user, in most cases.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
> Of Cris Ali
> Sent: Friday, January 6, 2023 8:09 AM
> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
> Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?
> 
> Does it require a C wire? Some smart thermostats require C wire to be 
> installed.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 6, 2023, at 2:20 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello James and Everyone,
>> 
>> I purchased the Sensi model st55 Smart Thermostat 2 days ago and had it 
>> installed early this morning.
>> 
>> In a word, it is amazing.  The physical buttons are easy-to-use and allow 
>> for complete use of the thermostat just as was my old unit.  
>> 
>> I did not configure the wireless settings until late this evening because 
>> the buttons work so well.
>> 
>> However, I now have the device setup to work with either Alexa or Siri.  And 
>> of course, one can use the Sensi app which is remarkably VoiceOver 
>> accessible.
>> 
>> Now I will tell you that the Apple Home Kit setup was a thousand times 
>> easier than was Amazon Alexa.  In fact, for the first time, I was truly 
>> disappointed with Alexa because, in my opinion, not only would a blind or 
>> low vision person be hard pressed to configure the unit without sighted 
>> assistance, but the process is unintuitive and convoluted.  In addition, at 
>> the time of this writing, one cannot setup Alexa with the device until one 
>> uses the Sensi app to create an external account, etc.  Ridiculous.
>> 
>> Apple Home Kit, on the other hand,  was fast, simple, and could easily be 
>> configured by a totally blind person as long as the person had the security 
>> code which is included on a sheet of paper located inside the package.  The 
>> best part?  One does not need to install the third-party Sensi app in order 
>> to be up and running in minutes.
>> 
>> I have decided to use Siri to run the thermostat as doing so is intuitive 
>> and works flawlessly from all of my Apple devices including my Apple Watch.
>> 
>> I think the Sensi people must love Apple because, if one did not want to 
>> configure Home Kit, manually, to work with the device, one only has to point 
>> iPhone camera to a QR code located in the packaging which automatically 
>> launches Home Kit and begins the configuration process.  Most impressive, to 
>> say the least.
>> 
>> While I love Alexa, this round definitely goes to Siri.
>> 
>> Thank you all for your contribution to this thread and, like James, I 
>> definitely recommend this $80 unit to anyone who is in the 

RE: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?

[M. Taylor]

Hello Sieghard,

You're a funny man; however, in this instance, the batteries can be used to 
power the device if one does not have the C cable.

Obviously, when using the batteries as the power source, the device would 
remain active regardless of any external circumstance.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Friday, January 6, 2023 10:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?

Hi Mark,

The power lead is the so-called "C Cable" and many older installations with 
mechanical thermostats don't have a 3-wire cable, only a 2-wire cable since 
these old thermostats did not require power.
Also, maybe he should have read the manual because at least for the Honeywell 
thermostats the batteries are there for backup in case there is a power 
failure. Yes, I know that typically a furnace doesn't work if the power is out 
so why should the thermostat, but I guess maybe it's better for these things to 
remain powered on.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Friday, January 6, 2023 9:06 AM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?

Hello Chris,

This particular thermostat has a terminal for a grounding wire but I do not 
know if one is required.  I think not. 

While not wanting to get off-point, I will  say that I  suspect that many 
thermostats, in order to be widely compatible, allow for a great many 
installation options.

For example, in the setup manual, for this model, it instructs the installer to 
insert 2 batteries into the unit before attaching it to the bass, that should 
already be mounted onto the wall.  However, this unit, has a terminal, on the 
back, for a power cable.  It's not actually called a power cable but I cannot 
remember the actual name of the cable.   if one has such a cable already built 
into the house, as does mine, then batteries are not necessary.

I had a professional installer switch out my old thermostat for the new one.  
He did it in seconds and did not need to read the installation setup guide.  
These setup guys are written for the non-professional user, in most cases.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cris 
Ali
Sent: Friday, January 6, 2023 8:09 AM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?

Does it require a C wire? Some smart thermostats require C wire to be installed.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 6, 2023, at 2:20 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello James and Everyone,
> 
> I purchased the Sensi model st55 Smart Thermostat 2 days ago and had it 
> installed early this morning.
> 
> In a word, it is amazing.  The physical buttons are easy-to-use and allow for 
> complete use of the thermostat just as was my old unit.  
> 
> I did not configure the wireless settings until late this evening because the 
> buttons work so well.
> 
> However, I now have the device setup to work with either Alexa or Siri.  And 
> of course, one can use the Sensi app which is remarkably VoiceOver accessible.
> 
> Now I will tell you that the Apple Home Kit setup was a thousand times easier 
> than was Amazon Alexa.  In fact, for the first time, I was truly disappointed 
> with Alexa because, in my opinion, not only would a blind or low vision 
> person be hard pressed to configure the unit without sighted assistance, but 
> the process is unintuitive and convoluted.  In addition, at the time of this 
> writing, one cannot setup Alexa with the device until one uses the Sensi app 
> to create an external account, etc.  Ridiculous.
> 
> Apple Home Kit, on the other hand,  was fast, simple, and could easily be 
> configured by a totally blind person as long as the person had the security 
> code which is included on a sheet of paper located inside the package.  The 
> best part?  One does not need to install the third-party Sensi app in order 
> to be up and running in minutes.
> 
> I have decided to use Siri to run the thermostat as doing so is intuitive and 
> works flawlessly from all of my Apple devices including my Apple Watch.
> 
> I think the Sensi people must love Apple because, if one did not want to 
> configure Home Kit, manually, to work with the device, one only has to point 
> iPhone camera to a QR code located in the packaging which automatically 
> launches Home Kit and begins the configuration process.  Most impressive, to 
> say the least.
> 
> While I love Alexa, this round definitely goes to Siri.
> 
> Thank you all for your contribution to this thread and, like James, I 
> definitely recommend this $80 unit to anyone who is in the market for a new 
> thermostat, WiFi enabled or not.
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> James Bentley
> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 7:26 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subj

Re: moving apps

[Arnold Schmidt]

I will try this method the next time I need to move an app. I have always thought it were as if something was slugish somehow and wasn't quite following the swiping to get to what I want. By no means is it 100 percent acurate, but I have discovered that if I swipe two selections beyond what I want, then swipe back to it, it usually does what I want. I cannot promise this will work for anybody else, maybe not even me next time. Arnold Schmidt Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 3On Jan 4, 2023, at 11:21 PM, R Van Lant  wrote:







I agree that it has become increasingly easy to accidentally create a folder, even though I am sure I heard VO indicate that the app would be ready to drop to the left or right of the app I’m on.  In doing some cleanup this week, I found
 that, if I was really patient and waited for VO to fully finished saying the phrase “drop after blah, blah blah” and gave it one more short pause, my success rate for getting the app where I wanted it was much higher.

 
Robin
 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, January 4, 2023 10:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: moving apps


 
I think you should report this to Apple Accessibility because I have had this happen as well quite a lot and I believe it's simply a bug.
All you can do when it happens is take the items out of the folder and try again, it will work eventually.
 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
On Behalf Of dlmlao...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2023 7:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: moving apps


 
I mostly understand how to move apps around the home screen, to and from the App library, but I do not always get the results I want.

 
I have a row on my home screen that is empty except for one app. I want to place an app to the right of that one lone app on that row. I can’t do it consistently.
 
I sometimes create folders without wanting to do so. VoiceOver announces “Drop App X before (or after) app y, and that’s what I want to do, but when I double-tap, I’ve created a folder. Then I have to drag an app out of the folder to get
 rid of it. 
 
Can anybody shed any light on what I might be missing in all this?
 
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Re: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?

[Cris Ali]

Thanks Mark. I did not get the point of having to install batteries before 
attaching to the base. Does that mean you have to take the thermostat off its 
base each time you need to change the battery? Does the app have a battery 
meter to let you know if the battery is weak?
Cheers,

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 6, 2023, at 12:06 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Chris,
> 
> This particular thermostat has a terminal for a grounding wire but I do not 
> know if one is required.  I think not. 
> 
> While not wanting to get off-point, I will  say that I  suspect that many 
> thermostats, in order to be widely compatible, allow for a great many 
> installation options.
> 
> For example, in the setup manual, for this model, it instructs the installer 
> to insert 2 batteries into the unit before attaching it to the bass, that 
> should already be mounted onto the wall.  However, this unit, has a terminal, 
> on the back, for a power cable.  It's not actually called a power cable but I 
> cannot remember the actual name of the cable.   if one has such a cable 
> already built into the house, as does mine, then batteries are not necessary.
> 
> I had a professional installer switch out my old thermostat for the new one.  
> He did it in seconds and did not need to read the installation setup guide.  
> These setup guys are written for the non-professional user, in most cases.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cris 
> Ali
> Sent: Friday, January 6, 2023 8:09 AM
> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
> Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?
> 
> Does it require a C wire? Some smart thermostats require C wire to be 
> installed.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 6, 2023, at 2:20 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello James and Everyone,
>> 
>> I purchased the Sensi model st55 Smart Thermostat 2 days ago and had it 
>> installed early this morning.
>> 
>> In a word, it is amazing.  The physical buttons are easy-to-use and allow 
>> for complete use of the thermostat just as was my old unit.  
>> 
>> I did not configure the wireless settings until late this evening because 
>> the buttons work so well.
>> 
>> However, I now have the device setup to work with either Alexa or Siri.  And 
>> of course, one can use the Sensi app which is remarkably VoiceOver 
>> accessible.
>> 
>> Now I will tell you that the Apple Home Kit setup was a thousand times 
>> easier than was Amazon Alexa.  In fact, for the first time, I was truly 
>> disappointed with Alexa because, in my opinion, not only would a blind or 
>> low vision person be hard pressed to configure the unit without sighted 
>> assistance, but the process is unintuitive and convoluted.  In addition, at 
>> the time of this writing, one cannot setup Alexa with the device until one 
>> uses the Sensi app to create an external account, etc.  Ridiculous.
>> 
>> Apple Home Kit, on the other hand,  was fast, simple, and could easily be 
>> configured by a totally blind person as long as the person had the security 
>> code which is included on a sheet of paper located inside the package.  The 
>> best part?  One does not need to install the third-party Sensi app in order 
>> to be up and running in minutes.
>> 
>> I have decided to use Siri to run the thermostat as doing so is intuitive 
>> and works flawlessly from all of my Apple devices including my Apple Watch.
>> 
>> I think the Sensi people must love Apple because, if one did not want to 
>> configure Home Kit, manually, to work with the device, one only has to point 
>> iPhone camera to a QR code located in the packaging which automatically 
>> launches Home Kit and begins the configuration process.  Most impressive, to 
>> say the least.
>> 
>> While I love Alexa, this round definitely goes to Siri.
>> 
>> Thank you all for your contribution to this thread and, like James, I 
>> definitely recommend this $80 unit to anyone who is in the market for a new 
>> thermostat, WiFi enabled or not.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> James Bentley
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 7:26 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?
>> 
>> I’ve had a Sensi model st55 for 2 years now.Be sure you get this cheaper 
>> $80.00, model available from Amazon.  It has buttons that control selecting 
>> heat or air conditioning and changing the temperature and more.  It also 
>> works with Alexa and there is an app for I Phone and I think, Android.
>> Note, the more expensive model is flat screen only.  No buttons.  The 
>> buttons are important for a blind person to use the thermostat in case your 
>> internet goes down.
>> 
>> The $80.00, thermostat with buttons is model ST55.  Here is an Amazon link.
>> 
>> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01NB1OB0I/ref=redir_mobile_desktop?_encodin
>> g=UTF8&aaxitk=16b53869f5473df1c2e96eaa091b5ae3&hsa_cr_id=1865675060401
>> &pd_rd

Re: What it Means when VoiceOver says the word, "Coupon" in the latest versions of iOS

[Steve Matzura]

Oh, I agree wholeheartedly. It's just interesting some of the vocabulary 
that's repurposed for use in the computer industry, that's all.



On 1/4/2023 11:46 AM, M. Taylor wrote:

Steve,

As a former professional programmer, I would suggest that the word "Coupon" in this 
instance, is referring to a Facetime security coupon and / or "Token", depending upon the 
state of the argument being passed through to the function.

Again, just a guess.

Mark

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Steve 
Matzura
Sent: Wednesday, January 4, 2023 7:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: What it Means when VoiceOver says the word, "Coupon" in the latest 
versions of iOS

Ha, an interesting take. I've been a programmer for a long, long, very long 
time, but I've never heard of any programming object called a coupon. I thinhk 
that's quite funny! I've heard of lexical tokens, syntax trees, parsing 
algorithms, fuzzy logic, datapoint fragmentation, forking, relational pyramids, 
reciphering, lots of other interesting linguistic oddments, but coupons? Sure 
would like to find out what that's really all about.


On 1/4/2023 8:51 AM, M. Taylor wrote:

Hello Everyone,

In a previous thread, someone mentioned that she / he sometimes hears
VoiceOver say the word, "Coupon" when performing various task, via
VoiceOver, in the latest versions of the OS.

It did not occur to me until yesterday but, I too, have encountered
this word being spoken on my 14 with iOS 16.2.

Now keep in mind that in no way am I speaking on behalf of Apple; in
short, this is just my opinion.  Said opinion, being the following:

The word "coupon" has no practical user meaning for anyone using the OS.
This announcement is happening because somewhere in the programming
language, a display handler is mistakenly being announced by VoiceOver.

Now that I think about it, I encountered this announcement very early
on but immediately dismissed it because I could tell that it was
randomly announced during various screen display transitions.

It is just a VoiceOver programming glitch in so far as the developers
inadvertently failed to suppress VoiceOver from announcing this
particular behind-the-scenes function.

So, not to worry, this has happened in the past and will, from
time-to-time happen in the future.

Again, this is just my opinion, nothing more.

Mark




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RE: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Mark,

The power lead is the so-called "C Cable" and many older installations with 
mechanical thermostats don't have a 3-wire cable, only a 2-wire cable since 
these old thermostats did not require power.
Also, maybe he should have read the manual because at least for the Honeywell 
thermostats the batteries are there for backup in case there is a power 
failure. Yes, I know that typically a furnace doesn't work if the power is out 
so why should the thermostat, but I guess maybe it's better for these things to 
remain powered on.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Friday, January 6, 2023 9:06 AM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?

Hello Chris,

This particular thermostat has a terminal for a grounding wire but I do not 
know if one is required.  I think not. 

While not wanting to get off-point, I will  say that I  suspect that many 
thermostats, in order to be widely compatible, allow for a great many 
installation options.

For example, in the setup manual, for this model, it instructs the installer to 
insert 2 batteries into the unit before attaching it to the bass, that should 
already be mounted onto the wall.  However, this unit, has a terminal, on the 
back, for a power cable.  It's not actually called a power cable but I cannot 
remember the actual name of the cable.   if one has such a cable already built 
into the house, as does mine, then batteries are not necessary.

I had a professional installer switch out my old thermostat for the new one.  
He did it in seconds and did not need to read the installation setup guide.  
These setup guys are written for the non-professional user, in most cases.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cris 
Ali
Sent: Friday, January 6, 2023 8:09 AM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?

Does it require a C wire? Some smart thermostats require C wire to be installed.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 6, 2023, at 2:20 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello James and Everyone,
> 
> I purchased the Sensi model st55 Smart Thermostat 2 days ago and had it 
> installed early this morning.
> 
> In a word, it is amazing.  The physical buttons are easy-to-use and allow for 
> complete use of the thermostat just as was my old unit.  
> 
> I did not configure the wireless settings until late this evening because the 
> buttons work so well.
> 
> However, I now have the device setup to work with either Alexa or Siri.  And 
> of course, one can use the Sensi app which is remarkably VoiceOver accessible.
> 
> Now I will tell you that the Apple Home Kit setup was a thousand times easier 
> than was Amazon Alexa.  In fact, for the first time, I was truly disappointed 
> with Alexa because, in my opinion, not only would a blind or low vision 
> person be hard pressed to configure the unit without sighted assistance, but 
> the process is unintuitive and convoluted.  In addition, at the time of this 
> writing, one cannot setup Alexa with the device until one uses the Sensi app 
> to create an external account, etc.  Ridiculous.
> 
> Apple Home Kit, on the other hand,  was fast, simple, and could easily be 
> configured by a totally blind person as long as the person had the security 
> code which is included on a sheet of paper located inside the package.  The 
> best part?  One does not need to install the third-party Sensi app in order 
> to be up and running in minutes.
> 
> I have decided to use Siri to run the thermostat as doing so is intuitive and 
> works flawlessly from all of my Apple devices including my Apple Watch.
> 
> I think the Sensi people must love Apple because, if one did not want to 
> configure Home Kit, manually, to work with the device, one only has to point 
> iPhone camera to a QR code located in the packaging which automatically 
> launches Home Kit and begins the configuration process.  Most impressive, to 
> say the least.
> 
> While I love Alexa, this round definitely goes to Siri.
> 
> Thank you all for your contribution to this thread and, like James, I 
> definitely recommend this $80 unit to anyone who is in the market for a new 
> thermostat, WiFi enabled or not.
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> James Bentley
> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 7:26 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?
> 
> I’ve had a Sensi model st55 for 2 years now.Be sure you get this cheaper 
> $80.00, model available from Amazon.  It has buttons that control selecting 
> heat or air conditioning and changing the temperature and more.  It also 
> works with Alexa and there is an app for I Phone and I think, Android.
> Note, the more expensive model is flat screen only.  No buttons.  The buttons 
> are important for a blind person to use the thermostat i

RE: With iOS 16.2, continuous reading in emails or webpages is awful.

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hey Ed, maybe you should try it yourself, if you need help let me know and I'll 
come down there, bonk you on the head and see if things are better after you 
wake up again 🤣

🤣
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mr. Ed
Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2023 4:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: With iOS 16.2, continuous reading in emails or webpages is awful.

May I suggest doing a hard reboot if you have not done that in a while.
Not a shut down but a hard reboot.
Mr. Ed

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Kelly 
Ford
Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2023 10:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: With iOS 16.2, continuous reading in emails or webpages is awful.

For me this issue is a constant when I use Eloquence.  For example, I can read 
only about three pages in a Kindle book before speech stops. Pretty much any 
news article I read or other content of more then a few paragraphs has the same 
happen.

If I don't use Eloquence, the problem of speech stopping goes away.

Kelly

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> on behalf of 
Richard Turner mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net>>
Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2023 9:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: With iOS 16.2, continuous reading in emails or webpages is awful.

I have not noticed a change. There have been times for many versions when 
something in an article or web page stops VO.
Could you maybe give one or two links that demonstrate this behavior.
It has not happened often enough for me to be bothered by it, but if it is 
happening a lot; I would also send example links to Apple of course.



Richard, USA.
“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin
My web site: https://www.turner42.com


On Jan 5, 2023, at 4:02 AM, Devin Prater 
mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I have noticed this with my iPhone SE 2020

Devin Prater

On Jan 4, 2023, at 8:39 PM, Mary Otten 
mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Ever since upgrading to iOS 16, I have noticed that continuous reading, 
invoked with the two finger swipe down, is really bad. I used to be able to 
read hugely long articles, but now it stops all the time. It seems to be 
triggered by stupid punctuation things like bullets, as if I care. Does anybody 
else notice this serious degradation in the ability to just read an article 
without all the nonsense stop and start. The point of continuous reading is, 
well, continuous reading. I have noticed this on an iPad mini six and my iPhone 
X r. It’s really seriously annoying.


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Re: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?

[Andy Baracco]

The purpose of the C wire is to provide power.  Some units will allow for 
the use of batteries to provide this power. it appears that this is the case 
with this particular unit.


Andy

- Original Message - 
From: "M. Taylor" 

To: 
Cc: 
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2023 9:06 AM
Subject: RE: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?


Hello Chris,

This particular thermostat has a terminal for a grounding wire but I do not 
know if one is required.  I think not.


While not wanting to get off-point, I will  say that I  suspect that many 
thermostats, in order to be widely compatible, allow for a great many 
installation options.


For example, in the setup manual, for this model, it instructs the installer 
to insert 2 batteries into the unit before attaching it to the bass, that 
should already be mounted onto the wall.  However, this unit, has a 
terminal, on the back, for a power cable.  It's not actually called a power 
cable but I cannot remember the actual name of the cable.   if one has such 
a cable already built into the house, as does mine, then batteries are not 
necessary.


I had a professional installer switch out my old thermostat for the new one. 
He did it in seconds and did not need to read the installation setup guide. 
These setup guys are written for the non-professional user, in most cases.


Mark

-Original Message-
From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Cris Ali

Sent: Friday, January 6, 2023 8:09 AM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?

Does it require a C wire? Some smart thermostats require C wire to be 
installed.


Sent from my iPhone


On Jan 6, 2023, at 2:20 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:

Hello James and Everyone,

I purchased the Sensi model st55 Smart Thermostat 2 days ago and had it 
installed early this morning.


In a word, it is amazing.  The physical buttons are easy-to-use and allow 
for complete use of the thermostat just as was my old unit.


I did not configure the wireless settings until late this evening because 
the buttons work so well.


However, I now have the device setup to work with either Alexa or Siri. 
And of course, one can use the Sensi app which is remarkably VoiceOver 
accessible.


Now I will tell you that the Apple Home Kit setup was a thousand times 
easier than was Amazon Alexa.  In fact, for the first time, I was truly 
disappointed with Alexa because, in my opinion, not only would a blind or 
low vision person be hard pressed to configure the unit without sighted 
assistance, but the process is unintuitive and convoluted.  In addition, 
at the time of this writing, one cannot setup Alexa with the device until 
one uses the Sensi app to create an external account, etc.  Ridiculous.


Apple Home Kit, on the other hand,  was fast, simple, and could easily be 
configured by a totally blind person as long as the person had the 
security code which is included on a sheet of paper located inside the 
package.  The best part?  One does not need to install the third-party 
Sensi app in order to be up and running in minutes.


I have decided to use Siri to run the thermostat as doing so is intuitive 
and works flawlessly from all of my Apple devices including my Apple 
Watch.


I think the Sensi people must love Apple because, if one did not want to 
configure Home Kit, manually, to work with the device, one only has to 
point iPhone camera to a QR code located in the packaging which 
automatically launches Home Kit and begins the configuration process. 
Most impressive, to say the least.


While I love Alexa, this round definitely goes to Siri.

Thank you all for your contribution to this thread and, like James, I 
definitely recommend this $80 unit to anyone who is in the market for a 
new thermostat, WiFi enabled or not.


Mark


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
James Bentley
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 7:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?

I’ve had a Sensi model st55 for 2 years now.Be sure you get this cheaper 
$80.00, model available from Amazon.  It has buttons that control 
selecting heat or air conditioning and changing the temperature and more. 
It also works with Alexa and there is an app for I Phone and I think, 
Android.
Note, the more expensive model is flat screen only.  No buttons.  The 
buttons are important for a blind person to use the thermostat in case 
your internet goes down.


The $80.00, thermostat with buttons is model ST55.  Here is an Amazon 
link.


https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01NB1OB0I/ref=redir_mobile_desktop?_encodin
g=UTF8&aaxitk=16b53869f5473df1c2e96eaa091b5ae3&hsa_cr_id=1865675060401
&pd_rd_plhdr=t&pd_rd_r=a4851b0d-8d87-4199-8c2b-32c4437daff2&pd_rd_w=8k
n92&pd_rd_wg=ViTHK&ref_=sbx_be_s_sparkle_mcd_asin_0_bkgd


HTH,

James B

From: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
 On Behalf Of Wayne Scott
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 3:48 PM
To

RE: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?

[M. Taylor]

Hello Chris,

This particular thermostat has a terminal for a grounding wire but I do not 
know if one is required.  I think not. 

While not wanting to get off-point, I will  say that I  suspect that many 
thermostats, in order to be widely compatible, allow for a great many 
installation options.

For example, in the setup manual, for this model, it instructs the installer to 
insert 2 batteries into the unit before attaching it to the bass, that should 
already be mounted onto the wall.  However, this unit, has a terminal, on the 
back, for a power cable.  It's not actually called a power cable but I cannot 
remember the actual name of the cable.   if one has such a cable already built 
into the house, as does mine, then batteries are not necessary.

I had a professional installer switch out my old thermostat for the new one.  
He did it in seconds and did not need to read the installation setup guide.  
These setup guys are written for the non-professional user, in most cases.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cris 
Ali
Sent: Friday, January 6, 2023 8:09 AM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?

Does it require a C wire? Some smart thermostats require C wire to be installed.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 6, 2023, at 2:20 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello James and Everyone,
> 
> I purchased the Sensi model st55 Smart Thermostat 2 days ago and had it 
> installed early this morning.
> 
> In a word, it is amazing.  The physical buttons are easy-to-use and allow for 
> complete use of the thermostat just as was my old unit.  
> 
> I did not configure the wireless settings until late this evening because the 
> buttons work so well.
> 
> However, I now have the device setup to work with either Alexa or Siri.  And 
> of course, one can use the Sensi app which is remarkably VoiceOver accessible.
> 
> Now I will tell you that the Apple Home Kit setup was a thousand times easier 
> than was Amazon Alexa.  In fact, for the first time, I was truly disappointed 
> with Alexa because, in my opinion, not only would a blind or low vision 
> person be hard pressed to configure the unit without sighted assistance, but 
> the process is unintuitive and convoluted.  In addition, at the time of this 
> writing, one cannot setup Alexa with the device until one uses the Sensi app 
> to create an external account, etc.  Ridiculous.
> 
> Apple Home Kit, on the other hand,  was fast, simple, and could easily be 
> configured by a totally blind person as long as the person had the security 
> code which is included on a sheet of paper located inside the package.  The 
> best part?  One does not need to install the third-party Sensi app in order 
> to be up and running in minutes.
> 
> I have decided to use Siri to run the thermostat as doing so is intuitive and 
> works flawlessly from all of my Apple devices including my Apple Watch.
> 
> I think the Sensi people must love Apple because, if one did not want to 
> configure Home Kit, manually, to work with the device, one only has to point 
> iPhone camera to a QR code located in the packaging which automatically 
> launches Home Kit and begins the configuration process.  Most impressive, to 
> say the least.
> 
> While I love Alexa, this round definitely goes to Siri.
> 
> Thank you all for your contribution to this thread and, like James, I 
> definitely recommend this $80 unit to anyone who is in the market for a new 
> thermostat, WiFi enabled or not.
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> James Bentley
> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 7:26 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?
> 
> I’ve had a Sensi model st55 for 2 years now.Be sure you get this cheaper 
> $80.00, model available from Amazon.  It has buttons that control selecting 
> heat or air conditioning and changing the temperature and more.  It also 
> works with Alexa and there is an app for I Phone and I think, Android.
> Note, the more expensive model is flat screen only.  No buttons.  The buttons 
> are important for a blind person to use the thermostat in case your internet 
> goes down.
> 
> The $80.00, thermostat with buttons is model ST55.  Here is an Amazon link.
> 
> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01NB1OB0I/ref=redir_mobile_desktop?_encodin
> g=UTF8&aaxitk=16b53869f5473df1c2e96eaa091b5ae3&hsa_cr_id=1865675060401
> &pd_rd_plhdr=t&pd_rd_r=a4851b0d-8d87-4199-8c2b-32c4437daff2&pd_rd_w=8k
> n92&pd_rd_wg=ViTHK&ref_=sbx_be_s_sparkle_mcd_asin_0_bkgd
> 
> 
> HTH,
> 
> James B
> 
> From: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com 
>  On Behalf Of Wayne Scott
> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 3:48 PM
> To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?
> 
> I highly recommendthe Sensi thermostat. It works with both Alexa and iPhone.  
> Wayne Scott
> 
> 
> On De

Re: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?

[Cris Ali]

Does it require a C wire? Some smart thermostats require C wire to be installed.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 6, 2023, at 2:20 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello James and Everyone,
> 
> I purchased the Sensi model st55 Smart Thermostat 2 days ago and had it 
> installed early this morning.
> 
> In a word, it is amazing.  The physical buttons are easy-to-use and allow for 
> complete use of the thermostat just as was my old unit.  
> 
> I did not configure the wireless settings until late this evening because the 
> buttons work so well.
> 
> However, I now have the device setup to work with either Alexa or Siri.  And 
> of course, one can use the Sensi app which is remarkably VoiceOver accessible.
> 
> Now I will tell you that the Apple Home Kit setup was a thousand times easier 
> than was Amazon Alexa.  In fact, for the first time, I was truly disappointed 
> with Alexa because, in my opinion, not only would a blind or low vision 
> person be hard pressed to configure the unit without sighted assistance, but 
> the process is unintuitive and convoluted.  In addition, at the time of this 
> writing, one cannot setup Alexa with the device until one uses the Sensi app 
> to create an external account, etc.  Ridiculous.
> 
> Apple Home Kit, on the other hand,  was fast, simple, and could easily be 
> configured by a totally blind person as long as the person had the security 
> code which is included on a sheet of paper located inside the package.  The 
> best part?  One does not need to install the third-party Sensi app in order 
> to be up and running in minutes.
> 
> I have decided to use Siri to run the thermostat as doing so is intuitive and 
> works flawlessly from all of my Apple devices including my Apple Watch.
> 
> I think the Sensi people must love Apple because, if one did not want to 
> configure Home Kit, manually, to work with the device, one only has to point 
> iPhone camera to a QR code located in the packaging which automatically 
> launches Home Kit and begins the configuration process.  Most impressive, to 
> say the least.
> 
> While I love Alexa, this round definitely goes to Siri.
> 
> Thank you all for your contribution to this thread and, like James, I 
> definitely recommend this $80 unit to anyone who is in the market for a new 
> thermostat, WiFi enabled or not.
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of James 
> Bentley
> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 7:26 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?
> 
> I’ve had a Sensi model st55 for 2 years now.Be sure you get this cheaper 
> $80.00, model available from Amazon.  It has buttons that control selecting 
> heat or air conditioning and changing the temperature and more.  It also 
> works with Alexa and there is an app for I Phone and I think, Android.
> Note, the more expensive model is flat screen only.  No buttons.  The buttons 
> are important for a blind person to use the thermostat in case your internet 
> goes down.
> 
> The $80.00, thermostat with buttons is model ST55.  Here is an Amazon link.
> 
> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01NB1OB0I/ref=redir_mobile_desktop?_encoding=UTF8&aaxitk=16b53869f5473df1c2e96eaa091b5ae3&hsa_cr_id=1865675060401&pd_rd_plhdr=t&pd_rd_r=a4851b0d-8d87-4199-8c2b-32c4437daff2&pd_rd_w=8kn92&pd_rd_wg=ViTHK&ref_=sbx_be_s_sparkle_mcd_asin_0_bkgd
> 
> 
> HTH,
> 
> James B  
> 
> From: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Wayne Scott
> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 3:48 PM
> To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?
> 
> I highly recommendthe Sensi thermostat. It works with both Alexa and iPhone.  
> Wayne Scott  
> 
> 
> On Dec 27, 2022, at 2:23 PM, Katrina Anderson 
>  wrote:
> My Honeywell programmable thermostat has buttons around the visual display.  
> I am able to do some basic things without the Internet, app or Alexa, but 
> since I am totally blind, I have to rely on good notes (not enough space for 
> braille labels).  I am very pleased with this thermostat, and what is 
> especially cool is that I had nothing to do with selecting it.  The 
> thermostat was selected/installed by the company/workers who installed a new 
> furnace and AC 7.5 years ago.  In case it would prove helpful, details about 
> my thermostat follow:
> Honeywell Thermostat Model and/or Serial #:  Focus Pro TH6320WF
> Above based on the Model 6000
> 
> Katrina
> -Original Message-
> From: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 2:58 PM
> To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?
> 
> Honeywell T9 or T10 would probably be my choice, we have a Honeywell T5 which 
> has long since been discontinued, but it works well although it is a touch 
> screen thermostat so if for some reason y

Hi Becky

[Michael Irons]

Hi Becky, this is Mike from Oklahoma. I also have an iPhone SE 20. So far 
everything seems to be working OK. I would recommend that you either call Apple 
Accessibility or if it is possible you may want to go to the Apple store and 
see if they will help you with your phone. Sounds like something might have 
gone defective in your phone.
I hope you were able to get the help you need help things will be fixed for you 
soon
Take care,
Michael 

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