RE: Apple Quietly Launches a Selection of Audiobooks Voiced by an AI Robot, Mac Daily News

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Alexa does not come even close to these voices and the quality of the narration.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Devin 
Prater
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2023 10:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Quietly Launches a Selection of Audiobooks Voiced by an AI 
Robot, Mac Daily News

Yep. Have Amazon Alexa read you a book. Emotion emulation is… at a good start.
Devin Prater
r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com

Https://devinprater.micro.blog


On Jan 18, 2023, at 6:50 PM,  
 wrote:

Well, all I can say is that, in all certainty, I flatly believe that such 
digital voices are quite good for some books, not for all. However, I also 
believe that is fair to say that AI is just going to get better at this point. 
Inflection and intonation based on particular emotions shouldn't be too 
difficult to emulate in the future. In all likelihood, this is already a 
factual phenomenon in AI labs.

Best,
Leo Bado

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2023 5:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple Quietly Launches a Selection of Audiobooks Voiced by an AI 
Robot, Mac Daily News

So I must admit that is quite amazing and I wonder exactly what is involved 
when they say "This is an Apple Books audiobook narrated by a digital voice 
based on a human narrator" I guess Siri is or at least was based on this 
ladie's voice, forgot her name when Siri originally came out, but it certainly 
did not sound this good and neither do the Siri voices sound this good now. I 
wonder if such voices will be available as Voiceover voices at some point.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
literophi...@myself.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2023 5:01 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple Quietly Launches a Selection of Audiobooks Voiced by an AI 
Robot, Mac Daily News

Click on the following two links to listen to an audio sample:
Book 1:
https://books.apple.com/us/audiobook/id1640359031
book 2:
https://books.apple.com/us/audiobook/id1636546592

Best,
Leo Bado

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Amy Ruell
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2023 3:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Quietly Launches a Selection of Audiobooks Voiced by an AI 
Robot, Mac Daily News

Where can I find a sample of the AI Apple books?

Sent from my iPhone


On Jan 18, 2023, at 12:24 AM, Ketan Kothari  wrote:

Hi all,

Although I have yet not tried the AI narrated book could anyone please
explain difference between a electronic voice such as vocallizer or
eloquence synthesizer voice and AI narrated book?  Thank you.

Ketan Kothari from Mumbai India


On 14/01/2023, Alan Lemly  wrote:
While I certainly want any AI rendered audiobooks to be of the
highest quality, this feels like the next phase of cost reduction by
eliminating human voice actors. I can't ever imagine an AI narrated
book to be of the same quality as a human narrated one and hope we'll
continue to have a good supply of human narrated audio for many years to come.

Alan Lemly

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M.
Taylor
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2023 8:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Apple Quietly Launches a Selection of Audiobooks Voiced by
an AI Robot, Mac Daily News

Hello Everyone,

I was Fascinated by this article so quickly went to Apple Books and
explored the selection.

I must say, I am amazed at the quality of the AI Rendering of the text.

While there are several free AI voiced audio books from which to
choose, I purchased a title called "WildWood" by Elinor Florence.

I will be posting a second article on this in a little while.

Enjoy,

Mark

Apple quietly launches a selection of audiobooks voiced by an AI
robot MacDailyNews - Friday, January 6, 2023 at 2:36 PM Apple quietly
launches a selection of audiobooks voiced by an AI robot Apple has
quietly launched a catalog of books narrated by an AI robot using
artificial intelligence and voice synthesis technologies it developed.
By Leyland Cecco, for The Guardian:

The popularity of the audiobook market has exploded in recent years,
with technology companies scrambling to gain a foothold. Sales last
year jumped 25%, bringing in more than $1.5bn. Industry insiders
believe the global market could be worth more than $35bn by 2030.
On the company's Books app, searching for "AI narration" reveals the
catalogue of works included in the scheme, which are described as
being "narrated by digital voice based on a human narrator".

Apple's development of AI to narrate books could represent a
significant shift in how major technology companies see the future of 
audiobooks.
Publishers, authors and literary agents who spoke to the Guardian
said the strategy, if successful, could have significant implications
for the market.

MacDailyNews Take: At first listen, it doesn't sound awful. A preview
can 

RE: Apple Quietly Launches a Selection of Audiobooks Voiced by an AI Robot, Mac Daily News

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Have you listened to these samples? If I didn't know these were digital/AI 
generated voices I would not have guessed it.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
literophi...@myself.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2023 4:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple Quietly Launches a Selection of Audiobooks Voiced by an AI 
Robot, Mac Daily News

Well, all I can say is that, in all certainty, I flatly believe that such 
digital voices are quite good for some books, not for all. However, I also 
believe that is fair to say that AI is just going to get better at this point. 
Inflection and intonation based on particular emotions shouldn't be too 
difficult to emulate in the future. In all likelihood, this is already a 
factual phenomenon in AI labs.

Best,
 Leo Bado

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2023 5:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple Quietly Launches a Selection of Audiobooks Voiced by an AI 
Robot, Mac Daily News

So I must admit that is quite amazing and I wonder exactly what is involved 
when they say "This is an Apple Books audiobook narrated by a digital voice 
based on a human narrator" I guess Siri is or at least was based on this 
ladie's voice, forgot her name when Siri originally came out, but it certainly 
did not sound this good and neither do the Siri voices sound this good now. I 
wonder if such voices will be available as Voiceover voices at some point.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
literophi...@myself.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2023 5:01 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple Quietly Launches a Selection of Audiobooks Voiced by an AI 
Robot, Mac Daily News

Click on the following two links to listen to an audio sample:
Book 1:
https://books.apple.com/us/audiobook/id1640359031
book 2:
https://books.apple.com/us/audiobook/id1636546592

Best,
 Leo Bado

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Amy Ruell
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2023 3:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Quietly Launches a Selection of Audiobooks Voiced by an AI 
Robot, Mac Daily News

Where can I find a sample of the AI Apple books?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 18, 2023, at 12:24 AM, Ketan Kothari  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Although I have yet not tried the AI narrated book could anyone please 
> explain difference between a electronic voice such as vocallizer or 
> eloquence synthesizer voice and AI narrated book?  Thank you.
> 
> Ketan Kothari from Mumbai India
> 
>> On 14/01/2023, Alan Lemly  wrote:
>> While I certainly want any AI rendered audiobooks to be of the 
>> highest quality, this feels like the next phase of cost reduction by 
>> eliminating human voice actors. I can't ever imagine an AI narrated 
>> book to be of the same quality as a human narrated one and hope we'll 
>> continue to have a good supply of human narrated audio for many years to 
>> come.
>> 
>> Alan Lemly
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M.
>> Taylor
>> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2023 8:30 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Apple Quietly Launches a Selection of Audiobooks Voiced by 
>> an AI Robot, Mac Daily News
>> 
>> Hello Everyone,
>> 
>> I was Fascinated by this article so quickly went to Apple Books and 
>> explored the selection.
>> 
>> I must say, I am amazed at the quality of the AI Rendering of the text.
>> 
>> While there are several free AI voiced audio books from which to 
>> choose, I purchased a title called "WildWood" by Elinor Florence.
>> 
>> I will be posting a second article on this in a little while.
>> 
>> Enjoy,
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> Apple quietly launches a selection of audiobooks voiced by an AI 
>> robot MacDailyNews - Friday, January 6, 2023 at 2:36 PM Apple quietly 
>> launches a selection of audiobooks voiced by an AI robot Apple has 
>> quietly launched a catalog of books narrated by an AI robot using 
>> artificial intelligence and voice synthesis technologies it developed.
>> By Leyland Cecco, for The Guardian:
>> 
>> The popularity of the audiobook market has exploded in recent years, 
>> with technology companies scrambling to gain a foothold. Sales last 
>> year jumped 25%, bringing in more than $1.5bn. Industry insiders 
>> believe the global market could be worth more than $35bn by 2030.
>> On the company's Books app, searching for "AI narration" reveals the 
>> catalogue of works included in the scheme, which are described as 
>> being "narrated by digital voice based on a human narrator".
>> 
>> Apple's development of AI to narrate books could represent a 
>> significant shift in how major technology companies see the future of 
>> audiobooks.
>> Publishers, authors and literary agents who spoke to the Guardian 
>> said the strategy, if successful, could have significant implications 

RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Many thing on Amazon do and I am quite sure that there are a lot of products 
which are sold under different names which are all made in the same Chinese 
factory and all they do is put a different nmae on it.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
paekstr...@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2023 4:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

Thanks.  I was looking at the Peryton ones that Mark provided a link to, 
although after looking at several on Amazon, they seem to start to sound pretty 
much alike.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2023 5:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

I have two different brands, so I'm assuming we're talking about one of them. 
The answer is the same for both brands. The band is about as wide as my palm. 
It's a little wider around the ears and a bit narrower as it goes around the 
front and back of the head. It doesn't slide around much for me, but sometimes 
I'll adjust the front to reposition the controls, which are on your forehead, 
and that'll cause the band to slip over my eyes a bit. This doesn't happen if I 
don't adjust the band though.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
Chaltain at Outlook, USA

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
paekstr...@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2023 3:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

Hi Mark,

I am considering getting this and have a couple of questions.  Does it slide 
around on your head easily?  I am asking because I wouldn't want it sliding 
down over my eyes like a sleep mask as I don't like anything on my face.  

Also, how wide is the band?

I am used to wearing wired or wireless ear buds, and I am not sure how 
constricting this would feel on my head.  I may just try it out and see.

Thanks,
Pam

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2023 7:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

Hello All,

Okay, I received the second headband Bluetooth headset, earlier today, and I 
absolutely love them.  The fit is amazing, the micro-fiber material from which 
they are made is stretchable and the quality of the hardware is far superior 
than the first set I tried.

Unlike the first set, which I returned, this new set is USBC compatible.  

I agree with one of the 44000 reviewers who stated that this brand must be the 
original company from which all of the knock-offs, sprang.

Here is the Amazon description along with the Amazon, US link:

Perytong Sleep Headphones Wireless, Bluetooth Sports Headband Headphones with 
Ultra-Thin HD Stereo Speakers Perfect for Sleeping, Workout, Jogging, Yoga, 
Insomnia, Air Travel, Meditation.

https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2Fdp%2FB08R7439SN%3Fref_%3Dcm_sw_r_apin_dp_GHR7N550GET3XZ87DHH9=05%7C01%7C%7Ccbe830cad1af4953b09608daf998eff1%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C638096732501372331%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=aiLVtr915viTVD1PsHjry%2FxTxVZe3uO5Bzdo8mD%2F9ns%3D=0

Enjoy,

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2023 10:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

Hi Sieghard,

Yes, it was some kind of micro-fiber but it had almost no give / stretch at 
all.It felt more like a tourniquet than a headband, (smile).

I just looked it up and the brand was CenGoes.  As I said, the cost was $12 USD.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2023 9:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

When you say "band" what material is that? The ones we have are some sort of 
microfiber or other fabric.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2023 5:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

Hello Sieghard and Everyone,

Sieghard, I ordered the Bluetooth set of the wireless sleep headband you 
mentioned and for which you provided a link.

I could not use the link you provided to order the set but copied the brand 
name and found what I believe to be a similar set from a company.  The pair I 
purchased costs $16, American, $12 after a $4 discount.  The pair I ordered had 
about 300 Amazon reviews.  One of the features that people like is the fact 
that they fit snuggly around the head.

While I liked the sound of the earphones, the band was just too tight for 
comfort.  (I guess I have a big head, eh?)  (smile).

So, I returned them and ordered a mainstream brand, one that 

RE: Here’s how HomePod 2 Compares to the Original and HomePod Mini, 9 to 5 Mac

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I think of smart speakers a bit like browsers, they all have their strength and 
weaknesses. We have Alexa speakers and all our Sonos speakers which support a 
digital assistant are set up for Alexa in addition to the relatively new Sonos 
voice assistant, but we also have a few Google smartspeakers around the  house.
We have quite a few smart home devices and while our Philips Hue lights work 
also with Siri, all in all you still find more devices which support Alexa and 
Google although I hope that as Matter becomes more widely adopted this will 
really open up the smart  home field to all players.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Brandon 
Olivares
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2023 8:49 PM
To: VIPhone 
Subject: Re: Here’s how HomePod 2 Compares to the Original and HomePod Mini, 9 
to 5 Mac

I was just wondering about this. How did others like the HomePod 1? I’m 
thinking of getting the HomePod 2 and moving away from Alexa. I really want to 
get 2 of them and pair them for stereo.

> On Jan 18, 2023, at 11:34 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> 9 to 5 Mac, Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 1:16 PM
> 
> Here’s how HomePod 2 Compares to the Original and HomePod Mini, 9 to 5 
> Mac
> 
> In a surprise launch, Apple revived its full-size HomePod with a 
> second-generation model. While the overall design and many of the features 
> remain the same as the discontinued original, there are new capabilities and 
> changes. Here’s our full HomePod comparison for a look at HomePod 2 vs the 
> original vs HomePod mini too.
> 
> Background
> Apple launched the original HomePod back in 2018 at a premium price above 
> competitors at $349. Just over a year later, Apple cut the price to $299. 
> Then the HomePod mini arrived in the fall of 2020 with a more 
> mass-market-focused $99 price before Apple abruptly discontinued the 
> full-size HomePod in March of 2021.
> 
> While many felt the original HomePod was priced too high, it offered features 
> HomePod mini doesn’t match like richer, louder sound, strong bass, Dolby 
> Atmos support, beamforming, and room sensing.
> 
> Now the full-size HomePod has sprung back to life with the second-gen model 
> arriving with Thread/Matter support, a temperature/humidity sensor, updated 
> Apple Silicon chips, and a very minor tweak to the design.
> 
> HomePod comparison: New vs original vs mini Audio tech and features
> 
> For the main audio features of the HomePod 2, there’s not much different from 
> the original HomePod (the majority of differences are with smart features, 
> connectivity, and sensors).
> 
> The only difference mentioned by Apple is the computational audio is now 
> “advanced” with system sensing for real-time tuning while the original 
> HomePod and HomePod mini have the original computational audio for real-time 
> tuning.
> 
> But it’s great to see Spatial Audio/Dolby Atmos is back with the HomePod 2 
> since the mini doesn’t offer that.
> 
> 
> HomePod 2 HomePod 1   HomePod mini
> Spatial Audio Dolby Atmos ✅   ✅   ❌
> Room sensing  ✅   ✅   ❌
> Beamforming   ✅   ✅   ❌
> Stereo pairing (only w/ same speaker and gen) ✅   ✅   ✅
> Real-time tuning  Advanced computational audio with system sensing for 
> real-time tuningComputational audio for real-time tuning   Computational 
> audio for real-time tuning
> Multiroom AirPlay audio   ✅   ✅   ✅
> Home theater with Apple TV 4K ✅   ✅   ✅ but no Atmos
> Auto bass correction  ✅   ✅   ❌
> 
> One important caveat is that if you want to use HomePods in a stereo pair, 
> they’ll need to be the same type and generation.
> Smart home, sensors, connectivity
> 
> Here’s where HomePod 2 starts to stand out from the original. The new 
> full-size smart speaker gets Thread/Matter support, an S7 chip plus U1 for 
> improved iPhone handoffs, plus a temperature/humidity sensor like the HomePod 
> mini.
> 
> HomePod 2 and HomePod mini are also getting Sound Recognition like iPhone – 
> which is expected to arrive sometime this spring.
> 
> HomePod 2 HomePod 1   HomePod mini
> HomeKit + Siri✅   ✅   ✅
> Thread/Matter ✅   ❌   ✅
> WiFi  802.11n 802.11ac802.11n
> Bluetooth 5.0 5.0 5.0
> U1 chip   ✅   ❌   ✅
> Apple Silicon S7  A8  S5
> Sound recognition ✅ (likely this spring)  ❌   ✅ (likely this spring)
> Temperature and humidity sensor   ✅   ❌   ✅
> Intercom  ✅   ✅   ✅
> 
> The touch panel on top of the HomePod 2 appears to be similar to the original 
> but is now slightly recessed like the HomePod mini. The touch surface also 
> appears to illuminate entirely like the mini.
> Strangely, Apple downgraded the WiFi chip from 802.11ac to 802.11n. Maybe 
> it’s thinking Thread will be carrying more weight and it could be tied to the 
> switch from A-series to S-series Apple Silicon.
> 
> Apple also skips the upgrade to Bluetooth 5.3 on 

Re: Apple Quietly Launches a Selection of Audiobooks Voiced by an AI Robot, Mac Daily News

[Devin Prater]

Yep. Have Amazon Alexa read you a book. Emotion emulation is… at a good start.
Devin Prater
r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com

Https://devinprater.micro.blog

> On Jan 18, 2023, at 6:50 PM,  
>  wrote:
> 
> Well, all I can say is that, in all certainty, I flatly believe that such 
> digital voices are quite good for some books, not for all. However, I also 
> believe that is fair to say that AI is just going to get better at this 
> point. Inflection and intonation based on particular emotions shouldn't be 
> too difficult to emulate in the future. In all likelihood, this is already a 
> factual phenomenon in AI labs.
> 
> Best,
> Leo Bado
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2023 5:37 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Apple Quietly Launches a Selection of Audiobooks Voiced by an AI 
> Robot, Mac Daily News
> 
> So I must admit that is quite amazing and I wonder exactly what is involved 
> when they say "This is an Apple Books audiobook narrated by a digital voice 
> based on a human narrator" I guess Siri is or at least was based on this 
> ladie's voice, forgot her name when Siri originally came out, but it 
> certainly did not sound this good and neither do the Siri voices sound this 
> good now. I wonder if such voices will be available as Voiceover voices at 
> some point.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> literophi...@myself.com
> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2023 5:01 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Apple Quietly Launches a Selection of Audiobooks Voiced by an AI 
> Robot, Mac Daily News
> 
> Click on the following two links to listen to an audio sample:
> Book 1:
> https://books.apple.com/us/audiobook/id1640359031
> book 2:
> https://books.apple.com/us/audiobook/id1636546592
> 
> Best,
> Leo Bado
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Amy 
> Ruell
> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2023 3:15 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple Quietly Launches a Selection of Audiobooks Voiced by an AI 
> Robot, Mac Daily News
> 
> Where can I find a sample of the AI Apple books?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 18, 2023, at 12:24 AM, Ketan Kothari  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Although I have yet not tried the AI narrated book could anyone please 
>> explain difference between a electronic voice such as vocallizer or 
>> eloquence synthesizer voice and AI narrated book?  Thank you.
>> 
>> Ketan Kothari from Mumbai India
>> 
>>> On 14/01/2023, Alan Lemly  wrote:
>>> While I certainly want any AI rendered audiobooks to be of the 
>>> highest quality, this feels like the next phase of cost reduction by 
>>> eliminating human voice actors. I can't ever imagine an AI narrated 
>>> book to be of the same quality as a human narrated one and hope we'll 
>>> continue to have a good supply of human narrated audio for many years to 
>>> come.
>>> 
>>> Alan Lemly
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M.
>>> Taylor
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2023 8:30 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Apple Quietly Launches a Selection of Audiobooks Voiced by 
>>> an AI Robot, Mac Daily News
>>> 
>>> Hello Everyone,
>>> 
>>> I was Fascinated by this article so quickly went to Apple Books and 
>>> explored the selection.
>>> 
>>> I must say, I am amazed at the quality of the AI Rendering of the text.
>>> 
>>> While there are several free AI voiced audio books from which to 
>>> choose, I purchased a title called "WildWood" by Elinor Florence.
>>> 
>>> I will be posting a second article on this in a little while.
>>> 
>>> Enjoy,
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> Apple quietly launches a selection of audiobooks voiced by an AI 
>>> robot MacDailyNews - Friday, January 6, 2023 at 2:36 PM Apple quietly 
>>> launches a selection of audiobooks voiced by an AI robot Apple has 
>>> quietly launched a catalog of books narrated by an AI robot using 
>>> artificial intelligence and voice synthesis technologies it developed.
>>> By Leyland Cecco, for The Guardian:
>>> 
>>> The popularity of the audiobook market has exploded in recent years, 
>>> with technology companies scrambling to gain a foothold. Sales last 
>>> year jumped 25%, bringing in more than $1.5bn. Industry insiders 
>>> believe the global market could be worth more than $35bn by 2030.
>>> On the company's Books app, searching for "AI narration" reveals the 
>>> catalogue of works included in the scheme, which are described as 
>>> being "narrated by digital voice based on a human narrator".
>>> 
>>> Apple's development of AI to narrate books could represent a 
>>> significant shift in how major technology companies see the future of 
>>> audiobooks.
>>> Publishers, authors and literary agents who spoke to the Guardian 
>>> said the strategy, if successful, could have significant implications 
>>> for the market.
>>> 

RE: Here’s how HomePod 2 Compares to the Original and HomePod Mini, 9 to 5 Mac

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Not very tempting for somebody like me who is very much into Sonos. Sonos is 
going to release new speakers called Optima this year which I imagine will 
first replace the Sonos Five as that is one of their most dated speakers, but I 
think a Sonos One version of them is also in the works. I expect a significant 
sound upgrade from the Five with these. They won't have a temperature and 
humidity sensor and I doubt they'll be Matter enabled, but the word is that 
apart from connecting to your Wi-Fi and supporting Airplay 2 these new speakers 
will also be able to work fully in Bluetooth mode and anybody who is serious 
about wanting to build a whole house music system will still prefer the large 
offering of Sonos with a surround setup for the living room, various 
stand-alone smart speakers which can all be set up as stereo pairs, the 
portable Move and Roam as well as their Sonos Amp which can connec to bookshelf 
or in-wall/in-ceiling speakers. Thn there is also the Port which you can 
connect to an existing stereo receiver or Amp to tie it into your Sonos system 
and lastly you have the full sized wireless Sub and the recently released Sub 
Mini which you can add to any speaker setup you have to add more base and in 
fact you can add a pair of Sonos Sub if you want even more base performance for 
example to your surround sound setup. There is also talk about a new even 
larger Sub than the one they have now and maybe 2023 will finally be the year 
when there will be a Sonos audio file quality headset; Sonos typically releases 
2 new products a year and they are also targeting new categories so a headset 
would definitely be a new category.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2023 8:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Here’s how HomePod 2 Compares to the Original and HomePod Mini, 9 to 5 
Mac

9 to 5 Mac, Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 1:16 PM

Here’s how HomePod 2 Compares to the Original and HomePod Mini, 9 to 5 Mac

In a surprise launch, Apple revived its full-size HomePod with a 
second-generation model. While the overall design and many of the features 
remain the same as the discontinued original, there are new capabilities and 
changes. Here’s our full HomePod comparison for a look at HomePod 2 vs the 
original vs HomePod mini too.

Background
Apple launched the original HomePod back in 2018 at a premium price above 
competitors at $349. Just over a year later, Apple cut the price to $299. Then 
the HomePod mini arrived in the fall of 2020 with a more mass-market-focused 
$99 price before Apple abruptly discontinued the full-size HomePod in March of 
2021.

While many felt the original HomePod was priced too high, it offered features 
HomePod mini doesn’t match like richer, louder sound, strong bass, Dolby Atmos 
support, beamforming, and room sensing.

Now the full-size HomePod has sprung back to life with the second-gen model 
arriving with Thread/Matter support, a temperature/humidity sensor, updated 
Apple Silicon chips, and a very minor tweak to the design.

HomePod comparison: New vs original vs mini Audio tech and features
 
For the main audio features of the HomePod 2, there’s not much different from 
the original HomePod (the majority of differences are with smart features, 
connectivity, and sensors).

The only difference mentioned by Apple is the computational audio is now 
“advanced” with system sensing for real-time tuning while the original HomePod 
and HomePod mini have the original computational audio for real-time tuning.
But it’s great to see Spatial Audio/Dolby Atmos is back with the HomePod 2 
since the mini doesn’t offer that.


HomePod 2   HomePod 1   HomePod mini
Spatial Audio Dolby Atmos   ✅   ✅   ❌
Room sensing✅   ✅   ❌
Beamforming ✅   ✅   ❌
Stereo pairing (only w/ same speaker and gen)   ✅   ✅   ✅
Real-time tuningAdvanced computational audio with system sensing for 
real-time tuningComputational audio for real-time tuning   Computational audio 
for real-time tuning
Multiroom AirPlay audio ✅   ✅   ✅
Home theater with Apple TV 4K   ✅   ✅   ✅ but no Atmos
Auto bass correction✅   ✅   ❌

One important caveat is that if you want to use HomePods in a stereo pair, 
they’ll need to be the same type and generation.
Smart home, sensors, connectivity
 
Here’s where HomePod 2 starts to stand out from the original. The new full-size 
smart speaker gets Thread/Matter support, an S7 chip plus U1 for improved 
iPhone handoffs, plus a temperature/humidity sensor like the HomePod mini.

HomePod 2 and HomePod mini are also getting Sound Recognition like iPhone – 
which is expected to arrive sometime this spring.

HomePod 2   HomePod 1   HomePod mini
HomeKit + Siri  ✅   ✅   ✅
Thread/Matter   ✅   ❌   ✅
WiFi802.11n 802.11ac802.11n
Bluetooth   5.0 5.0 5.0
U1 chip ✅   ❌   

Re: Here’s how HomePod 2 Compares to the Original and HomePod Mini, 9 to 5 Mac

[Devin Prater]

Mine was really good, until it mysteriously stopped working.
Devin Prater
r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com

Https://devinprater.micro.blog

> On Jan 18, 2023, at 10:48 PM, Brandon Olivares  
> wrote:
> 
> I was just wondering about this. How did others like the HomePod 1? I’m 
> thinking of getting the HomePod 2 and moving away from Alexa. I really want 
> to get 2 of them and pair them for stereo.
> 
>> On Jan 18, 2023, at 11:34 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> 9 to 5 Mac, Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 1:16 PM
>> 
>> Here’s how HomePod 2 Compares to the Original and HomePod Mini, 9 to 5 Mac
>> 
>> In a surprise launch, Apple revived its full-size HomePod with a 
>> second-generation model. While the overall design and many of the features 
>> remain the same as the discontinued original, there are new capabilities and 
>> changes. Here’s our full HomePod comparison for a look at HomePod 2 vs the 
>> original vs HomePod mini too.
>> 
>> Background
>> Apple launched the original HomePod back in 2018 at a premium price above 
>> competitors at $349. Just over a year later, Apple cut the price to $299. 
>> Then the HomePod mini arrived in the fall of 2020 with a more 
>> mass-market-focused $99 price before Apple abruptly discontinued the 
>> full-size HomePod in March of 2021.
>> 
>> While many felt the original HomePod was priced too high, it offered 
>> features HomePod mini doesn’t match like richer, louder sound, strong bass, 
>> Dolby Atmos support, beamforming, and room sensing.
>> 
>> Now the full-size HomePod has sprung back to life with the second-gen model 
>> arriving with Thread/Matter support, a temperature/humidity sensor, updated 
>> Apple Silicon chips, and a very minor tweak to the design.
>> 
>> HomePod comparison: New vs original vs mini
>> Audio tech and features
>> 
>> For the main audio features of the HomePod 2, there’s not much different 
>> from the original HomePod (the majority of differences are with smart 
>> features, connectivity, and sensors).
>> 
>> The only difference mentioned by Apple is the computational audio is now 
>> “advanced” with system sensing for real-time tuning while the original 
>> HomePod and HomePod mini have the original computational audio for real-time 
>> tuning.
>> 
>> But it’s great to see Spatial Audio/Dolby Atmos is back with the HomePod 2 
>> since the mini doesn’t offer that.
>> 
>> 
>> HomePod 2HomePod 1   HomePod mini
>> Spatial Audio Dolby Atmos✅   ✅   ❌
>> Room sensing ✅   ✅   ❌
>> Beamforming  ✅   ✅   ❌
>> Stereo pairing (only w/ same speaker and gen)✅   ✅   ✅
>> Real-time tuning Advanced computational audio with system sensing for 
>> real-time tuningComputational audio for real-time tuning   Computational 
>> audio for real-time tuning
>> Multiroom AirPlay audio  ✅   ✅   ✅
>> Home theater with Apple TV 4K✅   ✅   ✅ but no Atmos
>> Auto bass correction ✅   ✅   ❌
>> 
>> One important caveat is that if you want to use HomePods in a stereo pair, 
>> they’ll need to be the same type and generation.
>> Smart home, sensors, connectivity
>> 
>> Here’s where HomePod 2 starts to stand out from the original. The new 
>> full-size smart speaker gets Thread/Matter support, an S7 chip plus U1 for 
>> improved iPhone handoffs, plus a temperature/humidity sensor like the 
>> HomePod mini.
>> 
>> HomePod 2 and HomePod mini are also getting Sound Recognition like iPhone – 
>> which is expected to arrive sometime this spring.
>> 
>> HomePod 2HomePod 1   HomePod mini
>> HomeKit + Siri   ✅   ✅   ✅
>> Thread/Matter✅   ❌   ✅
>> WiFi 802.11n 802.11ac802.11n
>> Bluetooth5.0 5.0 5.0
>> U1 chip  ✅   ❌   ✅
>> Apple SiliconS7  A8  S5
>> Sound recognition✅ (likely this spring)  ❌   ✅ (likely this spring)
>> Temperature and humidity sensor  ✅   ❌   ✅
>> Intercom ✅   ✅   ✅
>> 
>> The touch panel on top of the HomePod 2 appears to be similar to the 
>> original but is now slightly recessed like the HomePod mini. The touch 
>> surface also appears to illuminate entirely like the mini.
>> Strangely, Apple downgraded the WiFi chip from 802.11ac to 802.11n. Maybe 
>> it’s thinking Thread will be carrying more weight and it could be tied to 
>> the switch from A-series to S-series Apple Silicon.
>> 
>> Apple also skips the upgrade to Bluetooth 5.3 on the new HomePod – however, 
>> that’s really just used for the setup, not music playback.
>> 
>> Notably, more new features are coming to all HomePods with the upcoming 16.3 
>> release:
>> Speakers and mics
>> HomePod 2 internals via Apple 
>> 
>> There are some interesting tweaks when it comes to the speakers and mics. 
>> First, Apple hints the high-excursion woofer is bigger. The new HomePod has 
>> a 4-inch woofer while the size of the original wasn’t disclosed by Apple.
>> 
>> Other changes see the 7-array tweeter of the original 

Re: Here’s how HomePod 2 Compares to the Original and HomePod Mini, 9 to 5 Mac

[Brandon Olivares]

I was just wondering about this. How did others like the HomePod 1? I’m 
thinking of getting the HomePod 2 and moving away from Alexa. I really want to 
get 2 of them and pair them for stereo.

> On Jan 18, 2023, at 11:34 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> 9 to 5 Mac, Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 1:16 PM
> 
> Here’s how HomePod 2 Compares to the Original and HomePod Mini, 9 to 5 Mac
> 
> In a surprise launch, Apple revived its full-size HomePod with a 
> second-generation model. While the overall design and many of the features 
> remain the same as the discontinued original, there are new capabilities and 
> changes. Here’s our full HomePod comparison for a look at HomePod 2 vs the 
> original vs HomePod mini too.
> 
> Background
> Apple launched the original HomePod back in 2018 at a premium price above 
> competitors at $349. Just over a year later, Apple cut the price to $299. 
> Then the HomePod mini arrived in the fall of 2020 with a more 
> mass-market-focused $99 price before Apple abruptly discontinued the 
> full-size HomePod in March of 2021.
> 
> While many felt the original HomePod was priced too high, it offered features 
> HomePod mini doesn’t match like richer, louder sound, strong bass, Dolby 
> Atmos support, beamforming, and room sensing.
> 
> Now the full-size HomePod has sprung back to life with the second-gen model 
> arriving with Thread/Matter support, a temperature/humidity sensor, updated 
> Apple Silicon chips, and a very minor tweak to the design.
> 
> HomePod comparison: New vs original vs mini
> Audio tech and features
> 
> For the main audio features of the HomePod 2, there’s not much different from 
> the original HomePod (the majority of differences are with smart features, 
> connectivity, and sensors).
> 
> The only difference mentioned by Apple is the computational audio is now 
> “advanced” with system sensing for real-time tuning while the original 
> HomePod and HomePod mini have the original computational audio for real-time 
> tuning.
> 
> But it’s great to see Spatial Audio/Dolby Atmos is back with the HomePod 2 
> since the mini doesn’t offer that.
> 
> 
> HomePod 2 HomePod 1   HomePod mini
> Spatial Audio Dolby Atmos ✅   ✅   ❌
> Room sensing  ✅   ✅   ❌
> Beamforming   ✅   ✅   ❌
> Stereo pairing (only w/ same speaker and gen) ✅   ✅   ✅
> Real-time tuning  Advanced computational audio with system sensing for 
> real-time tuningComputational audio for real-time tuning   Computational 
> audio for real-time tuning
> Multiroom AirPlay audio   ✅   ✅   ✅
> Home theater with Apple TV 4K ✅   ✅   ✅ but no Atmos
> Auto bass correction  ✅   ✅   ❌
> 
> One important caveat is that if you want to use HomePods in a stereo pair, 
> they’ll need to be the same type and generation.
> Smart home, sensors, connectivity
> 
> Here’s where HomePod 2 starts to stand out from the original. The new 
> full-size smart speaker gets Thread/Matter support, an S7 chip plus U1 for 
> improved iPhone handoffs, plus a temperature/humidity sensor like the HomePod 
> mini.
> 
> HomePod 2 and HomePod mini are also getting Sound Recognition like iPhone – 
> which is expected to arrive sometime this spring.
> 
> HomePod 2 HomePod 1   HomePod mini
> HomeKit + Siri✅   ✅   ✅
> Thread/Matter ✅   ❌   ✅
> WiFi  802.11n 802.11ac802.11n
> Bluetooth 5.0 5.0 5.0
> U1 chip   ✅   ❌   ✅
> Apple Silicon S7  A8  S5
> Sound recognition ✅ (likely this spring)  ❌   ✅ (likely this spring)
> Temperature and humidity sensor   ✅   ❌   ✅
> Intercom  ✅   ✅   ✅
> 
> The touch panel on top of the HomePod 2 appears to be similar to the original 
> but is now slightly recessed like the HomePod mini. The touch surface also 
> appears to illuminate entirely like the mini.
> Strangely, Apple downgraded the WiFi chip from 802.11ac to 802.11n. Maybe 
> it’s thinking Thread will be carrying more weight and it could be tied to the 
> switch from A-series to S-series Apple Silicon.
> 
> Apple also skips the upgrade to Bluetooth 5.3 on the new HomePod – however, 
> that’s really just used for the setup, not music playback.
> 
> Notably, more new features are coming to all HomePods with the upcoming 16.3 
> release:
> Speakers and mics
> HomePod 2 internals via Apple 
> 
> There are some interesting tweaks when it comes to the speakers and mics. 
> First, Apple hints the high-excursion woofer is bigger. The new HomePod has a 
> 4-inch woofer while the size of the original wasn’t disclosed by Apple.
> 
> Other changes see the 7-array tweeter of the original simplified to 5 for 
> HomePod, and the far-field mics are also reduced from 6 to 4.
> 
> HomePod 2 HomePod 1   HomePod mini
> Woofer4-inch high-excursion wooferHigh-excursion woofer   ❌
> Speakers  5-array horn-loaded tweeters7-array horn-loaded tweeters
> Full-range driver and dual 

Here’s how HomePod 2 Compares to the Original and HomePod Mini, 9 to 5 Mac

[M. Taylor]

9 to 5 Mac, Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 1:16 PM

Here’s how HomePod 2 Compares to the Original and HomePod Mini, 9 to 5 Mac

In a surprise launch, Apple revived its full-size HomePod with a 
second-generation model. While the overall design and many of the features 
remain the same as the discontinued original, there are new capabilities and 
changes. Here’s our full HomePod comparison for a look at HomePod 2 vs the 
original vs HomePod mini too.

Background
Apple launched the original HomePod back in 2018 at a premium price above 
competitors at $349. Just over a year later, Apple cut the price to $299. Then 
the HomePod mini arrived in the fall of 2020 with a more mass-market-focused 
$99 price before Apple abruptly discontinued the full-size HomePod in March of 
2021.

While many felt the original HomePod was priced too high, it offered features 
HomePod mini doesn’t match like richer, louder sound, strong bass, Dolby Atmos 
support, beamforming, and room sensing.

Now the full-size HomePod has sprung back to life with the second-gen model 
arriving with Thread/Matter support, a temperature/humidity sensor, updated 
Apple Silicon chips, and a very minor tweak to the design.

HomePod comparison: New vs original vs mini
Audio tech and features
 
For the main audio features of the HomePod 2, there’s not much different from 
the original HomePod (the majority of differences are with smart features, 
connectivity, and sensors).

The only difference mentioned by Apple is the computational audio is now 
“advanced” with system sensing for real-time tuning while the original HomePod 
and HomePod mini have the original computational audio for real-time tuning.

But it’s great to see Spatial Audio/Dolby Atmos is back with the HomePod 2 
since the mini doesn’t offer that.


HomePod 2   HomePod 1   HomePod mini
Spatial Audio Dolby Atmos   ✅   ✅   ❌
Room sensing✅   ✅   ❌
Beamforming ✅   ✅   ❌
Stereo pairing (only w/ same speaker and gen)   ✅   ✅   ✅
Real-time tuningAdvanced computational audio with system sensing for 
real-time tuningComputational audio for real-time tuning   Computational audio 
for real-time tuning
Multiroom AirPlay audio ✅   ✅   ✅
Home theater with Apple TV 4K   ✅   ✅   ✅ but no Atmos
Auto bass correction✅   ✅   ❌

One important caveat is that if you want to use HomePods in a stereo pair, 
they’ll need to be the same type and generation.
Smart home, sensors, connectivity
 
Here’s where HomePod 2 starts to stand out from the original. The new full-size 
smart speaker gets Thread/Matter support, an S7 chip plus U1 for improved 
iPhone handoffs, plus a temperature/humidity sensor like the HomePod mini.

HomePod 2 and HomePod mini are also getting Sound Recognition like iPhone – 
which is expected to arrive sometime this spring.

HomePod 2   HomePod 1   HomePod mini
HomeKit + Siri  ✅   ✅   ✅
Thread/Matter   ✅   ❌   ✅
WiFi802.11n 802.11ac802.11n
Bluetooth   5.0 5.0 5.0
U1 chip ✅   ❌   ✅
Apple Silicon   S7  A8  S5
Sound recognition   ✅ (likely this spring)  ❌   ✅ (likely this spring)
Temperature and humidity sensor ✅   ❌   ✅
Intercom✅   ✅   ✅

The touch panel on top of the HomePod 2 appears to be similar to the original 
but is now slightly recessed like the HomePod mini. The touch surface also 
appears to illuminate entirely like the mini.
Strangely, Apple downgraded the WiFi chip from 802.11ac to 802.11n. Maybe it’s 
thinking Thread will be carrying more weight and it could be tied to the switch 
from A-series to S-series Apple Silicon.

Apple also skips the upgrade to Bluetooth 5.3 on the new HomePod – however, 
that’s really just used for the setup, not music playback.

Notably, more new features are coming to all HomePods with the upcoming 16.3 
release:
Speakers and mics
 HomePod 2 internals via Apple 

There are some interesting tweaks when it comes to the speakers and mics. 
First, Apple hints the high-excursion woofer is bigger. The new HomePod has a 
4-inch woofer while the size of the original wasn’t disclosed by Apple.

Other changes see the 7-array tweeter of the original simplified to 5 for 
HomePod, and the far-field mics are also reduced from 6 to 4.

HomePod 2   HomePod 1   HomePod mini
Woofer  4-inch high-excursion wooferHigh-excursion woofer   ❌
Speakers5-array horn-loaded tweeters7-array horn-loaded tweeters
Full-range driver and dual passive radiators
Far-field mics  4   6   4

Apple must be confident it has achieved the same or better sound quality, 
output, and input as the original HomePod with fewer tweeters and mics. It 
describes the HomePod 2 as offering “immersive, high-fidelity audio.”

Here’s how Apple describes the new HomePod 2 woofer:
“A high excursion woofer packs HomePod with deep, rich bass. Its powerful motor 
drives the diaphragm a remarkable 20 

Re: When It Comes to iPhone, Are You All Thumbs?

[Joshua Hendrickson]

I could never figure out how to do the split tap thing.  Before I got
my Hable One, I used my wright index finger to type.  I was never very
fast when I did it, but I could do it.

On 1/18/23, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> Bull's eye, Chris; that is the way I am about tasks.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2023 2:25 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: When It Comes to iPhone, Are You All Thumbs?
>
> I'm also not interested in doing something just because that's the way
> sighted people do it. In my case, after my children explained what they do,
> and I tried it myself, I decided it was more efficient for me to type that
> way. Just as I won't do something just because sighted people do it that
> way, I'm also not going to rule out trying something the way a sighted
> person does it.
>
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
> Chaltain at Outlook, USA
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kathy
> Brandt
> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2023 8:44 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: When It Comes to iPhone, Are You All Thumbs?
>
> When I got my first iPod, training wheels for my iPhone, somehow always used
> right index finger; never occurred to me to use my thumbs. when I heard of
> people doing this, didn’t occur to me to switch. I’m not interested in doing
> something just because that’s the way sighted people do it.
>
> On Jan 18, 2023, at 9:00 AM, Christopher Chaltain 
> wrote:
>
> I do use my thumbs. My sighted children showed me how to do it. I place the
> phone so that each bottom corner is in the palm of one of my hands. My
> fingers reach around behind the phone to cradle it. I then use my thumbs to
> type, with my left thumb reaching the keys on the left and so on.
>
> For longer bouts of typing, I'll use braille screen input, my Orbit Writer
> or a Logitech keyboard.
>
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
> Chaltain at Outlook, USA
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Gerardo Corripio
> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2023 7:29 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: When It Comes to iPhone, Are You All Thumbs?
>
> Holding the phone in my left hand, I use the 3 fingers (Index, Middle, and
> Ring), and depending on what letter I'm typing, the finger: for the A, Q, W,
> S, i, I use the Index; for the E, D, F, R, etc., the middle but sometimes
> the Index. And for the rest of the letters, I use either the Index or middle
> finger. To switch between letters and numbwiths, I use the Index finger. And
> for the Enter, I use the Ring finger.
>
> Gera
> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel
>
>> El 18 ene 2023, a la(s) 12:55 a.m., M. Taylor  escribió:
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> A friend of mine and I got into a discussion about how we type in iOS,
>> when sending text messages.
>>
>> It started when she asked me if I use my thumbs to type.  Even though
>> I know that a great many people use their thumbs to enter text on
>> iPhone, personally I find the technique slow and awkward.
>>
>> How do I enter text in iOS?
>>
>> First, I keep my VoiceOver typing mode set to "Touch Typing."
>>
>> Second, I use a folio case.  Not only does such a case cover the
>> display when not in use, it also provides a nifty way to balance the
>> phone in one hand, fingers-free.
>>
>> When entering text, I open the case, kind of like a book, with the
>> wallet side to the left and the phone to the right.  I position the
>> phone case in the crook of my left hand (where the base of my thumb
>> meets my hand) so that the back of the phone, in the case of course,
>> is resting against the palm of my left hand, leaving all five digits on my
>> left hand, free.
>>
>> The wallet side of the case acts as a kind of counter balance so that
>> the phone does not slip out of my hand, even when the phone is tilted,
>> off-axis, so to speak.
>>
>> I use my left thumb to access the letters and numbers, located on the
>> left side of the onscreen keyboard and the index finger of my right
>> hand, to access the letters and numbers located on the right side of
>> the onscreen keyboard.
>>
>> I hold the phone in the exact same way when using Slide-to-Type;
>> except in that instance, I use my right index finger, only.
>>
>> Okay, that's my method for entering text on iPhone.
>>
>> How about you?  What technique do you use to enter text in iOS?
>>
>> When it come to iPhone, are you all thumbs? (smile).
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>> --
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>>
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RE: Apple Quietly Launches a Selection of Audiobooks Voiced by an AI Robot, Mac Daily News

[literophilus]

Well, all I can say is that, in all certainty, I flatly believe that such 
digital voices are quite good for some books, not for all. However, I also 
believe that is fair to say that AI is just going to get better at this point. 
Inflection and intonation based on particular emotions shouldn't be too 
difficult to emulate in the future. In all likelihood, this is already a 
factual phenomenon in AI labs.

Best,
 Leo Bado

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2023 5:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple Quietly Launches a Selection of Audiobooks Voiced by an AI 
Robot, Mac Daily News

So I must admit that is quite amazing and I wonder exactly what is involved 
when they say "This is an Apple Books audiobook narrated by a digital voice 
based on a human narrator" I guess Siri is or at least was based on this 
ladie's voice, forgot her name when Siri originally came out, but it certainly 
did not sound this good and neither do the Siri voices sound this good now. I 
wonder if such voices will be available as Voiceover voices at some point.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
literophi...@myself.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2023 5:01 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple Quietly Launches a Selection of Audiobooks Voiced by an AI 
Robot, Mac Daily News

Click on the following two links to listen to an audio sample:
Book 1:
https://books.apple.com/us/audiobook/id1640359031
book 2:
https://books.apple.com/us/audiobook/id1636546592

Best,
 Leo Bado

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Amy Ruell
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2023 3:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Quietly Launches a Selection of Audiobooks Voiced by an AI 
Robot, Mac Daily News

Where can I find a sample of the AI Apple books?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 18, 2023, at 12:24 AM, Ketan Kothari  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Although I have yet not tried the AI narrated book could anyone please 
> explain difference between a electronic voice such as vocallizer or 
> eloquence synthesizer voice and AI narrated book?  Thank you.
> 
> Ketan Kothari from Mumbai India
> 
>> On 14/01/2023, Alan Lemly  wrote:
>> While I certainly want any AI rendered audiobooks to be of the 
>> highest quality, this feels like the next phase of cost reduction by 
>> eliminating human voice actors. I can't ever imagine an AI narrated 
>> book to be of the same quality as a human narrated one and hope we'll 
>> continue to have a good supply of human narrated audio for many years to 
>> come.
>> 
>> Alan Lemly
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M.
>> Taylor
>> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2023 8:30 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Apple Quietly Launches a Selection of Audiobooks Voiced by 
>> an AI Robot, Mac Daily News
>> 
>> Hello Everyone,
>> 
>> I was Fascinated by this article so quickly went to Apple Books and 
>> explored the selection.
>> 
>> I must say, I am amazed at the quality of the AI Rendering of the text.
>> 
>> While there are several free AI voiced audio books from which to 
>> choose, I purchased a title called "WildWood" by Elinor Florence.
>> 
>> I will be posting a second article on this in a little while.
>> 
>> Enjoy,
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> Apple quietly launches a selection of audiobooks voiced by an AI 
>> robot MacDailyNews - Friday, January 6, 2023 at 2:36 PM Apple quietly 
>> launches a selection of audiobooks voiced by an AI robot Apple has 
>> quietly launched a catalog of books narrated by an AI robot using 
>> artificial intelligence and voice synthesis technologies it developed.
>> By Leyland Cecco, for The Guardian:
>> 
>> The popularity of the audiobook market has exploded in recent years, 
>> with technology companies scrambling to gain a foothold. Sales last 
>> year jumped 25%, bringing in more than $1.5bn. Industry insiders 
>> believe the global market could be worth more than $35bn by 2030.
>> On the company's Books app, searching for "AI narration" reveals the 
>> catalogue of works included in the scheme, which are described as 
>> being "narrated by digital voice based on a human narrator".
>> 
>> Apple's development of AI to narrate books could represent a 
>> significant shift in how major technology companies see the future of 
>> audiobooks.
>> Publishers, authors and literary agents who spoke to the Guardian 
>> said the strategy, if successful, could have significant implications 
>> for the market.
>> 
>> MacDailyNews Take: At first listen, it doesn't sound awful. A preview 
>> can be heard via Apple Books here.
>> 
>> Original Article at:
>> https://macdailynews.com/2023/01/06/apple-quietly-launches-a-selectio
>> n-of-au
>> diobooks-voiced-by-an-ai-robot/
>> 
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RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

[paekstrand]

Thanks.  I was looking at the Peryton ones that Mark provided a link to, 
although after looking at several on Amazon, they seem to start to sound pretty 
much alike.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2023 5:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

I have two different brands, so I'm assuming we're talking about one of them. 
The answer is the same for both brands. The band is about as wide as my palm. 
It's a little wider around the ears and a bit narrower as it goes around the 
front and back of the head. It doesn't slide around much for me, but sometimes 
I'll adjust the front to reposition the controls, which are on your forehead, 
and that'll cause the band to slip over my eyes a bit. This doesn't happen if I 
don't adjust the band though.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
Chaltain at Outlook, USA

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
paekstr...@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2023 3:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

Hi Mark,

I am considering getting this and have a couple of questions.  Does it slide 
around on your head easily?  I am asking because I wouldn't want it sliding 
down over my eyes like a sleep mask as I don't like anything on my face.  

Also, how wide is the band?

I am used to wearing wired or wireless ear buds, and I am not sure how 
constricting this would feel on my head.  I may just try it out and see.

Thanks,
Pam

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2023 7:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

Hello All,

Okay, I received the second headband Bluetooth headset, earlier today, and I 
absolutely love them.  The fit is amazing, the micro-fiber material from which 
they are made is stretchable and the quality of the hardware is far superior 
than the first set I tried.

Unlike the first set, which I returned, this new set is USBC compatible.  

I agree with one of the 44000 reviewers who stated that this brand must be the 
original company from which all of the knock-offs, sprang.

Here is the Amazon description along with the Amazon, US link:

Perytong Sleep Headphones Wireless, Bluetooth Sports Headband Headphones with 
Ultra-Thin HD Stereo Speakers Perfect for Sleeping, Workout, Jogging, Yoga, 
Insomnia, Air Travel, Meditation.

https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2Fdp%2FB08R7439SN%3Fref_%3Dcm_sw_r_apin_dp_GHR7N550GET3XZ87DHH9=05%7C01%7C%7Ccbe830cad1af4953b09608daf998eff1%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C638096732501372331%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=aiLVtr915viTVD1PsHjry%2FxTxVZe3uO5Bzdo8mD%2F9ns%3D=0

Enjoy,

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2023 10:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

Hi Sieghard,

Yes, it was some kind of micro-fiber but it had almost no give / stretch at 
all.It felt more like a tourniquet than a headband, (smile).

I just looked it up and the brand was CenGoes.  As I said, the cost was $12 USD.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2023 9:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

When you say "band" what material is that? The ones we have are some sort of 
microfiber or other fabric.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2023 5:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

Hello Sieghard and Everyone,

Sieghard, I ordered the Bluetooth set of the wireless sleep headband you 
mentioned and for which you provided a link.

I could not use the link you provided to order the set but copied the brand 
name and found what I believe to be a similar set from a company.  The pair I 
purchased costs $16, American, $12 after a $4 discount.  The pair I ordered had 
about 300 Amazon reviews.  One of the features that people like is the fact 
that they fit snuggly around the head.

While I liked the sound of the earphones, the band was just too tight for 
comfort.  (I guess I have a big head, eh?)  (smile).

So, I returned them and ordered a mainstream brand, one that is marked as 
Amazon Choice with over 44000 reviews at 4.3 out of 5 stars.  They should be 
here on Tuesday.  The design is a little bit different but the concept is the 
same.

Once I find a pair that I like, I will post a link to the group, in this thread.

Mark




-Original Message-
From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. 
Taylor
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2023 10:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com

RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

[paekstrand]

Well, I do have an old wired headphone band, but that one does slip down quite 
a bit.  I didn't know if that was normal with these things, or maybe just how 
that one behaves.  I was also deciding if I want yet another thing that needs 
to be charged, but since it isn't expensive, I will probably just try it.  As 
far as being warm, we live in Florida, so yes, our summers are hot, to say the 
least, but we do keep our house fairly cool at night.

Thanks for the feedback.  
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2023 6:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

Have you ever worn a headband, it's very much like that and I certainly never 
had mine slip down over my face even after using it for 3 years. If you live in 
a rather warm place it may feel warm, though, I for example don't use mine a 
lot in the summer when it can get  hot here, but most of the year it's not a 
problem.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
paekstr...@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2023 1:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

Hi Mark,

I am considering getting this and have a couple of questions.  Does it slide 
around on your head easily?  I am asking because I wouldn't want it sliding 
down over my eyes like a sleep mask as I don't like anything on my face.  

Also, how wide is the band?

I am used to wearing wired or wireless ear buds, and I am not sure how 
constricting this would feel on my head.  I may just try it out and see.

Thanks,
Pam

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2023 7:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

Hello All,

Okay, I received the second headband Bluetooth headset, earlier today, and I 
absolutely love them.  The fit is amazing, the micro-fiber material from which 
they are made is stretchable and the quality of the hardware is far superior 
than the first set I tried.

Unlike the first set, which I returned, this new set is USBC compatible.  

I agree with one of the 44000 reviewers who stated that this brand must be the 
original company from which all of the knock-offs, sprang.

Here is the Amazon description along with the Amazon, US link:

Perytong Sleep Headphones Wireless, Bluetooth Sports Headband Headphones with 
Ultra-Thin HD Stereo Speakers Perfect for Sleeping, Workout, Jogging, Yoga, 
Insomnia, Air Travel, Meditation.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08R7439SN?ref_=cm_sw_r_apin_dp_GHR7N550GET3XZ87DHH9

Enjoy,

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2023 10:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

Hi Sieghard,

Yes, it was some kind of micro-fiber but it had almost no give / stretch at 
all.It felt more like a tourniquet than a headband, (smile).

I just looked it up and the brand was CenGoes.  As I said, the cost was $12 USD.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2023 9:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

When you say "band" what material is that? The ones we have are some sort of 
microfiber or other fabric.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2023 5:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

Hello Sieghard and Everyone,

Sieghard, I ordered the Bluetooth set of the wireless sleep headband you 
mentioned and for which you provided a link.

I could not use the link you provided to order the set but copied the brand 
name and found what I believe to be a similar set from a company.  The pair I 
purchased costs $16, American, $12 after a $4 discount.  The pair I ordered had 
about 300 Amazon reviews.  One of the features that people like is the fact 
that they fit snuggly around the head.

While I liked the sound of the earphones, the band was just too tight for 
comfort.  (I guess I have a big head, eh?)  (smile).

So, I returned them and ordered a mainstream brand, one that is marked as 
Amazon Choice with over 44000 reviews at 4.3 out of 5 stars.  They should be 
here on Tuesday.  The design is a little bit different but the concept is the 
same.

Once I find a pair that I like, I will post a link to the group, in this thread.

Mark




-Original Message-
From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. 
Taylor
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2023 10:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

Hi Sieghard,

Great  Thank you for posting the link to these.

I was afraid of purchasing the wrong model.

“You’re a good man, Charlie Brown.”  (smile).

Mark

From: 

RE: Apple Quietly Launches a Selection of Audiobooks Voiced by an AI Robot, Mac Daily News

[Sieghard Weitzel]

So I must admit that is quite amazing and I wonder exactly what is involved 
when they say "This is an Apple Books audiobook narrated by a digital voice 
based on a human narrator" I guess Siri is or at least was based on this 
ladie's voice, forgot her name when Siri originally came out, but it certainly 
did not sound this good and neither do the Siri voices sound this good now. I 
wonder if such voices will be available as Voiceover voices at some point.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
literophi...@myself.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2023 5:01 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple Quietly Launches a Selection of Audiobooks Voiced by an AI 
Robot, Mac Daily News

Click on the following two links to listen to an audio sample:
Book 1:
https://books.apple.com/us/audiobook/id1640359031
book 2:
https://books.apple.com/us/audiobook/id1636546592

Best,
 Leo Bado

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Amy Ruell
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2023 3:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Quietly Launches a Selection of Audiobooks Voiced by an AI 
Robot, Mac Daily News

Where can I find a sample of the AI Apple books?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 18, 2023, at 12:24 AM, Ketan Kothari  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Although I have yet not tried the AI narrated book could anyone please 
> explain difference between a electronic voice such as vocallizer or 
> eloquence synthesizer voice and AI narrated book?  Thank you.
> 
> Ketan Kothari from Mumbai India
> 
>> On 14/01/2023, Alan Lemly  wrote:
>> While I certainly want any AI rendered audiobooks to be of the 
>> highest quality, this feels like the next phase of cost reduction by 
>> eliminating human voice actors. I can't ever imagine an AI narrated 
>> book to be of the same quality as a human narrated one and hope we'll 
>> continue to have a good supply of human narrated audio for many years to 
>> come.
>> 
>> Alan Lemly
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M.
>> Taylor
>> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2023 8:30 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Apple Quietly Launches a Selection of Audiobooks Voiced by 
>> an AI Robot, Mac Daily News
>> 
>> Hello Everyone,
>> 
>> I was Fascinated by this article so quickly went to Apple Books and 
>> explored the selection.
>> 
>> I must say, I am amazed at the quality of the AI Rendering of the text.
>> 
>> While there are several free AI voiced audio books from which to 
>> choose, I purchased a title called "WildWood" by Elinor Florence.
>> 
>> I will be posting a second article on this in a little while.
>> 
>> Enjoy,
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> Apple quietly launches a selection of audiobooks voiced by an AI 
>> robot MacDailyNews - Friday, January 6, 2023 at 2:36 PM Apple quietly 
>> launches a selection of audiobooks voiced by an AI robot Apple has 
>> quietly launched a catalog of books narrated by an AI robot using 
>> artificial intelligence and voice synthesis technologies it developed.
>> By Leyland Cecco, for The Guardian:
>> 
>> The popularity of the audiobook market has exploded in recent years, 
>> with technology companies scrambling to gain a foothold. Sales last 
>> year jumped 25%, bringing in more than $1.5bn. Industry insiders 
>> believe the global market could be worth more than $35bn by 2030.
>> On the company's Books app, searching for "AI narration" reveals the 
>> catalogue of works included in the scheme, which are described as 
>> being "narrated by digital voice based on a human narrator".
>> 
>> Apple's development of AI to narrate books could represent a 
>> significant shift in how major technology companies see the future of 
>> audiobooks.
>> Publishers, authors and literary agents who spoke to the Guardian 
>> said the strategy, if successful, could have significant implications 
>> for the market.
>> 
>> MacDailyNews Take: At first listen, it doesn't sound awful. A preview 
>> can be heard via Apple Books here.
>> 
>> Original Article at:
>> https://macdailynews.com/2023/01/06/apple-quietly-launches-a-selectio
>> n-of-au
>> diobooks-voiced-by-an-ai-robot/
>> 
>> 
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RE: When It Comes to iPhone, Are You All Thumbs?

[Carolyn]

Bull's eye, Chris; that is the way I am about tasks. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2023 2:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: When It Comes to iPhone, Are You All Thumbs?

I'm also not interested in doing something just because that's the way sighted 
people do it. In my case, after my children explained what they do, and I tried 
it myself, I decided it was more efficient for me to type that way. Just as I 
won't do something just because sighted people do it that way, I'm also not 
going to rule out trying something the way a sighted person does it.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
Chaltain at Outlook, USA

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kathy 
Brandt
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2023 8:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: When It Comes to iPhone, Are You All Thumbs?

When I got my first iPod, training wheels for my iPhone, somehow always used 
right index finger; never occurred to me to use my thumbs. when I heard of 
people doing this, didn’t occur to me to switch. I’m not interested in doing 
something just because that’s the way sighted people do it.

On Jan 18, 2023, at 9:00 AM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:

I do use my thumbs. My sighted children showed me how to do it. I place the 
phone so that each bottom corner is in the palm of one of my hands. My fingers 
reach around behind the phone to cradle it. I then use my thumbs to type, with 
my left thumb reaching the keys on the left and so on.

For longer bouts of typing, I'll use braille screen input, my Orbit Writer or a 
Logitech keyboard.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
Chaltain at Outlook, USA

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Gerardo 
Corripio
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2023 7:29 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: When It Comes to iPhone, Are You All Thumbs?

Holding the phone in my left hand, I use the 3 fingers (Index, Middle, and 
Ring), and depending on what letter I'm typing, the finger: for the A, Q, W, S, 
i, I use the Index; for the E, D, F, R, etc., the middle but sometimes the 
Index. And for the rest of the letters, I use either the Index or middle 
finger. To switch between letters and numbwiths, I use the Index finger. And 
for the Enter, I use the Ring finger.

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

> El 18 ene 2023, a la(s) 12:55 a.m., M. Taylor  escribió:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> A friend of mine and I got into a discussion about how we type in iOS, 
> when sending text messages.
> 
> It started when she asked me if I use my thumbs to type.  Even though 
> I know that a great many people use their thumbs to enter text on 
> iPhone, personally I find the technique slow and awkward.
> 
> How do I enter text in iOS?
> 
> First, I keep my VoiceOver typing mode set to "Touch Typing."
> 
> Second, I use a folio case.  Not only does such a case cover the 
> display when not in use, it also provides a nifty way to balance the 
> phone in one hand, fingers-free.
> 
> When entering text, I open the case, kind of like a book, with the 
> wallet side to the left and the phone to the right.  I position the 
> phone case in the crook of my left hand (where the base of my thumb 
> meets my hand) so that the back of the phone, in the case of course, 
> is resting against the palm of my left hand, leaving all five digits on my 
> left hand, free.
> 
> The wallet side of the case acts as a kind of counter balance so that 
> the phone does not slip out of my hand, even when the phone is tilted, 
> off-axis, so to speak.
> 
> I use my left thumb to access the letters and numbers, located on the 
> left side of the onscreen keyboard and the index finger of my right 
> hand, to access the letters and numbers located on the right side of 
> the onscreen keyboard.
> 
> I hold the phone in the exact same way when using Slide-to-Type; 
> except in that instance, I use my right index finger, only.
> 
> Okay, that's my method for entering text on iPhone.  
> 
> How about you?  What technique do you use to enter text in iOS?
> 
> When it come to iPhone, are you all thumbs? (smile).
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
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> 
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> 
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> 
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> 

RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Have you ever worn a headband, it's very much like that and I certainly never 
had mine slip down over my face even after using it for 3 years. If you live in 
a rather warm place it may feel warm, though, I for example don't use mine a 
lot in the summer when it can get  hot here, but most of the year it's not a 
problem.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
paekstr...@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2023 1:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

Hi Mark,

I am considering getting this and have a couple of questions.  Does it slide 
around on your head easily?  I am asking because I wouldn't want it sliding 
down over my eyes like a sleep mask as I don't like anything on my face.  

Also, how wide is the band?

I am used to wearing wired or wireless ear buds, and I am not sure how 
constricting this would feel on my head.  I may just try it out and see.

Thanks,
Pam

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2023 7:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

Hello All,

Okay, I received the second headband Bluetooth headset, earlier today, and I 
absolutely love them.  The fit is amazing, the micro-fiber material from which 
they are made is stretchable and the quality of the hardware is far superior 
than the first set I tried.

Unlike the first set, which I returned, this new set is USBC compatible.  

I agree with one of the 44000 reviewers who stated that this brand must be the 
original company from which all of the knock-offs, sprang.

Here is the Amazon description along with the Amazon, US link:

Perytong Sleep Headphones Wireless, Bluetooth Sports Headband Headphones with 
Ultra-Thin HD Stereo Speakers Perfect for Sleeping, Workout, Jogging, Yoga, 
Insomnia, Air Travel, Meditation.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08R7439SN?ref_=cm_sw_r_apin_dp_GHR7N550GET3XZ87DHH9

Enjoy,

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2023 10:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

Hi Sieghard,

Yes, it was some kind of micro-fiber but it had almost no give / stretch at 
all.It felt more like a tourniquet than a headband, (smile).

I just looked it up and the brand was CenGoes.  As I said, the cost was $12 USD.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2023 9:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

When you say "band" what material is that? The ones we have are some sort of 
microfiber or other fabric.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2023 5:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

Hello Sieghard and Everyone,

Sieghard, I ordered the Bluetooth set of the wireless sleep headband you 
mentioned and for which you provided a link.

I could not use the link you provided to order the set but copied the brand 
name and found what I believe to be a similar set from a company.  The pair I 
purchased costs $16, American, $12 after a $4 discount.  The pair I ordered had 
about 300 Amazon reviews.  One of the features that people like is the fact 
that they fit snuggly around the head.

While I liked the sound of the earphones, the band was just too tight for 
comfort.  (I guess I have a big head, eh?)  (smile).

So, I returned them and ordered a mainstream brand, one that is marked as 
Amazon Choice with over 44000 reviews at 4.3 out of 5 stars.  They should be 
here on Tuesday.  The design is a little bit different but the concept is the 
same.

Once I find a pair that I like, I will post a link to the group, in this thread.

Mark




-Original Message-
From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. 
Taylor
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2023 10:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

Hi Sieghard,

Great  Thank you for posting the link to these.

I was afraid of purchasing the wrong model.

“You’re a good man, Charlie Brown.”  (smile).

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2023 10:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

No highs and no lows, must be Bose

Anyways, I tried to look up the Bose Sleep Pods you mentioned and all I could 
find was references and reviews for a product called Bose Sleepbuds which is 
some sort of noise cancelling, white noise-making gadget which most reviews say 
is way overpriced.

Here is a link on Amazon Canada for a set of the wireless sleep headband I 
mentioned before and they don't break the bank:

RE: When It Comes to iPhone, Are You All Thumbs?

[Christopher Chaltain]

For me, the reason I like using my thumbs is that since the phone is anchored 
to both palms, my thumbs are always in the same position relative to the 
phone's screen. It's easier for me to keep my thumbs oriented to the screen. If 
I'm holding the phone in one hand, my pointer finger can sometimes wonder a 
bit. I still use my pointer finger to navigate around the screen, so I do 
sometimes lose some time readjusting my phone to go from typing to exploring. 
Again, this is the method I've settled on, and I'm sharing it in case it helps 
someone else, but I'm in no means implying that this is the best way to type. 
The best way to type is whatever works for someone.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
Chaltain at Outlook, USA

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donna 
Casteen
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2023 1:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: When It Comes to iPhone, Are You All Thumbs?

I tried using my thumbs to enter text on my phone & found it to be unnatural 
feeling. I have been an iPhone user since 2009 & have always held my phone in 
my left hand while typing with my right pointer finger. Or maybe it doesn't 
seem comfortable or natural because I don't adapt to change very well.

Donna
 
> 
> Hi all. Interesting thread. When using the onscreen keyboard I primarily use 
> my right index finger. I also use M Braille or dictation. I make myself use 
> the onscreen keyboard for short messages just to keep in practice. 
> God bless!
> Paula and the pups 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. 
> Taylor
> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2023 1:55 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: When It Comes to iPhone, Are You All Thumbs?
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> A friend of mine and I got into a discussion about how we type in iOS, when 
> sending text messages.
> 
> It started when she asked me if I use my thumbs to type.  Even though I know 
> that a great many people use their thumbs to enter text on iPhone, personally 
> I find the technique slow and awkward.
> 
> How do I enter text in iOS?
> 
> First, I keep my VoiceOver typing mode set to "Touch Typing."
> 
> Second, I use a folio case.  Not only does such a case cover the display when 
> not in use, it also provides a nifty way to balance the phone in one hand, 
> fingers-free.
> 
> When entering text, I open the case, kind of like a book, with the wallet 
> side to the left and the phone to the right.  I position the phone case in 
> the crook of my left hand (where the base of my thumb meets my hand) so that 
> the back of the phone, in the case of course, is resting against the palm of 
> my left hand, leaving all five digits on my left hand, free.  
> 
> The wallet side of the case acts as a kind of counter balance so that the 
> phone does not slip out of my hand, even when the phone is tilted, off-axis, 
> so to speak.
> 
> I use my left thumb to access the letters and numbers, located on the left 
> side of the onscreen keyboard and the index finger of my right hand, to 
> access the letters and numbers located on the right side of the onscreen 
> keyboard.
> 
> I hold the phone in the exact same way when using Slide-to-Type; except in 
> that instance, I use my right index finger, only.
> 
> Okay, that's my method for entering text on iPhone.  
> 
> How about you?  What technique do you use to enter text in iOS?
> 
> When it come to iPhone, are you all thumbs? (smile).
> 
> Mark
> 
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RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

[Christopher Chaltain]

I have two different brands, so I'm assuming we're talking about one of them. 
The answer is the same for both brands. The band is about as wide as my palm. 
It's a little wider around the ears and a bit narrower as it goes around the 
front and back of the head. It doesn't slide around much for me, but sometimes 
I'll adjust the front to reposition the controls, which are on your forehead, 
and that'll cause the band to slip over my eyes a bit. This doesn't happen if I 
don't adjust the band though.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
Chaltain at Outlook, USA

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
paekstr...@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2023 3:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

Hi Mark,

I am considering getting this and have a couple of questions.  Does it slide 
around on your head easily?  I am asking because I wouldn't want it sliding 
down over my eyes like a sleep mask as I don't like anything on my face.  

Also, how wide is the band?

I am used to wearing wired or wireless ear buds, and I am not sure how 
constricting this would feel on my head.  I may just try it out and see.

Thanks,
Pam

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2023 7:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

Hello All,

Okay, I received the second headband Bluetooth headset, earlier today, and I 
absolutely love them.  The fit is amazing, the micro-fiber material from which 
they are made is stretchable and the quality of the hardware is far superior 
than the first set I tried.

Unlike the first set, which I returned, this new set is USBC compatible.  

I agree with one of the 44000 reviewers who stated that this brand must be the 
original company from which all of the knock-offs, sprang.

Here is the Amazon description along with the Amazon, US link:

Perytong Sleep Headphones Wireless, Bluetooth Sports Headband Headphones with 
Ultra-Thin HD Stereo Speakers Perfect for Sleeping, Workout, Jogging, Yoga, 
Insomnia, Air Travel, Meditation.

https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2Fdp%2FB08R7439SN%3Fref_%3Dcm_sw_r_apin_dp_GHR7N550GET3XZ87DHH9=05%7C01%7C%7Ccbe830cad1af4953b09608daf998eff1%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C638096732501372331%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=aiLVtr915viTVD1PsHjry%2FxTxVZe3uO5Bzdo8mD%2F9ns%3D=0

Enjoy,

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2023 10:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

Hi Sieghard,

Yes, it was some kind of micro-fiber but it had almost no give / stretch at 
all.It felt more like a tourniquet than a headband, (smile).

I just looked it up and the brand was CenGoes.  As I said, the cost was $12 USD.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2023 9:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

When you say "band" what material is that? The ones we have are some sort of 
microfiber or other fabric.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2023 5:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

Hello Sieghard and Everyone,

Sieghard, I ordered the Bluetooth set of the wireless sleep headband you 
mentioned and for which you provided a link.

I could not use the link you provided to order the set but copied the brand 
name and found what I believe to be a similar set from a company.  The pair I 
purchased costs $16, American, $12 after a $4 discount.  The pair I ordered had 
about 300 Amazon reviews.  One of the features that people like is the fact 
that they fit snuggly around the head.

While I liked the sound of the earphones, the band was just too tight for 
comfort.  (I guess I have a big head, eh?)  (smile).

So, I returned them and ordered a mainstream brand, one that is marked as 
Amazon Choice with over 44000 reviews at 4.3 out of 5 stars.  They should be 
here on Tuesday.  The design is a little bit different but the concept is the 
same.

Once I find a pair that I like, I will post a link to the group, in this thread.

Mark




-Original Message-
From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. 
Taylor
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2023 10:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

Hi Sieghard,

Great  Thank you for posting the link to these.

I was afraid of purchasing the wrong model.

"You're a good man, Charlie Brown."  (smile).

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2023 10:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com

RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

[paekstrand]

Hi Mark,

I am considering getting this and have a couple of questions.  Does it slide 
around on your head easily?  I am asking because I wouldn't want it sliding 
down over my eyes like a sleep mask as I don't like anything on my face.  

Also, how wide is the band?

I am used to wearing wired or wireless ear buds, and I am not sure how 
constricting this would feel on my head.  I may just try it out and see.

Thanks,
Pam

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2023 7:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

Hello All,

Okay, I received the second headband Bluetooth headset, earlier today, and I 
absolutely love them.  The fit is amazing, the micro-fiber material from which 
they are made is stretchable and the quality of the hardware is far superior 
than the first set I tried.

Unlike the first set, which I returned, this new set is USBC compatible.  

I agree with one of the 44000 reviewers who stated that this brand must be the 
original company from which all of the knock-offs, sprang.

Here is the Amazon description along with the Amazon, US link:

Perytong Sleep Headphones Wireless, Bluetooth Sports Headband Headphones with 
Ultra-Thin HD Stereo Speakers Perfect for Sleeping, Workout, Jogging, Yoga, 
Insomnia, Air Travel, Meditation.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08R7439SN?ref_=cm_sw_r_apin_dp_GHR7N550GET3XZ87DHH9

Enjoy,

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2023 10:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

Hi Sieghard,

Yes, it was some kind of micro-fiber but it had almost no give / stretch at 
all.It felt more like a tourniquet than a headband, (smile).

I just looked it up and the brand was CenGoes.  As I said, the cost was $12 USD.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2023 9:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

When you say "band" what material is that? The ones we have are some sort of 
microfiber or other fabric.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2023 5:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

Hello Sieghard and Everyone,

Sieghard, I ordered the Bluetooth set of the wireless sleep headband you 
mentioned and for which you provided a link.

I could not use the link you provided to order the set but copied the brand 
name and found what I believe to be a similar set from a company.  The pair I 
purchased costs $16, American, $12 after a $4 discount.  The pair I ordered had 
about 300 Amazon reviews.  One of the features that people like is the fact 
that they fit snuggly around the head.

While I liked the sound of the earphones, the band was just too tight for 
comfort.  (I guess I have a big head, eh?)  (smile).

So, I returned them and ordered a mainstream brand, one that is marked as 
Amazon Choice with over 44000 reviews at 4.3 out of 5 stars.  They should be 
here on Tuesday.  The design is a little bit different but the concept is the 
same.

Once I find a pair that I like, I will post a link to the group, in this thread.

Mark




-Original Message-
From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. 
Taylor
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2023 10:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

Hi Sieghard,

Great  Thank you for posting the link to these.

I was afraid of purchasing the wrong model.

“You’re a good man, Charlie Brown.”  (smile).

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2023 10:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

No highs and no lows, must be Bose

Anyways, I tried to look up the Bose Sleep Pods you mentioned and all I could 
find was references and reviews for a product called Bose Sleepbuds which is 
some sort of noise cancelling, white noise-making gadget which most reviews say 
is way overpriced.

Here is a link on Amazon Canada for a set of the wireless sleep headband I 
mentioned before and they don't break the bank:

https://www.amazon.ca/Bluetooth-Headband-Headphones-Wireless-Sleeping/dp/B0B45VPMT4/ref=sr_1_14?crid=2ER2YK4XT7K9S=bose+sleep+pods=1673244663=bose+sleep+pods%2Caps%2C137=8-14


-Original Message-
From: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2023 7:16 PM
To: mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com
Cc: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

Hello Simon,

Your post made me smile.  

I will definitely check out those sleep pods.

I have never herd of them, until now.

Thank  you.

Mark

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From: 

Re: Problems with the Bard app

[Joshua Hendrickson]

Bard will be down a little while longer.  It might be back by 7:00
Eastern tonight.  I just saw this message from Don Olson on a bard
email list I'm part of.

On 1/18/23, Barbara Stahl  wrote:
> Oh okay. Well, that explains it lol.  The last time that I used the Bard app
> before today was on monday, but I did not see a message like that then.
> However that was on my iPod and I had it in airplane mode to save battery
> life
>
>> On Jan 18, 2023, at 12:22 PM, Richard Turner 
>> wrote:
>>
>> There has been a notification everytime I opened the app for the last
>> couple of days informing us it would be off lie this morning.
>> Wait until afternoon and try again.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard, USA.
>> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with
>> it.”  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the
>> Universe
>>
>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Barbara Stahl
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2023 9:20 AM
>> To: Viphone 
>> Subject: Problems with the Bard app
>>
>> Is anyone else having any trouble with the bard app?  I tried to look up a
>> title today and it just brought up the library of congress webpage and
>> says that the page that I'm looking for cannot be found.  It also shows my
>> wish list to be empty when in reality there are at least 50 titles there.
>> Is anyone else experiencing these issues?
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Re: Problems with the Bard app

[Barbara Stahl]

Oh okay. Well, that explains it lol.  The last time that I used the Bard app 
before today was on monday, but I did not see a message like that then.   
However that was on my iPod and I had it in airplane mode to save battery life

> On Jan 18, 2023, at 12:22 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> There has been a notification everytime I opened the app for the last couple 
> of days informing us it would be off lie this morning.
> Wait until afternoon and try again.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard, USA.
> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
> --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
> 
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Barbara Stahl
> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2023 9:20 AM
> To: Viphone 
> Subject: Problems with the Bard app
> 
> Is anyone else having any trouble with the bard app?  I tried to look up a 
> title today and it just brought up the library of congress webpage and says 
> that the page that I'm looking for cannot be found.  It also shows my wish 
> list to be empty when in reality there are at least 50 titles there.  Is 
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Re: When It Comes to iPhone, Are You All Thumbs?

[Donna Casteen]

I tried using my thumbs to enter text on my phone & found it to be unnatural 
feeling. I have been an iPhone user since 2009 & have always held my phone in 
my left hand while typing with my right pointer finger. Or maybe it doesn't 
seem comfortable or natural because I don't adapt to change very well.

Donna
 
> 
> Hi all. Interesting thread. When using the onscreen keyboard I primarily use 
> my right index finger. I also use M Braille or dictation. I make myself use 
> the onscreen keyboard for short messages just to keep in practice. 
> God bless!
> Paula and the pups 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. 
> Taylor
> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2023 1:55 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: When It Comes to iPhone, Are You All Thumbs?
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> A friend of mine and I got into a discussion about how we type in iOS, when 
> sending text messages.
> 
> It started when she asked me if I use my thumbs to type.  Even though I know 
> that a great many people use their thumbs to enter text on iPhone, personally 
> I find the technique slow and awkward.
> 
> How do I enter text in iOS?
> 
> First, I keep my VoiceOver typing mode set to "Touch Typing."
> 
> Second, I use a folio case.  Not only does such a case cover the display when 
> not in use, it also provides a nifty way to balance the phone in one hand, 
> fingers-free.
> 
> When entering text, I open the case, kind of like a book, with the wallet 
> side to the left and the phone to the right.  I position the phone case in 
> the crook of my left hand (where the base of my thumb meets my hand) so that 
> the back of the phone, in the case of course, is resting against the palm of 
> my left hand, leaving all five digits on my left hand, free.  
> 
> The wallet side of the case acts as a kind of counter balance so that the 
> phone does not slip out of my hand, even when the phone is tilted, off-axis, 
> so to speak.
> 
> I use my left thumb to access the letters and numbers, located on the left 
> side of the onscreen keyboard and the index finger of my right hand, to 
> access the letters and numbers located on the right side of the onscreen 
> keyboard.
> 
> I hold the phone in the exact same way when using Slide-to-Type; except in 
> that instance, I use my right index finger, only.
> 
> Okay, that's my method for entering text on iPhone.  
> 
> How about you?  What technique do you use to enter text in iOS?
> 
> When it come to iPhone, are you all thumbs? (smile).
> 
> Mark
> 
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RE: When It Comes to iPhone, Are You All Thumbs?

[Christopher Chaltain]

I'm also not interested in doing something just because that's the way sighted 
people do it. In my case, after my children explained what they do, and I tried 
it myself, I decided it was more efficient for me to type that way. Just as I 
won't do something just because sighted people do it that way, I'm also not 
going to rule out trying something the way a sighted person does it.

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Chaltain at Outlook, USA

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kathy 
Brandt
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2023 8:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: When It Comes to iPhone, Are You All Thumbs?

When I got my first iPod, training wheels for my iPhone, somehow always used 
right index finger; never occurred to me to use my thumbs. when I heard of 
people doing this, didn’t occur to me to switch. I’m not interested in doing 
something just because that’s the way sighted people do it.

On Jan 18, 2023, at 9:00 AM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:

I do use my thumbs. My sighted children showed me how to do it. I place the 
phone so that each bottom corner is in the palm of one of my hands. My fingers 
reach around behind the phone to cradle it. I then use my thumbs to type, with 
my left thumb reaching the keys on the left and so on.

For longer bouts of typing, I'll use braille screen input, my Orbit Writer or a 
Logitech keyboard.

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Chaltain at Outlook, USA

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Gerardo 
Corripio
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2023 7:29 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: When It Comes to iPhone, Are You All Thumbs?

Holding the phone in my left hand, I use the 3 fingers (Index, Middle, and 
Ring), and depending on what letter I'm typing, the finger: for the A, Q, W, S, 
i, I use the Index; for the E, D, F, R, etc., the middle but sometimes the 
Index. And for the rest of the letters, I use either the Index or middle 
finger. To switch between letters and numbwiths, I use the Index finger. And 
for the Enter, I use the Ring finger.

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

> El 18 ene 2023, a la(s) 12:55 a.m., M. Taylor  escribió:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> A friend of mine and I got into a discussion about how we type in iOS, 
> when sending text messages.
> 
> It started when she asked me if I use my thumbs to type.  Even though 
> I know that a great many people use their thumbs to enter text on 
> iPhone, personally I find the technique slow and awkward.
> 
> How do I enter text in iOS?
> 
> First, I keep my VoiceOver typing mode set to "Touch Typing."
> 
> Second, I use a folio case.  Not only does such a case cover the 
> display when not in use, it also provides a nifty way to balance the 
> phone in one hand, fingers-free.
> 
> When entering text, I open the case, kind of like a book, with the 
> wallet side to the left and the phone to the right.  I position the 
> phone case in the crook of my left hand (where the base of my thumb 
> meets my hand) so that the back of the phone, in the case of course, 
> is resting against the palm of my left hand, leaving all five digits on my 
> left hand, free.
> 
> The wallet side of the case acts as a kind of counter balance so that 
> the phone does not slip out of my hand, even when the phone is tilted, 
> off-axis, so to speak.
> 
> I use my left thumb to access the letters and numbers, located on the 
> left side of the onscreen keyboard and the index finger of my right 
> hand, to access the letters and numbers located on the right side of 
> the onscreen keyboard.
> 
> I hold the phone in the exact same way when using Slide-to-Type; 
> except in that instance, I use my right index finger, only.
> 
> Okay, that's my method for entering text on iPhone.  
> 
> How about you?  What technique do you use to enter text in iOS?
> 
> When it come to iPhone, are you all thumbs? (smile).
> 
> Mark
> 
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RE: Braille Screen Input

[Christopher Chaltain]

For some reason, I thought you placed the three fingers from one hand down 
first and then the three fingers from the other hand, but this never worked for 
me! I'll try this method, but it doesn't seem like it saves too much over just 
typing the letters f, o and r. 

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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Chris 
Chaffin
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2023 9:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille Screen Input


I knew it was something like that, but I just could not get it to work.  I got 
it now.  I was not releasingmy fingers quick enough.

Thanks,

Chris
 


> On Jan 18, 2023, at 9:32 AM, Jennie Facer  wrote:
> 
> Hi Chris,
> 
> What you do is type a Q, then lift 1 finger, then type dot 6, then lift all 
> fingers.
> 
> Jenn
> 
> TO THE WORLD YOU ARE SOMEONE, BUT TO SOMEONE YOU ARE THE WORLD!
> 
>> On Jan 18, 2023, at 7:14 AM, Chris Chaffin  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> How do you type the word, f o r, for, using braille screen input on the 
>> iPhone, since it will not recognize using all six dots at the same time.  
>> Just having a little brain fog this morning, so any help with this would be 
>> appreciated.
>> 
>> 
>> Chris
>> 
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RE: When It Comes to iPhone, Are You All Thumbs?

[Dennis Long]

I agree with Joshua.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2023 6:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: When It Comes to iPhone, Are You All Thumbs?

Tom.  I highly recommend that you get the Hable One braille bluetooth keyboard. 
 The Hable when you type on the keyboard is based off of braille screen input.  
However, you can type on actual buttons, and not the phone keyboard itself.  
Good luck.

On 1/18/23, Tom Rash  wrote:
> Any tips on using the Braile screen input?  I tried it before, but it 
> seems I always have the screen turned the wrong way.  No matter what I 
> do, it seems like the Braille screen input doesn’t work for me.
>
>> On Jan 18, 2023, at 12:37 AM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
>>
>> I use braille screen input. I can type on the regular keyboard, but I 
>> am very slow. So, if it is more than a very few words, it is braille 
>> screen input. Ocasionally, I use dictation if I am in a quiet 
>> environment. I almost  never use Siri
>>
>> Arnold Schmidt
>>
>>
>> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 3
>>
>> On Jan 18, 2023, at 3:13 AM, Joshua Hendrickson 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I also use the Hable one to enter text and so much more with my 
>> iPhone.  It is great.
>>
>> On 1/18/23, Dennis Long  wrote:
>>> I use a very good and wonderful device called the Hable One.  It 
>>> allows me to control all functions of the iPhone without taking it 
>>> out of my pocket.
>>> You can ask questions and get more info at www.iamhable.com or by 
>>> subscribing to the following email list.
>>> hablecommunity+subscr...@groups.io
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>>> Of M.
>>> Taylor
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2023 1:55 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: When It Comes to iPhone, Are You All Thumbs?
>>>
>>> Hello All,
>>>
>>> A friend of mine and I got into a discussion about how we type in 
>>> iOS, when sending text messages.
>>>
>>> It started when she asked me if I use my thumbs to type.  Even 
>>> though I know that a great many people use their thumbs to enter 
>>> text on iPhone, personally I find the technique slow and awkward.
>>>
>>> How do I enter text in iOS?
>>>
>>> First, I keep my VoiceOver typing mode set to "Touch Typing."
>>>
>>> Second, I use a folio case.  Not only does such a case cover the 
>>> display when not in use, it also provides a nifty way to balance the 
>>> phone in one hand, fingers-free.
>>>
>>> When entering text, I open the case, kind of like a book, with the 
>>> wallet side to the left and the phone to the right.  I position the 
>>> phone case in the crook of my left hand (where the base of my thumb 
>>> meets my hand) so that the back of the phone, in the case of course, 
>>> is resting against the palm of my left hand, leaving all five digits 
>>> on my left hand, free.
>>>
>>> The wallet side of the case acts as a kind of counter balance so 
>>> that the phone does not slip out of my hand, even when the phone is 
>>> tilted, off-axis, so to speak.
>>>
>>> I use my left thumb to access the letters and numbers, located on 
>>> the left side of the onscreen keyboard and the index finger of my 
>>> right hand, to access the letters and numbers located on the right 
>>> side of the onscreen keyboard.
>>>
>>> I hold the phone in the exact same way when using Slide-to-Type; 
>>> except in that instance, I use my right index finger, only.
>>>
>>> Okay, that's my method for entering text on iPhone.
>>>
>>> How about you?  What technique do you use to enter text in iOS?
>>>
>>> When it come to iPhone, are you all thumbs? (smile).
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
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RE: Problems with the Bard app

[dandrews920]

The BARD outage has been extended until 7:00 p.m. this evening. I would guess 
that additional slippage is possible as the time has been extended twice.

Dave



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kathy 
Blackburn
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2023 11:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Problems with the Bard app

There have been notices for several days that BARD would be taken down starting 
at midnight last night. I don't remember how long the down time is expected to 
be.

Kathy Blackburn
kblac...@austin.rr.comOn Jan 18, 2023 11:19 AM, Barbara Stahl 
 wrote:
>
> Is anyone else having any trouble with the bard app?  I tried to look up a 
> title today and it just brought up the library of congress webpage and says 
> that the page that I'm looking for cannot be found.  It also shows my wish 
> list to be empty when in reality there are at least 50 titles there.  Is 
> anyone else experiencing these issues?  
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Re: Problems with the Bard app

[Kathy Blackburn]

There have been notices for several days that BARD would be taken down starting 
at midnight last night. I don't remember how long the down time is expected to 
be.

Kathy Blackburn
kblac...@austin.rr.comOn Jan 18, 2023 11:19 AM, Barbara Stahl 
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> Is anyone else having any trouble with the bard app?  I tried to look up a 
> title today and it just brought up the library of congress webpage and says 
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RE: Problems with the Bard app

[Richard Turner]

There has been a notification everytime I opened the app for the last couple of 
days informing us it would be off lie this morning.
Wait until afternoon and try again.




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To: Viphone 
Subject: Problems with the Bard app

Is anyone else having any trouble with the bard app?  I tried to look up a 
title today and it just brought up the library of congress webpage and says 
that the page that I'm looking for cannot be found.  It also shows my wish list 
to be empty when in reality there are at least 50 titles there.  Is anyone else 
experiencing these issues?  

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Problems with the Bard app

[Barbara Stahl]

Is anyone else having any trouble with the bard app?  I tried to look up a 
title today and it just brought up the library of congress webpage and says 
that the page that I'm looking for cannot be found.  It also shows my wish list 
to be empty when in reality there are at least 50 titles there.  Is anyone else 
experiencing these issues?  

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RE: When It Comes to iPhone, Are You All Thumbs?

[Paula Jordan]

Hi all. Interesting thread. When using the onscreen keyboard I primarily use my 
right index finger. I also use M Braille or dictation. I make myself use the 
onscreen keyboard for short messages just to keep in practice. 
God bless!
Paula and the pups 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2023 1:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: When It Comes to iPhone, Are You All Thumbs?

Hello All,

A friend of mine and I got into a discussion about how we type in iOS, when 
sending text messages.

It started when she asked me if I use my thumbs to type.  Even though I know 
that a great many people use their thumbs to enter text on iPhone, personally I 
find the technique slow and awkward.

How do I enter text in iOS?

First, I keep my VoiceOver typing mode set to "Touch Typing."

Second, I use a folio case.  Not only does such a case cover the display when 
not in use, it also provides a nifty way to balance the phone in one hand, 
fingers-free.

When entering text, I open the case, kind of like a book, with the wallet side 
to the left and the phone to the right.  I position the phone case in the crook 
of my left hand (where the base of my thumb meets my hand) so that the back of 
the phone, in the case of course, is resting against the palm of my left hand, 
leaving all five digits on my left hand, free.  

The wallet side of the case acts as a kind of counter balance so that the phone 
does not slip out of my hand, even when the phone is tilted, off-axis, so to 
speak.

I use my left thumb to access the letters and numbers, located on the left side 
of the onscreen keyboard and the index finger of my right hand, to access the 
letters and numbers located on the right side of the onscreen keyboard.

I hold the phone in the exact same way when using Slide-to-Type; except in that 
instance, I use my right index finger, only.

Okay, that's my method for entering text on iPhone.  

How about you?  What technique do you use to enter text in iOS?

When it come to iPhone, are you all thumbs? (smile).

Mark


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RE: When It Comes to iPhone, Are You All Thumbs?

[Carolyn]

That thumb idea, Chris sounds worth trying, thanks. 

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Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2023 9:01 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: When It Comes to iPhone, Are You All Thumbs?

I do use my thumbs. My sighted children showed me how to do it. I place the 
phone so that each bottom corner is in the palm of one of my hands. My fingers 
reach around behind the phone to cradle it. I then use my thumbs to type, with 
my left thumb reaching the keys on the left and so on.

For longer bouts of typing, I'll use braille screen input, my Orbit Writer or a 
Logitech keyboard.

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Chaltain at Outlook, USA

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Corripio
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2023 7:29 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: When It Comes to iPhone, Are You All Thumbs?

Holding the phone in my left hand, I use the 3 fingers (Index, Middle, and 
Ring), and depending on what letter I'm typing, the finger: for the A, Q, W, S, 
i, I use the Index; for the E, D, F, R, etc., the middle but sometimes the 
Index. And for the rest of the letters, I use either the Index or middle 
finger. To switch between letters and numbwiths, I use the Index finger. And 
for the Enter, I use the Ring finger.

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

> El 18 ene 2023, a la(s) 12:55 a.m., M. Taylor  escribió:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> A friend of mine and I got into a discussion about how we type in iOS, 
> when sending text messages.
> 
> It started when she asked me if I use my thumbs to type.  Even though 
> I know that a great many people use their thumbs to enter text on 
> iPhone, personally I find the technique slow and awkward.
> 
> How do I enter text in iOS?
> 
> First, I keep my VoiceOver typing mode set to "Touch Typing."
> 
> Second, I use a folio case.  Not only does such a case cover the 
> display when not in use, it also provides a nifty way to balance the 
> phone in one hand, fingers-free.
> 
> When entering text, I open the case, kind of like a book, with the 
> wallet side to the left and the phone to the right.  I position the 
> phone case in the crook of my left hand (where the base of my thumb 
> meets my hand) so that the back of the phone, in the case of course, 
> is resting against the palm of my left hand, leaving all five digits on my 
> left hand, free.
> 
> The wallet side of the case acts as a kind of counter balance so that 
> the phone does not slip out of my hand, even when the phone is tilted, 
> off-axis, so to speak.
> 
> I use my left thumb to access the letters and numbers, located on the 
> left side of the onscreen keyboard and the index finger of my right 
> hand, to access the letters and numbers located on the right side of 
> the onscreen keyboard.
> 
> I hold the phone in the exact same way when using Slide-to-Type; 
> except in that instance, I use my right index finger, only.
> 
> Okay, that's my method for entering text on iPhone.  
> 
> How about you?  What technique do you use to enter text in iOS?
> 
> When it come to iPhone, are you all thumbs? (smile).
> 
> Mark
> 
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RE: When It Comes to iPhone, Are You All Thumbs?

[Carolyn]

I do not have that kind of case, have another kind without a flap. I hold my 
phone in the left hand, and while I do use my thumb, sometimes to open apps or 
go through weather, stock, etc, I use my right forefinger to type on my phone's 
keyboard, would not have a peripheral. 

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M. Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2023 1:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: When It Comes to iPhone, Are You All Thumbs?

Hello All,

A friend of mine and I got into a discussion about how we type in iOS, when 
sending text messages.

It started when she asked me if I use my thumbs to type.  Even though I know 
that a great many people use their thumbs to enter text on iPhone, personally I 
find the technique slow and awkward.

How do I enter text in iOS?

First, I keep my VoiceOver typing mode set to "Touch Typing."

Second, I use a folio case.  Not only does such a case cover the display when 
not in use, it also provides a nifty way to balance the phone in one hand, 
fingers-free.

When entering text, I open the case, kind of like a book, with the wallet side 
to the left and the phone to the right.  I position the phone case in the crook 
of my left hand (where the base of my thumb meets my hand) so that the back of 
the phone, in the case of course, is resting against the palm of my left hand, 
leaving all five digits on my left hand, free.  

The wallet side of the case acts as a kind of counter balance so that the phone 
does not slip out of my hand, even when the phone is tilted, off-axis, so to 
speak.

I use my left thumb to access the letters and numbers, located on the left side 
of the onscreen keyboard and the index finger of my right hand, to access the 
letters and numbers located on the right side of the onscreen keyboard.

I hold the phone in the exact same way when using Slide-to-Type; except in that 
instance, I use my right index finger, only.

Okay, that's my method for entering text on iPhone.  

How about you?  What technique do you use to enter text in iOS?

When it come to iPhone, are you all thumbs? (smile).

Mark


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how to get to play next queue in apple podcasts?

[Star Gazer]

How do I do this? I can't seem to figure out how to get to my play next
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Re: When It Comes to iPhone, Are You All Thumbs?

[Esther Levegnale]

I also do use Siri for dictation. I think he is great as well. Esther

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!

> On Jan 18, 2023, at 9:42 AM, Barbara Stahl  
> wrote:
> 
> I have tried using my thumbs to type a couple of times just because I have 
> heard that lots of people type that way. However, I found it to be extremely 
> awkward.  Whenever possible, I use my M braille app to enter text. Its great 
> and so much faster than typing on the keyboard. In fact, I used this app to 
> type out this message.  I only use the keyboard when its absolutely 
> necessary. When I do use it, I use my index fingers.  Otherwise, I use the 
> dictation feature and seri for very short messages.  
> 
>> On Jan 18, 2023, at 9:00 AM, Christopher Chaltain  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I do use my thumbs. My sighted children showed me how to do it. I place the 
>> phone so that each bottom corner is in the palm of one of my hands. My 
>> fingers reach around behind the phone to cradle it. I then use my thumbs to 
>> type, with my left thumb reaching the keys on the left and so on.
>> 
>> For longer bouts of typing, I'll use braille screen input, my Orbit Writer 
>> or a Logitech keyboard.
>> 
>> --
>> Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
>> Chaltain at Outlook, USA
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Gerardo Corripio
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2023 7:29 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: When It Comes to iPhone, Are You All Thumbs?
>> 
>> Holding the phone in my left hand, I use the 3 fingers (Index, Middle, and 
>> Ring), and depending on what letter I'm typing, the finger: for the A, Q, W, 
>> S, i, I use the Index; for the E, D, F, R, etc., the middle but sometimes 
>> the Index. And for the rest of the letters, I use either the Index or middle 
>> finger. To switch between letters and numbwiths, I use the Index finger. And 
>> for the Enter, I use the Ring finger.
>> 
>> Gera
>> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel
>> 
>>> El 18 ene 2023, a la(s) 12:55 a.m., M. Taylor  escribió:
>>> 
>>> Hello All,
>>> 
>>> A friend of mine and I got into a discussion about how we type in iOS, 
>>> when sending text messages.
>>> 
>>> It started when she asked me if I use my thumbs to type.  Even though 
>>> I know that a great many people use their thumbs to enter text on 
>>> iPhone, personally I find the technique slow and awkward.
>>> 
>>> How do I enter text in iOS?
>>> 
>>> First, I keep my VoiceOver typing mode set to "Touch Typing."
>>> 
>>> Second, I use a folio case.  Not only does such a case cover the 
>>> display when not in use, it also provides a nifty way to balance the 
>>> phone in one hand, fingers-free.
>>> 
>>> When entering text, I open the case, kind of like a book, with the 
>>> wallet side to the left and the phone to the right.  I position the 
>>> phone case in the crook of my left hand (where the base of my thumb 
>>> meets my hand) so that the back of the phone, in the case of course, 
>>> is resting against the palm of my left hand, leaving all five digits on my 
>>> left hand, free.
>>> 
>>> The wallet side of the case acts as a kind of counter balance so that 
>>> the phone does not slip out of my hand, even when the phone is tilted, 
>>> off-axis, so to speak.
>>> 
>>> I use my left thumb to access the letters and numbers, located on the 
>>> left side of the onscreen keyboard and the index finger of my right 
>>> hand, to access the letters and numbers located on the right side of 
>>> the onscreen keyboard.
>>> 
>>> I hold the phone in the exact same way when using Slide-to-Type; 
>>> except in that instance, I use my right index finger, only.
>>> 
>>> Okay, that's my method for entering text on iPhone.  
>>> 
>>> How about you?  What technique do you use to enter text in iOS?
>>> 
>>> When it come to iPhone, are you all thumbs? (smile).
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
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Re: Braille Screen Input

[Chris Chaffin]

I knew it was something like that, but I just could not get it to work.  I got 
it now.  I was not releasingmy fingers quick enough.

Thanks,

Chris
 


> On Jan 18, 2023, at 9:32 AM, Jennie Facer  wrote:
> 
> Hi Chris,
> 
> What you do is type a Q, then lift 1 finger, then type dot 6, then lift all 
> fingers.
> 
> Jenn
> 
> TO THE WORLD YOU ARE SOMEONE, BUT TO SOMEONE YOU ARE THE WORLD!
> 
>> On Jan 18, 2023, at 7:14 AM, Chris Chaffin  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> How do you type the word, f o r, for, using braille screen input on the 
>> iPhone, since it will not recognize using all six dots at the same time.  
>> Just having a little brain fog this morning, so any help with this would be 
>> appreciated.
>> 
>> 
>> Chris
>> 
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Re: When It Comes to iPhone, Are You All Thumbs?

[Esther Levegnale]

wow, that's pretty neat. I use what is called a split tap. I put one finger on 
the letter, then with the next finger I use it to type the letter in. I really 
like that method. Sometimes I even dictate, but I try to use the split tap 
method just to keep in practice. Esther

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> On Jan 18, 2023, at 9:01 AM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> I do use my thumbs. My sighted children showed me how to do it. I place the 
> phone so that each bottom corner is in the palm of one of my hands. My 
> fingers reach around behind the phone to cradle it. I then use my thumbs to 
> type, with my left thumb reaching the keys on the left and so on.
> 
> For longer bouts of typing, I'll use braille screen input, my Orbit Writer or 
> a Logitech keyboard.
> 
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> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Gerardo Corripio
> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2023 7:29 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: When It Comes to iPhone, Are You All Thumbs?
> 
> Holding the phone in my left hand, I use the 3 fingers (Index, Middle, and 
> Ring), and depending on what letter I'm typing, the finger: for the A, Q, W, 
> S, i, I use the Index; for the E, D, F, R, etc., the middle but sometimes the 
> Index. And for the rest of the letters, I use either the Index or middle 
> finger. To switch between letters and numbwiths, I use the Index finger. And 
> for the Enter, I use the Ring finger.
> 
> Gera
> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel
> 
>> El 18 ene 2023, a la(s) 12:55 a.m., M. Taylor  escribió:
>> 
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> A friend of mine and I got into a discussion about how we type in iOS, 
>> when sending text messages.
>> 
>> It started when she asked me if I use my thumbs to type.  Even though 
>> I know that a great many people use their thumbs to enter text on 
>> iPhone, personally I find the technique slow and awkward.
>> 
>> How do I enter text in iOS?
>> 
>> First, I keep my VoiceOver typing mode set to "Touch Typing."
>> 
>> Second, I use a folio case.  Not only does such a case cover the 
>> display when not in use, it also provides a nifty way to balance the 
>> phone in one hand, fingers-free.
>> 
>> When entering text, I open the case, kind of like a book, with the 
>> wallet side to the left and the phone to the right.  I position the 
>> phone case in the crook of my left hand (where the base of my thumb 
>> meets my hand) so that the back of the phone, in the case of course, 
>> is resting against the palm of my left hand, leaving all five digits on my 
>> left hand, free.
>> 
>> The wallet side of the case acts as a kind of counter balance so that 
>> the phone does not slip out of my hand, even when the phone is tilted, 
>> off-axis, so to speak.
>> 
>> I use my left thumb to access the letters and numbers, located on the 
>> left side of the onscreen keyboard and the index finger of my right 
>> hand, to access the letters and numbers located on the right side of 
>> the onscreen keyboard.
>> 
>> I hold the phone in the exact same way when using Slide-to-Type; 
>> except in that instance, I use my right index finger, only.
>> 
>> Okay, that's my method for entering text on iPhone.  
>> 
>> How about you?  What technique do you use to enter text in iOS?
>> 
>> When it come to iPhone, are you all thumbs? (smile).
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
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Re: App to detect expiration dates

['Tony Acosta' via VIPhone]

Yes.


El 18/01/2023 a las 14:32, Laury, Shawnese (LEO) escribió:


Would this be expiration dates of food items?

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Hello group, greetings from Spain.
I don't know if you know of an application that allows you to detect 
its expiration date through a product scan and tells you out loud.
The application is the following, if you do not know it, I hope it 
will be useful to you.

Zuzanka
https://apps.apple.com/app/id6444279925 



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Re: When It Comes to iPhone, Are You All Thumbs?

[Kathy Brandt]

When I got my first iPod, training wheels for my iPhone, somehow always used 
right index finger; never occurred to me to use my thumbs. when I heard of 
people doing this, didn’t occur to me to switch. I’m not interested in doing 
something just because that’s the way sighted people do it.

On Jan 18, 2023, at 9:00 AM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:

I do use my thumbs. My sighted children showed me how to do it. I place the 
phone so that each bottom corner is in the palm of one of my hands. My fingers 
reach around behind the phone to cradle it. I then use my thumbs to type, with 
my left thumb reaching the keys on the left and so on.

For longer bouts of typing, I'll use braille screen input, my Orbit Writer or a 
Logitech keyboard.

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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Gerardo 
Corripio
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: When It Comes to iPhone, Are You All Thumbs?

Holding the phone in my left hand, I use the 3 fingers (Index, Middle, and 
Ring), and depending on what letter I'm typing, the finger: for the A, Q, W, S, 
i, I use the Index; for the E, D, F, R, etc., the middle but sometimes the 
Index. And for the rest of the letters, I use either the Index or middle 
finger. To switch between letters and numbwiths, I use the Index finger. And 
for the Enter, I use the Ring finger.

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

> El 18 ene 2023, a la(s) 12:55 a.m., M. Taylor  escribió:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> A friend of mine and I got into a discussion about how we type in iOS, 
> when sending text messages.
> 
> It started when she asked me if I use my thumbs to type.  Even though 
> I know that a great many people use their thumbs to enter text on 
> iPhone, personally I find the technique slow and awkward.
> 
> How do I enter text in iOS?
> 
> First, I keep my VoiceOver typing mode set to "Touch Typing."
> 
> Second, I use a folio case.  Not only does such a case cover the 
> display when not in use, it also provides a nifty way to balance the 
> phone in one hand, fingers-free.
> 
> When entering text, I open the case, kind of like a book, with the 
> wallet side to the left and the phone to the right.  I position the 
> phone case in the crook of my left hand (where the base of my thumb 
> meets my hand) so that the back of the phone, in the case of course, 
> is resting against the palm of my left hand, leaving all five digits on my 
> left hand, free.
> 
> The wallet side of the case acts as a kind of counter balance so that 
> the phone does not slip out of my hand, even when the phone is tilted, 
> off-axis, so to speak.
> 
> I use my left thumb to access the letters and numbers, located on the 
> left side of the onscreen keyboard and the index finger of my right 
> hand, to access the letters and numbers located on the right side of 
> the onscreen keyboard.
> 
> I hold the phone in the exact same way when using Slide-to-Type; 
> except in that instance, I use my right index finger, only.
> 
> Okay, that's my method for entering text on iPhone.  
> 
> How about you?  What technique do you use to enter text in iOS?
> 
> When it come to iPhone, are you all thumbs? (smile).
> 
> Mark
> 
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Re: When It Comes to iPhone, Are You All Thumbs?

[Barbara Stahl]

I have tried using my thumbs to type a couple of times just because I have 
heard that lots of people type that way. However, I found it to be extremely 
awkward.  Whenever possible, I use my M braille app to enter text. Its great 
and so much faster than typing on the keyboard. In fact, I used this app to 
type out this message.  I only use the keyboard when its absolutely necessary. 
When I do use it, I use my index fingers.  Otherwise, I use the dictation 
feature and seri for very short messages.  

> On Jan 18, 2023, at 9:00 AM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> I do use my thumbs. My sighted children showed me how to do it. I place the 
> phone so that each bottom corner is in the palm of one of my hands. My 
> fingers reach around behind the phone to cradle it. I then use my thumbs to 
> type, with my left thumb reaching the keys on the left and so on.
> 
> For longer bouts of typing, I'll use braille screen input, my Orbit Writer or 
> a Logitech keyboard.
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
> Chaltain at Outlook, USA
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Gerardo Corripio
> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2023 7:29 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: When It Comes to iPhone, Are You All Thumbs?
> 
> Holding the phone in my left hand, I use the 3 fingers (Index, Middle, and 
> Ring), and depending on what letter I'm typing, the finger: for the A, Q, W, 
> S, i, I use the Index; for the E, D, F, R, etc., the middle but sometimes the 
> Index. And for the rest of the letters, I use either the Index or middle 
> finger. To switch between letters and numbwiths, I use the Index finger. And 
> for the Enter, I use the Ring finger.
> 
> Gera
> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel
> 
>> El 18 ene 2023, a la(s) 12:55 a.m., M. Taylor  escribió:
>> 
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> A friend of mine and I got into a discussion about how we type in iOS, 
>> when sending text messages.
>> 
>> It started when she asked me if I use my thumbs to type.  Even though 
>> I know that a great many people use their thumbs to enter text on 
>> iPhone, personally I find the technique slow and awkward.
>> 
>> How do I enter text in iOS?
>> 
>> First, I keep my VoiceOver typing mode set to "Touch Typing."
>> 
>> Second, I use a folio case.  Not only does such a case cover the 
>> display when not in use, it also provides a nifty way to balance the 
>> phone in one hand, fingers-free.
>> 
>> When entering text, I open the case, kind of like a book, with the 
>> wallet side to the left and the phone to the right.  I position the 
>> phone case in the crook of my left hand (where the base of my thumb 
>> meets my hand) so that the back of the phone, in the case of course, 
>> is resting against the palm of my left hand, leaving all five digits on my 
>> left hand, free.
>> 
>> The wallet side of the case acts as a kind of counter balance so that 
>> the phone does not slip out of my hand, even when the phone is tilted, 
>> off-axis, so to speak.
>> 
>> I use my left thumb to access the letters and numbers, located on the 
>> left side of the onscreen keyboard and the index finger of my right 
>> hand, to access the letters and numbers located on the right side of 
>> the onscreen keyboard.
>> 
>> I hold the phone in the exact same way when using Slide-to-Type; 
>> except in that instance, I use my right index finger, only.
>> 
>> Okay, that's my method for entering text on iPhone.  
>> 
>> How about you?  What technique do you use to enter text in iOS?
>> 
>> When it come to iPhone, are you all thumbs? (smile).
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
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Re: Braille Screen Input

[Jennie Facer]

Hi Chris,

What you do is type a Q, then lift 1 finger, then type dot 6, then lift all 
fingers.

Jenn

TO THE WORLD YOU ARE SOMEONE, BUT TO SOMEONE YOU ARE THE WORLD!

> On Jan 18, 2023, at 7:14 AM, Chris Chaffin  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> How do you type the word, f o r, for, using braille screen input on the 
> iPhone, since it will not recognize using all six dots at the same time.  
> Just having a little brain fog this morning, so any help with this would be 
> appreciated.
> 
> 
> Chris
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RE: App to detect expiration dates

[Laury, Shawnese (LEO)]

Would this be expiration dates of food items?

From: 'Tony Acosta' via VIPhone 
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Hello group, greetings from Spain.
I don't know if you know of an application that allows you to detect its 
expiration date through a product scan and tells you out loud.
The application is the following, if you do not know it, I hope it will be 
useful to you.
Zuzanka
https://apps.apple.com/app/id6444279925
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App to detect expiration dates

['Tony Acosta' via VIPhone]

Hello group, greetings from Spain.
I don't know if you know of an application that allows you to detect its 
expiration date through a product scan and tells you out loud.
The application is the following, if you do not know it, I hope it will 
be useful to you.

Zuzanka
https://apps.apple.com/app/id6444279925

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Braille Screen Input

[Chris Chaffin]

How do you type the word, f o r, for, using braille screen input on the iPhone, 
since it will not recognize using all six dots at the same time.  Just having a 
little brain fog this morning, so any help with this would be appreciated.


Chris


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RE: When It Comes to iPhone, Are You All Thumbs?

[Christopher Chaltain]

I do use my thumbs. My sighted children showed me how to do it. I place the 
phone so that each bottom corner is in the palm of one of my hands. My fingers 
reach around behind the phone to cradle it. I then use my thumbs to type, with 
my left thumb reaching the keys on the left and so on.

For longer bouts of typing, I'll use braille screen input, my Orbit Writer or a 
Logitech keyboard.

--
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Chaltain at Outlook, USA

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Corripio
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2023 7:29 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: When It Comes to iPhone, Are You All Thumbs?

Holding the phone in my left hand, I use the 3 fingers (Index, Middle, and 
Ring), and depending on what letter I'm typing, the finger: for the A, Q, W, S, 
i, I use the Index; for the E, D, F, R, etc., the middle but sometimes the 
Index. And for the rest of the letters, I use either the Index or middle 
finger. To switch between letters and numbwiths, I use the Index finger. And 
for the Enter, I use the Ring finger.

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

> El 18 ene 2023, a la(s) 12:55 a.m., M. Taylor  escribió:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> A friend of mine and I got into a discussion about how we type in iOS, 
> when sending text messages.
> 
> It started when she asked me if I use my thumbs to type.  Even though 
> I know that a great many people use their thumbs to enter text on 
> iPhone, personally I find the technique slow and awkward.
> 
> How do I enter text in iOS?
> 
> First, I keep my VoiceOver typing mode set to "Touch Typing."
> 
> Second, I use a folio case.  Not only does such a case cover the 
> display when not in use, it also provides a nifty way to balance the 
> phone in one hand, fingers-free.
> 
> When entering text, I open the case, kind of like a book, with the 
> wallet side to the left and the phone to the right.  I position the 
> phone case in the crook of my left hand (where the base of my thumb 
> meets my hand) so that the back of the phone, in the case of course, 
> is resting against the palm of my left hand, leaving all five digits on my 
> left hand, free.
> 
> The wallet side of the case acts as a kind of counter balance so that 
> the phone does not slip out of my hand, even when the phone is tilted, 
> off-axis, so to speak.
> 
> I use my left thumb to access the letters and numbers, located on the 
> left side of the onscreen keyboard and the index finger of my right 
> hand, to access the letters and numbers located on the right side of 
> the onscreen keyboard.
> 
> I hold the phone in the exact same way when using Slide-to-Type; 
> except in that instance, I use my right index finger, only.
> 
> Okay, that's my method for entering text on iPhone.  
> 
> How about you?  What technique do you use to enter text in iOS?
> 
> When it come to iPhone, are you all thumbs? (smile).
> 
> Mark
> 
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Re: When It Comes to iPhone, Are You All Thumbs?

[Jennie Facer]

Hi all,

I wish I had my daughter’s thumbs. She can type very fast with them. Lol.
I use my right index finger for most of the typing that I do on the onscreen 
keyboard when i do that. I usually use my Hable One or a Bluetooth keyboard to 
type my stuff. I also use Braille Screen Input when i am lazy and don’t want to 
pull out my Hable One. Have a great day all!

Jenn

TO THE WORLD YOU ARE SOMEONE, BUT TO SOMEONE YOU ARE THE WORLD!

> On Jan 17, 2023, at 11:54 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> A friend of mine and I got into a discussion about how we type in iOS, when
> sending text messages.
> 
> It started when she asked me if I use my thumbs to type.  Even though I know
> that a great many people use their thumbs to enter text on iPhone,
> personally I find the technique slow and awkward.
> 
> How do I enter text in iOS?
> 
> First, I keep my VoiceOver typing mode set to "Touch Typing."
> 
> Second, I use a folio case.  Not only does such a case cover the display
> when not in use, it also provides a nifty way to balance the phone in one
> hand, fingers-free.
> 
> When entering text, I open the case, kind of like a book, with the wallet
> side to the left and the phone to the right.  I position the phone case in
> the crook of my left hand (where the base of my thumb meets my hand) so that
> the back of the phone, in the case of course, is resting against the palm of
> my left hand, leaving all five digits on my left hand, free.  
> 
> The wallet side of the case acts as a kind of counter balance so that the
> phone does not slip out of my hand, even when the phone is tilted, off-axis,
> so to speak.
> 
> I use my left thumb to access the letters and numbers, located on the left
> side of the onscreen keyboard and the index finger of my right hand, to
> access the letters and numbers located on the right side of the onscreen
> keyboard.
> 
> I hold the phone in the exact same way when using Slide-to-Type; except in
> that instance, I use my right index finger, only.
> 
> Okay, that's my method for entering text on iPhone.  
> 
> How about you?  What technique do you use to enter text in iOS?
> 
> When it come to iPhone, are you all thumbs? (smile).
> 
> Mark
> 
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Re: When It Comes to iPhone, Are You All Thumbs?

[Gerardo Corripio]

How could I've forgotten about "Braille Screen Input!"! I use this method too 
sometimes! It takes practice, though.

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

> El 18 ene 2023, a la(s) 2:37 a.m., Arnold Schmidt  
> escribió:
> 
> I use braille screen input. I can type on the regular keyboard, but I am 
> very slow. So, if it is more than a very few words, it is braille screen 
> input. Ocasionally, I use dictation if I am in a quiet environment. I almost  
> never use Siri  
> 
> Arnold Schmidt 
> 
> 
> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 3
> 
> On Jan 18, 2023, at 3:13 AM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
> 
> I also use the Hable one to enter text and so much more with my
> iPhone.  It is great.
> 
>> On 1/18/23, Dennis Long  wrote:
>> I use a very good and wonderful device called the Hable One.  It allows me
>> to control all functions of the iPhone without taking it out of my pocket.
>> You can ask questions and get more info at
>> www.iamhable.com
>> or by subscribing to the following email list.
>> hablecommunity+subscr...@groups.io
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M.
>> Taylor
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2023 1:55 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: When It Comes to iPhone, Are You All Thumbs?
>> 
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> A friend of mine and I got into a discussion about how we type in iOS, when
>> sending text messages.
>> 
>> It started when she asked me if I use my thumbs to type.  Even though I know
>> that a great many people use their thumbs to enter text on iPhone,
>> personally I find the technique slow and awkward.
>> 
>> How do I enter text in iOS?
>> 
>> First, I keep my VoiceOver typing mode set to "Touch Typing."
>> 
>> Second, I use a folio case.  Not only does such a case cover the display
>> when not in use, it also provides a nifty way to balance the phone in one
>> hand, fingers-free.
>> 
>> When entering text, I open the case, kind of like a book, with the wallet
>> side to the left and the phone to the right.  I position the phone case in
>> the crook of my left hand (where the base of my thumb meets my hand) so that
>> the back of the phone, in the case of course, is resting against the palm of
>> my left hand, leaving all five digits on my left hand, free.
>> 
>> The wallet side of the case acts as a kind of counter balance so that the
>> phone does not slip out of my hand, even when the phone is tilted, off-axis,
>> so to speak.
>> 
>> I use my left thumb to access the letters and numbers, located on the left
>> side of the onscreen keyboard and the index finger of my right hand, to
>> access the letters and numbers located on the right side of the onscreen
>> keyboard.
>> 
>> I hold the phone in the exact same way when using Slide-to-Type; except in
>> that instance, I use my right index finger, only.
>> 
>> Okay, that's my method for entering text on iPhone.
>> 
>> How about you?  What technique do you use to enter text in iOS?
>> 
>> When it come to iPhone, are you all thumbs? (smile).
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> 
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Re: When It Comes to iPhone, Are You All Thumbs?

[Gerardo Corripio]

Holding the phone in my left hand, I use the 3 fingers (Index, Middle, and 
Ring), and depending on what letter I'm typing, the finger: for the A, Q, W, S, 
i, I use the Index; for the E, D, F, R, etc., the middle but sometimes the 
Index. And for the rest of the letters, I use either the Index or middle 
finger. To switch between letters and numbwiths, I use the Index finger. And 
for the Enter, I use the Ring finger.

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

> El 18 ene 2023, a la(s) 12:55 a.m., M. Taylor  escribió:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> A friend of mine and I got into a discussion about how we type in iOS, when
> sending text messages.
> 
> It started when she asked me if I use my thumbs to type.  Even though I know
> that a great many people use their thumbs to enter text on iPhone,
> personally I find the technique slow and awkward.
> 
> How do I enter text in iOS?
> 
> First, I keep my VoiceOver typing mode set to "Touch Typing."
> 
> Second, I use a folio case.  Not only does such a case cover the display
> when not in use, it also provides a nifty way to balance the phone in one
> hand, fingers-free.
> 
> When entering text, I open the case, kind of like a book, with the wallet
> side to the left and the phone to the right.  I position the phone case in
> the crook of my left hand (where the base of my thumb meets my hand) so that
> the back of the phone, in the case of course, is resting against the palm of
> my left hand, leaving all five digits on my left hand, free.  
> 
> The wallet side of the case acts as a kind of counter balance so that the
> phone does not slip out of my hand, even when the phone is tilted, off-axis,
> so to speak.
> 
> I use my left thumb to access the letters and numbers, located on the left
> side of the onscreen keyboard and the index finger of my right hand, to
> access the letters and numbers located on the right side of the onscreen
> keyboard.
> 
> I hold the phone in the exact same way when using Slide-to-Type; except in
> that instance, I use my right index finger, only.
> 
> Okay, that's my method for entering text on iPhone.  
> 
> How about you?  What technique do you use to enter text in iOS?
> 
> When it come to iPhone, are you all thumbs? (smile).
> 
> Mark
> 
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Re: When It Comes to iPhone, Are You All Thumbs?

[Esther Levegnale]

I also use my pointer or index finger to type as well. Hope all of you have a 
super day! Esther

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!

> On Jan 18, 2023, at 5:29 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
> Wow, I couldn’t imagine using my thumbs to type. They’re way too big for 
> those small letters. I use my pointer finger usually, but also use other 
> fingers if they’re closing to, say, the delete, L, O, or return keys.
> Devin Prater
> r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com
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> Https://devinprater.micro.blog
> 
>> On Jan 18, 2023, at 12:54 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> A friend of mine and I got into a discussion about how we type in iOS, when
>> sending text messages.
>> 
>> It started when she asked me if I use my thumbs to type.  Even though I know
>> that a great many people use their thumbs to enter text on iPhone,
>> personally I find the technique slow and awkward.
>> 
>> How do I enter text in iOS?
>> 
>> First, I keep my VoiceOver typing mode set to "Touch Typing."
>> 
>> Second, I use a folio case.  Not only does such a case cover the display
>> when not in use, it also provides a nifty way to balance the phone in one
>> hand, fingers-free.
>> 
>> When entering text, I open the case, kind of like a book, with the wallet
>> side to the left and the phone to the right.  I position the phone case in
>> the crook of my left hand (where the base of my thumb meets my hand) so that
>> the back of the phone, in the case of course, is resting against the palm of
>> my left hand, leaving all five digits on my left hand, free.  
>> 
>> The wallet side of the case acts as a kind of counter balance so that the
>> phone does not slip out of my hand, even when the phone is tilted, off-axis,
>> so to speak.
>> 
>> I use my left thumb to access the letters and numbers, located on the left
>> side of the onscreen keyboard and the index finger of my right hand, to
>> access the letters and numbers located on the right side of the onscreen
>> keyboard.
>> 
>> I hold the phone in the exact same way when using Slide-to-Type; except in
>> that instance, I use my right index finger, only.
>> 
>> Okay, that's my method for entering text on iPhone.  
>> 
>> How about you?  What technique do you use to enter text in iOS?
>> 
>> When it come to iPhone, are you all thumbs? (smile).
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> 
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RE: Apple Quietly Launches a Selection of Audiobooks Voiced by an AI Robot, Mac Daily News

[literophilus]

Click on the following two links to listen to an audio sample:
Book 1:
https://books.apple.com/us/audiobook/id1640359031
book 2:
https://books.apple.com/us/audiobook/id1636546592

Best,
 Leo Bado

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Quietly Launches a Selection of Audiobooks Voiced by an AI 
Robot, Mac Daily News

Where can I find a sample of the AI Apple books?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 18, 2023, at 12:24 AM, Ketan Kothari  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Although I have yet not tried the AI narrated book could anyone please
> explain difference between a electronic voice such as vocallizer or
> eloquence synthesizer voice and AI narrated book?  Thank you.
> 
> Ketan Kothari from Mumbai India
> 
>> On 14/01/2023, Alan Lemly  wrote:
>> While I certainly want any AI rendered audiobooks to be of the highest
>> quality, this feels like the next phase of cost reduction by eliminating
>> human voice actors. I can't ever imagine an AI narrated book to be of the
>> same quality as a human narrated one and hope we'll continue to have a good
>> supply of human narrated audio for many years to come.
>> 
>> Alan Lemly
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M.
>> Taylor
>> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2023 8:30 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Apple Quietly Launches a Selection of Audiobooks Voiced by an AI
>> Robot, Mac Daily News
>> 
>> Hello Everyone,
>> 
>> I was Fascinated by this article so quickly went to Apple Books and explored
>> the selection.
>> 
>> I must say, I am amazed at the quality of the AI Rendering of the text.
>> 
>> While there are several free AI voiced audio books from which to choose, I
>> purchased a title called "WildWood" by Elinor Florence.
>> 
>> I will be posting a second article on this in a little while.
>> 
>> Enjoy,
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> Apple quietly launches a selection of audiobooks voiced by an AI robot
>> MacDailyNews - Friday, January 6, 2023 at 2:36 PM Apple quietly launches a
>> selection of audiobooks voiced by an AI robot Apple has quietly launched a
>> catalog of books narrated by an AI robot using artificial intelligence and
>> voice synthesis technologies it developed.
>> By Leyland Cecco, for The Guardian:
>> 
>> The popularity of the audiobook market has exploded in recent years, with
>> technology companies scrambling to gain a foothold. Sales last year jumped
>> 25%, bringing in more than $1.5bn. Industry insiders believe the global
>> market could be worth more than $35bn by 2030.
>> On the company's Books app, searching for "AI narration" reveals the
>> catalogue of works included in the scheme, which are described as being
>> "narrated by digital voice based on a human narrator".
>> 
>> Apple's development of AI to narrate books could represent a significant
>> shift in how major technology companies see the future of audiobooks.
>> Publishers, authors and literary agents who spoke to the Guardian said the
>> strategy, if successful, could have significant implications for the
>> market.
>> 
>> MacDailyNews Take: At first listen, it doesn't sound awful. A preview can be
>> heard via Apple Books here.
>> 
>> Original Article at:
>> https://macdailynews.com/2023/01/06/apple-quietly-launches-a-selection-of-au
>> diobooks-voiced-by-an-ai-robot/
>> 
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RE: When It Comes to iPhone, Are You All Thumbs?

[CJ & AA MAY]

No, nor could I use my thumbs to type. I hold the phone in its case in my left 
hand and type with my right index finger. In this way, if I accidentally hit 
the adjacent letter, I can just slant my finger over to hit the correct key.

Alison

on 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Devin 
Prater
Sent: 18 January 2023 10:29
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: When It Comes to iPhone, Are You All Thumbs?

 

Wow, I couldn’t imagine using my thumbs to type. They’re way too big for those 
small letters. I use my pointer finger usually, but also use other fingers if 
they’re closing to, say, the delete, L, O, or return keys.

Devin Prater

r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com  

 

Https://devinprater.micro.blog





On Jan 18, 2023, at 12:54 AM, M. Taylor mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> 
> wrote:

 

Hello All,

A friend of mine and I got into a discussion about how we type in iOS, when
sending text messages.

It started when she asked me if I use my thumbs to type.  Even though I know
that a great many people use their thumbs to enter text on iPhone,
personally I find the technique slow and awkward.

How do I enter text in iOS?

First, I keep my VoiceOver typing mode set to "Touch Typing."

Second, I use a folio case.  Not only does such a case cover the display
when not in use, it also provides a nifty way to balance the phone in one
hand, fingers-free.

When entering text, I open the case, kind of like a book, with the wallet
side to the left and the phone to the right.  I position the phone case in
the crook of my left hand (where the base of my thumb meets my hand) so that
the back of the phone, in the case of course, is resting against the palm of
my left hand, leaving all five digits on my left hand, free.  

The wallet side of the case acts as a kind of counter balance so that the
phone does not slip out of my hand, even when the phone is tilted, off-axis,
so to speak.

I use my left thumb to access the letters and numbers, located on the left
side of the onscreen keyboard and the index finger of my right hand, to
access the letters and numbers located on the right side of the onscreen
keyboard.

I hold the phone in the exact same way when using Slide-to-Type; except in
that instance, I use my right index finger, only.

Okay, that's my method for entering text on iPhone.  

How about you?  What technique do you use to enter text in iOS?

When it come to iPhone, are you all thumbs? (smile).

Mark


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Re: Twitter Confirms Third-Party Apps Like Tweetbot Were Intentionally Blocked

[Lyne]

I agrea, he knows more than you can imagine. He already proove with tweeter 
files ... 

Lyne

> Le 18 janv. 2023 à 04:37, Sieghard Weitzel  a écrit :
> 
> 
> "Elon Musk is not qualified to own anything"
> I find that is an interesting thing to say about the richest man in the world 
> who has successfully started the most prestigious electric car company, who 
> is offering high speed internet to places which never had it and would never 
> have it (at least for a long time), who is building rockets and owns a number 
> of other highly successful businesses.
> One can dislike his personality, but don't belittle his achievements and his 
> genius.
> As for Twitter, he may very well have a vision which nobody has figured out 
> yet; let's give it 2 or 3 years and see what happens. And don't get me wrong, 
> I don't of course know him except for what I hear and read just like most of 
> us, and I think he sounds like a very unpleasant type of person with lots of 
> eccentricities, but once again that does not make him stupid. I can think of 
> other people in recent American history who were even less qualified for what 
> they were doing.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
> Otten
> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2023 2:34 PM
> To: via VIPhone 
> Subject: Twitter Confirms Third-Party Apps Like Tweetbot Were Intentionally 
> Blocked
>  
> Twitter has become crazy. Just get out. Elon Musk is not qualified to own 
> anything, much less a massive social media app, which he has done nothing but 
> rec.
>  
> Twitter Confirms Third-Party Apps Like Tweetbot Were Intentionally Blocked
> MacRumors: Mac News and Rumors  /  Juli Clover
> 
> 
> Third-party Twitter apps like Tweetbot and Twitterrific have been 
> intentionally blocked from using Twitter APIs, Twitter confirmed today. 
> Without access to the underlying code for the social network, Tweetbot, 
> Twitterrific, Birdie, Echofon, and other popular Twitter clients are 
> non-functional and cannot be used.
> 
> 
> Twitter's Dev account today said in a tweet that Twitter is "enforcing its 
> long-standing API rules," a change that could cause some apps not to work. 
> There has been no word on which API rules the blocked Twitter clients have 
> violated, and this is the first time that Twitter has provided insight into 
> what's going on with third-party Twitter apps since they stopped working last 
> Thursday.
> 
> When some third-party Twitter apps became unusable last week, it was 
> initially believed that there could be some kind of bug causing the outage. 
> Only the most popular Twitter clients were affected and blocked from 
> Twitter's APIs, perhaps indicating an internal error. As Twitter declined to 
> comment on the situation for days, however, it became clearer that it was an 
> intentional decision. Over the weekend, The Information said that in an 
> internal Slack channel, a senior software engineer at Twitter clarified that 
> the suspensions were done on purpose, suggesting many Twitter employees were 
> not even aware of what was going on.
> 
> It is not known why Twitter has provided so little information on what is 
> happening to highly popular third-party Twitter apps that have existed for 
> years, nor if these apps will again be provided with access to the API if 
> changes are made. Developers like Iconfactory and Tapbots (responsible for 
> Twitterrific and Tweetbot, respectively), received no warning about the 
> shutdown and were not provided with information on why their apps stopped 
> working.
> 
> Apps like Tweetbot have been around for more than a decade at this point, 
> with loyal users, full teams of developers, and a major investment in the 
> social network. Developers have expressed their frustration at Twitter's 
> decision and lack of communication, as have longtime Twitter users.
> 
> MacStories, for example, called Twitter's actions "disgraceful" and 
> "unprofessional," with Twitter demonstrating a "total lack of respect" for 
> the role that third-party apps have played in the success of the social 
> network.
> 
> Jason Snell called Twitter's actions "clueless, classless, and cowardly," and 
> John Gruber said this is likely the end of his regular usage of Twitter as 
> Twitter's own client is "terrible."
> 
> At this point, it isn't clear when or if we're going to get more information 
> about third-party Twitter clients from Twitter, nor if the apps that have had 
> their API access revoked will be back in some capacity. Tapbots is now 
> speeding up development on Ivory, its app for the Mastodon social network, 
> and Twitterrific's Craig Hockenberry said that he will be exploring the 
> concept of a truly universal timeline that leverages how open standards can 
> be used in "new and different ways."
> 
> 
> 
> Original Article: 
> https://www.macrumors.com/2023/01/17/twitter-third-party-apps-intentionally-blocked/
>  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Twitter Confirms Third-Party Apps Like Tweetbot Were Intentionally Blocked

[Angie Nutt]

I for one don’t think he’s stupid in the way of being incapable but I do think 
it stupid to get rid of so many people so quickly. As for the accessibility 
team: I really can’t understand why anyone would do that, not the whole team 
anyway. He’s gone too far too fast.

I’m also wondering if he wants to kill Twitter off as he did want to pull out 
of the sale at one time. Wonder what changed his mind. If it collapses, well, 
he gets out of it I suppose though it’s unlikely to be that simple. I’m 
disappointed in him as I thought he’d have some innovative ideas. I certainly 
wouldn’t consider getting rid of so many people innovative. Oh well, I am able 
to use the iPhone Twitter app and quite like it. 

All the best
Angie


> On 18 Jan 2023, at 09:37, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> "Elon Musk is not qualified to own anything" 
> I find that is an interesting thing to say about the richest man in the world 
> who has successfully started the most prestigious electric car company, who 
> is offering high speed internet to places which never had it and would never 
> have it (at least for a long time), who is building rockets and owns a number 
> of other highly successful businesses.
> One can dislike his personality, but don't belittle his achievements and his 
> genius.
> As for Twitter, he may very well have a vision which nobody has figured out 
> yet; let's give it 2 or 3 years and see what happens. And don't get me wrong, 
> I don't of course know him except for what I hear and read just like most of 
> us, and I think he sounds like a very unpleasant type of person with lots of 
> eccentricities, but once again that does not make him stupid. I can think of 
> other people in recent American history who were even less qualified for what 
> they were doing.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
> Otten
> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2023 2:34 PM
> To: via VIPhone 
> Subject: Twitter Confirms Third-Party Apps Like Tweetbot Were Intentionally 
> Blocked
>  
> Twitter has become crazy. Just get out. Elon Musk is not qualified to own 
> anything, much less a massive social media app, which he has done nothing but 
> rec.
>  
> Twitter Confirms Third-Party Apps Like Tweetbot Were Intentionally Blocked
> MacRumors: Mac News and Rumors  /  Juli Clover
> 
> 
> Third-party Twitter apps like Tweetbot and Twitterrific have been 
> intentionally blocked from using Twitter APIs, Twitter confirmed today. 
> Without access to the underlying code for the social network, Tweetbot, 
> Twitterrific, Birdie, Echofon, and other popular Twitter clients are 
> non-functional and cannot be used.
> 
> 
> Twitter's Dev account today said in a tweet 
>  that Twitter is 
> "enforcing its long-standing API rules," a change that could cause some apps 
> not to work. There has been no word on which API rules the blocked Twitter 
> clients have violated, and this is the first time that Twitter has provided 
> insight into what's going on with third-party Twitter apps since they stopped 
> working last Thursday.
> 
> When some third-party Twitter apps became unusable last week, it was 
> initially believed that there could be some kind of bug causing the outage. 
> Only the most popular Twitter clients were affected and blocked from 
> Twitter's APIs, perhaps indicating an internal error. As Twitter declined to 
> comment on the situation for days, however, it became clearer that it was an 
> intentional decision. Over the weekend, The Information 
> said
>  that in an internal Slack channel, a senior software engineer at Twitter 
> clarified that the suspensions were done on purpose, suggesting many Twitter 
> employees were not even aware of what was going on.
> 
> It is not known why Twitter has provided so little information on what is 
> happening to highly popular third-party Twitter apps that have existed for 
> years, nor if these apps will again be provided with access to the API if 
> changes are made. Developers like Iconfactory and Tapbots (responsible for 
> Twitterrific and Tweetbot, respectively), received no warning about the 
> shutdown and were not provided with information on why their apps stopped 
> working.
> 
> Apps like Tweetbot have been around for more than a decade at this point, 
> with loyal users, full teams of developers, and a major investment in the 
> social network. Developers have expressed their frustration at Twitter's 
> decision and lack of communication, as have longtime Twitter users.
> 
> MacStories 
> ,
>  for example, called Twitter's actions "disgraceful" and "unprofessional," 
> with Twitter demonstrating a "total lack of respect" for the role that 
> third-party apps have played in the 

Re: When It Comes to iPhone, Are You All Thumbs?

[Joshua Hendrickson]

Tom.  I highly recommend that you get the Hable One braille bluetooth
keyboard.  The Hable when you type on the keyboard is based off of
braille screen input.  However, you can type on actual buttons, and
not the phone keyboard itself.  Good luck.

On 1/18/23, Tom Rash  wrote:
> Any tips on using the Braile screen input?  I tried it before, but it seems
> I always have the screen turned the wrong way.  No matter what I do, it
> seems like the Braille screen input doesn’t work for me.
>
>> On Jan 18, 2023, at 12:37 AM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
>>
>> I use braille screen input. I can type on the regular keyboard, but I am
>> very slow. So, if it is more than a very few words, it is braille screen
>> input. Ocasionally, I use dictation if I am in a quiet environment. I
>> almost  never use Siri
>>
>> Arnold Schmidt
>>
>>
>> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 3
>>
>> On Jan 18, 2023, at 3:13 AM, Joshua Hendrickson 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I also use the Hable one to enter text and so much more with my
>> iPhone.  It is great.
>>
>> On 1/18/23, Dennis Long  wrote:
>>> I use a very good and wonderful device called the Hable One.  It allows
>>> me
>>> to control all functions of the iPhone without taking it out of my
>>> pocket.
>>> You can ask questions and get more info at
>>> www.iamhable.com
>>> or by subscribing to the following email list.
>>> hablecommunity+subscr...@groups.io
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>>> M.
>>> Taylor
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2023 1:55 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: When It Comes to iPhone, Are You All Thumbs?
>>>
>>> Hello All,
>>>
>>> A friend of mine and I got into a discussion about how we type in iOS,
>>> when
>>> sending text messages.
>>>
>>> It started when she asked me if I use my thumbs to type.  Even though I
>>> know
>>> that a great many people use their thumbs to enter text on iPhone,
>>> personally I find the technique slow and awkward.
>>>
>>> How do I enter text in iOS?
>>>
>>> First, I keep my VoiceOver typing mode set to "Touch Typing."
>>>
>>> Second, I use a folio case.  Not only does such a case cover the display
>>> when not in use, it also provides a nifty way to balance the phone in
>>> one
>>> hand, fingers-free.
>>>
>>> When entering text, I open the case, kind of like a book, with the
>>> wallet
>>> side to the left and the phone to the right.  I position the phone case
>>> in
>>> the crook of my left hand (where the base of my thumb meets my hand) so
>>> that
>>> the back of the phone, in the case of course, is resting against the palm
>>> of
>>> my left hand, leaving all five digits on my left hand, free.
>>>
>>> The wallet side of the case acts as a kind of counter balance so that
>>> the
>>> phone does not slip out of my hand, even when the phone is tilted,
>>> off-axis,
>>> so to speak.
>>>
>>> I use my left thumb to access the letters and numbers, located on the
>>> left
>>> side of the onscreen keyboard and the index finger of my right hand, to
>>> access the letters and numbers located on the right side of the onscreen
>>> keyboard.
>>>
>>> I hold the phone in the exact same way when using Slide-to-Type; except
>>> in
>>> that instance, I use my right index finger, only.
>>>
>>> Okay, that's my method for entering text on iPhone.
>>>
>>> How about you?  What technique do you use to enter text in iOS?
>>>
>>> When it come to iPhone, are you all thumbs? (smile).
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>>
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RE: Twitter Confirms Third-Party Apps Like Tweetbot Were Intentionally Blocked

[James Bentley]

Wow.  This is so very well stated.  Glad there is some common sense still 
around.

 

James B  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2023 3:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Twitter Confirms Third-Party Apps Like Tweetbot Were Intentionally 
Blocked

 

"Elon Musk is not qualified to own anything" 

I find that is an interesting thing to say about the richest man in the world 
who has successfully started the most prestigious electric car company, who is 
offering high speed internet to places which never had it and would never have 
it (at least for a long time), who is building rockets and owns a number of 
other highly successful businesses.

One can dislike his personality, but don't belittle his achievements and his 
genius.

As for Twitter, he may very well have a vision which nobody has figured out 
yet; let's give it 2 or 3 years and see what happens. And don't get me wrong, I 
don't of course know him except for what I hear and read just like most of us, 
and I think he sounds like a very unpleasant type of person with lots of 
eccentricities, but once again that does not make him stupid. I can think of 
other people in recent American history who were even less qualified for what 
they were doing.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2023 2:34 PM
To: via VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Twitter Confirms Third-Party Apps Like Tweetbot Were Intentionally 
Blocked

 

Twitter has become crazy. Just get out. Elon Musk is not qualified to own 
anything, much less a massive social media app, which he has done nothing but 
rec.

 

Twitter Confirms Third-Party Apps Like Tweetbot Were Intentionally Blocked

MacRumors: Mac News and Rumors  /  Juli Clover

 

Third-party Twitter apps like Tweetbot and Twitterrific have been intentionally 
blocked from using Twitter APIs, Twitter confirmed today. Without access to the 
underlying code for the social network, Tweetbot, Twitterrific, Birdie, 
Echofon, and other popular Twitter clients are non-functional and cannot be 
used.

  

 
Twitter's Dev account today said in a tweet 
  that Twitter is 
"enforcing its long-standing API rules," a change that could cause some apps 
not to work. There has been no word on which API rules the blocked Twitter 
clients have violated, and this is the first time that Twitter has provided 
insight into what's going on with third-party Twitter apps since they stopped 
working last Thursday.

When some third-party Twitter apps became unusable last week, it was initially 
believed that there could be some kind of bug causing the outage. Only the most 
popular Twitter clients were affected and blocked from Twitter's APIs, perhaps 
indicating an internal error. As Twitter declined to comment on the situation 
for days, however, it became clearer that it was an intentional decision. Over 
the weekend, The Information 

  said that in an internal Slack channel, a senior software engineer at Twitter 
clarified that the suspensions were done on purpose, suggesting many Twitter 
employees were not even aware of what was going on.

It is not known why Twitter has provided so little information on what is 
happening to highly popular third-party Twitter apps that have existed for 
years, nor if these apps will again be provided with access to the API if 
changes are made. Developers like Iconfactory and Tapbots (responsible for 
Twitterrific and Tweetbot, respectively), received no warning about the 
shutdown and were not provided with information on why their apps stopped 
working.

Apps like Tweetbot have been around for more than a decade at this point, with 
loyal users, full teams of developers, and a major investment in the social 
network. Developers have expressed their frustration at Twitter's decision and 
lack of communication, as have longtime Twitter users.

MacStories 

 , for example, called Twitter's actions "disgraceful" and "unprofessional," 
with Twitter demonstrating a "total lack of respect" for the role that 
third-party apps have played in the success of the social network.

Jason Snell called Twitter's actions   "clueless, 
classless, and cowardly," and John Gruber said this is likely the end of his 
regular usage of Twitter as Twitter's own client is "terrible."

At this point, it isn't clear when or if we're going to get more information 
about third-party Twitter clients from Twitter, 

Re: When It Comes to iPhone, Are You All Thumbs?

[Tom Rash]

Any tips on using the Braile screen input?  I tried it before, but it seems I 
always have the screen turned the wrong way.  No matter what I do, it seems 
like the Braille screen input doesn’t work for me.  

> On Jan 18, 2023, at 12:37 AM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
> 
> I use braille screen input. I can type on the regular keyboard, but I am very 
> slow. So, if it is more than a very few words, it is braille screen input. 
> Ocasionally, I use dictation if I am in a quiet environment. I almost  never 
> use Siri  
> 
> Arnold Schmidt 
> 
> 
> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 3
> 
> On Jan 18, 2023, at 3:13 AM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
> 
> I also use the Hable one to enter text and so much more with my
> iPhone.  It is great.
> 
> On 1/18/23, Dennis Long  wrote:
>> I use a very good and wonderful device called the Hable One.  It allows me
>> to control all functions of the iPhone without taking it out of my pocket.
>> You can ask questions and get more info at
>> www.iamhable.com
>> or by subscribing to the following email list.
>> hablecommunity+subscr...@groups.io
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M.
>> Taylor
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2023 1:55 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: When It Comes to iPhone, Are You All Thumbs?
>> 
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> A friend of mine and I got into a discussion about how we type in iOS, when
>> sending text messages.
>> 
>> It started when she asked me if I use my thumbs to type.  Even though I know
>> that a great many people use their thumbs to enter text on iPhone,
>> personally I find the technique slow and awkward.
>> 
>> How do I enter text in iOS?
>> 
>> First, I keep my VoiceOver typing mode set to "Touch Typing."
>> 
>> Second, I use a folio case.  Not only does such a case cover the display
>> when not in use, it also provides a nifty way to balance the phone in one
>> hand, fingers-free.
>> 
>> When entering text, I open the case, kind of like a book, with the wallet
>> side to the left and the phone to the right.  I position the phone case in
>> the crook of my left hand (where the base of my thumb meets my hand) so that
>> the back of the phone, in the case of course, is resting against the palm of
>> my left hand, leaving all five digits on my left hand, free.
>> 
>> The wallet side of the case acts as a kind of counter balance so that the
>> phone does not slip out of my hand, even when the phone is tilted, off-axis,
>> so to speak.
>> 
>> I use my left thumb to access the letters and numbers, located on the left
>> side of the onscreen keyboard and the index finger of my right hand, to
>> access the letters and numbers located on the right side of the onscreen
>> keyboard.
>> 
>> I hold the phone in the exact same way when using Slide-to-Type; except in
>> that instance, I use my right index finger, only.
>> 
>> Okay, that's my method for entering text on iPhone.
>> 
>> How about you?  What technique do you use to enter text in iOS?
>> 
>> When it come to iPhone, are you all thumbs? (smile).
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
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Re: When It Comes to iPhone, Are You All Thumbs?

[Devin Prater]

Wow, I couldn’t imagine using my thumbs to type. They’re way too big for those 
small letters. I use my pointer finger usually, but also use other fingers if 
they’re closing to, say, the delete, L, O, or return keys.
Devin Prater
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> On Jan 18, 2023, at 12:54 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> A friend of mine and I got into a discussion about how we type in iOS, when
> sending text messages.
> 
> It started when she asked me if I use my thumbs to type.  Even though I know
> that a great many people use their thumbs to enter text on iPhone,
> personally I find the technique slow and awkward.
> 
> How do I enter text in iOS?
> 
> First, I keep my VoiceOver typing mode set to "Touch Typing."
> 
> Second, I use a folio case.  Not only does such a case cover the display
> when not in use, it also provides a nifty way to balance the phone in one
> hand, fingers-free.
> 
> When entering text, I open the case, kind of like a book, with the wallet
> side to the left and the phone to the right.  I position the phone case in
> the crook of my left hand (where the base of my thumb meets my hand) so that
> the back of the phone, in the case of course, is resting against the palm of
> my left hand, leaving all five digits on my left hand, free.  
> 
> The wallet side of the case acts as a kind of counter balance so that the
> phone does not slip out of my hand, even when the phone is tilted, off-axis,
> so to speak.
> 
> I use my left thumb to access the letters and numbers, located on the left
> side of the onscreen keyboard and the index finger of my right hand, to
> access the letters and numbers located on the right side of the onscreen
> keyboard.
> 
> I hold the phone in the exact same way when using Slide-to-Type; except in
> that instance, I use my right index finger, only.
> 
> Okay, that's my method for entering text on iPhone.  
> 
> How about you?  What technique do you use to enter text in iOS?
> 
> When it come to iPhone, are you all thumbs? (smile).
> 
> Mark
> 
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Re: Apple Quietly Launches a Selection of Audiobooks Voiced by an AI Robot, Mac Daily News

[Devin Prater]

Search for “AI Narration” in the books app.
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> On Jan 18, 2023, at 3:15 AM, Amy Ruell  wrote:
> 
> Where can I find a sample of the AI Apple books?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 18, 2023, at 12:24 AM, Ketan Kothari  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Although I have yet not tried the AI narrated book could anyone please
>> explain difference between a electronic voice such as vocallizer or
>> eloquence synthesizer voice and AI narrated book?  Thank you.
>> 
>> Ketan Kothari from Mumbai India
>> 
>>> On 14/01/2023, Alan Lemly  wrote:
>>> While I certainly want any AI rendered audiobooks to be of the highest
>>> quality, this feels like the next phase of cost reduction by eliminating
>>> human voice actors. I can't ever imagine an AI narrated book to be of the
>>> same quality as a human narrated one and hope we'll continue to have a good
>>> supply of human narrated audio for many years to come.
>>> 
>>> Alan Lemly
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M.
>>> Taylor
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2023 8:30 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Apple Quietly Launches a Selection of Audiobooks Voiced by an AI
>>> Robot, Mac Daily News
>>> 
>>> Hello Everyone,
>>> 
>>> I was Fascinated by this article so quickly went to Apple Books and explored
>>> the selection.
>>> 
>>> I must say, I am amazed at the quality of the AI Rendering of the text.
>>> 
>>> While there are several free AI voiced audio books from which to choose, I
>>> purchased a title called "WildWood" by Elinor Florence.
>>> 
>>> I will be posting a second article on this in a little while.
>>> 
>>> Enjoy,
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> Apple quietly launches a selection of audiobooks voiced by an AI robot
>>> MacDailyNews - Friday, January 6, 2023 at 2:36 PM Apple quietly launches a
>>> selection of audiobooks voiced by an AI robot Apple has quietly launched a
>>> catalog of books narrated by an AI robot using artificial intelligence and
>>> voice synthesis technologies it developed.
>>> By Leyland Cecco, for The Guardian:
>>> 
>>> The popularity of the audiobook market has exploded in recent years, with
>>> technology companies scrambling to gain a foothold. Sales last year jumped
>>> 25%, bringing in more than $1.5bn. Industry insiders believe the global
>>> market could be worth more than $35bn by 2030.
>>> On the company's Books app, searching for "AI narration" reveals the
>>> catalogue of works included in the scheme, which are described as being
>>> "narrated by digital voice based on a human narrator".
>>> 
>>> Apple's development of AI to narrate books could represent a significant
>>> shift in how major technology companies see the future of audiobooks.
>>> Publishers, authors and literary agents who spoke to the Guardian said the
>>> strategy, if successful, could have significant implications for the
>>> market.
>>> 
>>> MacDailyNews Take: At first listen, it doesn't sound awful. A preview can be
>>> heard via Apple Books here.
>>> 
>>> Original Article at:
>>> https://macdailynews.com/2023/01/06/apple-quietly-launches-a-selection-of-au
>>> diobooks-voiced-by-an-ai-robot/
>>> 
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RE: Twitter Confirms Third-Party Apps Like Tweetbot Were Intentionally Blocked

[Sieghard Weitzel]

"Elon Musk is not qualified to own anything"
I find that is an interesting thing to say about the richest man in the world 
who has successfully started the most prestigious electric car company, who is 
offering high speed internet to places which never had it and would never have 
it (at least for a long time), who is building rockets and owns a number of 
other highly successful businesses.
One can dislike his personality, but don't belittle his achievements and his 
genius.
As for Twitter, he may very well have a vision which nobody has figured out 
yet; let's give it 2 or 3 years and see what happens. And don't get me wrong, I 
don't of course know him except for what I hear and read just like most of us, 
and I think he sounds like a very unpleasant type of person with lots of 
eccentricities, but once again that does not make him stupid. I can think of 
other people in recent American history who were even less qualified for what 
they were doing.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2023 2:34 PM
To: via VIPhone 
Subject: Twitter Confirms Third-Party Apps Like Tweetbot Were Intentionally 
Blocked

Twitter has become crazy. Just get out. Elon Musk is not qualified to own 
anything, much less a massive social media app, which he has done nothing but 
rec.

Twitter Confirms Third-Party Apps Like Tweetbot Were Intentionally Blocked
MacRumors: Mac News and Rumors  /  Juli Clover



Third-party Twitter apps like Tweetbot and Twitterrific have been intentionally 
blocked from using Twitter APIs, Twitter confirmed today. Without access to the 
underlying code for the social network, Tweetbot, Twitterrific, Birdie, 
Echofon, and other popular Twitter clients are non-functional and cannot be 
used.

[Twitter Feature]
Twitter's Dev account today said in a 
tweet that Twitter 
is "enforcing its long-standing API rules," a change that could cause some apps 
not to work. There has been no word on which API rules the blocked Twitter 
clients have violated, and this is the first time that Twitter has provided 
insight into what's going on with third-party Twitter apps since they stopped 
working last Thursday.

When some third-party Twitter apps became unusable last week, it was initially 
believed that there could be some kind of bug causing the outage. Only the most 
popular Twitter clients were affected and blocked from Twitter's APIs, perhaps 
indicating an internal error. As Twitter declined to comment on the situation 
for days, however, it became clearer that it was an intentional decision. Over 
the weekend, The 
Information
 said that in an internal Slack channel, a senior software engineer at Twitter 
clarified that the suspensions were done on purpose, suggesting many Twitter 
employees were not even aware of what was going on.

It is not known why Twitter has provided so little information on what is 
happening to highly popular third-party Twitter apps that have existed for 
years, nor if these apps will again be provided with access to the API if 
changes are made. Developers like Iconfactory and Tapbots (responsible for 
Twitterrific and Tweetbot, respectively), received no warning about the 
shutdown and were not provided with information on why their apps stopped 
working.

Apps like Tweetbot have been around for more than a decade at this point, with 
loyal users, full teams of developers, and a major investment in the social 
network. Developers have expressed their frustration at Twitter's decision and 
lack of communication, as have longtime Twitter users.

MacStories,
 for example, called Twitter's actions "disgraceful" and "unprofessional," with 
Twitter demonstrating a "total lack of respect" for the role that third-party 
apps have played in the success of the social network.

Jason Snell called Twitter's actions "clueless, 
classless, and cowardly," and John Gruber said this is likely the end of his 
regular usage of Twitter as Twitter's own client is "terrible."

At this point, it isn't clear when or if we're going to get more information 
about third-party Twitter clients from Twitter, nor if the apps that have had 
their API access revoked will be back in some capacity. Tapbots is now speeding 
up development on 
Ivory, its 
app for the Mastodon social network, and Twitterrific's Craig Hockenberry said 
that he will be exploring the concept of a truly universal timeline that 
leverages how open standards can be used in "new and different ways."


Original Article: 
https://www.macrumors.com/2023/01/17/twitter-third-party-apps-intentionally-blocked/

Sent from my iPhone

Re: Apple Quietly Launches a Selection of Audiobooks Voiced by an AI Robot, Mac Daily News

[Amy Ruell]

Where can I find a sample of the AI Apple books?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 18, 2023, at 12:24 AM, Ketan Kothari  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Although I have yet not tried the AI narrated book could anyone please
> explain difference between a electronic voice such as vocallizer or
> eloquence synthesizer voice and AI narrated book?  Thank you.
> 
> Ketan Kothari from Mumbai India
> 
>> On 14/01/2023, Alan Lemly  wrote:
>> While I certainly want any AI rendered audiobooks to be of the highest
>> quality, this feels like the next phase of cost reduction by eliminating
>> human voice actors. I can't ever imagine an AI narrated book to be of the
>> same quality as a human narrated one and hope we'll continue to have a good
>> supply of human narrated audio for many years to come.
>> 
>> Alan Lemly
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M.
>> Taylor
>> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2023 8:30 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Apple Quietly Launches a Selection of Audiobooks Voiced by an AI
>> Robot, Mac Daily News
>> 
>> Hello Everyone,
>> 
>> I was Fascinated by this article so quickly went to Apple Books and explored
>> the selection.
>> 
>> I must say, I am amazed at the quality of the AI Rendering of the text.
>> 
>> While there are several free AI voiced audio books from which to choose, I
>> purchased a title called "WildWood" by Elinor Florence.
>> 
>> I will be posting a second article on this in a little while.
>> 
>> Enjoy,
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> Apple quietly launches a selection of audiobooks voiced by an AI robot
>> MacDailyNews - Friday, January 6, 2023 at 2:36 PM Apple quietly launches a
>> selection of audiobooks voiced by an AI robot Apple has quietly launched a
>> catalog of books narrated by an AI robot using artificial intelligence and
>> voice synthesis technologies it developed.
>> By Leyland Cecco, for The Guardian:
>> 
>> The popularity of the audiobook market has exploded in recent years, with
>> technology companies scrambling to gain a foothold. Sales last year jumped
>> 25%, bringing in more than $1.5bn. Industry insiders believe the global
>> market could be worth more than $35bn by 2030.
>> On the company's Books app, searching for "AI narration" reveals the
>> catalogue of works included in the scheme, which are described as being
>> "narrated by digital voice based on a human narrator".
>> 
>> Apple's development of AI to narrate books could represent a significant
>> shift in how major technology companies see the future of audiobooks.
>> Publishers, authors and literary agents who spoke to the Guardian said the
>> strategy, if successful, could have significant implications for the
>> market.
>> 
>> MacDailyNews Take: At first listen, it doesn't sound awful. A preview can be
>> heard via Apple Books here.
>> 
>> Original Article at:
>> https://macdailynews.com/2023/01/06/apple-quietly-launches-a-selection-of-au
>> diobooks-voiced-by-an-ai-robot/
>> 
>> 
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Re: When It Comes to iPhone, Are You All Thumbs?

[Arnold Schmidt]

I use braille screen input. I can type on the regular keyboard, but I am very 
slow. So, if it is more than a very few words, it is braille screen input. 
Ocasionally, I use dictation if I am in a quiet environment. I almost  never 
use Siri  

Arnold Schmidt 


Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 3

On Jan 18, 2023, at 3:13 AM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:

I also use the Hable one to enter text and so much more with my
iPhone.  It is great.

On 1/18/23, Dennis Long  wrote:
> I use a very good and wonderful device called the Hable One.  It allows me
> to control all functions of the iPhone without taking it out of my pocket.
> You can ask questions and get more info at
> www.iamhable.com
> or by subscribing to the following email list.
> hablecommunity+subscr...@groups.io
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M.
> Taylor
> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2023 1:55 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: When It Comes to iPhone, Are You All Thumbs?
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> A friend of mine and I got into a discussion about how we type in iOS, when
> sending text messages.
> 
> It started when she asked me if I use my thumbs to type.  Even though I know
> that a great many people use their thumbs to enter text on iPhone,
> personally I find the technique slow and awkward.
> 
> How do I enter text in iOS?
> 
> First, I keep my VoiceOver typing mode set to "Touch Typing."
> 
> Second, I use a folio case.  Not only does such a case cover the display
> when not in use, it also provides a nifty way to balance the phone in one
> hand, fingers-free.
> 
> When entering text, I open the case, kind of like a book, with the wallet
> side to the left and the phone to the right.  I position the phone case in
> the crook of my left hand (where the base of my thumb meets my hand) so that
> the back of the phone, in the case of course, is resting against the palm of
> my left hand, leaving all five digits on my left hand, free.
> 
> The wallet side of the case acts as a kind of counter balance so that the
> phone does not slip out of my hand, even when the phone is tilted, off-axis,
> so to speak.
> 
> I use my left thumb to access the letters and numbers, located on the left
> side of the onscreen keyboard and the index finger of my right hand, to
> access the letters and numbers located on the right side of the onscreen
> keyboard.
> 
> I hold the phone in the exact same way when using Slide-to-Type; except in
> that instance, I use my right index finger, only.
> 
> Okay, that's my method for entering text on iPhone.
> 
> How about you?  What technique do you use to enter text in iOS?
> 
> When it come to iPhone, are you all thumbs? (smile).
> 
> Mark
> 
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Re: When It Comes to iPhone, Are You All Thumbs?

[Joshua Hendrickson]

I also use the Hable one to enter text and so much more with my
iPhone.  It is great.

On 1/18/23, Dennis Long  wrote:
> I use a very good and wonderful device called the Hable One.  It allows me
> to control all functions of the iPhone without taking it out of my pocket.
> You can ask questions and get more info at
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>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M.
> Taylor
> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2023 1:55 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: When It Comes to iPhone, Are You All Thumbs?
>
> Hello All,
>
> A friend of mine and I got into a discussion about how we type in iOS, when
> sending text messages.
>
> It started when she asked me if I use my thumbs to type.  Even though I know
> that a great many people use their thumbs to enter text on iPhone,
> personally I find the technique slow and awkward.
>
> How do I enter text in iOS?
>
> First, I keep my VoiceOver typing mode set to "Touch Typing."
>
> Second, I use a folio case.  Not only does such a case cover the display
> when not in use, it also provides a nifty way to balance the phone in one
> hand, fingers-free.
>
> When entering text, I open the case, kind of like a book, with the wallet
> side to the left and the phone to the right.  I position the phone case in
> the crook of my left hand (where the base of my thumb meets my hand) so that
> the back of the phone, in the case of course, is resting against the palm of
> my left hand, leaving all five digits on my left hand, free.
>
> The wallet side of the case acts as a kind of counter balance so that the
> phone does not slip out of my hand, even when the phone is tilted, off-axis,
> so to speak.
>
> I use my left thumb to access the letters and numbers, located on the left
> side of the onscreen keyboard and the index finger of my right hand, to
> access the letters and numbers located on the right side of the onscreen
> keyboard.
>
> I hold the phone in the exact same way when using Slide-to-Type; except in
> that instance, I use my right index finger, only.
>
> Okay, that's my method for entering text on iPhone.
>
> How about you?  What technique do you use to enter text in iOS?
>
> When it come to iPhone, are you all thumbs? (smile).
>
> Mark
>
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