RE: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT UPDATE to ios16.5

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Sorry, I lost track of Davy's tremendous bug reports, just realized he is 
talking about an iOS 16.5 braille issue not a facebook issue.
I'm not a braille user so I can't comment on that one.

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Weitzel
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2023 9:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT 
UPDATE to ios16.5

I'd be interested in what exactly these iOS 16 bugs are you mention. At this 
point iOS 16 is about as mature as it will get with as few issues as iOS 15. 
Just today the iOS 16.6 public beta was released and it is likely that iOS 16.6 
will be the final version of iOS 16, there may of course be several third level 
updates, e.g. there will be iOS 16.6, there may be iOS 16.6.1, iOS 16.6.2 etc., 
but in two weeks iOS 17 will be introduced at WWDC, by late June or early July 
the first iOS 17 public beta will be out and in September as always iOS 17 will 
be released for the masses. I personally can't see a single reason why one 
should avoid iOS 16 at this time and the bug Davy described is I assume not an 
iOS 16 bug but a Facebook bug.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Michael 
Irons
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2023 6:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT 
UPDATE to ios16.5

I did not even get iOS 16 because all of the problems people kept talking about 
I’m still hanging back on the latest version of iOS 15.
Sent from my iPhone

On May 22, 2023, at 1:51 PM, Anna Dresner  wrote:
Hi,

I’m seeing an issue with Kindle and Voice dream Reader where everything works 
fine until I get to the end of a page. The next page opens normally, but once 
it does, all four thumb keys on my braille display stop working. I hear a thunk 
sound when I press one, and nothing changes on the display. If I press Home, I 
am unable to navigate with the thumb keys. Restarting VoiceOver is the only way 
I have found to fix the problem. After that, panning works fine until I try to 
use Kindle or voice dream Reader again. Apple Books works fine. Are these the 
same problems the rest of you are seeing?

I sent a bug report about this a week or so ago. Unfortunately, the problem 
remains in beta 1 of iOS 16.6.

Best,
Anna


On May 22, 2023, at 10:36 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:

Yep, that’s it.
Devin Prater
r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com

Https://devinprater.micro.blog

On May 22, 2023, at 10:32 AM, Scott Davert  wrote:

Hello.
I'm currently using a Focus 14, but have also used a Brailliant BI
20X. I did not experience general panning issues, but am seeing some
problems with the Kindle app. Maybe others are having similar issues
and I'm not aware?

Scott

On 5/22/23, davycupp...@gmail.com  wrote:
Folks

For brail users please do NOT update to ios16.5 and report to Apple
accessibility NOW, do it NOW!

The thumb keys of the brail display functioning as panning keys do not work
as they should, if you press them, sometimes they do mostly they don't.

This bug has been introduced in ios16.5.
DO COMPLAIN with Apple NW!
Davy

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RE: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT UPDATE to ios16.5

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Might be time to give Android a try.


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Sent: Monday, May 22, 2023 1:22 PM
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Subject: RE: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT 
UPDATE to ios16.5

And for all US citizens, report tot he federation of the blind maybe their 
lawyers can send some legal letters to Apple or start some legal action.
I am fed up wit all those nasty bugs!
Apple must stop making publicity fort heir accessibilitiy enhancements in ios17 
if they are not even able to solve the now ongoing bugs like this bug and the 
dictation inconveniences!
Davy

Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Richard Turner
Verzonden: maandag 22 mei 2023 21:08
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: Re: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT 
UPDATE to ios16.5

You may also want to alert the Voice Dream Reader folks in case they can do 
something about it. supp...@voicedream.com



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On May 22, 2023, at 11:51 AM, Anna Dresner 
mailto:wadres...@att.net>> wrote:
Hi,

I’m seeing an issue with Kindle and Voice dream Reader where everything works 
fine until I get to the end of a page. The next page opens normally, but once 
it does, all four thumb keys on my braille display stop working. I hear a thunk 
sound when I press one, and nothing changes on the display. If I press Home, I 
am unable to navigate with the thumb keys. Restarting VoiceOver is the only way 
I have found to fix the problem. After that, panning works fine until I try to 
use Kindle or voice dream Reader again. Apple Books works fine. Are these the 
same problems the rest of you are seeing?

I sent a bug report about this a week or so ago. Unfortunately, the problem 
remains in beta 1 of iOS 16.6.

Best,
Anna


On May 22, 2023, at 10:36 AM, Devin Prater 
mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Yep, that’s it.
Devin Prater
r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com

Https://devinprater.micro.blog

On May 22, 2023, at 10:32 AM, Scott Davert 
mailto:scottslistm...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hello.
I'm currently using a Focus 14, but have also used a Brailliant BI
20X. I did not experience general panning issues, but am seeing some
problems with the Kindle app. Maybe others are having similar issues
and I'm not aware?

Scott

On 5/22/23, davycupp...@gmail.com 
mailto:davycupp...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Folks

For brail users please do NOT update to ios16.5 and report to Apple
accessibility NOW, do it NOW!

The thumb keys of the brail display functioning as panning keys do not work
as they should, if you press them, sometimes they do mostly they don't.

This bug has been introduced in ios16.5.
DO COMPLAIN with Apple NW!
Davy

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RE: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT UPDATE to ios16.5

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I'd be interested in what exactly these iOS 16 bugs are you mention. At this 
point iOS 16 is about as mature as it will get with as few issues as iOS 15. 
Just today the iOS 16.6 public beta was released and it is likely that iOS 16.6 
will be the final version of iOS 16, there may of course be several third level 
updates, e.g. there will be iOS 16.6, there may be iOS 16.6.1, iOS 16.6.2 etc., 
but in two weeks iOS 17 will be introduced at WWDC, by late June or early July 
the first iOS 17 public beta will be out and in September as always iOS 17 will 
be released for the masses. I personally can't see a single reason why one 
should avoid iOS 16 at this time and the bug Davy described is I assume not an 
iOS 16 bug but a Facebook bug.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Michael 
Irons
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2023 6:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT 
UPDATE to ios16.5

I did not even get iOS 16 because all of the problems people kept talking about 
I’m still hanging back on the latest version of iOS 15.
Sent from my iPhone


On May 22, 2023, at 1:51 PM, Anna Dresner  wrote:
Hi,

I’m seeing an issue with Kindle and Voice dream Reader where everything works 
fine until I get to the end of a page. The next page opens normally, but once 
it does, all four thumb keys on my braille display stop working. I hear a thunk 
sound when I press one, and nothing changes on the display. If I press Home, I 
am unable to navigate with the thumb keys. Restarting VoiceOver is the only way 
I have found to fix the problem. After that, panning works fine until I try to 
use Kindle or voice dream Reader again. Apple Books works fine. Are these the 
same problems the rest of you are seeing?

I sent a bug report about this a week or so ago. Unfortunately, the problem 
remains in beta 1 of iOS 16.6.

Best,
Anna



On May 22, 2023, at 10:36 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:

Yep, that’s it.
Devin Prater
r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com

Https://devinprater.micro.blog


On May 22, 2023, at 10:32 AM, Scott Davert  wrote:

Hello.
I'm currently using a Focus 14, but have also used a Brailliant BI
20X. I did not experience general panning issues, but am seeing some
problems with the Kindle app. Maybe others are having similar issues
and I'm not aware?

Scott

On 5/22/23, davycupp...@gmail.com  wrote:

Folks

For brail users please do NOT update to ios16.5 and report to Apple
accessibility NOW, do it NOW!

The thumb keys of the brail display functioning as panning keys do not work
as they should, if you press them, sometimes they do mostly they don't.

This bug has been introduced in ios16.5.
DO COMPLAIN with Apple NW!
Davy

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Re: Question about translator on phone.

[Michael Irons]

I thought I was gonna do something like that. Thank you for getting back to me 
and confirming what I was thinking all along.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 22, 2023, at 7:52 PM, joseph hudson  wrote:
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> YOU WOULD HAVE TO COPY THE TEXT WITH A GESTURE ON YOUR KEYBOARD, DEPENDING 
> ON WHAT YOU'RE USING TO READ THIS ON YOUR PHONE. THEN YOU WOULD HAVE TO PASTE 
> IT INTO THE TRANSLATOR APP
> 
>> On May 22, 2023, at 7:38 PM, Michael Irons  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everyone, the other day I got an email from a relative who happens to be 
>> Chinese. The first part of the email was in English saying everything was 
>> fine and then after the first part they started hearing it speak in Chinese. 
>> How do you access the translation part of the phone from within the native 
>> email app? I would sure like to know what the rest of the email saying I can 
>> say it was some survey it was probably written in Chinese. I hope you can 
>> help. 
>> 
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Re: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT UPDATE to ios16.5

[Michael Irons]

I did not even get iOS 16 because all of the problems people kept talking about 
I’m still hanging back on the latest version of iOS 15.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 22, 2023, at 1:51 PM, Anna Dresner  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I’m seeing an issue with Kindle and Voice dream Reader where everything works 
> fine until I get to the end of a page. The next page opens normally, but once 
> it does, all four thumb keys on my braille display stop working. I hear a 
> thunk sound when I press one, and nothing changes on the display. If I press 
> Home, I am unable to navigate with the thumb keys. Restarting VoiceOver is 
> the only way I have found to fix the problem. After that, panning works fine 
> until I try to use Kindle or voice dream Reader again. Apple Books works 
> fine. Are these the same problems the rest of you are seeing?
> 
> I sent a bug report about this a week or so ago. Unfortunately, the problem 
> remains in beta 1 of iOS 16.6.
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
> 
>> On May 22, 2023, at 10:36 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>> 
>> Yep, that’s it.
>> Devin Prater
>> r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com
>> 
>> Https://devinprater.micro.blog
>> 
>>> On May 22, 2023, at 10:32 AM, Scott Davert  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello.
>>> I'm currently using a Focus 14, but have also used a Brailliant BI
>>> 20X. I did not experience general panning issues, but am seeing some
>>> problems with the Kindle app. Maybe others are having similar issues
>>> and I'm not aware?
>>> 
>>> Scott
>>> 
>>> On 5/22/23, davycupp...@gmail.com  wrote:
 Folks
 
 For brail users please do NOT update to ios16.5 and report to Apple
 accessibility NOW, do it NOW!
 
 The thumb keys of the brail display functioning as panning keys do not work
 as they should, if you press them, sometimes they do mostly they don't.
 
 This bug has been introduced in ios16.5.
 DO COMPLAIN with Apple NW!
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Re: Question about translator on phone.

[joseph hudson]

YOU WOULD HAVE TO COPY THE TEXT WITH A GESTURE ON YOUR KEYBOARD, DEPENDING ON 
WHAT YOU'RE USING TO READ THIS ON YOUR PHONE. THEN YOU WOULD HAVE TO PASTE IT 
INTO THE TRANSLATOR APP

> On May 22, 2023, at 7:38 PM, Michael Irons  wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone, the other day I got an email from a relative who happens to be 
> Chinese. The first part of the email was in English saying everything was 
> fine and then after the first part they started hearing it speak in Chinese. 
> How do you access the translation part of the phone from within the native 
> email app? I would sure like to know what the rest of the email saying I can 
> say it was some survey it was probably written in Chinese. I hope you can 
> help. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Question about translator on phone.

[Michael Irons]

Hi everyone, the other day I got an email from a relative who happens to be 
Chinese. The first part of the email was in English saying everything was fine 
and then after the first part they started hearing it speak in Chinese. How do 
you access the translation part of the phone from within the native email app? 
I would sure like to know what the rest of the email saying I can say it was 
some survey it was probably written in Chinese. I hope you can help. 

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RE: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT UPDATE to ios16.5

[Star Gazer]

It’s a bug, it 
will get fixed. I’m missing some posts here but hey if someone wants to sue 
Apple, they hve that right. 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of alia 
robinson
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2023 5:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT 
UPDATE to ios16.5

 

it’s ridiculous to talk about suing apple over this. it’s not like they did it 
purposefully so blind people can’t use their products. do you know how many 
bugs sighted people deal with too? not everything is about us being blind.





On May 22, 2023, at 4:28 PM, Ed Worrell mailto:blindworr...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hello,

 

While this is a bug, I don’t think that it’s worth threatening to sue Apple 
over. It takes some time in the development world to fix bugs, and to get them 
approved in the update cycle. I think that you will have better luck with 
reporting bugs through Apple Accessibility, than getting lawyers involved. This 
is not a denial of access issue, it literally is a bug, that someone has found 
a work around for. It sounds pretty simple to work around it too. Just my 
thoughts, I’m sure you’re going to rip me a new one now, so go on with your 
rant.

 

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Re: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT UPDATE to ios16.5

[alia robinson]

it’s ridiculous to talk about suing apple over this. it’s not like they did it 
purposefully so blind people can’t use their products. do you know how many 
bugs sighted people deal with too? not everything is about us being blind.

> On May 22, 2023, at 4:28 PM, Ed Worrell  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> While this is a bug, I don’t think that it’s worth threatening to sue Apple 
> over. It takes some time in the development world to fix bugs, and to get 
> them approved in the update cycle. I think that you will have better luck 
> with reporting bugs through Apple Accessibility, than getting lawyers 
> involved. This is not a denial of access issue, it literally is a bug, that 
> someone has found a work around for. It sounds pretty simple to work around 
> it too. Just my thoughts, I’m sure you’re going to rip me a new one now, so 
> go on with your rant.

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RE: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT UPDATE to ios16.5

[Dennis Long]

Davy

Good luck finding a bug free platform when you find it let me know.  Oh wait it 
doesn’t exist.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
davycupp...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2023 4:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT 
UPDATE to ios16.5

 

And for all US citizens, report tot he federation of the blind maybe their 
lawyers can send some legal letters to Apple or start some legal action.

I am fed up wit all those nasty bugs!

Apple must stop making publicity fort heir accessibilitiy enhancements in ios17 
if they are not even able to solve the now ongoing bugs like this bug and the 
dictation inconveniences!

Davy 

 

Van: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > Namens Richard 
Turner
Verzonden: maandag 22 mei 2023 21:08
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Onderwerp: Re: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT 
UPDATE to ios16.5

 

You may also want to alert the Voice Dream Reader folks in case they can do 
something about it. supp...@voicedream.com  

 

 

 

Richard, USA.

“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

 

On May 22, 2023, at 11:51 AM, Anna Dresner mailto:wadres...@att.net> > wrote:

Hi,

 

I’m seeing an issue with Kindle and Voice dream Reader where everything works 
fine until I get to the end of a page. The next page opens normally, but once 
it does, all four thumb keys on my braille display stop working. I hear a thunk 
sound when I press one, and nothing changes on the display. If I press Home, I 
am unable to navigate with the thumb keys. Restarting VoiceOver is the only way 
I have found to fix the problem. After that, panning works fine until I try to 
use Kindle or voice dream Reader again. Apple Books works fine. Are these the 
same problems the rest of you are seeing?

 

I sent a bug report about this a week or so ago. Unfortunately, the problem 
remains in beta 1 of iOS 16.6.

 

Best,

Anna

 

 

On May 22, 2023, at 10:36 AM, Devin Prater mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Yep, that’s it.

Devin Prater

r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com  

 

Https://devinprater.micro.blog

 

On May 22, 2023, at 10:32 AM, Scott Davert mailto:scottslistm...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hello.
I'm currently using a Focus 14, but have also used a Brailliant BI
20X. I did not experience general panning issues, but am seeing some
problems with the Kindle app. Maybe others are having similar issues
and I'm not aware?

Scott

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Folks

For brail users please do NOT update to ios16.5 and report to Apple
accessibility NOW, do it NOW!

The thumb keys of the brail display functioning as panning keys do not work
as they should, if you press them, sometimes they do mostly they don't.

This bug has been introduced in ios16.5.
DO COMPLAIN with Apple NW!
Davy

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Re: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT UPDATE to ios16.5

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I agree with Ed. Also, David coupons messages when reading with voiceover sounds like it’s in another language even though it’s technically an English it’s reading in a different text to speech voice and it sounds really weird. Even though, I have my language automatically set to English and I have an English voice. Perhaps he used a non-English keyboard to write in English I don’t know, but anyway, hopefully they’ll fix it. At least the Apple will hopefully fix the braille issue they usually do. If people nicely report this to Apple accessibility.Sent from my iPhoneOn May 22, 2023, at 1:29 PM, Ed Worrell  wrote:Hello,While this is a bug, I don’t think that it’s worth threatening to sue Apple over. It takes some time in the development world to fix bugs, and to get them approved in the update cycle. I think that you will have better luck with reporting bugs through Apple Accessibility, than getting lawyers involved. This is not a denial of access issue, it literally is a bug, that someone has found a work around for. It sounds pretty simple to work around it too. Just my thoughts, I’m sure you’re going to rip me a new one now, so go on with your rant.Thanks for listening,EdOn May 22, 2023, at 2:21 PM,   wrote:And for all US citizens, report tot he federation of the blind maybe their lawyers can send some legal letters to Apple or start some legal action.I am fed up wit all those nasty bugs!Apple must stop making publicity fort heir accessibilitiy enhancements in ios17 if they are not even able to solve the now ongoing bugs like this bug and the dictation inconveniences!Davy  Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Richard TurnerVerzonden: maandag 22 mei 2023 21:08Aan: viphone@googlegroups.comOnderwerp: Re: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT UPDATE to ios16.5 You may also want to alert the Voice Dream Reader folks in case they can do something about it. supp...@voicedream.com   Richard, USA.“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John RuskinMy web site: https://www.turner42.com On May 22, 2023, at 11:51 AM, Anna Dresner  wrote:Hi, I’m seeing an issue with Kindle and Voice dream Reader where everything works fine until I get to the end of a page. The next page opens normally, but once it does, all four thumb keys on my braille display stop working. I hear a thunk sound when I press one, and nothing changes on the display. If I press Home, I am unable to navigate with the thumb keys. Restarting VoiceOver is the only way I have found to fix the problem. After that, panning works fine until I try to use Kindle or voice dream Reader again. Apple Books works fine. Are these the same problems the rest of you are seeing? I sent a bug report about this a week or so ago. Unfortunately, the problem remains in beta 1 of iOS 16.6. Best,Anna On May 22, 2023, at 10:36 AM, Devin Prater  wrote: Yep, that’s it.Devin Praterr.d.t.pra...@gmail.com Https://devinprater.micro.blogOn May 22, 2023, at 10:32 AM, Scott Davert  wrote: Hello.I'm currently using a Focus 14, but have also used a Brailliant BI20X. I did not experience general panning issues, but am seeing someproblems with the Kindle app. Maybe others are having similar issuesand I'm not aware?ScottOn 5/22/23, davycupp...@gmail.com  wrote:FolksFor brail users please do NOT update to ios16.5 and report to Appleaccessibility NOW, do it NOW!The thumb keys of the brail display functioning as panning keys do not workas they should, if you press them, sometimes they do mostly they don't.This bug has been introduced in ios16.5.DO COMPLAIN with Apple NW!Davy--The following information is important for all members of the V iPhonelist.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or ifyou feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners ormoderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara atcaraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/---You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups"VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send anemail to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visithttps://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/005c01d98cbc%24ef261150%24cd7233f0%24%40gmail.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark 

Re: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT UPDATE to ios16.5

[Ed Worrell]

Hello,

While this is a bug, I don’t think that it’s worth threatening to sue Apple 
over. It takes some time in the development world to fix bugs, and to get them 
approved in the update cycle. I think that you will have better luck with 
reporting bugs through Apple Accessibility, than getting lawyers involved. This 
is not a denial of access issue, it literally is a bug, that someone has found 
a work around for. It sounds pretty simple to work around it too. Just my 
thoughts, I’m sure you’re going to rip me a new one now, so go on with your 
rant.

Thanks for listening,

Ed



> On May 22, 2023, at 2:21 PM,   
> wrote:
> 
> And for all US citizens, report tot he federation of the blind maybe their 
> lawyers can send some legal letters to Apple or start some legal action.
> I am fed up wit all those nasty bugs!
> Apple must stop making publicity fort heir accessibilitiy enhancements in 
> ios17 if they are not even able to solve the now ongoing bugs like this bug 
> and the dictation inconveniences!
> Davy
>  
> Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Richard Turner
> Verzonden: maandag 22 mei 2023 21:08
> Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Onderwerp: Re: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT 
> UPDATE to ios16.5
>  
> You may also want to alert the Voice Dream Reader folks in case they can do 
> something about it. supp...@voicedream.com 
>  
> 
>  
>  
> Richard, USA.
> “What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
> consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com 
>  
> 
> 
>> On May 22, 2023, at 11:51 AM, Anna Dresner > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>>  
>> I’m seeing an issue with Kindle and Voice dream Reader where everything 
>> works fine until I get to the end of a page. The next page opens normally, 
>> but once it does, all four thumb keys on my braille display stop working. I 
>> hear a thunk sound when I press one, and nothing changes on the display. If 
>> I press Home, I am unable to navigate with the thumb keys. Restarting 
>> VoiceOver is the only way I have found to fix the problem. After that, 
>> panning works fine until I try to use Kindle or voice dream Reader again. 
>> Apple Books works fine. Are these the same problems the rest of you are 
>> seeing?
>>  
>> I sent a bug report about this a week or so ago. Unfortunately, the problem 
>> remains in beta 1 of iOS 16.6.
>>  
>> Best,
>> Anna
>>  
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 22, 2023, at 10:36 AM, Devin Prater >> > wrote:
>>>  
>>> Yep, that’s it.
>>> Devin Prater
>>> r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com 
>>>  
>>> Https://devinprater.micro.blog 
>>> 
>>> 
 On May 22, 2023, at 10:32 AM, Scott Davert >>> > wrote:
  
 Hello.
 I'm currently using a Focus 14, but have also used a Brailliant BI
 20X. I did not experience general panning issues, but am seeing some
 problems with the Kindle app. Maybe others are having similar issues
 and I'm not aware?
 
 Scott
 
 On 5/22/23, davycupp...@gmail.com  
 mailto:davycupp...@gmail.com>> wrote:
 
> Folks
> 
> For brail users please do NOT update to ios16.5 and report to Apple
> accessibility NOW, do it NOW!
> 
> The thumb keys of the brail display functioning as panning keys do not 
> work
> as they should, if you press them, sometimes they do mostly they don't.
> 
> This bug has been introduced in ios16.5.
> DO COMPLAIN with Apple NW!
> Davy
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RE: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT UPDATE to ios16.5

[davycuppens]

And for all US citizens, report tot he federation of the blind maybe their 
lawyers can send some legal letters to Apple or start some legal action.

I am fed up wit all those nasty bugs!

Apple must stop making publicity fort heir accessibilitiy enhancements in ios17 
if they are not even able to solve the now ongoing bugs like this bug and the 
dictation inconveniences!

Davy 

 

Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Richard Turner
Verzonden: maandag 22 mei 2023 21:08
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: Re: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT 
UPDATE to ios16.5

 

You may also want to alert the Voice Dream Reader folks in case they can do 
something about it. supp...@voicedream.com  

 

 

 

Richard, USA.

“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 





On May 22, 2023, at 11:51 AM, Anna Dresner mailto:wadres...@att.net> > wrote:

Hi,

 

I’m seeing an issue with Kindle and Voice dream Reader where everything works 
fine until I get to the end of a page. The next page opens normally, but once 
it does, all four thumb keys on my braille display stop working. I hear a thunk 
sound when I press one, and nothing changes on the display. If I press Home, I 
am unable to navigate with the thumb keys. Restarting VoiceOver is the only way 
I have found to fix the problem. After that, panning works fine until I try to 
use Kindle or voice dream Reader again. Apple Books works fine. Are these the 
same problems the rest of you are seeing?

 

I sent a bug report about this a week or so ago. Unfortunately, the problem 
remains in beta 1 of iOS 16.6.

 

Best,

Anna

 





On May 22, 2023, at 10:36 AM, Devin Prater mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Yep, that’s it.

Devin Prater

r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com  

 

Https://devinprater.micro.blog





On May 22, 2023, at 10:32 AM, Scott Davert mailto:scottslistm...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hello.
I'm currently using a Focus 14, but have also used a Brailliant BI
20X. I did not experience general panning issues, but am seeing some
problems with the Kindle app. Maybe others are having similar issues
and I'm not aware?

Scott

On 5/22/23, davycupp...@gmail.com   
mailto:davycupp...@gmail.com> > wrote:



Folks

For brail users please do NOT update to ios16.5 and report to Apple
accessibility NOW, do it NOW!

The thumb keys of the brail display functioning as panning keys do not work
as they should, if you press them, sometimes they do mostly they don't.

This bug has been introduced in ios16.5.
DO COMPLAIN with Apple NW!
Davy

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[davycuppens]

Hi Anna then report again and again over and over again: today, tomorrow until 
they fix it. Please folks start to push pressure on Apple, do it now!

Davy 

 

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Verzonden: maandag 22 mei 2023 20:51
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Onderwerp: Re: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT 
UPDATE to ios16.5

 

Hi,

 

I’m seeing an issue with Kindle and Voice dream Reader where everything works 
fine until I get to the end of a page. The next page opens normally, but once 
it does, all four thumb keys on my braille display stop working. I hear a thunk 
sound when I press one, and nothing changes on the display. If I press Home, I 
am unable to navigate with the thumb keys. Restarting VoiceOver is the only way 
I have found to fix the problem. After that, panning works fine until I try to 
use Kindle or voice dream Reader again. Apple Books works fine. Are these the 
same problems the rest of you are seeing?

 

I sent a bug report about this a week or so ago. Unfortunately, the problem 
remains in beta 1 of iOS 16.6.

 

Best,

Anna

 





On May 22, 2023, at 10:36 AM, Devin Prater mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Yep, that’s it.

Devin Prater

r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com  

 

Https://devinprater.micro.blog





On May 22, 2023, at 10:32 AM, Scott Davert mailto:scottslistm...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hello.
I'm currently using a Focus 14, but have also used a Brailliant BI
20X. I did not experience general panning issues, but am seeing some
problems with the Kindle app. Maybe others are having similar issues
and I'm not aware?

Scott

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mailto:davycupp...@gmail.com> > wrote:



Folks

For brail users please do NOT update to ios16.5 and report to Apple
accessibility NOW, do it NOW!

The thumb keys of the brail display functioning as panning keys do not work
as they should, if you press them, sometimes they do mostly they don't.

This bug has been introduced in ios16.5.
DO COMPLAIN with Apple NW!
Davy

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[CHELA Robles]

Well, I already have 16.5.Sent from my iPhoneOn May 22, 2023, at 12:55 PM, Jennie Facer  wrote:A work around is to turn the setting that says turn pages while panning off. Make sure it is off, then when your first page runs out, press o plus spacebar and it should advance you to the next page.JennJenn and KumiOn May 22, 2023, at 1:08 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:You may also want to alert the Voice Dream Reader folks in case they can do something about it. supp...@voicedream.comRichard, USA.“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John RuskinMy web site: https://www.turner42.comOn May 22, 2023, at 11:51 AM, Anna Dresner  wrote:Hi,I’m seeing an issue with Kindle and Voice dream Reader where everything works fine until I get to the end of a page. The next page opens normally, but once it does, all four thumb keys on my braille display stop working. I hear a thunk sound when I press one, and nothing changes on the display. If I press Home, I am unable to navigate with the thumb keys. Restarting VoiceOver is the only way I have found to fix the problem. After that, panning works fine until I try to use Kindle or voice dream Reader again. Apple Books works fine. Are these the same problems the rest of you are seeing?I sent a bug report about this a week or so ago. Unfortunately, the problem remains in beta 1 of iOS 16.6.Best,AnnaOn May 22, 2023, at 10:36 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:Yep, that’s it.
Devin Praterr.d.t.pra...@gmail.comHttps://devinprater.micro.blog

On May 22, 2023, at 10:32 AM, Scott Davert  wrote:Hello.I'm currently using a Focus 14, but have also used a Brailliant BI20X. I did not experience general panning issues, but am seeing someproblems with the Kindle app. Maybe others are having similar issuesand I'm not aware?ScottOn 5/22/23, davycupp...@gmail.com  wrote:FolksFor brail users please do NOT update to ios16.5 and report to Appleaccessibility NOW, do it NOW!The thumb keys of the brail display functioning as panning keys do not workas they should, if you press them, sometimes they do mostly they don't.This bug has been introduced in ios16.5.DO COMPLAIN with Apple NW!Davy--The following information is important for all members of the V iPhonelist.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or ifyou feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners ormoderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara atcaraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/---You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups"VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send anemail to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visithttps://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/005c01d98cbc%24ef261150%24cd7233f0%24%40gmail.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/CAPSSVsQoSv55cKTt9CYT5VovUZ1FEMqQEJmnr8fXS-CtgALeOA%40mail.gmail.com.

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RE: Android fans are switching to iPhones in record numbers

[Christopher Chaltain]

I think media outlets put it out there because it's clip bait like Brian said. 
People like to be part of a team or a tribe, and they want to see their side 
win. I think this information is useful for Apple, Google and smart phone 
manufacturers, I mean Google would like to know why they're losing market 
share. I don't think it's useful for the average user though. I want both 
platforms to keep improving, and I want there to be enough users of each 
platform so I'll always have a choice.

BTW, I see this same brand loyalty around other products as well, such as cars, 
TV's, sound systems and so on.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2023 11:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Android fans are switching to iPhones in record numbers

I don't understand why so many people including media outlets always refer to 
this as a "war" or "battle". Why is nobody talking this way about cars, washing 
machines or digital SLR cameras? Sure, there is competition in those fields, 
but that is just what it is, competition. As for Apple and Android this 
so-called war which Apple is supposedly winning also seems to be fought 
entirely in the US because while Apple may be very popular here and maybe also 
in Canada, Australia, New Zealand and some other western countries, Apple will 
never "win" in countries like India, the Philippines, Indonesia or in most 
South American and African countries simply because the majority of people 
there can't afford an iPhone. Of course they also can't afford any of the 
flagship phones from Samsung, Google or Motorola, but there are plenty of cheap 
Android phones out there and simply by the fact that there is such a huge 
number of devices, Apple will never get past Android in terms of market share. 
It would be like saying Mercedes or BMW is winning the war against Toyota or 
Kia and such articles are nothing more than click bait.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Dennis 
Long
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2023 3:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Android fans are switching to iPhones in record numbers

I found this article a  very interesting article  and it confirms  what I 
thought.
Android fans are switching to iPhones in record numbers - here's why
TechRadar
Android fans are switching to iPhones in record numbers - here's why
Axel Metz
Thu, May 18, 2023 at 7:31 AM CDT
Image representing the rising stock of iPhones and the falling stock of Androids
The Android vs iPhone debate - or rather, the Android vs iOS debate - has raged 
for as long as both operating systems have been out in the wild, but new
figures suggest one camp will be the much happier of the two in 2023.
According to a new report from Consumer Intelligence Research Partners (CIRP), 
the last 12 months have seen Apple lure more users away from Android than
at any other point in the last five years. The research institute found that, 
from March 2022 to March 2023, 15% of individuals who purchased an iPhone
indicated that they had switched from an Android phone.
In other words: iPhones are winning the war. But why? In this article, we 
highlight five possible reasons - some objective, some subjective - why Android
phones continue to lose so much ground to Apple's pocket-sized marvels.

1. iPhones offer longer software support
The strongest hold iPhones have over Android phones is their superior 
longevity. Apple generally supports new iPhones with iOS updates for five or six
years after their release, and those updates come to all devices in one fell 
swoop. Sure, the oldest devices don't always support every new feature of
a given iOS update, but their security and basic functionality are maintained 
to a high standard for an impressively long time (there's a reason why you
still see so many banged-up iPhone 8s knocking around).

Android phones, on the other hand, aren't supported for anywhere near as long 
as iPhones. Samsung, for instance, offers four years of software updates
and five years of security updates for the best Samsung phones, while Google 
offers Pixel users three years of software updates (and the same security
commitment). You do the math: you're able to use iPhones for longer.

As TechRadar's US Mobiles Editor, Philip Berne - a loyal Android fan - recently 
wrote in an article pleading with Google to give Android its day in the
sun at Google I/O 2023: "We respect things that are reliable. We respect 
products that last and last, proving their value. We respect devices that exceed
our expectations and don't let us down.

"If I buy an iPhone 14 today, I know that Apple will support it for five or six 
years to come, maybe more. [...] That's long enough to be a hand-me-down,
which is game-changing when a phone costs so much. I can use my iPhone 14 Pro 
for 3 years, then give 

Re: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT UPDATE to ios16.5

[Jennie Facer]

A work around is to turn the setting that says turn pages while panning off. Make sure it is off, then when your first page runs out, press o plus spacebar and it should advance you to the next page.JennJenn and KumiOn May 22, 2023, at 1:08 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:You may also want to alert the Voice Dream Reader folks in case they can do something about it. supp...@voicedream.comRichard, USA.“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John RuskinMy web site: https://www.turner42.comOn May 22, 2023, at 11:51 AM, Anna Dresner  wrote:Hi,I’m seeing an issue with Kindle and Voice dream Reader where everything works fine until I get to the end of a page. The next page opens normally, but once it does, all four thumb keys on my braille display stop working. I hear a thunk sound when I press one, and nothing changes on the display. If I press Home, I am unable to navigate with the thumb keys. Restarting VoiceOver is the only way I have found to fix the problem. After that, panning works fine until I try to use Kindle or voice dream Reader again. Apple Books works fine. Are these the same problems the rest of you are seeing?I sent a bug report about this a week or so ago. Unfortunately, the problem remains in beta 1 of iOS 16.6.Best,AnnaOn May 22, 2023, at 10:36 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:Yep, that’s it.
Devin Praterr.d.t.pra...@gmail.comHttps://devinprater.micro.blog

On May 22, 2023, at 10:32 AM, Scott Davert  wrote:Hello.I'm currently using a Focus 14, but have also used a Brailliant BI20X. I did not experience general panning issues, but am seeing someproblems with the Kindle app. Maybe others are having similar issuesand I'm not aware?ScottOn 5/22/23, davycupp...@gmail.com  wrote:FolksFor brail users please do NOT update to ios16.5 and report to Appleaccessibility NOW, do it NOW!The thumb keys of the brail display functioning as panning keys do not workas they should, if you press them, sometimes they do mostly they don't.This bug has been introduced in ios16.5.DO COMPLAIN with Apple NW!Davy--The following information is important for all members of the V iPhonelist.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or ifyou feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners ormoderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara atcaraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/---You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups"VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send anemail to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visithttps://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/005c01d98cbc%24ef261150%24cd7233f0%24%40gmail.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/CAPSSVsQoSv55cKTt9CYT5VovUZ1FEMqQEJmnr8fXS-CtgALeOA%40mail.gmail.com.

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You may also want to alert the Voice Dream Reader folks in case they can do something about it. supp...@voicedream.comRichard, USA.“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John RuskinMy web site: https://www.turner42.comOn May 22, 2023, at 11:51 AM, Anna Dresner  wrote:Hi,I’m seeing an issue with Kindle and Voice dream Reader where everything works fine until I get to the end of a page. The next page opens normally, but once it does, all four thumb keys on my braille display stop working. I hear a thunk sound when I press one, and nothing changes on the display. If I press Home, I am unable to navigate with the thumb keys. Restarting VoiceOver is the only way I have found to fix the problem. After that, panning works fine until I try to use Kindle or voice dream Reader again. Apple Books works fine. Are these the same problems the rest of you are seeing?I sent a bug report about this a week or so ago. Unfortunately, the problem remains in beta 1 of iOS 16.6.Best,AnnaOn May 22, 2023, at 10:36 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:Yep, that’s it.
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Re: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT UPDATE to ios16.5

[Anna Dresner]

Hi,

I’m seeing an issue with Kindle and Voice dream Reader where everything works 
fine until I get to the end of a page. The next page opens normally, but once 
it does, all four thumb keys on my braille display stop working. I hear a thunk 
sound when I press one, and nothing changes on the display. If I press Home, I 
am unable to navigate with the thumb keys. Restarting VoiceOver is the only way 
I have found to fix the problem. After that, panning works fine until I try to 
use Kindle or voice dream Reader again. Apple Books works fine. Are these the 
same problems the rest of you are seeing?

I sent a bug report about this a week or so ago. Unfortunately, the problem 
remains in beta 1 of iOS 16.6.

Best,
Anna


> On May 22, 2023, at 10:36 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
> Yep, that’s it.
> Devin Prater
> r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com
> 
> Https://devinprater.micro.blog
> 
>> On May 22, 2023, at 10:32 AM, Scott Davert  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello.
>> I'm currently using a Focus 14, but have also used a Brailliant BI
>> 20X. I did not experience general panning issues, but am seeing some
>> problems with the Kindle app. Maybe others are having similar issues
>> and I'm not aware?
>> 
>> Scott
>> 
>> On 5/22/23, davycupp...@gmail.com  wrote:
>>> Folks
>>> 
>>> For brail users please do NOT update to ios16.5 and report to Apple
>>> accessibility NOW, do it NOW!
>>> 
>>> The thumb keys of the brail display functioning as panning keys do not work
>>> as they should, if you press them, sometimes they do mostly they don't.
>>> 
>>> This bug has been introduced in ios16.5.
>>> DO COMPLAIN with Apple NW!
>>> Davy
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RE: New credit card not showing in apple pay

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Is it possible that the card you are trying to add does not support Apple Pay? 
I assume you are in the US and since I am in Canada I don't know if there are 
banks who still don't support Apple Pay, just a thought.
Apart from that, whhy don't you try Apple Accessibility and see if they can 
help.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kimberly 
Gardner
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2023 9:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New credit card not showing in apple pay

Hi Mark,

No, or not exactly. When I open the wallet on my phone I see the new card 
listed. But when I access apple pay under settings that card is nowhere in 
evidence. It's perplexing.

I want to make the new card my default for apple pay, but if I can't even see 
it listed ... well, you see the problem.

Kim

On 5/20/23, M. Taylor  wrote:
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>
> Were you able to resolve the credit card not being displayed in the 
> Apple Wallet problem?
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> Mark
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> -Original Message-
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> Subject: New credit card not showing in apple pay
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> Hello all,
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> I even received an email that said it was added. But when I go into 
> apple pay on my iPhone the new card isn't there. Any idea what's going on?
>
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RE: New credit card not showing in apple pay

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I have 2 credit cards and my debit card in the Wallet and have no problems with 
that. My default card of course comes up, but if I double tap on it at the 
point of sale terminal I can then tap on one of the other cards and use it 
instead.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kelly 
Pierce
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2023 2:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New credit card not showing in apple pay

I have had the most success with Apple Pay when I use only a single payment 
method. For me, the payment method is a debit card so I can make free person to 
person payments.

Kelly



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> Hi Mark,
>
> No, or not exactly. When I open the wallet on my phone I see the new 
> card listed. But when I access apple pay under settings that card is 
> nowhere in evidence. It's perplexing.
>
> I want to make the new card my default for apple pay, but if I can't 
> even see it listed ... well, you see the problem.
>
> Kim
>
> On 5/20/23, M. Taylor  wrote:
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>>
>> Were you able to resolve the credit card not being displayed in the 
>> Apple Wallet problem?
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
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>> Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2023 6:32 AM
>> To: viphone 
>> Subject: New credit card not showing in apple pay
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Last night I added a new credit card to apple pay, or I thought I did.
>> I even received an email that said it was added. But when I go into 
>> apple pay on my iPhone the new card isn't there. Any idea what's going on?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Kim
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Re: iOs customize fitness goals

[Traci Duncan]

I’ve set a goal for myself to close all three rings four times a week. So I 
thought it would be kind of fun to get notifications when I successfully did 
this.

Thanks,
Traci

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 22, 2023, at 8:43 AM, Chris Chaffin  wrote:
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>> On May 22, 2023, at 11:22 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
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Re: iOs customize fitness goals

[Chris Chaffin]

What kind of goals are you wanting to set up? 

Chris


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Re: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT UPDATE to ios16.5

[Devin Prater]

Yep, that’s it.
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> On May 22, 2023, at 10:32 AM, Scott Davert  wrote:
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> Hello.
> I'm currently using a Focus 14, but have also used a Brailliant BI
> 20X. I did not experience general panning issues, but am seeing some
> problems with the Kindle app. Maybe others are having similar issues
> and I'm not aware?
> 
> Scott
> 
> On 5/22/23, davycupp...@gmail.com  wrote:
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>> 
>> For brail users please do NOT update to ios16.5 and report to Apple
>> accessibility NOW, do it NOW!
>> 
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>> as they should, if you press them, sometimes they do mostly they don't.
>> 
>> This bug has been introduced in ios16.5.
>> DO COMPLAIN with Apple NW!
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Re: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT UPDATE to ios16.5

[Scott Davert]

Hello.
I'm currently using a Focus 14, but have also used a Brailliant BI
20X. I did not experience general panning issues, but am seeing some
problems with the Kindle app. Maybe others are having similar issues
and I'm not aware?

Scott

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> For brail users please do NOT update to ios16.5 and report to Apple
> accessibility NOW, do it NOW!
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iOs customize fitness goals

[Traci Duncan]

Hi everyone, is there a way to set customize goals and get feedback 
notifications about them? Either via native iOs or a third party app.

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Re: Wireless pc headset specialized for zoom meeting

[Marco Chan]

I a quite happy with my Logitech zone vibe 125 headset.  But couldn’t connect 
with the Logi tune app for my iPhone. My pc is well connected with the app.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 3 May 2023, at 8:51 PM, Marco Curralejo  wrote:
> 
> I use the same headset and yes, it is expensive, but honestly, it's the best 
> out there.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Robert 
> Doc Wright
> Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2023 10:03 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Wireless pc headset specialized for zoom meeting
> 
> The headset I recommended has a mute button on the left ear piece.
> - Original Message - 
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> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 3, 2023 12:31 PM
> Subject: Re: Wireless pc headset specialized for zoom meeting
> 
> 
> That is true! Thanks God that I am not picky! I couldn’t afford to sit long 
> with my muscle degeneration. So I need a wireless headset for my meetings. 
> As long as it works well particularly muting or unmuting myself.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 3 May 2023, at 2:14 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> Logitech has a bunch of wireless headsets which all mention good Zoom 
>> compatibility.
>> Headsets are such a personal thing so while redcommendations are OK to a 
>> degree, in the end you just have to try something which is in  your budget 
>> and hope it's OK.
>> One example: so many people love their Airpods and at this stage I 
>> wouldn't buy a set if they were on sale for $99; maybe if they were on 
>> sale for $89, but then that of course is fantasy as they'll never go on 
>> sale for that low of a price.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Robert Doc Wright
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 3, 2023 9:40 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Wireless pc headset specialized for zoom meeting
>> 
>> Corsair HS70 Pro Wireless Gaming Headset - 7.1 Surround Sound Headphones 
>> for PC, MacOS, PS5, PS4 -
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Marco Chan" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 3, 2023 4:07 AM
>> Subject: Re: Wireless pc headset specialized for zoom meeting
>> 
>> 
>> Are you able to provide me with the model number, please?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On 3 May 2023, at 5:58 AM, Marco Chan  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks Robert!
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On 2 May 2023, at 8:58 PM, Robert Doc Wright
 
 wrote:
 
 Cors Air gaming headset is wireless and works well with Zoom.
 - Original Message - From: "Marco Chan" 
 To: 
 Sent: Tuesday, May 2, 2023 11:27 AM
 Subject: Wireless pc headset specialized for zoom meeting
 
 
> Hi folks! Any recommendation?
> Thx!
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new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT UPDATE to ios16.5

[davycuppens]

Folks 

For brail users please do NOT update to ios16.5 and report to Apple
accessibility NOW, do it NOW!

The thumb keys of the brail display functioning as panning keys do not work
as they should, if you press them, sometimes they do mostly they don't.

This bug has been introduced in ios16.5.
DO COMPLAIN with Apple NW!
Davy 

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