Re: Hello from Mark: Just Some General iOS App Comments

[Esther Levegnale]

Hi, Mark, glad everything is going well for you. I am having a super weekend and hope you are too. Take care. Esther.Sent from my iPhoneOn Sep 15, 2024, at 3:31 PM, VIPhone  wrote:Hello All,It’s been a while since last I posted so thought I would do so now.1.I am looking forward to buying the iPhone 16 Pro Max.2.I can’t wait to try out the new hearing-aid feature of the new Air Pods Pro, What a marvelous innovation by Apple.3.I just recently returned from a short trek to St. Louis and I am delighted to report that all of my core navigation apps worked beautifully with VoiceOver including Lyft, Uber, Yelp, TripIt (for sight seeing), The Southwest Air app, the Jet Blue app, the Delta Air app, and of course the Apple Maps app.  I mention the Apple Map app because a while back, when visiting San Francisco, the walking directions and the public transportation features of the app did not work as well as expected via VoiceOver.  This past week, however, all aspects of the app worked just as expected.  While in the mid-west, I also made extensive use of the Goodmaps, outdoor, app and was extremely pleased with its intersection announcement feature.I hope everyone is doing well and thank you all for continuing to contribute to this community.Mark



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Re: Waiting for the iPhone 16? Check out our picks for the 7 best iPhones of all time: Macworld

[Esther Levegnale]

Hi, pardon my ignorance but what exactly is the dynamic island? Sounds very interesting to me. Take care everyone and have a fabulous day. Esther.Sent from my iPhoneOn Aug 31, 2024, at 2:19 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:







I guess I am not that nostalgic, I like each new phone I have better than my old one because it's a little faster and usually has better battery life at least in the beginning and of course potentially new
 features.
I read quite a few articles in the tech publications where the authors think that next year is actually the year to upgrade because there will be more hardware changes with the iPhone 17 family than with the
 iPhone 16 family and they argue that many Apple Intelligence features will not be available until first or even second quarter of 2025 so then it will only be another 4 to 6 months before the 2025 iPhones are released. They say it will be better to maybe look
 at the iPhone 15 Pro or Pro Max this year as they should be offered at some good deals and they can run Apple Intelligence.
Personally for me there is no generic recipe which applies here. Whether you want to upgrade in the first place or not all depends on what phone you have now, whether it's financially not too hard for you
 and if Apple Intelligence interests you; I have talked to a few people who think that this will be a reason to switch to Android but then of course I remind them that Google is hard at work to bring all these AI features to Android as well and in the end I
 still trust Apple more with my privacy than I do Google.
Personally I can't wait for Apple Intelligence when it will be much more efficient to do stuff with your voice and to have Chat GPT behind Siri and all that. My wife and I both have an iPhone 13 Pro whih we
 bought a year after the iPhone 13 was released because at that point the iPhone 14 had the same chip as the 13 Pro and the 14 Pro just didn't interst me as much so we did go the less expensive route and got the prior year's model. This year if I upgrade at
 all I don't think I'll get an iPhone 15 Pro because I have a feeling the rumoured camera button willb e very handy and I believe it is also rumoured that the action button can be programmed to do more than what it can do so far. Not yet having a phone with
 a USB-C connection for me is also a big deal, of course here the iPhone 15 Pro would fulfill that requirement, but I can't wait until all my devices are USB-C and once I have a new iPhone they almost will be. I can't emphasise enough how nice it is when travelling
 to have only USB-C devices. My Thinkpad T16 charges via USB-C and I have a little foldable travel 2-in-1 MagSafe charger for my iPhone and Apple Watch, also my Creative Soundblaster headset I mostly use with my laptop is USB-C as is my Sleep Phone headset
 I use for in bed.
For power I have a very compact GAN travel wall adapter from Hyperjuice which has a fold-out plug. It is capable of 240 Watts output, 1 USB-C port with 140 Watts and 1 with 100 Watts and 1 USB-A port, can't
 remember the max output, but the 2 USB-C are more than enough to power my laptop and my MagSafe charger and a UsB-A to USB-C cable can be used for a headset or other device. I also have a Hyperjuice external battery with 26,000 MAH capacity and it's has 4
 USB-C ports with 2 of them putting out 100 Watts so I can even charge my laptop from that battery; it's heavy, but a nice thing to have on a longer trip.
This means 3 items, the wall adapter, the battery and the MagSafe charger and then I usually also bring 3 cables: 1 long USB-C cable, 1 shorter one and one 6-foot multi-use cable from Amazon which can plug
 either into a USB-A or USB-C port and on the other end it is USB-C with attached adapters for Lightning and Micro USB. It makes for a very small electronics bag and I love it.
 

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Subject: Re: Waiting for the iPhone 16? Check out our picks for the 7 best iPhones of all time: Macworld

 
Yes.

 


My favorite phone of them all was my beloved iPhone 8 Plus.


 


My second favorite was my iPhone 4 / 4S.


 


Mark



On Friday, August 30, 2024 at 9:33:37 AM UTC-7 Sieghard Weitzel wrote:




I don't quite agree with this list, while the 6 and 6 Plus were the first larger phones, I think the 6S and 6S Plus as the second generation of that
 form factor so to speak were much better phones.
Although, I think the iPhone 4S which was the first phone to feature Siri should have been in this list.
I would definitely





 

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Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2024 8:57 PM
To: VIPhone 
Subject: Waiting for the iPhone 16? Check out our picks for the 7 best iPhones of all time: Macworld

 
Waiting for the iPhone 16? Check out our picks for the 7 best iPhones of all time
With a new model around the corner, here are our favorite models over the past 17 years.
By Mahmoud Itani 
AUG 29,

Re: Strange sound from my iPhone 8 when trying to type in an edit field

[Esther Levegnale]

hey, Deb, was your iPhone snoring? Ha ha! I hope everything is fine with you. Take care. Esther.Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!On Jul 28, 2024, at 11:58 AM, Debbie Downey  wrote:Hello, This morning when I tried to type into a search field on my iPhone 8, I got a bleeping sort of sound and the keyboard wasn’t there. I’ve cleared the app switcher, checked my rotor and powered off the phone but this still persists. Anyone have any ideas other than old phone syndrome? Thanks! Debbie    



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Re: How to Set Split Tap

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hi, Joshua, you had me cracking up when you signed your email with your "" radical chariot. That was so funny. Take care and have a super day.. Esther.Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!On Jul 17, 2024, at 3:38 PM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:I have never been able to do split tap when typing on the iPhone. I know some people are very good at it, but I could never get the hang of it.Sent from Joshua’s radical chariot!!!On Jul 17, 2024, at 1:09 PM, sherrywells1...@gmail.com wrote:Great, thanks.  I thought I remembered turning it on but as so often happens, my memory was apparently flawed. Sherry Wells From: 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone  Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2024 1:30 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: How to Set Split Tap There is no setting I know of. Split Tap means holding one finger on the icon then while keeping that finger in contact with the screen, tap with any other finger then release. It can be more accurate for some than the single finger double tap.Richard, USA"INTROVERTS UNITE ...SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"-- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raised My web site: https://www.turner42.com (sent from my iPhone 13 pro)  On Jul 17, 2024, at 9:17 AM, sherrywells1...@gmail.com wrote:Hello, I have been using split tap for years & years so don’t remember how to set it.  I want to share this with a friend who recently got an Iphone. Thanks,Sherry Wells-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/01b701dad864%24c5b51880%24511f4980%24%40gmail.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/67CE145E-82E3-4F2B-B30C-D1A4FBA883A2%40comcast.net.



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Re: How to Set Split Tap

[Esther Levegnale]

hi, everyone, I like the split tap method when I open an app. I don't know if all of you know what this is, but you put one finger on the app and the next finger to open it. Take care of everyone and have a wonderful day. Esther.Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!On Jul 17, 2024, at 10:10 PM, 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone  wrote:The other things to be sure you change in settings, general, keyboard is to turn off slide to type and predictive text. They are both a pain in the butt for VoiceOver users. If those are off, touch typing works very well because you do not have to slide unless you touch the wrong letter, then slide to the correct letter and lift. It works great. But I usually use braille screen input just because it is even easier for me. Richard, USA"INTROVERTS UNITE ...SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"-- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raisedMy web site: https://www.turner42.com(sent from my iPhone 13 pro) On Jul 17, 2024, at 5:35 PM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:I could never figure out touch typing either. I could never really slide to the letters I wanted very easily. I’m glad I have my braille keyboard to use instead.Sent from Joshua’s radical chariot!!!On Jul 17, 2024, at 7:27 PM, 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone  wrote:The setting is called Touch Typing and is under VoiceOver settings, typing: and will say:Typing Style Touch TypingYou probably have typing style set to normal, double tap and flick through the options and select touch typing. Then, touch and lift will be their friend.Richard, USA"INTROVERTS UNITE ...SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"-- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raisedMy web site: https://www.turner42.com(sent from my iPhone 13 pro) On Jul 17, 2024, at 5:06 PM, sherrywells1...@gmail.com wrote:Actually I was referring to just split tapping on the home screen but since you mentioned it, I was also looking on how to set up typing such that I can touch a letter & when I lift my finger, it is typed.  I looked through settings but could not find it & set it up so long ago that I can’t remember what I did.  I think this would also help the friend who just started using voice over. I thought about changing the subject for this but decided I should stick to the thread.  I’ve seen so many complaints about changing the subject. Sherry Wells From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard WeitzelSent: Wednesday, July 17, 2024 7:37 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: How to Set Split Tap She may refer to using split tap when typing text in which case standard typing has to be selected, but I believe that is still the case by default when you set up a new iPhone and you have to change it to touch typing which in my opinion is much more efficient. From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Christopher ChaltainSent: Wednesday, July 17, 2024 10:33 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: How to Set Split Tap Agreed. Split tap is just an alternative to double tapping, and you get this for free, just like double tapping. --Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷Chaltain at Outlook, USA From: 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone  Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2024 12:30 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: How to Set Split Tap There is no setting I know of. Split Tap means holding one finger on the icon then while keeping that finger in contact with the screen, tap with any other finger then release. It can be more accurate for some than the single finger double tap.Richard, USA"INTROVERTS UNITE ...SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"-- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raised My web site: https://www.turner42.com (sent from my iPhone 13 pro)   On Jul 17, 2024, at 9:17 AM, sherrywells1...@gmail.com wrote:Hello, I have been using split tap for years & years so don’t remember how to set it.  I want to share this with a friend who recently got an Iphone. Thanks,Sherry Wells-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/01b701dad864%24c5b51880%24511f4980%24%40gmail.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel t

Re: How to Set Split Tap

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I really enjoy the split tap feature on the iPhone. Take care everyone and have a super day. Esther.Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!On Jul 18, 2024, at 2:00 AM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:




Split tapping works when touch typing is set.
—
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Chaltain at Gmail


On Jul 17, 2024, at 6:37 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:






 

She may refer to using split tap when typing text in which case standard typing has to be selected, but I believe that is still the case by default when you set up a new iPhone and you have to
 change it to touch typing which in my opinion is much more efficient.
 


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Agreed. Split tap is just an alternative to double tapping, and you get this for free, just like double tapping.
 

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There is no setting I know of. Split Tap means holding one finger on the icon then while keeping that finger in contact with the screen, tap with any other finger then release. It can be more accurate for some than the single finger double
 tap. 

 


 


 

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(sent from my iPhone 13 pro) 


 



 

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Hello,
 
I have been using split tap for years & years so don’t remember how to set it.  I want to share this with a friend who recently got an Iphone.
 
Thanks,
Sherry Wells
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Re: Be My AI Rocks!

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Wow!  That's pretty neat!  I'm going to have to experiment with that app!Take care.EstherSent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!On Jul 4, 2024, at 1:21 AM, Richard Turner  wrote:And Be my AI can read handwriting. Its fantastic!Richard"There's a nap for that." Sent from my iPhoneOn Jul 3, 2024, at 8:23 PM, Barbara Stahl  wrote:Yes be my AI is totally awesome. Sometimes even works better than Seeing AI at reading mail. I love it too.On Jul 3, 2024, at 8:29 PM, lang...@gmail.com wrote:Hi all,Today I got a reminder of how much I dig the hell out of Be My AI. It’s been a while since I’ve used Be My Eyes, and especially its Be My AI feature. I’ve used Be My AI for reading various types of mail and packaging and it works pretty darn well.  For example, I can use it to read an envelope to decide whether the mail goes straight into the trash or is worth scanning its contents , or I can use it to read the full page of the notice that my landlord tapes to my door. For packaging, I can take a picture of a Trader Joe’s product, get nutritional information (is it high in sodium?), and get both stovetop and microwave cooking directions. All of that info can be copied and pasted into a notes app or anywhere else I might choose to do so for future reference. But anyway…  In the San Fernando Valley today it’s sweltering with temps in the upper 90s, so I turned on the central air and needed to check to see what my apartment’s inaccessible thermostat was set to. I grabbed my phone, loaded Be My Eyes and put Be My AI to the test. I went into the hallway, positioned the phone’s camera so that it could see the thermostat and took a picture. Be My responded by saying that it saw the wall with the thermostat, and when I asked what the thermostat was set to, it said that the lighting was too poor, whereupon I flipped the light switch and took another picture. That time, it could clearly see the thermostat, and when I again asked what it was set to, it told me that the temperature was set to 74 according to where the little red needle was pointing. Needless to say I was quite pleased that I didn’t have to get sighted assistance. That may not seem like such a big deal to some, but to me it was HUGE. That is yet another example of how, for me at least, BE My AI ROCKS! For comparison purposes, I’ll use the Envision app to do similar things and I’ll let you all know how it goes.Take care, y’all. Tom    



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Re: Keyboard Commands

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hi, everyone, I absolutely love the Apple magic keyboard. I've had one of these for many years. Take care everyone. Esther.Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!On Jun 28, 2024, at 6:47 PM, Michael Irons  wrote:I got a hold of an apple Magic Keyboard for the iPad I inherited from my deceased sister. So I guess where the function key would be on a regular keyboard it would be the globe key on the Apple Magic Keyboard? I have the iPad that happens to have the folio case on yet. I just wanted to have a Bluetooth keyboard to work with it and I ended up getting the Apple Magic Keyboard because that was the one that was being sold while I was at the time. Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 28, 2024, at 5:40 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:The keyboard commands are mostly the same no matter the iOS device.I need to find the couple unique to iPads due to the split-view things you can do with having two apps open side by side, which I thought were in the list on my web site, but I’m not finding them.If you find instructions that talk about the Globe key, as far as I can tell, that is the FN key on a regular keyboard, but Apple gave it a globe icon on their “magic” keyboards….  Richard, USA"INTROVERTS UNITE ... SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"-- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raised My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joe OrozcoSent: Friday, June 28, 2024 3:35 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Keyboard Commands I’m curious about keyboard shortcut keys on iOS. I read a post somewhere on AppleVis where the person was talking about using things like Command + N to send a new message on her iPad Pro using a Magic keyboard. These keyboard shortcut keys, are they a function of the iPad Pro, or the Magic keyboard, or are they commands one can use across iOS? I’m really interested in using this sort of functionality with my iPhone and Bluetooth keyboard, but I’ve not found anything outside of the standard Voiceover keyboard commands. Thank you kindly for any tips, Joe -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/CAJNA4bn6V9SGdS%2BxG2_%3Dj5mROF2xR9RLUxK0%3DA2dgTq4ogphfA%40mail.gmail.com.



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Re: Keyboard Commands

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hi, everyone, I also have the Apple magic keyboard and absolutely love it. Esther.Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!On Jun 28, 2024, at 8:28 PM, Michael Irons  wrote:Hey Richard and others I have one quick thing I would like to say and that is if I got the Apple Magic Keyboard with my iPad or for my iPad it seems like all the keys on the keyboard should work with my iPad I guess if not, maybe that something I have to take up with Apple Accessibility.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 28, 2024, at 6:17 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:Michael and others,Forget what I said.The FN key is not the same as the globe key from my quick testing on my iPad.None of the commands specifically for the iPad work for me using the FN key.One source from a few years ago talked about modifying the key on a non Apple keyboard, but that setting was not where it said it would be, so I don’t know.Some commands using FN that say FN work fine.But Apple must have created a whole new Key that is unique to their keyboards.  Typical.  Richard, USA"INTROVERTS UNITE ... SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"-- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raised My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Michael IronsSent: Friday, June 28, 2024 3:48 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Keyboard Commands  I got a hold of an apple Magic Keyboard for the iPad I inherited from my deceased sister. So I guess where the function key would be on a regular keyboard it would be the globe key on the Apple Magic Keyboard? I have the iPad that happens to have the folio case on yet. I just wanted to have a Bluetooth keyboard to work with it and I ended up getting the Apple Magic Keyboard because that was the one that was being sold while I was at the time.  Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 28, 2024, at 5:40 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:The keyboard commands are mostly the same no matter the iOS device.I need to find the couple unique to iPads due to the split-view things you can do with having two apps open side by side, which I thought were in the list on my web site, but I’m not finding them.If you find instructions that talk about the Globe key, as far as I can tell, that is the FN key on a regular keyboard, but Apple gave it a globe icon on their “magic” keyboards….  Richard, USA"INTROVERTS UNITE ... SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"-- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raised My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joe OrozcoSent: Friday, June 28, 2024 3:35 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Keyboard Commands I’m curious about keyboard shortcut keys on iOS. I read a post somewhere on AppleVis where the person was talking about using things like Command + N to send a new message on her iPad Pro using a Magic keyboard. These keyboard shortcut keys, are they a function of the iPad Pro, or the Magic keyboard, or are they commands one can use across iOS? I’m really interested in using this sort of functionality with my iPhone and Bluetooth keyboard, but I’ve not found anything outside of the standard Voiceover keyboard commands. Thank you kindly for any tips, Joe -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/CAJNA4bn6V9SGdS%2BxG2_%3Dj5mROF2xR9RLUxK0%3DA2dgTq4ogphfA%40mail.gmail.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/00f001dac9ac%

Re: A question for Bluetooth users

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hi, everyone, I also use a Bluetooth keyboard from Apple. I really like it a 
lot. I hope you all have a fabulous day! Esther.
Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!

> On Jun 25, 2024, at 9:24 PM, Robert Doc Wright  
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> It is going to be based on what you get use to.  I've been using a BT
> keyboard for several years. I tried to switch to the hardware keyboard
> feature but found it too cumbersome for me.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Cris Ali" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2024 12:23 PM
> Subject: A question for Bluetooth users
> 
> 
> Hello dear listers,
> I posted my question on the BlindApple mailing list but got no replies or
> comments. It sounds that there are no bluetooth keyboard users on that list.
> Hopefully I will be luckier here.
> I am a new user of bluetooth keyboard with VoiceOver on an iPad. Should I
> keep the full keyboard access setting found under settings, accessibility,,
> full keyboard access on or off? What are the advantages or disadvantages of
> keeping this setting to off or on when using a bluetooth keyboard? Which
> setting do you recommend?
> I would appreciate your suggestions and help.
> Cheers,
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Re: Apple Music V Amazon Unlimited?

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hi, I totally agree with you on this one. Esther.
Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!

> On Jun 15, 2024, at 2:19 PM, Richard Turner  
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> They are both good.
> I like both of them, but I think Apple Music may give you more higher quality 
>  music since it defaults to lossless but I suspect Amazon may be there now 
> too.
> 
> 
> 
> Richard, USA
> "It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than 
> a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
> you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
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> I have Amazon Unlimited, and wondered what the differences are between that 
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> Thanks in advance.
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Re: Apple Music V Amazon Unlimited?

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I love Apple Music as well. Esther.
Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!

> On Jun 15, 2024, at 4:32 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
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> I prefer Apple Music because the PC interface is accessible, and it's usable 
> on all of the smart speakers.
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> I have Amazon Unlimited, and wondered what the differences are between that 
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> Thanks in advance.
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Re: Apple Music: Getting An Accurate Count

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hi, everyone, I also love Apple Music! Take care and have a super day. Esther.Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!On Jun 14, 2024, at 6:26 PM, lang...@gmail.com wrote:Hi all,I Love, love, Love Apple Music and have had it since it was introduced way back when. Over the years I’ve amassed a huge library of music of all styles, including classic rock, classical, country, jazz, bluegrass R&B and all kinds of stuff.  My old CD player died years ago, so I got rid of nearly all my CD’s and went online to replace my collection. I was talking to a buddy of mine the other day and introduced him to Apple Music and he’s really diggin’t it too. it occurred  to me that I couldn’t give him an accurate count of the potentially hundreds or even thousands of albums that I think that I’ve put into my library over the years. So I got into it recently, sorted by artists, then by albums and by Songs. In Artists, I showed 100 screens worth of stuff, and when I sorted by Albums, I got 1, 057 screens. When I sorted by Songs I got 4, 868 screens. This Is on my iPhone 12 Pro running the latest version of IOS. Is there a way that I can get an accurate count of artists, albums and songs? I didn’t see a way to do that, but I think it would be really nice to get those counts.  Is there a way to do that without endlessly scrolling through the lists, which doesn’t give me what I want? Thanks for all of your suggestions. I appreciate it.  Tom    



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Re: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement

[Esther Levegnale]

Hi,everyone,What time will this be held?  I'm looking forward to listening to the WWDC about the new phones that are coming out.Thanks.EstherSent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!On Jun 11, 2024, at 11:42 AM, Chela Robles  wrote:I believe the 15 series is the first one to offer the M chip.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 11, 2024, at 8:07 AM, Richard Turner  wrote:I kind of figured that, but was hoping.  Is the 15 the first model to use the M chips?  I think it is.I’m too lazy to go searching for that info right now.If in the fall when the 16 comes out, if my carrier offers a great trade-in deal on my 13 pro, I might update to the 15 pro, or even the 16 if the offer is good enough.  I won’t be holding my breath though, 😊.   Richard, USA"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Chela RoblesSent: Monday, June 10, 2024 9:44 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement Well, I got an email from Apple today and it looks like all the AI stuff is gonna be on all of the iPhone 15 models, not series 14. So I for one won’t be getting any major update as far as seeing anything with AI as to my knowledge since I have an iPhone 14.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 10, 2024, at 8:36 PM, Dennis Long  wrote:I agree. From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard WeitzelSent: Monday, June 10, 2024 5:45 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement We all know what Siri is like right now, but with full AI integration I have a feeling we may all be surprised how amazing it may end up being; of course from the little I heard this will not be one of these on/off moments where as soon as iOs 18 is released in September it will include all of what it will have a year from now and after the main .1, .2 and .3 updates which typically happen in Late October, before Christmas or in the new year and again in early March. And then of course it is my understanding that the true Apple Intelligence will require at least an iPhone 15 Pro or later so for many of us it may be years before we experience it all and by then of course even more powerful hardware and advances in AI will even add more functionality. One thing I am sure of is that in the next years we'll see a lot of cool stuff around all the AI development and we'll benefit greatly from it. From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cristóbal MuñozSent: Monday, June 10, 2024 12:30 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement I literally asked Siri this morning what time was the WWDC keynote and I got one of those generic “”this is what I found on the web.”Whatever they do or don’t’ do with Siri, it can’t be as bad as it is X years later than when it was introduced. Just one hot useless mess. Cristóbal From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tai TomasiSent: Monday, June 10, 2024 11:10 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement We are currently into a whole new section where they talk about AI. They just separated it.Tai Tomasi, J.D., M.P.A.Email: tai.toma...@gmail.comSent from my iPhone. Please excuse my brevity and any grammatical errors. On Jun 10, 2024, at 2:08 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote: After all the hipe in the tech media about how Apple was going to announce how Siri in iOS 18 would be deeply integrated with AI, it was disappointing to listen to the section about iOS 18 and to my knowledge not hear the word Siri or AI even once. Of course this could still mean that Apple decided to not go into this because maybe it's not yet ready to be presented and we'll hear all about it when the new iPhones are released in September, but I thought it was a bit of a let down anyways. Best regards,Sieghard -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@goo

Re: From Mark: Some Comments, Answers, and Questions - Walking Pads

[Esther Levegnale]

hi, everyone, I am just wondering just what this unit is? It sounds kind of neat. Anyway, I hope all of you have a good day. Esther.Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!On Jun 2, 2024, at 3:43 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:Hello Everyone, With regard to walking pads, I have not yet purchased one. I plan on doing so, this week.  I am still searching so if you have discovered a model that you find interesting, let us know. One thing I will insist on is that my unit must have, at least, 2.5  horse power.  Anything less than 2.5 will simply not last long enough, based on how I intend to use the unit. Mark  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tai TomasiSent: Saturday, June 1, 2024 8:14 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: From Mark: Some Comments, Answers, and Questions - Walking Pads Many people install these under desks and walk while working or doing other tasks. Having it under the desk means you can pull it out slightly to use, but you still can touch the desk while walking to stay oriented.Tai Tomasi, J.D., M.P.A.Email: tai.toma...@gmail.comSent from my iPhone. Please excuse my brevity and any grammatical errors. On Jun 1, 2024, at 11:08 PM, Richard  wrote:Good question.-Original Message-From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of James BentleySent: Saturday, June 1, 2024 7:40 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: From Mark: Some Comments, Answers, and Questions - Walking PadsIf these walking pads do not have a hand rail, how do you manage to stay on the pad?James B -Original Message-From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of RichardSent: Saturday, June 1, 2024 7:28 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: From Mark: Some Comments, Answers, and Questions - Walking PadsMark and all,I found several walking pads on Amazon. The better options I found were priced from $200 and up to About $380. They all could be stored under a bed and one producer claimed their pad could be stored under a sofa. A couple had adjustable incline features.A question for Mark and anyone else who might know. Even though those that send data to a  smart phone tracking app are at  a higher price point, are there any that are relatively easy to operate without vision? One walking pad used a remote control. I'm not sure about others.I'm interested in a walking pad after learning about them from Mark, so will appreciate any help about their accessibility..Richard Pettyrichard.pe...@earthlink.net-Original Message-From: M. Taylor  On Behalf Of M. TaylorSent: Saturday, June 1, 2024 3:34 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: From Mark: Some Comments, Answers, and QuestionsHello All,1.Well, I recently returned from a short vacation and during the trip, for the first time, I made extensive use of Air Tags.  I was delighted to discover that they work remarkably well.  However, to me, it seemed, that using the Find My app, with the Left Behind notification feature enabled, drain my battery a little faster than expected.  I don't know if this is exactly true because, during the journey, I did take more photos than normal and my screen brightness was set to a higher level in order for me to be able to see the phone's display, out in the sunlight.2.Someone, on list, suggested that she could not add a television series to her recorded list in Youtube TV for TVOS.  I just tested this feature on my Apple TV, and found that the feature functions as expected, when VoiceOver is enabled.3.One of the latest trends in home exercise is using a walking pad.Essentially, a walking pad is a much smaller version of a treadmill.Generally, the cost of a walking pad starts at around 140 USD.  Many of them require no assembly and do not have a handrail.  They are so very popular that, during my research, I discovered, at least, 30 brands with seemingly endless models.  As a former owner of over 12 full-size exercise devices including several very expensive commercial grade treadmills, which I used in order to achieve my various health goals many years ago, I have decided to purchase one of these walking pads.  For the record, although I thoroughly enjoyed my commercial grade devices, keeping those machines in proper order takes a great deal of tools, parts, and time (if one elects to maintain them by hand, as I did) or a great deal of money if one elects to have them serviced on a regular basis.  One feature that I would like to have on my new walking pad is the ability to have all of the exercise statistics sent to the Apple Health app.  So far, I have not found one that claims to do this.  At least, I have not found one less than 1000 USD that has this feature.  So, if you are using a walking pad or you discover one that has a smart app feature, let me know.  Thank you.4.In my home office, I have an Apple TV that was connected to a 14 year old 21 inch television.  For the past couple of years, because of var

Re: From Mark: Some Comments, Answers, and Questions

[Esther Levegnale]

hi, Mark, I never heard of a walking pad but it sounds very interesting. I 
exercise twice a day on my elliptical trainer which I have had since 2004 and 
it is still working like a charm. Anyway, take care and have a fabulous rest of 
the day. Esther.
Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!

> On Jun 1, 2024, at 4:34 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> 1.
> Well, I recently returned from a short vacation and during the trip, for the
> first time, I made extensive use of Air Tags.  I was delighted to discover
> that they work remarkably well.  However, to me, it seemed, that using the
> Find My app, with the Left Behind notification feature enabled, drain my
> battery a little faster than expected.  I don't know if this is exactly true
> because, during the journey, I did take more photos than normal and my
> screen brightness was set to a higher level in order for me to be able to
> see the phone's display, out in the sunlight.
> 
> 2.
> Someone, on list, suggested that she could not add a television series to
> her recorded list in Youtube TV for TVOS.  I just tested this feature on my
> Apple TV, and found that the feature functions as expected, when VoiceOver
> is enabled.
> 
> 3.
> One of the latest trends in home exercise is using a walking pad.
> Essentially, a walking pad is a much smaller version of a treadmill.
> Generally, the cost of a walking pad starts at around 140 USD.  Many of them
> require no assembly and do not have a handrail.  They are so very popular
> that, during my research, I discovered, at least, 30 brands with seemingly
> endless models.  As a former owner of over 12 full-size exercise devices
> including several very expensive commercial grade treadmills, which I used
> in order to achieve my various health goals many years ago, I have decided
> to purchase one of these walking pads.  For the record, although I
> thoroughly enjoyed my commercial grade devices, keeping those machines in
> proper order takes a great deal of tools, parts, and time (if one elects to
> maintain them by hand, as I did) or a great deal of money if one elects to
> have them serviced on a regular basis.  One feature that I would like to
> have on my new walking pad is the ability to have all of the exercise
> statistics sent to the Apple Health app.  So far, I have not found one that
> claims to do this.  At least, I have not found one less than 1000 USD that
> has this feature.  So, if you are using a walking pad or you discover one
> that has a smart app feature, let me know.  Thank you.
> 
> 4.
> In my home office, I have an Apple TV that was connected to a 14 year old 21
> inch television.  For the past couple of years, because of various reasons
> that are not relative to this topic, the active scan feature of Apple TV did
> not work with the set.  Basically, this means that the edges of the Apple TV
> display went beyond the edge of the television's visible area.  Not a big
> deal as I only use this set once or twice a year and when doing so, I mostly
> listened to the content, rather than watched it.  Still, I have been
> passively searching for a small form factor television to replace the old
> one.  In my experience, it has been almost impossible to locate a new,
> modern technology television, that is smaller than 24 inches.  I had almost
> given up when, in my local Best Buy store, a couple of days ago, we spotted
> an area of the store filled with Insignia branded televisions.  Insignia is
> Best Buy's house brand.  Guess what?  They have and I purchased a 19 inch
> model for 49 USD, before tax.  The biggest surprised? when I powered on the
> unit for the first time, a screen reader asked if I wanted to leave the
> screen reader on or turn it off.  This is a marvelous little set that offers
> anything you could want in a television; including a built-in screen reader.
> So, if you're in the market for a tiny TV that works beautifully with Apple
> TV, give the Insignia models a try.
> 
> Okay, I think that's all for now.
> 
> I hope you are all doing well and I look forward to any and all replies.
> 
> Mark
> 
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Re: SuperSense AI has an update: don't get excited

[Esther Levegnale]

I also enjoy envision AI. Esther.Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!On May 13, 2024, at 4:39 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:Well, I am about ready to delete the app since Envision AI, which is free, does as good a job with bar codes, which is my primary use of SuperSense. This BS about them always promising exciting new features has gone on long enough. And, they never reply to emails sent to them. Here is what the update says:Hello, Below are the latest updates and improvements in this release: 1) Minor UI changes and bug fixes for a faster and more stable experience. More exciting news and features are on the way! As always, we appreciate any feedback to provide our users with the best solutions. Please let us know what you think about Supersense by sending your thoughts to superse...@mediate.tech. Best, Supersense TeamRichard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ 



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Re: Question about iPhone case

[Esther Levegnale]

I believe it was called OtterBox. Thanks. Have a great day everyone. Best.Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!On May 6, 2024, at 1:44 PM, Rena  wrote:I bought the case from this company twice, but now I called an they don’t sell it anymore. I think the name was auto box, or something similar.I don’t know where to buy something that protects the phone on both sides. Any idea? Rena From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard TurnerSent: Saturday, May 4, 2024 2:12 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: Question about iPhone case I don’t know if they sell cases, but could it have been ATGuys?I believe that phone is identical in size and button configuration as the iPhone 8.  So a case for the 8, SE and SE 2022 should fit. www.atguys.com   Richard, USA"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of RenaSent: Saturday, May 4, 2024 11:05 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Question about iPhone case Hello, I just bought a new iPhone, SE2022 because my mother poured some sauerkraut on hers, so I gave her mine.I want to have another case like the one I had, but I don’t remember where I bought  it. The name of the place was something like t-guide. Rena-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/003b01da9e4d%248e9375f0%24abba61d0%24%40gmail.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/03d501da9e4e%247e751150%247b5f33f0%24%40comcast.net.



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Re: Caller ID Help Please.

[Esther Levegnale]

hi, everyone, I do the same thing. If I don't recognize a number, I will not 
answer the phone. Esther.
Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!

> On May 4, 2024, at 3:51 PM, janet gross  wrote:
> 
> Sieghard,
> 
> I do believe what you are saying, but I just can't imagine why a phone 
> carrier wouldn't give that option  to their customers.
> I think having a caller ID is important, and I thought all phone carriers 
> offered this option.
> Especially in this day and age, I find this quite surprising.
> I know so many people who will not even answer their phone unless they know 
> who is calling, and I am one of those people.
> If I don't know who is calling, I just simply don't answer my phone, and I 
> will wait to see if they leave a message, and if it is someone who I know, I 
> will call them back.
> 
> 
> Janet
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2024 1:26 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Caller ID Help Please.
> 
> There is no fix, it seems that Verizon and some other carrier simply don't 
> make this available.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joseph 
> hudson
> Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2024 11:20 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Caller ID Help Please.
> 
> Then my best bet would be to call Verizon and see if they can fix this for 
> you.
> 
>> On May 3, 2024, at 7:26 AM, Carolyn Arnold <2carolynarn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, our land line is Voice Call, connected to the Internet.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Joseph hudson
>> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2024 10:38 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Caller ID Help Please.
>> 
>> Hi Carolyn, to fix this problem on your landline a call to Verizon is in 
>> order. They can adjust your color ID settings where it will say your name 
>> whenever you call your landline. The only way I don't think this can be 
>> fixed, is if you're using one of those landline connect boxes.
>> 
 On May 2, 2024, at 5:10 PM, Carolyn Arnold <2carolynarn...@gmail.com> 
 wrote:
>>> 
>>> I went into My Card and put my name in, yet, still mine will show Wireless 
>>> Caller, when I call our landline. I'd like to know what to do about that 
>>> too, Janet.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of janet gross
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2024 4:50 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Caller ID Help Please.
>>> 
>>> Hi Everyone,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Some way some how my caller ID has been turned off.
>>> 
>>> When I call someone, they always ask why do I have my caller ID not shown.
>>> 
>>> I went in to  settings, phone, caller ID, tap on show my caller ID, but all 
>>> I get when I do that is a message says in progress.
>>> 
>>> I can’t seem to turn on my caller ID.
>>> 
>>> Is there some way I can turn on my caller ID so when I call someone they 
>>> will know the call is coming from me?
>>> 
>>> I have a XR with 17.4.1.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thank you all.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Janet
>>> 
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Re: Forwarding iMessages

[Esther Levegnale]

thanks for that information. Esther.Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!On Apr 9, 2024, at 3:00 PM, Bill Gallik  wrote:OK Mike, this is the steps you Lady (or anybody for that matter) needs to do to forward iMessage(s):1) Open the desired iMessage/Conversation2) After opening the desired iMessage (from Conversation), swipe down with one finger until encountering the “More” option3) Double that “More” option4) A list will appear, “Delete” will be the first choice, swipe right once more and “Forward” should be the second choice.5) Naturally, double tap on the “Forward” option and proceed
I can’t ascertain whether or not there’s a procedure to forward an entire conversation thread; I suspect that one must forward one iMessage at a time, but I wouldn’t bet the farm on this being the case.HTH- Bill from Wisconsin- “More business is lost every year through”- “neglect than through any other cause.”- Rose Kennedy

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Re: Update to Seeing AI now available.

[Esther Levegnale]

Hi,everyone,Wow!  I absolutely love Seeing AI, and it's good to know that there is an update!  Thanks for the info!EstherSent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!On Apr 8, 2024, at 4:46 AM, Sharonda White-Goode  wrote:I definitely agree that this update is quite significant, as I have many photos to clean off my phone. On Sat, Apr 6, 2024 at 10:04 AM Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:The Seeing Ai app continues to add new and useful features and in my opinion is still one of the best apps for any sort of OCR, currency recognition and so on. The fact that it is free of course is also a bonus and I only this morning tried the "Browse Photos" feature and it's much better than what you can do with Be My AI where at least to my knowledge you have to work from the Photos app, open each picture, tap share and send it to Be My AI for recognition. In the Seeing AI app you can give access to your photos library and as you open a picture you get a brief description, you can then tap on More Info and hear more. You can even delete pictures from the Seeing AI app although I find you may have to back out of the Browse Photos feature and go back in before the picture disappears from the list of pictures. Anyways, very nice and I definitely plan to try more of the new features like finding items/objects and also to try the Indoor Navigation feature which allows you to put down something like bread crumbs which you can then save as a route and follow.

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Hello,

An update to Seeing AI is available in the App Store, here’s what it says about the update.

• Find My Things - This new feature, available via the World channel on devices running iOS 14+, enables you to teach Seeing AI to recognize your personal objects. Most AI systems focus on large datasets of generic objects, so we built this system that provides an audio-first experience to teach new objects yourself. You can then follow the audio cues to locate your things. • Ask questions about photos (English only) - You can now ask Seeing AI questions about photos on the Scene channel, in Browse Photos, or those shared from another app. For example, after hearing the rich description, you may wish to hear more about a specific aspect of the image. • Rich image descriptions, when you tap "More Info", have been improved to include even more details. Additionally, the names of people you have taught Seeing AI to identify are now included. And, this is now available in all 19 languages in which Seeing AI is localized. • Handwriting recognition is now also available in Japanese and Korean. • Document orientation - After scanning a document, you can find out which way round it is - useful when organizing multiple pages for stapling, for example. Tap "More", then "Page Info". • Plus, various bug fixes under the hood.

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Re: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader

[Esther Levegnale]

hey, Diane and everyone, kudos to all of you! I totally agree with all of you! Take care and have a super weekend everyone! EstherSent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!On Apr 5, 2024, at 8:46 AM, Diane Giannetti  wrote:Amen to that one Dana. I couldn’t agree with you more.Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!On Apr 5, 2024, at 2:10 AM, Dana Leet  wrote:No one in the Blind community complains when prices go up at McDonald’s or if prices change on anything else that they have that is available in the court “sided world. I think this is utterly ridiculous that people were complaining about the people at VoiceStream reader having to make changes so that the app can stay around for a while, because costs for everything have skyrocketed. I should know trying to buy a house. The values of homes are double even triple what they were five years ago. It’s ridiculous right now. My thing is why complain. Be happy that we have something that works so well. What else is out there that even works half as good as this app with reading things on our devices. People are going to mess around and get the whole thing lost for all of us which is absolutely not a good idea at all. I applaud the people at applause that make voice stream reader, because I think it is an amazing app. And I will continue to support them.  I think it is absolutely ridiculous. How much this is gone on and on and on. Nobody complains about paying for Netflix, Hulu, YouTube TV, all these other things that whatever have you and just so you guys know this app is not only for people that are blind. It’s for people that have other reading disabilities as well.  So honestly I think 50 something dollars a year is ridiculous. That’s basically a dollar a week I don’t understand why you guys are complaining so much. It’s just absolutely ridiculous and it just makes me not proud to be blind. Dana. On Mar 31, 2024, at 5:20 PM, Dennis Long  wrote:I’m 42 I’ll be honest and say I haven’t seen a controversy where it won’t go away.  The community is united.  You don’t see that very often.  While I do think Voicedream cares I don’t know they truly get how much they have pissed off the community.  Again I’ve never seen this as bad as it is now.  The question is twofold   1 can Voicedream do enough to get back the blind community.2 can they do enough with the app to be around in another 5 or 10 years.I will say there are more expensive apps that do less but again I’ve never seen the community so united. From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Grant HardySent: Sunday, March 31, 2024 4:47 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader Hi Arnold, None of these would happen. Nothing that dramatic would occur. What Apple could do is simply reject their update and tell them to fix the app so functionality isn't taken away from previous customers. The Apple review team rejects many new apps and app updates on a regular basis and it's not a big deal. Devs just implement the required changes and then they're good to go. Alternatively, if the code is already live with the update released last week, Apple could pull the app from the store until they fix it, especially since the change was undocumented until you installed the update. However it's also possible that this will fly under Apple's radar or that they'll choose to not act. Even though this clearly doesn't jive with my reading of the guidelines, subscription models are all over the place and I think a lot of this type of behaviour flies under the radar. The review team doesn't catch everything. Of course it's also possible I'm simply reading the guidelines incorrectly.Grant Hardy  On Sun, Mar 31, 2024 at 1:38 PM Arnold Schmidt  wrote:Another thing to wonder about: Suppose Apple investigates and decides that their guidelines have been violated. What can Apple do about it that won't hurt everybody. They can simply remove VoiceDream from the app store. They could sue the developers and end up in court which would probably take years to resolve. Apple could issue some update to the IOS which would prevent VoiceDream from operating while the issue is resolved.Or, the developers could just say, well, to heck with it, we will simply stop supporting the thing and go out of business because it isn't worth going to court over.  If any of these solutions are acurate, we all would end up worse off than if Apple just let it go.  Arnold Schmidt  Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 3On Mar 31, 2024, at 3:55 PM, Grant Hardy  wrote:Hi Arnold, As per your second point, there could still be lots of reasons to get a subscription, but they should revolve around new features. The developers could release new features on top of the existing app, and if they were compelling enough then users would definitely want to subscribe to get access to them. However, as of my understanding of this app, subscriptions shouldn't charge for features 

Re: Accessable fitness tracker

[Esther Levegnale]

yes, the app is very much accessible. I have had a Fitbit for many years and absolutely love it! Sometimes when I'm watching TV, not literally watching, of course, because I can't see, I stand up and run place so that I could get a lot of steps on my Fitbit. I just bought the Fitbit charge six and it's great! Anyway, I hope all of you have a super weekend. Esther.Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!On Apr 5, 2024, at 11:48 AM, Barbara Stahl  wrote:So I know that the fitbit itself is completely inaccessible.  However, what about the app?  Can you see all of the information like heart rate and activity from the app?  On Apr 5, 2024, at 2:10 AM, Esther Levegnale  wrote:hi, everyone, I use the Fitbit tracker and I love it. When it gets to be 10 minutes before the hour, it reminds you to move by making too quick vibrations. I have the charge six, which is a Roman numeral number. Take care everyone. Esther. P. S. I meant to tell you that I bought it at Best Buy. Thanks.Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!On Mar 30, 2024, at 12:03 PM, Barbara Stahl  wrote:Hi list!  What are your opinions on the most accessible fitness trackers?  Is the apple watch the best, or is a fitbit product just as good for fitness related things?  Or is there something else out there that is acceffsible and reasonably priced?  



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Re: Update to Seeing AI now available.

[Esther Levegnale]

hi, everyone, I also think that Seeing AI is a wonderful and awesome app! I 
hope all of you have a fantastic day. Esther.
Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!

> On Apr 6, 2024, at 1:08 PM, Michael Irons  wrote:
> 
> I use Seeing AI quite a bit. I very much like the fact that it has been 
> free. I use it a lot to identify my paper money. It also helps me read my 
> packages that I have frozen food in. I find the app, quite useful and hope 
> that more people would get into using it. I have use the part about looking 
> at photos a little bit, I find that part of it very useful.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 6, 2024, at 12:04 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> The Seeing Ai app continues to add new and useful features and in my 
>> opinion is still one of the best apps for any sort of OCR, currency 
>> recognition and so on. The fact that it is free of course is also a bonus 
>> and I only this morning tried the "Browse Photos" feature and it's much 
>> better than what you can do with Be My AI where at least to my knowledge you 
>> have to work from the Photos app, open each picture, tap share and send it 
>> to Be My AI for recognition. In the Seeing AI app you can give access to 
>> your photos library and as you open a picture you get a brief description, 
>> you can then tap on More Info and hear more. You can even delete pictures 
>> from the Seeing AI app although I find you may have to back out of the 
>> Browse Photos feature and go back in before the picture disappears from the 
>> list of pictures. Anyways, very nice and I definitely plan to try more of 
>> the new features like finding items/objects and also to try the Indoor 
>> Navigation feature which allows you to put down something like bread crumbs 
>> which you can then save as a route and follow.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Malcolm Parfitt
>> Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2024 3:04 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Update to Seeing AI now available.
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> An update to Seeing AI is available in the App Store, here’s what it says 
>> about the update.
>> 
>> • Find My Things - This new feature, available via the World channel on 
>> devices running iOS 14+, enables you to teach Seeing AI to recognize your 
>> personal objects. Most AI systems focus on large datasets of generic 
>> objects, so we built this system that provides an audio-first experience to 
>> teach new objects yourself. You can then follow the audio cues to locate 
>> your things. • Ask questions about photos (English only) - You can now ask 
>> Seeing AI questions about photos on the Scene channel, in Browse Photos, or 
>> those shared from another app. For example, after hearing the rich 
>> description, you may wish to hear more about a specific aspect of the image. 
>> • Rich image descriptions, when you tap "More Info", have been improved to 
>> include even more details. Additionally, the names of people you have taught 
>> Seeing AI to identify are now included. And, this is now available in all 19 
>> languages in which Seeing AI is localized. • Handwriting recognition is now 
>> also available in Japanese and Korean. • Document orientation - After 
>> scanning a document, you can find out which way round it is - useful when 
>> organizing multiple pages for stapling, for example. Tap "More", then "Page 
>> Info". • Plus, various bug fixes under the hood.
>> 
>> Malcolm Parfitt
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Re: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue

[Esther Levegnale]

hi, , Sieghard

Kudos to you!

Esther
Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!

> On Mar 29, 2024, at 7:41 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> You suggest none of us give them a dime, I suggest everybody does what they 
> feel is best for them and let's stop bad mouthing them because you don't 
> agree with their business decision which is entirely theirs to make. This is 
> getting old and it's a repeat of the same issue when some app developer who 
> started out with a free app realized they had to charge something since free 
> wasn't paying their bills. It's one thing for a company like Microsoft to 
> offer Seeing AI for free, it's another thing for an app developer or maybe a 
> small group of developers who joined together and want to make a living from 
> what they do to offer their work for free. I remember the outrage when years 
> ago the Flexy keyboard became a paid app and there are other examples, there 
> are also some examples where an app was a paid app at first and then it 
> became a free app and of course people who initially paid a few bucks were 
> then mad because they could now get it for free. The important lesson is that 
> none of these apps are around any more and if people want quality apps which 
> they use daily to continue and to not just get a few bug fixes but also new 
> features, then they have to pay something for them. How often has this come 
> over the years regarding Jaws and their SMA cost every two years or more 
> recently the annual subscription model. Strangely nobody complains about the 
> monthly or annual subscription costs of Netflix, Disney Plus, Apple TV, Apple 
> Music, Spotify and on and on. From what I read the new owner of Voice Dream 
> Reader has released updates with new features, voices are now included, 
> OneDrive support was added and they say there are plans to add Kindle support 
> which I think for many would be a very big deal and just because they maybe 
> haven't joined every iPhone list where they engage directly with our 
> community does not mean they are a " crappy corporation" who only cares about 
> money. I own a retail store and it's an incorporated business and I 
> definitely care about making money because that is my job, but that does not 
> mean I don't care about my customers and providing them with good service and 
> about my community where I donate thousands of Dollars each year to all sorts 
> of organisations, events and fund raisers. The vague statement about the 
> "crappy corporation and money is all they care about." Indicates that you 
> probably don't know anything at all about the individuals behind the company 
> and why they decided to buy Voice Dream Reader, yes, I say buy because while 
> I also don't know for sure, I am pretty certain Winston Chen didn't just give 
> it to them after years of work because he is such a nice guy. I also read 
> another post where it was stated the developer doesn't care or engage with 
> our community. Let's not forget that this is not strictly an app for the 
> blind, but it's also for people with dyslexia and just regular sighted people 
> who want an app which can read books, PDF's, web articles etc. It says in the 
> app description that it is " Optimized for VoiceOver, Braille and switch 
> control" and has " High contrast and large font size for low vision 
> readers.", but that is only part of its many features.
> Just move on, buy the subscription and enjoy the app if you want to don't and 
> shut up if you don't; anything else people say about has been said already.
> 
> Best regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of The 
> Evil Chocolate Cookie
> Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2024 2:31 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue
> 
> I suggest none of us give them a dime. It’s own edby some crappy corporation 
> now and money is all they care about.
> 
>> On Mar 27, 2024, at 5:28 PM, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
>> 
>> It appears to me that what ever the rights, wrongs and merits of the new 
>> pricing structure are the choice is simple, subscribe or don’t.
>> 
>> I doubt very much that the  creators of the app in question monitor this 
>> list so all we are doing is arguing amongst ourselves.
>> 
>> It is well worth noting that software is often licensed and not sold.  I 
>> have an Apple Music subscription and as long as that is active I can play 
>> any music in their catalogue.  They may increase the price of the 
>> subscription at any time.  If I choose to terminate my subscription I am no 
>> longer able to play their music even if it has been downloaded to my device.
>> 
>> Apps have changed to a subscription model before or added in app purchases 
>> so this is nothing new or unscrupulous.
>> 
>> Pay your money and make your choice.  No one is holding you to ransom.
>> Malcolm Parfitt
>> 
 On 27 Mar 2024, at 9:16 PM, Dennis Long  wrote:
>>

Re: Accessable fitness tracker

[Esther Levegnale]

hi, everyone, I use the Fitbit tracker and I love it. When it gets to be 10 minutes before the hour, it reminds you to move by making too quick vibrations. I have the charge six, which is a Roman numeral number. Take care everyone. Esther. P. S. I meant to tell you that I bought it at Best Buy. Thanks.Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!On Mar 30, 2024, at 12:03 PM, Barbara Stahl  wrote:Hi list!  What are your opinions on the most accessible fitness trackers?  Is the apple watch the best, or is a fitbit product just as good for fitness related things?  Or is there something else out there that is acceffsible and reasonably priced?  



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Re: Accessible doorbell systems

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I believe ring doorbell is a good one. Anyway, good luck. Esther.Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!On Mar 10, 2024, at 6:25 AM, djrisav...@att.net wrote:Hello all,I was wondering what anyone suggest or recommend as the most accessible and also affordable doorbell system is for a single widower person living in a small size condo that can be accessed with various devices like iPhones, google home or Alexa and how easy are they to set up?Thanks.Don 



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Re: Taking pictures with Iphone

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thanks very much. I can't wait to read her book! Esther.Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!On Feb 22, 2024, at 10:23 AM, Richard Turner  wrote:Here is the information on Judy Dixon’s book.  Note, it is a updated version of her original book titled “Get The Picture,” so you will see a reference to that title.:It is available in these formats: BRAILLE BRAILLE BRAILLE (BRF DOWNLOAD) DAISY (DOWNLOAD)WORD FILE (DOWNLOAD) I believe it is $18.Here is the link: https://shop.nbp.org/products/capturing-and-sharing-the-world?_pos=1&_sid=5a0d6505a&_ss=r Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ Microsoft Windows 11 Core Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.2715), JAWS version 2024.2310.70.400  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Esther LevegnaleSent: Thursday, February 22, 2024 7:04 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Taking pictures with Iphone hi, Judy, I would love to have that book. Sounds really neat! Esther.Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!On Feb 21, 2024, at 2:23 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:If you want to get more in depth on how to take good pictures, I recommend buying Judy Dixon's book, Capturing and Sharing the Wworld available in multiple formats from National Braille Press, www.nbp.org.She is totally blind, and consulted with a professional photographer in learning how to take better pictures. I also recommend Be My Eyes as the app to use to describe the photo.   Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Feb 21, 2024, at 9:21 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:If you want to just take ictures the Canera pp which comes preinstalled on your iPhone is fine. If you are taking pictures of people, Voiceover even tells you if the person's face is centred or if not it may say something "1 face near top edge" or "2 faces near right edge".If you want AI generated descriptions then you have to use the Be My Eyes app which contains the "Be My AI" service. After taking a picture it will genberate a description which can take anywhere from a few seconds to maybe 10 seconds. Once you have Be My Eyes installed, you can also open a picture in the Photos app, tap Share and select "Describe with Be My Ai" fron the list of actions and it will generate a description of a picture you already have.-Original Message-From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Star GazerSent: Wednesday, February 21, 2024 9:04 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Taking pictures with Iphone           I’d like to learn to do this. I know I can with the paid app who’s name I can’t remember, I’d like to do this without paying for a service, I do it just enough to want the capability, not enough to want to pay a lot of money to do it. Any ideas? Also, piggybacking on this, what ai apps do you all recommend to describe the images once taken? -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/42C74B3F-3FA0-4DCD-A4F6-192C76FF1310%40gmail.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viph

Re: Taking pictures with Iphone

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hi, Judy, I would love to have that book. Sounds really neat! Esther.Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!On Feb 21, 2024, at 2:23 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:If you want to get more in depth on how to take good pictures, I recommend buying Judy Dixon's book, Capturing and Sharing the Wworld available in multiple formats from National Braille Press, www.nbp.org.She is totally blind, and consulted with a professional photographer in learning how to take better pictures. I also recommend Be My Eyes as the app to use to describe the photo. Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Feb 21, 2024, at 9:21 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:If you want to just take ictures the Canera pp which comes preinstalled on your iPhone is fine. If you are taking pictures of people, Voiceover even tells you if the person's face is centred or if not it may say something "1 face near top edge" or "2 faces near right edge".If you want AI generated descriptions then you have to use the Be My Eyes app which contains the "Be My AI" service. After taking a picture it will genberate a description which can take anywhere from a few seconds to maybe 10 seconds. Once you have Be My Eyes installed, you can also open a picture in the Photos app, tap Share and select "Describe with Be My Ai" fron the list of actions and it will generate a description of a picture you already have.-Original Message-From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Star GazerSent: Wednesday, February 21, 2024 9:04 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Taking pictures with Iphone            I’d like to learn to do this. I know I can with the paid app who’s name I can’t remember, I’d like to do this without paying for a service, I do it just enough to want the capability, not enough to want to pay a lot of money to do it. Any ideas? Also, piggybacking on this, what ai apps do you all recommend to describe the images once taken? -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/42C74B3F-3FA0-4DCD-A4F6-192C76FF1310%40gmail.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/PH7PR12MB56565C61C9AAAFCE2B40E5DAC7572%40PH7PR12MB5656.namprd12.prod.outlook.com.



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Re: What has happened to Voice Dream scanner?

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Hi,everyone,I really enjoy reading my mail and other documents using VD Scan.  It's a super app!Take care, everyone.EstherSent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!On Jan 13, 2024, at 10:30 AM, Richard Turner  wrote:Kerry,Winston stills owns and supports Voice Dream Scanner.  Only he changed the name to VDScan to separate it from the Voice Dream Reader that he sold to the Applause Group. VDScan is working perfectly for me on my iPhone 13 pro. Here is the link to VDScan on the app store.https://apps.apple.com/us/app/vdscan/id1446737725 I do not believe you can use the Voice Dream Reader voices any longer. Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ Microsoft Windows 11 Core Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.2715), JAWS version 2024.2310.70.400  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kerry MacdonaldSent: Saturday, January 13, 2024 5:39 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: What has happened to Voice Dream scanner? Hi all. I would like to be able to use my voice stream scanner app, however, when I try to update it in the App Store, it simply updates, my voice stream reader app. When I try to open my Scanner app on my phone, it just does not open. Have they removed this app and any and all support for it? I bought these apps back when Winston was in charge of all of them, so do not have the subscription version. Are they now being awful, and requiring us to pay a subscription fee to use the Scanner app? Thanks in advance.I do not like the way this new group is running this app. Are there any ways to purchase any updated versions of voices or any new voices? It is a much more difficult app to use I think than when Winston was running it. Any help or suggestions would be appreciated. I have some documents I need to scan so would like to be able to continue to use the app.   Kerry Sent from my iPhone-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/221F381B-56CE-453C-A3E7-23EAA486CC84%40gmail.com.



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Re: Siri and music recognition

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I also have Shazam in my Music app. I don't ever remember downloading it. I do 
like Apple Music, however. I guess Shazam would be pretty good too. Maybe I 
will try it. Anyway, I hope all of you have a wonderful day. It's nice and 
sunny, but chilly here in Connecticut. Esther 
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> On Jan 5, 2024, at 8:42 AM, Tom Rash  wrote:
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> Do we even need Shazam?  I know we used to use Shazam, but after Apple, I 
> assume bought it, I don’t have envoke   Shazam, I just ask Siri to identify a 
> song.  I don’t do it a lot, but is my assumption correct?
> 
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>> On Jan 4, 2024, at 7:52 PM, Feliciano Godoy  
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>> I solbed this by putting Shazam app on my home page. More efficient.
>> Feliciano
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 On Jan 4, 2024, at 5:39 PM, Tom Lange  wrote:
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>>> Hi folks,
>>> Up until IOS 17's recent updates, I've been able to ask Siri what music is 
>>> being played on the radio, through my Sonos speakers or whatever. But now 
>>> it says it can't recognize music right now, which it used to do pretty 
>>> reliably. When I asked Siri why it can't do that, it gives me the usual BS 
>>> answer about it finding something on the web but won't give me a direct 
>>> answer, which is another pet peeve. Don't tell me that you found something 
>>> on the web, just give me the effin' answer, dammit! I get so aggravated 
>>> with Siri's apparent stupidity and annoying behavior.  So what's the deal 
>>> with Siri's inability to recognize music that's being played and picked up 
>>> with the phone's microphone? Anybody notice this? If so, what did you do 
>>> about it? Thanks,
>>> Tom
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Re: Just a Quick Thanks to you All, from Moderator Mark

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hi, Mark, and everyone. I echo these sentiments as well. Take care. Esther.Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!On Jan 2, 2024, at 12:11 AM, VIPhone  wrote:Hello Everyone,I just wanted each and everyone of you to know how much I appreciate being a part of this online community.Even though I am fortunate to live at this time in history, there are moments when the challenges of being visually impaired make me feel most alone in my struggles.  At these moments, I think of this community and remind myself that I am, in fact, not alone for I know many of you face the same or similar challenges and, for me at least, that makes the challenges a little more bearable.So, I thank you all for being there and wish you all a Happy New Year.May 2024 be the most accessible year, ever.Sincerely,Moderator Mark



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Re: My phone sounds different. What can I do?

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hi, everyone, I do like the new sounds in the new upgrade. Take care and have a fabulous day. Esther.Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!On Dec 27, 2023, at 10:24 AM, Chela Robles  wrote:iOS 17 introduced new sounds that’s the only thing I can come up with. But they still have the older sounds.Sent from my iPhoneOn Dec 27, 2023, at 7:02 AM, Rena  wrote:Do you have any idea why it changed? It happened some days after update to iOS 17. Rena  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Chela RoblesSent: Tuesday, December 26, 2023 11:59 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: My phone sounds different. What can I do? Go to the Settings app go to where it says sounds and vibrations and go to where it says ringtone double tap on that and then you’ll see an option for whatever kind of tones you want. You can scroll through them and pick what that sounds good to you.Sent from my iPhoneOn Dec 26, 2023, at 7:28 AM, Rena  wrote:Hello, Suddenly, my iPhone SE iOS 17, has a different sound when I receive a call. The ring is too soft and short. Is there any way to have the same ring that I had before?Why did it change? Rena-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/00b901da3810%242e0d80c0%248a288240%24%40gmail.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/790F3665-3DD4-47AB-9301-EC3C33D0967D%40gmail.com.



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Re: Loss of Siri voices when iPhone is on charge.

[Esther Levegnale]

hi, I remember that song does your chewing gum lose its flavor on the bed post 
overnight. Good analogy. Loved it. Esther.
Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!

> On Dec 16, 2023, at 6:37 PM, Carolyn Arnold <2carolynarn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I remember that song, LOL. Good one, does your iPhone lose its voice, while 
> on the charger over night. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Malcolm Parfitt
> Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2023 4:23 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Loss of Siri voices when iPhone is on charge.
> 
> For some time now I have been using Siri voice3 British dialect with my 
> iPhone 15 Pro Max.
> 
> For some reason it keeps losing the voice and reverting to Daniel.  This has 
> been happening when the device is on its wireless charger over night.
> 
> If I want to restore the voice it is necessary to redownload it in the 
> morning.
> 
> Sadly this issue persists in the latest beta.
> 
> It used to occurs on my Apple Watch too but this is no longer the case.
> 
> I wonder how many people will remember the song, Does Your Chewing Gum Lose 
> It's Flavour (On the Bedpost Overnight? Lonnie Donegan.  Well perhaps we 
> could now sing:  Does your iPhone lose its voices on the charger overnight?
> 
> 
> Any thoughts welcome.
> 
> Malcolm Parfitt
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Re: My latest purchase of a new mechanical keyboard

[Esther Levegnale]

I have the Apple Magic keyboard and absolutely love it!  I've had it for years.Anyway, I hope all of you have a good day!EstherSent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!On Dec 10, 2023, at 4:31 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:







During black Friday I ended up buying a Keychron K10 pro mechanical keyboard because I recently had come across a few reviews of that brand.
In short, I am going to keep it since it is highly customizable and I want to play around with it, as it is out of the box I am not entirely happy with it, but it is mainly because of the type of switches it uses and the typing feel they
 provide. Here is a more detailed description:
 
you can use this keyboard in wired mode where you connect it to your computer with a USB-C cable, but you can also switch it to Bluetooth mode to use it with your iPhone, Android phone or a laptop or of course a desktop provided it has
 Bluetooth. The switch is a slider on the back left of the keyboard, to the left it is wired, in the middle it is off and to the right is Bluetooth.

It then has a second slider switch which changes the layout from Windows/Android to Mac/iOS, left is Mac/iOS and right is Windows/Android.
When I looked up how to put it in pairing mode online, the instruction said to of course switch it to Bluetooth mode and then to press the FN key + 1 on the number row for 4 seconds.
I felt the keys before and noticed a standard layout with Control, Windows Key and Alt on the left side of the spacebar and Alt, Windows Key, what I assume was an application key and Control on the right.
So I took a picture of the keys near the bottom with Be My Eyes and it told me that the picture was of a mechanical keyboard with several keys visible. I think it mentioned some of the key labels, I then sent a message asking if there
 was an FN key and the reply came back promptly “Yes, there is a FN key on the right side between the Windows Key and the Control Key”. Man, I really love this Be My AI service! In other words what I thought was the application key was in fact the FN key.
And for those who may wonder, no there is no application key, a Windows key on each side of the spacebar yes, but no application/context menu key.
However, in addition to the typical F1 to F12 keys on the top and the Printscreen, Scroll Lock and Pause keys to the right of the F-Keys, there is in fact an F13, F14, F15 and F16 key which are above the numeric pad.
These can be programmed. However, this is as far as I can tell not an accessible process as an application called "VIA" is used for this and one has to drag whatever you want the key to do to the key.
In fact, you can completely assign anything to any key including macros and in addition to that the keyboard can be completely customized with whatever mechanical switches you want to use.
The version I bought from Amazon Canada for a sale price of $109 Canadian comes with Gateron switches and I believe they are the Linear Brown switches. It's wonderful typing, very quiet, but I think for my taste they are too sensitive
 and often even lightly resting my fingers on the F and J may end up putting one of them into my text. It's also very easy to type say a "ds" if all you wanted was a "d" if you are not a very precise typist. In the end I will most likely order either a set
 of Gateron switches which are more equivalent to a Cherry MX Blue wjhich is a more clicky switch and requires a bit more force before it registers. The nice thing is that you can use actual Cherry MX switches in that keyboard in addition to the somewhat less
 exxpensive Gateron switches and you can even use KAILH switches. How easy it is to disassemble the keyboard, pull the switches and reinstall the others I don't know, bvut my store manager is a very handy person so I'll probably get him to do it or at least
 show me in case I could do it.
 
Best regards,
Sieghard
 
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Andrew J LaPointe
Sent: Saturday, December 9, 2023 1:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: App to see power light?
 
Good afternoon Richard, I have the color identifier that also has a light detector. That part works quite well. I also for $25 got a keychain type of light detector from laws actually not loves it was the tech guys. That works quite
 well. also small enough to keep in your pocket of purse or whatever you’re using. so those two are standalone. Anyway, good luck.

Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Dec 9, 2023, at 12:39 PM, Richard  wrote:
> 
> Kim,
> 
> I am terribly sorry for your loss and I send thoughts and prayers in your late husband's memory and for you  in difficult times. Surely these small things such as checking lights can become  quite big without assistance. I have the
 hope you will soon have a simple  solution.
> 
> My experience is that iPhone apps aren't as good as  the light probes that once were available--and still may be

Re: Seeing AI.

[Esther Levegnale]

I love it as well! It's a wonderful app! Esther

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!

> On Jul 11, 2023, at 6:09 PM, Carolyn Arnold <2carolynarn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I finally did get it, and boy do I like it! 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Robert Doc Wright
> Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2023 8:59 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Seeing AI.
> 
> they are probably having the same problem I had. though the light detector 
> was checked in settings it wasn't showing in the list. I had to DT it again 
> and it appeared.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2023 11:53 PM
> Subject: RE: Seeing AI.
> 
> 
> What are all the channels  you do have?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Carolyn Arnold
> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2023 6:01 PM
> To: viPhone 
> Subject: Seeing AI.
> 
> Tonight, I tried finding Light Detector, and could not find it. I haven't 
> used it, and now that I think about it, I think I'll try to see if there 
> still is a video, where I can read about it. But, do any of you know just how 
> I find stuff? I tried swiping up in Channel and kind of had an uncertain time 
> of it and did not find Light Detector. Thanks for any help.
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Re: light detector

[Esther Levegnale]

hi, everyone, even though I myself can see light, sometimes during the day I 
cannot tell whether a light is on or off. This app is really really neat! 
Thanks for telling us all about it. Esther

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!

> On Jul 8, 2023, at 8:11 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Here you go Dennis. I'd sent it earlier in the thread, but it looks like 
> someone may have changed the thread or something.
> https://apps.apple.com/us/app/light-detector/id420929143
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard, USA.
> “What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
> consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
> 
> 
>>> On Jul 8, 2023, at 5:02 PM, Dennis Long  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> C someone pleas post the link?
>> 
 On Jul 8, 2023, at 8:00 PM, Robin Frost  wrote:
 
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> That's how I found it I searched for the developer instead of its name and 
>>> found it that way. Now that it's back those that had it already might see 
>>> it once again in their purchased apps. I looked on the app's page to see if 
>>> there was contact info for its developer but alas there didn't seem to be 
>>> any. So while i"m glad for news of its return I'm still glad to know of 
>>> other options just in case it should disappear again for any number of 
>>> reasons not the least of which being that one day it might not be 
>>> compatible with an iOS update. Still I'm glad to have it back in my toolbox 
>>> of available tools for now.
>>> 
>>> Take good care,
>>> 
>>> Robin
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 7/8/2023 7:45 PM, Karen Poulakos wrote:
 I’ve had this for several years. 
  
 Just checked the App Store.  It appears to be available, but you have to 
 hunt through lots of apps to find it.  I found it on “page 9 of 25.”  On 
 my phone it was at the top of the page.You should hear “Light 
 Dectector, Utilities, 4 stars, 5 ratings.”  It says it’s version 1.4, 7 y 
 ago,   
 The developer is Retina Italia Onlus
  
 Karen P
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
 Of Louise Peyton
 Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2023 4:03 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: light detector
  
 Hi, Karen:
 I looked for a light detector app in the app store, but found light 
 detector apps for fingerprint scans.  How is it represented in the app 
 store?  Thanks.
 Louise
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
 Karen Poulakos
 Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2023 2:01 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: light detector
  
 I didn’t realize until today that Seeing AI has a Light Dectector.  That’s 
 good to know.  However I have the app called Light Detector, which I think 
 may be the same one Regina mentioned.  I really like that app, and use it 
 often.  It’s so easy!  You just tap the app, and it starts working right 
 away when it opens.  No menus to deal with.  
  
 Karen P
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
 Of regina alvarado
 Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2023 12:18 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: light detector
  
 Hi, I really think it’s sad that seeing AI ditched the Light Detector. 
 However, I found an app called Light Detector. It works very well. You 
 just open it and it starts the highest loudest sound is that the light is 
 on and then when you turn it off, it goes down to a low level of sound. 
 That’s all that the app does. It’s called light detector. Hope that helps. 
 On 
 Reggie alvarado
  
 Jul 8, 2023, at 11:04 AM, Richard Turner  
 wrote:
 
 
 Hi Gradimir,
  
 It looks like Seeing Assistant Home has had quite a bit of good 
 development since I first tried it several years ago.
  
 I do have a question.  It took a lot of digging through the tutorial to 
 find the below section concerning the limitations of the light version 
 which I copied from the tutorial.
 My question is, and I guess it is two questions, What is the cost of the 
 non-light version and how does one find that version?
 I found nothing about in-app purchases in the app store or in the app.
  
  
 Limitations of LITE version
 
 LITE version of Seeing Assistant Home has several limitations, such as: 
 
 Lack of Dropbox support,
 Only 5 codes can be created,
 Only 10 characters can be embedded in QR code,
 Lack of voice commands,
 Magnifying glass and Light Detector can be used only 1 minute every day.
 Warnings and disclaimer
 
 Seeing Assistant Home uses internet connection to work. If you are not 
 connected to WiFi network or do not have internet plan data transfer might 
 result in additional costs. Transition T

Re: What is happen to the Viphone list?

[Esther Levegnale]

No kidding, right?

Esther

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!

> On Jun 9, 2023, at 10:02 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> For $3500 I would expect the vision Pro headset to be amazing and to clean 
> my house and do the cooking.
> 
> 
> 
> Richard, USA.
> “What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
> consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
> 
> 
>> On Jun 9, 2023, at 1:46 AM, juanhernande...@gmail.com wrote:
>> I am excited about the apple vision pro.  It'll have voice over support, 
>> and all of the great accessibility features we've come to love on other 
>> apple products.  I am excited to see what will come abwhen using vision pro.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. 
>> Taylor
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2023 7:30 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: What is happen to the Viphone list?
>> 
>> You are a funny man, my friend (big smile).
>> 
>> Actually, I am only halfway through the presentation, as yet.  It's a bit 
>> long and, to be honest, the keynote presentation format has gotten a bit 
>> tiresome.
>> 
>> I mean, Apple announces new stickers as though they have come up with a cure 
>> for cancer.  
>> 
>> And you know what?  Several of the app features they present as ground 
>> breaking can already be done on Android.  
>> 
>> Not that I am bitter but I think the reason list traffic is slow, this year, 
>> is because there was nothing truly exciting, at least, not from my 
>> perspective.  I have yet to watch the Vision Pro presentation but with a 
>> price tag at over $3000, it might as well not exist.
>> 
>> Wow, I do sound a bit bitter, eh?  (smile).
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Monday, June 5, 2023 10:44 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: What is happen to the Viphone list?
>> 
>> I had no time to listen to Apple's keynote this morning nor this evening so 
>> far. I surely thought I would find a lot of messages discussing what was 
>> said tonight, but to my surprise there was not a single message.
>> I really thought I would see a lot of comments as used to be the case about 
>> iOS 17 and find a request from Mark for all of our mailing addresses so he 
>> can place preorders for everybody for the $3,500 US virtual reality headset 
>> which Apple apparently announced for early 2024 😂
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Re: What is happen to the Viphone list?

[Esther Levegnale]

No Kidding, right?

Esther

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!

> On Jun 9, 2023, at 10:02 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> For $3500 I would expect the vision Pro headset to be amazing and to clean 
> my house and do the cooking.
> 
> 
> 
> Richard, USA.
> “What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
> consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
> 
> 
>>> On Jun 9, 2023, at 1:46 AM, juanhernande...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>> I am excited about the apple vision pro.  It'll have voice over support, 
>> and all of the great accessibility features we've come to love on other 
>> apple products.  I am excited to see what will come abwhen using vision pro.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. 
>> Taylor
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2023 7:30 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: What is happen to the Viphone list?
>> 
>> You are a funny man, my friend (big smile).
>> 
>> Actually, I am only halfway through the presentation, as yet.  It's a bit 
>> long and, to be honest, the keynote presentation format has gotten a bit 
>> tiresome.
>> 
>> I mean, Apple announces new stickers as though they have come up with a cure 
>> for cancer.  
>> 
>> And you know what?  Several of the app features they present as ground 
>> breaking can already be done on Android.  
>> 
>> Not that I am bitter but I think the reason list traffic is slow, this year, 
>> is because there was nothing truly exciting, at least, not from my 
>> perspective.  I have yet to watch the Vision Pro presentation but with a 
>> price tag at over $3000, it might as well not exist.
>> 
>> Wow, I do sound a bit bitter, eh?  (smile).
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Monday, June 5, 2023 10:44 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: What is happen to the Viphone list?
>> 
>> I had no time to listen to Apple's keynote this morning nor this evening so 
>> far. I surely thought I would find a lot of messages discussing what was 
>> said tonight, but to my surprise there was not a single message.
>> I really thought I would see a lot of comments as used to be the case about 
>> iOS 17 and find a request from Mark for all of our mailing addresses so he 
>> can place preorders for everybody for the $3,500 US virtual reality headset 
>> which Apple apparently announced for early 2024 😂
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Re: Just a Quick Hello To Everyone on the List from Moderator Mark

[Esther Levegnale]

pretty cool! Esther

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!

> On Jun 6, 2023, at 10:28 PM, Wendy Lin  wrote:
> 
>  We sure do. I normally do the router gesture by using my thumb and middle 
> fingers. Been doing that for many years now.
> 
>>> On Jun 6, 2023, at 9:43 PM, Esther Levegnale  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wow.  That's pretty good as well. I guess we all have our own ways of doing 
>>> things. Take care. Esther
>>> 
>>> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!
>>> 
>>> On Jun 6, 2023, at 9:27 PM, Barbara Stahl  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> That is interesting.  I do the roder gesture like this:  I hold the phone 
>>> vertically using my thumbs and middle and ring fingers of both hands and 
>>> then I swipe my two index fingers across the screen together to the right 
>>> or left.  It seems pretty easy to me.  
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 6, 2023, at 6:46 PM, Esther Levegnale  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi, everyone,
>>>> 
>>>> The trick to the rotor is to have your thumb and index finger spread quite 
>>>> a bit apart.  At least, this works for me, and hope it works for all of 
>>>> you as well.  As I said, my index finger and thumb are spread apart and I 
>>>> find that I can turn the rotor very easily.
>>>> 
>>>> Esther
>>>> 
>>>> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!
>>>> 
>>>>> On May 31, 2023, at 10:36 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> You are quite right, Traci.
>>>>>  
>>>>> I am not a huge fan of the rotor.  I find it rather cumbersome.I am 
>>>>> not a huge fan and yet I cannot come up with a better idea.  Sometimes, I 
>>>>> wish I had an engineering mind.  (smile).
>>>>>  
>>>>> Mark
>>>>>  
>>>>>  
>>>>>  
>>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of 
>>>>> Traci Duncan
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2023 8:24 AM
>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: Just a Quick Hello To Everyone on the List from Moderator 
>>>>> Mark
>>>>>  
>>>>> Hello, I replied to this on MacVisionaries, but what I’m talking about is 
>>>>> for iOs. :)
>>>>>  
>>>>> Two little things I’ve thought would be useful:
>>>>> 
>>>>> A VoiceOver gesture, (say a 2-finger swipe right) in the messages window 
>>>>> to send the composed message. Instead of locating the send button.
>>>>> 
>>>>> A VoiceOver gesture to spell the current word in focus. Often I’m on the 
>>>>> web and want something spelled out. It takes many little steps to turn 
>>>>> the rotor to word, flick to the one I want, then turn the rotor to 
>>>>> character, flick letter by letter. A simple shortcut would be super 
>>>>> useful.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Those are two little things off the top of my head. :)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Take care,
>>>>> Traci
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On May 31, 2023, at 8:08 AM, pegkan...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>  
>>>>> Hi Mark,
>>>>> I am Peggy from New Jersey. I have a question is it possible for you to 
>>>>> check and see if I am subscribed twice to this list?? I have received the 
>>>>> same message twice so just wondering if I have a double subscription??
>>>>>  Take care of yourself.
>>>>> Peggy Kane. 
>>>>>  
>>>>> Peggy Sent from my i phone☺️
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On May 31, 2023, at 10:58 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello Everyone,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Seems as though it's been quite a while since I posted to the list so just
>>>>> wanted to check in with you and see how everyone is doing with their Apple
>>>>> devices.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am looking forward to the WWDC 2023 keynote presentation, next week.
>>>>> 
>>>>> You know?  The only software feature that I really want added to the OS is
>>>>> the ability to permanently save and organize iMessage content in

Re: Just a Quick Hello To Everyone on the List from Moderator Mark

[Esther Levegnale]

hi, great idea! There is nothing like the old records. I don't have my 70 
eights anymore but I do have 45s and 33's. Esther

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!

> On Jun 7, 2023, at 1:35 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> 
> I find the rotor gesture is much easier if you get an old, cheap turn table 
> you know like for playing vinyl records. Then you put  your iPhone on it, 
> hold two fingers steady on the screen and turn on the turn table.
> You just have to make sure the speed setting is on 33, if it's on 45 let 
> alone on the old 78, the centrifugal force will toss your iPhone across the 
> room.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Wendy 
> Lin
> Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2023 7:29 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Just a Quick Hello To Everyone on the List from Moderator Mark
>  
> We sure do. I normally do the router gesture by using my thumb and middle 
> fingers. Been doing that for many years now.
> 
> 
> On Jun 6, 2023, at 9:43 PM, Esther Levegnale  wrote:
>  
> Wow.  That's pretty good as well. I guess we all have our own ways of doing 
> things. Take care. Esther
>  
> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!
> 
> 
> On Jun 6, 2023, at 9:27 PM, Barbara Stahl  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> That is interesting.  I do the roder gesture like this:  I hold the phone 
> vertically using my thumbs and middle and ring fingers of both hands and then 
> I swipe my two index fingers across the screen together to the right or left. 
>  It seems pretty easy to me.  
>  
> 
> 
> On Jun 6, 2023, at 6:46 PM, Esther Levegnale  wrote:
> 
> Hi, everyone,
>  
> The trick to the rotor is to have your thumb and index finger spread quite a 
> bit apart.  At least, this works for me, and hope it works for all of you as 
> well.  As I said, my index finger and thumb are spread apart and I find that 
> I can turn the rotor very easily.
>  
> Esther
> 
> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!
> 
> 
> On May 31, 2023, at 10:36 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> 
> You are quite right, Traci.
>  
> I am not a huge fan of the rotor.  I find it rather cumbersome.I am not a 
> huge fan and yet I cannot come up with a better idea.  Sometimes, I wish I 
> had an engineering mind.  (smile).
>  
> Mark
>  
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Traci 
> Duncan
> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2023 8:24 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Just a Quick Hello To Everyone on the List from Moderator Mark
>  
> Hello, I replied to this on MacVisionaries, but what I’m talking about is for 
> iOs. :)
>  
> Two little things I’ve thought would be useful:
> 
> A VoiceOver gesture, (say a 2-finger swipe right) in the messages window to 
> send the composed message. Instead of locating the send button.
> 
> A VoiceOver gesture to spell the current word in focus. Often I’m on the web 
> and want something spelled out. It takes many little steps to turn the rotor 
> to word, flick to the one I want, then turn the rotor to character, flick 
> letter by letter. A simple shortcut would be super useful.
> 
> Those are two little things off the top of my head. :)
> 
> Take care,
> Traci
> 
> 
> 
> On May 31, 2023, at 8:08 AM, pegkan...@gmail.com wrote:
>  
> Hi Mark,
> I am Peggy from New Jersey. I have a question is it possible for you to check 
> and see if I am subscribed twice to this list?? I have received the same 
> message twice so just wondering if I have a double subscription??
>  Take care of yourself.
> Peggy Kane. 
>  
> Peggy Sent from my i phone☺️
> 
> 
> 
> On May 31, 2023, at 10:58 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> Seems as though it's been quite a while since I posted to the list so just
> wanted to check in with you and see how everyone is doing with their Apple
> devices.
> 
> I am looking forward to the WWDC 2023 keynote presentation, next week.
> 
> You know?  The only software feature that I really want added to the OS is
> the ability to permanently save and organize iMessage content into folders.
> 
> 
> Are there any features, accessibility-related or not, that you would like to
> see introduced next week?
> 
> I hope everyone is doing well and I look forward to reading your replies.
> 
> Moderator Mark
> 
> 
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> 
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> moderators directly 

Re: Just a Quick Hello To Everyone on the List from Moderator Mark

[Esther Levegnale]

Wow.  That's pretty good as well. I guess we all have our own ways of doing 
things. Take care. Esther

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!

> On Jun 6, 2023, at 9:27 PM, Barbara Stahl  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> That is interesting.  I do the roder gesture like this:  I hold the phone 
> vertically using my thumbs and middle and ring fingers of both hands and then 
> I swipe my two index fingers across the screen together to the right or left. 
>  It seems pretty easy to me.  
> 
> 
>>> On Jun 6, 2023, at 6:46 PM, Esther Levegnale  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>> Hi, everyone,
>> 
>> The trick to the rotor is to have your thumb and index finger spread quite a 
>> bit apart.  At least, this works for me, and hope it works for all of you as 
>> well.  As I said, my index finger and thumb are spread apart and I find that 
>> I can turn the rotor very easily.
>> 
>> Esther
>> 
>> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!
>> 
>>>> On May 31, 2023, at 10:36 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> You are quite right, Traci.
>>>  
>>> I am not a huge fan of the rotor.  I find it rather cumbersome.I am not 
>>> a huge fan and yet I cannot come up with a better idea.  Sometimes, I wish 
>>> I had an engineering mind.  (smile).
>>>  
>>> Mark
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>>> Traci Duncan
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2023 8:24 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Just a Quick Hello To Everyone on the List from Moderator Mark
>>>  
>>> Hello, I replied to this on MacVisionaries, but what I’m talking about is 
>>> for iOs. :)
>>>  
>>> Two little things I’ve thought would be useful:
>>> 
>>> A VoiceOver gesture, (say a 2-finger swipe right) in the messages window to 
>>> send the composed message. Instead of locating the send button.
>>> 
>>> A VoiceOver gesture to spell the current word in focus. Often I’m on the 
>>> web and want something spelled out. It takes many little steps to turn the 
>>> rotor to word, flick to the one I want, then turn the rotor to character, 
>>> flick letter by letter. A simple shortcut would be super useful.
>>> 
>>> Those are two little things off the top of my head. :)
>>> 
>>> Take care,
>>> Traci
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On May 31, 2023, at 8:08 AM, pegkan...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>  
>>> Hi Mark,
>>> I am Peggy from New Jersey. I have a question is it possible for you to 
>>> check and see if I am subscribed twice to this list?? I have received the 
>>> same message twice so just wondering if I have a double subscription??
>>>  Take care of yourself.
>>> Peggy Kane. 
>>>  
>>> Peggy Sent from my i phone☺️
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On May 31, 2023, at 10:58 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Everyone,
>>> 
>>> Seems as though it's been quite a while since I posted to the list so just
>>> wanted to check in with you and see how everyone is doing with their Apple
>>> devices.
>>> 
>>> I am looking forward to the WWDC 2023 keynote presentation, next week.
>>> 
>>> You know?  The only software feature that I really want added to the OS is
>>> the ability to permanently save and organize iMessage content into folders.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Are there any features, accessibility-related or not, that you would like to
>>> see introduced next week?
>>> 
>>> I hope everyone is doing well and I look forward to reading your replies.
>>> 
>>> Moderator Mark
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> 
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>>> 
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>>> mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
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>>> 
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Re: Just a Quick Hello To Everyone on the List from Moderator Mark

[Esther Levegnale]

Hi, everyone,

The trick to the rotor is to have your thumb and index finger spread quite a 
bit apart.  At least, this works for me, and hope it works for all of you as 
well.  As I said, my index finger and thumb are spread apart and I find that I 
can turn the rotor very easily.

Esther

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!

> On May 31, 2023, at 10:36 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> 
> You are quite right, Traci.
>  
> I am not a huge fan of the rotor.  I find it rather cumbersome.I am not a 
> huge fan and yet I cannot come up with a better idea.  Sometimes, I wish I 
> had an engineering mind.  (smile).
>  
> Mark
>  
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Traci 
> Duncan
> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2023 8:24 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Just a Quick Hello To Everyone on the List from Moderator Mark
>  
> Hello, I replied to this on MacVisionaries, but what I’m talking about is for 
> iOs. :)
>  
> Two little things I’ve thought would be useful:
> 
> A VoiceOver gesture, (say a 2-finger swipe right) in the messages window to 
> send the composed message. Instead of locating the send button.
> 
> A VoiceOver gesture to spell the current word in focus. Often I’m on the web 
> and want something spelled out. It takes many little steps to turn the rotor 
> to word, flick to the one I want, then turn the rotor to character, flick 
> letter by letter. A simple shortcut would be super useful.
> 
> Those are two little things off the top of my head. :)
> 
> Take care,
> Traci
> 
> 
> On May 31, 2023, at 8:08 AM, pegkan...@gmail.com wrote:
>  
> Hi Mark,
> I am Peggy from New Jersey. I have a question is it possible for you to check 
> and see if I am subscribed twice to this list?? I have received the same 
> message twice so just wondering if I have a double subscription??
>  Take care of yourself.
> Peggy Kane. 
>  
> Peggy Sent from my i phone☺️
> 
> 
> On May 31, 2023, at 10:58 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> Seems as though it's been quite a while since I posted to the list so just
> wanted to check in with you and see how everyone is doing with their Apple
> devices.
> 
> I am looking forward to the WWDC 2023 keynote presentation, next week.
> 
> You know?  The only software feature that I really want added to the OS is
> the ability to permanently save and organize iMessage content into folders.
> 
> 
> Are there any features, accessibility-related or not, that you would like to
> see introduced next week?
> 
> I hope everyone is doing well and I look forward to reading your replies.
> 
> Moderator Mark
> 
> 
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Re: Just a Quick Hello To Everyone on the List from Moderator Mark

[Esther Levegnale]

you are certainly welcome. Sorry for the lateness of this email 

Esther

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!

> On May 31, 2023, at 10:37 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Thank you so much, Esther; you are very kind.
> 
> Mark
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Esther 
> Levegnale
> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2023 8:25 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Just a Quick Hello To Everyone on the List from Moderator Mark
> 
> hi, Mark, I think you are doing a fantastic job with the iPhone list. I 
> really enjoyed reading everyone's posts. It was wonderful hearing from you. 
> Thank you so much. Esther
> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!
> 
> 
> On May 31, 2023, at 10:58 AM, M. Taylor <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> Seems as though it's been quite a while since I posted to the list so just
> wanted to check in with you and see how everyone is doing with their Apple
> devices.
> 
> I am looking forward to the WWDC 2023 keynote presentation, next week.
> 
> You know?  The only software feature that I really want added to the OS is
> the ability to permanently save and organize iMessage content into folders.
> 
> 
> Are there any features, accessibility-related or not, that you would like to
> see introduced next week?
> 
> I hope everyone is doing well and I look forward to reading your replies.
> 
> Moderator Mark
> 
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[Esther Levegnale]

hi, Jen, thank you so much for your information. I appreciate it. Take care. 
Esther

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> On Jun 2, 2023, at 8:44 AM, Mo Khan  wrote:
> 
> 
> hi I came across the below list may be useful to you.
> There is a list for the Victor Reader Stream.  To subscribe to that list, 
> send a blank email with subscribe in the subject to:
> victor+subscr...@groups.io
> thank you.
> Mo.
> 
>> On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 1:04 PM Jennie Facer  wrote:
>> HI,
>> 
>> ALTHOUGH YOU HAVE YOUR ANSWER, HUMANWARE, I WANTED TO TELL YOU THAT THE 
>> THIRD VERSION OF THE STREAM SEEMS PRETTY WELL. I HAVEN’T HAD A TREK, SO 
>> CAN’T ATTEST TO THAT. I HAVE USED BLUETOOTH ON THE THIRD STREAM, AND IT 
>> WORKS WELL MOST OF THE TIME. WITH THE NEW UPDATE, IT HASN’T CRASHED YET.
>> 
>> JENN
>> Jenn and Kumi
>> 
>>> On May 29, 2023, at 6:36 PM, Esther Levegnale  
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>>> Hi, everyone,
>>> 
>>> What is the name of the company that puts out the Victor Reader Stream?  I 
>>> believe I knew this at one time,but now it escapes me.
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
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Re: Just a Quick Hello To Everyone on the List from Moderator Mark

[Esther Levegnale]

hi, Mark, I think you are doing a fantastic job with the iPhone list. I really 
enjoyed reading everyone's posts. It was wonderful hearing from you. Thank you 
so much. Esther

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> On May 31, 2023, at 10:58 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
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> Hello Everyone,
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> Seems as though it's been quite a while since I posted to the list so just
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> devices.
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> 
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Re: Victor Reader Stream

[Esther Levegnale]

oh my goodness, that's not good. I appreciate everyone's opinions and honesty. 
Take care. Esther

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> On May 29, 2023, at 10:47 PM, tony k5twz.com  wrote:
> 
> 
> I have really used and enjoyed two each of the first and second versions of 
> the Victor Reader Stream, the last of which is still working well after 
> several years.  When I changed hearing aids I had to get an newer version 
> that supports Bluetooth .  I am now on my fourth Victor Reader Trek in just 
> over a year.  I don’t know about other’s experience but all of mine have been 
> disasters.  Humanware has implied that I am the only one with problems but 
> they have been replacing them under warranty.  In addition to forgetting 
> settings and occasionally garbling the audio they frequently crash, sometime 
> multiple times a day.  I get six to seven hours on a charge, much less than 
> they advertise.
>  
> Tony
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Esther 
> Levegnale
> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2023 8:02 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream
>  
> thanks a lot. I really appreciate that. I'm going to look into getting one. 
> Take care. Esther
> 
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> 
> 
> On May 29, 2023, at 8:37 PM, sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> 
> Humanware.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Esther 
> Levegnale
> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2023 7:36 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Victor Reader Stream
>  
> Hi, everyone,
>  
> What is the name of the company that puts out the Victor Reader Stream?  I 
> believe I knew this at one time,but now it escapes me.
>  
> Thanks.
>  
> Esther
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Re: Victor Reader Stream

[Esther Levegnale]

thanks a lot. I really appreciate that. I'm going to look into getting one. 
Take care. Esther

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> On May 29, 2023, at 8:37 PM, sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com wrote:
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> 
> Humanware.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Esther 
> Levegnale
> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2023 7:36 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Victor Reader Stream
>  
> Hi, everyone,
>  
> What is the name of the company that puts out the Victor Reader Stream?  I 
> believe I knew this at one time,but now it escapes me.
>  
> Thanks.
>  
> Esther
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Victor Reader Stream

[Esther Levegnale]

Hi, everyone,

What is the name of the company that puts out the Victor Reader Stream?  I 
believe I knew this at one time,but now it escapes me.

Thanks.

Esther

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Re: how do I turn my flashlight off? hi, everyone, the subject says it all. I don't know how I even turned my flashlight on to begin with. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you so much. Est

[Esther Levegnale]

hey, Diane, that did the trick! I guess I tried everything else but telling 
Siri to turn it off. Thanks a bunch. Esther

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> On May 24, 2023, at 11:34 PM, Diane Giannetti  wrote:
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> Esther, just tell Siri to turn flashlight offSent from Diane's awesome 
> iPhone!
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how do I turn my flashlight off? hi, everyone, the subject says it all. I don't know how I even turned my flashlight on to begin with. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you so much. Esther

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Re: New Apple Health-compatible Withings scale offers weight & body composition analysis

[Esther Levegnale]

stop when you most enjoy it! That is fabulous! I love that motto! Esther

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> On Apr 28, 2023, at 3:10 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
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> I have a great diet solution for that, works for me every time, it is called 
> "E H E D", stand for "eat half excersize double"
> On a more serious note, it is interesting that most of us here in North 
> America do really  eat way too much and while half might not be exactly 
> right, most people could easily eat 30 to 40% less and it would still be 
> enough.
> Of course there is also the issue of what you eat, but that would be a 
> discussion more suitable on a group for that which I am sure probably exists.
> When my wife and I eat out we often just order an appetizer and one main 
> course and find that in  most restaurants that is plenty for us to share and 
> be full.
> And one last saying which comes from my home country, Germany, it goes 
> something like "don't stop eating when you are full, stop when you most enjoy 
> it".
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> -Original Message-
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> composition analysis
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> I purchased an arboleaf body composition scale from amazon about a year and a 
> half ago.  The app has a few issues, but with a little help from arboleaf 
> customer support I got my account setup and now everything seems to work well.
> The scale was about $99.00 if I remember right.
> It syncs to apple health and provides weight bmi and a lot of other 
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> 
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> their statistics tracked separately.
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> The only thing I don't like is that it is telling my weight is going up :-)
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Re: Voice Dream Reader for IOS, yearly suscription?

[Esther Levegnale]

Hi, everyone,

I absolutely loved Soundscape.  I believe it was put out by Microsoft, right?

Esther

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> On Apr 25, 2023, at 3:40 PM, Jody ianuzzi  wrote:
> 
> Oh this is terrible! Voice dream reader and soundscape are probably my two 
> favorite apps Soundscape is going away and now voice dream reader is going to 
> be a subscription! I have used it for years well I have to start paying for 
> it? Also, how much will it be?
> 
> JODY
> 
> To Boldly Go  🖖🏻 
> 
> 
> thunderwalker...@gmail.com 
> 
> "What's within you is stronger than what's in your way."  NO BARRIERS  Erik 
> Weihenmayer
> 
>>> On Apr 25, 2023, at 2:14 PM, Richard Turner  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> Hi Leo, et al.
>> I just heard about this and here is the answer I sent to the BlindApples 
>> list.
>>  
>>  
>> I have a pretty good relationship with Winston Chen, the developer of the 
>> Voice Dream apps, so I wrote him directly and inquired.
>>  
>> He has given me permission to share the below information.
>> Note that no one yet knows the timing of the iOS/iPadOS subscription model.
>> Also, he is quite confident that the group he mentions below who acquired 
>> Voice Dream Reader will take good care of the app or he wouldn't have sold 
>> it to them.
>> On yet another note before I share what Winston said, I agree with him that 
>> the one-time charge model of app development is not sustainable if you need 
>> an app to grow and change with current technology.  If only one programmer 
>> knows the code, and something happens to that developer, the app will die.  
>> This way, you end up with a team maintaining the app.
>>  
>> Here is what Winston said:
>> " Voice Dream Reader (both iOS and macOS versions), and the brand “Voice 
>> Dream”, were acquired by Applause Group.
>>  
>> The pricing decision was made by Applause - I was not aware of the amount 
>> and timing. But I totally support transitioning Voice Dream Reader to a 
>> subscription model. The one-time-price model is not sustainable. I planned 
>> to do it myself before the acquisition.
>>  
>> On a separate note, Scanner and Writer were not acquired, and they will 
>> remain my apps. they will be renamed to VDScan and VDWrite, and under a new 
>> company named Opus Noma.
>>  
>> There should’ve been communication about the acquisition but due to a legal 
>> issue, I have not been able to announce it.
>>  
>> More from me about this soon..."
>>  
>> An official statement will be coming soon.  What soon means, I have no idea. 
>>  Be patient.
>> And, at this time, VDScan and VDWrite will remain one-time purchases.
>>  
>> HTH,
>>  
>> Richard, USA.
>> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.” 
>>  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
>>  
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Re: what are good calendar apps

[Esther Levegnale]

I  use the native calendar on my phone as well. Esther

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> On Apr 20, 2023, at 11:37 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> I just use the native calendar on my iPhone. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard, USA.
> “What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
> consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
> 
> 
>>> On Apr 20, 2023, at 8:13 PM, Dennis Long  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> What are good calendar apps that are good and accessible and easy to use?
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Re: Time being announced

[Esther Levegnale]

hi, sometimes when you touch the status bar it'll announce the time every 
minute. That's what happens to me a lot. Anyway I hope you get it straightened 
out soon. Esther

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> On Apr 16, 2023, at 5:37 PM, marilyn  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello all,
> A few days ago I noticed something strange. My iPhone started announcing the 
> time every minute, whether I was checking messages, on a call, or anything 
> else. Whatever I was doing would be interrupted every minute by the 
> announcement. It never used to be like this. Has any one else had this 
> situation? Why did this happen, and how can I stop the announcements?
> Thanks for any help with this.
> Marilyn
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Re: Apple Quietly Launches a Selection of Audiobooks Voiced by an AI Robot, Mac Daily News

[Esther Levegnale]

hi, everyone, I know I did say I didn't like artificial speech, but perhaps I 
will try it now. Probably over the years it has gotten much better. Take care. 
Esther

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> On Mar 20, 2023, at 6:20 PM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
> 
> I have never understood why some blind people don't like TTS books and
> refuse to read them.  I also use bookshare.  They have books that I
> couldn't get anywhere else.  I can either listen to different TTS
> voices read them to me in voice dream reader, or I have a BI40X and
> can read the books in braille.  It is my choice, and a great one to
> have.  TTS voices are getting better and better and the more books we
> have access to, the better.
> 
>> On 3/20/23, Kerry Macdonald  wrote:
>> It is just another way to read books. It means that more books will be
>> available for more people. I have read books with text to speech for years
>> and the voices they have now, particularly with apps, such as voice dream,
>> are so good after a while you don’t even notice it. At least I don’t. I
>> remember when I was in college my father bought me the Kurzweil reading
>> machine, and it was a TTS voice, however, I was just so happy to be able to
>> go out and buy any print book that I came to really like The Voice. It is
>> what it is. It just means that we will have more freedom of choice and if
>> people don’t like these books, they don’t have to use them.
>> 
>> 
>> Kerry
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 17, 2023, at 10:10 AM, Jody ianuzzi 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I disagree, I don’t think it’s disgusting that they are introducing new
>>> technology for reading books. Having a human narrator is extremely time
>>> consuming! I listen to books from Bookshare which are not available in any
>>> other source and I use the speech on my phone to listen to them. When I
>>> really get into a book I move past the sound of the voice and just absorb
>>> the Contant.
>>> 
>>> If these books become available in this format then I’m all for it
>>> 
>>> JODY
>>> 
>>> To Boldly Go  🖖🏻
>>> 
>>> 
>>> thunderwalker...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> "What's within you is stronger than what's in your way."  NO BARRIERS
>>>  Erik Weihenmayer
>>> 
 On Mar 17, 2023, at 9:50 AM, Barbara Stahl 
 wrote:
 
 
 The article in this email tells you how to find these type of audiobooks
 using the Books app just scroll down the email to find it
 
 
 Begin forwarded message:
 
> From: Barbara Stahl 
> Date: January 14, 2023 at 10:57:50 AM EST
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple Quietly Launches a Selection of Audiobooks Voiced by
> an AI Robot, Mac Daily News
> 
> I listened to the preview link in the article and the narration is
> surprisingly good.  But I completely agree, nothing could ever be better
> than human narration for me.  And its totally wrong for companies to try
> to replace people with robots just for profet.  Its disgusting.
> 
>> On Jan 14, 2023, at 1:08 AM, Dennis Long  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I completely agree.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Dennis Long
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone SE 3
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 14, 2023, at 1:06 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> While I certainly want any AI rendered audiobooks to be of the
>>> highest quality, this feels like the next phase of cost reduction by
>>> eliminating human voice actors. I can't ever imagine an AI narrated
>>> book to be of the same quality as a human narrated one and hope we'll
>>> continue to have a good supply of human narrated audio for many years
>>> to come.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Alan Lemly
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> 
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>>> M. Taylor
>>> 
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2023 8:30 PM
>>> 
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> 
>>> Subject: Apple Quietly Launches a Selection of Audiobooks Voiced by an
>>> AI Robot, Mac Daily News
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hello Everyone,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I was Fascinated by this article so quickly went to Apple Books and
>>> explored the selection.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I must say, I am amazed at the quality of the AI Rendering of the
>>> text.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> While there are several free AI voiced audio books from which to
>>> choose, I purchased a title called "WildWood" by Elinor Florence.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I will be posting a second article on this in a little while.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Enjoy,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Apple quietly launches a selection of audiobooks voiced by an AI robot
>>> MacDailyNews - Friday, January 6, 2023 at 2:36 PM Apple quietly
>>> launches a selection of audiobooks voiced by an AI robot Apple has
>>> quietly launched a catalog of books narrated

Re: Apple Quietly Launches a Selection of Audiobooks Voiced by an AI Robot, Mac Daily News

[Esther Levegnale]

I prefer a human voice over synthetic ones as well. Esther

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> On Mar 21, 2023, at 1:22 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> As for ,me I never understand why one would want to listen to a novel using 
> a synthetic voice instead of enjoying the narration of a human reader. There 
> is also a big difference between pretty much all the readers who do this 
> professionally and some public domain books where I have heard readers who 
> actually pause to figure out some words or mispronounce words altogether. 
> Yes, even with professional readers you get some where you just may not like 
> the voice or how they use their voice to portrait different characters in the 
> book, but for the most part when I listen to Audible books which often are 
> professionally narrated by whatever publisher is releasing the book, I find 
> it quite rare that a reader is not good. But that is why we are different, 
> that is why some like to use Alex or Ava as their TTS on the iPhone which I 
> personally can't stand and why others, me included, still use Eloquence on 
> the computer. For me my computer is my tool, it's what I use to do my job and 
> run my business so I need it to be efficient and nothing is more efficient 
> than Eloquence or synthetic voices like it. The more human sounding a voice 
> is the worse it sounds when you speed it up. I must say, however, that a 
> couple of these AI narrated books where I listened to samples are very close 
> to a human reader and I could probably imagine myself listening to a book 
> that way. But I definitely will not listen to a book using any of the high 
> quality Jaws voices let alone Eloquence.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
> Hendrickson
> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2023 3:21 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple Quietly Launches a Selection of Audiobooks Voiced by an AI 
> Robot, Mac Daily News
> 
> I have never understood why some blind people don't like TTS books and refuse 
> to read them.  I also use bookshare.  They have books that I couldn't get 
> anywhere else.  I can either listen to different TTS voices read them to me 
> in voice dream reader, or I have a BI40X and can read the books in braille.  
> It is my choice, and a great one to have.  TTS voices are getting better and 
> better and the more books we have access to, the better.
> 
>> On 3/20/23, Kerry Macdonald  wrote:
>> It is just another way to read books. It means that more books will be 
>> available for more people. I have read books with text to speech for 
>> years and the voices they have now, particularly with apps, such as 
>> voice dream, are so good after a while you don’t even notice it. At 
>> least I don’t. I remember when I was in college my father bought me 
>> the Kurzweil reading machine, and it was a TTS voice, however, I was 
>> just so happy to be able to go out and buy any print book that I came 
>> to really like The Voice. It is what it is. It just means that we will 
>> have more freedom of choice and if people don’t like these books, they don’t 
>> have to use them.
>> 
>> 
>> Kerry
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 17, 2023, at 10:10 AM, Jody ianuzzi 
>>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I disagree, I don’t think it’s disgusting that they are introducing 
>>> new technology for reading books. Having a human narrator is 
>>> extremely time consuming! I listen to books from Bookshare which are 
>>> not available in any other source and I use the speech on my phone to 
>>> listen to them. When I really get into a book I move past the sound 
>>> of the voice and just absorb the Contant.
>>> 
>>> If these books become available in this format then I’m all for it
>>> 
>>> JODY
>>> 
>>> To Boldly Go  🖖🏻
>>> 
>>> 
>>> thunderwalker...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> "What's within you is stronger than what's in your way."  NO BARRIERS
>>>  Erik Weihenmayer
>>> 
 On Mar 17, 2023, at 9:50 AM, Barbara Stahl 
 
 wrote:
 
 
 The article in this email tells you how to find these type of 
 audiobooks using the Books app just scroll down the email to find it
 
 
 Begin forwarded message:
 
> From: Barbara Stahl 
> Date: January 14, 2023 at 10:57:50 AM EST
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple Quietly Launches a Selection of Audiobooks 
> Voiced by an AI Robot, Mac Daily News
> 
> I listened to the preview link in the article and the narration is 
> surprisingly good.  But I completely agree, nothing could ever be 
> better than human narration for me.  And its totally wrong for 
> companies to try to replace people with robots just for profet.  Its 
> disgusting.
> 
>> On Jan 14, 2023, at 1:08 AM, Dennis Long  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I completely agree.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Dennis Long
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone SE 3
>> 
>> 
>>

Re: Old Apple Bluetooth keyboard

[Esther Levegnale]

I remember the old Apple keyboards. I like the newer ones much better. Esther

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> On Mar 21, 2023, at 7:32 PM, chrisjudge1...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> 
> If it’s the one I’m thinking of there is a round button on the right hand 
> side. Pushing it in for a couple of seconds will turn it on. I have a couple 
> of those but the one thing I’ve never liked is that it’s difficult to know 
> when it is on. I now use the newer magic keyboards that are rechargeable and 
> have a physical on/off switch.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Wayne 
> Merritt
> Sent: March 21, 2023 7:44 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Old Apple Bluetooth keyboard
>  
> Hi. I found an old Bluetooth keyboard, which must be from around 2010. Does 
> anyone recall which button turns it on? This was the Bluetooth keyboard which 
> took I think 2 AA batteries, so we're going back a ways. Also, does anyone 
> know how I might know if it is on? I am totally blind. 
>  
> Thanks, 
> 
> Wayne Merritt
> JAWS Certified, 2023
> http://freedomscientific.com/certification
> Check out my GoodReads page:
> http://goodreads.com/waynesbooks
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Re: Voice Dream Scanner Impressed Me

[Esther Levegnale]

hi, I also have  voice dream scanner and absolutely love it! Glad you like it 
too. Esther

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> On Mar 13, 2023, at 9:04 AM, Robert Doc Wright  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I discovered that too. I used it the other day to read my wife's new State ID.
> - Original Message -
> From: Fazil M.
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2023 11:06 PM
> Subject: Voice Dream Scanner Impressed Me
> 
> Wow! Voice Dream Scanner is damn impressive!
> For the first time in my life, a software read my new credit card information 
> to me with 100 percent accuracy and using that information, I activated the 
> card independently!
> Isn’t it great?
> Thanks!
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Re: Update Account Settings

[Esther Levegnale]

I don't mind using a pass code either. Esther

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> On Feb 16, 2023, at 10:51 PM, Donna Casteen  wrote:
> 
> Apple wants you to use face ID to unlock your iPhone. That is what the 
> security alert was all about. I went in started the facial ID process, then 
> cancelled. I haven't had the security alert in settings now for over a month. 
> I prefer just having a passcode.
> 
> Donna
> 
>> 
>> Me too I've had this happen. Does anyone know what's this about? It's no 
>> big deal for me either, but I'm curious.
>> 
>> Gera
>> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel
>> 
>>> El 16 feb 2023, a la(s) 6:32 p.m., Andy Baracco  
>>> escribió:
>>> 
>>> For the last few weeks, I have noticed that every few days an item appears 
>>> in Settings asking me to update my account settings. it says that some 
>>> account features may not be available unless I do this.
>>> This simply involves reentering my account password. No big deal, but I'm 
>>> wondering is this a new security feature or what?
>>> 
>>> Andy
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Re: SuperSense update more promised but what and when?

[Esther Levegnale]

I also like VoiceDream Scanner as well.

Esther

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> On Feb 1, 2023, at 10:30 PM, Ryan Mann  wrote:
> 
> I have a lot better luck with reading text with voice dream scanner, which 
> is a shame because that is a lot cheaper app.
> 
> Ryan Mann
> Certified Assistive Technology Instructional Specialist
> rmann0...@gmail.com
> 386-383-5175
> 
> 
>> On Jan 31, 2023, at 4:59 AM, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello friends,
>> This morning I found that Supersense had updated itself.  Here’s what it 
>> said:
>> 
>> Hello friends, We'd been receiving many requests from our users and are 
>> responding to them with the feature updates that have been in highest 
>> demand. We're thrilled to announce the most recent updates to Supersense 
>> below: 1) Backend improvements to fix crashes and for a better user 
>> experience 2) Dynamic font size: Supersense is improved to be more 
>> accessible now. All text in the app are now font adjustable for our low 
>> vision users!  3) Minor bug fixes  More exciting news and features are on 
>> the way! As always, we appreciate any feedback to provide our users with the 
>> best solutions. Please let us know what you think about Supersense by 
>> sending your thoughts to superse...@mediate.tech. Happy 2023! The Supersense 
>> Team
>> 
>> For as long as I can remember we’ve been promised new and exciting updates 
>> but they have yet to materialise as far as I can see!
>> 
>> I live in hope of some exciting developments but I’m not holding my breath!
>> 
>> 
>> Malcolm Parfitt
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Re: A very short bit of humor

[Esther Levegnale]

wow! I never heard VoiceOver side before! That was certainly a riot! Esther

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> On Jan 19, 2023, at 2:10 PM, tai.toma...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> 
> Sure thing. Text is below. The humorous part about it is that this particular 
> Voiceover voice actually sighs instead of voicing the word “sigh” or perhaps 
> an Emoji.
> Text:
> Hi everyone. As of now, I cannot locate where to make a change on my Echo. I 
> have researched on the Internet and the steps provided are not matching up. 
> [Siri sighs] I have red some on the Amazon Sidewalk and have a few concerns.  
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Devin 
> Prater
> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2023 2:07 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: A very short bit of humor
>  
> Can we have the text of that please?
> Devin Prater
> r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com
>  
>  
>  
>  
> On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 10:56 AM Richard Turner  
> wrote:
>  
> If you haven’t run into it, here is a very short audio file of VoiceOver 
> reading part of an email preview using Siri voice 4.
> I cut out any identifying information from the email.
>  
> http://www.turner42.com/SiriSighing.mp3
>  
> Enjoy,
> Richard, USA.
> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
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Re: When It Comes to iPhone, Are You All Thumbs?

[Esther Levegnale]

I also do use Siri for dictation. I think he is great as well. Esther

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> On Jan 18, 2023, at 9:42 AM, Barbara Stahl  
> wrote:
> 
> I have tried using my thumbs to type a couple of times just because I have 
> heard that lots of people type that way. However, I found it to be extremely 
> awkward.  Whenever possible, I use my M braille app to enter text. Its great 
> and so much faster than typing on the keyboard. In fact, I used this app to 
> type out this message.  I only use the keyboard when its absolutely 
> necessary. When I do use it, I use my index fingers.  Otherwise, I use the 
> dictation feature and seri for very short messages.  
> 
>> On Jan 18, 2023, at 9:00 AM, Christopher Chaltain  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I do use my thumbs. My sighted children showed me how to do it. I place the 
>> phone so that each bottom corner is in the palm of one of my hands. My 
>> fingers reach around behind the phone to cradle it. I then use my thumbs to 
>> type, with my left thumb reaching the keys on the left and so on.
>> 
>> For longer bouts of typing, I'll use braille screen input, my Orbit Writer 
>> or a Logitech keyboard.
>> 
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>> Chaltain at Outlook, USA
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Gerardo Corripio
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2023 7:29 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: When It Comes to iPhone, Are You All Thumbs?
>> 
>> Holding the phone in my left hand, I use the 3 fingers (Index, Middle, and 
>> Ring), and depending on what letter I'm typing, the finger: for the A, Q, W, 
>> S, i, I use the Index; for the E, D, F, R, etc., the middle but sometimes 
>> the Index. And for the rest of the letters, I use either the Index or middle 
>> finger. To switch between letters and numbwiths, I use the Index finger. And 
>> for the Enter, I use the Ring finger.
>> 
>> Gera
>> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel
>> 
>>> El 18 ene 2023, a la(s) 12:55 a.m., M. Taylor  escribió:
>>> 
>>> Hello All,
>>> 
>>> A friend of mine and I got into a discussion about how we type in iOS, 
>>> when sending text messages.
>>> 
>>> It started when she asked me if I use my thumbs to type.  Even though 
>>> I know that a great many people use their thumbs to enter text on 
>>> iPhone, personally I find the technique slow and awkward.
>>> 
>>> How do I enter text in iOS?
>>> 
>>> First, I keep my VoiceOver typing mode set to "Touch Typing."
>>> 
>>> Second, I use a folio case.  Not only does such a case cover the 
>>> display when not in use, it also provides a nifty way to balance the 
>>> phone in one hand, fingers-free.
>>> 
>>> When entering text, I open the case, kind of like a book, with the 
>>> wallet side to the left and the phone to the right.  I position the 
>>> phone case in the crook of my left hand (where the base of my thumb 
>>> meets my hand) so that the back of the phone, in the case of course, 
>>> is resting against the palm of my left hand, leaving all five digits on my 
>>> left hand, free.
>>> 
>>> The wallet side of the case acts as a kind of counter balance so that 
>>> the phone does not slip out of my hand, even when the phone is tilted, 
>>> off-axis, so to speak.
>>> 
>>> I use my left thumb to access the letters and numbers, located on the 
>>> left side of the onscreen keyboard and the index finger of my right 
>>> hand, to access the letters and numbers located on the right side of 
>>> the onscreen keyboard.
>>> 
>>> I hold the phone in the exact same way when using Slide-to-Type; 
>>> except in that instance, I use my right index finger, only.
>>> 
>>> Okay, that's my method for entering text on iPhone.  
>>> 
>>> How about you?  What technique do you use to enter text in iOS?
>>> 
>>> When it come to iPhone, are you all thumbs? (smile).
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
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Re: When It Comes to iPhone, Are You All Thumbs?

[Esther Levegnale]

wow, that's pretty neat. I use what is called a split tap. I put one finger on 
the letter, then with the next finger I use it to type the letter in. I really 
like that method. Sometimes I even dictate, but I try to use the split tap 
method just to keep in practice. Esther

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> On Jan 18, 2023, at 9:01 AM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> I do use my thumbs. My sighted children showed me how to do it. I place the 
> phone so that each bottom corner is in the palm of one of my hands. My 
> fingers reach around behind the phone to cradle it. I then use my thumbs to 
> type, with my left thumb reaching the keys on the left and so on.
> 
> For longer bouts of typing, I'll use braille screen input, my Orbit Writer or 
> a Logitech keyboard.
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
> Chaltain at Outlook, USA
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Gerardo Corripio
> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2023 7:29 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: When It Comes to iPhone, Are You All Thumbs?
> 
> Holding the phone in my left hand, I use the 3 fingers (Index, Middle, and 
> Ring), and depending on what letter I'm typing, the finger: for the A, Q, W, 
> S, i, I use the Index; for the E, D, F, R, etc., the middle but sometimes the 
> Index. And for the rest of the letters, I use either the Index or middle 
> finger. To switch between letters and numbwiths, I use the Index finger. And 
> for the Enter, I use the Ring finger.
> 
> Gera
> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel
> 
>> El 18 ene 2023, a la(s) 12:55 a.m., M. Taylor  escribió:
>> 
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> A friend of mine and I got into a discussion about how we type in iOS, 
>> when sending text messages.
>> 
>> It started when she asked me if I use my thumbs to type.  Even though 
>> I know that a great many people use their thumbs to enter text on 
>> iPhone, personally I find the technique slow and awkward.
>> 
>> How do I enter text in iOS?
>> 
>> First, I keep my VoiceOver typing mode set to "Touch Typing."
>> 
>> Second, I use a folio case.  Not only does such a case cover the 
>> display when not in use, it also provides a nifty way to balance the 
>> phone in one hand, fingers-free.
>> 
>> When entering text, I open the case, kind of like a book, with the 
>> wallet side to the left and the phone to the right.  I position the 
>> phone case in the crook of my left hand (where the base of my thumb 
>> meets my hand) so that the back of the phone, in the case of course, 
>> is resting against the palm of my left hand, leaving all five digits on my 
>> left hand, free.
>> 
>> The wallet side of the case acts as a kind of counter balance so that 
>> the phone does not slip out of my hand, even when the phone is tilted, 
>> off-axis, so to speak.
>> 
>> I use my left thumb to access the letters and numbers, located on the 
>> left side of the onscreen keyboard and the index finger of my right 
>> hand, to access the letters and numbers located on the right side of 
>> the onscreen keyboard.
>> 
>> I hold the phone in the exact same way when using Slide-to-Type; 
>> except in that instance, I use my right index finger, only.
>> 
>> Okay, that's my method for entering text on iPhone.  
>> 
>> How about you?  What technique do you use to enter text in iOS?
>> 
>> When it come to iPhone, are you all thumbs? (smile).
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
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Re: When It Comes to iPhone, Are You All Thumbs?

[Esther Levegnale]

I also use my pointer or index finger to type as well. Hope all of you have a 
super day! Esther

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> On Jan 18, 2023, at 5:29 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
> Wow, I couldn’t imagine using my thumbs to type. They’re way too big for 
> those small letters. I use my pointer finger usually, but also use other 
> fingers if they’re closing to, say, the delete, L, O, or return keys.
> Devin Prater
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>> On Jan 18, 2023, at 12:54 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
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>> Hello All,
>> 
>> A friend of mine and I got into a discussion about how we type in iOS, when
>> sending text messages.
>> 
>> It started when she asked me if I use my thumbs to type.  Even though I know
>> that a great many people use their thumbs to enter text on iPhone,
>> personally I find the technique slow and awkward.
>> 
>> How do I enter text in iOS?
>> 
>> First, I keep my VoiceOver typing mode set to "Touch Typing."
>> 
>> Second, I use a folio case.  Not only does such a case cover the display
>> when not in use, it also provides a nifty way to balance the phone in one
>> hand, fingers-free.
>> 
>> When entering text, I open the case, kind of like a book, with the wallet
>> side to the left and the phone to the right.  I position the phone case in
>> the crook of my left hand (where the base of my thumb meets my hand) so that
>> the back of the phone, in the case of course, is resting against the palm of
>> my left hand, leaving all five digits on my left hand, free.  
>> 
>> The wallet side of the case acts as a kind of counter balance so that the
>> phone does not slip out of my hand, even when the phone is tilted, off-axis,
>> so to speak.
>> 
>> I use my left thumb to access the letters and numbers, located on the left
>> side of the onscreen keyboard and the index finger of my right hand, to
>> access the letters and numbers located on the right side of the onscreen
>> keyboard.
>> 
>> I hold the phone in the exact same way when using Slide-to-Type; except in
>> that instance, I use my right index finger, only.
>> 
>> Okay, that's my method for entering text on iPhone.  
>> 
>> How about you?  What technique do you use to enter text in iOS?
>> 
>> When it come to iPhone, are you all thumbs? (smile).
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
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Re: Apple Quietly Launches a Selection of Audiobooks Voiced by an AI Robot, Mac Daily News

[Esther Levegnale]

I totally agree with you. There is nothing like a human voice reading a book. 
Esther

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> On Jan 14, 2023, at 10:57 AM, Barbara Stahl  
> wrote:
> 
> I listened to the preview link in the article and the narration is 
> surprisingly good.  But I completely agree, nothing could ever be better than 
> human narration for me.  And its totally wrong for companies to try to 
> replace people with robots just for profet.  Its disgusting.  
> 
>> On Jan 14, 2023, at 1:08 AM, Dennis Long  wrote:
>> 
>> I completely agree.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Dennis Long
>> Sent from my iPhone SE 3
>> 
 On Jan 14, 2023, at 1:06 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
>>> 
>>> While I certainly want any AI rendered audiobooks to be of the highest 
>>> quality, this feels like the next phase of cost reduction by eliminating 
>>> human voice actors. I can't ever imagine an AI narrated book to be of the 
>>> same quality as a human narrated one and hope we'll continue to have a good 
>>> supply of human narrated audio for many years to come.
>>> 
>>> Alan Lemly
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. 
>>> Taylor
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2023 8:30 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Apple Quietly Launches a Selection of Audiobooks Voiced by an AI 
>>> Robot, Mac Daily News
>>> 
>>> Hello Everyone,
>>> 
>>> I was Fascinated by this article so quickly went to Apple Books and 
>>> explored the selection.
>>> 
>>> I must say, I am amazed at the quality of the AI Rendering of the text.
>>> 
>>> While there are several free AI voiced audio books from which to choose, I 
>>> purchased a title called "WildWood" by Elinor Florence.
>>> 
>>> I will be posting a second article on this in a little while.
>>> 
>>> Enjoy,
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> Apple quietly launches a selection of audiobooks voiced by an AI robot 
>>> MacDailyNews - Friday, January 6, 2023 at 2:36 PM Apple quietly launches a 
>>> selection of audiobooks voiced by an AI robot Apple has quietly launched a 
>>> catalog of books narrated by an AI robot using artificial intelligence and 
>>> voice synthesis technologies it developed.
>>> By Leyland Cecco, for The Guardian:
>>> 
>>> The popularity of the audiobook market has exploded in recent years, with 
>>> technology companies scrambling to gain a foothold. Sales last year jumped 
>>> 25%, bringing in more than $1.5bn. Industry insiders believe the global 
>>> market could be worth more than $35bn by 2030.
>>> On the company's Books app, searching for "AI narration" reveals the 
>>> catalogue of works included in the scheme, which are described as being 
>>> "narrated by digital voice based on a human narrator".
>>> 
>>> Apple's development of AI to narrate books could represent a significant 
>>> shift in how major technology companies see the future of audiobooks.
>>> Publishers, authors and literary agents who spoke to the Guardian said the 
>>> strategy, if successful, could have significant implications for the market.
>>> 
>>> MacDailyNews Take: At first listen, it doesn't sound awful. A preview can 
>>> be heard via Apple Books here.
>>> 
>>> Original Article at:
>>> https://macdailynews.com/2023/01/06/apple-quietly-launches-a-selection-of-au
>>> diobooks-voiced-by-an-ai-robot/
>>> 
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Re: re microsoft soundscape

[Esther Levegnale]

hi, everyone, I will have to try nearby explorer. It sounds interesting. 
Everyone have a good day. Esther

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> On Dec 29, 2022, at 2:50 PM, Thomas Frank  wrote:
> 
> Hopefully, other developers will pick up most of the features in Soundscape 
> and incorporate them into their own app like nearby explorer. In one way, 
> although discouraged in the short run, I believe this is better for the 
> industry so small developers with unique ideas will not be shut out by the 
> big boys.
> Thomas Frank
> vermont...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
>> On Dec 19, 2022, at 9:10 PM, Esther Levegnale  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> that's really too bad because I found this app very helpful. I wonder why it 
>> is being discontinued? Esther
>> 
>> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!
>> 
>>>> On Dec 19, 2022, at 12:46 PM, Mo Khan  wrote:
>>> 
>>> the micro soft soundscape iOS app is being discontinued from January. 
>>> Current versions of the app that have been downloaded will be usable until 
>>> June 2023. Very surprised at this considering it seems to be a popular app 
>>> in the blind community.
>>> 
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Re: re microsoft soundscape

[Esther Levegnale]

that's really too bad because I found this app very helpful. I wonder why it is 
being discontinued? Esther

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> On Dec 19, 2022, at 12:46 PM, Mo Khan  wrote:
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> 
> the micro soft soundscape iOS app is being discontinued from January. Current 
> versions of the app that have been downloaded will be usable until June 2023. 
> Very surprised at this considering it seems to be a popular app in the blind 
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Re: Microsoft sound scape being discontinued

[Esther Levegnale]

I feel bad that soundscape is being discontinued as well. I used it on the 
streets, plus I've used it walking around in my yard as well. It's really a 
shame. Esther

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> On Dec 13, 2022, at 2:49 AM, CJ & AA MAY  wrote:
> 
> 
> I didn’t use this app regularly, but it got me out of a couple of sticky 
> situations where I found myself lost.
> 
> Alison
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> tai.toma...@gmail.com
> Sent: 12 December 2022 20:32
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Microsoft sound scape being discontinued
>  
> Same here, I really enjoyed this app.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Lisa 
> Belville
> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2022 3:26 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Microsoft sound scape being discontinued
>  
> That is too bad.  I know what streets are in my neighborhood, and I like to 
> just turn on MS Soundscapes and have it announce the streets as I cross them. 
>  I have a beacon set up for my house.
> 
>  
> 
> I also liked the virtual street preview.
> 
>  
> 
> I have Google maps, and of course there's apple maps, but what other very 
> basic GPS is out there for those of us who just need to know where we are and 
> not necessarily plan routes for everything.
> 
>  
> 
> Lisa
> 
>  
> 
> Lisa Belville
> missktlab1...@frontier.com
> On 12/12/2022 2:14 PM, Devin Prater wrote:
> Then again I never thought they'd just give up on Sounscape either.
> Devin Prater
> r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com
>  
>  
>  
>  
> On Mon, Dec 12, 2022 at 2:12 PM Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> I doubt Seeing AI will follow this example, it seemed to me that Microsoft 
> Soundscape was more of an experiment and I assume it is by far the less 
> popular if you compared it to Seeing AI.
> I have it downloaded as well and maybe I should try to use it again more, but 
> I never found it that useful.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Gordon
> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2022 10:57 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Microsoft sound scape being discontinued
> 
> I just got an update and in the release notes it said that it's being 
> discontinued in January but that if you already have it installed on your 
> phone you can use it through June. I hope that seeing AI doesn't go to.
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Re: turning off automatic updates

[Esther Levegnale]

I did the same thing. Esther

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> On Oct 25, 2022, at 10:36 AM, Paula Jordan  wrote:
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> 
> Thanks. Didn’t even think to look in settings under app store. I turned 
> automatic updates off. That should do the trick.
> God bless!
> Paula and the pups
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Barbara Stahl
> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2022 11:26 PM
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>  
> Try going to settings then app store then making sure that the setting to 
> automatically update apps is turned off.  
> 
> 
> On Oct 24, 2022, at 10:09 PM, Paula Jordan  wrote:
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> 
> Hi all.  I have always had my updates turned off, but since I updated to 
> 16.03 all apps are updated automatically.  I want to turn that off. In 
> general, and about, I turned off automatic updates, but my apps seem to 
> update automatically.  Apparently that setting only applies to the software 
> update.  How do I turn automatic app updates off?  Probably pretty basic, but 
> I can’t figure it out.  Thanks.
> God bless!
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Re: Shutting Down With Side-Button

[Esther Levegnale]

hi, everyone, when I first got my iPhone 13 Pro Max, I did that very thing! 
Yikes, was I nervous about that. Esther

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> On Oct 17, 2022, at 12:37 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> While holding in the volume down and power button does give an option to shut 
> down, it also brings up the emergency call screen.
> Depending on your settings, this may end up in making a 911 call when you 
> don’t want to.
> The safer method is what has been given before:
> Quickly press and release volume up, then volume down, then press and hold 
> just the power button.
> You will hear voiceover say power off, release the button and double tap 
> power off.
> If you keep holding the power button at that point it will reboot the phone.
>  
>  
>  
>  
> Richard, USA.
> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
> --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
>  
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Rajiv 
> Shah
> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2022 9:33 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Shutting Down With Side-Button
>  
> Hi,
>  
> Hold down the powerbutton and press the volume down button together.
>  
> Best,
>  
> Rajiv
>  
> From: "ליאל בן סימון" 
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2022 8:49:33 AM
> Subject: Re: Shutting Down With Side-Button
>  
> To turn iPhone off press and release the Volume Up button, press and release 
> the volume down button and press and hold the Side button.
> The option power off will appir, Double tap on  that.
>  
> נשלח מה-iPhone שלי
>  
> ‫ב-17 באוק׳ 2022, בשעה 5:30, ‏‏Fazil M. ‏ כתב/ה:
> 
> Hi, group.
> How can I power off my iPhone12?
> When I keep the side-button pressed, it brings up Siri, so how can I shut the 
> phone down, please?
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Re: working at amazon

[Esther Levegnale]

Wow!  The same thing happened to me way back in the 1960s when I was trying to 
get a job straight out of college.  I was told that I would be a fall risk.  
Then, when I visited the unemployment office, someone suggested that I start my 
own transcription business, which I did, and I was able to hire a few employees 
to help me out.  My main field was medical transcription, but I also did 
dictation from a couple of factories in the area.  I had written to them, 
figuring that perhaps I couldn't get work as a medical transcriptionist.  Then, 
I was able to get work from several other hospitals throughout the state of CT, 
 and I had to hire people to help me do the non-medical work.  My business went 
well for several years, and then hospitals started getting their own medical 
transcriptionists, so one day, my Dad was reading the paper and he saw that a 
local hospital was looking for medical transcriptionists immediately, so 
without hesitation, I applied for a job.  I had to take a test before I was 
hired, and luckily, I was able to work there for 30 years.  I retired back in 
2004 and I am enjoying my retirement immensely!

Esther

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> On Oct 8, 2022, at 1:56 PM, Marda  wrote:
> 
> 
> Amazon in America does have at least one blind person that I read an article 
> about.  Don't know about other countries.  Also it may depend on what 
> position you are applying for.  The person I read about works in a position 
> where he is making their products more accessible to people with all kinds of 
> disabilities.  So they are willing to employ a blind person in that type of 
> job but I don't know how they feel about their other positions.  Sometimes I 
> have seen companies who are willing to employ blind people in something like 
> an accessibility related job but it doesn't always extend to their other jobs 
> and sometimes the discrimination is really subtle and difficult to prove.  
> But I know I have gone through much rejection by employers and did eventually 
> get jobs but sometimes you have to experience a lot of rejection before you 
> land a job.  It can be very difficult and discouraging.  I know someone that 
> lost a job and went for seven years without getting another and with going 
> through tons of sending out resumes and applying for jobs and this person was 
> very educated and capable and had worked successfully as a blind person and 
> after seven years he did find a job where he is happy and happens to also be 
> making quite a bit of money.  Obviously it doesn't work to that degree for 
> everyone.  I don't make the kind of money he does and I'm only working very 
> part-time.  So every case will be different.  I hope though that you will 
> keep trying to find a job and if you want to work at amazon I'd say go for it 
> and see what happens.  You might get more rejection but you'll never know if 
> you don't try and even if they have rejected people in the past there might 
> be a new person working there now that does things ddifferently.  It's very 
> tempting to give up.  I have had times when I did.  But I hope you will be 
> able to have the strength to keep trying.
> 
> Marda
> 
> On 10/8/2022 2:54 AM, 'Afik Souffir' via VIPhone wrote:
>>  
>>  
>> Hi,
>>  
>> Does Amazon employ blind people?
>> I saw a job in Israel, and applied, but I had a negative past with so many 
>> companies, according to my blindness, so, I don’t know…
>>  
>> Many companies just rejected me because of my disability.
>>  
>>  
>> Thanks much,
>>  
>> Afik
>>  
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Re: Any thoughts on the iPhone 14 or 14 Pro?

[Esther Levegnale]

Hi, Joshua,

I also love my 13 Pro Max.  When I play music on it, it has a great sound.  I 
thought it would take me a long time to use a phone without a Home button, but 
I adapted to it very quickly.

Take care.

Esther

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> On Oct 8, 2022, at 1:26 PM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
> 
> I probably should have waited for the 14 pro max, but the 13 pro max I
> have is working great.
> 
>> On 10/8/22, Richard Turner  wrote:
>> Also, Sieghard makes a great point about the regular 14 models since they
>> have the same chip as the iPhone 13 series, don’t bother with anything less
>> than the 14 pro, or get a discounted 13 pro, or, probably better, wait for
>> the 15 and see if they do the same dumb—s trick of giving the pro models the
>> new chip and leaving the previous chip in the non-pro models…
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard, USA.
>> 
>> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”
>> --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Saturday, October 8, 2022 9:29 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Any thoughts on the iPhone 14 or 14 Pro?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Having said what I said in my previous message I would wait until next year
>> and buy an iPhone 15 or 15 Pro. It is extremely likely that next year the
>> Lightning port goes away and a USB-C port is put in its place; whether we'll
>> see Touch Id again in addition to Face Id is unlikely but not entirely out
>> of the picture and I certainly won't upgrade my iPhone 11 which works great
>> until next year.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of
>> Jim Portillo
>> Sent: Saturday, October 8, 2022 8:40 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Any thoughts on the iPhone 14 or 14 Pro?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Good morning, everyone -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I’m seriously considering taking advantage of upgrading my phone. I have the
>> iPhone 12, which is paid for, free and clear. However, there are a few
>> issues I’m finding a bit disconcerting with the phone these days. Since I
>> have the opportunity to at least look at upgrading, I might do that.
>> 
>> I’m with AT&T.
>> 
>> Does anyone have thoughts on either the iPhone 14 or 14 pro? For those who
>> have either phone, how do you like them?
>> 
>> I’ve never really had issues with any of my phones, and I hope to continue
>> this streak if I do upgrade.
>> 
>> Also, I’m wondering what is better. Should I go through the Apple Store and
>> get a trade-in, or should I go through my carrier? I’m still doing all of
>> the necessary research.
>> 
>> Anyway, thanks for any info you could give me on advantages or disadvantages
>> of the new iPhone 14.
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>> 
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Re: pre-ordering Stollen from Sieghart

[Esther Levegnale]

hi, everyone, I always spoon flour into a measuring cup. I learned that the 
hard way!☺️ Esther

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> On Sep 24, 2022, at 4:41 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Oh yes!  Always spoon flour into measuring cups.  I learned about that years 
> ago.
> A very helpful tip, though tedious.
> That is where weighing makes more sense.
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
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>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2022 11:52 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: pre-ordering Stollen from Sieghart
>  
> Measuring whether using cups or a scale is no different exact using a cup is 
> not very accurate. If you want it to be as accurate as possible especially 
> for floour you have to spoon the flour into the cup because if you scoop it 
> in then it gets compressed and instead of the approx. 120 grams which a cup 
> of all purpose flour should weigh you may have 20% more which makes a huge 
> difference.
> If I need 4.5 cups of flour it's actually a lot faster to weigh it than to 
> use first a 1-cup measurement and then a half cup measurement.
> I enjoy cooking but baking even more and I enjoy the precision and the 
> process (and of course the results).
> I don't have that much time to do a lot which is probably good because while 
> I don't gain weight that easily, I will gain weight if I eat lots of sweets 
> and besides its not good for you despite how good it seems to be 😂
> But for me Christmas without a German Stollen, certain types of cookies and 
> lots of Marzipan is just not right. Oh, and lets not forget hot mulled wine 
> with spices.
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> deidreandlou...@gmail.com
> Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2022 11:46 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: pre-ordering Stollen from Sieghart
>  
>Reading this post made me hungry, and want to have a live in 
> Sieghart. Measuring out the exact weight of  ingredients as you put a baked 
> good together is true  commitment to cooking.
>  
>Deidre
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of This 
> Weitzel
> Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2022 1:23 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: seeking recommendations for kitchen scales and cooking 
> thermometers
>  
> Hello Keith,
>  
> I personally find the talking scales from my Weigh to work best. I should 
> mention that I haven't tried a connected scale yet, but my problem with them 
> is that each time you want to weigh something you have to get out your 
> iPhone, I assume you would have to use some app to work with the scale and 
> then hopefully the scale once setup connects without fuss and can provide a 
> continuous readout as you add whatever ingredient you are weighing to the 
> scale.
> I enjoy cooking and baking and even if I say so myself I am quite good at it 
> having been taught by my Mom who has her Masters in home economics from 
> Germany back when she was young in the late 50's and early 60's. Back then 
> they were taught so many basics and of course while she is not a Chef, her 
> education included a lot of cooking and baking. Anyways, recipes from Germany 
> always have ingredients listed in grams which of course is much more precise 
> than using cups and spoons with the exception of some spices where it called 
> for a teaspoon of ground cumin or cloves or cinnamon in which case the 
> teaspoon is fine since that would only be 2 or 3 grams at best which is 
> difficult to weigh.
> If I bake and have to weigh flour, sugar, butter and whatever other 
> ingredients I may need I want to be able to do so quickly and accurately and 
> the My Weigh talking scale I have allows me to do this.
> Just as one example, we have a traditional Christmas cake in Germany called 
> "Stollen" which is a yeast dough with a ton of stuff in it like ground 
> almonds, 3 different types of raisins, fresh ginger, candied ginger, candied 
> orange peel, candied lemon peel, so I have to weigh all that in addition to 
> flour, butter, milk (I also weigh liquids), yeast and without a scale where 
> you can do this quickly and without fuss it would be a pain in the neck.
>  
> I know this topic has come up before and I think it was Krister who said his 
> My Weigh scales always break and never work more than a few months or maybe a 
> year, but that is not my experience. I had my first My Weigh scale for I 
> think around 20 years when it did at some point not work any more. It was the 
> VOX-3000 and the surprising thing is that when I contacted My weigh they 
> offered to replace it with a new scale for only the shipping cost which I 
> thought was amazing. I now have had that replacement scale for probably the 
> last 4 or 5 years and 

Re: identifying music

[Esther Levegnale]

Hi, everyone,

I decided not to update to iOS16 because of what I have been reading on this 
wonderful and informative list.  Unfortunately, a friend of mine, who used to 
be on the list, did upgrade and she's having a lot of problems with 16.

Esther

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> On Sep 21, 2022, at 7:40 AM, Jennie Facer  wrote:
> 
> Hi Joe,
> 
> It wouldn't hurt to write accessibil...@apple.com and let them know what you 
> are experiencing. I have a 13 pro max that doesthe same thing. It is not a 
> headset problem. A lot of us are getting it from Siri not identifying the 
> song but Music Recognition in Control Center does. So, you aren't alone.
> 
> Jenn 
> 
> Jenn and Kumi
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2022, at 3:39 AM, Joe Paton  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all.
>> 
>> This is really of interest, nothing more.
>> I have an Iphon 12, brand new.  during setup, the invitation which can not 
>> be refused, to update to IOS16 was offered, so I seized it, with something
>> close to enthusiasm.
>> 
>> so one of the benefits of this update, on this phone, is that the system
>> no longer identifies music, artist, or title, instead the encouraging
>> message, "sorry I can't recognize music right now, please try in a bit.
>> A bit of what? I ask!
>> 
>> this message is spoken with something close to confidence.
>> 
>> with her permission, I reach for my wife's SE  second generation,
>> running IOS16, and pose the same question. Now I hear huge applause, and
>> the music is adentifyed as Chick Corea, Crystal silence.
>> to keep this esay short, I repeat the procedure with my old Iphone 7
>> plus, running IOS 15.7, and My Ipad, and they both, almost in perfect
>> harmony, identify each item of music, while the beautiful Shiny new
>> iphone 12, stubborn in its reluctance, or inability to perform the same
>> task fails with utmost confidence.
>> It seems that this update has negative effects on some phones, but not
>> all phones.  Maybe this is a handset problem, but I doubt it.
>> 
>> After writing the above, I asked Shazam to identify a track, 
>> . You can guess the outcome? perfect.
>> 
>> so there we have it.  Where, in the huge organization of apple, would I
>> advise, if they don't know already, of this problem.
>> Thanks for reading.
>> good luck with IOS 16 yall.
>> 
>> Joe
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: One of our list members.

[Esther Levegnale]

hi Jenny and everyone, I am glad he's feeling much better. Good news. Esther

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> On Sep 15, 2022, at 6:21 PM, Jenny Bomareto 
>  wrote:
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> I just heard from Les Kriegler a little while ago. He’s feeling much better 
> and his wife is starting to improve. However, it will take her a little bit 
> longer since she caught it two days after Les did.
> 
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Re: Music and downloading

[Esther Levegnale]

I have also experienced the same thing. However I would delete the message and 
then download this song again. I will have to try this new technique. Esther

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> On Sep 14, 2022, at 6:10 AM, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
> 
> I think it has something to do with licensing, sometimes you will see tracks 
> that are described as unavailable.  Strangely enough sometimes track 
> availability is different on an iPhone from what is listed and available in 
> iTunes.
> 
> When I attempt to play some tracks I’m told this content is not available in 
> your country or region but trying to play it a second time it plays without 
> problems.  Strange.
> 
> Malcolm Parfitt
> 
>> On 14 Sep 2022, at 10:57, Amy Ruell  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> I have an active Apple Music subscription. When I Peru’s artists, I note 
>> that some albums are eligible for download and some do not appear to be. Do 
>> we know why that is? Thanks.
>> Amy.
>> 
>> 
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Re: New voices iOS 16

[Esther Levegnale]

yes, I was referring to the DeckTalk  voice. I didn't know that Stephen Hawking 
used the same voice. Esther

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> On Sep 14, 2022, at 11:59 AM, Kevin Minor  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Esther and all.
>  
> I think it’s important to match the voice with what we think it is. I’ve been 
> using Eloquence since Henter-Joyce released it for JAWS, and I don’t remember 
> one named Perfect Paul. I do remember that voice with Dec Talk, whether the 
> hardware hooked to a PC, Dec Talk Access 32, which was software based, or 
> even Text Assist, which was part of the Sound Blaster cards. All of those had 
> a voice called Perfect Paul.
>  
> If you want to hear what that voice sounds like, there’s an easy way to do 
> it. Just look for stuff where Stephen Hawking is talking. He’s using a 
> computer voice to do so, because ALS made it impossible for him to speak. He 
> used a thing called a Liberator, where he used a head pointer to point to a 
> certain symbol on a screen. He’d blink to let the system know it was what was 
> wanted, then a voice would speak for him. The think that generated the speech 
> was a Dec Talk Express, and his voice of choice was Perfect Paul. Pink Floyd, 
> in their song Keep Talking sampled that voice in their song. Also, the band 
> Kraftwerk used it as well in the song Techno Pop.
>  
> Just some things I know that might help all know if we’re talking about the 
> same voice or not.
>  
> Kevin, Valerie and Jilly
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Esther 
> Levegnale
> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2022 11:47 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New voices iOS 16
>  
> yes, perfect Paul was definitely many years ago. I certainly remember that 
> one! Esther
> 
> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!
> 
> 
> On Sep 14, 2022, at 11:44 AM, chrisjudge1...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> 
> If there was ever a perfect paul for eloquence it must have been quite some 
> time ago.
>  
> Chris Judge
> 
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kevin 
> Minor
> Sent: September 14, 2022 12:39 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: New voices iOS 16
>  
> Hi again.
>  
> Spell check fixed something which broke it. The voice should be Uppity 
> Urcilla.
>  
> Kevin, Valerie and Jilly
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kevin 
> Minor
> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2022 11:37 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: New voices iOS 16
>  
> Hi.
>  
> There is no Paul voice in Eloquence. I looked in both JAWS and Voiceover 
> under Eloquence, and it’s not there.
>  
> If you’re thinking of Perfect Paul, that’s from good old Dec Talk. I do wish 
> that were available, but it’s not. Remember another Dec Talk voice called 
> Uppity Cruella? I remember that one as well.
>  
> Kevin, Valerie and Jilly
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Anthony Vece
> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2022 8:57 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New voices iOS 16
>  
> I am trying to find the eloquence voice called perfect Paul. When I use Jaws 
> that’s the voice I always used. I can’t find it. Does anyone know where it 
> is? Thank you.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 13 Pro!!
>  
> 
> On Sep 14, 2022, at 8:34 AM, Tom Rash  wrote:
> 
> I am using the enhanced version of Tom.  It sounds a little muddy though.  I 
> notice that some of the voices sound a little muddy even with the enhanced 
> version.  Maybe things will clear up in a while.dd
>  
> 
> On Sep 14, 2022, at 4:18 AM, chrisjudge1...@gmail.com wrote:
>  
> I have been looking forward to eloquence for a while now. I’ve been using it 
> all day yesterday and I’m not sure I like it. It sounds kind of muddy. I’m 
> using a 13 pro.
>  
> Chris Judge
> 
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: September 12, 2022 7:05 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: New voices iOS 16
>  
> Well, I used to use Eloquence on my PC and then I switched to eSpeak when I 
> was using Linux. Now that I’m an old man, I figure I deserve a nice quality 
> voice, and I’m not in a hurry like I was when I wore a younger man’s clothes!
>  
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of CHELA 
> Robles
> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 5:00 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New voices iOS 16
>  
> Her voice sounds really good. Premium quality is amazing on some of those 
> voices that offer all three voice types. By the way, i

Re: New voices iOS 16

[Esther Levegnale]

you are absolutely correct. Esther

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> On Sep 14, 2022, at 11:59 AM, Kevin Minor  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Esther and all.
>  
> I think it’s important to match the voice with what we think it is. I’ve been 
> using Eloquence since Henter-Joyce released it for JAWS, and I don’t remember 
> one named Perfect Paul. I do remember that voice with Dec Talk, whether the 
> hardware hooked to a PC, Dec Talk Access 32, which was software based, or 
> even Text Assist, which was part of the Sound Blaster cards. All of those had 
> a voice called Perfect Paul.
>  
> If you want to hear what that voice sounds like, there’s an easy way to do 
> it. Just look for stuff where Stephen Hawking is talking. He’s using a 
> computer voice to do so, because ALS made it impossible for him to speak. He 
> used a thing called a Liberator, where he used a head pointer to point to a 
> certain symbol on a screen. He’d blink to let the system know it was what was 
> wanted, then a voice would speak for him. The think that generated the speech 
> was a Dec Talk Express, and his voice of choice was Perfect Paul. Pink Floyd, 
> in their song Keep Talking sampled that voice in their song. Also, the band 
> Kraftwerk used it as well in the song Techno Pop.
>  
> Just some things I know that might help all know if we’re talking about the 
> same voice or not.
>  
> Kevin, Valerie and Jilly
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Esther 
> Levegnale
> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2022 11:47 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New voices iOS 16
>  
> yes, perfect Paul was definitely many years ago. I certainly remember that 
> one! Esther
> 
> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!
> 
> 
> On Sep 14, 2022, at 11:44 AM, chrisjudge1...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> 
> If there was ever a perfect paul for eloquence it must have been quite some 
> time ago.
>  
> Chris Judge
> 
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kevin 
> Minor
> Sent: September 14, 2022 12:39 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: New voices iOS 16
>  
> Hi again.
>  
> Spell check fixed something which broke it. The voice should be Uppity 
> Urcilla.
>  
> Kevin, Valerie and Jilly
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kevin 
> Minor
> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2022 11:37 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: New voices iOS 16
>  
> Hi.
>  
> There is no Paul voice in Eloquence. I looked in both JAWS and Voiceover 
> under Eloquence, and it’s not there.
>  
> If you’re thinking of Perfect Paul, that’s from good old Dec Talk. I do wish 
> that were available, but it’s not. Remember another Dec Talk voice called 
> Uppity Cruella? I remember that one as well.
>  
> Kevin, Valerie and Jilly
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Anthony Vece
> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2022 8:57 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New voices iOS 16
>  
> I am trying to find the eloquence voice called perfect Paul. When I use Jaws 
> that’s the voice I always used. I can’t find it. Does anyone know where it 
> is? Thank you.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 13 Pro!!
>  
> 
> On Sep 14, 2022, at 8:34 AM, Tom Rash  wrote:
> 
> I am using the enhanced version of Tom.  It sounds a little muddy though.  I 
> notice that some of the voices sound a little muddy even with the enhanced 
> version.  Maybe things will clear up in a while.dd
>  
> 
> On Sep 14, 2022, at 4:18 AM, chrisjudge1...@gmail.com wrote:
>  
> I have been looking forward to eloquence for a while now. I’ve been using it 
> all day yesterday and I’m not sure I like it. It sounds kind of muddy. I’m 
> using a 13 pro.
>  
> Chris Judge
> 
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: September 12, 2022 7:05 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: New voices iOS 16
>  
> Well, I used to use Eloquence on my PC and then I switched to eSpeak when I 
> was using Linux. Now that I’m an old man, I figure I deserve a nice quality 
> voice, and I’m not in a hurry like I was when I wore a younger man’s clothes!
>  
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of CHELA 
> Robles
> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 5:00 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New voices iOS 16
>  
> Her voice sounds really good. Premium quality is amazing on some of those 
> voices that offer all three voice types. By the way, it was kind of funny to 
> read your message. Christopher with the good news

Re: Novelty voices

[Esther Levegnale]

that's very cool! Esther

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> On Sep 14, 2022, at 12:47 PM, chrisjudge1...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> 
> I’m a Samantha fan myself.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Esther 
> Levegnale
> Sent: September 14, 2022 12:51 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Novelty voices
>  
> I use the Samantha voice as well. I like it very much. Esther
> 
> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!
> 
> 
> On Sep 14, 2022, at 10:34 AM, Kathy Blackburn  wrote:
> 
> 
> In my opinion, the Kathy voice is dreadful. I went back to Samantha.
> 
> Kathy Blackburn
> kblac...@austin.rr.com
> 
> On Sep 13, 2022 11:29 AM, CHELA Robles  wrote:
> Apparently, there are weird people out there that like those weird novelties 
> it brings some sort of nos nostalgia or something. right now I’m using 
> eloquence, but I have a habit of changing to other natural voices from time 
> to time. I did try good news and it freaked me out a bit too. But I 
> understood since it was all in English it was just singing to me. Anyway, how 
> do you like Stephanie?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
>  
> On Sep 13, 2022, at 9:24 AM, manyofus1...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> 
> I just updated to IOS 16.
> 
> Why on earth did they include novelty voices?
> 
> They are awful! And so weird!
> 
> Who’ll even use them?
> 
> I am using the UK voice, stephanie right now.
> 
> Shirley
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Re: New voices iOS 16

[Esther Levegnale]

oops, my mistake. It was deck talk. Esther

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> On Sep 14, 2022, at 9:53 AM, chrisjudge1...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> 
> I thought that was a dec talk voice. I don’t recall perfect paul ever being 
> available in eloquence.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Anthony Vece
> Sent: September 14, 2022 9:57 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New voices iOS 16
>  
> I am trying to find the eloquence voice called perfect Paul. When I use Jaws 
> that’s the voice I always used. I can’t find it. Does anyone know where it 
> is? Thank you.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 13 Pro!!
> 
> 
> On Sep 14, 2022, at 8:34 AM, Tom Rash  wrote:
> 
> I am using the enhanced version of Tom.  It sounds a little muddy though.  I 
> notice that some of the voices sound a little muddy even with the enhanced 
> version.  Maybe things will clear up in a while.dd
> 
> 
> On Sep 14, 2022, at 4:18 AM, chrisjudge1...@gmail.com wrote:
>  
> I have been looking forward to eloquence for a while now. I’ve been using it 
> all day yesterday and I’m not sure I like it. It sounds kind of muddy. I’m 
> using a 13 pro.
>  
> Chris Judge
> 
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: September 12, 2022 7:05 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: New voices iOS 16
>  
> Well, I used to use Eloquence on my PC and then I switched to eSpeak when I 
> was using Linux. Now that I’m an old man, I figure I deserve a nice quality 
> voice, and I’m not in a hurry like I was when I wore a younger man’s clothes!
>  
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of CHELA 
> Robles
> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 5:00 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New voices iOS 16
>  
> Her voice sounds really good. Premium quality is amazing on some of those 
> voices that offer all three voice types. By the way, it was kind of funny to 
> read your message. Christopher with the good news, voice singing your whole 
> email message quite interesting. Indeed I switched it to eloquence though, 
> because then I can hear it at a much faster speed that I’m used to reading 
> emails in on my windows, computer. I usually have it set to 70% on my 
> computer if you were wondering.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
>  
> 
> On Sep 12, 2022, at 2:44 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I was already a fan of Ava, so I can’t wait to check out the premium version!
>  
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> Chaltain at Outlook
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 4:08 PM
> To: ViPone list 
> Subject: New voices iOS 16
>  
> I personally like the following new voices.
> Scotland, Fiona enhanced, UK Jamie premium, and Ava prrmium.
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
> “What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
> consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin
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Re: Novelty voices

[Esther Levegnale]

I use the Samantha voice as well. I like it very much. Esther

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> On Sep 14, 2022, at 10:34 AM, Kathy Blackburn  wrote:
> 
> 
> In my opinion, the Kathy voice is dreadful. I went back to Samantha.
> 
> Kathy Blackburn
> kblac...@austin.rr.com
> 
> On Sep 13, 2022 11:29 AM, CHELA Robles  wrote:
> Apparently, there are weird people out there that like those weird novelties 
> it brings some sort of nos nostalgia or something. right now I’m using 
> eloquence, but I have a habit of changing to other natural voices from time 
> to time. I did try good news and it freaked me out a bit too. But I 
> understood since it was all in English it was just singing to me. Anyway, how 
> do you like Stephanie?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 13, 2022, at 9:24 AM, manyofus1...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> 
> I just updated to IOS 16.
> 
> Why on earth did they include novelty voices?
> 
> They are awful! And so weird!
> 
> Who’ll even use them?
> 
> I am using the UK voice, stephanie right now.
> 
> Shirley
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Re: New voices iOS 16

[Esther Levegnale]

yes, perfect Paul was definitely many years ago. I certainly remember that one! 
Esther

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> On Sep 14, 2022, at 11:44 AM, chrisjudge1...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> 
> If there was ever a perfect paul for eloquence it must have been quite some 
> time ago.
>  
> Chris Judge
> 
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kevin 
> Minor
> Sent: September 14, 2022 12:39 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: New voices iOS 16
>  
> Hi again.
>  
> Spell check fixed something which broke it. The voice should be Uppity 
> Urcilla.
>  
> Kevin, Valerie and Jilly
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kevin 
> Minor
> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2022 11:37 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: New voices iOS 16
>  
> Hi.
>  
> There is no Paul voice in Eloquence. I looked in both JAWS and Voiceover 
> under Eloquence, and it’s not there.
>  
> If you’re thinking of Perfect Paul, that’s from good old Dec Talk. I do wish 
> that were available, but it’s not. Remember another Dec Talk voice called 
> Uppity Cruella? I remember that one as well.
>  
> Kevin, Valerie and Jilly
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Anthony Vece
> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2022 8:57 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New voices iOS 16
>  
> I am trying to find the eloquence voice called perfect Paul. When I use Jaws 
> that’s the voice I always used. I can’t find it. Does anyone know where it 
> is? Thank you.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 13 Pro!!
>  
> 
> On Sep 14, 2022, at 8:34 AM, Tom Rash  wrote:
> 
> I am using the enhanced version of Tom.  It sounds a little muddy though.  I 
> notice that some of the voices sound a little muddy even with the enhanced 
> version.  Maybe things will clear up in a while.dd
>  
> 
> On Sep 14, 2022, at 4:18 AM, chrisjudge1...@gmail.com wrote:
>  
> I have been looking forward to eloquence for a while now. I’ve been using it 
> all day yesterday and I’m not sure I like it. It sounds kind of muddy. I’m 
> using a 13 pro.
>  
> Chris Judge
> 
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: September 12, 2022 7:05 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: New voices iOS 16
>  
> Well, I used to use Eloquence on my PC and then I switched to eSpeak when I 
> was using Linux. Now that I’m an old man, I figure I deserve a nice quality 
> voice, and I’m not in a hurry like I was when I wore a younger man’s clothes!
>  
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of CHELA 
> Robles
> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 5:00 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New voices iOS 16
>  
> Her voice sounds really good. Premium quality is amazing on some of those 
> voices that offer all three voice types. By the way, it was kind of funny to 
> read your message. Christopher with the good news, voice singing your whole 
> email message quite interesting. Indeed I switched it to eloquence though, 
> because then I can hear it at a much faster speed that I’m used to reading 
> emails in on my windows, computer. I usually have it set to 70% on my 
> computer if you were wondering.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
>  
> 
> On Sep 12, 2022, at 2:44 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I was already a fan of Ava, so I can’t wait to check out the premium version!
>  
> --
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> Chaltain at Outlook
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 4:08 PM
> To: ViPone list 
> Subject: New voices iOS 16
>  
> I personally like the following new voices.
> Scotland, Fiona enhanced, UK Jamie premium, and Ava prrmium.
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
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Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[Esther Levegnale]

NO KIDDING!  RIGHT?

ESTHER

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> On Sep 11, 2022, at 10:43 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do.
> 
> Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or low vision.
> 
> Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend of mine and she 
> picked up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone because she 
> wanted to make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up the phone but, 
> thinking it was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could unlock the device 
> by simply pointing it towards me.
> 
> It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the least.  
> 
> I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough vision to see her pick up 
> my phone?"  Wow!
> 
> I just don't like Face ID!
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Donna Casteen
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:25 PM
> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> I actually believe fingerprint unlock to be more secure than facial 
> IDespecially for a blind person anyway. If a theif should slip our phone out 
> of our pocket, purse etc or grab our phone from our hand, they could lock the 
> phone, turn the phone back on & point the camera at our face all within 
> 15sec. It would take most people half this time to realize what just happened 
> & to react. But oh well, facial ID is what Apple "thinks" to be more secure.
> 
> Donna
> 
>> 
>> I've been using touch ID since I got my iPhone 11. I don't think it's new, 
>> and I don't think it's hard to use as a blind person, but I do prefer touch 
>> ID. I find it more reliable for me. I also find touch ID to be more 
>> convenient. There are just times I want to unlock my phone without having to 
>> put it in front of my face. Sometimes blind people can just prefer a feature 
>> without it having to be all about their blindness or their unwillingness to 
>> learn something new.
>> 
>> --
>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>> Chaltain at Outlook
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Mary Otten
>> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:56 PM
>> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
>> 
>> I agree with whoever it was that said when they first got a phone with Face 
>> ID, it was a little bit tricky. But I’ve had my 10 R now for some time, and 
>> Face ID works just as reliably as touch ID. I have an old 7+ with touch ID. 
>> And I have to use my pass code on that just about as often as I do on the 
>> 10r. I think people make a big deal out of it because it’s new and they 
>> think it’s hard if you’re blind. It isn’t. It does take getting used to, but 
>> so do those gestures where you have to slide up from the bottom or down from 
>> the top. Try it. Put your toe in the water, and you’ll find out it’s not 
>> that big of a deal.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Sep 10, 2022, at 10:26 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Dennis and Everyone,
>>> 
>>> Dennis I completely agree with your sentiment.
>>> 
>>> I was completely underwhelmed, at best, and absolutely disappointed, at 
>>> worst, with iPhone release this time around.
>>> 
>>> I was hoping for some form of TouchID but, not gonna happen.
>>> 
>>> Removing the SIM tray on the US models is somewhat concerning as A T & T 
>>> Wireless has had some problems with Activating and maintaining the account 
>>> settings when eSim is activated.  This is according to several articles 
>>> I've read, recently.
>>> 
>>> I just don't know, I just don't know.
>>> 
>>> I have been trying to get used to FaceID via iPhone 11 but am definitely 
>>> going to miss Touch ID.
>>> 
>>> Be that as it may, I plan to get an iPhone 14 Pro Max; not in the first 
>>> couple of months; figure I'll give carriers and Apple time to break in the 
>>> new models (smile), specifically eSIM activation but I am on the path to 
>>> iPhone 14.
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>>> Dennis Long
>>> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 2:22 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
>>> 
>>> The phones were terrible in my opinion they offered nothing.  Hopefully 
>>> they will offer touch ID somewhere on all phones if they do that and the 
>>> USBC than I might get one but If they do little to nothing like they did 
>>> this year I think a lot of people won't upgrade.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>>> Sieghard Weitzel
>>> Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 3:24 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
>>> 
>>> From all I read the regular 14 and 14 Plus do not have LiDAR.
>>> You'd be hard pressed to list 3 good reasons why somebody should upgrade

Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[Esther Levegnale]

Wow!  What a terribly sneaky thing to do to you!  I never put in Face ID, and 
was seriously thinking of doing that, but now that I read your post, I'll stick 
to my pass code.  However, what if someone sees me punching in the numbers?  
Oops!  That would be horrible if that happened.

I feel so badly for you.

Esther

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> On Sep 12, 2022, at 4:50 AM, chrisjudge1...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Kind of a sneaky thing to do behind your back. I'd have been pissed as well.
> 
> Chris Judge
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. 
> Taylor
> Sent: September 11, 2022 11:43 PM
> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
> Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do.
> 
> Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or low vision.
> 
> Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend of mine and she 
> picked up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone because she 
> wanted to make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up the phone but, 
> thinking it was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could unlock the device 
> by simply pointing it towards me.
> 
> It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the least.  
> 
> I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough vision to see her pick up 
> my phone?"  Wow!
> 
> I just don't like Face ID!
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Donna Casteen
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:25 PM
> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> I actually believe fingerprint unlock to be more secure than facial 
> IDespecially for a blind person anyway. If a theif should slip our phone out 
> of our pocket, purse etc or grab our phone from our hand, they could lock the 
> phone, turn the phone back on & point the camera at our face all within 
> 15sec. It would take most people half this time to realize what just happened 
> & to react. But oh well, facial ID is what Apple "thinks" to be more secure.
> 
> Donna
> 
>> 
>> I've been using touch ID since I got my iPhone 11. I don't think it's new, 
>> and I don't think it's hard to use as a blind person, but I do prefer touch 
>> ID. I find it more reliable for me. I also find touch ID to be more 
>> convenient. There are just times I want to unlock my phone without having to 
>> put it in front of my face. Sometimes blind people can just prefer a feature 
>> without it having to be all about their blindness or their unwillingness to 
>> learn something new.
>> 
>> --
>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>> Chaltain at Outlook
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Mary Otten
>> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:56 PM
>> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
>> 
>> I agree with whoever it was that said when they first got a phone with Face 
>> ID, it was a little bit tricky. But I’ve had my 10 R now for some time, and 
>> Face ID works just as reliably as touch ID. I have an old 7+ with touch ID. 
>> And I have to use my pass code on that just about as often as I do on the 
>> 10r. I think people make a big deal out of it because it’s new and they 
>> think it’s hard if you’re blind. It isn’t. It does take getting used to, but 
>> so do those gestures where you have to slide up from the bottom or down from 
>> the top. Try it. Put your toe in the water, and you’ll find out it’s not 
>> that big of a deal.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Sep 10, 2022, at 10:26 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Dennis and Everyone,
>>> 
>>> Dennis I completely agree with your sentiment.
>>> 
>>> I was completely underwhelmed, at best, and absolutely disappointed, at 
>>> worst, with iPhone release this time around.
>>> 
>>> I was hoping for some form of TouchID but, not gonna happen.
>>> 
>>> Removing the SIM tray on the US models is somewhat concerning as A T & T 
>>> Wireless has had some problems with Activating and maintaining the account 
>>> settings when eSim is activated.  This is according to several articles 
>>> I've read, recently.
>>> 
>>> I just don't know, I just don't know.
>>> 
>>> I have been trying to get used to FaceID via iPhone 11 but am definitely 
>>> going to miss Touch ID.
>>> 
>>> Be that as it may, I plan to get an iPhone 14 Pro Max; not in the first 
>>> couple of months; figure I'll give carriers and Apple time to break in the 
>>> new models (smile), specifically eSIM activation but I am on the path to 
>>> iPhone 14.
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>>> Dennis Long
>>> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 2:22 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
>>> 
>>> The phones were t

Re: [tech-vi Announce List] iPhone 14 Pro Models Will Have a New Chime During Startup

[Esther Levegnale]

hi, you know, when I got my new phone, which is a 13 Pro Max, I did the same 
thing and 911 called me. I kind of freaked out, and told them that I was 
getting used to a new phone. They laughed and they said oh fine. Then they said 
that they were glad that I was all right. Esther

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> On Sep 9, 2022, at 12:18 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> If the police had come you could have just told them your kid having a 
> nightmare was a real emergency and now that they are here could they please 
> deal with it.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of R Van 
> Lant
> Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2022 8:37 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: [tech-vi Announce List] iPhone 14 Pro Models Will Have a New 
> Chime During Startup
> 
> I must have magical powers I have accidentally called 911 twice.  The first 
> time I think I was holding my phone as we crossed a parking lot and got into 
> the car. Suddenly I heard this alarm and 911 came on the line. Freaked me 
> out, so I called Apple accessibility to find out how I had done it.  I 
> thought we had turned off the feature, but then one night while dealing with 
> a kid having a nightmare and trying to check the time on my phone, I again 
> accidentally called 911. I did not hear a countdown or warning with the 
> second time.  It would have been really stressful if the police had showed up 
> at my door in the middle of the night trying to figure out if I was OK.
> So, there just must be something with the way I grab my phone where I end up 
> pressing the side button and volume down button at the same time.  
> 
> Robin
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2022 11:37 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: [tech-vi Announce List] iPhone 14 Pro Models Will Have a New 
> Chime During Startup
> 
> There are two ways to call emergency services with the side button and both 
> of these methods can be disabled in Settings > Emergency SOS:
> 
> 1. Call with Hold, the explanation reads:
> Press and hold the side button and either volume button to make an emergency 
> call. In certain regions you may need to specify an emergency service to 
> dial. Auto call requires a SIM card.
> If you swipe right you then have the "Call with Hold" button which will 
> either say On or Off and you can double tap on it to toggle it.
> If you swipe right again there is a further explanation:
> If you press and hold the side button and volume buttons the emergency SOS 
> slider appears. If you continue to hold them a countdown begins and an alert 
> sounds. When the countdown ends iPhone calls emergency services.
> 
> 2. Call with 5 presses
> Rapidly pressing the side button 5 times starts a countdown and sounds an 
> alert. When the countdown ends iPhone calls emergency services.
> 
> I personally have the press and hold option turned on since it is very 
> difficult to accidently press and  hold either volume up or volume down along 
> with the side button. Taking a screenshot requires you to also press volume 
> up and the side button, but you simply press and release and I have never 
> even come close to triggering the emergency SOS. Also, keep in mind that as 
> long as you don't panic you can still cancel the emergency call, I believe 
> the countdown lasts 5 minutes and there is a cancel button which allows you 
> to stop it before the call.
> 
> Pressing the side button 5 times can be a bit easier to do accidently since 
> most people set up the side button to turn Voiceover on or off with a triple 
> press. If somebody maybe has some motor difficulties I could see how they may 
> press the button 5 times instead of 3 times.
> 
> As for using the side button by itself to invoke SIRI is not a problem and 
> there is no way you can call emergency services this way.
> In the same way there really is no way you can make an emergency call if you 
> press the buttons to power off your phone because you press them in sequence 
> and not together: first press and release volume up, then press and release 
> volume down and then press and hold the side button for just a moment until 
> Voiceover says "Power off button".
> There used to be a button on that same screen which allowed you to also call 
> Emergency Services, but it's been removed in a recent iOS update and now all 
> you have on that screen is Power Off, a button with a funny Voiceover label 
> which says something about "Location fill radio waves left and right" and it 
> has to do with whether your iPhone can be found with Find My after it has 
> been powered off and lastly there is a cancel button.
> If you are still worried you can always bring up the Power Off menu by going 
> to Settings > General > Shutdown, it does the same thing as pressing volume 
> up, volume down and the side button.
> 
> 
> You have

Re: Can I Use Touch ID Instead of Pass Code

[Esther Levegnale]

hi, Anthony, thank you so much. I use a 13 pro max iPhone. Esther

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> On Sep 7, 2022, at 10:34 AM, Anthony Vece  wrote:
> 
> Touch ID needs to be built into the device that you would like to use it on. 
> It needs to be billed into the power button. Also the app that you want to 
> use touch ID with needs to support touch ID.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 13 Pro!!
> 
>>> On Sep 7, 2022, at 10:32 AM, Esther Levegnale  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>> hi, everyone, this might be a silly question, but I was wondering if there 
>> was a way of doing touch ID when there is no home button? Thanks a lot. I 
>> hope you all have a good day. Esther
>> 
>> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!
>> 
>>>> On Sep 7, 2022, at 12:49 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>>> 
>>> You have to remember that just as you described, the passcode is required 
>>> when you turn  your phone off and back on. Each time you restart the phone 
>>> you have to enter your passcode, the same goes if you try Touch I d and 
>>> after a certain number of attempts it doesn't recognize your fingerprint, 
>>> it will then ask for the passcode to authenticate and unlock the phone.
>>> I don't know if  you turn your phone often, but really you shouldn't. 
>>> iPhones are designed to be on all the time and the don't have to be shut 
>>> down at all. From time to time you may end up having to turn it off and 
>>> back on if you have strange issues or of course there could be a time when 
>>> you simply run out of battery and the phone turns itself off, but I 
>>> literally go weeks and sometimes months without turning my phone off and 
>>> back on and the only time I have to put in my passcode is when for some 
>>> reason Face Id isn't working a few times one attempt after another (same 
>>> goes for Touch Id) or for some other strange reason. But typically I again 
>>> often go days without having to enter my passcode manually.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>>> Margaret Thomas
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2022 9:18 PM
>>> To: V iPhone list 
>>> Subject: Re: Can I Use Touch ID Instead of Pass Code
>>> 
>>> It's been asking for the Pass Code for months now.
>>> 
>>> When I power up, it says Pass Code is required when phone starts up.  My 
>>> memory is that it started asking for it after I had set use Touch ID on the 
>>> App Store instead of Apple ID.  I turn on the phone much more than I get 
>>> apps and had tried to change it to must use Apple ID on App Store in hopes 
>>> of not being asked for the Pass Code to turn on the phone, but I still had 
>>> to use the pass code.  I THINK I could use Touch ID the other day when I 
>>> installed a free app from the App Store and did not have to type my Apple 
>>> ID but it wasn't a good day and my memory may not be correct.
>>> 
>>> I don't want to get rid of the Pass Code entirely; having it helped with 
>>> some mishap I had.  I just would prefer not to have to type it in every 
>>> time I use the phone.
>>> 
>>> Margaret
>>> 
>>>> On 9/6/2022 11:51 PM, Dennis Long wrote:
>>>> If the phone is powered off you need to use that passcode the first time 
>>>> you unlock it.  If not than you should be able to use touch ID.
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>>>> Margaret Thomas
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2022 11:04 PM
>>>> To: V iPhone list 
>>>> Subject: Can I Use Touch ID Instead of Pass Code
>>>> 
>>>> Good Evening:
>>>> 
>>>> The recent Face ID hit or miss thread caught my interest since, like the 
>>>> original poster, I have an iPhone SE 2020 and like Touch ID.
>>>> 
>>>> The SE2020 is my first smart phone and is my back up  with my land line 
>>>> being my primary phone.  I have the cell powered off most of the time and 
>>>> might power it on for texting or to check the weather app etc.  I have 
>>>> Apple ID, Touch ID, and Pass Code set up and have purchased an app on the 
>>>> App Store.  The way things are set up, I have to type in my pass code when 
>>>> I power up.  I can usually do it correctly the first or second time so 
>>>> typing it

Re: Can I Use Touch ID Instead of Pass Code

[Esther Levegnale]

hi, everyone, this might be a silly question, but I was wondering if there was 
a way of doing touch ID when there is no home button? Thanks a lot. I hope you 
all have a good day. Esther

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> On Sep 7, 2022, at 12:49 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> You have to remember that just as you described, the passcode is required 
> when you turn  your phone off and back on. Each time you restart the phone 
> you have to enter your passcode, the same goes if you try Touch I d and after 
> a certain number of attempts it doesn't recognize your fingerprint, it will 
> then ask for the passcode to authenticate and unlock the phone.
> I don't know if  you turn your phone often, but really you shouldn't. iPhones 
> are designed to be on all the time and the don't have to be shut down at all. 
> From time to time you may end up having to turn it off and back on if you 
> have strange issues or of course there could be a time when you simply run 
> out of battery and the phone turns itself off, but I literally go weeks and 
> sometimes months without turning my phone off and back on and the only time I 
> have to put in my passcode is when for some reason Face Id isn't working a 
> few times one attempt after another (same goes for Touch Id) or for some 
> other strange reason. But typically I again often go days without having to 
> enter my passcode manually.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Margaret Thomas
> Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2022 9:18 PM
> To: V iPhone list 
> Subject: Re: Can I Use Touch ID Instead of Pass Code
> 
> It's been asking for the Pass Code for months now.
> 
> When I power up, it says Pass Code is required when phone starts up.  My 
> memory is that it started asking for it after I had set use Touch ID on the 
> App Store instead of Apple ID.  I turn on the phone much more than I get apps 
> and had tried to change it to must use Apple ID on App Store in hopes of not 
> being asked for the Pass Code to turn on the phone, but I still had to use 
> the pass code.  I THINK I could use Touch ID the other day when I installed a 
> free app from the App Store and did not have to type my Apple ID but it 
> wasn't a good day and my memory may not be correct.
> 
> I don't want to get rid of the Pass Code entirely; having it helped with some 
> mishap I had.  I just would prefer not to have to type it in every time I use 
> the phone.
> 
> Margaret
> 
>> On 9/6/2022 11:51 PM, Dennis Long wrote:
>> If the phone is powered off you need to use that passcode the first time you 
>> unlock it.  If not than you should be able to use touch ID.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Margaret Thomas
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2022 11:04 PM
>> To: V iPhone list 
>> Subject: Can I Use Touch ID Instead of Pass Code
>> 
>> Good Evening:
>> 
>> The recent Face ID hit or miss thread caught my interest since, like the 
>> original poster, I have an iPhone SE 2020 and like Touch ID.
>> 
>> The SE2020 is my first smart phone and is my back up  with my land line 
>> being my primary phone.  I have the cell powered off most of the time and 
>> might power it on for texting or to check the weather app etc.  I have Apple 
>> ID, Touch ID, and Pass Code set up and have purchased an app on the App 
>> Store.  The way things are set up, I have to type in my pass code when I 
>> power up.  I can usually do it correctly the first or second time so typing 
>> it isn't the problem; I'd prefer to use Touch Id instead if possible.  I am 
>> not in a work or school situation and my house does not resemble Grand 
>> Central Station and I do not have a lot of personal information on the cell.
>> 
>> The original post did say locked and not powered off.  When I first got the 
>> cell and was trying to follow along with a tutorial, the phone kept saying 
>> locked what sounded every 30 seconds and locked became a "dirty"
>> word and I never investigated what it was good for.  I turned lock to never. 
>>  I'm using the phone a little more now and would be willing to change that 
>> if someone could explain why it would be good when I use the phone so 
>> little.  I'd greatly appreciate knowing if I can keep the pass code for when 
>> I needed it for other things and could use Touch ID when powering on.
>>   Thanks,
>> 
>> Margaret
>> 
>> 
>> On Sat, 3 Sep 2022 18:14:54 -0500  SoonerAnnie  wrote:
>> 
>> Subject: Face ID hit or miss
>> Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2022 18:14:54 -0500
>> From: SoonerAnnie 
>> Reply-To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> Subject pretty much says it all. I just bought an iPhone 13 mini and have 
>> set up Face ID with no difficulty; however, it seems that it'll work two or 
>> three times and then will require me to use my pass code to unlock my phone. 
>> I am getting very tempted to put my SIM card back in my SE 20 lol. It's mu

Re: Face ID hit or miss

[Esther Levegnale]

rom my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 4, 2022, at 4:14 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Why don't  you use Face Id, for me it works better than Touch Id ever did, 
>>>> but of course that is partly because I do at time use my hands for 
>>>> physical labour like woodworking, gardening and so on and whenever I put 
>>>> in a day in my woodworking shop I could forget Touch Id for the next 2 or 
>>>> 3 days until either the glue came off my fingers and/or all the little 
>>>> cuts and scraps had heeled. Face Id is actually more secure than Touch Id 
>>>> and it works for me I would say about 96 or 98% of the time. I do have th 
>>>> attention feature turned off I should add, it makes it maybe slightly less 
>>>> secure, but both my eyes are prosthetic and I often do not have them in at 
>>>> night. I have no issue with Face I d with the attention feature enabled, 
>>>> but it will not work if it doesn't see the eyes whereas it works just fine 
>>>> even in absolute darkness with that feature disabled..
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> 
>>>> Sieghard
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>>>> Of Esther Levegnale
>>>> Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2022 9:37 AM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: Face ID hit or miss
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> on my old phones with home buttons, I really enjoyed touch ID. I 
>>>> don't think there is such a thing now with the newer phones that 
>>>> don't have a home button. I just use a pass code. Esther
>>>> 
>>>> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 3, 2022, at 10:47 PM, Joshua Hendrickson >>>> <mailto:louv...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> It will take some practice before you will feel comfortable with face
>>>> ID.  I honestly prefer touch ID myself, but I am getting used to face
>>>> ID.
>>>> 
>>>>> On 9/3/22, Anthony Vece mailto:ajv...@gmail.com> > 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I would imagine that if this is a brand-new phone for the 
>>>> first few days or
>>>> 
>>>> so it would asked for your password more often than Face 
>>>> ID. This is so that
>>>> 
>>>> everything could stick to get it. However the suggestions 
>>>> you receivedmake
>>>> 
>>>> sense. Keep us posted.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone 13 Pro!!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 3, 2022, at 8:10 PM, Nimer Jaber 
>>>>> mailto:nimerjab...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Hello,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> A couple of things to try:
>>>> 
>>>> * Try holding it at arms-length away from your face, 
>>>> straight out in front
>>>> 
>>>> of you.
>>>> 
>>>> * If you are wearing glasses, try with them off.
>>>> 
>>>> * If you did not register face ID that way, try registering it 
>>>> again.
>>>> 
>>>> * Try using a microfiber cloth to wipe off the screen. 
>>>> Sometimes, skin
>>>> 
>>>> oils can cause interference, if you hold the phone up 
>>>> to your ear while on
>>>> 
>>>> a call.
>>>> 
>>>> * Note that, on device reboot, you will certainly need 
>>>> to enter your pin
>>>> 
>>>> again.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> If none of these things help, I would probably go back 
>>>> to where you bought
>>>> 
>>>> it, or reach

Re: Face ID hit or miss

[Esther Levegnale]

on my old phones with home buttons, I really enjoyed touch ID. I don't think 
there is such a thing now with the newer phones that don't have a home button. 
I just use a pass code. Esther

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!

> On Sep 3, 2022, at 10:47 PM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
> 
> It will take some practice before you will feel comfortable with face
> ID.  I honestly prefer touch ID myself, but I am getting used to face
> ID.
> 
>> On 9/3/22, Anthony Vece  wrote:
>> I would imagine that if this is a brand-new phone for the first few days or
>> so it would asked for your password more often than Face ID. This is so that
>> everything could stick to get it. However the suggestions you receivedmake
>> sense. Keep us posted.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 13 Pro!!
>> 
 On Sep 3, 2022, at 8:10 PM, Nimer Jaber  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> A couple of things to try:
>>> * Try holding it at arms-length away from your face, straight out in front
>>> of you.
>>> * If you are wearing glasses, try with them off.
>>> * If you did not register face ID that way, try registering it again.
>>> * Try using a microfiber cloth to wipe off the screen. Sometimes, skin
>>> oils can cause interference, if you hold the phone up to your ear while on
>>> a call.
>>> * Note that, on device reboot, you will certainly need to enter your pin
>>> again.
>>> 
>>> If none of these things help, I would probably go back to where you bought
>>> it, or reach out to Apple, as it may be a hardware issue.
>>> 
 On Sat, Sep 3, 2022 at 4:15 PM SoonerAnnie  wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 Subject pretty much says it all. I just bought an iPhone 13 mini and have
 set up Face ID with no difficulty; however, it seems that it'll work two
 or three times and then will require me to use my pass code to unlock my
 phone. I am getting very tempted to put my SIM card back in my SE 20 lol.
 It's much easier to just reach over and unlock it with my finger than to
 pick up my mini and hope I can get it to unlock without having to type in
 my pass code. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks for reading.
 
 
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Re: thoughts on SE3

[Esther Levegnale]

Hey, Joshua!

I absolutely love my iPhone 13 Pro Max!  I can't get over the incredible 
battery life it has!  Hope you are doing well.  I'm doing great and having a 
great summer.  I can't believe it's almost over, though.  It's my favorite 
season.

Esther

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> On Aug 29, 2022, at 4:52 AM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
> 
> The reason why I got a 13 pro max phone was because of the better
> battery life and more internal storage.  My iPhone 8, just didn't have
> that good a battery in it.  Although I swear the battery I had in my 8
> originally was better then the battery that I had to get replaced at
> best buy.  My iPhone 8 has 256 gigs of storage. The SE3 while still
> having the home button also doesn't have enough storage for me.  If I
> didn't have 217 gigs worth of bard books on my old iPhone 8, I
> probably would have gotten a SE3 phone.  Also, while the 13 mini is a
> small phone and can fit in a pocket, I don't think I'd like the
> battery life on it.  I am amazed at how much time I can get out of my
> 13 pro max.  I can easily listen to downloaded dramatized books, or
> stream movies and still have great battery life.  This wasn't possible
> with my old 8.  The reason why I'm still hanging on to my 8 phone is
> because it contains all my downloaded bard books.  As for face ID
> verses touch ID, I honestly like touch ID better.  I can get face ID
> to work, and I really didn't have trouble setting it up.  However, if
> you don't have your face pointed in the wright direction the face ID
> won't work correctly.  I have the one terabyte model of 13 pro max.  A
> very good friend of mine sent me the money to purchase my new phone
> via wire transfer which was kind of cool.
> 
>> On 8/28/22, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> You watch too much SciFi, there is a reason why if the police wants to
>> identify somebody's DNA it has to be sent to a lab where it takes 24 to 72
>> hours for it to be sequenced and matched to somebody.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> bentleyj1...@gmail.com
>> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 6:24 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: thoughts on SE3
>> 
>> DNA recognition in a chip implanted some where in the body probably already
>> exist.  I suspect that for now, it is too expensive to implament.  Let's
>> give that technology another 10 to 15 years.
>> 
>> James B
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> mi...@eastlink.ca
>> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 8:20 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: thoughts on SE3
>> 
>> Yes but if we start getting recnised with dna then it is not so far off of
>> things like braine chips nad stuff like that. From Mich.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> bentleyj1...@gmail.com
>> Sent: August 28, 2022 9:18 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: thoughts on SE3
>> 
>> A tech support guy from Apple told me around 2 months ago that the sim card
>> is definitely on the way out in favor of E sim.  I would guess that the sim
>> slot is the first place that water might enterr.
>> 
>> I wouldn't care if my finger print sensor is under the screen, I just prefer
>> the Touch ID over face recognition.
>> 
>> I'm not sure how long it takes for technology to double these days but I
>> would not be surprised if smart phones don't recognize users via DNA at some
>> point in the future.
>> 
>> Take care,
>> 
>> James B
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 7:47 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: thoughts on SE3
>> 
>> Actually the IPX rating states 6 metres for up to 30 minutes which is
>> approx. 20 feet.
>> As for Touch Id it will be one of the things of the past in my opinion.
>> There have been rumours ever since Face Id was introduced in 2017 that one
>> day there will be an iPhone which has Face Id and under-display Touch Id
>> meaning your finger print will be read by a sensor embedded in a particular
>> area under the screen, but it's not going to be part of the iPhone 14 this
>> year and while one should never say never, I have a feeling it has gone the
>> way of the 3.5mm headphone jack. Of course such good water resistance can
>> only be achieved if there are fewer points where water can enter. I heard
>> that physical SIM cards may also soon be a thing of the past with e-SIM
>> taking over, then it's long been rumoured that at some point the iPhone
>> won't have any more connector at all and if then the volume buttons and the
>> side button are appropriately designed we could be looking at an iPhone
>> which may become the scuba divers new underwater camera. After all, most
>> scuba diving is done in 40 feet or less and a recreational diver stays down
>> maybe 55 minutes to an hour at the most with a single

Re: Uber help please.

[Esther Levegnale]

wow, what an exorbitant price! That's awful! Esther

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!

> On Aug 16, 2022, at 4:53 PM, Thom Spittle  wrote:
> 
> A similar thing happened to me. I was going to church on Sunday, it’s 
> usually about a six dollar to seven dollar fare, but they wanted $42-$43 for 
> 3/4 of a mile. I just waited and booked directly instead of doing a schedule. 
> And I paid less than six dollars. They charge a little bit more usually 10% 
> more or so by doing scheduling, but 42 or $43. They can have that
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Aug 16, 2022, at 3:44 PM, Jenny Bomareto 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> The place I need to go to on Saturday it’s only 11 minutes away and I wanted 
>> to schedule the ride in advance and UberX is selected and they wanted to 
>> charge me either $43 or $49. Could it be that I’m scheduling the trip too 
>> soon? Because also it was thinking I should go today and it was only going 
>> to be $11 for today. So again forgive me if I’m answering my own question.
>> 
>> Thanks for reading regarding this matter.
>> Jenny Bomareto
>> 
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Re: Euber help please.

[Esther Levegnale]

hi, everyone, I do exactly the same thing. Whether I am home or out, I always 
tell the driver that I am blind and I would appreciate it if he or she would 
blow their horn when they arrive. Take care everyone. Esther

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> On Aug 15, 2022, at 12:08 PM, Thom Spittle  wrote:
> 
> Hi Jenny, once you have called for a ride, double tap on the drivers 
> information and it will give you the option to call or text the driver. You 
> may text the driver and suggest that when he gets to your location she can 
> hit the horn a couple of times so you know where he is. You could tell him 
> that you’re visually impaired and just need a little sound began to know 
> where he is. Hope this helps 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Aug 15, 2022, at 11:12 AM, Jenny Bomareto 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I went into the Uber app. I went to where it said account. I went to edit. 
>> As I want to add a note so the Uber driver will call me upon arrival and to 
>> make them know I’m blind so they won’t just drive off.  Instructions please 
>> on how to do this.
>> 
>> Thanks for reading regarding this matter.
>> Jenny Bomareto
>> 
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Re: iPhone SE.

[Esther Levegnale]

hi, everyone, it would be wonderful if it could be available on the 13 pro max. 
Esther

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> On Aug 13, 2022, at 3:20 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> I have heard that eventually, fingerprint ID can work with the iPhone's 
> Power Button on the side of the phone. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> bentleyj1...@gmail.com
> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2022 10:28 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: iPhone SE.
> 
> Here is how you can tell.
> 
> 
> 
> Turn your phone completely off.  Now press down firmly on the home button.  
> It will feel like you are pressing on a solid hard piece of glass.  That is 
> because you are actually pressing down on a rigid piece of glass.
> 
> 
> 
> The haptic bump that you feel while pressing down on the home button when the 
> phone is turned on tricks us in to believing that we felt the button go down 
> when it is pressed.
> 
> 
> 
> Its kind of cool technology.  I suppose getting use to a phone with no home 
> button is no real problem but where will the finger print reader be located?  
> I will absolutely hate not having a finger print reader if that is what Apple 
> has planned for the future.
> 
> 
> 
> James B  
> 
> 
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Karen 
> Poulakos
> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2022 8:27 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: iPhone SE.
> 
> 
> 
> It’s really hard for me to tell whether the Home button is actually moving or 
> not.  I’ve heard that it doesn’t.  When I put pressure on it, I feel what 
> feels more like a slight knock, or a single vibration, in the phone itself, 
> rather than under my finger.  It’s a different response than with my first 
> generation SE.  Hard to describe.
> 
> 
> 
> Ok, I just pulled out my old phone.  That button moves much more than what I 
> am feeling with my new phone.  There was also a slight clicking sound from 
> the button on my old SE.  I don’t think the button on the SE2022 is moving.
> 
> 
> 
> The functionality of these devices is totally amazing to me.  Guess that’s 
> because I remember when phones were wired into our homes.  When I was young, 
> back in the 50’s, we even had a Party line.  For you younger people, that was 
> a line shared between 2 or more families, who may not even live next to each 
> other.  If you picked up the receiver and heard someone talking, you would 
> have to hang up and wait till they were finished before making your call.  
> Back then we only had to dial 5 digits to make a local call, until they added 
> new prefixes, then it was 7 digits.  And the first 2 digits were indicated by 
> letters of the alphabet, rather than numbers. 
> 
> 
> 
> Those were the days. . .
> 
> 
> 
> Karen P
> 
> 
> 
> From: 'Crayton Benner' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2022 7:30 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
> Subject: Re: iPhone SE.
> 
> 
> 
> I thought that the second generation had the physical home button. Maybe not? 
> I could be wrong about that. 
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Crayton Benner
> 
> 
> 
> On Aug 13, 2022, at 07:17, bentleyj1...@gmail.com 
>   wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> The home button on the SE second and third generation can’t wear out or allow 
> water in to the phone.  They are not mechanical buttons.  No moving parts.
> 
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> 
> 
> James B  
> 
> 
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
> Michael Feir
> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2022 5:18 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
> Subject: Re: iPhone SE.
> 
> 
> 
> Apple had some good reasons for abandonning the home button. They ware out 
> over time. Also, not having a home button improves water resistance. One way 
> to feel the results of the gestures which replace the home button for 
> VoiceOver usders is to go into VoiceOver audio settings and set the haptics 
> to a higher percent. This makes those indicator bumps easier to feel. 
> Personally, even without taking that step, I've never had a problem feeling 
> the bumps even when I can't hear the sounds. I don't miss the home button at 
> all.
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Aug 13, 2022 at 2:25 AM Curtis Delzer   > wrote:
> 
>I hear it has a home button, my friend will get his tomorrow, should I 
>tell him it handles finger prints like the older models do? In many ways 
>I still wish I had a home button. I believe it a serious error of Apple 
>not to include home buttons in their later models of the iPhone. I 
>contend it makes it harder to use, not easier; every try and hear that 
>little sound or feel it while any background noise is happening? Or, can 
>you enter the home button via voice command

Re: Is there anyway to back up bard books on a phone that you’re getting rid of?

[Esther Levegnale]

when I did a phone to phone transfer, my bar books did not come over either. 
Esther

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> On Aug 2, 2022, at 12:47 PM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
> 
> Lana.  I just did a phone to phone transfer from an iPhone 8 to my new
> 13 pro max.  My audible and bookshare books from voice dream reader
> transferred over to my new phone just fine, but not my bard books.
> 
>> On 8/2/22, Richard Turner  wrote:
>> Lana,
>> 
>> This is the first time I have ever heard of this.
>> How long ago was this?
>> 
>> What store was it?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> “People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of
>> thought which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard
>> 
>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>> 🦅
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Lana
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2022 9:08 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com; Alan Lemly 
>> Subject: Re: Is there anyway to back up bard books on a phone that you’re
>> getting rid of?
>> 
>> There must be. Last time I got a new phone at the store, they weren't
>> thrilled to do it, but they copied all my bard, audible, and bookshare books
>> on to the new phone. Don't know how they did it, but they did.
>> 
>> On 8/2/2022 8:21 AM, Alan Lemly wrote:
>>> Steve,
>>> 
>>> Yes, we're sure you cannot transfer downloaded BARD content from an old to
>>> a new iDevice. Accessing previously downloaded content is the best way to
>>> refresh memory on what might have been on the old device but the content
>>> has to be downloaded again.
>>> 
>>> Alan Lemly
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Aug 2, 2022, at 7:52 AM, Steve Matzura  wrote:
 
 Are you sure about that? Can't you transfer them to the new handset like
 you would transfer everything else?
 
 
> On 7/28/2022 11:37 PM, Shai wrote:
> Hello Mary,
> No, unfortunately one is not able to back up the Bard books for
> retrieval on a new device; they would have to be downloaded again.
> 
> 
>> On 7/28/22, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> I feel pretty certain that the answer to this question is no, but
>> I’m asking for a friend who has an iPhone 8 and is about to upgrade
>> to a 14 Pro, I mean a 13 Pro. Anyway, he says he has 200 bard books
>> on his iPhone 8. Is there anyway to back up that so that he can get
>> it on his new phone that he will be getting in a couple of weeks? I
>> don’t think so, but I’m hoping I’m wrong and that somebody will have an
>> answer.
>> Mary
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Re: My new iPhone

[Esther Levegnale]

Hey, Joshua!

That's great!  When I bought my phone from the Apple Store in West Hartford, 
CT, I did the same thing!  Aren't we brilliant?  Haha!

Take care and have a super weekend!

Esther

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> On Jul 29, 2022, at 5:16 AM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
> 
> That's how I set up my new iPhone 13 pro max.  I had some help from
> apple, but I was able to do it myself with their help.  I did switch
> the simcard myself to my new phone.  I really like my new phone.  It
> is working great.
> 
>> On 7/28/22, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>> Thanks, with your instructions, now I know I can do that, big help, since
>> Jim can't now.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Gerardo Corripio
>> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 4:54 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: My new iPhone
>> 
>> Exactly yes I just leave the 2 phones side by side while the transfer is
>> being done; of course after having put in his 6-digit code into the old
>> phone (or is it the new one, but one of the phones gives you a 6-digit code
>> you put into the other one), put your Apple ID password and other stuff it
>> asks for in order to go forward with the phone to phone transfer.
>> 
>> Gera
>> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel
>> 
>>> El 28 jul 2022, a la(s) 1:07 p.m., Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net>
>>> escribió:
>>> 
>>> Gera, do you just lay the phones side by side, or what, in set up?
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>>> Of Gerardo Corripio
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2022 10:59 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: My new iPhone
>>> 
>>> For me, having set up phone to phone 3 of these, you can do it
>>> independently:
>>> 1.-Power on the new phone and turn Voiceover on it of course.
>>> 2.-after selecting the country and language, they’ll be a Popup in which
>>> you can select Manusl etup,thus have your old phone ready for this; have
>>> them both plugged into power just in case.
>>> 3.-within the Manual setup, you’ll have to enter a 6-digit pin the new
>>> phone displays, into the new one, and away it goes!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Gera
>>> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel
>>> 
>>> 
>>>   El 27 jul 2022, a la(s) 9:42 a.m., Karen Poulakos 
>>> escribió:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>   
>>> 
>>>   I did have sighted help with setting it up.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>   Karen P
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>   From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>> Behalf Of Fanus Buys
>>>   Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2022 8:59 AM
>>>   To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>   Subject: RE: My new iPhone
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>   Good Day
>>> 
>>>   I intend getting a SE 2022 but previously I struggled to do a transfer
>>> of apps and data from the old phone. I could not succeed in holding the
>>> new phone over the circle or whatever on the old phone’s screen. Did you
>>> manage this without sighted help and if so, what exactly did you do?
>>> 
>>>   Regards
>>> 
>>>   Fanus
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>   Sent from M
>>>  ail   for
>>> Windows
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>   From: Karen Poulakos 
>>>   Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2022 3:15 PM
>>>   To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>>>   Subject: My new iPhone
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>   Recently got a new iPhone SE2022.  Everything went fine with the
>>> wireless
>>> 
>>>   set up.  everything, including my settings transferred correctly.  So
>>> I'm
>>> 
>>>   really happy with it.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>   There is one strange thing happening that I can't figure out.  I have
>>> 
>>>   haptics turned off, and the home button sensitivity set to 3.
>>> Occasionally,
>>> 
>>>   when I move my finger around the screen, or press on the Home button, I
>>> hear
>>> 
>>>   a  light swish sound, similar to the one you hear when sending an email
>>> or
>>> 
>>>   text.  It's so inconsistant, and infrequent, that I can't figure out
>>> what
>>> 
>>>   I'm doing that is causing it.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>   Has anyone else experienced this?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>   Karen P
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Playing with the camera app

[Esther Levegnale]

wow, Christopher, thank you for sharing this. I can't wait to try it. Esther

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> On Jul 26, 2022, at 8:10 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> This is probably old news to everyone, but I just stumbled across something, 
> and I’m so excited, I want to share. This is how clueless I am, but I was 
> looking for a screen recording I’d just done, and not knowing where else to 
> look, I brought up the camera app. While I was exploring the camera app, I 
> heard it announcing things like no people, keyboard, … I realized it was 
> telling me what was on my desk! After playing around, I found out that if you 
> move focus to the top to the view finder, the camera app will read text to 
> you and identify objects. I ran downstairs to show my wife, and I heard it 
> say “cat on a flat surface with a laptop and a glass with a beverage”. I was 
> pointing it at my kitchen table which had our cat on it, waiting to be fed, 
> my wife’s laptop and her glass of sparkling water! It’s not going to replace 
> the Seeing AI app for me yet, but it seemed awfully fast and accurate!
>  
> --
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> Chaltain at Outlook
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Re: trying to deside on what phone to upgrade to from the I Phone 8 64 bit.

[Esther Levegnale]

Wow!  That's pretty neat!  Thanks for the explanation.

Esther

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> On Jul 25, 2022, at 8:35 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> LiDAR let’s your iPhone determine distances and build 3D images of things 
> like people’s faces. It’ll help the camera focus more quickly in low light. 
> It also has a lot of promise in the future with augmented reality apps. 
> Here’s a link with some information on LiDAR and the iPhones: What’s a LiDAR 
> sensor and why’s it on the iPhone 12 Pro? (thenextweb.com)
>  
> Microsoft Seeing AI also takes advantage of the LiDAR sensors on the iPhone 
> to scan rooms and improve spatial audio. Here’s a link on that: Microsoft's 
> Seeing AI app now supports LiDAR scanners from iPhone 12 | Windows Central
>  
> Right now I consider it a nice to have, but I’m looking forward to how it can 
> be taken advantage of in the future. BTW, I’m sure there are others who know 
> way more than me about LiDAR.
>  
> --
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> Chaltain at Outlook
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Esther 
> Levegnale
> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2022 7:12 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: trying to deside on what phone to upgrade to from the I Phone 8 
> 64 bit.
>  
> hi, everyone, what exactly does LiDAR do? I have heard of it and many people 
> praised the way it worked. Thanks. Esther
> 
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> 
> 
> On Jul 25, 2022, at 5:23 PM, chrisjudge1...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> 
> Hey Mich. If you can swing it and are interested in lidar, the 13 pro is an 
> excellent choice. I bought the 250 gig back in May and love it. The battery 
> is excellent.
>  
> Chris Judge
> 
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> mi...@eastlink.ca
> Sent: July 17, 2022 2:22 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: trying to deside on what phone to upgrade to from the I Phone 8 64 
> bit.
>  
> Hi all. I would like the lists thoughts. I am running a I phone 8 with 64 bit 
> running ios15.5 and am able to upgrade it. I am trying to find out what I 
> should upgrade it to. I am blind and am a exclusive voice over user. I have 
> herd different things about the newer I phones that are out now like the I 
> phone 13 I phone 13 max and others like the I phone SE3. some things I am 
> thinking about are battery life and storage space. As some one who is blind I 
> don’t really cair that mutch about the camra since I use it some times to 
> take picks but not that offen. I would like to know what the lists thoughts 
> on what I should upgrade it to as some one who uses voice over only and the 
> camra and other things not that mutch. Many thanks. From Mich Verrier from 
> New Liskeard Ontario Canada.
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Re: trying to deside on what phone to upgrade to from the I Phone 8 64 bit.

[Esther Levegnale]

hi, everyone, what exactly does LiDAR do? I have heard of it and many people 
praised the way it worked. Thanks. Esther

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> On Jul 25, 2022, at 5:23 PM, chrisjudge1...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> 
> Hey Mich. If you can swing it and are interested in lidar, the 13 pro is an 
> excellent choice. I bought the 250 gig back in May and love it. The battery 
> is excellent.
>  
> Chris Judge
> 
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> mi...@eastlink.ca
> Sent: July 17, 2022 2:22 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: trying to deside on what phone to upgrade to from the I Phone 8 64 
> bit.
>  
> Hi all. I would like the lists thoughts. I am running a I phone 8 with 64 bit 
> running ios15.5 and am able to upgrade it. I am trying to find out what I 
> should upgrade it to. I am blind and am a exclusive voice over user. I have 
> herd different things about the newer I phones that are out now like the I 
> phone 13 I phone 13 max and others like the I phone SE3. some things I am 
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Re: iOS 16 brings new feature for bypassing CAPTCHAs- 9to5Mac

[Esther Levegnale]

I would never ever ever go back to a flip phone either. Esther

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!

> On Jun 21, 2022, at 3:08 AM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
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> This is totally awesome.  This is just one more reason why I really
> like apple so much and would never go back to a stupid flip phone.
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>> On 6/21/22, Dennis Long  wrote:
>> Nice job apple.
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>> https://9to5mac.com/2022/06/20/ios-16-bypass-captchas/
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