Re: Question regarding simulating double tap and hold using Bluetooth Keyboard

[William James]

The only thing I found in the commands for the regular bluetooth keyboardis shift plus M.  Use the VO modifier in conjunction with that key.  Hold them down and see if that will do what you want.Sent from my iPhone Pro MaxOn May 8, 2024, at 11:07 AM, Manan Trivedi  wrote:Dear all. Let me start by Thanking you all for running or contributing to this useful list. My question is what keyboard command to use to simulate double tap and hold. For instance, to record a voice message on Whatsapp, you have to double tap and hold. When you are done recording your message, you release to send the message. I found no way to achieve this using bluetooth keyboard. I will appreciate some solution.ThanksMT Sent from my iPhoneOn Apr 26, 2024, at 12:44 PM, Flor Lynch  wrote:

  

  
  
 That's a WhatsApp number, BTW. If calling from outside of
  Ireland, you would prefix that number with the country code of
  00353.


On 4/26/2024 4:10 PM, Richard Turner wrote:

  
  
  
  
  
For
those not subscribed to David’s list, here is a good tip for
those who use Google Maps in case you had not discovered
it.  
From
David Goldfield’s Tech-VI list:
From: tech...@groups.io tech...@groups.io On
  Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2024 4:51 AM
Subject: [Tech-VI] How to Turn on Detailed Voice
Guidance for Vision Impaired Users in Google Maps
 
Vision Ireland - Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 4:30 PM
How to Turn on Detailed Voice Guidance for Vision Impaired
  Users in Google Maps

by
  Joe Lonergan
Detailed Voice Guidance is not a new feature, but it is not
  well known and is hidden deep in the settings of Google Maps.
  If you are a fan of Google Maps, we think it is a good feature
  to turn on for a vision-impaired or blind user.
Detailed Voice Guidance expands the existing walking
  directions guidance with several extra elements. The
  directions are more proactive so that if you take a wrong
  turn, the vocal guide will tell you and find the best way to
  your destination from your new point. Along the way, it will
  tell you not only where to turn, but how far away it is and in
  what direction you are facing, and the vocal guide will also
  alert you before reaching busy intersections.
So how do
  we turn on this detailed navigation feature?

  Open
Google Maps
  Navigate
to Account and Settings, If you are a VoiceOver user you
will find it by flicking left and it is the first option you
will hear.
  While
in here go to Settings.
  Now
go to Navigation
  Flick
to the right all the way down until you get to detailed
Voice Guidance and turn it on

We love to hear software companies adding features like this
  into universal or mainstream apps as it is easier to use one
  app to get most of your information and gives the user more
  freedom and confidence.
If you are a user of Google Maps and you have turned on this
  feature we would like to hear if you found the extra
  navigation voice cues help to get to your final destination or
  if you are a user of any other navigation or mobility apps
  like Soundscape or Apple Maps we would love to hear which you
  find best and why?
You can send a voice note to the Talking Technology WhatsApp
  number 086 199 0011 and we can play it on the show.
https://vi.ie/how-to-turn-on-detailed-voice-guidance-for-vision-impaired-users-in-google-maps/
 
 
 
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Re: Using Chat GPT, and other Apss

[William James]

It was problematic early on, but as this has matured, so has the hallucinations or lector of.Sent from my iPhone Pro MaxOn Apr 14, 2024, at 2:21 PM, Brandon Olivares  wrote:







I will warn you that Chat-GPT can sometimes hallucinate. What this means is that it will simply make up information it doesn’t know. So while your conversation seems very detailed and helpful, I would not
 trust it entirely, because Chat-GPT is known to just make up stuff sometimes. And it will tell you about it very confidently.
 
Brandon
 



From:
viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of wiljame...@gmail.com 
Date: Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 2:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Using Chat GPT, and other Apss


There is a benefit for using ChatGPT.  Here is a dialog with me and it about the Augusta National Golf Club.  Keep in mind I have never seen the Augusta National, let alone set foot on it, even though I am
 from there.
 
You
I am visually impaired. I have never been to the Augusta national, so describe the layout of the chorus and the holes to me!
ChatGPT
The Augusta National Golf Club, home of the Masters Tournament, is renowned for its stunning layout. The course features a hilly terrain with lush green fairways and beautiful azalea-lined pathways.
The front nine holes wind through the Georgia pines, starting with the relatively short par-4 first hole and leading to the iconic par-3 12th hole, known as "Golden Bell," which requires a precise tee shot
 over Rae's Creek to a narrow green.
The back nine is known for its challenging closing stretch, including the famous par-5 13th hole, named "Azalea," which offers players a risk-reward opportunity for eagle or birdie. The par-4 18th hole, "Holly,"
 demands accuracy off the tee to avoid the fairway bunkers and sets up a dramatic approach shot to the elevated green.
Overall, Augusta National's layout is characterized by its strategic bunkering, undulating greens, and picturesque water hazards, providing a challenging yet picturesque test for the world's best golfers.
 
You
Tell me about Amen Corner from Augusta National.
ChatGPT
Amen Corner is one of the most famous stretches of holes at Augusta National Golf Club, specifically holes 11, 12, and 13. This iconic trio of holes begins with the par-4 11th, named "White Dogwood," which
 features a narrow tee shot and an approach to a green guarded by a pond on the left. Then comes the legendary par-3 12th, known as "Golden Bell," where players must navigate a tee shot over Rae's Creek to a small, undulating green protected by bunkers. Finally,
 the stretch concludes with the par-5 13th, named "Azalea," which offers a chance for players to make up ground with a well-placed tee shot followed by a strategic approach over Rae's Creek to an elevated green.
Amen Corner gained its name from Herbert Warren Wind, a golf writer, who coined the term in a 1958 Sports Illustrated article. The name stuck, and today Amen Corner is synonymous with one of the most challenging
 and picturesque parts of Augusta National, where many pivotal moments in the Masters Tournament have unfolded over the years.
 
You
Describe the other holes to me.
ChatGPT
Certainly! At Augusta National Golf Club, each hole has its own unique characteristics and challenges. Here's a brief overview of the remaining holes:
1.
Hole 1 - Tea Olive: A relatively short par-4 with a wide fairway but guarded by bunkers on both sides. It's a gentle start to the round.
2.
Hole 2 - Pink Dogwood: A longer par-5 with a dogleg left. Players must navigate bunkers and trees to reach the green in regulation.
3.
Hole 3 - Flowering Peach: A medium-length par-4 with a fairway that slopes from right to left. The green is protected by bunkers and requires an accurate approach.
4.
Hole 4 - Flowering Crab Apple: Another par-3, this hole features a large, undulating green guarded by deep bunkers. Accuracy is key off the tee.
5.
Hole 5 - Magnolia: A challenging par-4 with a narrow fairway and trees lining both sides. The green is elevated and sloped, making approach shots difficult.
6.
Hole 6 - Juniper: A long par-3 with a deep bunker guarding the front of the green. It requires a precise tee shot to avoid trouble.
7.
Hole 7 - Pampas: A dogleg right par-4 with a fairway that slopes from left to right. Bunkers and trees come into play on both the tee shot and approach.
8.
Hole 8 - Yellow Jasmine: A shorter par-5 with a slight dogleg left. Big hitters have a chance to reach the green in two, but bunkers and a creek guard the approach.
9.
Hole 9 - Carolina Cherry: A challenging uphill par-4 with a narrow fairway and bunkers strategically placed along the landing area. The green is elevated and sloped, making it tough to hold approach shots.
Each of these holes presents its own set of challenges, requiring strategic thinking and precise execution to navigate successfully.
 
You
What about the rest of the nine holes?
ChatGPT
Sure, let's continue with the description of the remaining holes 

Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream

[William James]

In wilthis house, that would be $120 a year.  Maybe we can pull it off.  Time will tell.  I do agree that it is worth $60, no doubt.Sent from my iPad Air 5On Mar 26, 2024, at 12:14 AM, Marco Curralejo  wrote:Lots of complaining on this I’ve got to say. Simple solution, if you don’t want to pay, go and find some other app that fits your needs. If you do, continue to enjoy using an app that works mostly flawlessly and certainly is, in my opinion, worth the $60 per year. Cheers, Marco From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua HendricksonSent: Monday, March 25, 2024 9:11 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream I can’t believe all this negative talk about not wanting to pay $60 per year for voice dream reader. For me, it is one of the best apps out there for reading both ebooks and audio content. I’ll tell you all some of the recent changes the new owners have done for us all. They have recently allowed audio files in M4a format to  properly. When you want to change a reading voice for a bookshare book, you now have a search option  quickly find the voice you want. You also don’t have to pay for these voices either. You did have to pay around $5 per voice before. So please stop complaining and pay the $60 per year if you can. If people pay the money, think of how much better the app will be. I’ve pcht a lot of time into putting audio books and audio dramas on voice dream reader with iTunes to not pay the $60 price. When we found out that voice dream reader might be charging a subscripttion fee this shouldn’t be a surprise !o anyone. So please if you can, pay the $60!!!Sent from My totally awesome iPhone!!On Mar 25, 2024, at 10:01 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:Thanks for the clarification. I never get audiobooks from books share, so book player I don’t care. Kind of sucks. I still think I should be able to download stuff as long as I don’t try to upgrade. You can always do that with everything else. If I have an apple device for instance, and it’s not getting updates anymore I can still use it. This kind of stinks from that aspect. They shouldn’t cut us off from being able to download anything from Bookshare because we don’t want to pay. What if we don’t give a good bloody damn about whatever they think they’re going to implement that we’re going to pay for.  I’m not happy about that. But it’s the best thing out there so far. God knows the garbage from speech central doesn’t get it done. It’s too bad. Sent from my iPhoneOn Mar 25, 2024, at 7:53 PM, William James <wiljame...@gmail.com> wrote:BookPlayer is an audio only player.  It plays zipped files, MP3,  M4A, and M4B.  You can get it from the following link. BookPlayerPlays M4B/M4A/MP3 audiobooks Sent from my iPad Air 5On Mar 25, 2024, at 7:59 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:I tend to agree with you, Richard. What is book player if you know? I had never heard of bookplayer app. There is no way I’m going to speech Central. It’s just too clunky. If he did what he’s been asked to do and implemented an easy way to download bookshare books right through the app, Then I would possibly reconsider. But I don’t give two figures for all that fancy Voice stuff he’s doing. I’m perfectly happy with what I have now.Mary Sent from my iPhoneOn Mar 25, 2024, at 4:41 PM, Richard Turner <richardr_tur...@comcast.net> wrote:I have not updated today.But, if anyone wants to go back and look at what Winston Chen had said when he sold Voice Dream LLC., he made it clear that he would have had to begin charging a subscription to be able to maintain development and he had already started the Mac version as a subscription.$59 a year seems perfectly reasonable to me if you want the app to continue.You can always dump it for DAISY Easy Reader or Speech Central and deal with much harder interfaces and keep it free… Richard, USA"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to 

Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream

[William James]

Believe me, I fully understand and don't blame the developers from implementing something we knew was coming.  Guess what?  I gotta eat too!Sent from my iPad Air 5On Mar 25, 2024, at 8:24 PM, sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com wrote:Developers have to eat too. They should get paid. From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cristóbal MuñozSent: Monday, March 25, 2024 7:05 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream So I opened up the app again and got the banner at the bottom of the screen. Not sure if I’ll sign onto the $60, but honestly, I more than got my money’s worth and then some for this app if this is the case. I believe BookPlayer also has an in-app payment option for cloud storage and syncing. For some folks, the 60 bucks for VDR might even be worth it as you can use just one app for both eBooks and audiobooks. Everyone knows their own budget though.Cristóbal From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary OttenSent: Monday, March 25, 2024 4:59 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream I tend to agree with you, Richard. What is book player if you know? I had never heard of bookplayer app. There is no way I’m going to speech Central. It’s just too clunky. If he did what he’s been asked to do and implemented an easy way to download bookshare books right through the app, Then I would possibly reconsider. But I don’t give two figures for all that fancy Voice stuff he’s doing. I’m perfectly happy with what I have now.Mary Sent from my iPhoneOn Mar 25, 2024, at 4:41 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:I have not updated today.But, if anyone wants to go back and look at what Winston Chen had said when he sold Voice Dream LLC., he made it clear that he would have had to begin charging a subscription to be able to maintain development and he had already started the Mac version as a subscription.$59 a year seems perfectly reasonable to me if you want the app to continue.You can always dump it for DAISY Easy Reader or Speech Central and deal with much harder interfaces and keep it free… Richard, USA"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/008e01da7f0d%24e3f975d0%24abec6170%24%40comcast.net.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/64CDE085-7D79-41B2-B513-4EE91B1DF9A1%40gmail.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails 

Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream

[William James]

All I saw was a blurb about a price change.  I'll wait and see.  If I don't like it, BookPlayer, here I come!  I'll miss the syncing between my phone and iPad, but I don't get that with ARD now.  I'll adjust.Sent from my iPad Air 5On Mar 25, 2024, at 5:35 PM, Dan  wrote:

  

  
  
Well, for me I was a one time payment
person.  No subscription here.

  
dan Beaver
  
Dan Beaver (KA4DAN) USA
On 3/25/2024 5:14 PM, Cristóbal Muñoz
  wrote:


  
  
I don’t know if it’s been stated, but for
  those who received that message, were you one time purchasers
  or already on the subscription based model?  I got the VDR
  update too, but no such banner or at least not yet. I bought
  the app way back in 2011 or 2012 and have certainly gotten my
  money’s worth. 
There’s an alternative app called Bookplayer which is very
  accessible. 
You can always use Apple’s native book app
  for eBooks and Kindle even supports ePub files now.
 
 

  Cristóbal

 

  
From: viphone@googlegroups.com
   On Behalf Of Dan
  Sent: Monday, March 25, 2024 1:47 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream
  

 
I updated and when the notice came up in the app I
clicked on the learn more thing at the bottom of the screen
and the announcement went away and it did not take me
anywhere I could learn more, it just wen back to the list of
books I have.
 
Not impressed.
 
Dan Beaver
Dan Beaver (KA4DAN) USA

  On 3/25/2024 4:30 PM, Peggy Kane wrote:


   
  

  Peggy Sent from my i phone☺️

  
  

  


  On Mar 25, 2024, at 4:27 PM, leobado1...@gmail.com
wrote:

  
  

  Where did you receive this message?
 I updated VDR today, and a window popped up saying
something about a price change, but didn't get to read
in more detail because It got closed before I could do
something.

Cheers,
Leo Bado.

I have found both freedom of loneliness and the safety
from being understood, for those who understand us
enslave something in us.
Khalil Gibran.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com

On Behalf Of regina alvarado
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2024 2:17 PM
To: Viphone 
Subject: Making everyone pay for voice dream

Just received a message voice dream is going to cost 59
dollars a year now. A pet peeve of mine is everything
requires a subscription. I see nothing in there reasons
for this that affects me. So, nice I had it for so long.
It was a wonderful app, but I am done with it. As with
MBraille I was one of the first to buy it for I think 5
dollars. Makes me want to cry to lose it, but much more
important places to put my money. On Social Security
with a guide dog and so guess it goes away. Still want
to cry after all the books from Bookshare it has read to
me.  

Reggie Alvarado 

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Re: Question about Gmail?

[William James]

You know what they say, if it ain't broke, don't fix it!



Sent from my iPad Air 5

> On Mar 21, 2024, at 8:56 PM, Michael Irons  wrote:
> 
> Hello everybody I am running latest version of iOS 16 in the SE 202 second 
> edition. I was just wondering is the native mail app the best way to manage 
> and use Gmail. I’m using the native mail app right now and everything seems 
> to be OK. Just wondering if I might be better off if I got the actual Gmail 
> app? it seems like everything seems to work out OK at this point. Just 
> wondering what y’all might think.
> 
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Re: What Navigation App Are You Using These Days?

[William James]

Voice vista is another good one.  It is similar to SoundScape Community.

Sent from my iPhone Pro Max

> On Mar 9, 2024, at 12:16 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> I too like Google Maps and use it the most when navigating for a driver.
> What I really like about it over Apple Maps is that you can do a route 
> walk-through quite easily.
> But, it is only a turn-by-turn program, it doesn't tell you about the streets 
> you are crossing, etc.  That is where something like GoodMaps Outdoors, or 
> some of the other GPS apps with blindness in mind are helpful.
> BlindSquare does a nice job of this, but it is $39.99.  And the BlindSquare 
> database for points of interest may not be updated as often, though I think 
> that will change in time.  
> 
> Remember, GoodMaps Outdoors is the same as the Sendero GPS only free instead 
> of a few hundred dollars that it had cost when it first came out and later a 
> couple hundred when AIRA bought it.  Then, they basically gave it to the APH 
> connected GoodMaps group where Mike May is now working.  Mike had been the 
> founder of Sendero and prime mover behind Sendero GPS and what came before.  
> He is the true pioneer in navigation systems for the blind.
> 
> 
> 
> Richard, USA
> "At the moment of commitment, the universe conspires to assist you."
> -- Wolfgang Von Goethe
> 
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
> 
> Microsoft Windows Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.3155)
> JAWS version 2024.2403.3
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike 
> Arrigo
> Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2024 9:03 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: What Navigation App Are You Using These Days?
> 
> Nearby Explorer was definitely the best GPS app for getting location 
> information. It’s a shame that development of that app was discontinued. I 
> would say the two best apps for that now are Blindsquare and Good Maps 
> Outdoors. For navigation I think Google Maps is one of the best choices.
> 
>> On Mar 8, 2024, at 1:29 PM, Joe Orozco  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> What navigation/GPS apps are you using these days?
>> 
>> I tried Lazarillo and didn’t find it as good as I’d remembered when it
>> first came out. That’s purely subjective. I felt the directions and
>> general awareness weren’t consistent, but again, just a me thing.
>> 
>> I tried VoiceVista and did not find it quite as good as I’d remembered
>> SoundScape.
>> 
>> I’m going to keep working with both apps, because I’m convinced it’s
>> just me quickly opening apps when I need them in the moment and not
>> necessarily exploring them when I have a little more time to
>> familiarize myself with the interface.
>> 
>> I like Google Maps and the native Maps app, the former slightly more
>> for its ability to tell me if the destination is on the left or right,
>> but I feel as though I have to supplement these with a third party app
>> to get a more complete experience. In my opinion, nothing compares to
>> Nearby Explorer, but I’m working with blind students who would ideally
>> get the right navigation app at little or no cost.
>> 
>> Thank you kindly in advance for your recommendations and explanation
>> for what makes your navigation app the best one in your opinion.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Joe
>> 
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Re: Of-topic question - Blindtech mailing list

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It’s all good Sieghard!  No problem! LOL!  Best I can do since I can’t get emojis on this bluetooth keyboard.Sent from my iPhone Pro MaxOn Feb 5, 2024, at 1:44 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:







And I should have put a 
藍 or  emoji after it because I meant my comment not in a negative way, was just bugging you.
 


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But by saying “The knothead who ran the list” you do in fact say quite a lot.
 


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The knothead who ran the list all of a sudden shut down the list and deleted over 20 years of archives.  I could say more, but my mom told me if you don't have anything nice to say, say nothing at all!

 


 


Sent from my iPhone Pro Max


 

On Feb 3, 2024, at 2:43 PM, Richard <richard.pe...@earthlink.net> wrote:





Don’t know if the list is still operated. Try googleing the name and see if there’s a page or other information about the list.
 


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Hello all,
please, sory for off-topic question, but I don't know where to ask and many people who are on this list are on other lists, so I might find info here.
    I used to be a member of "Blindtech" list and it was pretty active, but all of a sudden I stopped getting mails from the list and when I tried to post a question, it says the group is not available any more.
Please, does anyone know what happened and if there is any other list where general questions about technology can be posted?
I liked Blindtech, it has helped me with many things.
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Re: Of-topic question - Blindtech mailing list

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The knothead who ran the list all of a sudden shut down the list and deleted over 20 years of archives.  I could say more, but my mom told me if you don't have anything nice to say, say nothing at all!Sent from my iPhone Pro MaxOn Feb 3, 2024, at 2:43 PM, Richard  wrote:Don’t know if the list is still operated. Try googleing the name and see if there’s a page or other information about the list. From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mária OrovcíkováSent: Friday, February 2, 2024 5:59 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Of-topic question - Blindtech mailing list Hello all,please, sory for off-topic question, but I don't know where to ask and many people who are on this list are on other lists, so I might find info here.    I used to be a member of "Blindtech" list and it was pretty active, but all of a sudden I stopped getting mails from the list and when I tried to post a question, it says the group is not available any more.Please, does anyone know what happened and if there is any other list where general questions about technology can be posted?I liked Blindtech, it has helped me with many things.If you have more info, please write me at:maria.orovcik...@gmail.comJust to avoid off-topic discussion here.Thanks.Maria-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/c516620d-a99a-4516-8a42-4ace5d346e11%40gmail.com.



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Re: Uber Eats issue

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Not a problem!  When in doubt, Google is your friend!


Sent from my iPad Air 5

> On Jan 30, 2024, at 12:09 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Thank you, William.
> 
> This is great info.  I did not know they had a customer service number.
> 
> Mark
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> William James
> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2024 8:56 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Uber Eats issue
> 
> In adition to the help button, store this number in your contact.  Denise and 
> I have had to call Uber Eats and were very satisfied with the results.
> 
> Ubereats Customer Service Phone Number (800) 253-9377
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad Air 5
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> 
> On Jan 29, 2024, at 11:36 PM, Matt White <mailto:mbwh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> If you get into your order status, there is a help button for each order. If 
> you click on that, it’ll walk you through a form where you can select issues 
> like the order never arrived. They will most likely just issue you a refund.
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Jan 29, 2024, at 22:29, mailto:billoutman...@gmail.com wrote:
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> Hello, list.  
> I had a mishap occur earlier this evening I have never experienced, and 
> wonder what additional steps I need to take.  
> I put in a McDonald’s order but the driver never showed, and despite repeated 
> attempts I could not connect with her.  So I rated her thumbs down and 
> selected a couple options for problems, but they didn’t really fit.  
> I put in a second order, the same one I had intended, a bit later, and it 
> came.  I discussed with the fellow what had happened, and he didn’t have any 
> further advice other than what I had done and to contact Uber.  
> I am concerned about having a double charge when I only got the one order.  I 
> need to know the correct procedure to follow at this point.  
> 
> I have in the last wee already had to eat, quite literally, a pizza order 
> situation wherein I ended up with a double order because a call center messed 
> up and two orders got run when I was left on hold for taking my check card 
> number, and a second agent reran the order since we didn’t know the first one 
> had been sent.  At least then I had an overabundance that I could enjoy over 
> a couple days.  
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Re: Uber Eats issue

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In adition to the help button, store this number in your contact.  Denise and I have had to call Uber Eats and were very satisfied with the results. Ubereats Customer Service Phone Number (800) 253-9377Sent from my iPad Air 5On Jan 29, 2024, at 11:36 PM, Matt White  wrote:If you get into your order status, there is a help button for each order. If you click on that, it’ll walk you through a form where you can select issues like the order never arrived. They will most likely just issue you a refund.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 29, 2024, at 22:29, billoutman...@gmail.com wrote:Hello, list.  I had a mishap occur earlier this evening I have never experienced, and wonder what additional steps I need to take.  I put in a McDonald’s order but the driver never showed, and despite repeated attempts I could not connect with her.  So I rated her thumbs down and selected a couple options for problems, but they didn’t really fit.  I put in a second order, the same one I had intended, a bit later, and it came.  I discussed with the fellow what had happened, and he didn’t have any further advice other than what I had done and to contact Uber.  I am concerned about having a double charge when I only got the one order.  I need to know the correct procedure to follow at this point.   I have in the last wee already had to eat, quite literally, a pizza order situation wherein I ended up with a double order because a call center messed up and two orders got run when I was left on hold for taking my check card number, and a second agent reran the order since we didn’t know the first one had been sent.  At least then I had an overabundance that I could enjoy over a couple days.   Bill Outman  



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Re: Webex calling app on iPhone

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I use Digits from T-Mobile.  You can get an alternate number and forward your office line to Digits or any other number.  That is what I do for work.  I have a different ringtone for this line so I can answer appropriately.Sent from my iPhone Pro MaxOn Jan 16, 2024, at 10:59 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:







That is correct, but all you see is the recent calls and if you tap on a recent call entry in the Phone app which came from Whatsapp then the return call goes through Whatsapp. However, you cannot
 initiate a new Whatsapp call from the phone app unless you go through Contacts and I would certainly also want WebEx itself to be accessible if I had to use it. I use a VoIP service here in Canada which is from Telus, one of our large providers. They have
 their own app although they use Ringcentral for the underlying infrastructure and there are still plenty of reasons why I have to use the Telus BizConnect app which is the app they have, fortunately it is pretty accessible.
 


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Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2024 4:58 PM
To: Viphone 
Subject: Re: Webex calling app on iPhone


 
First I found Cisco WEBEx to be annoying on Macintosh computers, but that was not the question.

Most VOIP solutions  (FaceTime, Google Voice, Microsoft Teams, WhatsApp) integrate with the iPhone’s phone app. I can see all my WhatsApp and Teams calls in my phone app recent calls history and I can answer them with a two finger double
 tap or a press of my headphones button. So I would expect that WebEx should have this level of integration too.


Good Luck Jonathan Cohn 


 



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At work, we use Webex softphones on our laptops.  They have rolled out ability for us to request using a Webex app on our phones so we can make an receive work calls on our mobile phones as if we were at our laptops.   I’m wondering if
 anyone has used this app to know how accessible it is with Voiceover.    I can select another option to have calls just forward to my cell phone and not use the Webex app, but my manager has this and says there is no way to know if the call is a personal one
 or work related and there is no caller ID, so she ends up answering all calls.  Using the Webex app would provide better separation between work and personal and allow me to just log out when I don’t want to get work calls, but it may be cumbersome to get
 to calls quickly with voiceover.    
 
Robin on iPhone SE 2020 running latest IOS
 
 
 


 

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Re: Sirius app update improvements and observations

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I do like how they have all channels in the search tab.  If I want to browse the channels to see what’s on, I use All Channels.On Christmas Eve, Denise and I will be smoking some ribs and probably put Rock Bar on.  Love that channel!Sent from my iPhone Pro MaxOn Dec 22, 2023, at 5:42 PM, Ron Canazzi  wrote:
  

  
  
Hi Wayne,

I downloaded the update today and I am still confused. I am having a
great difficulty getting to the NFL play by play area. I keep
getting the last station played player open without playing and I
cannot get rid of it, even if I close the app and restart it.
On 12/22/2023 5:22 PM, Wayne Merritt
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Greetings.
  For the Sirius/XM app users on list, there was an update today
  which has some accessibility enhancements. After installing the
  update, I found headings showed up in different places within the
  app, such as on the Discover tab when navigating among sections of
  the screen. I also found headings on screens for channels I would
  like to listen to. Granted, I haven’t explored all parts of the
  app, and it will take some experimenting but this was a welcome
  surprise. Especially when so many people, including me, were upset
  with the recent major update which changed a lot of things and
  brought many unlabeled buttons. Sirius is my main source for NFL
  games, and I like their weekly countdown shows on the 80’s and
  90’s channels. I wish they gave us more of a traditional means of
  organizing favorites with the edit/done buttons and being able to
  reorder favorites with rodor actions. Oh well. Hopefully the app
  will continue to improve. There are a lot of things I really like
  about the main Sirius/XM app which one does not get from the more
  simplified StarPlayerX app.
  
  
  Happy Holidays,
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Re: Watch and stand hours

[William James]

It’s on page 4 but the data is not making any sense to me.  For example, I hear 
0 to 1 1800.  What the hell does that mean anyway?

Sent from my iPad Air 5

> On Dec 7, 2023, at 4:25 PM, tai.toma...@gmail.com wrote:
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> I agree and have the same question.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Traci 
> Duncan
> Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2023 4:07 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Watch and stand hours
> 
> Ugh, since the latest update, I do not like the fitness information. I use to 
> be able to tap my hours and it would open up to my day’s summery. I could 
> easily see if I still needed my stand for the current hour.
> 
> Is there an alternative way to find this information? Now, there are 6 pages 
> to flick through, and I still don’t find the current hours stand data.
> 
> Thank you,
> Traci
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Re: Microsoft’s Disability Answer Desk is now powered by Be My AI, the Artificial Intelligence Visual Assistant from Be My Eyes

[William James]

I would too, but you know as well as I do that having speech in the BIOS will never happen in our lifetimes.  AI is the way to go!Sent from my iPad Air 5On Nov 15, 2023, at 11:26 PM, Robert Doc Wright  wrote:






I'd rather have software to help in the bios.I'll 
admit that knowing what is on the screen is a benefit. I want to actually work 
as I normally do anywhere else.

  - Original Message - 
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  James 
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  Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2023 1:52 
  PM
  Subject: Re: Microsoft’s Disability 
  Answer Desk is now powered by Be My AI, the Artificial Intelligence Visual 
  Assistant from Be My Eyes
  
  
  I think this is very awesome to have!  I would love to see 
  if it would help me with a BIOS.  Now that would be ground-breaking for 
  sure!
  
  
  Get Outlook for 
  iOS
  

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  I'm not sure I want AI handling my Microsoft accessibility issues but at 
  least the below states a live person can be requested. Thought the list might 
  be interested in the below announcement. 
  
  Alan Lemly 
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From: Mike from Be My Eyes 
Date: November 15, 2023 at 
10:59:11 AM CSTTo: Alan Lemly 
Subject: Microsoft’s Disability 
Answer Desk is now powered by Be My AI, the Artificial Intelligence Visual 
Assistant from Be My EyesReply-To: 
no-re...@bemyeyes.com
  
 











Read it online


Hi Alan, We are excited to announce a 
new feature for Be My Eyes Specialized Help: Microsoft's Disability Answer 
Desk is now powered by Be My AI. The introduction of Be My AI to 
Microsoft’s offering on Be My Eyes opens the door to a revolutionary new way 
to get immediate assistance through Specialized Help. To visit Microsoft’s 
profile, open the Be My Eyes app, and navigate to Specialized Help. Here you 
can select “Technical” and click on Microsoft to open their profile on Be My 
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profile and ask any question through a text message! Blind users of Be My 
Eyes will always have the option to use traditional human conversations with 
a Microsoft agent. Whether you need to set up your new Microsoft 
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AI-Powered Disability Answer Desk can assist you with a number of tasks. 
This new service from Microsoft on Be My Eyes is available to all iOS users 
and is coming soon for Android devices. You can reach out to Microsoft’s 
AI-Powered Disability Answer 24/7 from over 150 countries worldwide. The 
service is currently available in English. You can learn more about 
Microsoft’s AI-Powered Disability Answer Desk on our new blog post Introducing 
Microsoft's AI-Powered Disability Answer Desk on Be My Eyes PS: 
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Re: xm radio app

[William James]

If you like rock from the 60' through today, give Rock Bar a shot.  Channel 713 
is where it' at.
 Sent from my iPad Air 5

> On Nov 15, 2023, at 10:01 AM, Rhonda Hornbacher  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> I am becoming more familiar with the regular app. I will purchase the paid 
> app also for ease of use.
> 
> Thanks for all assistance,
> R
> 
>> On Nov 14, 2023, at 8:29 PM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> The only place I've found a search is on the recently played items tab.
>> It doesn't seem limited to stuff you have already played.
>> 
>> Richard, USA
>> ——
>> "While striving for perfection, let us do what is possible." — John Wesley
>> (Sent from my iPhone)
>> 
 On Nov 14, 2023, at 5:19 PM, Amy rule  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello all,
>>> I can use the app without any problem, except that I am unable to find any 
>>> way to search. Anybody know where that edit field is, if it exists? Thanks.
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Nov 14, 2023, at 1:15 PM, Andy Baracco  wrote:
 
 I use the Sirius XM app on a daily basis with no issues.
 
 Andy
 
 - Original Message - From: "Rhonda Hornbacher" 
 
 To: 
 Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2023 5:47 AM
 Subject: xm radio app
 
 
> .
> 
> Is there a more user friendly app I can use to access xm radio content? 
> If so, what is the name of this app.
> 
> Thanks so much,
> Hi friends,
> 
> I find the xm radio app on my phone to be nonintuitive
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Re: Microsoft’s Disability Answer Desk is now powered by Be My AI, the Artificial Intelligence Visual Assistant from Be My Eyes

[William James]

I think this is very awesome to have!  I would love to see if it would help me 
with a BIOS.  Now that would be ground-breaking for sure!


Get Outlook for iOS

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Alan 
Lemly 
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2023 12:45:16 PM
To: VIPhone Email List 
Subject: Fwd: Microsoft’s Disability Answer Desk is now powered by Be My AI, 
the Artificial Intelligence Visual Assistant from Be My Eyes

I'm not sure I want AI handling my Microsoft accessibility issues but at least 
the below states a live person can be requested. Thought the list might be 
interested in the below announcement.

Alan Lemly
Sent from my iPhone

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From: Mike from Be My Eyes 
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Read it online

Hi Alan,

We are excited to announce a new feature for Be My Eyes Specialized Help: 
Microsoft's Disability Answer Desk is now powered by Be My AI.

The introduction of Be My AI to Microsoft’s offering on Be My Eyes opens the 
door to a revolutionary new way to get immediate assistance through Specialized 
Help. To visit Microsoft’s profile, open the Be My Eyes app, and navigate to 
Specialized Help. Here you can select “Technical” and click on Microsoft to 
open their profile on Be My Eyes. You can now tap on the new “Chat with Be My 
AI” button on Microsoft’s profile and ask any question through a text message! 
Blind users of Be My Eyes will always have the option to use traditional human 
conversations with a Microsoft agent.

Whether you need to set up your new Microsoft account, reboot your laptop, or 
install and update software, Microsoft’s AI-Powered Disability Answer Desk can 
assist you with a number of tasks. This new service from Microsoft on Be My 
Eyes is available to all iOS users and is coming soon for Android devices. You 
can reach out to Microsoft’s AI-Powered Disability Answer 24/7 from over 150 
countries worldwide. The service is currently available in English.

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Re: Apple news, crossword puzzles

[William James]

Hi Kelly and all,

I just got finished submitting a bug report on Feedback.  I was hoping 
VoiceOver support would be better in iOS 17.2 Beta 2, but it’s the same as Beta 
1.  Feel free to add to my report.  Vital info below.

FB13355076 (Lack of the ability to edit clues in Crosswords in News App)

Spread far and wide!  I do not know of another app or service that gave us the 
access we had in iOS 17.0 and iOS 17.1.

Sent from my iPad Air 5

> On Nov 8, 2023, at 11:49 PM, Kelly Ford  wrote:
> 
> I have had a bit of success and also spoke to Apple support.
> 
> So far the best I can determine, you will have the best success by switching 
> this game into list-view and then swiping through the clues double tapping on 
> the one you want to enter text for. You will not get any indication that you 
> are editing that clue. Also, if you delete letters, they are not announced.
> 
> Kelly
> 
>> On Nov 8, 2023, at 10:08 PM, Kelly Ford  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> When I updated my iPhone, it came with a three month subscription to Apple 
>> news. Tonight I noticed they added crossword puzzles, but I’m wondering if 
>> anyone has figured out how to play these with voiceover?
>> 
>> When you play a game, if you tap on a button called list view, you can step 
>> through the different clues and hear how many blanks there are  but for 
>> example, I found no way to properly enter letters.
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Re: A Question for those who have updated to iOS 17.1: Regarding Apple Music Song Lyrics and the new News Plus Crossword Puzzle Games

[William James]

You get two new puzzles every day.  One is a mini puzzle that usually has five or six clues across and same for down.  The number of squares range from three to five.  You also have a regular puzzle like you would find elsewhere online.  The puzzles stay, so you can come back and solve them at your leisure.  You can also switch from your phone to your iPad and pick up your puzzle where you left off.  You need to tell your device you want to sync your progress.Sent from my iPad Air 5On Nov 1, 2023, at 10:45 AM, paekstr...@gmail.com wrote:Thanks.  Does it come with a preset number of puzzles, or are new ones supplied weekly or something?   From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of William JamesSent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 11:50 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: A Question for those who have updated to iOS 17.1: Regarding Apple Music Song Lyrics and the new News Plus Crossword Puzzle Games That is correct.  Apple News Plus is where you can find the accessible crossword puzzles.  I believe you can get a trial for a month.  I recently got this iPad Air 5 so I got three months free.  If you are with Verizon, I think they may have some offerings for Apple’s subscription services.  Check with them.Sent from my iPad Air 5On Oct 31, 2023, at 10:28 AM, Richard Turner  wrote:He mentioned News Plus, which is the Apple News S\paid subscription.I don't subscribe so am just basing that on the use of the name "News Plus."Richard, USA.“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the UniverseMy web site: https://www.turner42.com-Original Message-From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of paekstr...@gmail.comSent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 7:08 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: A Question for those who have updated to iOS 17.1: Regarding Apple Music Song Lyrics and the new News Plus Crossword Puzzle GamesDo you have a link for the accessible crossword puzzles?  I can't seem to find it.Thanks,Pam-Original Message-From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of William JamesSent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 12:43 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: A Question for those who have updated to iOS 17.1: Regarding Apple Music Song Lyrics and the new News Plus Crossword Puzzle GamesHi Mark,I can answer your second question.VoiceOver works really well with the crossword puzzles.  At least in 17.1, they worked really good.  I have filed a bug report with iOS 17.2 already so hopefully it will get fixed.I recommend choosing list view.  This way you can get at the clues easier than you can in grid view.  VoiceOver will let you go from one space to another by swiping to the right.  For example, if you have a clue that has four letters, you will actually see five spaces instead of four.  The first one lets you solve the word by typing it in.  If you need to correct a letter, You can swipe to that letter you want to correct and double tap on it and replace it with the letter you meant to type in.You have crossword mini and a full crossword.  The New York Times is cheaper than Apple News Plus, but last I checked, it was not accessible.Hope this helps.Sent from my iPad Air 5On Oct 29, 2023, at 7:33 PM, M. Taylor  wrote: Hello Everyone, So, to those of you who have updated to 17.1: 1.Does VoiceOver now automatically read the lyrics to a song as the song is played? 2.Has anyone played the new News Plus crossword puzzle and, if so, were you able to make any sense of how the puzzle is solved? This is the first time, in many years, that I want to update to the latest iOS but am holding off do so because of the continuing issues that have been reported.  At some point, I will just have to take the plunge but for now ... Perhaps 17.2 will fix some VO bugs. All replies greatly appreciated. Mark  --The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/---You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/003c01da0ac0%2460796ce0%24216c46a0%24%40gmail.com.--The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of 

Re: A Question for those who have updated to iOS 17.1: Regarding Apple Music Song Lyrics and the new News Plus Crossword Puzzle Games

[William James]

That is correct.  Apple News Plus is where you can find the accessible 
crossword puzzles.  I believe you can get a trial for a month.  I recently got 
this iPad Air 5 so I got three months free.  If you are with Verizon, I think 
they may have some offerings for Apple’s subscription services.  Check with 
them.

Sent from my iPad Air 5

> On Oct 31, 2023, at 10:28 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> He mentioned News Plus, which is the Apple News S\paid subscription.
> I don't subscribe so am just basing that on the use of the name "News Plus."
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard, USA.
> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
> --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
> 
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> paekstr...@gmail.com
> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 7:08 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: A Question for those who have updated to iOS 17.1: Regarding 
> Apple Music Song Lyrics and the new News Plus Crossword Puzzle Games
> 
> Do you have a link for the accessible crossword puzzles?  I can't seem to 
> find it.
> 
> Thanks,
> Pam
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> William James
> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 12:43 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: A Question for those who have updated to iOS 17.1: Regarding 
> Apple Music Song Lyrics and the new News Plus Crossword Puzzle Games
> 
> Hi Mark,
> 
> I can answer your second question.
> 
> VoiceOver works really well with the crossword puzzles.  At least in 17.1, 
> they worked really good.  I have filed a bug report with iOS 17.2 already so 
> hopefully it will get fixed.
> 
> I recommend choosing list view.  This way you can get at the clues easier 
> than you can in grid view.  VoiceOver will let you go from one space to 
> another by swiping to the right.  For example, if you have a clue that has 
> four letters, you will actually see five spaces instead of four.  The first 
> one lets you solve the word by typing it in.  If you need to correct a 
> letter, You can swipe to that letter you want to correct and double tap on it 
> and replace it with the letter you meant to type in.
> 
> You have crossword mini and a full crossword.  The New York Times is cheaper 
> than Apple News Plus, but last I checked, it was not accessible.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> Sent from my iPad Air 5
> 
>> On Oct 29, 2023, at 7:33 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Everyone,
>> 
>> So, to those of you who have updated to 17.1:
>> 
>> 1.
>> Does VoiceOver now automatically read the lyrics to a song as the song
>> is played?
>> 
>> 2.
>> Has anyone played the new News Plus crossword puzzle and, if so, were
>> you able to make any sense of how the puzzle is solved?
>> 
>> This is the first time, in many years, that I want to update to the
>> latest iOS but am holding off do so because of the continuing issues
>> that have been reported.  At some point, I will just have to take the
>> plunge but for now ...
>> 
>> Perhaps 17.2 will fix some VO bugs.
>> 
>> All replies greatly appreciated.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
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Re: A Question for those who have updated to iOS 17.1: Regarding Apple Music Song Lyrics and the new News Plus Crossword Puzzle Games

[William James]

Hi Mark,

I can answer your second question.

VoiceOver works really well with the crossword puzzles.  At least in 17.1, they 
worked really good.  I have filed a bug report with iOS 17.2 already so 
hopefully it will get fixed.

I recommend choosing list view.  This way you can get at the clues easier than 
you can in grid view.  VoiceOver will let you go from one space to another by 
swiping to the right.  For example, if you have a clue that has four letters, 
you will actually see five spaces instead of four.  The first one lets you 
solve the word by typing it in.  If you need to correct a letter, 
You can swipe to that letter you want to correct and double tap on it and 
replace it with the letter you meant to type in.

You have crossword mini and a full crossword.  The New York Times is cheaper 
than Apple News Plus, but last I checked, it was not accessible.

Hope this helps.
Sent from my iPad Air 5

> On Oct 29, 2023, at 7:33 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> So, to those of you who have updated to 17.1:
> 
> 1.
> Does VoiceOver now automatically read the lyrics to a song as the song is
> played?
> 
> 2.
> Has anyone played the new News Plus crossword puzzle and, if so, were you
> able to make any sense of how the puzzle is solved?
> 
> This is the first time, in many years, that I want to update to the latest
> iOS but am holding off do so because of the continuing issues that have been
> reported.  At some point, I will just have to take the plunge but for now
> ...
> 
> Perhaps 17.2 will fix some VO bugs.
> 
> All replies greatly appreciated.
> 
> Mark
> 
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Re: Question: Is Anyone Using two eSIM Cards in an iPhone?

[William James]

I have an iPhone from T-Mobile.  Yes, it is locked but what I’ve done is use a 
service called Digits.  It is from T-Mobile and costs ten bucks a month.  I use 
this for my mobile number for my job.  I also use it to give out to those who I 
don’t want having my private number.

Sent from my iPad Air 5

> On Oct 19, 2023, at 2:40 PM, Carolyn Arnold <2carolynarn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> My phone was locked with AT, because of a deal that they offered on my 
> iPhone 14 Pro.
> 
> So, when I moved to a more rural area, and AT did not provide adequate 
> coverage, I had to change to Verizon, which involved:
> 
> 1. Paying off my 14 Pro.
> 2. Getting AT to unlock my phone.
> 3. Getting AT to give my phone number clearance for porting to Verizon.
> 
> It took about 24 to 48 hours for each step to be cleared, but I now have 
> Verizon with adequate coverage and good quality phone calls, which I did not 
> have here with AT
> 
> I will say that AT was very cooperative.
> 
> I got a text from Visa, wanting to make sure it was a valid withdrawal to pay 
> off the phone, and they asked three security questions:
> 
> Give my birth date in two digits.
> 
> Give the middle two digits of my Social Security Number
> 
> I forget the third security question, but I texted them all back 
> satisfactorily.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2023 12:42 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Question: Is Anyone Using two eSIM Cards in an iPhone?
> 
> Hello Kathy,
> 
> If you have a phone which is locked to AT then you will not be able to have 
> a second SIM in the phone from a different provider.
> I am in Canada, but do carriers in the United States even still lock phones 
> these days?
> Here in Canada that has been illegal for some years now and it's really a 
> mute point since a locked phone does nothing to force you to stay with one 
> carrier; contracts do that. If you buy an iPhone for example from AT and 
> you have a contract in place where you pay a certain amount each months to 
> pay off the phone, then you can't really leave that obligation whether the 
> phone is locked or not unless you paid out whatever balance is remaining.
> I also understood that even if you are in a contract of some sort in the past 
> and you had your phone for a certain amount of time, like 3 or 6 months, you 
> could then request for the phone to be unlocked. Locking phones is the most 
> ridiculous thing a carrier can do if they in fact still do it given how many 
> people want to travel these days and potentially use a SIM from a provider in 
> a different country for a few weeks.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kathy 
> Brandt
> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2023 9:19 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Cc: M. Taylor 
> Subject: Re: Question: Is Anyone Using two eSIM Cards in an iPhone?
> 
> I had asked yesterday: does the phone have to be unlocked in order for you to 
> use two cards like that?
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 19, 2023, at 11:27 AM, Cory Jackson  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I am currently using 2 ESims on my iPhone 14.
>> 
>> You can have them both active at once. They are from 2 different providers. 
>> You can program them both to ring differently and play different message 
>> alert tones. I can see both connections at the top.
>> 
>> It is working very well.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Cory Jackson
>> 
>> 
 On 10/18/2023 1:21 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
>>> Hello Everyone,
>>> 
>>> Is anyone currently using two eSIM cards on an iPhone?  You know,
>>> using one telephone number as a primary and a second number as a secondary 
>>> number?
>>> 
>>> If so, how is that working for you?
>>> 
>>> Also, If you do have 2 eSIM cards currently installed, are they from
>>> different wireless providers?
>>> 
>>> All replies greatly appreciated.
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Question re turning off voice over key clicks

[William James]

You will need to go to settings > Accessibility > VoiceOver > Sounds and 
Haptics.  You will want to turn off sounds from there and you should be good to 
go.



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Sent: Monday, October 16, 2023 9:45:56 PM
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Subject: Question re turning off voice over key clicks


Hi everyone:



This evening I reset all settings on my IPhone, I haven’t done  that in many 
years as I usually backed up my device and restored it to the new one. SO now I 
can’t  seem to figure out how to turn off the voiceover keyboard clicks and 
other voiceover clicks like when moving around the screen. ?? I can’t seem to 
find where to make these changes.



Thanks for your help



Kamal

Can

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Re: Please tell me how I put pictures in the main body of the email.

[William James]

Sorry i’m late to the party on this one.You simply tripple tap in the body of the e-mail to insert pictures, attachments, and other stuff in an e-mail message.  Think of it as right-clicking an e-mail to add stuff.Sent from my iPhone Pro MaxOn Sep 21, 2023, at 12:10 PM, Robert Doc Wright  wrote:






that was possible in Outlook express. I don't know 
if Outlook allows the insert iof pictures 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Jenny Bomareto 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2023 8:21 
  AM
  Subject: Re: Please tell me how I put 
  pictures in the main body of the email.
  Yes sir that’s what I’ve done. However, when I sent them the 
  way, you explained, the person that I sent them to said that the pictures I 
  sent could not be opened in the attachments, that’s why they were wanting it 
  in the main body of the email. Referring to like say I was writing a new email 
  when you go past subject than the picture would be. in that field.
  
  Thanks for reading regarding this 
  matter.Jenny Bomareto
  Sent from my iPhone
  
  On Sep 21, 2023, at 10:05 AM, John Panarese 
 wrote:
  
    I’m not sure what you are asking here. If the 
photos are in a text message, double tap on each image. There will be a 
Share option on the next screen. Choose, Mail, from there to attach the 
photo to an email message. This is, if I am understanding you correctly.


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  On Sep 21, 2023, at 9:53 AM, Jenny Bomareto 
   wrote:
  
  FYI, see below. This is regarding known how I put pictures in the 
  main body of an email.
  
  Thanks for reading regarding this 
  matter.Jenny Bomareto
  Sent from my 
  iPhone
  Begin forwarded message:
  
From: Jenny Bomareto 
Date: September 
20, 2023 at 9:22:55 AM EDTTo: 
viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Please tell me how I put 
pictures in the main body of the email.
  
The two pictures I want to send to someone there in the 
same text message, two different  pictures.

Thanks for reading regarding this 
matter.Jenny Bomareto
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Re: Deleting email in Outlook app

[William James]

On both my iPhone 12 Pro Max and iPad Air 5, I get the same behavior you do 
from Outlook.  I have already made a suggestion that we have an option to turn 
off this notification.  Hints are also off.  Outlook is the same version on 
both devices.  The os is the same.  Hopefully Microsoft will give us the 
opportunity to turn off that feature or it’s gonna drive me to drink!


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Kelly 
Ford 
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2023 12:32:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Deleting email in Outlook app

Hi,

So this is interesting. Using Microsoft outlook email app on my iPhone X, when 
I delete a message, I hear immediately message deleted a short pause, and then 
the next message to get focus in the message list starts to read.


On the iPhone 15 I have the same experience but shortly after the new message 
to gain focused starts to read, I am interrupted by another message, saying 
something about message deleted, shake to undo. It consistently interrupts the 
reading of the new message with focus.

Both phones are running the latest release of iOS 17.

As far as I know, all voice settings are the same on both phones.

Kelly



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Re: bug to shut-down ipad with physical keys

[William James]

If you have the iPad with no home button, you turn it off by pressing the power 
button and volume up button at the same time and hold them down until you hear 
the iPad say Power Off.  Let go and choose power off on the screen.  To turn it 
back on, hold down the power button for five seconds.

Hope this helps.


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Subject: bug to shut-down ipad with physical keys

Hi folks

Ios17.01 volume-up+down followed by the power or side key does nolonger
work; it simply locks the screen or in case of long press bring up siri.
Davy

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Re: Be my AI and pictures?

[William James]

It was professional in its response.  Yeah, true, I was nasty with it but it’s 
AI so it has no feelings.  Hahaha!  I’m normally a nice guy but sometimes I’m 
not and it shows as I age.


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of CHELA 
Robles 
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2023 7:11:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Be my AI and pictures?

Regarding the cupcakes and you’ve been nasty with being AI. I’m wondering what 
its response was after your nasty response to it. W Was it be nice? Lol!

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Ugg.

I took a picture of granola bars and stevia. Said faces in pictures. I closed 
and re-opened the app and fictures worked.



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James
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2023 1:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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There is apparently a Slack group for Be My AI but it is closed.  I wish it was 
open for us to peruse and report issues.





I’ll give you an example.



I took a picture of a box of cupcakes.  It told me there were faces and it 
could not tell me what it was.  I wasn’t too kind in my response.  I told it 
that this is a goddamn picture of food and to do better!



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> on behalf of 
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Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2023 1:58:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: Be my AI and pictures?



Hello,



There is quite a discussion about this on AppleVis.



The strange thing is that last week it began to describe photos and then 
stopped again.  Bing also will not describe photos so I think it is something 
to do with Open AI themselves.



I hope they can resolve it is it is an outstanding service quite unlike 
anything we’ve ever known!



Couple this with the fact that it is free it truly puts apps like SuperSense to 
shame!



Take a look at:







Introducing Be My Eyes' Virtual Volunteer: A Demonstration of Some Game 
Changing Real-World Use 
Cases<https://www.applevis.com/podcasts/introducing-be-my-eyes-virtual-volunteer-demonstration-some-game-changing-real-world-use>

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Malcolm Parfitt



On 16 Sep 2023, at 17:46, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net>> wrote:

I took a picture of myself and it gave a basic descrription of an elderly man 
with a white beard and mustache,  which is accurate. However, taking a picture 
of my wife, and she taking a picture of me, gave the blocked message, so I 
wrote to complain about that.


Richard, USA
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(Sent from my iPhone)



On Sep 16, 2023, at 8:00 AM, CHELA Robles 
mailto:cdrobles...@gmail.com>> wrote:



I’m getting the same thing and will report that to the support team.



Sent from my iPhone



On Sep 16, 2023, at 7:50 AM, 'Jerry Mader' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:



sorry guys. I was dictating boring is supposed to be bummed lol. Let me 
rewrite this email address for you because it didn't show up properly the last 
time. Here is the email address again to write into.

supp...@bemyeyes.com<mailto:supp...@bemyeyes.com>



On Sep 16, 2023, at 10:47 AM, Jerry Mader 
mailto:maderra...@icloud.com>> wrote:



I know it's kind of like taking away our site and then giving it back again 
and then taking it back away I don't blame you for being bummed because I think 
a lot of people are born. You guys should all write into support it be my 
eyes.com and let them know that you're angry about this but you want to think 
maybe they'll listen to you and fix it maybe they won't but at least you're 
letting them know. All reports work well. Always sending this much feedback as 
you can. A lot of people are angry with these people they really hurt people by 
doing that. Think about how I feel though. My mother just recently passed away 
and I can't even look at photos of what you look like now because they have 
removed the ability for us to see faces. This is very very sad. We should all 
be out raged because this is not the way that an AI should be for blind people 
it's very disrespectful and discriminatory.

Best regards.

Jerry Mader



On Sep 16, 2023, at 10:42 AM, Jenifer Barr 
mailto:claudas...@gmail.com>> wrote:



Hi everyo

Re: Be my AI and pictures?

[William James]

There is apparently a Slack group for Be My AI but it is closed.  I wish it was 
open for us to peruse and report issues.


I’ll give you an example.

I took a picture of a box of cupcakes.  It told me there were faces and it 
could not tell me what it was.  I wasn’t too kind in my response.  I told it 
that this is a goddamn picture of food and to do better!

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Malcolm 
Parfitt 
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2023 1:58:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Be my AI and pictures?

Hello,

There is quite a discussion about this on AppleVis.

The strange thing is that last week it began to describe photos and then 
stopped again.  Bing also will not describe photos so I think it is something 
to do with Open AI themselves.

I hope they can resolve it is it is an outstanding service quite unlike 
anything we’ve ever known!

Couple this with the fact that it is free it truly puts apps like SuperSense to 
shame!

Take a look at:




Introducing Be My Eyes' Virtual Volunteer: A Demonstration of Some Game 
Changing Real-World Use 
Cases
applevis.com
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Malcolm Parfitt

On 16 Sep 2023, at 17:46, Richard Turner  wrote:

I took a picture of myself and it gave a basic descrription of an elderly man 
with a white beard and mustache,  which is accurate. However, taking a picture 
of my wife, and she taking a picture of me, gave the blocked message, so I 
wrote to complain about that.


Richard, USA
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(Sent from my iPhone)

On Sep 16, 2023, at 8:00 AM, CHELA Robles  wrote:

I’m getting the same thing and will report that to the support team.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 16, 2023, at 7:50 AM, 'Jerry Mader' via VIPhone 
 wrote:

sorry guys. I was dictating boring is supposed to be bummed lol. Let me 
rewrite this email address for you because it didn't show up properly the last 
time. Here is the email address again to write into.
supp...@bemyeyes.com

On Sep 16, 2023, at 10:47 AM, Jerry Mader  wrote:

I know it's kind of like taking away our site and then giving it back again 
and then taking it back away I don't blame you for being bummed because I think 
a lot of people are born. You guys should all write into support it be my 
eyes.com and let them know that you're angry about this but you want to think 
maybe they'll listen to you and fix it maybe they won't but at least you're 
letting them know. All reports work well. Always sending this much feedback as 
you can. A lot of people are angry with these people they really hurt people by 
doing that. Think about how I feel though. My mother just recently passed away 
and I can't even look at photos of what you look like now because they have 
removed the ability for us to see faces. This is very very sad. We should all 
be out raged because this is not the way that an AI should be for blind people 
it's very disrespectful and discriminatory.
Best regards.
Jerry Mader

On Sep 16, 2023, at 10:42 AM, Jenifer Barr  wrote:

Hi everyone! I'm so bummed! Be my AI was doing so amazingly well in describing 
pictures... and now all of a sudden I'm getting a message saying that the 
picture has text that says: Be My AI: The image you provided is a placeholder 
image with text that reads "This image was blocked because it may contain faces 
or people." The text is centered and the background is light grey.
This is not true. Seeing AI described the pic but not in as much detail as be 
my AI did. I know this is a beta but wondering why all of a sudden it started 
doing this?
Sent from my iPhone

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Re: NLS E-reader

[William James]

I just put that I am in NC and we are still waiting on ours.  You could tell a white lie if you want, who’s gonna know?Sent from my iPhone Pro MaxOn Jul 23, 2023, at 7:12 AM, Robert Doc Wright  wrote:




I'm trying to join the group and I ran into 
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  Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2023 10:02 
  PM
  Subject: Re: NLS E-reader
  
  
  Robert, I have the email address to 2 people who work with NLS. 
  I'll ask them & see if I can get you an answer. Are you on Facebook? There 
  is a group on Facebook for the NLS braille E-Reader. The link to the group is 
  below, just in case.
  
  
  
  
  


  

  
  

  
  NLS braille E reader users
  facebook.com

  
  Donna
  
  
  
 



does anyone know of a email list for the 
E-reader? I tried going to NLS' site and joining theirs but I have yet to 
receive a response after two weeks.
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Re: Seeing AI.

[William James]

Hi Penny,You swipe with one finger up or down to the channel you want.  Once you have landed on the one you want, make VoiceOver’s focus be on something else like help, menu, ETC.  When you double tap the screen, your channel won’t change.Sent from my iPhone Pro MaxOn Jul 11, 2023, at 8:37 PM, Penny Reeder  wrote:I like Seeing AI when i can get it to work, but, often when i choose a channel with a double tap on a button whose label is exactly what i want, it switches immediately to a different channel. What m i doing wrong? If i tap on Short Text, how can i keep it from switching immediately to People? Thanks for your advice! Penny Sent from my iPhoneOn Jul 11, 2023, at 7:37 PM, Esther Levegnale  wrote:I love it as well! It's a wonderful app! EstherSent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!On Jul 11, 2023, at 6:09 PM, Carolyn Arnold <2carolynarn...@gmail.com> wrote:I finally did get it, and boy do I like it! -Original Message-From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Doc WrightSent: Tuesday, July 11, 2023 8:59 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Seeing AI.they are probably having the same problem I had. though the light detector was checked in settings it wasn't showing in the list. I had to DT it again and it appeared.- Original Message -From: "Sieghard Weitzel" To: Sent: Monday, July 10, 2023 11:53 PMSubject: RE: Seeing AI.What are all the channels  you do have?-Original Message-From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn ArnoldSent: Monday, July 10, 2023 6:01 PMTo: viPhone Subject: Seeing AI.Tonight, I tried finding Light Detector, and could not find it. I haven't used it, and now that I think about it, I think I'll try to see if there still is a video, where I can read about it. But, do any of you know just how I find stuff? I tried swiping up in Channel and kind of had an uncertain time of it and did not find Light Detector. Thanks for any help.--The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/---You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/09d501d9b393%2422ede240%2468c9a6c0%24%40gmail.com.--The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/---You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/PH7PR12MB5656CC3A04DFC0B24AE93FD1C731A%40PH7PR12MB5656.namprd12.prod.outlook.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/011b01d9b3f7%2471d79c70%247001a8c0%40HPDesktop.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list 

Re: Seeing AI.

[William James]

On my phone, Seeing AI has Light between handwriting and World Preview.  You 
use one finger to swipe up through the various channels of Seeing AI.


Sent from my iPhone Pro Max

> On Jul 10, 2023, at 9:00 PM, Carolyn Arnold <2carolynarn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Tonight, I tried finding Light Detector, and could not find
> it. I haven't used it, and now that I think about it, I
> think I'll try to see if there still is a video, where I can
> read about it. But, do any of you know just how I find
> stuff? I tried swiping up in Channel and kind of had an
> uncertain time of it and did not find Light Detector. Thanks
> for any help.
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Re: Question about calls, when you can't get access to the keypad

[William James]

It depends on how you have typing set up.  I have mine set to touch typing.  
This means when I find a letter or number, I lift my finger and the symbol is 
entered.  If you have typing set to standard, you have to double-tap the symbol.

I would make sure the phone is set to full screen.  This should eleviate your 
issue.


Sent from my iPhone Pro Max

> On Jun 10, 2023, at 12:43 PM, Carolyn Arnold <2carolynarn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> You have to double tap on the numbers you hit for the extension you need.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> John J. Fioravanti, Jr.
> Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2023 10:37 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Question about calls, when you can't get access to the keypad
> 
> Are you saying that just hitting the number once is not enough?
> 
> I don't think I've double tapped.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ari 
> Moisio
> Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2023 10:29 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Question about calls, when you can't get access to the keypad
> 
> Hello
> 
> Have you doubletapped after finding the number key?
> 
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>> Subject: RE: Question about calls, when you can't get access to the keypad
>> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2023 17:26:10
>> From: "John J. Fioravanti, Jr." 
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> 
>> Most of the time, when I make a call and am asked to push a number for an 
>> extension, the iPhone works fine; however, in a few instances, the caller 
>> requests me to push a number and I can't get to the keypad, it's not 
>> showing. If I go to the phone and get to the keypad and press a number, 
>> still nothing happens to complete the request  the caller is making?
>> 
>> Any help would be appreciated.
>> 
>> 
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Re: Soundscape back soon

[William James]

Testflight link or a recording please!



Sent from my iPhone Pro Max

> On May 29, 2023, at 12:54 PM, Lyne  wrote:
> 
> Hi Richard,
> I am the source! I already downloaded the bettaapp from the developers. 
> Sounds good?
> 
> Lyne
> 
>> Le 29 mai 2023 à 12:07, Richard Turner  a écrit 
>> :
>> 
>> I some how missed the first message in this thread from Lyne stating 
>> SoundScape could be back in July.  My question is, and this is always my 
>> question with statements like this, what is the source for saying it will be 
>> back?
>> 
>> Without a reliable source, this is just a useless rumor.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard, USA.
>> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.” 
>>  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
>> 
>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ben 
>> Mustill-Rose
>> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2023 8:34 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Soundscape back soon
>> 
>> Best of luck, but I'll believe it when I see it:
>> 
>> - Not all of the project has been opensourced, so the maintainer will either 
>> have to release an incomplete offering or handle all the fun politics around 
>> integrating a new data provider to patch up the gaps.
>> - As supplied, the infrastructure can't be spun up without modification.
>> - If the maintainer sticks with Azure or some other cloud provider I reckon 
>> you're easily looking at mid 4 figures a year, just on hosting the backend.
>> 
>> I think part of the problem here is that (in the UK at least) there really 
>> aren't that many blindness organizations big enough to take on the 
>> commitment of maintaining something like this, let alone that have the 
>> knowledge to do it properly. Obviously one solution to this is to just buy 
>> the skills in, but just to spin up a small iOS dev team you'd be looking at 
>> £300-350K in salary a year, not including all the additional costs of 
>> employing them. Such a shame.
>> 
 On 5/29/23, Lyne  wrote:
>>> Hello group,
>>> 
>>> If things go well, Soundscape should be back in AppStore around July.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Lyne
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Re: Is The Sirius XM App for iOS VoiceOver Accessible?

[William James]

Give the Xtra channels a go.  Classic Rock Barbecue is a favorite of mine, 
especially when smoking ribs for more than six hours.



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> On May 3, 2023, at 10:19 PM, Marco Curralejo  wrote:
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> Totally accessible. No dramas my end.
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> Marco
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> Yes, totally accessible…
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>> On May 3, 2023, at 6:14 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
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>> Hello Everyone,
>> 
>> Is the Sirius XM app for iOS currently VoiceOver accessible?  
>> 
>> I was thinking about subscribing to the service but then remembered 
>> that there may be problems so wanted to do a  quick gravity check, 
>> here before taking the plunge.
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>> All replies greatly appreciated.
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Re: Voice Dream Reader for IOS, yearly suscription?

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Agreed.  I expected something like what NLS Bard has, your history, your wishlist, ETC.  Nope, nada!Sent from my iPhone Pro MaxOn Apr 25, 2023, at 7:14 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:In my opinion, all those alternatives pale in comparison to VoiceDream Reader. Especially the new Bookshare Reader. I expected a much better app from them since they had a previous app that worked quite well. But this one is a joke.Richard, USA.“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John RuskinMy web site: https://www.turner42.comOn Apr 25, 2023, at 4:08 PM, Jody ianuzzi  wrote:Oh many apps of change models. There was one that was very expensive that is now free.I think one thing the new owner should realize is that there are free alternatives to voice dream reader. It is my favorite reading app but there’s also the dolphin the reader and Capt. and others. Bookshare has also just come out with their own reader which I’m sure will be better over time. JODYTo Boldly Go   thunderwalker...@gmail.com "What's within you is stronger than what's in your way."  NO BARRIERS  Erik WeihenmayerOn Apr 25, 2023, at 6:30 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:I am not a lawyer, but I suspect it is up to the owner what they do.However, I suspect that could be a huge PR problem. At this point, they do not plan to do that and they give no indication that they might.  I personally would have no issues if I had to subscribe.  I know for some people, that could be a difficult price to pay, but I think it is worth paying for. Richard, USA.“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Leo BadoSent: Tuesday, April 25, 2023 3:23 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: Voice Dream Reader for IOS, yearly suscription? Ok Richard, thanks again, now let me go further. Let’s say that Applause wants to put all customers under the subscription model, is this still legally viable? By all customers I mean  also all those customers that already paid for the app in the past under the one-time payment model. Best,Leo Bado From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard TurnerSent: Tuesday, April 25, 2023 4:04 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: Voice Dream Reader for IOS, yearly suscription? Yes.  Perfectly legal.Richard, USA.“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Leo BadoSent: Tuesday, April 25, 2023 3:04 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: Voice Dream Reader for IOS, yearly suscription? I got a question. Is it legally  allowed to change the business model   for an app in the Appstore? In other words, transitioning from the one-time payment model into the subscription model?  Best,Leo Bado From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Leo BadoSent: Tuesday, April 25, 2023 3:59 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: Voice Dream Reader for IOS, yearly suscription? OK, this source has been completely verified.  A friend of mine who didn’t have the app went to the Appstore and downloaded Voice Dream Reader. The app offers 1 week trial after which  the user must pay a 59 dollar yearly  subscription, of course, the price probably is not the same for all countries or regions. Best,Leo Bado From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Anna DresnerSent: Tuesday, April 25, 2023 11:56 AMTo: VIPhone Mailing List Subject: Re: Voice Dream Reader for IOS, yearly suscription? Hello, I would suggest writing to supp...@voicedream.com to find out. Best,Anna  On Apr 25, 2023, at 12:54 PM, Leo Bado  wrote: Hi everyone, is it true that Voice Dream Reader for IOS is changing to a yearly subscription model? Or is this just a rumor? Best,Leo Bado  -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit 

Re: Voice Dream Reader for IOS, yearly suscription?

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Fantastical did this a couple years ago and a lot of people were highly pissed about that choice they made.  Of course, they are mainly for the sighted market so they’re fine.  Voice Dream is a mixed market with blind and dyslexics, so it remains to be seen how this will go.Sent from my iPhone Pro MaxOn Apr 25, 2023, at 7:08 PM, Jody ianuzzi  wrote:Oh many apps of change models. There was one that was very expensive that is now free.I think one thing the new owner should realize is that there are free alternatives to voice dream reader. It is my favorite reading app but there’s also the dolphin the reader and Capt. and others. Bookshare has also just come out with their own reader which I’m sure will be better over time. JODYTo Boldly Go   thunderwalker...@gmail.com "What's within you is stronger than what's in your way."  NO BARRIERS  Erik WeihenmayerOn Apr 25, 2023, at 6:30 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:I am not a lawyer, but I suspect it is up to the owner what they do.However, I suspect that could be a huge PR problem. At this point, they do not plan to do that and they give no indication that they might.  I personally would have no issues if I had to subscribe.  I know for some people, that could be a difficult price to pay, but I think it is worth paying for. Richard, USA.“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Leo BadoSent: Tuesday, April 25, 2023 3:23 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: Voice Dream Reader for IOS, yearly suscription? Ok Richard, thanks again, now let me go further. Let’s say that Applause wants to put all customers under the subscription model, is this still legally viable? By all customers I mean  also all those customers that already paid for the app in the past under the one-time payment model. Best,Leo Bado From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard TurnerSent: Tuesday, April 25, 2023 4:04 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: Voice Dream Reader for IOS, yearly suscription? Yes.  Perfectly legal.Richard, USA.“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Leo BadoSent: Tuesday, April 25, 2023 3:04 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: Voice Dream Reader for IOS, yearly suscription? I got a question. Is it legally  allowed to change the business model   for an app in the Appstore? In other words, transitioning from the one-time payment model into the subscription model?  Best,Leo Bado From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Leo BadoSent: Tuesday, April 25, 2023 3:59 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: Voice Dream Reader for IOS, yearly suscription? OK, this source has been completely verified.  A friend of mine who didn’t have the app went to the Appstore and downloaded Voice Dream Reader. The app offers 1 week trial after which  the user must pay a 59 dollar yearly  subscription, of course, the price probably is not the same for all countries or regions. Best,Leo Bado From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Anna DresnerSent: Tuesday, April 25, 2023 11:56 AMTo: VIPhone Mailing List Subject: Re: Voice Dream Reader for IOS, yearly suscription? Hello, I would suggest writing to supp...@voicedream.com to find out. Best,Anna  On Apr 25, 2023, at 12:54 PM, Leo Bado  wrote: Hi everyone, is it true that Voice Dream Reader for IOS is changing to a yearly subscription model? Or is this just a rumor? Best,Leo Bado  -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/02c501d9779e%24ee04a440%24ca0decc0%24%40myself.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the 

Re: Voice Dream Reader for IOS, yearly suscription?

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I saw it on AppleVis.  It came straight from Voice Dream Support.Sent from my iPhone Pro MaxOn Apr 25, 2023, at 4:15 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:Penny, and anyone else who have stated that current owners will not have to pay for the subscription, could you say what your source is? I've seen no official information yet. I have reached out to the company that bought the app, but have not heard yet. Richard, USA.“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John RuskinMy web site: https://www.turner42.comOn Apr 25, 2023, at 1:11 PM, Penny Reeder  wrote:If you already own the Voice Dream Reader app, you won’t have to pay for an annual subscription. Penny Sent from my iPhoneOn Apr 25, 2023, at 3:40 PM, Jody ianuzzi  wrote:Oh this is terrible! Voice dream reader and soundscape are probably my two favorite apps Soundscape is going away and now voice dream reader is going to be a subscription! I have used it for years well I have to start paying for it? Also, how much will it be?JODYTo Boldly Go   thunderwalker...@gmail.com "What's within you is stronger than what's in your way."  NO BARRIERS  Erik WeihenmayerOn Apr 25, 2023, at 2:14 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:Hi Leo, et al.I just heard about this and here is the answer I sent to the BlindApples list.  I have a pretty good relationship with Winston Chen, the developer of the Voice Dream apps, so I wrote him directly and inquired. He has given me permission to share the below information.Note that no one yet knows the timing of the iOS/iPadOS subscription model.Also, he is quite confident that the group he mentions below who acquired Voice Dream Reader will take good care of the app or he wouldn't have sold it to them.On yet another note before I share what Winston said, I agree with him that the one-time charge model of app development is not sustainable if you need an app to grow and change with current technology.  If only one programmer knows the code, and something happens to that developer, the app will die.  This way, you end up with a team maintaining the app. Here is what Winston said:" Voice Dream Reader (both iOS and macOS versions), and the brand “Voice Dream”, were acquired by Applause Group.  The pricing decision was made by Applause - I was not aware of the amount and timing. But I totally support transitioning Voice Dream Reader to a subscription model. The one-time-price model is not sustainable. I planned to do it myself before the acquisition. On a separate note, Scanner and Writer were not acquired, and they will remain my apps. they will be renamed to VDScan and VDWrite, and under a new company named Opus Noma. There should’ve been communication about the acquisition but due to a legal issue, I have not been able to announce it. More from me about this soon..." An official statement will be coming soon.  What soon means, I have no idea.  Be patient.And, at this time, VDScan and VDWrite will remain one-time purchases. HTH, Richard, USA.“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe My web site: https://www.turner42.com



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Re: Pit boss grilling app

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I’m the guy who did the burgers sizzling on the grill back in 06 on Cool Blind Tech when Larry Schutchin Had it.  (Spelling may be fubarred).  I might do some podcasts talking about grilling and my techniques.  Stay tuned!Sent from my iPhone Pro MaxOn Apr 25, 2023, at 5:56 PM, chrisjudge1...@gmail.com wrote:Beer and tunes are an essential part of smoking and grilling.  Chris Judge From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of William JamesSent: Tuesday, April 25, 2023 4:04 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Pit boss grilling app I use the Weber Smart Connect Hub.  You get an ambient probe for measuring your grill’s temperature and a meat probe.  I have a spare one from an iGrill I got a few years ago.  I also use a Weber Kettle 22 inch.  I’ve smoked plenty of ribs, chicken, pork butts, and other meats on there.  Oh yeah, and plenty of beer and tunes! Sent from my iPhone Pro MaxOn Apr 25, 2023, at 12:21 AM, joseph hudson  wrote:Hi Chris, I found the messaging question that you had brought up. I didn't find a come pleat thread. But here I believe is the message that you are speaking of. And I believe that these archives are public. So you don't have to be a member to read them. Re: Smokergroups.io  On Apr 24, 2023, at 4:14 PM,   wrote: I recall about a year ago we had a discussion about smokers on the blind handyman list. I can’t remember the exact issue but I seem to remember a user having issues with the app, and when they called pit boss customer support the support was so atrocious that they ended up returning the pit boss grill and getting a Treger. I yeard the treger app was ok but I haven’t used it personally. From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Sieghard WeitzelSent: Sunday, April 23, 2023 5:08 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: Pit boss grilling app Hello Kayla, I was going to tell you that Pit Boss uses the same app as Louisiana Grills and that app is called "Smoke It". You may or may not know that both Pit Boss and Louisiana Grill are brands owned by the same company, Danson LLC.I sell Louisiana Grill at my retail store and personally own a Founders Series 1200 and the app can be used, but it's not great and I had to have sighted help at first because sometimes Voiceover reads stuff in the app which visually is not there so you sort of have to know what you can tap and how to use it.I was told by my Canadian distributor of Louisiana Grill that apparently the company is working on a new app, but that was last year and I haven't heard anything further. I live in Northwestern British Columbia and our winter is a full 5 months from November through March and while a few people use their wood pellet grills throughout the year, the main season for this sort of stuff up here is definitely from mid or late April (around now basically) to the middle or end of October. There is a lot of salmon fishing here so September and October are big month for people smoking their fish. Now, I just opened my Smoke It app for the first time this year and immediately received a pop-up message that Pit Boss now has their own app and typing "Pit boss" into the search field of the App Store did find it easily enough. What is not at all clear is whether this new Pit Boss app is supposed to work also with the Louisiana Grill products or not and calling their customer service line today wasn't much use as they are not open on Sundays. I will, however, call them tomorrow to find out because both Smoke It as well as the newer Pit Boss app get pretty bad ratings and they really should get their act together.  Best regards,Sieghard -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/PH7PR12MB56563E03CC0A638C9B8DF995C7669%40PH7PR12MB5656.namprd12.prod.outlook.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at:  

Re: Pit boss grilling app

[William James]

I use the Weber Smart Connect Hub.  You get an ambient probe for measuring your grill’s temperature and a meat probe.  I have a spare one from an iGrill I got a few years ago.  I also use a Weber Kettle 22 inch.  I’ve smoked plenty of ribs, chicken, pork butts, and other meats on there.  Oh yeah, and plenty of beer and tunes!Sent from my iPhone Pro MaxOn Apr 25, 2023, at 12:21 AM, joseph hudson  wrote:Hi Chris, I found the messaging question that you had brought up. I didn't find a come pleat thread. But here I believe is the message that you are speaking of. And I believe that these archives are public. So you don't have to be a member to read them.Re: Smokergroups.io
On Apr 24, 2023, at 4:14 PM,   wrote:I recall about a year ago we had a discussion about smokers on the blind handyman list. I can’t remember the exact issue but I seem to remember a user having issues with the app, and when they called pit boss customer support the support was so atrocious that they ended up returning the pit boss grill and getting a Treger. I yeard the treger app was ok but I haven’t used it personally. From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Sieghard WeitzelSent: Sunday, April 23, 2023 5:08 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: Pit boss grilling app Hello Kayla, I was going to tell you that Pit Boss uses the same app as Louisiana Grills and that app is called "Smoke It". You may or may not know that both Pit Boss and Louisiana Grill are brands owned by the same company, Danson LLC.I sell Louisiana Grill at my retail store and personally own a Founders Series 1200 and the app can be used, but it's not great and I had to have sighted help at first because sometimes Voiceover reads stuff in the app which visually is not there so you sort of have to know what you can tap and how to use it.I was told by my Canadian distributor of Louisiana Grill that apparently the company is working on a new app, but that was last year and I haven't heard anything further. I live in Northwestern British Columbia and our winter is a full 5 months from November through March and while a few people use their wood pellet grills throughout the year, the main season for this sort of stuff up here is definitely from mid or late April (around now basically) to the middle or end of October. There is a lot of salmon fishing here so September and October are big month for people smoking their fish. Now, I just opened my Smoke It app for the first time this year and immediately received a pop-up message that Pit Boss now has their own app and typing "Pit boss" into the search field of the App Store did find it easily enough. What is not at all clear is whether this new Pit Boss app is supposed to work also with the Louisiana Grill products or not and calling their customer service line today wasn't much use as they are not open on Sundays. I will, however, call them tomorrow to find out because both Smoke It as well as the newer Pit Boss app get pretty bad ratings and they really should get their act together.  Best regards,Sieghard -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/PH7PR12MB56563E03CC0A638C9B8DF995C7669%40PH7PR12MB5656.namprd12.prod.outlook.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at:  mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/014e01d976f1%24ccfdc7c0%2466f95740%24%40gmail.com.



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Re: Reading text/signage in the environment.

[William James]

You will be very surprised with those commercials that just have music on them.  That works too!Sent from my iPhone Pro MaxOn Apr 25, 2023, at 11:10 AM, Richard Turner  wrote:Give Seeing AI Short text channel a try. You may be surprised.Richard, USA.“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John RuskinMy web site: https://www.turner42.comOn Apr 25, 2023, at 4:23 AM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:I'd give the camera app a try. Just bring up the camera app and make sure focus is in the view finder. As you point the camera around you, you'll hear objects described and text read to you. I haven't tried it in the wild, but I have tried it around the house.There's also the short description channel n the Microsoft Seeing AI app. This is good when you know you're pointing at some text, like a label or a sign.--Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷Chaltain at Outlook, USA-Original Message-From: 'Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2023 5:24 AMTo: 'Carol VIPhone Subject: Reading text/signage in the environment.Hi,    Don't know if GPT 4 is relevant  here, if I remember aright, this became possible a year or more ago, but I want to be able to scan my environment, preferably, with video, but it could be still shots, not to identify objects, rather, to read all text around me. This might be anything from street signs to shop signs, to products on shelves or general info in buildings.    What app would i use to do this? Have people tried anything like this and how well did it work?    Thanks, Sandy and Z (who is a little challenged when it comes to signage!)Sent from The dark side of the moon--The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/---You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/33A2A368-181B-4B56-A2D2-10EB77764519%40googlemail.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/PH0PR14MB4296181169501D5ACD73B3ECC8649%40PH0PR14MB4296.namprd14.prod.outlook.com.



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Re: Differences in iPhone 14 models

[William James]

I would also wait until the iPhone 15 comes out.  You only have six months to 
wait.


Sent from my iPhone Pro Max

> On Mar 29, 2023, at 11:48 PM, Kelly Pierce  wrote:
> 
> I agree with Joshua that the iPhone 15 Pro is setting up to be a
> spectacular upgrade. It will have USBC supporting USB 3.2, which is 10
> to 20 times the transfer rate of the current USB 2.0 technology. It
> will be the first smart phone with a three nanometer processor,
> delivering blazing fast speeds. It may also have dual channel
> satellite navigation, giving location data as accurate as an inch
> compared to the 20 feet single channel offers that was in all iPhones
> before the 14 Pro.
> 
> Seigard, I disagree about the need for high speed data transfers. I
> now have 512 GB of storage. Some iPhones have a whole terabyte. With
> USB 2.0, transferring tens of thousands of music tracks takes several
> hours. This is also so for sighted people taking uncompressed photos
> with the 48-megapixel camera or 4k video. They need to move these big
> photos and videos off their phones and onto their computers for more
> storage.
> 
> For blind people, they may want to move a motley Crew discography off
> their phone after listening to it in the gym five times and change it
> out for another metal band.
> 
> Kelly
> 
> 
> 
>> On 3/29/23, CHELA Robles  wrote:
>> And I’m also considering Getting a new Apple Watch since my Apple Watch
>> fifth generation died two weeks before Christmas last year I saved up enough
>> money, thinking about getting the ultra because of a bigger screen, and the
>> fact that it has two speakers and tactile buttons. If I type it right if I
>> get it or rather if I purchase it on April 5 I should have it by my birthday
>> which is April 6. This is definitely a year of new stuff! Whatever phone
>> model you end up with, I hope it serves you well. Not everybody can afford
>> the latest and greatest all the time of everything but I say whatever works
>> best for you. I hope it works out for you. Good luck.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Mar 29, 2023, at 10:48 AM, CHELA Robles  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, my dad got a good deal since he’s a part of Sam’s Club as a member
>>> at least and anyway I got an iPhone 14 and it’s working well for me and
>>> I’m totally blind. I do have to say it is much faster than the 8+. I do
>>> like the feature where when you power on and off the phone it actually
>>> makes a sound. I never got that with the 8+. Yes, it doesn’t have all the
>>> bells and whistles like the pro model does but whatever works for you is
>>> hell I tend to lean.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Mar 29, 2023, at 10:41 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
 
 I would highly recommend you get the iPhone 14 Pro. If you are
 considering the iPhone 14 you would be better of to see if you can find
 an iPhone 13 Pro instead.
 The iPhone 14 did not get the newest processor like the iPhone 14 Pro/Pro
 Max did and this is the first time that Apple has not put their latest
 chip in a new phone. Basically if  you buy an iPhone 14 you get the same
 processor as the iPhone 13/13 Pro.
 One thing the Pro models have (apart from better cameras) is the LiDAR
 sensor which allows features like door detection and so on. I assume as
 time goes by, more developers may make use of it so I think it's a good
 thing to have a phone which has the LiDAR sensor. This means you have to
 get a Pro phone, the first one which had this was the iPhone 12 Pro, when
 the iPhone 13/13 Pro phons came out the 13 Pro again had it and not the
 regular 13 and the same applies to the 14 and 14 Pro, the 14 Pro/Pro Max
 have the liDAR sensor and the regular 14 and 14 Plus do not. This is why
 I feel as a blind person you are better off with an iPhone 13 Pro over a
 regular iPhone 14. Also you probably get a better deal on an iPhone 13
 Pro, but I know here in Canada they are becoming a bit harder to find.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
 William Outman
 Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2023 10:03 PM
 To: V IPhone List 
 Subject: Differences in iPhone 14 models
 
 Okay, I’m ready to make the jump from my 8 Plus soon.
 I am interested in the iPhone 14 models, but know there are several
 choices in this family.
 I need to know the differences in features and prices so I can decide
 which one to get. That will of course determine what accessories I get.
 Bill Outman
 
 
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Re: I O S 16.4

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You can also go straight to the horse’s mouth, so to speak.  Settings > General > Software Update > Learn More.  Note Learn more pops up if there is an update.Sent from my iPad ProOn Mar 28, 2023, at 10:55 AM, Richard Turner  wrote:My favorite source is the Applevis Blog.  Here is the direct link to the page for iOS and iPadOS 16.4.https://www.applevis.com/blog/apple-releases-ios-164-ipados-164-new-emoji-bug-fixes-security-updates-moreRichard, USA.“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Noe VilledaSent: Tuesday, March 28, 2023 5:18 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: I O S 16.4 Hello List, Where can I find out what’s new in I O S 16.4? -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/002801d9616f%2450a6e7c0%24f1f4b740%24%40gmail.com.



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Re: Does any one know if the noise icesalation feature wil work in the newest i pad update that came out today

[William James]

Simply checking your voicemail should suffice.  Just dial 123 on a t-mobile phone.  Other carriers may vary.Sent from my iPad ProOn Mar 28, 2023, at 6:32 PM, Mr. Ed  wrote:Yes, you have to be in or on a phone call.Mr. Ed From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Diane GiannettiSent: Tuesday, March 28, 2023 6:22 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Does any one know if the noise icesalation feature wil work in the newest i pad update that came out today How do you do the phone noise cancellation? Do you actually had to be in a phone call to activate it, is that why I probably can’t find where to do so?Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!On Mar 27, 2023, at 6:59 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:If you are talking about the isolation feature with cellular calls, it could be if you have an iPad with cellular service, it might. You could call Apple and ask: 877-204-3930  Richard, USA.“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John RuskinMy web site: https://www.turner42.com On Mar 27, 2023, at 3:54 PM, 'adrian Leong' via VIPhone  wrote:Does any one know if the feature where you can cancel out noise wil work in the new i pad update that came out today?Adrians ipad-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/0A516154-12C7-408C-957C-CDACE10AAD75%40icloud.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/32A10D46-90A4-4950-A39C-1A35ECA9E5A8%40comcast.net.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/FF545641-8CD1-4300-BC92-88C7446673DC%40gmail.com.



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Re: Apple Quietly Launches a Selection of Audiobooks Voiced by an AI Robot, Mac Daily News

[William James]

I can deal with specific TTS voices reading to me.  I like James in VDR.  
However, I do not think I would like Microsoft Sam or Eloquence reading to me a 
book I want to enjoy.  You old timers will remember Microsoft Sam.  LOL!

Sent from my iPhone Pro Max

> On Mar 20, 2023, at 6:20 PM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
> 
> I have never understood why some blind people don't like TTS books and
> refuse to read them.  I also use bookshare.  They have books that I
> couldn't get anywhere else.  I can either listen to different TTS
> voices read them to me in voice dream reader, or I have a BI40X and
> can read the books in braille.  It is my choice, and a great one to
> have.  TTS voices are getting better and better and the more books we
> have access to, the better.
> 
>> On 3/20/23, Kerry Macdonald  wrote:
>> It is just another way to read books. It means that more books will be
>> available for more people. I have read books with text to speech for years
>> and the voices they have now, particularly with apps, such as voice dream,
>> are so good after a while you don’t even notice it. At least I don’t. I
>> remember when I was in college my father bought me the Kurzweil reading
>> machine, and it was a TTS voice, however, I was just so happy to be able to
>> go out and buy any print book that I came to really like The Voice. It is
>> what it is. It just means that we will have more freedom of choice and if
>> people don’t like these books, they don’t have to use them.
>> 
>> 
>> Kerry
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 17, 2023, at 10:10 AM, Jody ianuzzi 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I disagree, I don’t think it’s disgusting that they are introducing new
>>> technology for reading books. Having a human narrator is extremely time
>>> consuming! I listen to books from Bookshare which are not available in any
>>> other source and I use the speech on my phone to listen to them. When I
>>> really get into a book I move past the sound of the voice and just absorb
>>> the Contant.
>>> 
>>> If these books become available in this format then I’m all for it
>>> 
>>> JODY
>>> 
>>> To Boldly Go  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> thunderwalker...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> "What's within you is stronger than what's in your way."  NO BARRIERS
>>>  Erik Weihenmayer
>>> 
 On Mar 17, 2023, at 9:50 AM, Barbara Stahl 
 wrote:
 
 
 The article in this email tells you how to find these type of audiobooks
 using the Books app just scroll down the email to find it
 
 
 Begin forwarded message:
 
> From: Barbara Stahl 
> Date: January 14, 2023 at 10:57:50 AM EST
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple Quietly Launches a Selection of Audiobooks Voiced by
> an AI Robot, Mac Daily News
> 
> I listened to the preview link in the article and the narration is
> surprisingly good.  But I completely agree, nothing could ever be better
> than human narration for me.  And its totally wrong for companies to try
> to replace people with robots just for profet.  Its disgusting.
> 
>> On Jan 14, 2023, at 1:08 AM, Dennis Long  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I completely agree.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Dennis Long
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone SE 3
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 14, 2023, at 1:06 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> While I certainly want any AI rendered audiobooks to be of the
>>> highest quality, this feels like the next phase of cost reduction by
>>> eliminating human voice actors. I can't ever imagine an AI narrated
>>> book to be of the same quality as a human narrated one and hope we'll
>>> continue to have a good supply of human narrated audio for many years
>>> to come.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Alan Lemly
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> 
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>>> M. Taylor
>>> 
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2023 8:30 PM
>>> 
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> 
>>> Subject: Apple Quietly Launches a Selection of Audiobooks Voiced by an
>>> AI Robot, Mac Daily News
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hello Everyone,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I was Fascinated by this article so quickly went to Apple Books and
>>> explored the selection.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I must say, I am amazed at the quality of the AI Rendering of the
>>> text.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> While there are several free AI voiced audio books from which to
>>> choose, I purchased a title called "WildWood" by Elinor Florence.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I will be posting a second article on this in a little while.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Enjoy,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Apple quietly launches a selection of audiobooks voiced by an AI robot
>>> MacDailyNews - Friday, January 6, 2023 at 2:36 PM Apple quietly
>>> launches a selection of audiobooks voiced by an AI robot Apple has
>>> quietly 

Re: Looking for inaccessible list making app

[William James]

And all is accessible, not inaccessible. See subject line.


Sent from my iPhone Pro Max

> On Mar 20, 2023, at 6:46 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> You can also include a list in a note in the Notes app. I also like the To 
> Do app from Microsoft.
> 
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> Chaltain at Outlook, USA
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2023 1:05 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Looking for inaccessible list making app
> 
> You can use the Reminders app. I made a list called "Shopping" and I can add 
> items and if I double tap them they get marked as completed and disappear. If 
> later on I want to buy these items again I an select to show completed items 
> and then I simply go through my list of items and double tap them again which 
> once I hide completed items makes them show up again and I again can tap them 
> in the store as I get the items. I am sure AnyList may have more powerful 
> options and all that, but for me this simple method works quite well. If you 
> need to share the list with somebody you can also do that.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Andrew 
> J. LaPointe
> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2023 8:38 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Looking for inaccessible list making app
> 
> Hi, I use Any List. You can make all kinds of list including shopping, 
> anything you can imagine. Andy and Leroy
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Kimberly
> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2023 11:34 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Looking for inaccessible list making app
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> I'm looking for an accessible list making app. I'll be using it on my iPhone 
> running the current iOS version and its primary use will be for shopping 
> lists.
> 
> Thanks in advance for any help.
> 
> Sent from Kimber's Red iPhone
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Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for VIPS

[William James]

It is still present on iOS 16.4 Beta 2.  Definitely not directly related to iOS.


Get Outlook for iOS

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Sieghard 
Weitzel 
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2023 12:52:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage 
subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for 
VIPS

I received a reply from Apple Accessibility this morning which states that they 
are aware of the issue and they are investigating.
I assume this may have had something to do with the App Store and certain App 
Store changes have always been done on the backend and they are not necessarily 
connected to iOS itself which would explain why this is happening with iOS 15, 
iOS 16.3 as well as iOS 16.4 public beta.
I would think this is something which Apple will fix sooner rather than later.
As for using screen recognition this still does not work for me even if I wait 
10 seconds or 20 seconds, I have backed out of subscriptions after turning it 
on and gone back and it does not give me anything except what I also see 
without screen recognition.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
davycupp...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2023 9:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage 
subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for 
VIPS

Thats not 100% right, the apps for which I had subscribed yes I can click them 
all but I donot know which I have been selecting while these buttons are not 
labeled at least for me.
Davy

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Vicky Collins
Verzonden: dinsdag 28 februari 2023 6:18
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage 
subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for 
VIPS

Although it wouldn’t be ideal by any means, when I checked just now, I could 
turn on screen recognition while in the list of apps to which I was subscribed, 
and I could then actually view that list of applications. I could also double 
tap on one of the apps to which I was subscribed, then turn off screen 
recognition, And then I could see the option to cancel that subscription if I 
wanted to do so.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 27, 2023, at 11:14 PM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
>
> After experienncing the same results as reported, I decided to call Apple 
> Accessibility, rather than email. He tested it on his iphone and was rewarded 
> with the same mess. He says that Apple already had had several reports about 
> it, he added mine to the list, along with his own results. I guess a problem 
> gets more attention when the acccessibility representative gets the same 
> results as the complaintants. I was told that they are "looking into it", and 
> that it will be fixed in "a future update." I am glad I didn't wait until the 
> last minute to change a subscription. And how could this have gott, past the 
> beta testers? Are there beta testers?
>
> Arnold Schmidt
>
>
> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 3
>
> On Feb 27, 2023, at 5:32 PM, davycupp...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Please folks, Sieghards posting is really 100% the way things are displayed 
> no wand please people stop saying this is not a bug or this or that or try 
> screen recognition it makes really no sense even if you can click the buttons 
> then and you donot know what subscription you select.
> Please people do report this tramendous new under the hood bug!
> accessibil...@apple.com and stop convincing others of this problem not being 
> a bug, this is eventually a bug!
> Davy
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Verzonden: maandag 27 februari 2023 23:18
> Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Onderwerp: RE: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to
> manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and
> more a drama for VIPS
>
> That must have changed in the last 4-6 weeks because I remember at some point 
> in January I had a look at this because my wife has a yearly subscription for 
> an app/service and it was showing up. I can confirm Davy's finding and this 
> by the way is also now on iOS 16.4 public beta so apparently it makes no 
> difference whether the iOS version is 15, 16 or 16.4 beta.
> I agree with Davy in this case, people should definitely report this. I did 
> also try this with screen recognition turned on and it makes no difference. I 
> get 3 headings, Active, Inactive and Options. Under Options Voiceover 
> correctly reads whether the "Share with Family" option is checked or not.
> Under "Active" I find a pop up button which allows you to pick app name, 
> price or renewal date to sort your subscriptions, but while I can pick any of 
> these 

Re: Twitter officially kills off all third-party client apps

[William James]

I just tried to sign up for DragonsCave.space but the signup link takes me elsewhere.  Are signups taken up?  I am currently on iaccessibility.social and tweesecake. Social. Wiljames is the username for those two.Sent from my iPhone Pro MaxOn Jan 22, 2023, at 6:17 PM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:







I joined dragonscave.space. It has a lot of blind users on that instance. You can move from instance to instance, but I haven’t done this myself.
 
I use the Tusker app on IOS. It’s currently in beta. I’ve also used Mercury and Metatext, which are also accessible. The Mastodon app is accessible but doesn’t have as many features as other apps. I’ve heard good things about Toot, but
 I haven’t used it myself.
 

--
Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
Chaltain at Outlook, USA

 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
On Behalf Of Dennis Long
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2023 11:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Twitter officially kills off all third-party client apps


 
What is a good channel to join?  If you join and don’t like the channel you join to can that be changed so your handle is at something else?
 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2023 8:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Twitter officially kills off all third-party client apps


 
The fact that Twitter is used by so many governments and organizations is kind of irrelevant, unless they’re contributing to Twitter’s bottom line. Elon Musk isn’t out to make Twitter a public square or a utility; he’s out to make it profitable
 and get a return on his investment. If governments and organizations bring in users which in turn bring in advertisers then this makes sense, but this hasn’t been the case for the last eight years.
 
I like Mastodon, but I don’t consider it a Twitter replacement. For me it feels more like something between Twitter and Facebook. I thin this might be in part due to the greater character limits on toots. I also find Mastodon to be more
 conversational than Twitter or even email, but this may just be the way I use Twitter. I also like the content warnings in Mastodon. It makes it easier to avoid inflammatory toots and gives me a chance to warn people about something I might be tooting. What
 I like most about Mastodon though, and the absolute #1 reason I’m more active on Mastodon then I’ve been on either Facebook or Twitter is the plethora of accessible clients. I guess I have a pretty low bar when it comes to how much inconvenience I’ll put up
 with to participate in social media, and I find Mastodon clients set that bar lower than the alternatives.
 

--
Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
Chaltain at Outlook, USA

 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
On Behalf Of Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2023 1:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Twitter officially kills off all third-party client apps


 
I’m riding the bus until the wheels fall off. So far, nothing as far as VoiceOver accessibility has broken or at least not that I’ve noticed. Of the main social media platforms, it slowly became one of the more accessible ones out there.
 Terrible that the accessibility team was let go along with a lot of other people, but the work they did to make Twitter very accessible is still there.

Spring for the most part is still working. I’ve noticed that I can’t reply or retweet, but it’s easy enough to access the option to view a particular tweet in the native Twitter app and do whatever I want with that tweet from there. Once
 Spring’s gone, I guess I’ll have to see how I get along with the actual twitter appt itself.

I mean, Mastodon’s “ok,” but it’s like night and day as far as engagement and level of information. Who knows, Musk may very well run twitter into bankruptcy as he’s hinted at already and sell it off to whoever and it’ll end up under new
 management and structure where we’ll be able to go through this all over again. It’s used by  so many. Not just people, but Governments, organizations and so on, it’s hard to see some other platform supplant or replicate what it does any time soon.
There will likely be a Twitter 3.0 or 4.0, but who knows what that’ll look like or who will run it. Might as well just go with the flow for now.


Cristóbal

 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
On Behalf Of Alex Stone
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2023 10:43 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Twitter officially kills off all third-party client apps


 
I’m pissed about this. Less than a year ago, I paid good money for Tweetbot, and now I’ve got no money, and no app!

Sent from my iPhone


 

On 20 Jan 2023, at 18:38, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:




 
There is a few big differences between Apple and Twitter. Yes, Apple often does things the way they think people should do them, they even have released devices which didn't really exist because they felt that is what people 

Re: Reading prescription labels

[William James]

CVS and Wallgreens both offer online perscription refills.  Just set up an 
account with the app and you should be able to see all sorts of information 
about your medicines.  I use CVS and thoroughly enjoy using Spoken RX from CVS. 
 My retired Leader Dog, Chip, takes medicine for seizures.  His medicine is 
even labeled with Spoken RX.  He goes by Chip Dog at CVS.  Hahaha!


Sent from my iPhone Pro Max

> On Nov 26, 2022, at 3:17 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> CJ,
> It is good to know there are more options out there.  
> 
> I had not heard of that one.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard, USA.
> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
> --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
> 
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2022 12:13 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Reading prescription labels
> 
> It doesn't help with labelling the actual prescription bottles, but my 
> pharmacy has an app where I can track and refill prescriptions. Prescriptions 
> get into the app automatically when the doctor calls in the prescription. I 
> live in Texas and the app is HEB RX. Maybe other pharmacies have something 
> similar.
> 
> --
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> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2022 9:35 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Reading prescription labels
> 
> LIDAR is not OCR.  Perhaps the built-in text recognition in the camera could 
> do it these days, but the best is getting the pharmacy to use an accessible 
> label like through ScriptTalk.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard, USA.
> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
> --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
> 
> My web site: 
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> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2022 6:15 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Reading prescription labels
> 
> You could gently remove the label and get Seeing A I to read it. I guess 
> LiDAR could, if you have it? 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2022 8:12 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Reading prescription labels
> 
> The problem is reading on the curve. The best solution is to get the pharmacy 
> to connect with Envision America and their ScrirtTalk program which gives 
> visually impaired people access to all of the medication info including the 
> prescription number and refills remaining, etc.
> You could try Voice Dream Scanner.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard, USA.
> “What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
> consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin My 
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> 
> 
> 
>On Nov 25, 2022, at 11:28 PM, Donald Raikes  wrote:
>
>
> 
>Hi,
>
>Using my iPhone, what would be the best app to read the label on my
>prescription medications to get the prescription number for reordering
>the medication?
>
>I tried seeing ai but it didn't work very well at all. The rx number
>was too high on the label and the container lid got in the way I
>think.
>
>-- 
>
>Sincerely,
>Donald Raikes, CPACC
>Accessibility Specialist
>IAAP Certified Professional in Accessibility Core
>
> 
>competencies
>
>-- 
>

Re: Sharing: James Patterson - Blowback

[William James]

Care to share this list privately! wiljame...@gmail.comSent from my iPhone Pro MaxOn Sep 15, 2022, at 11:05 AM, Noe Villeda  wrote:Sorry about that, I sent that message to the wrong list.  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of anthonyborg...@gmail.comSent: Thursday, September 15, 2022 12:02 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: Sharing: James Patterson - Blowback Hi, if i may ask, what does this consist of please? Thanks in advance  Anthony  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Noe VilledaSent: 15 September 2022 12:24To: Noe Villeda Subject: Sharing: James Patterson - Blowback Enjoy!   https://www.dropbox.com/s/1h8z0art57b8fn3/James%20Patterson%2C%20Brendan%20DuBois%20-%20Blowback.zip?dl=1   -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/009701d8c8f5%24aa2761c0%24fe762540%24%40gmail.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/017b01d8c91c%249024fcc0%24b06ef640%24%40gmail.com.



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Re: Recommendation: put Screen Recognition in VO Quick Settings, not the Rotor

[William James]

If you swipe one more time to the right of Quick Settings in the VO settings, 
it will tell you.  I’ll tell you though. 

You activate Quick Settings by tapping four times with two fingers.  A double 
magic tap., so to speak.


Sent from my iPhone Pro Max

> On Oct 4, 2022, at 6:42 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> Then, how do you use Quick Settings? 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> William James
> Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2022 6:29 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Recommendation: put Screen Recognition in VO Quick Settings, not 
> the Rotor
> 
> If you go to settings > Accessibility > VoiceOver > and go all the way down 
> to the end, you will see quick settings.  You will find Screen Recognition in 
> there.  Only a few things are selected at the outset.  Think of this as the 
> rotor, but you are adding choices to Quick Settings instead.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone Pro Max
> 
> 
>On Oct 4, 2022, at 6:04 PM, Holly  wrote:
>
>
> 
> 
>Mike:
> 
>Screen recognition is not in my Voice Over quick settings either, and I am 
> running 16.02 on a SE 2020.
> 
>
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Re: Recommendation: put Screen Recognition in VO Quick Settings, not the Rotor

[William James]

If you go to settings > Accessibility > VoiceOver > and go all the way down to the end, you will see quick settings.  You will find Screen Recognition in there.  Only a few things are selected at the outset.  Think of this as the rotor, but you are adding choices to Quick Settings instead.Sent from my iPhone Pro MaxOn Oct 4, 2022, at 6:04 PM, Holly  wrote:



Mike:
 
Screen recognition is not in my Voice Over quick settings either, and I am 
running 16.02 on a SE 2020.



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Re: [tech-vi Announce List] iPhone 14 Pro Models Will Have a New Chime During Startup

[William James]

If you can count past four, you should have it made! :-)

Sent from my iPhone Pro Max

> On Sep 8, 2022, at 10:25 AM, Scott Davert  wrote:
> 
> I wish we could also have the privative yet effective vibration alert
> that the phone is booting up. Kind of like when your device connects
> to AC power, but some sort of verification that the device is coming
> online. I think it's cool they have this feature, I wish it had been
> more universally designed. Oh well, I've lived without it before, I
> can continue to do so. LOL
> 
> Scott
> 
>> On 9/8/22, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
>> I was wondering that myself.  Would the sound chime as soon as you hit
>> your power button, or take a little time.  Some very interesting
>> things coming out in the apple world these days.
>> 
>>> On 9/8/22, Ben Mustill-Rose  wrote:
>>> It's going to be interesting to see at what point exactly the sound is
>>> played. Obviously the longer the delay between power on and sound the
>>> less useful it becomes. Definitely some impressive engineering going
>>> on if they got it to a point where iBoot was able to handle audio. In
>>> an ideal world it would also sound if you had a corrupt iOS install.
>>> 
>>> Obviously not something to go out and buy a Pro for on its own, but
>>> you'd imagine that the feature will trickle down to less expensive
>>> models over the years.
>>> 
>>> On 9/8/22, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
 The article only said iPhone 14 pro models with the A16 chip.  Darn.
 This is a feature I've wanted for sometime. Now I have something to
 look forward to when I get a new iPhone.  If only I'd waited for the
 iPhone 14 pro max.
 
 On 9/8/22, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> If the regular iPhone 14 and 14 Plus have the sound it can't be part of
> the
> A16 chip because they only have the A15, same as the iPhone 13/13 Mini
> and
> 13 Pro/Pro Max.
> Only the iPhone 14 Pro and Pro Max is getting the A16 chip.
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> Date: September 7, 2022 at 8:52:13 PM PDT
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> Reply-To: tech...@groups.io
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> From the Tech-VI list owner:
> The iPhone 14 Pro and Pro Max models will have the ability to play a
> chime
> during the boot process. This has been an option which many blind
> iPhone
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> am
> pasting just the relevant section below. If you go to the original
> source
> link you can hear what the new chime sounds like. Please note that on
> my
> PC
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> earbuds
> or
> who have sensitivity to loud sounds should be aware of this.
> 
> Original
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> 
> Boot chime for iPhone 14 Pro
> 
> Another new feature coming to iPhone 14 Pro models is a boot chime.
> More
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> accessibility
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Re: Embarrassing question.

[William James]

It does.  It’s called your finger that pushes the delete key.

Hope this helps.


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> On Aug 30, 2022, at 6:18 PM, Maria Campbell  wrote:
> 
> I sure do wish this group had a mute topic link.
> 
> 
> Maria Campbell
> lucky1i...@gmail.com
> 
>> On 8/30/2022 5:58 PM, Chikodinaka Oguledo wrote:
>> sorry for what i side i need some 1 aLady in my life
>> 
>>> On 8/30/22, Star Gazer  wrote:
>>> No, he was
>>> only asking about dating sites that may be accessible, a question that makes
>>> sense given how people describe sites like Tinder as being picture based.
>>> They are, but all anybody needs to do is ignore the pictures and read
>>> whatever data people post about themselves, taking all of it with a grain of
>>> salt, or maybe more politely, using the skills we all have and use each and
>>> every day to make decisions about who we do and do not want to deal with and
>>> what those dealings may look like.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jenny
>>> Bomareto
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2022 4:58 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Embarrassing question.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sorry for what I said earlier. To me it sounded like the original poster who
>>> posted the question was asking how he could date. So again my sincere
>>> apologies.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for reading regarding this matter.
>>> Jenny Bomareto
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: 2022 Season NFL audio

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I will admit they do make it a.challenge to find.  Here you go.SiriusXM is Loadingcare.siriusxm.comSent from my iPhone Pro MaxOn Aug 3, 2022, at 11:16 PM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:And how much does Sirius XM cost?--Christopher (AKA CJ)Chaltain at Outlook-Original Message-From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kevin MinorSent: Wednesday, August 3, 2022 10:08 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: 2022 Season NFL audioHi.I think the NFL app isn't the only way to hear the games. If you have the Sirius XM skill on your Echo, you can also use the app on your smartphone, and I think the NFL games are there.There's something else to mention about the NFL on the Sirius XM app. I'm not positive about this, but I think you can listen to prior games for up to a week. I wish I could do that on my Dot, but I'll settle for the live stuff.Kevin, Valerie and Jilly-Original Message-From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Christopher ChaltainSent: Wednesday, August 3, 2022 10:30 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: 2022 Season NFL audioI may be getting the NFL and NBA apps mixed up, but it might be the case that you won't see the audio button until the game is live.To report an issue with the NFL, you can do the following:As you have purchased NFL Game Pass in the USA, please contact their dedicated customer support team via the following link: https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url="" or email directly; supp...@nfldigitalcare.zendesk.comThe problem I ran into last year was that VoiceOver couldn't get inside the mini-player, and the audio started muted, so there was no way to get into the mini-player and unmute the audio. I got nowhere with the ticket I opened, and since all purchases are final, I couldn't get refunded for the $99 annual subscription. I ended up opening a complaint with the DOJ under the ADA. My argument was that the NFL is keeping other services from carrying these audio streams making the only option their inaccessible player. The DOJ said they weren't pursuing the matter, but they'd keep it on file. I'd suggest others open up support tickets against the NFL and it's app, and even consider submitting a complaint to the DOJ.--Christopher (AKA CJ)Chaltain at Outlook-Original Message-From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard TurnerSent: Wednesday, August 3, 2022 8:54 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: 2022 Season NFL audioIs there any kind of support email in the settings?I'd also ask them to make the app more accessible.Good luck with that.Richard“People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought which they seldom use.” - Søren KierkegaardMy web site: https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url="">礪-Original Message-From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donald RobertsSent: Wednesday, August 3, 2022 6:16 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: 2022 Season NFL audioI just downloaded the NFL app to my S E 2020 , intending to subscribe to the lower tier package so that I can listen to the audio for any home or away games.Thus far, I have completely struck out to use a baseball analagy. I looked as carefully as I could but found nothing pertaining specifically to audio. There was a question asking the user to list their TV provider. The worst thing, however, is that the app has a significant number of unlabeled buttons.I write in the hope that others can navigate this maze and provide pointers as to how to accomplish my objective.Thanks in advance.Don Roberts--The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url="">---You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url="">-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url="">--- You received this message 

Re: within voice dream reader, connecting to Book Share does not offer downloads option

[William James]

I have seen this with various books.  What you can do is log onto BookShare via 
Safari and download it that way.  it could be that a format is not supported by 
VDR that it sees but the site will let you change the format.


Sent from my iPhone Pro Max

> On Jul 26, 2022, at 3:06 PM, danamariel...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Sadly sometimes this occurs in all of our cases.  Sometimes if you search 
> for the title of the book you will find it with a download link.
> Other times we are not able to get the books as they are available in other 
> countries but not the country we are  in.
> Dana
> 
> If you are a Christian, we have a Christian lady’s whats app group.  If you 
> are a male or female we have a mixed Christian fellowship whats app group.
> If you love to read, we have whats app groups for bookshare, as well as a 
> bookshare book club
> We have a Christian fiction book group
> A lady’s only book club
> And finally a general book group.
> If interested email me.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Keith 
> Kramlinger
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2022 3:04 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: within voice dream reader, connecting to Book Share does not offer 
> downloads option
> 
> hello,
> Today I was trying to download a book from Book Share from within the voice 
> dream reader app. Search results revealed a book I would like, but there does 
> not appear to be a download option.
> Is there a workaround? Or is there a new problem that has developed? This is 
> the first time I have encountered that.
> Thanks in advance. Keith
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Re: NFL stream service

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I will stick with Sirius XM for all my sports.Sent from my iPhone Pro MaxOn Jul 27, 2022, at 9:20 PM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:







Hmm, I have a few questions about this.
 
I wonder if TuneIn will still be carrying the  radio broadcasts of the NFL games.
 
I wonder if this will be accessible. I didn’t find the NFL Game Pass accessible. It was so bad, and the NFL Game Pass Support didn’t care that there app wasn’t accessible, so I went as far as submitting a complaint to the DoJ under the
 ADA. The DoJ thanked me for filing a complaint and said they’d keep it in the records in case they ever decided to take any action against the NFL. I recently got a response to my support ticket asking if there was anything else they could do, but I said that
 between TuneIn carrying the games and my complaint to the DoJ, I was good.
 
This price is a lot cheaper then it used to be when you had to shell out $99 a year to get access to the radio broadcasts, but it’s still quite a bit more expensive than the NBA where you get all of the radio broadcasts for the entire season
 for $10.
 

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Chaltain at Outlook

 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
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Re: what's new for IOS16?

[William James]

If you want it bad enough, you’ll use means of looking for it.  If you’re curious, do you look things up?  I do.Sent from my iPhone Pro MaxOn Jun 8, 2022, at 11:14 AM, Richard Turner  wrote:Yes, I know, people illegally make the developer betas available.Richard My web site; https://www.turner42.com/ From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Gerardo CorripioSent: Wednesday, June 8, 2022 8:11 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: what's new for IOS16? Sorry for not clarifhying my original question because yes the Betas so work in spanish, thus my original question was if in order to get ahold of the Deveoper Betas, you need to be part of the Developper Program at $100usd), I’ve seveeral blind Spanish-speaking friends who are tyring out these developer Betas, for free; appartly Googling around, you can download a Developer Beta profile?GeraEnviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de TelcelEl 8 jun 2022, a la(s) 10:08 a.m., Richard Turner  escribió:I have no clue on the planet. But, contacting Apple directly could answer your question if the betas work in Spanish.  I would be very surprised if they don’t.Richard My web site; https://www.turner42.com/ From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Gerardo CorripioSent: Wednesday, June 8, 2022 8:05 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: what's new for IOS16? That’s what I thought; that you need to pay a year $100usd, but then how have some of the Spanish-speaking community have access to the developper Beta if they don’t pay or have some sort of a Developper account?GeraEnviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de TelcelEl 8 jun 2022, a la(s) 9:52 a.m., Richard Turner  escribió:Right now, the betas are only for developers.  You can become a developer I think for $99.Or, go head and sign up for the public betas which usually come out about a month after WWDC, so sometime in early July.You sign up with the device you want to put betas on.  They never recommend putting betas on your primary device in case there are serious bugs, but that is everyone’s own choice.https://beta.apple.com/sp/betaprogramRichard My web site; https://www.turner42.com/ From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Star GazerSent: Wednesday, June 8, 2022 7:37 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: what's new for IOS16? Can I download a beta of Ios 16? I’d love to try out the new voices  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of CHELA RoblesSent: Wednesday, June 8, 2022 10:28 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: what's new for IOS16? I wonder if iOS 16 will be available for iPhone 8 models like the iPhone 8 Plus which is what I have. From what I heard they didn’t mention at the Keynote with models of iPhone that OS will be available on. Great news regarding the new voices.Sent from my iPhone On Jun 8, 2022, at 5:48 AM, 'Ming' via VIPhone  wrote:wondering any new features for Voice over or accessibility?or any new voices for voice over as well?Ming tel: 6421 9950 msn/window live messenger chung_chiming_2...@hotmail.com skype: chungchiming9950 face book: http://www.facebook.com/mingcm1Curtis Delzer () 在 2022年6月8日星期三 上午01:06:31 [GMT+8] 寫道：   What’s New in iOS 16 for iPhoneTIM BROOKES @timbrookesJUN 7, 2022, 9:30 AM EDT | 8 MIN READiOS 16 logoAppleApple announced iOS 16 for the iPhone at WWDC 2022. As usual, this update is free and the release is expected in late September (2022). The update is packed with tweaks that will hopefully change the way you use your iPhone for the better.aclk sa=L=CCfPHV4OfYtK2ComF…  A More Dynamic Lock ScreenIt’s been a while since Apple has done anything major to the Lock Screen, but that changes with iOS 16. The update will allow you to customize your Lock Screen colors, fonts, and even place and rearrange widgets. In iOS 16 the Lock Screen feels more like an Apple Watch face than a traditional static display.iOS 16 Lock Screen stylesAppleApple will even include a Lock Screen gallery that features designs to inspire or download. Like an Apple Watch face, you can switch between different Lock Screens with a tap-and-hold and then swipe. In addition to fonts, a new multilayered photo effect and suggested photos will be suggested, or choose a set of photos to shuffle automatically throughout the day. You can even apply styles so that photos conform to a style of your choosing in a complementary manner.Apple Will Revamp the iPhone Lock Screen for iOS 16RELATEDApple Will Revamp the iPhone Lock Screen for iOS 16Widgets are a bit like Watch face complications and include information like your Watch activity rings, weather conditions, a world clock, battery levels for accessories like AirPods, alarms you have set, and more. There’s even a WidgetKit API that third-party apps will be able to use to put 

Re: [BlindApples] Qatari Money Reader, Free

[William James]

Yes, sure did.  Thanks!

Sent from my iPhone Pro Max

> On May 29, 2022, at 9:29 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I’ve put it through what paces I could.
> I don’t know that I have any older bills.
> How do you mean older?
>  
> I have a well warn bill and I had to make sure it was flat, but it worked.
>  
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
>  
> My web site; https://www.turner42.com/
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> kheve...@fuse.net
> Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2022 5:42 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: [BlindApples] Qatari Money Reader, Free
>  
> Richard, checked it out, and first impression was a great one.  Bills were 
> identified quickly.  Then, I tried an older bill and never did get it to be 
> identifyed.  Have u put it through the paces?
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2022 12:24 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: [BlindApples] Qatari Money Reader, Free
>  
> Greetings all,
> A note from the developer of the Qatari Money Reader, please read.
>  
>  
> Hello Richard
>  
> Thank you for sharing the app and glad to hear users find it helpful.
>  
> Well I think there is a way to add all wanted features by motivating users to 
> download the app and share five reviews stars with their feedback/comments 
> about what they are looking to be added into the app, like any currencies or 
> extra features so I can take these comments forward to the investors to 
> support adding these additional features and currencies as this is the same 
> approach we did last time.
>  
> One of the promising feature we would like to add to perform image processing 
> for ATM machine and card machine which will allow the app to scan the screen 
> of both ATM machine to verify the withdraw amount and when want to pay with 
> card to verify the amount wants to pay for in any shop but in terms of 
> development something like that we need to raise fund.
>  
> Happy to share my email as well with the users.
>  
> Best
> Anwar
> Anwar Almojarkesh: anwarm1...@gmail.com
>  
> Please give them 5 star reviews and make your requests known.  This is a rare 
> opportunity I think to influence the development of an app.
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
>  
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Re: are there any good E-Q apps out there?

[William James]

Spotify has a built-in EQ in Playback.  It is quite accessi.

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> On Aug 22, 2021, at 2:30 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> I assume you have already explored the built-in EQ settings in the Music app?
> 
> I would guess, and this is purely a guess, that for any EQ app to work, it 
> will affect all speakers, unless it is an app for that particular brand.
> 
> Have you checked on applevis.com?
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> Software means never having to say you're finished
> 
> Web site: www.turner42.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
> Hendrickson
> Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2021 10:41 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: are there any good E-Q apps out there?
> 
> Hi to all.  I'm looking for an accessible app that is an E-q app for changing 
> the playback sound of some of my smaller bluetooth speakers.
> Maybe increasing the bass and things like that.  Are there any free apps, and 
> are these apps accessible with voice over.  Thanks for any help.
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Re: Lobbying Apple about FlickType

[William James]

It’s an additional keyboard you can install.  You can use it as a braille 
keyboard, so if you are familiar with writing in braille, you’re golden. Keep 
in mind it costs $40 to get this capability.  No thank you!  Sure it is nice, 
but I like BSI.


Sent from my iPhone Pro Max

> On Aug 23, 2021, at 4:38 PM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
> 
> Richard, what is m-braille?
> 
>> On 8/23/21, Dennis Long  wrote:
>> Richard I completely agree with you.  It took me years to see that.  I used
>> Android for years.  Will Google ever catch up?  Doubtful.  Could they yes if
>> Apple took  years off and Google actually did something.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Richard Turner
>> Sent: Monday, August 23, 2021 11:26 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Lobbying Apple about FlickType
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Let us not lose sight of the fact they are actually putting more and more
>> into accessibility.  It may not be your accessibility, but over all, they
>> are way out in front in this area.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
>> Software means never having to say you're finished
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Web site:   www.turner42.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of
>> Devin Prater
>> Sent: Monday, August 23, 2021 8:19 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: Lobbying Apple about FlickType
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> It's definitely not the end of the world, but I hope we won't continue
>> having this type of problem, but something tells me we will as Apple's
>> success grows and their App Store team has more and more they have to do and
>> look out for.
>> 
>> 
>> Devin Prater
>> 
>> r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com 
>> 
>> gemini://tilde.pink/~devinprater/
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 10:06 AM Richard Turner >  > wrote:
>> 
>> I  Very much doubt the millions of customers it would take to switch to the
>> “somewhat dark side, grin” will do so, which is what it would take to impact
>> Apple’s wallet.  A few people switching to Android certainly won’t.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I also doubt Flicktype will see the light of day again, which is too bad,
>> but not the end of the world.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
>> Software means never having to say you're finished
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Web site:
>> 
>> www.turner42.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of
>> Devin Prater
>> Sent: Monday, August 23, 2021 7:38 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: Lobbying Apple about FlickType
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I voted with my wallet and went with Android. Sure, it's got its rough
>> edges, but at least I control what is on my phone, what can go on my phone,
>> what app stores are on my phone, and can even play the video games I'm good
>> at, on my phone. Its not perfect as I said, but I have control, and Apple,
>> or Google for that matter, cannot take it away. I think the only way Apple
>> will change so drastically is if they notice a decrease in money. Their App
>> Store is very dear to them as a money-making ability, so I doubt a few
>> people complaining about a specialized app will move them. After all,
>> thousands of people complaining about CSAM hasn't, and thousands complaining
>> about fortnight hasn't either. If it does, though, that's great. But if not,
>> prepare to vote with your money. Android isn't as dark a side as you think.
>> :)
>> 
>> 
>> Devin Prater
>> 
>> r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com 
>> 
>> gemini://tilde.pink/~devinprater/
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 12:35 AM 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone
>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > wrote:
>> 
>> Jonathan Mosen is urging as many of us as possible to email Apple’s Phil
>> Schiller schil...@apple.com   to urge him to
>> intervene personally to sort out the problems leading to the developer of
>> FlickType withdrawing his app after his updates were rejected for mystifying
>> reasons.
>> Regards
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Re: NLS eReader by Humanware observations

[William James]

I thought the comment about NLS not providing writing tools was over the top.  
Come on A-hole, we *KNOW* this!


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> On Aug 17, 2021, at 6:59 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> OK, so I can be a little dense now and then.
>  
> I totally skipped over NFB Newsline in the ONLine resources.
> It is there, fairly easy to set up and quite fast at downloading.
>  
> Thank you.
>  
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
> Software means never having to say you're finished
> 
>  
> Web site: www.turner42.com
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> TaraPrakash
> Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2021 9:37 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: NLS eReader by Humanware observations
>  
> My last message on this thread because we are stepping into the off list  
> territory. 
>  newsline is indeed one of the two  online services. 
>  
> And finally, eReader, as  is clear from its name, a reader.  comparison with 
> other note takers and  braille displays  Can be limitless 
>  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On Aug 17, 2021, at 10:55 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Alan,
> Please forward this to your friend.
>  
> You are troubled by its inaccuracies?  Having an opinion about a strap that 
> is clearly designed as a neck strap, which you choose to treat as a handle is 
> not an inaccuracy; it is a difference of opinion.  When I put it around my 
> neck, it was very uncomfortable for me; but would work fine as a handle which 
> won’t help you if you want to use it in church while standing and reading the 
> hymn lyrics ….
> Of course my observations are subjective, that is because they are my 
> observations and you are more than welcome to provide different observations; 
> but this is not about accuracy.
>  
> I have used multiple braille displays as well and know for a fact that at 
> least 3 of the ones I’ve used had those markers.
>  
> You said: “--Of course it does not have a notetaker. The digital talking book 
> machine does not have a digital recorder either. NLS provides reading 
> materials, not writing tools. That said, one can easily pair the eReader with 
> an iPhone or computer and use it to read and write in a variety of 
> applications. –I was presenting information to an audience that had no 
> information on the NLS eReader and was simply pointing out what is clearly 
> stated in the information on the eReader for those who do not have access yet 
> and have not read about it.  In case you are not aware of it, observations 
> are not criticisms, they are observations…
>  
> --Also worth mentioning here that users can download directly from NLS BARD 
> and NFB NEWSLINE. Downloads from either are lightning fast.
> I have not seen any documentation on accessing NFB Newsline; I’d be very 
> interested in getting more info.
>  
> Thanks very much,
>  
> Richard
> Software means never having to say you're finished
> 
>  
> Web site: www.turner42.com
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
> Lemly
> Sent: Monday, August 16, 2021 9:44 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: NLS eReader by Humanware observations
>  
> I’m posting the below on behalf of a friend who is not on this list but who 
> is a part of the NLS eReader team:
>  
> I have read this list of observations regarding the HumanWare eReader and am 
> troubled by some of its inaccuracies.
> I’ve been a part of the eReader team for NLS since its beginning , about 18 
> months ago, and will respond by inserting my comments between the original 
> ones.
> 1. The neck strap is cheap and not at all comfortable. It is too skinny, and 
> made out of a very rough material.
> --This is very subjective. I use it as more of a hand or wrist strap, and 
> find it perfectly convenient.
> 2. There are two space bars that for me, are not positioned well. I use my 
> right thumb for pressing the space bar and I find its position slightly too 
> far to the right.
> 3. There are the 20 cursor routing buttons over each cell, but no markers 
> every 5 like on most displays with routing buttons.
> --I had three other braille displays on my desk when I read this comment – 
> from three different manufacturers – ranging in age from four months to 
> fifteen years, and cell length from 20 to 40.  None of them have these marker 
> every five spaces that are mentioned here. I believe what you refer to is the 
> quirk of one particular company, but not present in at least three of them.
>  
> 4. The keyboard is ergonomically designed with the slight curve. The space 
> bars are below the braille cells, which is fine for me but I know some people 
> prefer the space bar closer to the keyboard.
> The keys have more play in them than I expected. They feel a little spongy.
> 5. The case makes it look like a hardback book. It opens just like a book 
> cover, with the spine on the back of the unit leaving the front thumb keys 
> exposed.  The best word I can think of is, "cute."
> 6. The braille feels better 

RE: NLS eReader by Humanware observations

[William James]

I was looking at this thread last night and did a search for Zoomax’s braille 
display manual some time ago.  I could not get to it last night.  I did get it 
today and here is the manual for those of you who are curious about this device.
 
Zoomax NLS Braille eReader EMZ-20 Baille e-Reader User Manual Hangzhou Rejoin 
Tech (fccid.io)
 
 
Sent from Mail for Windows
 
From: Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2021 7:36 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: NLS eReader by Humanware observations
 
It is so easy, and I think better, to use its onboard feature to download books 
from NLS, rather than going through the extra steps of downloading it through 
Bard mobile then putting it on the card.
 

 
Richard 
"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss 
people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt
 
www.turner42.com
 


On Aug 15, 2021, at 4:21 PM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:

I still like humanware displays and I really hope that that is the one
I will be able to get when they become sent out officially.  I don't
know why they have 2 space bars though.  I can think this is something
I will use in church for reading the Bible.  There are also some books
from bard, that it would be great to have in braille loaded with bard
mobile.

On 8/15/21, Richard Turner  wrote:

Updated version with the info about the cursor routing buttons made more
clear.
 
I have had the eReader from NLS made by Humanware for about three days.
My impressions are below, in no particular order.
1. The neck strap is cheap and not at all comfortable. It is too skinny, and
made out of a very rough material.
2. There are two space bars that for me, are not positioned well. I use my
right thumb for pressing the space bar and I find its position slightly too
far to the right.
3. There are cursor routing buttons over each of the 20 cells, but no
markers every 5 like on most displays with routing buttons.
4. The keyboard is ergonomically designed with the slight curve. The space
bars are below the braille cells, which is fine for me but I know some
people prefer the space bar closer to the keyboard.
The keys have more play in them than I expected. They feel a little spongy.
5. The case makes it look like a hardback book. It opens just like a book
cover, with the spine on the back of the unit leaving the front thumb keys
exposed.  The best word I can think of is, "cute."
6. The braille feels better to me than on the Humanware braille note touch
plus, but not quite as good as on the Orbit Readers.
7.  It does not have a note taker, but can be connected to a computer or a
smart phone to be used as a braille keyboard.
8.  The setup for Bluetooth devices is much like other Humanware displays.
It follows Humanware's logic, which is not my logic, but following the
instructions did work.
9.  NLS BARD login and download is very straight forward.
10.  Changing braille grades is slow.  Press Space+g and you have to wait
about 6 or 7 seconds before the grade shows up, Then, once the one you want
is on the display, wait another 6 or 7 seconds for the display to go back to
what you were doing.
11.  when used as a braille input device with an iPhone SE 2020, it works
pretty much as well as all displays work, which is very good.
12.  The battery life seems to be maybe 6 or 8 hours, hard to be sure yet.
13.  There is no internet browser, Wi-Fi is used for downloading BARD books
and updating the firmware.
14.  The wi-Fi set up was pretty straight forward, as Humanware devices go.
15.  I have not tried using it with the computer.
16.  It takes approximately 20 seconds to start up and about 17 seconds to
shut down.  Probably due to the Wi-Fi and Bluetooth functions, I am not
sure.
 
To get an eReader from NLS you have to contact your regional library for the
blind and sign up for braille materials, and then request the eReader.  If
you already receive braille materials, simply contact them and ask how to
get sign up for an eReader if your library is participating in the program
that is..
At this point, it is still considered a pilot program and you have to agree
to participate in several surveys at 2, 4, and 6 months after receiving the
device and of course, to return it if you are not going to use it.  If you
want, you can keep it after the pilot project is finished.
Oregon seems to be getting the Humanware device; some states are getting the
one from Zoomax.
There are YouTube videos walking through each device, settings, how to…,
etc..
Here is the physical description link for the Humanware device:
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Re: Bookshare experience

[William James]

When your braille display, (Mantis Q40), limits you on .BRF file size.  I hear 
that will be rectified.  There are no limits on the Orbit Readers.


Sent from my iPhone Pro Max

> On Aug 11, 2021, at 7:44 PM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
> 
> It is voice dream reader, not voice stream reader.  Bookshare is
> awesome.  I don't use it much on my iPhone, but the voice dream reader
> app is the way to go for the iPhone.  You can purchase so many very
> cool high quality voices to listen to your books.  I haven't quite
> finished a historical romance British book and I am using Neospeech
> Bridget to read the book.  She does a great job.  It is worth the
> money.
> 
>> On 8/11/21, Dean Martineau  wrote:
>> It really depends on your equipment. If I read in braille, I prefer to
>> download books into my HIMS device, which has a DAISY player. I play them in
>> DAISY but they are displayed in braille thanks to the device's translation
>> capability. I can then take advantage of DAISY navigation To skip around the
>> book. Otherwise, What you have been told is quite workable.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Traci
>> Duncan
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2021 6:04 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Bookshare experience
>> 
>> This is great. When folks read on their braille displays do you use brf?
>> When is it you’d use daisy?
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> Traci
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
 On Aug 11, 2021, at 11:46 AM, Andy Baracco  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Bookshare is great.  Yes, it costs $50 per year, and you keep what you
>>> download, and the neat thing is that if you somehow lose a book you have
>>> you can always go back and redownload it.  The books are available in a
>>> number of formats.
>>> 
>>> Andy
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Traci Duncan" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2021 7:13 AM
>>> Subject: Bookshare experience
>>> 
>>> 
 Hi all, I know very little about Bookshare. Could you let me know your
 experience with it?
 
 How do you read books on your iOs or Braille Display?
 Which formats do you use?
 
 It looks like the service is $50 a year. Do we keep the books we
 download?
 
 Thank you,
 Traci
 
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RE: Spatial audio, AirPods max and voice dream

[William James]

I was actually surprised it worked on my Airpods Pros last night.  I put on a 
book and put the phone down. I then walked around the house front to back and 
upstairs.  Nice!!!


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Mary Otten
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2021 11:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Spatial audio, AirPods max and voice dream

Hi richard,
Well, I thought it was straight up and down. I did try re-positioning the 
headphones a few times with no change. So this is very interesting. I really 
was surprised when you said it worked at all, sense as far as I know, the 
spatial audio etc. is supposed to be on music and videos. I will be curious if 
you can repeat this.


Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 30, 2021, at 5:26 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:
 It is hard to know how to describe the position the headphones need to be in. 
They have to be positioned just right.
Try taking them off and putting them back on in as straight up and down 
position as you can.
I'll try again later; they are on the charger right now.



Richard 
"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss 
people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

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On Jul 30, 2021, at 5:02 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
Unfortunately, I deleted the thread that richard started, and now I have a 
comment on the same topic, so I hope this is the list to which his original was 
posted. I just tried voice dream reader using my AirPods max, and I must say 
I’m not getting the spatial audio affect. You know, the sound is supposed to 
move around or something as you turn your head if your phones in the same 
place. Anyway, that’s not happening, and it doesn’t sound any different to my 
ears then regular audio. When I listen to a spacial audio cut with Apple Music, 
the sound also did not move to follow my head. I do have the feature turned on, 
accomplished by going into Bluetooth, finding the AirPods max, flicking down to 
more info and double tapping, and going through the settings there. So I am 
really at a loss here.
Mary


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Re: Spatial audio, AirPods max and voice dream

[William James]

Hi Mary,

Try Prime Video.  I would suggest Jack Ryan.  I am in Season 2 and the series 
is nothing like the books.  I love it nonetheless.  Some tracks on Apple Music 
are set for spatial audio, some are not.  VDR currently does not support this 
yet.  I tested it with Graphic Audio files I have.


Sent from my iPhone Pro Max

> On Jul 30, 2021, at 8:02 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Unfortunately, I deleted the thread that richard started, and now I have a 
> comment on the same topic, so I hope this is the list to which his original 
> was posted. I just tried voice dream reader using my AirPods max, and I must 
> say I’m not getting the spatial audio affect. You know, the sound is supposed 
> to move around or something as you turn your head if your phones in the same 
> place. Anyway, that’s not happening, and it doesn’t sound any different to my 
> ears then regular audio. When I listen to a spacial audio cut with Apple 
> Music, the sound also did not move to follow my head. I do have the feature 
> turned on, accomplished by going into Bluetooth, finding the AirPods max, 
> flicking down to more info and double tapping, and going through the settings 
> there. So I am really at a loss here.
> Mary
> 
> 
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Re: Accessible smoker?

[William James]

Hello Mary,

I know what you mean by an accessible smoker.  Mike Calvo got a smoker made by 
Pitboss which was not accessible.  He got another one made by Traeger which was 
accessible.

I have a Weber 22 inch original premium grill which I use to smoke on.  I also 
have the Weber Connect Smart Hub.  This comes with a temperature probe you can 
connect to the grate.  It also comes with a meat probe.  You can find it at 
Amazon. 

I think you are better off with a kettle.  It costs $175.00 and the Smart 
Connect hub costs $129.00.

If you want to smoke something, use a method called the Snake Method.  I have 
done wings, ribs, and numerous other foods.

The Snake method is quite easy.   You put two rows of charcoal around the 
bottom of your grill.  Make sure they are side by side.  Next, stack two more 
rows on top of what you previously did.  After that, put a few wood smoke 
chunks toward the start of your snake.

To light your snake, start it out by separating  at least eight charcoal 
pieces.  I would recommend starter cubes.  They are more reliable than lighter 
fluid.   From those eight pieces you lit, put a small piece of smoke wood in 
between the starting eight and the actual snake.  When you smell the wood, 
you’re ready to put the grate on and monitor your temperature.

What charcoal to use?  I use Royal Oak for smoking.

This is a lot, but hopefully this will help you and others who may have 
questions.

Sorry mods for the slight off topic post.

Sent from my iPhone Pro Max

> On Jul 5, 2021, at 12:17 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
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> With all of the new HomeKit things coming out and Internet of things stuff 
> in general, I’m wondering if anyone knows of an accessible smoker. I know 
> there are some with some very fancy price tags which claim to have 
> connectivity. I’m just wondering if those are really usable totally 
> independently by a blind person. No site required at all.
> Mary
> 
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Re: how to listen to MLB games on iPhone

[William James]

If you have the All Access plan, you can hear some of the games in stereo with 
the Sirius XM app or StarPlayrX.   Otherwise MLB.

Sent from my iPhone Pro Max

> On Apr 9, 2021, at 9:46 AM, Dennis Long  wrote:
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> 
> What app do you need to listen to games on the iPhone?
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Re: how do I use seeing AI to read me a barcode?, am having trouble

[William James]

You can also use the documents channel for seeing AI to scan directions. It 
will seem to be a bit disjointed, but if you are patient and listen to it, you 
will be able to figure that out.

Sent from my iPhone Pro Max

> On Mar 31, 2021, at 12:26 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> The More Info is completely determined by the manufacturer.
> Lean Cuisine often has complete cooking instructions.
> While some, yes, are just an ad.
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> 
> Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
> realize that you are in a hurry.
> 
> 
> My web site, www.turner42.com
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Traci 
> Duncan
> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2021 9:18 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: how do I use seeing AI to read me a barcode?, am having trouble
> 
> I use this feature often. The biggest struggle is locating the barcode on the 
> item. Once located though, SeeingAI reads it nearly every time. 
> 
> Something I'm not clear about is the additional information from the barcode. 
> Sometimes there are cooking directions, sometimes a bit of nutrition, other 
> times it feels like an add for the product. My favorite is when cooking 
> directions come up.
> 
> A tip for myFitnessPal users, find the barcode with SeeingAI first, then scan 
> it with MyFitnessPal. The beeps from SeeingAI are helpful.
> 
> HTH,
> Traci
> 
> 
>> On Mar 30, 2021, at 2:43 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Oh yeah, Hollie, it could be that I used short text. 
>> 
>> I know that on long text, it will read an entire 8 1/2 x 11 typed page. 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Holly
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2021 5:18 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: how do I use seeing AI to read me a barcode?, am having trouble
>> 
>> Josh:
>> 
>> I have never had much luck with the bar code reader in Seeing A I.  Have 
>> better luck with the 'short text' feature to read the front of the label.
>> 
>> If you still want to use the bar code feature, double tap on it and the bar 
>> code is usually to the left of the label seam on the bottom. 
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Re: feedback

[William James]

You can also type this into the address bar of Safari:

applefeedback://


Sent from my iPhone Pro Max

> On Jan 7, 2021, at 12:53 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> I would also send the feedback to accessibil...@apple.com
> Even if it isn't specifically VoiceOver related, since you use VoiceOver, it 
> wouldn't hurt to keep them in the loop as well.
> I often do both.
> 
> 
> 
> Richard, in the U.S.
> 
> "You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a 
> Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of asphyxiation in 
> deep space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I 
> was young."
> "Why, what did she tell you?"
> "I don't know, I didn't listen."
> -- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy
> 
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> * 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Wayne 
> Merritt
> Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2021 9:36 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: feedback
> 
> I think there is a general feedback form located at:
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.apple.com%2Ffeedbackdata=04%7C01%7C%7C190420b86d754ea522d208d8b332b37a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637456377621963943%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=BNfZUh%2BMI1IzEjqmeXuP2PmvA3CdR2zh%2BFsaFih8%2B8o%3Dreserved=0
> Note that this is a rather long form, so be prepared to take some time. I've 
> filled it out once before and there are many specific questions about which 
> device, operating system, program and other items you are using.
> 
> Good luck,
> Wayne
> 
>> On 1/7/21, Robert Doc Wright  wrote:
>> How do I send Apple feedback when I am not a beta tester?
>> I want to send one concerning the iCloud backup on the iPhone.
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Re: Does Voice dream Reader now support librivox

[William James]

If you want your Audible books on VDR, give InAudible 1.97 a look.  You already 
bought the book, so this is legal.


Sent from my iPhone Pro Max

> On Oct 1, 2020, at 8:54 AM, Russ Kiehne  wrote:
> 
> libro.fm isn't the same thing as LibriVox.
> 
> -Original Message- From: Richard Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2020 7:13 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Does Voice dream Reader now support librivox
> 
> You might be better off using the app, but if you want the Voice Dream Reader 
> controls, it would be worth trying it out.
> I plan to try adding libro.fm just to see if it works since I have joined 
> that instead of audible since Libro.fm gives half of the money to a local 
> bookstore of your choice.
> Their app is fine, but if I could have the books in Voice dream more easily, 
> great!
> The nice thing about Libro.fm is that they are MP3 files, no DRM, so you can 
> play them in any app.
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Russ 
> Kiehne
> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2020 7:07 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Does Voice dream Reader now support librivox
> 
> I see, you have to add it as a web source?
> 
> I'm better off using the app.  see below:
> 
> The LibriVox Audio Books app makes it easy to search for free audio books, as 
> well as classic radio dramas.  You can browse by title, author or genre, look 
> at new recordings, or search by keyword.  Because the books are free, you can 
> listen to as much or as little of a book as you like with no cost.
> The app remembers your position, so when you return to a book later, you can 
> start listening at the place where you left off, and includes a sleep timer 
> for your convenience.
> 
> To see the LibriVox catalog on the web, visit 
> https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flibrivox.bookdesign.biz%2Fdata=02%7C01%7C%7Cafa7e52793514c73837608d8654a2e19%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637370716558316813sdata=dNVSBATu5Gmlr9zQ4gzHlhn2k%2BTPbx3qyYapXUruIjc%3Dreserved=0
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Richard Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2020 6:22 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Does Voice dream Reader now support librivox
> 
> Yes, it is not there by default, but once yu add it, or no doubt other web 
> sources, they will just be there when you hit add.
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward
> Herbert
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Joshua Hendrickson
> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2020 6:21 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Does Voice dream Reader now support librivox
> 
> Russ, if I go to my add option librivox is one of the choices.
> Richard is correct you do have to go to settings then content sources and
> add it in there, but once that is done it should show up in the add options
> list.
> 
>> On 9/30/20, Richard Turner  wrote:
>> Go to content sources under settings, go to add a web content source
>> at the bottom, start typing lib in the text field and flick right and
>> it will show up there.
>> Beyond that, I cannot say much.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must
>> pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of
>> ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have
>> regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted
>> extending it.)" - Edward Herbert
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Russ Kiehne
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2020 5:50 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Does Voice dream Reader now support librivox
>> 
>> ON another list I belong to, some one says that his voice dream reader
>> supports librivox under the add option?
>> Is this true?
>> 
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Re: Groups.io iOS app in beta and looking for testers was RE: [iDevices] Groups.io looking for IOS Beta testers.

[William James]

An interesting one that I discovered today is the edit box where you type in 
your message is not recognized by voiceover. The subject field is, but the edit 
box where your message goes is not. I have already reported this one.

Sent from my iPhone Pro Max

> On Feb 15, 2020, at 3:31 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Since I don’t run any groups, I cannot help with that, but you could send 
> Feedback through Textflight to the developer and see what’s up.
> I can now see all the groups I belong to after having created a password and 
> gotten signed in.
>  
> I’ll be interested to see where this goes.
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
>  
>  Live long and prosper
>  
>  
> Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Maria 
> Reyes
> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2020 11:22 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Groups.io iOS app in beta and looking for testers was RE: 
> [iDevices] Groups.io looking for IOS Beta testers.
>  
> So I just installed it and I can't figure out how to get to the admin 
> controls of my group. 
> 
> 
> On Feb 15, 2020, at 10:50 AM, Alex Stone  wrote:
> 
>  I’ve already signed up.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On 15 Feb 2020, at 15:15, Alan Lemly  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi List,
>  
> Mark Fletcher who developed the Groups.io website is working on a Groups.io 
> iOS app. Those wishing to beta test the app in order to provide accessibility 
> feedback can check out this link:
>  
> https://beta.groups.io/g/app/message/2
>  
> The below email history contains the original post about this beta test made 
> to another list as well as a reply I made to that post. For those interested 
> who already have TestFlight installed on their iOS device, you can sign up to 
> beta test Groups.io directly from your device with this link:
>  
> https://testflight.apple.com/join/3rOzgkjA
>  
> I have played a bit with the Groups.io beta version and it seems very 
> accessible although I know the developer would welcome as much feedback as 
> possible.
>  
> Alan Lemly
>  
> Robert,
>  
> For those who already have beta tested iOS apps and already have the 
> TestFlight app installed on their device, go to the following link with your 
> device to sign up to beta test the Groups.io app under development:
>  
> https://testflight.apple.com/join/3rOzgkjA
>  
> The app seems very accessible although I've only played around a bit with it.
>  
> Alan Lemly
>  
> From: idevi...@groups.io [mailto:idevi...@groups.io] On Behalf Of Robert 
> Kingett
> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2020 7:24 AM
> To: idevi...@groups.io
> Subject: [iDevices] Groups.io looking for IOS Beta testers.
>  
> Hey all. Take a look at the below message and share far and wide, to people 
> who want to beta test this IOS app. I know you can login via the website, but 
> still, Mark wants to make an app for the groups IO mailing list system. Read 
> the below, and the subsequent link, and have at it.
> 
> Hi All, A lot of work on accessibility was just merged into the app. It's not 
> complete (like the app itself), but many of the screens and menus should be 
> accessible now. If you use a screen reader on iOS and are interested in 
> giving feedback, please join the app subgroup and install the app, following 
> the instructions here:
> 
> https://beta.groups.io/g/app/message/2
> 
> All app feedback should be sent to the app subgroup. Thanks, Mark
> 
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Re: Test Drive an Orbits Reader Display Anyone? I Don't think so

[William James]

That tells me that there is a communication breakdown. The left-hand damn sure 
does not know what the right hand is doing. I will refrain from responding upon 
this point from here. It might get me kicked off this list.

Sent from my iPhone X

> On Mar 16, 2019, at 6:55 PM, Andy Baracco  wrote:
> 
> What I was told is that APH is temporarily out of stock.  Needless to say 
> that the folks manning their booth at CSUN were clueless.
>  
> Andy
>  
> - Original Message -----
> From: William James
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2019 7:43 AM
> Subject: Re: Test Drive an Orbits Reader Display Anyone? I Don't think so
> 
> You can purchase the Orbit Reader 20 from 
> http://www.orbitresearch.com/product/tactile-products/orbit-reader-20/
> 
> Sent from my iPhone X
> 
>> On Mar 16, 2019, at 9:56 AM, Bill Outman  wrote:
>> 
>> Agreed.  It would be good to know who will pick up the sales and 
>> distribution if APH is going to be out of the picture.  
>> 
>> Bill Outman 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Kay Malmquist
>> Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 6:26 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Test Drive an Orbits Reader Display Anyone? I Don't think so
>> 
>> Apparently there is a problem between the Transforming Braille group and the 
>> manufacturer and as I was told by someone at APH yesterday, they don't think 
>> they will be selling the Orbit reader any time soon, if at all.  That is all 
>> I was told.  I think someone needs to come out and let everybody know what 
>> is actually going on.
>> 
>> Kay Malmquist
>> kay.malmqu...@gmail.com
>> 
>> Till we speak again,
>> may the warm winds of Heaven
>> blow softly upon your house,
>> may the great spirit bless all who enter there, may your moccasins make 
>> happy tracks in many snows, And may the rainbow always touch your shoulder.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Bill Outman" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 1:46 AM
>> Subject: RE: Test Drive an Orbits Reader Display Anyone? I Don't think so
>> 
>> 
>> That's surprising, because I know they had one at the NFB national 
>> convention last year, and I looked it over.
>> 
>> I'm interested in one, just need to work on financing, as my funds are 
>> tight.
>> 
>> One of my fellow local chapter members has one that I looked at again 
>> recently.  I am impressed by the crispness of the display, the fact the 
>> cells can be easily felt, a factor for me in attempting to read Braille.
>> 
>> It could double as my Bluetooth keyboard.
>> 
>> Bill Outman
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of M. Taylor
>> Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 1:18 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Test Drive an Orbits Reader Display Anyone? I Don't think so
>> 
>> Hello Everyone,
>> 
>> Today, I went to the exhibit hall at the 2019 CSUN Assistive Technology 
>> Conference here in southern California.
>> 
>> Among other goals, I was interested in test driving a few Braille displays 
>> for use with my iOS devices.
>> 
>> Imagine my surprise when I arrived at the A.P.H. booth and discovered that 
>> they had no Orbit Reader 20s on hand for visitors to explore.  While I was 
>> there, 2 other people walked up and asked about the Orbit Reader 20 and were 
>> equally disappointed at the lack of a demo model.
>> 
>> I did, however, get a look at an entire host of other BRaile displays, from 
>> other companies, including the latest version of the Focus 40.  Now, that, 
>> is a beautiful device.
>> 
>> Regardless, I was sorely disappointed at not having an opportunity to test 
>> drive the Orbit Reader 20 Braille display.
>> 
>> And the beat goes on,
>> 
>> Mark
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Re: Test Drive an Orbits Reader Display Anyone? I Don't think so

[William James]

You can purchase the Orbit Reader 20 from 
http://www.orbitresearch.com/product/tactile-products/orbit-reader-20/

Sent from my iPhone X

> On Mar 16, 2019, at 9:56 AM, Bill Outman  wrote:
> 
> Agreed.  It would be good to know who will pick up the sales and distribution 
> if APH is going to be out of the picture.  
> 
> Bill Outman 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Kay Malmquist
> Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 6:26 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Test Drive an Orbits Reader Display Anyone? I Don't think so
> 
> Apparently there is a problem between the Transforming Braille group and the 
> manufacturer and as I was told by someone at APH yesterday, they don't think 
> they will be selling the Orbit reader any time soon, if at all.  That is all 
> I was told.  I think someone needs to come out and let everybody know what is 
> actually going on.
> 
> Kay Malmquist
> kay.malmqu...@gmail.com
> 
> Till we speak again,
> may the warm winds of Heaven
> blow softly upon your house,
> may the great spirit bless all who enter there, may your moccasins make happy 
> tracks in many snows, And may the rainbow always touch your shoulder.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Bill Outman" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 1:46 AM
> Subject: RE: Test Drive an Orbits Reader Display Anyone? I Don't think so
> 
> 
> That's surprising, because I know they had one at the NFB national 
> convention last year, and I looked it over.
> 
> I'm interested in one, just need to work on financing, as my funds are 
> tight.
> 
> One of my fellow local chapter members has one that I looked at again 
> recently.  I am impressed by the crispness of the display, the fact the 
> cells can be easily felt, a factor for me in attempting to read Braille.
> 
> It could double as my Bluetooth keyboard.
> 
> Bill Outman
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
> Of M. Taylor
> Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 1:18 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Test Drive an Orbits Reader Display Anyone? I Don't think so
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> Today, I went to the exhibit hall at the 2019 CSUN Assistive Technology 
> Conference here in southern California.
> 
> Among other goals, I was interested in test driving a few Braille displays 
> for use with my iOS devices.
> 
> Imagine my surprise when I arrived at the A.P.H. booth and discovered that 
> they had no Orbit Reader 20s on hand for visitors to explore.  While I was 
> there, 2 other people walked up and asked about the Orbit Reader 20 and were 
> equally disappointed at the lack of a demo model.
> 
> I did, however, get a look at an entire host of other BRaile displays, from 
> other companies, including the latest version of the Focus 40.  Now, that, 
> is a beautiful device.
> 
> Regardless, I was sorely disappointed at not having an opportunity to test 
> drive the Orbit Reader 20 Braille display.
> 
> And the beat goes on,
> 
> Mark
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Re: Transferring files onto an Iphone for use with Voice Dream reader

[William James]

I fully agree with this. No BS, just straight forward getting what you want.

Sent from my iPhone X

> On Dec 28, 2018, at 12:38 PM, Ann Byrne  wrote:
> 
> I use Dropbox.  Place the file in Dropbox, then transfer it to Voice Dream.
> At 11:03 AM 12/28/2018, you wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Apps have been removed from iTunes in the sense that you can't use iTunes to 
>> download or update apps. File sharing is still there, though, so you can use 
>> iTunes to transfer files into your apps.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Anna
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> > On Dec 28, 2018, at 8:42 AM, Russ Kiehne  wrote:
>> >
>> > Yes, itunes file sharing is in the current version of itunes.
>> >
>> > -Original Message- From: 'Gary Robinson' via VIPhone
>> > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2018 6:20 AM
>> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> > Subject: Re: Transferring files onto an Iphone for use with Voice Dream 
>> > reader
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > Is Itunes file sharing still available in the latest version of Itunes?
>> > When I looked in the Voice dream reader user guide it spoke about
>> > choosing Apps and selecting voice dream reader and then selecting the
>> > file to be transferred.
>> >
>> > I can't find any reference to apps in my current version of Itunes and I
>> > vaguely remember some discussions on this list about apps being removed
>> > from Itunes.
>> >
>> > Any help welcome.
>> >
>> >
>> > Gary
>> >
>> >
>> > On 24/12/2018 16:59, ndagosti...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> Hello:
>> >>
>> >> I have used Dropbox and Google drive and have had success.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -Original Message-
>> >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> >> Russ Kiehne
>> >> Sent: Monday, December 24, 2018 10:07 AM
>> >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> >> Subject: Re: Transferring files onto an Iphone for use with Voice Dream 
>> >> reader
>> >>
>> >> I use itunes file sharing to tramsfer files into voice dream reader.
>> >>
>> >> -Original Message-
>> >> From: 'Gary Robinson' via VIPhone
>> >> Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2018 4:22 PM
>> >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> >> Subject: Transferring files onto an Iphone for use with Voice Dream reader
>> >>
>> >> Hi all,
>> >>
>> >> Any advice on the best way to transfer audio books etc onto an Iphone for 
>> >> use with Voice Dream reader?  I looked at SD card readers with Lightening 
>> >> connectors but it looks as if these only work for photographs and not 
>> >> files of other formats.
>> >>
>> >> Any pointers to podcasts on doing the transfer would be useful.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Many thanks
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Gary
>> >>
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Re: Synching Audible book on to Apple watch

[William James]

You will have to get Holy Ghost! That is a very good one too!

Sent from my iPhone X

> On Nov 11, 2018, at 6:30 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Just out of curiocity I just tried it again with the book Deep Freeze by John 
> Sandford (that fucking Flowers is one of my favourites)!
> Sorry, for those who don't know the Virgil Flowers books by John Sandford, 
> that's usually how the agent from the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal 
> Apprehension is referred to.
> Anyhow, it's a 10 hour 2 minute book, it's been saying "Cancel syncing" for a 
> while when I checked which indicates it should still be syncing.
> After maybe 20 minutes it now says:
> Paired Apple Watch is not responding
> Connect your watch to a charger, make sure airplane mode on Apple Watch is 
> turned off and try connecting your watch and phone again.
> So yes, this works great, it's such a smooth experience that it makes we want 
> to immediately delete the Audible app from my Apple Watch and just use my 
> iPhone or Alexa enabled speakers where listening to a book just works.
> 
> 
> Original Message-
> From: 'Gary Robinson' via VIPhone  
> Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2018 1:11 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Synching Audible book on to Apple watch
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Has anyone managed to successfully sync and Audible book from their 
> IPHONE across to their APPLE watch?
> 
> I am running the latest IOS and watch OS on my IPHONE 6  and watch 
> series 2.  All I get is a message saying "can't communicate with watch" 
> which is strange as I can ping the phone from the watch and all my other 
> Apps communicate across the two devices fine.
> 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
> Gary
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Re: ANOTHER QUESTION ON THE WATCH

[William James]

I find it the other workouts to start after 15 minutes of brisk walking as 
well. What you do is you tell Siri to start an out door walk.

Sent from my iPhone X

> On Nov 11, 2018, at 12:30 PM, lenron brown  wrote:
> 
> This is a little annoying I have noticed this. How do I go in and
> select work outs I want then?
> 
>> On 11/11/18, Todd W  wrote:
>> I find this true with my series 3 watch as well.
>> 
>> Todd
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 1:26 AM Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Anna, maybe the newer watches are better at this, but my series 2
>>> watch
>>> will only detect an outdoor walk after 15 minutes and I have to walk
>>> quite
>>> fast for this to work, if I walk normally it doesn't kick in. I read that
>>> this is done intentionally so it doesn't necessarily ask if you are
>>> working
>>> out if all you do is walk to the store which is 5 minutes down the
>>> street.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>>> Anna Dresner
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2018 9:54 AM
>>> To: VIPhone Mailing List 
>>> Subject: Re: ANOTHER QUESTION ON THE WATCH
>>> 
>>> Hi Carol,
>>> 
>>> The easiest thing is to ask Siri to start the kind of workout you want.
>>> However, with Watch OS 5, the watch will usually detect when you've
>>> started
>>> a workout if you forget to tell it ahead of time. It will make a guess as
>>> to the kind of workout you are doing, and you can accept that guess or
>>> pick
>>> the right kind. It can also detect when you've stopped working out and
>>> ask
>>> if you want it to stop recording one.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Anna
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Nov 10, 2018, at 6:44 AM, 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone <
>>> viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:
 
 Hi all.
 
 
 Am I right in thinking that, if I wish to do some kind of workout, I
>>> need to select which one before starting? Can these be acted upon by the
>>> watch?
 
 
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Re: how to buy on iPh"o X and iBooks

[William James]

The “side” button is the button that you use for Siri.  Simply double tap that 
button.  Then you will either be prompted for the password for your Apple ID or 
you will use Face ID.

Hope this helps.

Sent from my iPad Pro

> On Sep 10, 2018, at 2:14 PM, regina alvarado  
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> I have an iPhone X. Every time I buy something it says to confirm with the 
> side button. I am trying to get a book that is not out yet. I went through 
> tapping the button that has the price and it asked me to confirm with the 
> side button. Oh, by the way, this is in iBooks. When I touched the side 
> button it went back to the price again with no message that I had preordered 
> the book. I thought face ID was all I needed, but it seems not. How do I 
> check if the book has been preordered so I don't order again, and how do I 
> order with iPhone X? If possible, can someone answer ASAP because I will be 
> very busy for the rest of the week. Thank you in advance. 
> 
> 
> Reggie and Lex
> God said, "I need somebody strong enough to pull sleds and find bombs, yet 
> gentle enough to love babies and lead the blind. Somebody who will spend all 
> day on a couch with a resting head and supportive eyes to lift the spirits of 
> a broken heart." So God made a dog.
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Re: Bluetooth Speaker question

[William James]

Unfortunately, no. However, it is fun messing with other people with voiceover. 
LOL!

Sent from my iPhone 7 Plus

> On Dec 14, 2017, at 3:37 PM, denise Avant <denise.av...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks. I understand. I was wondering if it was one of those speakers where 
> you pushed one of the buttons and it would switch between devices.
> Thanks again for all your help.
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> William James
> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 7:57 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Bluetooth Speaker question
>  
> Yes, you can connect up to three devices. When you have VoiceOver on all 
> three devices, it can get a little bit confusing. Whatever device is 
> outputting sound will take control of the speaker.
> The steps I gave above were to enable what’s called party mode. This means 
> you can have more than one speaker connected via a chain of sorts. The 
> speaker that is hooked up to the phone is the master speaker, and the other 
> is the sleeve. So, you could put the other speaker in another room.
>  
> My wife, Denise, and I have a speaker. When I cook out, she likes to connect 
> her speaker to mine and we have full coverage. I am outside, and she is 
> inside. It is pretty neat!
>  
> Sent from my iPhone 7 Plus
> 
> On Dec 13, 2017, at 7:58 PM, denise Avant <denise.av...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> Thank you. I just need to clarify. The app is an IOS app? For now I have just 
> the one. Also, I thought that they could connect on up to three devices, 
> e.g., your iphone, ipad and computer? Is that not right?
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> William James
> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 6:28 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Bluetooth Speaker question
>  
> Hi Denise,
>  
> First, you will need the JBL Connect app to rename your speakers and to 
> update the firmware.
>  
> Next, here are the buttons from left to right:
>  
> Bluetooth
> Volume down
> Volume up
> Power
> Shuffle
> Play/pause
>  
> On the power button, there is a small button on the right side of the power 
> button.  Press that button on each speaker to have the audio simultaneously 
> play all three speakers.
>  
> As for your question about using the speaker to answer calls, you press the 
> play/pause button to answer.
>  
> I hope this helps.
>  
>  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 7 Plus
> 
> On Dec 13, 2017, at 9:37 AM, denise Avant <denise.av...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> I was wondering if anyone owned the JBL 3 Charge speaker? If so, I was 
> searching for an accessible copy of the manual, but could not locate it. 
> Absent that, what I am actually looking for is how to connect to three 
> devices, and switch back and forth between the three. I also wanted to know 
> how to use the speaker as a speaker phone when connected to my iPhone. Thanks 
> in advance for any help.
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Re: Bluetooth Speaker question

[William James]

Yes, you can connect up to three devices. When you have VoiceOver on all three 
devices, it can get a little bit confusing. Whatever device is outputting sound 
will take control of the speaker.
The steps I gave above were to enable what’s called party mode. This means you 
can have more than one speaker connected via a chain of sorts. The speaker that 
is hooked up to the phone is the master speaker, and the other is the sleeve. 
So, you could put the other speaker in another room.

My wife, Denise, and I have a speaker. When I cook out, she likes to connect 
her speaker to mine and we have full coverage. I am outside, and she is inside. 
It is pretty neat!

Sent from my iPhone 7 Plus

> On Dec 13, 2017, at 7:58 PM, denise Avant <denise.av...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> Thank you. I just need to clarify. The app is an IOS app? For now I have just 
> the one. Also, I thought that they could connect on up to three devices, 
> e.g., your iphone, ipad and computer? Is that not right?
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> William James
> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 6:28 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Bluetooth Speaker question
>  
> Hi Denise,
>  
> First, you will need the JBL Connect app to rename your speakers and to 
> update the firmware.
>  
> Next, here are the buttons from left to right:
>  
> Bluetooth
> Volume down
> Volume up
> Power
> Shuffle
> Play/pause
>  
> On the power button, there is a small button on the right side of the power 
> button.  Press that button on each speaker to have the audio simultaneously 
> play all three speakers.
>  
> As for your question about using the speaker to answer calls, you press the 
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Re: Bluetooth Speaker question

[William James]

My mistake, the power button is in between the volume down which is a minus 
sign and the volume up which is a plus sign.


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> Hi Denise,
> 
> First, you will need the JBL Connect app to rename your speakers and to 
> update the firmware.
> 
> Next, here are the buttons from left to right:
> 
> Bluetooth
> Volume down
> Volume up
> Power
> Shuffle
> Play/pause
> 
> On the power button, there is a small button on the right side of the power 
> button.  Press that button on each speaker to have the audio simultaneously 
> play all three speakers.
> 
> As for your question about using the speaker to answer calls, you press the 
> play/pause button to answer.
> 
> I hope this helps.
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 7 Plus
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>> 
>> Hello all,
>> I was wondering if anyone owned the JBL 3 Charge speaker? If so, I was 
>> searching for an accessible copy of the manual, but could not locate it. 
>> Absent that, what I am actually looking for is how to connect to three 
>> devices, and switch back and forth between the three. I also wanted to know 
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>> Thanks in advance for any help.
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Re: Bluetooth Speaker question

[William James]

Hi Denise,

First, you will need the JBL Connect app to rename your speakers and to update 
the firmware.

Next, here are the buttons from left to right:

Bluetooth
Volume down
Volume up
Power
Shuffle
Play/pause

On the power button, there is a small button on the right side of the power 
button.  Press that button on each speaker to have the audio simultaneously 
play all three speakers.

As for your question about using the speaker to answer calls, you press the 
play/pause button to answer.

I hope this helps.



Sent from my iPhone 7 Plus

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> I was wondering if anyone owned the JBL 3 Charge speaker? If so, I was 
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> Absent that, what I am actually looking for is how to connect to three 
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Re: Can’t lock the screen and read with voice dream reader in iOS 11.1

[William James]

You don’t have to go that far. All you have to do is close the app from the app 
switcher. I get this same problem every now and then in the and LS Bard app.

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> Mary,
> On my iPod Touch 6 and my iPhone 5s,  running iOS 11.1 and the latest version 
> of Voice Dream Reader, playing while locked works the same as always.
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> (Sent from the iPod Touch 6)
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> On Nov 3, 2017, at 8:54 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
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>> This is on iPhone 7 Plus. Are used to be able to lock the screen and 
>> continue reading with Voice Dream. But now, and I’ve tried it in more than 
>> one book, if I lock the screen, reading stops.
>> Mary
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Re: 11.1

[William James]

Don’t forget, when you update the OS, it’s indexes everything all over again. 
It is common for your battery to do this, as processor intensive tasks are 
being performed. Give it a couple of days, and your battery should straighten 
itself out.

Sent from my iPhone 7 Plus

> On Oct 31, 2017, at 7:48 PM, kelby carlson  wrote:
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> Updated this afternoon and have been experiencing horrible battery drain. 
> Percentage dropped by 20% in about half an hour.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Oct 31, 2017, at 7:41 PM, Nancy Badger  wrote:
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>> Not only does the rotor bug in mail appear to be fixed, but my phone is in 
>> general acting much more snappy. It is quicker, used to have a huge lag 
>> time. I am very happy with the update. By the way I have a 6+
>> 
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>> Executive Director of Counseling
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Re: Totally Off Topic; Advice/help Needed

[William James]

Try inclusiveandroid.com.  It is similar to applevis.com.



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> I have a friend who is getting an android phone.
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> If anyone knows of a good tutorial that would help learning their version of 
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Re: Update on voice dream reader

[William James]

I always important books from my dropbox. Therefore, all of the books that I 
want to read and will want to read or backed up automatically.

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> Hello everyone, seeing as not very many people help me get a direct answer to 
> my question, but only inquired on my desire to download books, I figured that 
> I would at least be courteous, as there are people also with this group 
> facing the same problem I had. Today, as I find iTunes on a computer not very 
> accessible, my sister-in-law came over and bless her heart without her I 
> wouldn’t have my books back. We went into iTunes, and copied the library from 
> voice dream reader onto my computer. Upon doing this, we then plug in my iPad 
> which by the way, we bought back in December, and very stream has not allowed 
> us to do cloud sync correctly since that time. We were able to take the books 
> from the iTunes library, that were copied onto my hard drive on my computer 
> and then placed all of them into the voice stream library on the iPad. Now 
> finally, all of my books are on my iPad with a fresh download of voice dream 
> reader. This tells me, that the latest update may be OK, however, something 
> happened in its download on my iPhone. So just letting you all know that if 
> you think you may lose your books you may want to make a back up every 
> several months of your library through iTunes. Hopefully this helps someone
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Re: Don’t you think that ios Voiceover sound scheme need some change now?

[William James]

The best VoiceOver sound scheme is off. I can’t stand the voiceover sounds I 
must be getting old, because it is extremely nerve-racking to me.

Sent from my iPhone 7 Plus

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> seen that voiceover sound scheme on Iphone has remained untouched and
> unchanged since iphone4. Sometimes, I think that the old sound scheme
> does not go well with the esthetics and beauty of the present days
> Iphones. Does anyone also  echo my concerns, or am I the lonely seeker
> in the  journey of the quest of more pleasing voiceover sound schemes?
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Re: wish apple didn't eliminate posting to facebook with siri in IOS 11

[William James]

It does not appear you can. However, you can share webpages and other items but 
not through Siri. I have really not  used that feature from Siri.

Sent from my iPhone 7 Plus

> On Sep 21, 2017, at 12:23 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
> 
> Yes, but can you tell SIRI to do it?
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> William James
> Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 9:22 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: wish apple didn't eliminate posting to facebook with siri in IOS 
> 11
>  
> You can still post to Facebook and Twitter on iOS 11. All you have to do is 
> install the official Twitter and Facebook apps.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 7 Plus
> 
> On Sep 21, 2017, at 10:48 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
> 
> It will probably come back but it will be something Facebook and Twitter have 
> to do and Apple has to allow them to do it.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
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> Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 7:43 AM
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> Subject: wish apple didn't eliminate posting to facebook with siri in IOS 11
>  
> One of the main reasons I’m not upgrading to IOS 11, is the fact that you can 
> no longer say to siri post to twitter, or facebook.
> I did that a lot, and that was easier for me to do, and I don’t know how the 
> rest of you feel about that, but just thought I would share that.  I hope 
> they will bring that back soon.
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Re: wish apple didn't eliminate posting to facebook with siri in IOS 11

[William James]

You can still post to Facebook and Twitter on iOS 11. All you have to do is 
install the official Twitter and Facebook apps.

Sent from my iPhone 7 Plus

> On Sep 21, 2017, at 10:48 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> It will probably come back but it will be something Facebook and Twitter have 
> to do and Apple has to allow them to do it.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
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> Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 7:43 AM
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> Subject: wish apple didn't eliminate posting to facebook with siri in IOS 11
>  
> One of the main reasons I’m not upgrading to IOS 11, is the fact that you can 
> no longer say to siri post to twitter, or facebook.
> I did that a lot, and that was easier for me to do, and I don’t know how the 
> rest of you feel about that, but just thought I would share that.  I hope 
> they will bring that back soon.
> Chris Judd
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Re: Screen Locked

[William James]

I actually prefer not to have the sounds on. They are extremely nerve-racking 
to me. I have never had them on my computer, so why should I have them on my 
phone?

Sent from my iPhone 7 Plus

> On Sep 9, 2017, at 9:56 AM, Reg Sullivan  wrote:
> 
> Well we certainly appreciate the straight forward instructions. We will see 
> what sounds we miss over the next few days and evaluate from there!
>  
> Thanks again to all.
>  
> Reg
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Esther Levegnale
> Sent: Friday, September 08, 2017 10:36 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Screen Locked
>  
> The reason for my having Sounds turned off was I was using my Braille display 
> to read a book and didn't want to hear the clicks when I advanced to the next 
> line.  I guess Apple felt that if Sounds was turned off, it would be able to 
> verbalize whether or not the screen was locked.  It didn't matter to me 
> because when I do have the Sounds turned on, I'd rather hear that tone than 
> the voice telling me that the screen was locked.  Anyway, to each his own, I 
> guess.
>  
> Esther
> 
> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!
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> On Sep 8, 2017, at 4:19 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Kind of a choice between a rock and a hard place, I certainly would not want 
> to have no sound effects at all  just to hear “screen locked”.
> It will be interesting to see if Apple gives users more control over this in 
> iOS 11, either take the “screen locked” message away completely and replace 
> it with a more unique sound or let people decide if they want to hear the 
> message but not at the expense of loosing all other sounds.
> In a way this is a trivial thing and I wonder who the heck at Apple has 
> nothing better to do than to come up with these things which of course also 
> take time to implement where they could spend that time fixing more important 
> issues.
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Esther Levegnale
> Sent: Friday, September 08, 2017 12:13 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroupscom
> Subject: Re: Screen Locked
>  
> in order to not hear the beep, you would need to turn sounds off in settings. 
> I heard the screen locked notification verbally when sounds were turned off. 
> I hope this helps. Esther
> 
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> 
> On Sep 8, 2017, at 11:23 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
>  
> You would probably have to go back to iOS 9, which you cannot.
> I think that disappeared somewhere in iOS 10.
> Maybe someone knows different, but I am fine with the sound.
> Richard
>  
> 
> On Sep 8, 2017, at 7:17 AM, Reg Sullivan  wrote:
> 
> I have an Iphone 6S with up to date software. Wondering what I need to change 
> in order to have voice over speak “screen Locked” instead of an audible beep.
>  
> Regards….Reg
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Re: Missing word game

[William James]

Unfortunately, i get this when attempting to download.
The developer of this app needs to update it to work with iOS 11.

Sent from my iPhone 7 Plus

> On Jul 29, 2017, at 5:32 PM, Donna  wrote:
> 
> Hi all
> 
> If you enjoy playing Word Ladder, you will enjoy playing Missing Word. The 
> game is fully accessible with voiceover. The app is Free, but has in app 
> purchases for more puzzle packs.  Here is the link.
> Missing Word by Sporcle, Inc
> https://appsto.re/us/QE1Qy.i
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Re: Dolphin easy reader, your thoughts?

[William James]

Hello Mary,
And voice dream reader, open audio settings, advanced audio settings while a 
text book is loaded. You can make your changes there. It does not work with the 
iOS voices, but it does work with the other voices you can purchase.


Sent from my iPhone 7 Plus

> On Jun 12, 2017, at 7:03 PM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> 
> As a tax payer, I'm not too worried about people who aren't blind using BARD. 
> I do think it's important though that the NLS work with publishers, 
> especially audio book publishers, to keep BARD books from being too widely 
> distributed and impacting the sales of audio books.
> 
>> On 10/06/17 13:03, Marie wrote:
>> I don't believe the NLS books should ever be readable in any other app 
>> besides the Bard Mobile. This is a service given to the handicapped in the 
>> US and it is our taxes which pay for it.
>> Marie
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Richard Turner
>> Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2017 7:17 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Dolphin easy reader, your thoughts?
>> 
>> I doubt it will ever read NLS books.
>> Voice dream Reader doesn't either.
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Russ Kiehne
>> Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2017 6:31 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Dolphin easy reader, your thoughts?
>> 
>> At this point in time, you can't use it to read books from NLS?
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Richard Turner
>> Sent: Friday, June 9, 2017 5:14 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Dolphin easy reader, your thoughts?
>> 
>> It looks interesting.
>> I did not check what they charge for the non-iOS voices.
>> Voice Dream has many great features too that I'm sure they drew on in their
>> development.
>> If you wait a little while, you may find Voice Dream Reader also will allow
>> for adjusting the pause between sentences.
>> 
>> At this point, I'll stick with Voice Dream as I like its layout, but this is
>> a good option for a lot of folks.  It is good to see they work with
>> Bookshare as well.
>> 
>> Though, I have to question their claim to having the largest accessible
>> library...
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Lev
>> Sent: Friday, June 9, 2017 4:05 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Dolphin easy reader, your thoughts?
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> there is newe book reader on appstore called dolphin easy reader, free,
>> it only requires of login using a dolphin account or sign up for a new
>> one, also free of charge.
>> 
>> 
>> What I find interesting is that while on this new app you can set up a
>> longer pause in between sentnces (using ios voices), the last VDR update
>> is uncapable of doing the same thing.
>> 
>> 
>> yeah, of course this app needs to be improved, but checking it out
>> rapidly its interface and settings is really basic and complete at the
>> same time for being free of charge.
>> 
>> 
>> This feature, add a longer pause in between sentences (for ios voices)
>> is very helpful if you are trying to learn another language.
>> 
>> 
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Re: Inaccessible hamburger

[William James]

In an accessible hamburger is a hamburger that suffers from mad cow disease. 
LOL!
Some of you may remember that.

Sent from my iPhone 7 Plus

> On Apr 5, 2017, at 6:53 PM, Mike Ulrich  wrote:
> 
> Just curious, is a non accessible hamburger nothing more than a burger gone 
> bad? A science fair project gone awry? LOL! JK!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Vicki
> Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2017 5:41 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Inaccessible hamburger
> 
> I got so irritated that someone, I think Allen, showed me how to label it as 
> the toolbar, since really, that is what it is. Now I am a happy camper!
> 
> Vicki
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Wayne Merritt" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2017 2:58 PM
> Subject: Re: Inaccessible hamburger
> 
> 
>> I'm not totally sure, but it appears to be for the menu button in the
>> upper left corner of the app, like when you want to view the menu of
>> categories or choices in an app.
>> 
>> Wayne
>> 
>>> On 4/5/17, Kimberly Samco  wrote:
>>> That reminds me...what is the hamburger icons?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Kim
>>> 
>>> 
 On Apr 5, 2017, at 11:03 AM, Bill Holton  wrote:
 
 I have a website I want to use where the hamburger is inaccessible. The
 swipe gesture skipped right over it. Can anyone suggest what they may be
 doing wrong so that I can explain it to them? Thanks.
 Bill
 
 
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Re: Apple Music

[William James]

Hi Terry,
Crossfade is similar to what you hear on the radio when one song ends and 
another one begins. You hear no silence, just the last song fading out, and  
the new one coming in.
 To change the equalizer settings, go to settings, play back, equalizer. The 
equalizer is meant to add more bass, mid level sound, or treble
I hope this helps.


Sent from my iPhone 7 Plus

> On Feb 9, 2017, at 6:40 PM, Terri Stimmel <icecreamlove...@outlook.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> Thank you for the responses regarding the differences between Apple Music, 
> and Spotify.
> 
> Well, I don't really make playlists. I just haven't ever seen the need to do 
> so.
> Also, I know what an equalizer is. But I did not know you could change this 
> with Spotify.
> How would you do this, and why would you want to do this?
> Also, what is cross-fade?
> I have heard the term over the years. But I never knew what it was.
> 
> I think I may give the Apple Music trial a try. It can't hurt, anyway.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Terri
> 
> Get Outlook for iOS
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 4:59 PM -0600, "William James" <wiljame...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
>> I prefer Spotify because of the 3 reasons below:
>> 
>> 1. Flexibility of the equalizer
>> 2. Cross-fading
>> 3. Robustness of playlists
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 7 Plus
>> 
>> On Feb 9, 2017, at 12:56 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
>> 
>>> For me the main reason is simply the fact I can use SIRI with Apple Music 
>>> to ask it to play something and while I don’t have an iPad, it’s accessed 
>>> just via the music app in iOS and I would definitely assume that it is 
>>> fully accessible, it certainly is on the phone. Of course it is also likely 
>>> that you do have the plit screens to deal with and more information on the 
>>> screen.
>>> I am different in that for me having an iPad would just be an expensive and 
>>> not at all necessary luxury. I really like the fact that I have one device 
>>> which I can use to do everything from controlling my Sonos system and 
>>> listening to Audible books and Podcasts to making phone calls, do banking 
>>> and sending business emails or do other business related stuff while I’m 
>>> out and about. It’s like having a car, I would use it and fill it up when 
>>> needed (plug in my phone to charge) but I wouldn’t necessarily have two 
>>> cars just so I don’t have to use one as often.
>>> Anyhow, with respect to Apple Music the solution is simple, just sign up 
>>> for the 3 months trial and try it out, then you know which you like better. 
>>> If you don’t like Apple Music then there is no harm done, you cancel your 
>>> subscription and it hasn’t cost you a Penny, if you find it’s way easier 
>>> for you than Spotify then you cancel your Spotify subscription and continue 
>>> on with Apple Music.
>>> A final argument may be that Apple Music does claim to have 40 million 
>>> songs and Spotify says they have “more than 30 million”. Also, if you like 
>>> artists like Garth Brooks or Taylor Swift then Apple Music is a better 
>>> option because they do have them and you can stream them whereas Spotify 
>>> does not.
>>> In the end both are excellent streaming services and it ultimately depends 
>>> on whether you find the music you like on both and which one you prefer 
>>> from a user interface perspective.
>>>  
>>> Regards,
>>> Sieghard
>>>  
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of Terri Stimmel
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2017 12:10 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Apple Music
>>>  
>>> Hello everyone,
>>>  
>>> I just wrote a message talking about Spotify, and the Ipad. Now I have a 
>>> couple of questions regarding the Ipad, and Apple Music.
>>>  
>>> First of all, how well does Apple Music work with the Ipad? Is it 
>>> completely accessible?
>>> Also, why do some of you tend to prefer Apple Music, over Spotify?
>>> I know I will get differing opinions here. But I am still curious to know.
>>>  
>>> I love Spotify. I think it's worth paying for. I can do a lot with it. I 
>>> would want to be able to do the same things with Apple Music.
>>> I am not sure why I am so hesitant to try Apple Music. I guess a part of it 
>>> is due to not liking change. But if I can't find a much easier way to u

Re: Apple Music

[William James]

I prefer Spotify because of the 3 reasons below:

1. Flexibility of the equalizer
2. Cross-fading
3. Robustness of playlists



Sent from my iPhone 7 Plus

> On Feb 9, 2017, at 12:56 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> For me the main reason is simply the fact I can use SIRI with Apple Music to 
> ask it to play something and while I don’t have an iPad, it’s accessed just 
> via the music app in iOS and I would definitely assume that it is fully 
> accessible, it certainly is on the phone. Of course it is also likely that 
> you do have the plit screens to deal with and more information on the screen.
> I am different in that for me having an iPad would just be an expensive and 
> not at all necessary luxury. I really like the fact that I have one device 
> which I can use to do everything from controlling my Sonos system and 
> listening to Audible books and Podcasts to making phone calls, do banking and 
> sending business emails or do other business related stuff while I’m out and 
> about. It’s like having a car, I would use it and fill it up when needed 
> (plug in my phone to charge) but I wouldn’t necessarily have two cars just so 
> I don’t have to use one as often.
> Anyhow, with respect to Apple Music the solution is simple, just sign up for 
> the 3 months trial and try it out, then you know which you like better. If 
> you don’t like Apple Music then there is no harm done, you cancel your 
> subscription and it hasn’t cost you a Penny, if you find it’s way easier for 
> you than Spotify then you cancel your Spotify subscription and continue on 
> with Apple Music.
> A final argument may be that Apple Music does claim to have 40 million songs 
> and Spotify says they have “more than 30 million”. Also, if you like artists 
> like Garth Brooks or Taylor Swift then Apple Music is a better option because 
> they do have them and you can stream them whereas Spotify does not.
> In the end both are excellent streaming services and it ultimately depends on 
> whether you find the music you like on both and which one you prefer from a 
> user interface perspective.
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Terri Stimmel
> Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2017 12:10 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Apple Music
>  
> Hello everyone,
>  
> I just wrote a message talking about Spotify, and the Ipad. Now I have a 
> couple of questions regarding the Ipad, and Apple Music.
>  
> First of all, how well does Apple Music work with the Ipad? Is it completely 
> accessible?
> Also, why do some of you tend to prefer Apple Music, over Spotify?
> I know I will get differing opinions here. But I am still curious to know.
>  
> I love Spotify. I think it's worth paying for. I can do a lot with it. I 
> would want to be able to do the same things with Apple Music.
> I am not sure why I am so hesitant to try Apple Music. I guess a part of it 
> is due to not liking change. But if I can't find a much easier way to use 
> Spotify with my Ipad, then I just may have to give Apple Music a try.
> I know the 3 month trial offer is still available.
>  
> Any thoughts, or suggestions will be appreciated.
>  
> Thank you,
>  
> Terri
> 
> Get Outlook for iOS
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Re: Changing Screen-Lock Sound

[William James]

There was no sound choice indicated he wanted to be switched. That's why I 
recommended that setting.

Sent from my iPhone 7 Plus

> On Jan 2, 2017, at 4:57 PM, rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> hi,
> actually, It won't change the actual click sound, it only disables the little 
> beep.
> 
> Sent from Thunderbird
> 
>> On 02/01/17 5:19 PM, William James wrote:
>> Actually, if you turn off the sounds for VoiceOver, that will change the 
>> screen lock sound. To me, the phone seems more natural without the blinky 
>> sounds on.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 7 Plus
>> 
>>> On Jan 2, 2017, at 9:00 AM, rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> hi,
>>> no, not that I know of.
>>> 
>>> Sent from Thunderbird
>>> 
>>>> On 02/01/17 12:51 PM, Richard wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> Is it possible to change the sound for the lock-screen in IOS 10.2?
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Richard
>>>> 
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Re: Changing Screen-Lock Sound

[William James]

Actually, if you turn off the sounds for VoiceOver, that will change the screen 
lock sound. To me, the phone seems more natural without the blinky sounds on.


Sent from my iPhone 7 Plus

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> hi,
> no, not that I know of.
> 
> Sent from Thunderbird
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>> Hi all,
>> Is it possible to change the sound for the lock-screen in IOS 10.2?
>> Thanks,
>> Richard
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Re: direct TV now channel lineup

[William James]

I would think it depends on your situation. But, for me, it is worth saving 100 
bucks from Time Warner.

Sent from my iPhone 7 Plus

> On Dec 9, 2016, at 4:35 AM, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
> 
> yes, this trumps any cable or streaming service I have ever used!  35 bucks 
> for over 100 channels?  And I can add HBO or Cennamax for five bucks each?  
> It’s not accessible to some, but if you have patients, you will learn the 
> layout pretty quickly.
>> On Dec 8, 2016, at 9:57 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Is it worth it?
>>> On Dec 8, 2016, at 8:14 PM, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Okay, I am pasting the entire channel lineup from direct TV now’s website.  
>>> Keep in mind this is a list of all the channels available, and it depends 
>>> on what package you choose.  Also, at the very bottom, is the list of local 
>>> channels and the market they are available in.
>>> Direct TV now channel lineup
>>> 
>>> 
>>> A
>>>   
>>> ABC
>>> 
>>> AMC
>>>   
>>> American Heroes
>>> 
>>> Animal Planet
>>> 
>>> Audience
>>>   
>>> AXS TV
>>>   
>>> Baby First
>>> 
>>> BBC America
>>>   
>>> BBC World News
>>>   
>>> BET
>>>   
>>> Bloomberg TV
>>> 
>>> Boomerang
>>>   
>>> Bravo
>>>   
>>> BTN
>>>   
>>> C-SPAN
>>> 
>>> C-SPAN2
>>> 
>>> Cartoon Network
>>>   
>>> Centric
>>> 
>>> Chiller
>>>   
>>> Cloo
>>> 
>>> CMT
>>>   
>>> CNBC
>>>   
>>> CNBC World
>>> 
>>> CNN
>>>   
>>> Comedy Central
>>>   
>>> Comedy TV
>>> 
>>> Cooking Channel
>>>   
>>> Destination America
>>> 
>>> Discovery
>>>   
>>> Discovery Family Channel
>>> 
>>> Discovery Life
>>>   
>>> Disney Channel**
>>>   
>>> Disney Junior**
>>>   
>>> Disney XD**
>>>   
>>> DIY Network
>>>   
>>> E!
>>>   
>>> El Rey
>>>   
>>> ESPN
>>>   
>>> ESPN2
>>> 
>>> ESPNEWS
>>> 
>>> ESPNU
>>>   
>>> FM
>>> 
>>> Food Network
>>>   
>>> Fox
>>> 
>>> Fox Business Network
>>> 
>>> Fox News Channel
>>> 
>>> FOX Sports 1
>>>   
>>> FOX Sports 2
>>> 
>>> Freeform**
>>>   
>>> Fuse
>>> 
>>> Fusion
>>> 
>>> FX
>>>   
>>> FX Movie Channel
>>>   
>>> FXX
>>>   
>>> fyi,
>>>   
>>> Galavision
>>>   
>>> Golf Channel
>>>   
>>> GSN
>>>   
>>> Hallmark Channel
>>>   
>>> Hallmark Movies & Mysteries
>>>   
>>> HGTV
>>>   
>>> HISTORY
>>>   
>>> HLN
>>> 
>>> IFC
>>>   
>>> Investigation Discovery
>>>   
>>> Justice Central
>>> 
>>> Lifetime
>>>   
>>> LMN
>>>   
>>> Logo
>>>   
>>> MLB Network
>>> 
>>> MSNBC
>>>   
>>> MTV
>>>   
>>> MTV2
>>>   
>>> MTV Classic
>>> 
>>> Nat Geo WILD
>>>   
>>> National Geographic Channel
>>>   
>>> NBA TV
>>> 
>>> NBC
>>> 
>>> NBC Sports Network
>>>   
>>> NBC Universo
>>>   
>>> NHL Network
>>> 
>>> Nick Jr.
>>>   
>>> Nickelodeon/Nick at Nite
>>>   
>>> Nicktoons
>>> 
>>> OWN
>>>   
>>> Oxygen
>>>   
>>> Revolt
>>>   
>>> RFD-TV
>>> 
>>> Science
>>> 
>>> SEC Network
>>>   
>>> Spike
>>>   
>>> Sprout
>>>   
>>> STARZ ENCORE Action
>>>   
>>> STARZ ENCORE Black
>>>   
>>> STARZ ENCORE East
>>>   
>>> STARZ ENCORE Family
>>>   
>>> STARZ ENCORE Classic
>>>   
>>> STARZ ENCORE Suspense
>>>   
>>> STARZ ENCORE West
>>>   
>>> STARZ ENCORE Westerns
>>>   
>>> SundanceTV
>>>   
>>> Syfy
>>>   
>>> TBS
>>>   
>>> TCM
>>>   
>>> TeenNick
>>>   
>>> Telemundo
>>> 
>>> Tennis Channel
>>> 
>>> TLC
>>>   
>>> TNT
>>>   
>>> Travel Channel
>>>   
>>> TruTV
>>>   
>>> TV Land
>>>   
>>> TVG
>>> 
>>> UniMás
>>>   
>>> Univision
>>>   
>>> Univision Deportes Network
>>>   
>>> USA Network
>>>   
>>> Velocity
>>> 
>>> VH1
>>>   
>>> Viceland
>>>   
>>> WE tv
>>>   
>>> Weather Channel
>>>   
>>> WeatherNation
>>> 
>>> *Your account must be active and subscribed to Go Big before the 
>>> introductory promotional pricing period ends to receive Go Big introductory 
>>> pricing. If you cancel your account or change your plan after the 
>>> introductory promotional period ends, your account will renew at the 
>>> package price then in effect. Channels, features, and terms subject to 
>>> change & may be discontinued without notice.
>>> **Not available on Internet Explorer 11 on Windows 7.
>>> ^To get a local or regional sports network, your billing address must match 
>>> a local market, and your device must be in that location.
>>> List of local channels
>>> 
>>> ABC*  
>>> NBC**  
>>> FOX  
>>> Telemundo  
>>> Atlanta, GA
>>> WAGA-TV
>>> Austin, TX
>>> KTBC
>>> Boston, MA
>>> Telemundo East
>>> Charlotte, NC
>>> WJZY
>>> Chicago, IL
>>> WLS-TV
>>> WMAQ
>>> WFLD
>>> Telemundo East
>>> Dallas-Ft Worth, TX
>>> KXAS
>>> KDFW-TV
>>> Telemundo East
>>> Denver, CO
>>> Telemundo East
>>> Detroit, MI
>>> WJBK
>>> Fresno-Visalia, CA
>>> KFSN-TV
>>> Telemundo East
>>> Gainesville, FL
>>> WOGX
>>> Hartford-New Haven, CT
>>> WVIT
>>> Houston, TX
>>> KTRK-TV
>>> Telemundo East
>>> Las Vegas, NV
>>> Telemundo East
>>> Los Angeles, CA
>>> KABC-TV
>>> KNBC
>>> KTTV
>>> Telemundo East
>>> Miami-Ft Lauderdale, FL
>>> WTVJ
>>> Telemundo East
>>> Minneapolis, MN
>>> KMSP-TV
>>> New York, NY
>>> WABC-TV
>>> 

Re: Directtv.now

[William James]

This offer is for the 32 GB Apple TV for. We already have the 64 GB Apple TV 
for, so we did not go for that.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 30, 2016, at 9:51 PM, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
> 
> No, the appleTV4 retails at 150 bucks, after tax for the 3 months you are 
> paying about 114 bucks, so you are saving a few dollars.
>>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 8:30 PM, Brent Harding  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I think the Apple TV itself retails for close to the same as the 3 months 
>>> anyways, but I assume you need to decide on this before you decide to take 
>>> the trial? How does one deal with the captcha on the iPhone? 
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: Mary Otten
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 7:27 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Directtv.now
>>> 
>>> You can sign up using Safari on your iPhone. Just be aware that a lot of 
>>> the things that are "clickable" are not noted as controls presumably 
>>> because they're not marked as such in the normal HTML way. So you have to 
>>> be a little bit creative and guessing what you're supposed to double tap 
>>> on. Shame on AT for their crappy excess ability, but you can do it. If 
>>> you sign up, then they offer you the chance to get the Apple TV if you want 
>>> to sign up for three months. All this is doable, although not in a 
>>> straightforward fully accessible way.
>>> 
>>> Sent you prepay for those three months, and you cannot get a refund, that 
>>> is you cannot cancel and get your money back, if you try it and don't like 
>>> it. I assume that is because you will have been sent the AppleTV.
>>>  from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Nov 30, 2016, at 5:10 PM, Brent Harding  wrote:
 
 I don't have an Apple TV and was thinking about getting one through this 
 offer. I don't yet have Windows 8 either, so how can I sign up with this 
 offer?
 Would it be worth getting as far as accessibility goes?
  
> - Original Message -
> From: Kliphton Miller
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:06 PM
> Subject: Re: Directtv.now
> 
> We will be discussing this in a weekly apple conference that I host.  
> Info is below.  But today is the direct TV now app. 
> Come join our everything apple discussion.  This is a conference held 
> every Wednesday at 3:30PM Eastern.  Hosted by Matt Vollbrecht and Kliph 
> Miller.  In this conference call we discuss everything apple.  New 
> devices, features, accessibility, and up coming events. We hold this 
> meeting in a app called “Zoom.  Download it here
> https://appsto.re/us/BjWKG.i
> 
> At this time, the free version of the zoom app only allows 50 
> participants, so it is first come first serve.  All questions and 
> comments are heard just keep it civil.
> to join this conference, click the following link
> 
> https://zoom.us/j/652703259
> 
> 
> 
> As long as you have installed xoom, you will be in the conference.  If 
> you have any issues you can email me at: kastle...@icloud.com
> 
> Come and enjoy!
> 
> 
>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 12:53 PM, Hope Paulos  wrote:
>> 
>> I am also trying the free seven day trial for DirecTV now. I cannot seem 
>> to figure out how to add channels to my favorites, so that I can access 
>> them frequently. The guide seems to work for me, and the search feature 
>> does as well. Can someone tell me how to access the networks, on the 
>> bottom right of the screen, there is a subscribe button, a show all 
>> button, and an unsubscribe button. How do I use these?
>> 
>> Hope Paulos
>> 
>>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 10:17 AM, Kliphton Miller  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> down load it here
>>> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/directv-now/id1136238277?mt=8
>>> 
 On Dec 1, 2016, at 8:47 AM, Fred Olver  wrote:
 
 Linda, I expect that one will be able to download the app to their 
 Apple TV.
  
 Fred
> - Original Message -
> From: Lynda Ingraham
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 4:02 PM
> Subject: Directtv.now
> 
> Hi Everyone, 
> I understand about watching direct tv on mobile devices. Is there a 
> way to watch on either a regular or smart tv? 
> Thank you, 
> Lynda 
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Re: My thoughts regarding Directv Now

[William James]

Personally, I do not find the lack of the channel name being listed an issue. 
If I want to watch something, I will either search for it or scroll through the 
guide. I personally think that is a petty thing. Also, remember this is an 
initial release.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 30, 2016, at 10:29 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> The fact that the channels are not named is a huge huge issue. When you have 
> over 100 channels, you need to know what they are. What sighted person do you 
> know who would put up with that for one second?
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 7:00 PM, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, this is what I have managed to do. browse channels, add to favorite, 
>> and search for channels.  To browse the channels, go into guide, click on 
>> the all channels button, swipe once to the right, and then swipe down, as 
>> you swipe down, the channels will not be named, but you can get info on 
>> what’s currently on, and what is coming up.  If you find a channel you want 
>> to add to favorites, swipe left, it willl say highlight to favorites, click 
>> that and your done.  Voiceover won’t tell you its checked, but it is.  Once 
>> you are done, back out of the guide, and go back in, but this time swipe 
>> down to favorites and click there.  This will give you your favorites in 
>> alphabetical order.  Also, if you know what channel you want to watch, use 
>> the search, it is very helpful.  If anyone else wants to discuss this app, I 
>> can host a conference in the zoom app so we can exchange tricks and tips.  
>> Just let me know 
>> kliph...@icloud.com
>> HTH
>>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 7:17 PM, Terri Stimmel  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello everyone,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I have read all the thread so far. I have some thoughts I would like to 
>>> share. I can't answer all the issues people are having. So I apologize 
>>> for this in advance. And these are just my thoughts, and opinions. So 
>>> please try not to take anything I say personally.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> First of all, I do not find this App terrible at all. I am quite happy 
>>> that I signed up, and I will most likely keep the service once my free 
>>> trial is over.
>>> 
>>> Yes, I do agree that a lot still needs to be worked out, in order for 
>>> this app to be more accessible, or even completely accessible.
>>> 
>>> I prefer this app over Sling TV. I honestly really disliked that app. 
>>> Yes it might have listed the channel numbers. But even though it did 
>>> this, you had to either watch the channel, until you learned what the 
>>> channel was, or you had to get sighted assistance. You couldn't do most 
>>> things with the app, such as add to favorites, or know what you were 
>>> watching.
>>> 
>>> Not to mention, their tech support was down right awful!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Now as for the Directv Now app, I still have a lot to learn. But I am 
>>> looking forward to learning it. I know I will have frustrations along 
>>> the way. But I feel it's worth it to me.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> When the app came up after I was signed in, a channel came on right 
>>> away. When I swiped to the left, or the right, the channels would change.
>>> 
>>> If I would touch the track pad, the show would pause. At least, I think 
>>> I am remembering that correctly. I was able to swipe left and right, 
>>> where I then saw some options.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I somehow discovered that I could see what show I was watching, and how 
>>> long the show would still be on. When I swiped down, I could see some of 
>>> the shows that were coming up.
>>> 
>>> Unfortunately, I haven't got a clue how I managed to do this. I wish I 
>>> could know what I did. But I know I will figure it out again. When I do, 
>>> I will write it down, so I can share it with all of you.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I haven't tried to add any channels to my favorites. I want to do this, 
>>> most definitely! But I think I will wait until my sighted friend can 
>>> help me. This way, I can choose what I want, and make a list as to the 
>>> order they are in. At least until I get it memorized.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I would like to know how I see the channels ordered by catagory, or 
>>> whatever that is, that someone mentioned.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Also, someone mentioned there were networks listed at the bottom of the 
>>> screen.
>>> 
>>> How do I find these, and how do I figure out what the buttons are, that 
>>> were mentioned?
>>> 
>>> I guess just by trial and error, really.
>>> 
>>> Also, have they started the on-demand service yet? I would imagine this 
>>> might take some time. But when it happens, I really hope we can access 
>>> it in some way.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I do agree that the website is horrible to use. The really need to fix 
>>> that, fast! The sooner the better, would be much appreciated!
>>> 
>>> I would like to know who to call for tech support. I want to see how 
>>> they react, and what they might say.
>>> 
>>> However, the only 

Re: Oops! need some help regarding Directv Now and Ipad

[William James]

That freaked me out as well. What I did was hit my home button, but my finger 
towards the top of the screen where the status bar is, and turned up the 
volume. I think they made a bad choice in muting your sound when the app comes 
up. Otherwise, I am loving it!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 1, 2016, at 8:42 AM, Terri Stimmel  wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> 
> I understand what is likely wrong, from an earlier post I read.
> 
> 
> If my volume is turned down, how do I go about fixing this?
> 
> Once I get it fixed, how do I get back in to the App to set it to where 
> mute is off?
> 
> 
> I just wanted to see how it would work on my Ipad Mini, because I may 
> use it that way at times.
> 
> 
> When I get seri to come on, I tell her to turn on voiceover. She tells 
> me it's on. While she is telling me this, I attempt to turn the volume 
> up. But of course, it is up. For that anyway.
> 
> 
> I remember having this happen on my phone once, not too long ago. 
> Someone told me how to fix it, and it worked. But now I don't remember 
> what caused that issue in the first.
> 
> 
> Any help with this problem would be much appreciated. I can't believe I 
> did this. But I have to kind of laugh at myself.
> 
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> 
> Terri
> 
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