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Yes, it sounds like you do yours the same way I do, but I’ve never gotten it to work with any other app except KNFB. I haven’t tried this one yet, but I may just to see if I have become better. (smile) From: englishride...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 10:13 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Amedia Live Reader My biggest problem with shooting any kind of picture is that when I have the phone held in a hand, or even both, I have hand tremors. What I do to compensate for this is braced the phone against my chin, which helps immensely. I also use Seighard's tip placing the corner where the phone's camera is as close to the exact middle of the page as possible, then lift The phone up as evenly as I can. Then I use the field of you report to check how well I've done, and then shoot the picture. This is where bracing the phone against my chin really helps. Also, I use the split-tap method to activate the buttons, as double-tapping them tends to make the phone move. Thanks, Ari On Jul 2, 2016, at 7:19 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote: Hi Krister, I must agree with Sandy in that you have gotten plenty of help. I have been reading this thread and several people have explained exactly what they do to make it work. I think Ron explained how he is holding the phone with both elbows on the side of the page they want to scan which gives you pretty much the correct distance etc. I also remember replying to you in the past explaining that I usually put the phone down on the page with the touchscreen facing up so that the corner of the phone where the back camera is located is approx. in the middle of the page. At first it may be helpful to fold the page lightly in half in both directions since where those two folds meet is exactly the centre of the page. If you do this a few times and check the distance of the left and bottom edge of the page to the left and bottom edge of the phone you quickly get an idea on how the phone should be positioned. Once I have it more or less lined up with the page I grip the edges with my right hand and lift the phone straight up and away from the page to a height of about 10 or 12 inches. I think you are in Sweden, so that would be 25 to 30 cm or about the length of an 8.5x11 or A4 size page. It’s almost better to lift it a few inches higher than not high enough. At that point you can do your field of view report or correct any tilt if the phone is vibrating and take your picture. It was also pointed out several times that practicing when you have a sighted person around who can correct you is very helpful. To me it sounds like you haven’t been able to get good results and even though people have replied and explained what they do (Ron, Sandy, myself and others) you are at this point sarcastic and cynical about it. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Krister Ekstrom Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 4:17 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Amedia Live Reader How nice that people are getting such splended results with the knfv reader. I have to aggree with Gordan though. I don't know what the hell i do wrong vut for me the knfv reader just don't work period. I have asked on this list and on Applevis for help but haven't gotten any so now i rely entirely on sighted help for reading text. /Krister Skickat från min iPhone 2 juli 2016 kl. 11:49 skrev 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com>: Hi Gordon, I would like to add my voice to Anne's here! I think it was both she and I who first championed the use of Prizmo, some years back, using the old 4 phone!! Certainly, at first it was a challenge, but we did get some results which would, at the very least, give one a good over-view of what was on the paper. When the KNFB app came out, or rather, when the hype leading up to its coming out, was at its hottest and they said "we won't be charging a lot for it", only to then announce that it would cost a wacking 100 Dollars, I decided I would never buy it, seeing it as one more example of the "rip-off" of the adaptive market. However, within a day or so of its appearing on the app store, I read sufch glowing reports of the app that I swallowed my pride and bought it. I have found it to be truly liberating! True, in those days I could see enough to tell if the targeted sheet was roughly on the screen, which helped emensely! but now, and for the last 2 years, I have had no sight at all, not even light, which used to be so useful in gaging the right ambience for taking shots, I am within 5 percent of my earlier success. I take shots, on the fly, such as in restaurants, from a sitting position, just raising one hand, not making any special effort, (not choosing to make too much of an exhibit
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But what about aMedia live reader? I think enough people have not used it yet. On 7/6/16, englishride...@gmail.com <englishride...@gmail.com> wrote: > My biggest problem with shooting any kind of picture is that when I have the > phone held in a hand, or even both, I have hand tremors. What I do to > compensate for this is braced the phone against my chin, which helps > immensely. I also use Seighard's tip placing the corner where the phone's > camera is as close to the exact middle of the page as possible, then lift > The phone up as evenly as I can. Then I use the field of you report to check > how well I've done, and then shoot the picture. This is where bracing the > phone against my chin really helps. Also, I use the split-tap method to > activate the buttons, as double-tapping them tends to make the phone move. > > > Thanks, > Ari > >> On Jul 2, 2016, at 7:19 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote: >> >> Hi Krister, >> >> I must agree with Sandy in that you have gotten plenty of help. I have >> been reading this thread and several people have explained exactly what >> they do to make it work. I think Ron explained how he is holding the phone >> with both elbows on the side of the page they want to scan which gives you >> pretty much the correct distance etc. I also remember replying to you in >> the past explaining that I usually put the phone down on the page with the >> touchscreen facing up so that the corner of the phone where the back >> camera is located is approx. in the middle of the page. At first it may be >> helpful to fold the page lightly in half in both directions since where >> those two folds meet is exactly the centre of the page. If you do this a >> few times and check the distance of the left and bottom edge of the page >> to the left and bottom edge of the phone you quickly get an idea on how >> the phone should be positioned. Once I have it more or less lined up with >> the page I grip the edges with my right hand and lift the phone straight >> up and away from the page to a height of about 10 or 12 inches. I think >> you are in Sweden, so that would be 25 to 30 cm or about the length of an >> 8.5x11 or A4 size page. It’s almost better to lift it a few inches higher >> than not high enough. At that point you can do your field of view report >> or correct any tilt if the phone is vibrating and take your picture. It >> was also pointed out several times that practicing when you have a sighted >> person around who can correct you is very helpful. >> >> To me it sounds like you haven’t been able to get good results and even >> though people have replied and explained what they do (Ron, Sandy, myself >> and others) you are at this point sarcastic and cynical about it. >> >> >> Regards, >> Sieghard >> >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >> Of Krister Ekstrom >> Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 4:17 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Amedia Live Reader >> >> How nice that people are getting such splended results with the knfv >> reader. I have to aggree with Gordan though. I don't know what the hell i >> do wrong vut for me the knfv reader just don't work period. I have asked >> on this list and on Applevis for help but haven't gotten any so now i rely >> entirely on sighted help for reading text. >> /Krister >> >> >> Skickat från min iPhone >> >> 2 juli 2016 kl. 11:49 skrev 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone >> <viphone@googlegroups.com>: >> >> Hi Gordon, >> >> I would like to add my voice to Anne's here! I think it was both she >> and I who first championed the use of Prizmo, some years back, using the >> old 4 phone!! Certainly, at first it was a challenge, but we did get some >> results which would, at the very least, give one a good over-view of what >> was on the paper. When the KNFB app came out, or rather, when the hype >> leading up to its coming out, was at its hottest and they said "we won't >> be charging a lot for it", only to then announce that it would cost a >> wacking 100 Dollars, I decided I would never buy it, seeing it as one more >> example of the "rip-off" of the adaptive market. However, within a day or >> so of its appearing on the app store, I read sufch glowing reports of the >> app that I swallowed my pride and bought it. I have found it to be truly >> liberating! True, in those days I could see enough to tell if the targeted >> sheet was roughly on the screen, which helped emensely! but now, and for >> the last
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My biggest problem with shooting any kind of picture is that when I have the phone held in a hand, or even both, I have hand tremors. What I do to compensate for this is braced the phone against my chin, which helps immensely. I also use Seighard's tip placing the corner where the phone's camera is as close to the exact middle of the page as possible, then lift The phone up as evenly as I can. Then I use the field of you report to check how well I've done, and then shoot the picture. This is where bracing the phone against my chin really helps. Also, I use the split-tap method to activate the buttons, as double-tapping them tends to make the phone move. Thanks, Ari > On Jul 2, 2016, at 7:19 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote: > > Hi Krister, > > I must agree with Sandy in that you have gotten plenty of help. I have been > reading this thread and several people have explained exactly what they do to > make it work. I think Ron explained how he is holding the phone with both > elbows on the side of the page they want to scan which gives you pretty much > the correct distance etc. I also remember replying to you in the past > explaining that I usually put the phone down on the page with the touchscreen > facing up so that the corner of the phone where the back camera is located is > approx. in the middle of the page. At first it may be helpful to fold the > page lightly in half in both directions since where those two folds meet is > exactly the centre of the page. If you do this a few times and check the > distance of the left and bottom edge of the page to the left and bottom edge > of the phone you quickly get an idea on how the phone should be positioned. > Once I have it more or less lined up with the page I grip the edges with my > right hand and lift the phone straight up and away from the page to a height > of about 10 or 12 inches. I think you are in Sweden, so that would be 25 to > 30 cm or about the length of an 8.5x11 or A4 size page. It’s almost better to > lift it a few inches higher than not high enough. At that point you can do > your field of view report or correct any tilt if the phone is vibrating and > take your picture. It was also pointed out several times that practicing when > you have a sighted person around who can correct you is very helpful. > > To me it sounds like you haven’t been able to get good results and even > though people have replied and explained what they do (Ron, Sandy, myself and > others) you are at this point sarcastic and cynical about it. > > > Regards, > Sieghard > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Krister Ekstrom > Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 4:17 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Amedia Live Reader > > How nice that people are getting such splended results with the knfv reader. > I have to aggree with Gordan though. I don't know what the hell i do wrong > vut for me the knfv reader just don't work period. I have asked on this list > and on Applevis for help but haven't gotten any so now i rely entirely on > sighted help for reading text. > /Krister > > > Skickat från min iPhone > > 2 juli 2016 kl. 11:49 skrev 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone > <viphone@googlegroups.com>: > > Hi Gordon, > > I would like to add my voice to Anne's here! I think it was both she and > I who first championed the use of Prizmo, some years back, using the old 4 > phone!! Certainly, at first it was a challenge, but we did get some results > which would, at the very least, give one a good over-view of what was on the > paper. When the KNFB app came out, or rather, when the hype leading up to its > coming out, was at its hottest and they said "we won't be charging a lot for > it", only to then announce that it would cost a wacking 100 Dollars, I > decided I would never buy it, seeing it as one more example of the "rip-off" > of the adaptive market. However, within a day or so of its appearing on the > app store, I read sufch glowing reports of the app that I swallowed my pride > and bought it. I have found it to be truly liberating! True, in those days I > could see enough to tell if the targeted sheet was roughly on the screen, > which helped emensely! but now, and for the last 2 years, I have had no sight > at all, not even light, which used to be so useful in gaging the right > ambience for taking shots, I am within 5 percent of my earlier success. > > I take shots, on the fly, such as in restaurants, from a sitting > position, just raising one hand, not making any special effort, (not choosing > to make too much of an exhibition of myself) of menus and have splendid > success
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Hi Ann, At some point, someone highjacked this thread and I am one of the guilty ones following it. Very sorry about that Ron & Danvers -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 8:10 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Amedia Live Reader Per the subject of this post, has anyone tried Amedia Live Reader??? -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Hello, Honestly, I want the app, and I could take good use of it. If nothing else, get fun out of it. But even while on price, I just get upset, when I think about spending £50 for an app, when that could be the half of a refurbished iPad's price. I just wish it was cheaper. Is there a demo of the app, to try somewhere? Sent from a BrailleNote - Original Message - From: "Ron" <ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca To: <viphone@googlegroups.com Date sent: Sat, 2 Jul 2016 14:51:28 -0400 Subject: RE: Amedia Live Reader Gordon, I'm afraid I dan't disagree with you more. If a hundred dollars for an app is too rich for your blood, that is fine. Not all people living on a fixed income can afford it. I have been totally blind for about 40 years and I get very good results with the KNFB app. I do understand that some blind people have more trouble seeing their position in space but it can be worked on. Sometimes simple tricks can help. Bashing the software is not the solution as, in my opinion, it really is the best app for freehand OCR out there. Keep asking questions and, at some point, it will click and you will be the first one to say: "How can I have had so much trouble". You may not believe this but, I know some people who take the picture first as they are usually aligned properly on their own and only use the field of view report as a second choice if it didn't work well enough the first time. I am practicing this and have to say I am doing very well with it. The purpose of this list is to help one another so, ask away! Ron & Danvers From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 3:21 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Amedia Live Reader Gordon, I have to disagree with you. For several years now, I have had very good results freehand first with Prizmo and now with KNFBReader and I'm totally blind. I think what makes the difference is whether we have good spacial awareness or not. I was able to see perfectly as a young child, and although I've seen nothing at all for around 55 years, my visual memory is good. This helps me understand how to use apps with the camera. Cheers, Anne On 1 Jul 2016, at 22:02, Gordan Radic <razbij...@gmail.com <mailto:razbij...@gmail.com> > wrote: Hi! Whatever people are saying, I never believed in ferrytales. Blind people acurately scanning text documents on the fly is just a ferrytale to me. I managed to get some decent results with KNFB Reader and Textgrabber but those were third or fourth shots in both apps. Giving hundreed bucks for KNFB Reader just to get some partial results is too much for me; fortunately, Textgrabber went free and now has in-app purchases for translations. Without a decent phone stand such as Fopydo or something else there's no purpose in acquiring OCR apps and that's my humble opinion. S postovanjem <mailto://gordan.ra...@gmail.com> Gordan Radic <http://www.nemoviz.org/> mailto://i...@nemoviz.org> http://www.facebook.com/nemoviz> http://www.twitter.com/nemoviz2014> Hi Joe, unfortunately, I couldn't get Amedia to work reliably. Occasionally, when my phone's camera was pointed at a printed page, one or two partial lines of text would be read aloud, generally in incomplete form. I sought sighted assistance to make sure that I was in fact aligning the camera and the document correctly and was told that the image was in fact being displayed on the screen. I also tried Amedia and KNFB Reader side by side with two documents, again with sighted assistance,and KNFB performed OCR correctly whereas Amedia only read a couple lines of garbled text. Like you, I have some trouble with KNFB Reader also, but in my case I know that's because I have difficulty aligning the camera with the page perfectly. I don't think there's any question that you'll get better results with KNFB Reader though. For live text recognition, Talking Goggles does a reasonable enough job so at least you'll know what document you're holding. It requires an internet connection to work, but there's a free, ad-supported version. I accessed my receipt for Amedia Live Reader from the iTunes Store and reported that the app wasn't functioning for me, but I wasn't offered a refund. Hope this helps, Grant On Friday July 1, 2016, at 8:12:38 AM, Joe <jsoro...@gmail.com <mailto:jsoro...@gmail.com> > wrote: Hi, what have people's experience been with Amedia Live Reader? The real-time reading function sounds intriguing, but the price tag gives one pause. I don't mind the investment though if people can show it's an effective app. I'm an idiot and cannot seem to make the KNFB Reader app work wel for me, and yeah, I fully admit this could just be user error. Thanks for your thoughts in advance. Joe --
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Krister, Please don’t say you asked and didn’t get help on this list. I have seen many posts trying to help you including mine. I do agree that freehand OCR is more difficult for some than it is for others but it only takes a bit of patience. We are all trying to help you and, we will continue to do so but snarky comments are not the way to go My first question to you is: Could you Give me an estimate of how many times you tried to get a result? Ron & Danvers From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Krister Ekstrom Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 7:17 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Amedia Live Reader How nice that people are getting such splended results with the knfv reader. I have to aggree with Gordan though. I don't know what the hell i do wrong vut for me the knfv reader just don't work period. I have asked on this list and on Applevis for help but haven't gotten any so now i rely entirely on sighted help for reading text. /Krister Skickat från min iPhone 2 juli 2016 kl. 11:49 skrev 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >: Hi Gordon, I would like to add my voice to Anne's here! I think it was both she and I who first championed the use of Prizmo, some years back, using the old 4 phone!! Certainly, at first it was a challenge, but we did get some results which would, at the very least, give one a good over-view of what was on the paper. When the KNFB app came out, or rather, when the hype leading up to its coming out, was at its hottest and they said "we won't be charging a lot for it", only to then announce that it would cost a wacking 100 Dollars, I decided I would never buy it, seeing it as one more example of the "rip-off" of the adaptive market. However, within a day or so of its appearing on the app store, I read sufch glowing reports of the app that I swallowed my pride and bought it. I have found it to be truly liberating! True, in those days I could see enough to tell if the targeted sheet was roughly on the screen, which helped emensely! but now, and for the last 2 years, I have had no sight at all, not even light, which used to be so useful in gaging the right ambience for taking shots, I am within 5 percent of my earlier success. I take shots, on the fly, such as in restaurants, from a sitting position, just raising one hand, not making any special effort, (not choosing to make too much of an exhibition of myself) of menus and have splendid success! I always am the one to check the post, before my other half, this used to drive him mad when I was using Prizmo, because it took quite a while to get results, but now, the the KNFB app, I am as quick as him putting on his reading glasses! Once the envelope is opened, KNFB is faster than he is at reading it for me (and often more accurate!!) I do agree with Anne, it may well help some of us, who have seen before, having an instinctive awareness of the requirements of the camera, but this isn't true of everyone, people, here on this list, have achieved equal results, having never seen! Finally, for those who just have disappointing results, I wish I could give them some one to one tips, but I think it might be necessary to be actually present. Because, I reckon there are tricks a methods which one can follow and which don't need judgement or too much spacial awareness. Just my twopence worth. Sandy. sent from the dark side of the moon On 2 Jul 2016, at 08:20, Anne Robertson <annefromo...@gmail.com <mailto:annefromo...@gmail.com> > wrote: Gordon, I have to disagree with you. For several years now, I have had very good results freehand first with Prizmo and now with KNFBReader and I’m totally blind. I think what makes the difference is whether we have good spacial awareness or not. I was able to see perfectly as a young child, and although I’ve seen nothing at all for around 55 years, my visual memory is good. This helps me understand how to use apps with the camera. Cheers, Anne On 1 Jul 2016, at 22:02, Gordan Radić <razbij...@gmail.com <mailto:razbij...@gmail.com> > wrote: Hi! Whatever people are saying, I never believed in ferrytales. Blind people acurately scanning text documents on the fly is just a ferrytale to me. I managed to get some decent results with KNFB Reader and Textgrabber but those were third or fourth shots in both apps. Giving hundreed bucks for KNFB Reader just to get some partial results is too much for me; fortunately, Textgrabber went free and now has in-app purchases for translations. Without a decent phone stand such as Fopydo or something else there's no purpose in acquiring OCR apps and that's my humble opinion. S poštovanjem <mailto://gordan.ra...@gmail.com> Gordan Radić <http://www.nemoviz.o
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Gordon, I’m afraid I dan’t disagree with you more. If a hundred dollars for an app is too rich for your blood, that is fine. Not all people living on a fixed income can afford it. I have been totally blind for about 40 years and I get very good results with the KNFB app. I do understand that some blind people have more trouble seeing their position in space but it can be worked on. Sometimes simple tricks can help. Bashing the software is not the solution as, in my opinion, it really is the best app for freehand OCR out there. Keep asking questions and, at some point, it will click and you will be the first one to say: “How can I have had so much trouble”. You may not believe this but, I know some people who take the picture first as they are usually aligned properly on their own and only use the field of view report as a second choice if it didn’t work well enough the first time. I am practicing this and have to say I am doing very well with it. The purpose of this list is to help one another so, ask away! Ron & Danvers From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 3:21 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Amedia Live Reader Gordon, I have to disagree with you. For several years now, I have had very good results freehand first with Prizmo and now with KNFBReader and I’m totally blind. I think what makes the difference is whether we have good spacial awareness or not. I was able to see perfectly as a young child, and although I’ve seen nothing at all for around 55 years, my visual memory is good. This helps me understand how to use apps with the camera. Cheers, Anne On 1 Jul 2016, at 22:02, Gordan Radić <razbij...@gmail.com <mailto:razbij...@gmail.com> > wrote: Hi! Whatever people are saying, I never believed in ferrytales. Blind people acurately scanning text documents on the fly is just a ferrytale to me. I managed to get some decent results with KNFB Reader and Textgrabber but those were third or fourth shots in both apps. Giving hundreed bucks for KNFB Reader just to get some partial results is too much for me; fortunately, Textgrabber went free and now has in-app purchases for translations. Without a decent phone stand such as Fopydo or something else there's no purpose in acquiring OCR apps and that's my humble opinion. S poštovanjem <mailto://gordan.ra...@gmail.com> Gordan Radić <http://www.nemoviz.org/> <mailto://i...@nemoviz.org> <http://www.facebook.com/nemoviz> <http://www.twitter.com/nemoviz2014> 1.7.2016. u 20:43, Grant je napisao/la: Hi Joe, unfortunately, I couldn’t get Amedia to work reliably. Occasionally, when my phone’s camera was pointed at a printed page, one or two partial lines of text would be read aloud, generally in incomplete form. I sought sighted assistance to make sure that I was in fact aligning the camera and the document correctly and was told that the image was in fact being displayed on the screen. I also tried Amedia and KNFB Reader side by side with two documents, again with sighted assistance,and KNFB performed OCR correctly whereas Amedia only read a couple lines of garbled text. Like you, I have some trouble with KNFB Reader also, but in my case I know that’s because I have difficulty aligning the camera with the page perfectly. I don’t think there’s any question that you’ll get better results with KNFB Reader though. For live text recognition, Talking Goggles does a reasonable enough job so at least you’ll know what document you’re holding. It requires an internet connection to work, but there’s a free, ad-supported version. I accessed my receipt for Amedia Live Reader from the iTunes Store and reported that the app wasn’t functioning for me, but I wasn’t offered a refund. Hope this helps, Grant On Friday July 1, 2016, at 8:12:38 AM, Joe <jsoro...@gmail.com <mailto:jsoro...@gmail.com> > wrote: Hi, what have people's experience been with Amedia Live Reader? The real-time reading function sounds intriguing, but the price tag gives one pause. I don't mind the investment though if people can show it's an effective app. I'm an idiot and cannot seem to make the KNFB Reader app work wel for me, and yeah, I fully admit this could just be user error. Thanks for your thoughts in advance. Joe -- Musings of a Work in Progress: www.JoeOrozco.com/ <http://www.joeorozco.com/> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach
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ood results freehand first with
Prizmo and now with KNFBReader and I’m totally blind. I
think what makes the difference is whether we have good
spacial awareness or not. I was able to see perfectly as a
young child, and although I’ve seen nothing at all for
around 55 years, my visual memory is good. This helps me
understand how to use apps with the camera.
Cheers,
Anne
On 1 Jul 2016, at 22:02, Gordan Radić <razbij...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Hi!
Whatever people are saying, I never believed in
ferrytales. Blind people acurately scanning text
documents on the fly is just a ferrytale to me.
I managed to get some decent results with KNFB Reader
and Textgrabber but those were third or fourth shots
in both apps. Giving hundreed bucks for KNFB Reader
just to get some partial results is too much for me;
fortunately, Textgrabber went free and now has in-app
purchases for translations.
Without a decent phone stand such as Fopydo or
something else there's no purpose in acquiring OCR
apps and that's my humble opinion.
S poštovanjem
Gordan Radić
1.7.2016. u 20:43, Grant
je napisao/la:
Hi Joe, unfortunately, I couldn’t get Amedia to work
reliably. Occasionally, when my phone’s camera was
pointed at a printed page, one or two partial lines
of text would be read aloud, generally in incomplete
form. I sought sighted assistance to make sure that
I was in fact aligning the camera and the document
correctly and was told that the image was in fact
being displayed on the screen. I also tried Amedia
and KNFB Reader side by side with two documents,
again with sighted assistance,and KNFB performed OCR
correctly whereas Amedia only read a couple lines of
garbled text. Like you, I have some trouble with
KNFB Reader also, but in my case I know that’s
because I have difficulty aligning the camera with
the page perfectly. I don’t think there’s any
question that you’ll get better results with KNFB
Reader though. For live text recognition, Talking
Goggles does a reasonable enough job so at least
you’ll know what document you’re holding. It
requires an internet connection to work, but there’s
a free, ad-supported version.
I accessed my receipt for Amedia Live
Reader from the iTunes Store and reported that the
app wasn’t functioning for me, but I wasn’t
offered a refund.
Hope this helps,
Grant
On Friday July 1, 2016, at
8:12:38 AM, Joe <jsoro...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Hi, what have people's
experience been with Amedia Live Reader?
The
real-time reading function sounds
intriguing, but the price tag gives one
pause. I don't mind the investment though
if people can show it's an
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Hi Krister, I must agree with Sandy in that you have gotten plenty of help. I have been reading this thread and several people have explained exactly what they do to make it work. I think Ron explained how he is holding the phone with both elbows on the side of the page they want to scan which gives you pretty much the correct distance etc. I also remember replying to you in the past explaining that I usually put the phone down on the page with the touchscreen facing up so that the corner of the phone where the back camera is located is approx. in the middle of the page. At first it may be helpful to fold the page lightly in half in both directions since where those two folds meet is exactly the centre of the page. If you do this a few times and check the distance of the left and bottom edge of the page to the left and bottom edge of the phone you quickly get an idea on how the phone should be positioned. Once I have it more or less lined up with the page I grip the edges with my right hand and lift the phone straight up and away from the page to a height of about 10 or 12 inches. I think you are in Sweden, so that would be 25 to 30 cm or about the length of an 8.5x11 or A4 size page. It’s almost better to lift it a few inches higher than not high enough. At that point you can do your field of view report or correct any tilt if the phone is vibrating and take your picture. It was also pointed out several times that practicing when you have a sighted person around who can correct you is very helpful. To me it sounds like you haven’t been able to get good results and even though people have replied and explained what they do (Ron, Sandy, myself and others) you are at this point sarcastic and cynical about it. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Krister Ekstrom Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 4:17 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Amedia Live Reader How nice that people are getting such splended results with the knfv reader. I have to aggree with Gordan though. I don't know what the hell i do wrong vut for me the knfv reader just don't work period. I have asked on this list and on Applevis for help but haven't gotten any so now i rely entirely on sighted help for reading text. /Krister Skickat från min iPhone 2 juli 2016 kl. 11:49 skrev 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>: Hi Gordon, I would like to add my voice to Anne's here! I think it was both she and I who first championed the use of Prizmo, some years back, using the old 4 phone!! Certainly, at first it was a challenge, but we did get some results which would, at the very least, give one a good over-view of what was on the paper. When the KNFB app came out, or rather, when the hype leading up to its coming out, was at its hottest and they said "we won't be charging a lot for it", only to then announce that it would cost a wacking 100 Dollars, I decided I would never buy it, seeing it as one more example of the "rip-off" of the adaptive market. However, within a day or so of its appearing on the app store, I read sufch glowing reports of the app that I swallowed my pride and bought it. I have found it to be truly liberating! True, in those days I could see enough to tell if the targeted sheet was roughly on the screen, which helped emensely! but now, and for the last 2 years, I have had no sight at all, not even light, which used to be so useful in gaging the right ambience for taking shots, I am within 5 percent of my earlier success. I take shots, on the fly, such as in restaurants, from a sitting position, just raising one hand, not making any special effort, (not choosing to make too much of an exhibition of myself) of menus and have splendid success! I always am the one to check the post, before my other half, this used to drive him mad when I was using Prizmo, because it took quite a while to get results, but now, the the KNFB app, I am as quick as him putting on his reading glasses! Once the envelope is opened, KNFB is faster than he is at reading it for me (and often more accurate!!) I do agree with Anne, it may well help some of us, who have seen before, having an instinctive awareness of the requirements of the camera, but this isn't true of everyone, people, here on this list, have achieved equal results, having never seen! Finally, for those who just have disappointing results, I wish I could give them some one to one tips, but I think it might be necessary to be actually present. Because, I reckon there are tricks a methods which one can follow and which don't need judgement or too much spacial awareness. Just my twopence worth. Sandy. sent from the dark side of the moon On 2 Jul 2016, at 08:20, Anne Robertson <annefromo...@gmail.com<mailto:annefromo...@gmail.com>> wrote: Gordon, I have to
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twopence worth. >>> >>> Sandy. >>> >>> sent from the dark side of the moon >>> >>>> On 2 Jul 2016, at 08:20, Anne Robertson <annefromo...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Gordon, I have to disagree with you. For several years now, I have had >>>> very good results freehand first with Prizmo and now with KNFBReader and >>>> I’m totally blind. I think what makes the difference is whether we have >>>> good spacial awareness or not. I was able to see perfectly as a young >>>> child, and although I’ve seen nothing at all for around 55 years, my >>>> visual memory is good. This helps me understand how to use apps with the >>>> camera. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Anne >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 1 Jul 2016, at 22:02, Gordan Radić <razbij...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi! >>>>> Whatever people are saying, I never believed in ferrytales. Blind people >>>>> acurately scanning text documents on the fly is just a ferrytale to me. >>>>> I managed to get some decent results with KNFB Reader and Textgrabber but >>>>> those were third or fourth shots in both apps. Giving hundreed bucks for >>>>> KNFB Reader just to get some partial results is too much for me; >>>>> fortunately, Textgrabber went free and now has in-app purchases for >>>>> translations. >>>>> Without a decent phone stand such as Fopydo or something else there's no >>>>> purpose in acquiring OCR apps and that's my humble opinion. >>>>> >>>>> S poštovanjem >>>>> Gordan Radić >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 1.7.2016. u 20:43, Grant je napisao/la: >>>>>> Hi Joe, unfortunately, I couldn’t get Amedia to work reliably. >>>>>> Occasionally, when my phone’s camera was pointed at a printed page, one >>>>>> or two partial lines of text would be read aloud, generally in >>>>>> incomplete form. I sought sighted assistance to make sure that I was in >>>>>> fact aligning the camera and the document correctly and was told that >>>>>> the image was in fact being displayed on the screen. I also tried Amedia >>>>>> and KNFB Reader side by side with two documents, again with sighted >>>>>> assistance,and KNFB performed OCR correctly whereas Amedia only read a >>>>>> couple lines of garbled text. Like you, I have some trouble with KNFB >>>>>> Reader also, but in my case I know that’s because I have difficulty >>>>>> aligning the camera with the page perfectly. I don’t think there’s any >>>>>> question that you’ll get better results with KNFB Reader though. For >>>>>> live text recognition, Talking Goggles does a reasonable enough job so >>>>>> at least you’ll know what document you’re holding. It requires an >>>>>> internet connection to work, but there’s a free, ad-supported version. >>>>>> >>>>>> I accessed my receipt for Amedia Live Reader from the iTunes Store and >>>>>> reported that the app wasn’t functioning for me, but I wasn’t offered a >>>>>> refund. >>>>>> >>>>>> Hope this helps, >>>>>> >>>>>> Grant >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Friday July 1, 2016, at 8:12:38 AM, Joe <jsoro...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, what have people's experience been with Amedia Live >>>>>>> Reader? The >>>>>>> real-time reading function sounds intriguing, but the price tag gives >>>>>>> one >>>>>>> pause. I don't mind the investment though if people can show it's an >>>>>>> effective app. I'm an idiot and cannot seem to make the KNFB Reader app >>>>>>> work >>>>>>> wel for me, and yeah, I fully admit this could just be user error. >>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>> for your thoughts in advance. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Joe >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Musings of a Work in Progress: >>>>>>> www.JoeOrozco.com/
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ual memory is >>> good. This helps me understand how to use apps with the camera. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Anne >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 1 Jul 2016, at 22:02, Gordan Radić <razbij...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi! >>>> Whatever people are saying, I never believed in ferrytales. Blind people >>>> acurately scanning text documents on the fly is just a ferrytale to me. >>>> I managed to get some decent results with KNFB Reader and Textgrabber but >>>> those were third or fourth shots in both apps. Giving hundreed bucks for >>>> KNFB Reader just to get some partial results is too much for me; >>>> fortunately, Textgrabber went free and now has in-app purchases for >>>> translations. >>>> Without a decent phone stand such as Fopydo or something else there's no >>>> purpose in acquiring OCR apps and that's my humble opinion. >>>> >>>> S poštovanjem >>>> Gordan Radić >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 1.7.2016. u 20:43, Grant je napisao/la: >>>>> Hi Joe, unfortunately, I couldn’t get Amedia to work reliably. >>>>> Occasionally, when my phone’s camera was pointed at a printed page, one >>>>> or two partial lines of text would be read aloud, generally in incomplete >>>>> form. I sought sighted assistance to make sure that I was in fact >>>>> aligning the camera and the document correctly and was told that the >>>>> image was in fact being displayed on the screen. I also tried Amedia and >>>>> KNFB Reader side by side with two documents, again with sighted >>>>> assistance,and KNFB performed OCR correctly whereas Amedia only read a >>>>> couple lines of garbled text. Like you, I have some trouble with KNFB >>>>> Reader also, but in my case I know that’s because I have difficulty >>>>> aligning the camera with the page perfectly. I don’t think there’s any >>>>> question that you’ll get better results with KNFB Reader though. For live >>>>> text recognition, Talking Goggles does a reasonable enough job so at >>>>> least you’ll know what document you’re holding. It requires an >>>>> internet connection to work, but there’s a free, ad-supported version. >>>>> >>>>> I accessed my receipt for Amedia Live Reader from the iTunes Store and >>>>> reported that the app wasn’t functioning for me, but I wasn’t offered a >>>>> refund. >>>>> >>>>> Hope this helps, >>>>> >>>>> Grant >>>>> >>>>>> On Friday July 1, 2016, at 8:12:38 AM, Joe <jsoro...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, what have people's experience been with Amedia Live Reader? The >>>>>> real-time reading function sounds intriguing, but the price tag gives one >>>>>> pause. I don't mind the investment though if people can show it's an >>>>>> effective app. I'm an idiot and cannot seem to make the KNFB Reader app >>>>>> work >>>>>> wel for me, and yeah, I fully admit this could just be user error. Thanks >>>>>> for your thoughts in advance. >>>>>> >>>>>> Joe >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Musings of a Work in Progress: >>>>>> www.JoeOrozco.com/ >>>>>> >>>>>> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone >>>>>> list. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >>>>>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >>>>>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>>>>> >>>>>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn >>>>>> - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>>>>> >>>>>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >>>>>> --- >>>>>> You received this m
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Per the subject of this post, has anyone tried Amedia Live Reader??? -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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n incomplete >>>> form. I sought sighted assistance to make sure that I was in fact aligning >>>> the camera and the document correctly and was told that the image was in >>>> fact being displayed on the screen. I also tried Amedia and KNFB Reader >>>> side by side with two documents, again with sighted assistance,and KNFB >>>> performed OCR correctly whereas Amedia only read a couple lines of garbled >>>> text. Like you, I have some trouble with KNFB Reader also, but in my case >>>> I know that’s because I have difficulty aligning the camera with the page >>>> perfectly. I don’t think there’s any question that you’ll get better >>>> results with KNFB Reader though. For live text recognition, Talking >>>> Goggles does a reasonable enough job so at least you’ll know what document >>>> you’re holding. It requires an internet connection to work, but there’s a >>>> free, ad-supported version. >>>> >>>> I accessed my receipt for Amedia Live Reader from the iTunes Store and >>>> reported that the app wasn’t functioning for me, but I wasn’t offered a >>>> refund. >>>> >>>> Hope this helps, >>>> >>>> Grant >>>> >>>>> On Friday July 1, 2016, at 8:12:38 AM, Joe <jsoro...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi, what have people's experience been with Amedia Live Reader? The >>>>> real-time reading function sounds intriguing, but the price tag gives one >>>>> pause. I don't mind the investment though if people can show it's an >>>>> effective app. I'm an idiot and cannot seem to make the KNFB Reader app >>>>> work >>>>> wel for me, and yeah, I fully admit this could just be user error. Thanks >>>>> for your thoughts in advance. >>>>> >>>>> Joe >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Musings of a Work in Progress: >>>>> www.JoeOrozco.com/ >>>>> >>>>> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone >>>>> list. >>>>> >>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >>>>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >>>>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>>>> >>>>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn >>>>> - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>>>> >>>>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >>>>> --- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "VIPhone" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>>> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. >>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone >>>> list. >>>> >>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >>>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >>>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>>> >>>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - >>>> you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>>> >>>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "VIPhone" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. >>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. >>>
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Hi Gordon, I would like to add my voice to Anne's here! I think it was both she and I who first championed the use of Prizmo, some years back, using the old 4 phone!! Certainly, at first it was a challenge, but we did get some results which would, at the very least, give one a good over-view of what was on the paper. When the KNFB app came out, or rather, when the hype leading up to its coming out, was at its hottest and they said "we won't be charging a lot for it", only to then announce that it would cost a wacking 100 Dollars, I decided I would never buy it, seeing it as one more example of the "rip-off" of the adaptive market. However, within a day or so of its appearing on the app store, I read sufch glowing reports of the app that I swallowed my pride and bought it. I have found it to be truly liberating! True, in those days I could see enough to tell if the targeted sheet was roughly on the screen, which helped emensely! but now, and for the last 2 years, I have had no sight at all, not even light, which used to be so useful in gaging the right ambience for taking shots, I am within 5 percent of my earlier success. I take shots, on the fly, such as in restaurants, from a sitting position, just raising one hand, not making any special effort, (not choosing to make too much of an exhibition of myself) of menus and have splendid success! I always am the one to check the post, before my other half, this used to drive him mad when I was using Prizmo, because it took quite a while to get results, but now, the the KNFB app, I am as quick as him putting on his reading glasses! Once the envelope is opened, KNFB is faster than he is at reading it for me (and often more accurate!!) I do agree with Anne, it may well help some of us, who have seen before, having an instinctive awareness of the requirements of the camera, but this isn't true of everyone, people, here on this list, have achieved equal results, having never seen! Finally, for those who just have disappointing results, I wish I could give them some one to one tips, but I think it might be necessary to be actually present. Because, I reckon there are tricks a methods which one can follow and which don't need judgement or too much spacial awareness. Just my twopence worth. Sandy. sent from the dark side of the moon > On 2 Jul 2016, at 08:20, Anne Robertson <annefromo...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Gordon, I have to disagree with you. For several years now, I have had very > good results freehand first with Prizmo and now with KNFBReader and I’m > totally blind. I think what makes the difference is whether we have good > spacial awareness or not. I was able to see perfectly as a young child, and > although I’ve seen nothing at all for around 55 years, my visual memory is > good. This helps me understand how to use apps with the camera. > > Cheers, > > Anne > > > >> On 1 Jul 2016, at 22:02, Gordan Radić <razbij...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi! >> Whatever people are saying, I never believed in ferrytales. Blind people >> acurately scanning text documents on the fly is just a ferrytale to me. >> I managed to get some decent results with KNFB Reader and Textgrabber but >> those were third or fourth shots in both apps. Giving hundreed bucks for >> KNFB Reader just to get some partial results is too much for me; >> fortunately, Textgrabber went free and now has in-app purchases for >> translations. >> Without a decent phone stand such as Fopydo or something else there's no >> purpose in acquiring OCR apps and that's my humble opinion. >> >> S poštovanjem >> Gordan Radić >> >> >> >> 1.7.2016. u 20:43, Grant je napisao/la: >>> Hi Joe, unfortunately, I couldn’t get Amedia to work reliably. >>> Occasionally, when my phone’s camera was pointed at a printed page, one or >>> two partial lines of text would be read aloud, generally in incomplete >>> form. I sought sighted assistance to make sure that I was in fact aligning >>> the camera and the document correctly and was told that the image was in >>> fact being displayed on the screen. I also tried Amedia and KNFB Reader >>> side by side with two documents, again with sighted assistance,and KNFB >>> performed OCR correctly whereas Amedia only read a couple lines of garbled >>> text. Like you, I have some trouble with KNFB Reader also, but in my case I >>> know that’s because I have difficulty aligning the camera with the page >>> perfectly. I don’t think there’s any question that you’ll get better >>> results with KNFB Reader though. For live text recognition, Talking Goggles >>> does a reasonable enough
Re: Amedia Live Reader
Gordon, I have to disagree with you. For several years now, I have had very good results freehand first with Prizmo and now with KNFBReader and I’m totally blind. I think what makes the difference is whether we have good spacial awareness or not. I was able to see perfectly as a young child, and although I’ve seen nothing at all for around 55 years, my visual memory is good. This helps me understand how to use apps with the camera. Cheers, Anne > On 1 Jul 2016, at 22:02, Gordan Radić <razbij...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi! > Whatever people are saying, I never believed in ferrytales. Blind people > acurately scanning text documents on the fly is just a ferrytale to me. > I managed to get some decent results with KNFB Reader and Textgrabber but > those were third or fourth shots in both apps. Giving hundreed bucks for KNFB > Reader just to get some partial results is too much for me; fortunately, > Textgrabber went free and now has in-app purchases for translations. > Without a decent phone stand such as Fopydo or something else there's no > purpose in acquiring OCR apps and that's my humble opinion. > > S poštovanjem > Gordan Radić <mailto://gordan.ra...@gmail.com> > <http://www.nemoviz.org/> > <mailto://i...@nemoviz.org> > <http://www.facebook.com/nemoviz> > <http://www.twitter.com/nemoviz2014> > 1.7.2016. u 20:43, Grant je napisao/la: >> Hi Joe, unfortunately, I couldn’t get Amedia to work reliably. Occasionally, >> when my phone’s camera was pointed at a printed page, one or two partial >> lines of text would be read aloud, generally in incomplete form. I sought >> sighted assistance to make sure that I was in fact aligning the camera and >> the document correctly and was told that the image was in fact being >> displayed on the screen. I also tried Amedia and KNFB Reader side by side >> with two documents, again with sighted assistance,and KNFB performed OCR >> correctly whereas Amedia only read a couple lines of garbled text. Like you, >> I have some trouble with KNFB Reader also, but in my case I know that’s >> because I have difficulty aligning the camera with the page perfectly. I >> don’t think there’s any question that you’ll get better results with KNFB >> Reader though. For live text recognition, Talking Goggles does a reasonable >> enough job so at least you’ll know what document you’re holding. It requires >> an internet connection to work, but there’s a free, ad-supported version. >> >> I accessed my receipt for Amedia Live Reader from the iTunes Store and >> reported that the app wasn’t functioning for me, but I wasn’t offered a >> refund. >> >> Hope this helps, >> >> Grant >> >>> On Friday July 1, 2016, at 8:12:38 AM, Joe <jsoro...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:jsoro...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi, what have people's experience been with Amedia Live Reader? The >>> real-time reading function sounds intriguing, but the price tag gives one >>> pause. I don't mind the investment though if people can show it's an >>> effective app. I'm an idiot and cannot seem to make the KNFB Reader app work >>> wel for me, and yeah, I fully admit this could just be user error. Thanks >>> for your thoughts in advance. >>> >>> Joe >>> >>> -- >>> Musings of a Work in Progress: >>> www.JoeOrozco.com/ <http://www.joeorozco.com/> >>> >>> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners >>> or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>> >>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - >>> you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>> <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> >>> >>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >>> <http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/> >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "VIPhone" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>> <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@
RE: Amedia Live Reader
We use knfb to shoot packaged material and cans and jars if there is no hit in our bar code reader and get pretty good results even though the reader is not advertised to do rounded objects. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 3:26 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Amedia Live Reader Hi Gordan, I definitely would disagree with you here. I think many of the KNFB Reader users get very good results freehand on the first try. I can certainly say that as long as I have a desk or table where I can put down the page or printed material I will get a very good result on the first attempt. I rarely even use the field of view report function since by now I know how high to raise the phone off the page depending on the size of the page and if I do use the field of view report I find that I almost always am within less than 10 degrees of rotation copared to the print and KNFB Reader seems to handle that no problem. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Gordan Radic Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 1:03 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Amedia Live Reader Hi! Whatever people are saying, I never believed in ferrytales. Blind people acurately scanning text documents on the fly is just a ferrytale to me. I managed to get some decent results with KNFB Reader and Textgrabber but those were third or fourth shots in both apps. Giving hundreed bucks for KNFB Reader just to get some partial results is too much for me; fortunately, Textgrabber went free and now has in-app purchases for translations. Without a decent phone stand such as Fopydo or something else there's no purpose in acquiring OCR apps and that's my humble opinion. S poštovanjem <mailto://gordan.ra...@gmail.com> Gordan Radić <http://www.nemoviz.org> <mailto://i...@nemoviz.org> <http://www.facebook.com/nemoviz> <http://www.twitter.com/nemoviz2014> 1.7.2016. u 20:43, Grant je napisao/la: Hi Joe, unfortunately, I couldn’t get Amedia to work reliably. Occasionally, when my phone’s camera was pointed at a printed page, one or two partial lines of text would be read aloud, generally in incomplete form. I sought sighted assistance to make sure that I was in fact aligning the camera and the document correctly and was told that the image was in fact being displayed on the screen. I also tried Amedia and KNFB Reader side by side with two documents, again with sighted assistance,and KNFB performed OCR correctly whereas Amedia only read a couple lines of garbled text. Like you, I have some trouble with KNFB Reader also, but in my case I know that’s because I have difficulty aligning the camera with the page perfectly. I don’t think there’s any question that you’ll get better results with KNFB Reader though. For live text recognition, Talking Goggles does a reasonable enough job so at least you’ll know what document you’re holding. It requires an internet connection to work, but there’s a free, ad-supported version. I accessed my receipt for Amedia Live Reader from the iTunes Store and reported that the app wasn’t functioning for me, but I wasn’t offered a refund. Hope this helps, Grant On Friday July 1, 2016, at 8:12:38 AM, Joe <jsoro...@gmail.com <mailto:jsoro...@gmail.com> > wrote: Hi, what have people's experience been with Amedia Live Reader? The real-time reading function sounds intriguing, but the price tag gives one pause. I don't mind the investment though if people can show it's an effective app. I'm an idiot and cannot seem to make the KNFB Reader app work wel for me, and yeah, I fully admit this could just be user error. Thanks for your thoughts in advance. Joe -- Musings of a Work in Progress: www.JoeOrozco.com/ <http://www.joeorozco.com/> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:vi
RE: Amedia Live Reader
Hi Gordan, I definitely would disagree with you here. I think many of the KNFB Reader users get very good results freehand on the first try. I can certainly say that as long as I have a desk or table where I can put down the page or printed material I will get a very good result on the first attempt. I rarely even use the field of view report function since by now I know how high to raise the phone off the page depending on the size of the page and if I do use the field of view report I find that I almost always am within less than 10 degrees of rotation copared to the print and KNFB Reader seems to handle that no problem. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Gordan Radic Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 1:03 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Amedia Live Reader Hi! Whatever people are saying, I never believed in ferrytales. Blind people acurately scanning text documents on the fly is just a ferrytale to me. I managed to get some decent results with KNFB Reader and Textgrabber but those were third or fourth shots in both apps. Giving hundreed bucks for KNFB Reader just to get some partial results is too much for me; fortunately, Textgrabber went free and now has in-app purchases for translations. Without a decent phone stand such as Fopydo or something else there's no purpose in acquiring OCR apps and that's my humble opinion. S poštovanjem Gordan Radić<mailto://gordan.ra...@gmail.com> [Posjetite-portal-Nemoguća-vizija]<http://www.nemoviz.org> [Pišite nam]<mailto://i...@nemoviz.org> [Posjetitenas na Facebooku]<http://www.facebook.com/nemoviz> [Pratite nas na Twitteru]<http://www.twitter.com/nemoviz2014> 1.7.2016. u 20:43, Grant je napisao/la: Hi Joe, unfortunately, I couldn’t get Amedia to work reliably. Occasionally, when my phone’s camera was pointed at a printed page, one or two partial lines of text would be read aloud, generally in incomplete form. I sought sighted assistance to make sure that I was in fact aligning the camera and the document correctly and was told that the image was in fact being displayed on the screen. I also tried Amedia and KNFB Reader side by side with two documents, again with sighted assistance,and KNFB performed OCR correctly whereas Amedia only read a couple lines of garbled text. Like you, I have some trouble with KNFB Reader also, but in my case I know that’s because I have difficulty aligning the camera with the page perfectly. I don’t think there’s any question that you’ll get better results with KNFB Reader though. For live text recognition, Talking Goggles does a reasonable enough job so at least you’ll know what document you’re holding. It requires an internet connection to work, but there’s a free, ad-supported version. I accessed my receipt for Amedia Live Reader from the iTunes Store and reported that the app wasn’t functioning for me, but I wasn’t offered a refund. Hope this helps, Grant On Friday July 1, 2016, at 8:12:38 AM, Joe <jsoro...@gmail.com<mailto:jsoro...@gmail.com>> wrote: Hi, what have people's experience been with Amedia Live Reader? The real-time reading function sounds intriguing, but the price tag gives one pause. I don't mind the investment though if people can show it's an effective app. I'm an idiot and cannot seem to make the KNFB Reader app work wel for me, and yeah, I fully admit this could just be user error. Thanks for your thoughts in advance. Joe -- Musings of a Work in Progress: www.JoeOrozco.com/<http://www.joeorozco.com/> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com<mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list
Re: Amedia Live Reader
Hi!
Whatever people are saying, I never believed in ferrytales. Blind
people acurately scanning text documents on the fly is just a
ferrytale to me.
I managed to get some decent results with KNFB Reader and
Textgrabber but those were third or fourth shots in both apps.
Giving hundreed bucks for KNFB Reader just to get some partial
results is too much for me; fortunately, Textgrabber went free and
now has in-app purchases for translations.
Without a decent phone stand such as Fopydo or something else
there's no purpose in acquiring OCR apps and that's my humble
opinion.
S poštovanjem
Gordan Radić
1.7.2016. u 20:43, Grant je napisao/la:
Hi Joe, unfortunately, I couldn’t get Amedia to work reliably.
Occasionally, when my phone’s camera was pointed at a printed
page, one or two partial lines of text would be read aloud,
generally in incomplete form. I sought sighted assistance to make
sure that I was in fact aligning the camera and the document
correctly and was told that the image was in fact being displayed
on the screen. I also tried Amedia and KNFB Reader side by side
with two documents, again with sighted assistance,and KNFB
performed OCR correctly whereas Amedia only read a couple lines of
garbled text. Like you, I have some trouble with KNFB Reader also,
but in my case I know that’s because I have difficulty aligning
the camera with the page perfectly. I don’t think there’s any
question that you’ll get better results with KNFB Reader though.
For live text recognition, Talking Goggles does a reasonable
enough job so at least you’ll know what document you’re holding.
It requires an internet connection to work, but there’s a free,
ad-supported version.
I accessed my receipt for Amedia Live Reader from
the iTunes Store and reported that the app wasn’t functioning
for me, but I wasn’t offered a refund.
Hope this helps,
Grant
On Friday July 1, 2016, at 8:12:38 AM, Joe
<jsoro...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Hi, what have people's experience been with
Amedia Live Reader? The
real-time reading function sounds intriguing, but the
price tag gives one
pause. I don't mind the investment though if people can
show it's an
effective app. I'm an idiot and cannot seem to make the
KNFB Reader app work
wel for me, and yeah, I fully admit this could just be
user error. Thanks
for your thoughts in advance.
Joe
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Re: Amedia Live Reader
Hi Joe, unfortunately, I couldn’t get Amedia to work reliably. Occasionally, when my phone’s camera was pointed at a printed page, one or two partial lines of text would be read aloud, generally in incomplete form. I sought sighted assistance to make sure that I was in fact aligning the camera and the document correctly and was told that the image was in fact being displayed on the screen. I also tried Amedia and KNFB Reader side by side with two documents, again with sighted assistance,and KNFB performed OCR correctly whereas Amedia only read a couple lines of garbled text. Like you, I have some trouble with KNFB Reader also, but in my case I know that’s because I have difficulty aligning the camera with the page perfectly. I don’t think there’s any question that you’ll get better results with KNFB Reader though. For live text recognition, Talking Goggles does a reasonable enough job so at least you’ll know what document you’re holding. It requires an internet connection to work, but there’s a free, ad-supported version. I accessed my receipt for Amedia Live Reader from the iTunes Store and reported that the app wasn’t functioning for me, but I wasn’t offered a refund. Hope this helps, Grant > On Friday July 1, 2016, at 8:12:38 AM, Joe <jsoro...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi, what have people's experience been with Amedia Live Reader? The > real-time reading function sounds intriguing, but the price tag gives one > pause. I don't mind the investment though if people can show it's an > effective app. I'm an idiot and cannot seem to make the KNFB Reader app work > wel for me, and yeah, I fully admit this could just be user error. Thanks > for your thoughts in advance. > > Joe > > -- > Musings of a Work in Progress: > www.JoeOrozco.com/ > > Twitter: @ScribblingJoe > > > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - > you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Amedia Live Reader
Hi, what have people's experience been with Amedia Live Reader? The real-time reading function sounds intriguing, but the price tag gives one pause. I don't mind the investment though if people can show it's an effective app. I'm an idiot and cannot seem to make the KNFB Reader app work wel for me, and yeah, I fully admit this could just be user error. Thanks for your thoughts in advance. Joe -- Musings of a Work in Progress: www.JoeOrozco.com/ Twitter: @ScribblingJoe -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: Amedia Live Reader app
Hi Grant, This sounds interesting if it works well, but I am also not quite prepared to shell out $40 Canadian (I assume it's $29.99 in the US) for a new app which nobody seems to have ever heard about. I also wonder about the following item in the feature explanation: Hold the device flat (with the camera facing down) to take a still picture. This is useful when you're reading paper sheets on a desk. I wonder if this means that one has no control whether you want to hear live scan results when holding the device flat because if so then I think this should be changed to give the user control over whether to take a still picture or to use video. I may have a bunch of mail I might not necessarily want to scan accurately but I might want to just go through it and identify what' s what. In that case I would want to sit at my table or desk and hold the phone above the mail to hear what it reads to me in live video mode. Then of course there is the big question about how well it may read LCD displays on appliances or the computer screen. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Grant Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2016 7:18 PM To: Viphone List <viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Amedia Live Reader app Hi all, Wondering if anybody has tried this app, which apparently provides real-time OCR using the FineReader engine. I have not purchased it as I would rather wait to hear a few users’ reviews first. Amedia Live Reader by Amedia Corporation https://appsto.re/ca/YCPa-.i Thanks! Grant -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Amedia Live Reader app
Hi all, Wondering if anybody has tried this app, which apparently provides real-time OCR using the FineReader engine. I have not purchased it as I would rather wait to hear a few users’ reviews first. Amedia Live Reader by Amedia Corporation https://appsto.re/ca/YCPa-.i Thanks! Grant -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
