Another formatting question with Braille Touch
Hello everybody: there is another difference in formatting between braille and print we need to account for. In print, two spaces follow a periojd, whereas in braille it is only one. can we add this into a formatting conversion algorythm as well? Thank you. Typed with BrailleTouch Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: Another formatting question with Braille Touch
Hi, Actually the two spaces in print has been dropped in favor of paragraph marks. Jon -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Fenton Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 6:54 AM To: Viphone Subject: Another formatting question with Braille Touch Hello everybody: there is another difference in formatting between braille and print we need to account for. In print, two spaces follow a periojd, whereas in braille it is only one. can we add this into a formatting conversion algorythm as well? Thank you. Typed with BrailleTouch Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Another formatting question with Braille Touch
We are talking about periods not paragraphs when referencing two spaces after a period. R Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-02-02, at 8:45 AM, "Jon Pierson" wrote: > Hi, > Actually the two spaces in print has been dropped in favor of paragraph > marks. > > Jon > > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf > Of Robert Fenton > Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 6:54 AM > To: Viphone > Subject: Another formatting question with Braille Touch > > Hello everybody: > > there is another difference in formatting between braille and print we need > to account for. In print, two spaces follow a periojd, whereas in braille it > is only one. can we add this into a formatting conversion algorythm as well? > Thank you. > > > Typed with BrailleTouch > > > Bob Fenton > > Sent from my iPhone > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google > Group. > To search the VIPhone public archive, visit > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google > Group. > To search the VIPhone public archive, visit > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Another formatting question with Braille Touch
Actually, the two spaces after a period rule is changing. Nowadays, many documents are written with just one space after the period. My suggestion is that no formatting algorithm be created. Instead, like with most things, formatting should be the responsibility of the individual author. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 03/02/2013, at 3:54, Robert Fenton wrote: > Hello everybody: > > there is another difference in formatting between braille and print we need > to account for. In print, two spaces follow a periojd, whereas in braille it > is only one. can we add this into a formatting conversion algorythm as well? > Thank you. > > > Typed with BrailleTouch > > > Bob Fenton > > Sent from my iPhone > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google > Group. > To search the VIPhone public archive, visit > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Another formatting question with Braille Touch
The point David is that you want the app to be both as convenient and usable as possible. In my profession, two spaces after a period is still the accepted standard for submitting written work. Leaving it to people to insert extra spaces themselves could lead to confusion especially among those learning braille who are now having to learn a new set of formatting rules. By doing nothing, we are in a sense creating a set of conventions that if you write braille with braille touch, you have to format your braille as if you were preparing a print text. How does that assist braille teachers with teaching braille formatting rules? Just some more thoughts to consider. Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-02-02, at 9:47 AM, David Chittenden wrote: > Actually, the two spaces after a period rule is changing. Nowadays, many > documents are written with just one space after the period. > > My suggestion is that no formatting algorithm be created. Instead, like with > most things, formatting should be the responsibility of the individual author. > > David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA > Email: dchitten...@gmail.com > Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 > Sent from my iPhone > > On 03/02/2013, at 3:54, Robert Fenton wrote: > >> Hello everybody: >> >> there is another difference in formatting between braille and print we need >> to account for. In print, two spaces follow a periojd, whereas in braille it >> is only one. can we add this into a formatting conversion algorythm as well? >> Thank you. >> >> >> Typed with BrailleTouch >> >> >> Bob Fenton >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google >> Group. >> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit >> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >> To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "VIPhone" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google > Group. > To search the VIPhone public archive, visit > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Another formatting question with Braille Touch
Are new braille learners more likely to write braille electronically or on paper? The reason for the different Braille formatting rules is because, on paper, Braille is so much larger than print. As a congenitally blind learner who grew up on Braille formatting rules, it has been complicated for me to learn print formatting rules as an adult. With much of Braille being electronic nowadays, I submit that Braille be taught with print, rather than Braille, formatting rules. Further, I submit that congenitally blind learners be taught print tactually with tactile experience of differing sized letters and experience of different font types. Otherwise, the confusion amongst the blind around characters per line, character spacing, line spacing, and so forth, will continue. One of the reasons it is easy for me to get my head around such concepts is that my mother taught me print letters using plastic letter magnets before I went to school and started learning Braille. Because of that, I tactually read some print signage such as number plates on doors, when the signage is engraved or embossed rather than just painted on. Even when typewriters were used, there wasn't a standard number of spaces to use for indenting a print paragraph. The two main typing letter faces required 5 or 10 spaces for one of them, and seven or twelve spaces for the other one (depending on whether the indent was .5 or 1 inch. with computer fonts being more like hand printing such that many fonts no longer use block letter sizes, but instead allow different letters to be different widths, in my opinion, sticking to Braille's antiquated formatting rules will most likely serve to further isolate blind people. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 03/02/2013, at 5:59, Robert Fenton wrote: > The point David is that you want the app to be both as convenient and usable > as possible. In my profession, two spaces after a period is still the > accepted standard for submitting written work. Leaving it to people to insert > extra spaces themselves could lead to confusion especially among those > learning braille who are now having to learn a new set of formatting rules. > By doing nothing, we are in a sense creating a set of conventions that if you > write braille with braille touch, you have to format your braille as if you > were preparing a print text. How does that assist braille teachers with > teaching braille formatting rules? > > Just some more thoughts to consider. > > Bob Fenton > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 2013-02-02, at 9:47 AM, David Chittenden wrote: > >> Actually, the two spaces after a period rule is changing. Nowadays, many >> documents are written with just one space after the period. >> >> My suggestion is that no formatting algorithm be created. Instead, like with >> most things, formatting should be the responsibility of the individual >> author. >> >> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA >> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com >> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 03/02/2013, at 3:54, Robert Fenton wrote: >> >>> Hello everybody: >>> >>> there is another difference in formatting between braille and print we need >>> to account for. In print, two spaces follow a periojd, whereas in braille >>> it is only one. can we add this into a formatting conversion algorythm as >>> well? Thank you. >>> >>> >>> Typed with BrailleTouch >>> >>> >>> Bob Fenton >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" >>> Google Group. >>> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >>> To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "VIPhone" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google >> Group. >> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit >> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >> To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "VIPhone" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegrou
Re: Another formatting question with Braille Touch
Hi Bob, putting two spaces after a full stop/period was dropped quite some time ago. The convention now is not to do it. Jonathan On 3/02/2013, at 5:59 AM, Robert Fenton wrote: > The point David is that you want the app to be both as convenient and usable > as possible. In my profession, two spaces after a period is still the > accepted standard for submitting written work. Leaving it to people to insert > extra spaces themselves could lead to confusion especially among those > learning braille who are now having to learn a new set of formatting rules. > By doing nothing, we are in a sense creating a set of conventions that if you > write braille with braille touch, you have to format your braille as if you > were preparing a print text. How does that assist braille teachers with > teaching braille formatting rules? > > Just some more thoughts to consider. > > Bob Fenton > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 2013-02-02, at 9:47 AM, David Chittenden wrote: > >> Actually, the two spaces after a period rule is changing. Nowadays, many >> documents are written with just one space after the period. >> >> My suggestion is that no formatting algorithm be created. Instead, like with >> most things, formatting should be the responsibility of the individual >> author. >> >> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA >> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com >> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 03/02/2013, at 3:54, Robert Fenton wrote: >> >>> Hello everybody: >>> >>> there is another difference in formatting between braille and print we need >>> to account for. In print, two spaces follow a periojd, whereas in braille >>> it is only one. can we add this into a formatting conversion algorythm as >>> well? Thank you. >>> >>> >>> Typed with BrailleTouch >>> >>> >>> Bob Fenton >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" >>> Google Group. >>> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >>> To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "VIPhone" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google >> Group. >> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit >> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >> To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "VIPhone" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google > Group. > To search the VIPhone public archive, visit > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Another formatting question with Braille Touch
Jonathan, that is not the practice that is used in the legal profession, hence my earlier statement. Our rules of court still mandate two spaces after a period. Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-02-02, at 11:33 AM, Jonathan Mosen wrote: > Hi Bob, putting two spaces after a full stop/period was dropped quite some > time ago. The convention now is not to do it. > > Jonathan > On 3/02/2013, at 5:59 AM, Robert Fenton wrote: > >> The point David is that you want the app to be both as convenient and usable >> as possible. In my profession, two spaces after a period is still the >> accepted standard for submitting written work. Leaving it to people to >> insert extra spaces themselves could lead to confusion especially among >> those learning braille who are now having to learn a new set of formatting >> rules. By doing nothing, we are in a sense creating a set of conventions >> that if you write braille with braille touch, you have to format your >> braille as if you were preparing a print text. How does that assist braille >> teachers with teaching braille formatting rules? >> >> Just some more thoughts to consider. >> >> Bob Fenton >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 2013-02-02, at 9:47 AM, David Chittenden wrote: >> >>> Actually, the two spaces after a period rule is changing. Nowadays, many >>> documents are written with just one space after the period. >>> >>> My suggestion is that no formatting algorithm be created. Instead, like >>> with most things, formatting should be the responsibility of the individual >>> author. >>> >>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA >>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com >>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On 03/02/2013, at 3:54, Robert Fenton wrote: >>> Hello everybody: there is another difference in formatting between braille and print we need to account for. In print, two spaces follow a periojd, whereas in braille it is only one. can we add this into a formatting conversion algorythm as well? Thank you. Typed with BrailleTouch Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" >>> Google Group. >>> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >>> To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "VIPhone" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google >> Group. >> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit >> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >> To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "VIPhone" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google > Group. > To search the VIPhone public archive, visit > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. > --- > You received this message because you
Re: Another formatting question with Braille Touch
Hi Bob, I won't belabour the point because I risk being off topic, but this isn't correct. Here's just one of many sources I was able to look up to substantiate what I'm saying. http://abovethelaw.com/2011/08/small-firms-big-lawyers-a-period-piece/#more-90526 On 3/02/2013, at 9:53 AM, Robert Fenton wrote: > Jonathan, that is not the practice that is used in the legal profession, > hence my earlier statement. Our rules of court still mandate two spaces after > a period. > > Bob Fenton > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 2013-02-02, at 11:33 AM, Jonathan Mosen wrote: > >> Hi Bob, putting two spaces after a full stop/period was dropped quite some >> time ago. The convention now is not to do it. >> >> Jonathan >> On 3/02/2013, at 5:59 AM, Robert Fenton wrote: >> >>> The point David is that you want the app to be both as convenient and >>> usable as possible. In my profession, two spaces after a period is still >>> the accepted standard for submitting written work. Leaving it to people to >>> insert extra spaces themselves could lead to confusion especially among >>> those learning braille who are now having to learn a new set of formatting >>> rules. By doing nothing, we are in a sense creating a set of conventions >>> that if you write braille with braille touch, you have to format your >>> braille as if you were preparing a print text. How does that assist braille >>> teachers with teaching braille formatting rules? >>> >>> Just some more thoughts to consider. >>> >>> Bob Fenton >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On 2013-02-02, at 9:47 AM, David Chittenden wrote: >>> Actually, the two spaces after a period rule is changing. Nowadays, many documents are written with just one space after the period. My suggestion is that no formatting algorithm be created. Instead, like with most things, formatting should be the responsibility of the individual author. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 03/02/2013, at 3:54, Robert Fenton wrote: > Hello everybody: > > there is another difference in formatting between braille and print we > need to account for. In print, two spaces follow a periojd, whereas in > braille it is only one. can we add this into a formatting conversion > algorythm as well? Thank you. > > > Typed with BrailleTouch > > > Bob Fenton > > Sent from my iPhone > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" > Google Group. > To search the VIPhone public archive, visit > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" >>> Google Group. >>> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >>> To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "VIPhone" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you
Re: Another formatting question with Braille Touch
Jonathan, that is an American source. In Canada we require two spaces. Strangely enough, it is legislated in our rules of court in some provinces. Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-02-02, at 2:54 PM, Jonathan Mosen wrote: > Hi Bob, I won't belabour the point because I risk being off topic, but this > isn't correct. Here's just one of many sources I was able to look up to > substantiate what I'm saying. > http://abovethelaw.com/2011/08/small-firms-big-lawyers-a-period-piece/#more-90526 > On 3/02/2013, at 9:53 AM, Robert Fenton wrote: > >> Jonathan, that is not the practice that is used in the legal profession, >> hence my earlier statement. Our rules of court still mandate two spaces >> after a period. >> >> Bob Fenton >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 2013-02-02, at 11:33 AM, Jonathan Mosen wrote: >> >>> Hi Bob, putting two spaces after a full stop/period was dropped quite some >>> time ago. The convention now is not to do it. >>> >>> Jonathan >>> On 3/02/2013, at 5:59 AM, Robert Fenton wrote: >>> The point David is that you want the app to be both as convenient and usable as possible. In my profession, two spaces after a period is still the accepted standard for submitting written work. Leaving it to people to insert extra spaces themselves could lead to confusion especially among those learning braille who are now having to learn a new set of formatting rules. By doing nothing, we are in a sense creating a set of conventions that if you write braille with braille touch, you have to format your braille as if you were preparing a print text. How does that assist braille teachers with teaching braille formatting rules? Just some more thoughts to consider. Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-02-02, at 9:47 AM, David Chittenden wrote: > Actually, the two spaces after a period rule is changing. Nowadays, many > documents are written with just one space after the period. > > My suggestion is that no formatting algorithm be created. Instead, like > with most things, formatting should be the responsibility of the > individual author. > > David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA > Email: dchitten...@gmail.com > Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 > Sent from my iPhone > > On 03/02/2013, at 3:54, Robert Fenton wrote: > >> Hello everybody: >> >> there is another difference in formatting between braille and print we >> need to account for. In print, two spaces follow a periojd, whereas in >> braille it is only one. can we add this into a formatting conversion >> algorythm as well? Thank you. >> >> >> Typed with BrailleTouch >> >> >> Bob Fenton >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" >> Google Group. >> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit >> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >> To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "VIPhone" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >> an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" > Google Group. > To search the VIPhone public archive, visit > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this mes
Re: Another formatting question with Braille Touch
Which is perfect proof that we do not want such formatting rules to be added to Braille Touch. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 03/02/2013, at 13:16, Robert Fenton wrote: > Jonathan, that is an American source. In Canada we require two spaces. > Strangely enough, it is legislated in our rules of court in some provinces. > > Bob Fenton > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 2013-02-02, at 2:54 PM, Jonathan Mosen wrote: > >> Hi Bob, I won't belabour the point because I risk being off topic, but this >> isn't correct. Here's just one of many sources I was able to look up to >> substantiate what I'm saying. >> http://abovethelaw.com/2011/08/small-firms-big-lawyers-a-period-piece/#more-90526 >> On 3/02/2013, at 9:53 AM, Robert Fenton wrote: >> >>> Jonathan, that is not the practice that is used in the legal profession, >>> hence my earlier statement. Our rules of court still mandate two spaces >>> after a period. >>> >>> Bob Fenton >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On 2013-02-02, at 11:33 AM, Jonathan Mosen wrote: >>> Hi Bob, putting two spaces after a full stop/period was dropped quite some time ago. The convention now is not to do it. Jonathan On 3/02/2013, at 5:59 AM, Robert Fenton wrote: > The point David is that you want the app to be both as convenient and > usable as possible. In my profession, two spaces after a period is still > the accepted standard for submitting written work. Leaving it to people > to insert extra spaces themselves could lead to confusion especially > among those learning braille who are now having to learn a new set of > formatting rules. By doing nothing, we are in a sense creating a set of > conventions that if you write braille with braille touch, you have to > format your braille as if you were preparing a print text. How does that > assist braille teachers with teaching braille formatting rules? > > Just some more thoughts to consider. > > Bob Fenton > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 2013-02-02, at 9:47 AM, David Chittenden wrote: > >> Actually, the two spaces after a period rule is changing. Nowadays, many >> documents are written with just one space after the period. >> >> My suggestion is that no formatting algorithm be created. Instead, like >> with most things, formatting should be the responsibility of the >> individual author. >> >> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA >> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com >> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 03/02/2013, at 3:54, Robert Fenton wrote: >> >>> Hello everybody: >>> >>> there is another difference in formatting between braille and print we >>> need to account for. In print, two spaces follow a periojd, whereas in >>> braille it is only one. can we add this into a formatting conversion >>> algorythm as well? Thank you. >>> >>> >>> Typed with BrailleTouch >>> >>> >>> Bob Fenton >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" >>> Google Group. >>> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >>> To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "VIPhone" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" >> Google Group. >> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit >> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >> To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "VIPhone" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >> an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" > Google Group. > To search the VIPhone pub
Re: Another formatting question with Braille Touch
Then the solution is for the developer to find the most widely used Braille format and not just for Canadians. LS - Original Message - From: "Robert Fenton" To: Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 4:16 PM Subject: Re: Another formatting question with Braille Touch Jonathan, that is an American source. In Canada we require two spaces. Strangely enough, it is legislated in our rules of court in some provinces. Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-02-02, at 2:54 PM, Jonathan Mosen wrote: Hi Bob, I won't belabour the point because I risk being off topic, but this isn't correct. Here's just one of many sources I was able to look up to substantiate what I'm saying. http://abovethelaw.com/2011/08/small-firms-big-lawyers-a-period-piece/#more-90526 On 3/02/2013, at 9:53 AM, Robert Fenton wrote: Jonathan, that is not the practice that is used in the legal profession, hence my earlier statement. Our rules of court still mandate two spaces after a period. Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-02-02, at 11:33 AM, Jonathan Mosen wrote: Hi Bob, putting two spaces after a full stop/period was dropped quite some time ago. The convention now is not to do it. Jonathan On 3/02/2013, at 5:59 AM, Robert Fenton wrote: The point David is that you want the app to be both as convenient and usable as possible. In my profession, two spaces after a period is still the accepted standard for submitting written work. Leaving it to people to insert extra spaces themselves could lead to confusion especially among those learning braille who are now having to learn a new set of formatting rules. By doing nothing, we are in a sense creating a set of conventions that if you write braille with braille touch, you have to format your braille as if you were preparing a print text. How does that assist braille teachers with teaching braille formatting rules? Just some more thoughts to consider. Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-02-02, at 9:47 AM, David Chittenden wrote: Actually, the two spaces after a period rule is changing. Nowadays, many documents are written with just one space after the period. My suggestion is that no formatting algorithm be created. Instead, like with most things, formatting should be the responsibility of the individual author. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 03/02/2013, at 3:54, Robert Fenton wrote: Hello everybody: there is another difference in formatting between braille and print we need to account for. In print, two spaces follow a periojd, whereas in braille it is only one. can we add this into a formatting conversion algorythm as well? Thank you. Typed with BrailleTouch Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://grou
Re: Another formatting question with Braille Touch
Using modern word processors, when producing a research paper using MLA or APA style, there should be only a single space character after a period and other punctuation marks. By the way, Whenever one presses the period, a space character of about 1.5 the normal length is placed. In other words, with the advent of word processors, the older formats for submitting research papers and such has changed. LS - Original Message - From: "Robert Fenton" To: Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 8:59 AM Subject: Re: Another formatting question with Braille Touch The point David is that you want the app to be both as convenient and usable as possible. In my profession, two spaces after a period is still the accepted standard for submitting written work. Leaving it to people to insert extra spaces themselves could lead to confusion especially among those learning braille who are now having to learn a new set of formatting rules. By doing nothing, we are in a sense creating a set of conventions that if you write braille with braille touch, you have to format your braille as if you were preparing a print text. How does that assist braille teachers with teaching braille formatting rules? Just some more thoughts to consider. Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-02-02, at 9:47 AM, David Chittenden wrote: Actually, the two spaces after a period rule is changing. Nowadays, many documents are written with just one space after the period. My suggestion is that no formatting algorithm be created. Instead, like with most things, formatting should be the responsibility of the individual author. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 03/02/2013, at 3:54, Robert Fenton wrote: Hello everybody: there is another difference in formatting between braille and print we need to account for. In print, two spaces follow a periojd, whereas in braille it is only one. can we add this into a formatting conversion algorythm as well? Thank you. Typed with BrailleTouch Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Another formatting question with Braille Touch
"Mandate," I think that's a bit strong. I just spoke with my husband's sister who writes court reports as a part of her work. She said that double spacing is not mandated. In other words, a single or double space after a period ultimately makes no difference and is probably more legacy structure than anything. LS - Original Message - From: "Robert Fenton" To: Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 12:53 PM Subject: Re: Another formatting question with Braille Touch Jonathan, that is not the practice that is used in the legal profession, hence my earlier statement. Our rules of court still mandate two spaces after a period. Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-02-02, at 11:33 AM, Jonathan Mosen wrote: Hi Bob, putting two spaces after a full stop/period was dropped quite some time ago. The convention now is not to do it. Jonathan On 3/02/2013, at 5:59 AM, Robert Fenton wrote: The point David is that you want the app to be both as convenient and usable as possible. In my profession, two spaces after a period is still the accepted standard for submitting written work. Leaving it to people to insert extra spaces themselves could lead to confusion especially among those learning braille who are now having to learn a new set of formatting rules. By doing nothing, we are in a sense creating a set of conventions that if you write braille with braille touch, you have to format your braille as if you were preparing a print text. How does that assist braille teachers with teaching braille formatting rules? Just some more thoughts to consider. Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-02-02, at 9:47 AM, David Chittenden wrote: Actually, the two spaces after a period rule is changing. Nowadays, many documents are written with just one space after the period. My suggestion is that no formatting algorithm be created. Instead, like with most things, formatting should be the responsibility of the individual author. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 03/02/2013, at 3:54, Robert Fenton wrote: Hello everybody: there is another difference in formatting between braille and print we need to account for. In print, two spaces follow a periojd, whereas in braille it is only one. can we add this into a formatting conversion algorythm as well? Thank you. Typed with BrailleTouch Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to v
RE: Another formatting question with Braille Touch
I agree with you, I used the Optacon for years in my work, have the sore shoulder to prove I learned to use computers with the Optacon. There are lot of weird fonts, symbols and conventions to print and the only way I really understood that was after I got the Optacon in 1976. I could write printed capital letters fairly well at that time cause mom taught me and we had the shapes from a children's set to work with but lower case letters were way different. Proportional fonts are the hardest to read because each letter's size is dependent on the size of the letter. Italics are even more difficult for me to read because of the way they slant, which obviously braille does not do. Odd thing is when I am typing sometimes it is the actual printed letters that pop up in my head and even though I use a braille display whenever I can that happens when I look at a report for example and read HISTORY OF CHIEF COMPLAINT: Read the braille make me picture this in all upper case printed letters. I only wish development had continued on the Optacon, some way not to have the retina connected and thus no cord to break, a small unit smaller than the II to make it really portable. Current models both of them do not really allow for one to sit in a restaurant buzzing through the menu, I did it only once to see if I could, but alas the letters were mostly too large. Sometimes when we get documents in small print I actually read them to my husband, or did, now we scan so he can enlarge on his screen. Sometimes I hated the way some people overused font changes, boxes, etc, sometimes I could certainly see the reason for it but reading tables with the Optacon is for me slow but tables are not my favorite read for any document. As I understand it the preference in many places is one space after a period now, but my employer still prefers two which is good because I have tried it with one and never succeed to finish anything that way. If you use the proofreading tool in Jaws it always stopped on those periods and I only wish there were a way to tell it that it is correct for what I am doing. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 10:52 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Another formatting question with Braille Touch Are new braille learners more likely to write braille electronically or on paper? The reason for the different Braille formatting rules is because, on paper, Braille is so much larger than print. As a congenitally blind learner who grew up on Braille formatting rules, it has been complicated for me to learn print formatting rules as an adult. With much of Braille being electronic nowadays, I submit that Braille be taught with print, rather than Braille, formatting rules. Further, I submit that congenitally blind learners be taught print tactually with tactile experience of differing sized letters and experience of different font types. Otherwise, the confusion amongst the blind around characters per line, character spacing, line spacing, and so forth, will continue. One of the reasons it is easy for me to get my head around such concepts is that my mother taught me print letters using plastic letter magnets before I went to school and started learning Braille. Because of that, I tactually read some print signage such as number plates on doors, when the signage is engraved or embossed rather than just painted on. Even when typewriters were used, there wasn't a standard number of spaces to use for indenting a print paragraph. The two main typing letter faces required 5 or 10 spaces for one of them, and seven or twelve spaces for the other one (depending on whether the indent was .5 or 1 inch. with computer fonts being more like hand printing such that many fonts no longer use block letter sizes, but instead allow different letters to be different widths, in my opinion, sticking to Braille's antiquated formatting rules will most likely serve to further isolate blind people. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 03/02/2013, at 5:59, Robert Fenton wrote: > The point David is that you want the app to be both as convenient and usable as possible. In my profession, two spaces after a period is still the accepted standard for submitting written work. Leaving it to people to insert extra spaces themselves could lead to confusion especially among those learning braille who are now having to learn a new set of formatting rules. By doing nothing, we are in a sense creating a set of conventions that if you write braille with braille touch, you have to format your braille as if you were preparing a print text. How does that assist braille teachers with teaching braille formatting rules? > > Just some more thoughts to consider. > > Bob Fenton > > Sent from my iPh
Re: Another formatting question with Braille Touch
Hi, perhaps in the legal world it's still used, but everywhere else, 2 spaces after a period is not used. Why not just do it yourself is 2 spaces are warranted? Why should this be built into the app? I guess I don't understand where you are coming from. -- Raul A. Gallegos Until I was 13, I thought my name was 'Shut Up.' -- Joe Namath Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47 Facebook: http://facebook.com/rau47 On 2/2/2013 2:53 PM, Robert Fenton wrote: Jonathan, that is not the practice that is used in the legal profession, hence my earlier statement. Our rules of court still mandate two spaces after a period. Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-02-02, at 11:33 AM, Jonathan Mosen wrote: Hi Bob, putting two spaces after a full stop/period was dropped quite some time ago. The convention now is not to do it. Jonathan On 3/02/2013, at 5:59 AM, Robert Fenton wrote: The point David is that you want the app to be both as convenient and usable as possible. In my profession, two spaces after a period is still the accepted standard for submitting written work. Leaving it to people to insert extra spaces themselves could lead to confusion especially among those learning braille who are now having to learn a new set of formatting rules. By doing nothing, we are in a sense creating a set of conventions that if you write braille with braille touch, you have to format your braille as if you were preparing a print text. How does that assist braille teachers with teaching braille formatting rules? Just some more thoughts to consider. Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-02-02, at 9:47 AM, David Chittenden wrote: Actually, the two spaces after a period rule is changing. Nowadays, many documents are written with just one space after the period. My suggestion is that no formatting algorithm be created. Instead, like with most things, formatting should be the responsibility of the individual author. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 03/02/2013, at 3:54, Robert Fenton wrote: Hello everybody: there is another difference in formatting between braille and print we need to account for. In print, two spaces follow a periojd, whereas in braille it is only one. can we add this into a formatting conversion algorythm as well? Thank you. Typed with BrailleTouch Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?
