Re: Free Writing App?

2018-01-20 Thread Harry Bell
I would agree with you, Sieghard,  that Word documents work so much better on 
pc or Mac but Apple is busy telling the world that a new iPad is an ideal 
business machine - but, obviously, only if you are not Blind...

> On 20 Jan 2018, at 01:12, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
> 
> Not to rain on your parade, but there still are things which are better done 
> on a computer bluetooth keyboard or not and in my opinion word processing and 
> spreadsheets are in that category. Actually, email and web browsing for me 
> are as well. I can read, compose and reply to email so fast on my PC and the 
> same goes for navigating web pages let alone filling out stuff on them that 
> there is just no comparison.
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> K. Scott Carlson
> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2018 1:15 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Free Writing App?
> 
> I do have a bluetooth keyboard, whch is one of the reasons I'm trying to find 
> a good Word processor.
> 
>> On 1/19/18, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> wrote:
>> Well, as far as I know, the only apps that allow editing of word 
>> documents are Pages and Word.
>> Frankly, I don't think either one works very well with VoiceOver. Word 
>> might work a little better than pages, but you will find it rather 
>> tedious and without a bluetooth  keyboard, I wouldn't waste my time.
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> (Sent from the iPod Touch 6)
>> 
>> On Jan 19, 2018, at 9:49 AM, K. Scott Carlson 
>> <kelbycarl...@gmail.com<mailto:kelbycarl...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> To make clear what I'm looking for, it's pretty simple:
>> 
>> I need an app that can, at the very least, read already-created Word 
>> files. i need it to have basic reading and editing functions but to be 
>> focused primarily on word processing itself; I'm not interested in, 
>> for example, novel creation. I haven't experimented too much with Word 
>> or Pages but it sounds like I may need to try them. Scrivener is not 
>> something I'm willing to pay for, and it sounds like with Writer one 
>> can only create one document at a time.
>> 
>> So, perhaps there simply isn't an app that fulfills what I'm looking 
>> for out there.
>> 
>> On 12/9/17, Kimberly
>> <kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com<mailto:kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> While I am not familiar with Byword, I have been using Drafts for 
>> sometime now and like it very well. It is exactly what it says, a 
>> drafting app which while it allows you to mark up your text, it does 
>> not allow saving of documents. You have to for example copy then paste 
>> whatever you've written into another app to save it. So keep that in 
>> mind when making your decision.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The beauty of the Drafts app is its simplicity and of use. So if you 
>> don't mind the limitations I described above, I think it's a great choice.
>> 
>> Sent from Kimber's iPhone
>> The happy ending still beckons, and it is in the hope of grasping it 
>> that we go on.—Annie Proulx
>> 
>> On Dec 8, 2017, at 10:44 PM, Apple Nerd 
>> <the.big.apple.n...@hotmail.com<mailto:the.big.apple.n...@hotmail.com>
>>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> Which app would be worth getting? Byword or Drafts?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPod
>> 
>> On Dec 8, 2017, at 9:12 AM, Richard Turner 
>> <richardturne...@outlook.com<mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I know it can import txt files, I'm not sure beyond that.
>> It can export to several including rtf and word.
>> It is primarily for document creation.
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> "The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject 
>> of flying.
>> There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies 
>> in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 8, 2017, at 5:57 AM, Kimber Gardner 
>> <kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com<mailto:kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com>>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Denny,
>> 
>> What writing was that? Also, I couldn't find a novel idea in the app 
>> store. Do you have a link?
>> 
>> Just as a point of information, I was going to try the writer app, but 
>> every time I tap the more tab the app causes my phone to freeze.
>> 
>> On 12/7/17, Denny Schwab
>> <denny.sch...@gmail.c

RE: Free Writing App?

2018-01-19 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Not to rain on your parade, but there still are things which are better done on 
a computer bluetooth keyboard or not and in my opinion word processing and 
spreadsheets are in that category. Actually, email and web browsing for me are 
as well. I can read, compose and reply to email so fast on my PC and the same 
goes for navigating web pages let alone filling out stuff on them that there is 
just no comparison.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
K. Scott Carlson
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2018 1:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Free Writing App?

I do have a bluetooth keyboard, whch is one of the reasons I'm trying to find a 
good Word processor.

On 1/19/18, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> wrote:
> Well, as far as I know, the only apps that allow editing of word 
> documents are Pages and Word.
> Frankly, I don't think either one works very well with VoiceOver. Word 
> might work a little better than pages, but you will find it rather 
> tedious and without a bluetooth  keyboard, I wouldn't waste my time.
> Richard
>
>
>
> (Sent from the iPod Touch 6)
>
> On Jan 19, 2018, at 9:49 AM, K. Scott Carlson 
> <kelbycarl...@gmail.com<mailto:kelbycarl...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> To make clear what I'm looking for, it's pretty simple:
>
> I need an app that can, at the very least, read already-created Word 
> files. i need it to have basic reading and editing functions but to be 
> focused primarily on word processing itself; I'm not interested in, 
> for example, novel creation. I haven't experimented too much with Word 
> or Pages but it sounds like I may need to try them. Scrivener is not 
> something I'm willing to pay for, and it sounds like with Writer one 
> can only create one document at a time.
>
> So, perhaps there simply isn't an app that fulfills what I'm looking 
> for out there.
>
> On 12/9/17, Kimberly
> <kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com<mailto:kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> While I am not familiar with Byword, I have been using Drafts for 
> sometime now and like it very well. It is exactly what it says, a 
> drafting app which while it allows you to mark up your text, it does 
> not allow saving of documents. You have to for example copy then paste 
> whatever you've written into another app to save it. So keep that in 
> mind when making your decision.
>
>
>
> The beauty of the Drafts app is its simplicity and of use. So if you 
> don't mind the limitations I described above, I think it's a great choice.
>
> Sent from Kimber's iPhone
> The happy ending still beckons, and it is in the hope of grasping it 
> that we go on.—Annie Proulx
>
> On Dec 8, 2017, at 10:44 PM, Apple Nerd 
> <the.big.apple.n...@hotmail.com<mailto:the.big.apple.n...@hotmail.com>
> >
> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> Which app would be worth getting? Byword or Drafts?
>
> Sent from my iPod
>
> On Dec 8, 2017, at 9:12 AM, Richard Turner 
> <richardturne...@outlook.com<mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>>
> wrote:
>
> I know it can import txt files, I'm not sure beyond that.
> It can export to several including rtf and word.
> It is primarily for document creation.
> Richard
>
>
> "The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject 
> of flying.
> There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies 
> in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
> 
>
>
> On Dec 8, 2017, at 5:57 AM, Kimber Gardner 
> <kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com<mailto:kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> Denny,
>
> What writing was that? Also, I couldn't find a novel idea in the app 
> store. Do you have a link?
>
> Just as a point of information, I was going to try the writer app, but 
> every time I tap the more tab the app causes my phone to freeze.
>
> On 12/7/17, Denny Schwab
> <denny.sch...@gmail.com<mailto:denny.sch...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> The Writing App I mentioned is set up to help you write a novel.  You 
> can create Characters, Chapters, and put together Items and other 
> things.  It collects all of these into Novels.  A Novel Idea did the 
> same sort of thing, but also added in the ability to link characters 
> and ideas to multiple novels, and let you set up relationships between 
> characters.  Both are much more than just a word processor.
>
> Denny
>
> On 12/7/17, Richard Turner
> <richardturne...@outlook.com<mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:
> Mark,
> Voice Dream Writer allows for text markup so your final document can 
> be exported with headings, bullets, etc.
> You can exp

Re: Free Writing App?

2018-01-19 Thread K. Scott Carlson
to flying. The knack lies
> in
> learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
> 
>
>
> On Dec 7, 2017, at 11:51 AM, M. Taylor
> <mk...@ucla.edu<mailto:mk...@ucla.edu><mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> wrote:
>
> Hello Rich and Everyone,
>
> I’m afraid this thread has me a bit baffled.
>
> When you speak of a, writing app, do you mean a word processor?
>
> Also, does anyone have the link to Writer as I would like to take a
> look
> at
> it?
>
> Do these writing apps offer some extra features not available in Pages
> or
> Word?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Mark
>
> From:
> viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com><mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 6:15 AM
> To:
> viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com><mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Free Writing App?
>
>
> Writer is $9.99 but well worth it in my opinion.
> I know nothing about Scribner.
> MS-Word is free, but not very user friendly with VoiceOver. It is
> almost
> impossible to keep track of where you are in a document.
> It might be a little better than Pages, but not great.
> Richard
>
>
>
> (Sent from the iPod Touch 6)
>
> On Dec 7, 2017, at 5:39 AM, K. Scott Carlson
> <kelbycarl...@gmail.com<mailto:kelbycarl...@gmail.com><mailto:kelbycarl...@gmail.com>>
> wrote:
> It seems like the top ones that people recommend are Scrivener,
> VoiceDream
> Writer and MS Word.
>
> On 12/6/2017 8:40 PM, Michael Feir wrote:
> I completely get that feeling. However, they make a pretty good case.
> Good
> enough to convince me at any rate. I'm in this for the long haul. I
> want
> a
> tool which will not suddenly disappear or be left to age
> ungracefully.
> Not
> so long ago, there were some wonderful audio games which even had
> famous
> voice actors like Sean Bean as narrators. They're gone now because
> the
> developers couldn't make enough profit to keep in business making
> games.
> Papa Sangre and Audio Defence can't be bought anymore and you'd need
> older
> hardware to run them. I never got to win any of those games before
> they
> reached the point where they wouldn't work on new versions of iOS.
> That's
> what can happen when you pay once and everyone else interested has
> also
> paid
> once.
>
> The subscription model gives them the income they need to keep working
> on
> Ulysses in a more considered way than with other apps. With a
> one-time
> feee,
> you buy what you get but there's no funds or obligation for the
> developer
> to
> keep working on it. Also, in order to attract more customers, you need
> to
> make big changes with that in mind rather than the more considered
> changes
> you make when you rely on people sticking with you who like what you
> offered
> at the time you subscribed.
>
> When I've put in tech support requests, I've gotten consistantly
> reasonable
> good responses. They're a small company but they really care about
> problems
> faced by subscribers. I don't think blind people make a huge
> percentage
> of
> their subscribers but they nevertheless address accessibility issues
> as
> that's possible. Frankly, I'm in this out of pure interest to see how
> a
> steady income changes app development and mind set for these folks. I
> want
> to see how thing develop over the years presuming they manage to
> last.
> They['ve gotten tonds of attention from writers so I think they have
> a
> very
> good chance of staying the corse and keeping their subscribers happy.
>
> Anyhow, that's why I got on board. It's not perfect. There's a
> movement
> lag
> when yo first move onto a document with Voiceover. However, writing
> works
> fine but they're going to improve movement of the cursor with
> VoiceOver
> as
> soon as they can. It's good enough that I'm more than willing to put
> up
> with
> a few things in order to have the rest. I'll keep an ear on this
> threas
> to
> see what other people may have found when it comes to writing apps.
>
> On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 8:08 PM kelby carlson
> <kelbycarl...@gmail.com<mailto:kelbycarl...@gmail.com><mailto:kelbycarl...@gmail.com>>
> wrote:
> I totally understand a subscription model for a service like Spotify
> where
> you're paying for access to a catalog. But not with something like a
> writing
> tool for personal use; a one-time charge makes more sense from my
> perspective.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 6, 2017, at 5:44 PM, Michael Feir
> <

Re: Free Writing App?

2018-01-19 Thread K. Scott Carlson
To make clear what I'm looking for, it's pretty simple:

I need an app that can, at the very least, read already-created Word
files. i need it to have basic reading and editing functions but to be
focused primarily on word processing itself; I'm not interested in,
for example, novel creation. I haven't experimented too much with Word
or Pages but it sounds like I may need to try them. Scrivener is not
something I'm willing to pay for, and it sounds like with Writer one
can only create one document at a time.

So, perhaps there simply isn't an app that fulfills what I'm looking
for out there.

On 12/9/17, Kimberly <kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> While I am not familiar with Byword, I have been using Drafts for sometime
> now and like it very well. It is exactly what it says, a drafting app which
> while it allows you to mark up your text, it does not allow saving of
> documents. You have to for example copy then paste whatever you've written
> into another app to save it. So keep that in mind when making your decision.
>
>
>
> The beauty of the Drafts app is its simplicity and of use. So if you don't
> mind the limitations I described above, I think it's a great choice.
>
> Sent from Kimber's iPhone
> The happy ending still beckons, and it is in the hope of grasping it that we
> go on.—Annie Proulx
>
>> On Dec 8, 2017, at 10:44 PM, Apple Nerd <the.big.apple.n...@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> Which app would be worth getting? Byword or Drafts?
>>
>> Sent from my iPod
>>
>> On Dec 8, 2017, at 9:12 AM, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I know it can import txt files, I'm not sure beyond that.
>>> It can export to several including rtf and word.
>>> It is primarily for document creation.
>>> Richard
>>>
>>>
>>> "The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of
>>> flying.
>>> There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in
>>> learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 8, 2017, at 5:57 AM, Kimber Gardner <kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Denny,
>>>>
>>>> What writing was that? Also, I couldn't find a novel idea in the app
>>>> store. Do you have a link?
>>>>
>>>> Just as a point of information, I was going to try the writer app, but
>>>> every time I tap the more tab the app causes my phone to freeze.
>>>>
>>>>> On 12/7/17, Denny Schwab <denny.sch...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> The Writing App I mentioned is set up to help you write a novel.  You
>>>>> can create Characters, Chapters, and put together Items and other
>>>>> things.  It collects all of these into Novels.  A Novel Idea did the
>>>>> same sort of thing, but also added in the ability to link characters
>>>>> and ideas to multiple novels, and let you set up relationships between
>>>>> characters.  Both are much more than just a word processor.
>>>>>
>>>>> Denny
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/7/17, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Mark,
>>>>>> Voice Dream Writer allows for text markup so your final document can
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> exported with headings, bullets, etc.
>>>>>> You can export to RTF or Word.
>>>>>> You can navigate and edit by headings, paragraphs or sentences.
>>>>>> It has a great spell checker, and more.
>>>>>> Here is the link:
>>>>>> Voice Dream Writer by Voice Dream LLC
>>>>>> https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fitunes.apple.com%2Fus%2Fapp%2Fvoice-dream-writer%2Fid920583100%3Fmt%3D8=02%7C01%7C%7Cca677bb26d3c42aed50d08d53e43a170%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636483382544205584=Jx7UvVh4lZgR05i8r5jT337gnKvTYTZy2lJPAUUJuF0%3D=0
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Richard
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> flying.
>>>>>> There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>

Re: Free Writing App?

2017-12-08 Thread Kimber Gardner
Denny,

What writing was that? Also, I couldn't find a novel idea in the app
store. Do you have a link?

Just as a point of information, I was going to try the writer app, but
every time I tap the more tab the app causes my phone to freeze.

On 12/7/17, Denny Schwab <denny.sch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The Writing App I mentioned is set up to help you write a novel.  You
> can create Characters, Chapters, and put together Items and other
> things.  It collects all of these into Novels.  A Novel Idea did the
> same sort of thing, but also added in the ability to link characters
> and ideas to multiple novels, and let you set up relationships between
> characters.  Both are much more than just a word processor.
>
> Denny
>
> On 12/7/17, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> wrote:
>> Mark,
>> Voice Dream Writer allows for text markup so your final document can be
>> exported with headings, bullets, etc.
>> You can export to RTF or Word.
>> You can navigate and edit by headings, paragraphs or sentences.
>> It has a great spell checker, and more.
>> Here is the link:
>> Voice Dream Writer by Voice Dream LLC
>> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/voice-dream-writer/id920583100?mt=8
>>
>>
>> Richard
>>
>>
>> "The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of
>> flying.
>> There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in
>> learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
>> 
>>
>>
>> On Dec 7, 2017, at 11:51 AM, M. Taylor
>> <mk...@ucla.edu<mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Rich and Everyone,
>>
>> I’m afraid this thread has me a bit baffled.
>>
>> When you speak of a, writing app, do you mean a word processor?
>>
>> Also, does anyone have the link to Writer as I would like to take a look
>> at
>> it?
>>
>> Do these writing apps offer some extra features not available in Pages or
>> Word?
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
>> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 6:15 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: Free Writing App?
>>
>>
>> Writer is $9.99 but well worth it in my opinion.
>> I know nothing about Scribner.
>> MS-Word is free, but not very user friendly with VoiceOver. It is almost
>> impossible to keep track of where you are in a document.
>> It might be a little better than Pages, but not great.
>> Richard
>>
>>
>>
>> (Sent from the iPod Touch 6)
>>
>> On Dec 7, 2017, at 5:39 AM, K. Scott Carlson
>> <kelbycarl...@gmail.com<mailto:kelbycarl...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> It seems like the top ones that people recommend are Scrivener,
>> VoiceDream
>> Writer and MS Word.
>>
>> On 12/6/2017 8:40 PM, Michael Feir wrote:
>> I completely get that feeling. However, they make a pretty good case.
>> Good
>> enough to convince me at any rate. I'm in this for the long haul. I want
>> a
>> tool which will not suddenly disappear or be left to age ungracefully.
>> Not
>> so long ago, there were some wonderful audio games which even had famous
>> voice actors like Sean Bean as narrators. They're gone now because the
>> developers couldn't make enough profit to keep in business making games.
>> Papa Sangre and Audio Defence can't be bought anymore and you'd need
>> older
>> hardware to run them. I never got to win any of those games before they
>> reached the point where they wouldn't work on new versions of iOS. That's
>> what can happen when you pay once and everyone else interested has also
>> paid
>> once.
>>
>> The subscription model gives them the income they need to keep working on
>> Ulysses in a more considered way than with other apps. With a one-time
>> feee,
>> you buy what you get but there's no funds or obligation for the developer
>> to
>> keep working on it. Also, in order to attract more customers, you need to
>> make big changes with that in mind rather than the more considered
>> changes
>> you make when you rely on people sticking with you who like what you
>> offered
>> at the time you subscribed.
>>
>> When I've put in tech support requests, I've gotten consistantly
>> reasonable
>> good responses. They're a small company but they really care about
>> problems
>> faced by subscribers. I don't t

Re: Free Writing App?

2017-12-08 Thread K. Scott Carlson

What type of documents can Voice Dream Writer import?


On 12/7/2017 3:17 PM, Richard Turner wrote:

Mark,
Voice Dream Writer allows for text markup so your final document can 
be exported with headings, bullets, etc.

You can export to RTF or Word.
You can navigate and edit by headings, paragraphs or sentences.
It has a great spell checker, and more.
Here is the link:
Voice Dream Writer by Voice Dream LLC 
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/voice-dream-writer/id920583100?mt=8



Richard


"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject 
of flying.
There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies 
in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."




On Dec 7, 2017, at 11:51 AM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu 
<mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> wrote:



Hello Rich and Everyone,

I’m afraid this thread has me a bit baffled.

When you speak of a, writing app, do you mean a word processor?

Also, does anyone have the link to Writer as I would like to take a 
look at it?


Do these writing apps offer some extra features not available in 
Pages or Word?


Thank you,

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner

Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 6:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Free Writing App?


Writer is $9.99 but well worth it in my opinion.
I know nothing about Scribner.
MS-Word is free, but not very user friendly with VoiceOver. It is 
almost impossible to keep track of where you are in a document.

It might be a little better than Pages, but not great.
Richard



(Sent from the iPod Touch 6)

On Dec 7, 2017, at 5:39 AM, K. Scott Carlson <kelbycarl...@gmail.com 
<mailto:kelbycarl...@gmail.com>> wrote:
It seems like the top ones that people recommend are Scrivener, 
VoiceDream Writer and MS Word.


On 12/6/2017 8:40 PM, Michael Feir wrote:
I completely get that feeling. However, they make a pretty good case. 
Good enough to convince me at any rate. I'm in this for the long 
haul. I want a tool which will not suddenly disappear or be left to 
age ungracefully. Not so long ago, there were some wonderful audio 
games which even had famous voice actors like Sean Bean as narrators. 
They're gone now because the developers couldn't make enough profit 
to keep in business making games. Papa Sangre and Audio Defence can't 
be bought anymore and you'd need older hardware to run them. I never 
got to win any of those games before they reached the point where 
they wouldn't work on new versions of iOS. That's what can happen 
when you pay once and everyone else interested has also paid once.


The subscription model gives them the income they need to keep 
working on Ulysses in a more considered way than with other apps. 
With a one-time feee, you buy what you get but there's no funds or 
obligation for the developer to keep working on it. Also, in order to 
attract more customers, you need to make big changes with that in 
mind rather than the more considered changes you make when you rely 
on people sticking with you who like what you offered at the time you 
subscribed.


When I've put in tech support requests, I've gotten consistantly 
reasonable good responses. They're a small company but they really 
care about problems faced by subscribers. I don't think blind people 
make a huge percentage of their subscribers but they nevertheless 
address accessibility issues as that's possible. Frankly, I'm in this 
out of pure interest to see how a steady income changes app 
development and mind set for these folks. I want to see how thing 
develop over the years presuming they manage to last. They['ve gotten 
tonds of attention from writers so I think they have a very good 
chance of staying the corse and keeping their subscribers happy.


Anyhow, that's why I got on board. It's not perfect. There's a 
movement lag when yo first move onto a document with Voiceover. 
However, writing works fine but they're going to improve movement of 
the cursor with VoiceOver as soon as they can. It's good enough that 
I'm more than willing to put up with a few things in order to have 
the rest. I'll keep an ear on this threas to see what other people 
may have found when it comes to writing apps.


On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 8:08 PM kelby carlson <kelbycarl...@gmail.com 
<mailto:kelbycarl...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I totally understand a subscription model for a service like Spotify 
where you're paying for access to a catalog. But not with something 
like a writing tool for personal use; a one-time charge makes more 
sense from my perspective.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 6, 2017, at 5:44 PM, Michael Feir <michael.f...@gmail.com 
<mailto:michael.f...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I personally find Ulysses worth the subscription. It'll be even more 
the case once they deal with a touch of cluggishness navigati

RE: Free Writing App?

2017-12-07 Thread M. Taylor
Thank you, Rich.  

Got it.

Mark


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 12:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Free Writing App?

Mark, 
Voice Dream Writer allows for text markup so your final document can be 
exported with headings, bullets, etc.
You can export to RTF or Word.
You can navigate and edit by headings, paragraphs or sentences.
It has a great spell checker, and more.
Here is the link:
Voice Dream Writer by Voice Dream LLC 
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/voice-dream-writer/id920583100?mt=8


Richard

"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.
There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in 
learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."



On Dec 7, 2017, at 11:51 AM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
Hello Rich and Everyone,

I’m afraid this thread has me a bit baffled.  

When you speak of a, writing app, do you mean a word processor?  

Also, does anyone have the link to Writer as I would like to take a look at it? 
 

Do these writing apps offer some extra features not available in Pages or Word? 
 

Thank you,

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 6:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Free Writing App?


Writer is $9.99 but well worth it in my opinion. 
I know nothing about Scribner.
MS-Word is free, but not very user friendly with VoiceOver. It is almost 
impossible to keep track of where you are in a document.
It might be a little better than Pages, but not great.
Richard



(Sent from the iPod Touch 6)

On Dec 7, 2017, at 5:39 AM, K. Scott Carlson <kelbycarl...@gmail.com> wrote:
It seems like the top ones that people recommend are Scrivener, VoiceDream 
Writer and MS Word.

On 12/6/2017 8:40 PM, Michael Feir wrote:
I completely get that feeling. However, they make a pretty good case. Good 
enough to convince me at any rate. I'm in this for the long haul. I want a tool 
which will not suddenly disappear or be left to age ungracefully. Not so long 
ago, there were some wonderful audio games which even had famous voice actors 
like Sean Bean as narrators. They're gone now because the developers couldn't 
make enough profit to keep in business making games. Papa Sangre and Audio 
Defence can't be bought anymore and you'd need older hardware to run them. I 
never got to win any of those games before they reached the point where they 
wouldn't work on new versions of iOS. That's what can happen when you pay once 
and everyone else interested has also paid once.

The subscription model gives them the income they need to keep working on 
Ulysses in a more considered way than with other apps. With a one-time feee, 
you buy what you get but there's no funds or obligation for the developer to 
keep working on it. Also, in order to attract more customers, you need to make 
big changes with that in mind rather than the more considered changes you make 
when you rely on people sticking with you who like what you offered at the time 
you subscribed.

When I've put in tech support requests, I've gotten consistantly reasonable 
good responses. They're a small company but they really care about problems 
faced by subscribers. I don't think blind people make a huge percentage of 
their subscribers but they nevertheless address accessibility issues as that's 
possible. Frankly, I'm in this out of pure interest to see how a steady income 
changes app development and mind set for these folks. I want to see how thing 
develop over the years presuming they manage to last. They['ve gotten tonds of 
attention from writers so I think they have a very good chance of staying the 
corse and keeping their subscribers happy.

Anyhow, that's why I got on board. It's not perfect. There's a movement lag 
when yo first move onto a document with Voiceover. However, writing works fine 
but they're going to improve movement of the cursor with VoiceOver as soon as 
they can. It's good enough that I'm more than willing to put up with a few 
things in order to have the rest. I'll keep an ear on this threas to see what 
other people may have found when it comes to writing apps. 

On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 8:08 PM kelby carlson <kelbycarl...@gmail.com> wrote:
I totally understand a subscription model for a service like Spotify where 
you're paying for access to a catalog. But not with something like a writing 
tool for personal use; a one-time charge makes more sense from my perspective.
Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 6, 2017, at 5:44 PM, Michael Feir <michael.f...@gmail.com> wrote:
I personally find Ulysses worth the subscription. It'll be even more the case 
once they deal with a touch of cluggishness navigating with VoiceOver. That's 
on the agenda. One alternative you may want to check out is Bear. I don't 
bel

Re: Free Writing App?

2017-12-07 Thread Denny Schwab
The Writing App I mentioned is set up to help you write a novel.  You
can create Characters, Chapters, and put together Items and other
things.  It collects all of these into Novels.  A Novel Idea did the
same sort of thing, but also added in the ability to link characters
and ideas to multiple novels, and let you set up relationships between
characters.  Both are much more than just a word processor.

Denny

On 12/7/17, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> wrote:
> Mark,
> Voice Dream Writer allows for text markup so your final document can be
> exported with headings, bullets, etc.
> You can export to RTF or Word.
> You can navigate and edit by headings, paragraphs or sentences.
> It has a great spell checker, and more.
> Here is the link:
> Voice Dream Writer by Voice Dream LLC
> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/voice-dream-writer/id920583100?mt=8
>
>
> Richard
>
>
> "The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of
> flying.
> There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in
> learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
> 
>
>
> On Dec 7, 2017, at 11:51 AM, M. Taylor
> <mk...@ucla.edu<mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> wrote:
>
> Hello Rich and Everyone,
>
> I’m afraid this thread has me a bit baffled.
>
> When you speak of a, writing app, do you mean a word processor?
>
> Also, does anyone have the link to Writer as I would like to take a look at
> it?
>
> Do these writing apps offer some extra features not available in Pages or
> Word?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Mark
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 6:15 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Free Writing App?
>
>
> Writer is $9.99 but well worth it in my opinion.
> I know nothing about Scribner.
> MS-Word is free, but not very user friendly with VoiceOver. It is almost
> impossible to keep track of where you are in a document.
> It might be a little better than Pages, but not great.
> Richard
>
>
>
> (Sent from the iPod Touch 6)
>
> On Dec 7, 2017, at 5:39 AM, K. Scott Carlson
> <kelbycarl...@gmail.com<mailto:kelbycarl...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> It seems like the top ones that people recommend are Scrivener, VoiceDream
> Writer and MS Word.
>
> On 12/6/2017 8:40 PM, Michael Feir wrote:
> I completely get that feeling. However, they make a pretty good case. Good
> enough to convince me at any rate. I'm in this for the long haul. I want a
> tool which will not suddenly disappear or be left to age ungracefully. Not
> so long ago, there were some wonderful audio games which even had famous
> voice actors like Sean Bean as narrators. They're gone now because the
> developers couldn't make enough profit to keep in business making games.
> Papa Sangre and Audio Defence can't be bought anymore and you'd need older
> hardware to run them. I never got to win any of those games before they
> reached the point where they wouldn't work on new versions of iOS. That's
> what can happen when you pay once and everyone else interested has also paid
> once.
>
> The subscription model gives them the income they need to keep working on
> Ulysses in a more considered way than with other apps. With a one-time feee,
> you buy what you get but there's no funds or obligation for the developer to
> keep working on it. Also, in order to attract more customers, you need to
> make big changes with that in mind rather than the more considered changes
> you make when you rely on people sticking with you who like what you offered
> at the time you subscribed.
>
> When I've put in tech support requests, I've gotten consistantly reasonable
> good responses. They're a small company but they really care about problems
> faced by subscribers. I don't think blind people make a huge percentage of
> their subscribers but they nevertheless address accessibility issues as
> that's possible. Frankly, I'm in this out of pure interest to see how a
> steady income changes app development and mind set for these folks. I want
> to see how thing develop over the years presuming they manage to last.
> They['ve gotten tonds of attention from writers so I think they have a very
> good chance of staying the corse and keeping their subscribers happy.
>
> Anyhow, that's why I got on board. It's not perfect. There's a movement lag
> when yo first move onto a document with Voiceover. However, writing works
> fine but they're going to improve movement of the cursor with VoiceOver as
> soon as they can. It's good enough that I'm more than willing 

Re: Free Writing App?

2017-12-07 Thread Richard Turner
Mark,
Voice Dream Writer allows for text markup so your final document can be 
exported with headings, bullets, etc.
You can export to RTF or Word.
You can navigate and edit by headings, paragraphs or sentences.
It has a great spell checker, and more.
Here is the link:
Voice Dream Writer by Voice Dream LLC 
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/voice-dream-writer/id920583100?mt=8


Richard


"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.
There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in 
learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."



On Dec 7, 2017, at 11:51 AM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu<mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> 
wrote:

Hello Rich and Everyone,

I’m afraid this thread has me a bit baffled.

When you speak of a, writing app, do you mean a word processor?

Also, does anyone have the link to Writer as I would like to take a look at it?

Do these writing apps offer some extra features not available in Pages or Word?

Thank you,

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 6:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Free Writing App?


Writer is $9.99 but well worth it in my opinion.
I know nothing about Scribner.
MS-Word is free, but not very user friendly with VoiceOver. It is almost 
impossible to keep track of where you are in a document.
It might be a little better than Pages, but not great.
Richard



(Sent from the iPod Touch 6)

On Dec 7, 2017, at 5:39 AM, K. Scott Carlson 
<kelbycarl...@gmail.com<mailto:kelbycarl...@gmail.com>> wrote:
It seems like the top ones that people recommend are Scrivener, VoiceDream 
Writer and MS Word.

On 12/6/2017 8:40 PM, Michael Feir wrote:
I completely get that feeling. However, they make a pretty good case. Good 
enough to convince me at any rate. I'm in this for the long haul. I want a tool 
which will not suddenly disappear or be left to age ungracefully. Not so long 
ago, there were some wonderful audio games which even had famous voice actors 
like Sean Bean as narrators. They're gone now because the developers couldn't 
make enough profit to keep in business making games. Papa Sangre and Audio 
Defence can't be bought anymore and you'd need older hardware to run them. I 
never got to win any of those games before they reached the point where they 
wouldn't work on new versions of iOS. That's what can happen when you pay once 
and everyone else interested has also paid once.

The subscription model gives them the income they need to keep working on 
Ulysses in a more considered way than with other apps. With a one-time feee, 
you buy what you get but there's no funds or obligation for the developer to 
keep working on it. Also, in order to attract more customers, you need to make 
big changes with that in mind rather than the more considered changes you make 
when you rely on people sticking with you who like what you offered at the time 
you subscribed.

When I've put in tech support requests, I've gotten consistantly reasonable 
good responses. They're a small company but they really care about problems 
faced by subscribers. I don't think blind people make a huge percentage of 
their subscribers but they nevertheless address accessibility issues as that's 
possible. Frankly, I'm in this out of pure interest to see how a steady income 
changes app development and mind set for these folks. I want to see how thing 
develop over the years presuming they manage to last. They['ve gotten tonds of 
attention from writers so I think they have a very good chance of staying the 
corse and keeping their subscribers happy.

Anyhow, that's why I got on board. It's not perfect. There's a movement lag 
when yo first move onto a document with Voiceover. However, writing works fine 
but they're going to improve movement of the cursor with VoiceOver as soon as 
they can. It's good enough that I'm more than willing to put up with a few 
things in order to have the rest. I'll keep an ear on this threas to see what 
other people may have found when it comes to writing apps.

On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 8:08 PM kelby carlson 
<kelbycarl...@gmail.com<mailto:kelbycarl...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I totally understand a subscription model for a service like Spotify where 
you're paying for access to a catalog. But not with something like a writing 
tool for personal use; a one-time charge makes more sense from my perspective.
Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 6, 2017, at 5:44 PM, Michael Feir 
<michael.f...@gmail.com<mailto:michael.f...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I personally find Ulysses worth the subscription. It'll be even more the case 
once they deal with a touch of cluggishness navigating with VoiceOver. That's 
on the agenda. One alternative you may want to check out is Bear. I don't 
believe it's a subscription m

RE: Free Writing App?

2017-12-07 Thread M. Taylor
Hello Rich and Everyone,

I’m afraid this thread has me a bit baffled.  

When you speak of a, writing app, do you mean a word processor?  

Also, does anyone have the link to Writer as I would like to take a look at it? 
 

Do these writing apps offer some extra features not available in Pages or Word? 
 

Thank you,

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 6:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Free Writing App?


Writer is $9.99 but well worth it in my opinion. 
I know nothing about Scribner.
MS-Word is free, but not very user friendly with VoiceOver. It is almost 
impossible to keep track of where you are in a document.
It might be a little better than Pages, but not great.
Richard



(Sent from the iPod Touch 6)

On Dec 7, 2017, at 5:39 AM, K. Scott Carlson <kelbycarl...@gmail.com> wrote:
It seems like the top ones that people recommend are Scrivener, VoiceDream 
Writer and MS Word.

On 12/6/2017 8:40 PM, Michael Feir wrote:
I completely get that feeling. However, they make a pretty good case. Good 
enough to convince me at any rate. I'm in this for the long haul. I want a tool 
which will not suddenly disappear or be left to age ungracefully. Not so long 
ago, there were some wonderful audio games which even had famous voice actors 
like Sean Bean as narrators. They're gone now because the developers couldn't 
make enough profit to keep in business making games. Papa Sangre and Audio 
Defence can't be bought anymore and you'd need older hardware to run them. I 
never got to win any of those games before they reached the point where they 
wouldn't work on new versions of iOS. That's what can happen when you pay once 
and everyone else interested has also paid once.

The subscription model gives them the income they need to keep working on 
Ulysses in a more considered way than with other apps. With a one-time feee, 
you buy what you get but there's no funds or obligation for the developer to 
keep working on it. Also, in order to attract more customers, you need to make 
big changes with that in mind rather than the more considered changes you make 
when you rely on people sticking with you who like what you offered at the time 
you subscribed.

When I've put in tech support requests, I've gotten consistantly reasonable 
good responses. They're a small company but they really care about problems 
faced by subscribers. I don't think blind people make a huge percentage of 
their subscribers but they nevertheless address accessibility issues as that's 
possible. Frankly, I'm in this out of pure interest to see how a steady income 
changes app development and mind set for these folks. I want to see how thing 
develop over the years presuming they manage to last. They['ve gotten tonds of 
attention from writers so I think they have a very good chance of staying the 
corse and keeping their subscribers happy.

Anyhow, that's why I got on board. It's not perfect. There's a movement lag 
when yo first move onto a document with Voiceover. However, writing works fine 
but they're going to improve movement of the cursor with VoiceOver as soon as 
they can. It's good enough that I'm more than willing to put up with a few 
things in order to have the rest. I'll keep an ear on this threas to see what 
other people may have found when it comes to writing apps. 

On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 8:08 PM kelby carlson <kelbycarl...@gmail.com> wrote:
I totally understand a subscription model for a service like Spotify where 
you're paying for access to a catalog. But not with something like a writing 
tool for personal use; a one-time charge makes more sense from my perspective.
Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 6, 2017, at 5:44 PM, Michael Feir <michael.f...@gmail.com> wrote:
I personally find Ulysses worth the subscription. It'll be even more the case 
once they deal with a touch of cluggishness navigating with VoiceOver. That's 
on the agenda. One alternative you may want to check out is Bear. I don't 
believe it's a subscription model app. There's also Scrivener. Pages from Apple 
is their free word processor. I didn't like it but others may find it suits 
them. You might also want to try Microsoft Word which is free on iOS. Hope that 
helps. 

On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 5:30 PM Stephanie Mitchell <natureloving...@gmail.com> 
wrote:
I use byword. It is similar but a little cheaper. 

Steph 

- Original Message -
From: K. Scott Carlson 
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: 12/07/2017 08:19 AM
Subject: Free Writing App?

Does anyone have any recommendations for either a free or inexpensive 
writing app that is accessible? I was thinking of getting Ulysses but I 
don't want to pay a subscription fee for an app like that.

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Re: Free Writing App?

2017-12-07 Thread Denny Schwab
make a huge percentage of their subscribers but they nevertheless
>>>>>> address accessibility issues as that's possible. Frankly, I'm in this
>>>>>> out of pure interest to see how a steady income changes app
>>>>>> development and mind set for these folks. I want to see how thing
>>>>>> develop over the years presuming they manage to last. They['ve gotten
>>>>>> tonds of attention from writers so I think they have a very good
>>>>>> chance of staying the corse and keeping their subscribers happy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyhow, that's why I got on board. It's not perfect. There's a
>>>>>> movement lag when yo first move onto a document with Voiceover.
>>>>>> However, writing works fine but they're going to improve movement of
>>>>>> the cursor with VoiceOver as soon as they can. It's good enough that
>>>>>> I'm more than willing to put up with a few things in order to have the
>>>>>> rest. I'll keep an ear on this threas to see what other people may
>>>>>> have found when it comes to writing apps.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 8:08 PM kelby carlson <kelbycarl...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> I totally understand a subscription model for a service like Spotify
>>>>>>> where you're paying for access to a catalog. But not with something
>>>>>>> like a writing tool for personal use; a one-time charge makes more
>>>>>>> sense from my perspective.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Dec 6, 2017, at 5:44 PM, Michael Feir <michael.f...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I personally find Ulysses worth the subscription. It'll be even more
>>>>>>>> the case once they deal with a touch of cluggishness navigating with
>>>>>>>> VoiceOver. That's on the agenda. One alternative you may want to
>>>>>>>> check out is Bear. I don't believe it's a subscription model app.
>>>>>>>> There's also Scrivener. Pages from Apple is their free word
>>>>>>>> processor. I didn't like it but others may find it suits them. You
>>>>>>>> might also want to try Microsoft Word which is free on iOS. Hope
>>>>>>>> that helps.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 5:30 PM Stephanie Mitchell
>>>>>>>>> <natureloving...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I use byword. It is similar but a little cheaper.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Steph
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> - Original Message -
>>>>>>>>> From: K. Scott Carlson
>>>>>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>>>>>>> Date: 12/07/2017 08:19 AM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Free Writing App?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Does anyone have any recommendations for either a free or
>>>>>>>>> inexpensive
>>>>>>>>> writing app that is accessible? I was thinking of getting Ulysses
>>>>>>>>> but I
>>>>>>>>> don't want to pay a subscription fee for an app like that.
>>>>>>>>>
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Re: Free Writing App?

2017-12-07 Thread TaraPrakash
gt;> 
>>>>> Anyhow, that's why I got on board. It's not perfect. There's a movement 
>>>>> lag when yo first move onto a document with Voiceover. However, writing 
>>>>> works fine but they're going to improve movement of the cursor with 
>>>>> VoiceOver as soon as they can. It's good enough that I'm more than 
>>>>> willing to put up with a few things in order to have the rest. I'll keep 
>>>>> an ear on this threas to see what other people may have found when it 
>>>>> comes to writing apps. 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 8:08 PM kelby carlson <kelbycarl...@gmail.com> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> I totally understand a subscription model for a service like Spotify 
>>>>>> where you're paying for access to a catalog. But not with something like 
>>>>>> a writing tool for personal use; a one-time charge makes more sense from 
>>>>>> my perspective.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Dec 6, 2017, at 5:44 PM, Michael Feir <michael.f...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I personally find Ulysses worth the subscription. It'll be even more 
>>>>>>> the case once they deal with a touch of cluggishness navigating with 
>>>>>>> VoiceOver. That's on the agenda. One alternative you may want to check 
>>>>>>> out is Bear. I don't believe it's a subscription model app. There's 
>>>>>>> also Scrivener. Pages from Apple is their free word processor. I didn't 
>>>>>>> like it but others may find it suits them. You might also want to try 
>>>>>>> Microsoft Word which is free on iOS. Hope that helps. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 5:30 PM Stephanie Mitchell 
>>>>>>>> <natureloving...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I use byword. It is similar but a little cheaper. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Steph 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> - Original Message -
>>>>>>>> From: K. Scott Carlson 
>>>>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>>>>>> Date: 12/07/2017 08:19 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Free Writing App?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Does anyone have any recommendations for either a free or inexpensive 
>>>>>>>> writing app that is accessible? I was thinking of getting Ulysses but 
>>>>>>>> I 
>>>>>>>> don't want to pay a subscription fee for an app like that.
>>>>>>>> 
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Re: Free Writing App?

2017-12-07 Thread Richard Turner
e it but others may find it suits 
them. You might also want to try Microsoft Word which is free on iOS. Hope that 
helps.

On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 5:30 PM Stephanie Mitchell 
<natureloving...@gmail.com<mailto:natureloving...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I use byword. It is similar but a little cheaper.

Steph

- Original Message -
From: K. Scott Carlson
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Date: 12/07/2017 08:19 AM
Subject: Free Writing App?

Does anyone have any recommendations for either a free or inexpensive
writing app that is accessible? I was thinking of getting Ulysses but I
don't want to pay a subscription fee for an app like that.

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Re: Free Writing App?

2017-12-07 Thread Jenifer Barr
I use writer.  I don't understand what the justification of a 
subscription-based writing tool?  
Jen


Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 7, 2017, at 9:15 AM, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Writer is $9.99 but well worth it in my opinion.
> I know nothing about Scribner.
> MS-Word is free, but not very user friendly with VoiceOver. It is almost 
> impossible to keep track of where you are in a document.
> It might be a little better than Pages, but not great.
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> (Sent from the iPod Touch 6)
> 
> On Dec 7, 2017, at 5:39 AM, K. Scott Carlson <kelbycarl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> It seems like the top ones that people recommend are Scrivener, VoiceDream 
>> Writer and MS Word.
>> 
>>> On 12/6/2017 8:40 PM, Michael Feir wrote:
>>> I completely get that feeling. However, they make a pretty good case. Good 
>>> enough to convince me at any rate. I'm in this for the long haul. I want a 
>>> tool which will not suddenly disappear or be left to age ungracefully. Not 
>>> so long ago, there were some wonderful audio games which even had famous 
>>> voice actors like Sean Bean as narrators. They're gone now because the 
>>> developers couldn't make enough profit to keep in business making games. 
>>> Papa Sangre and Audio Defence can't be bought anymore and you'd need older 
>>> hardware to run them. I never got to win any of those games before they 
>>> reached the point where they wouldn't work on new versions of iOS. That's 
>>> what can happen when you pay once and everyone else interested has also 
>>> paid once.
>>> 
>>> The subscription model gives them the income they need to keep working on 
>>> Ulysses in a more considered way than with other apps. With a one-time 
>>> feee, you buy what you get but there's no funds or obligation for the 
>>> developer to keep working on it. Also, in order to attract more customers, 
>>> you need to make big changes with that in mind rather than the more 
>>> considered changes you make when you rely on people sticking with you who 
>>> like what you offered at the time you subscribed.
>>> 
>>> When I've put in tech support requests, I've gotten consistantly reasonable 
>>> good responses. They're a small company but they really care about problems 
>>> faced by subscribers. I don't think blind people make a huge percentage of 
>>> their subscribers but they nevertheless address accessibility issues as 
>>> that's possible. Frankly, I'm in this out of pure interest to see how a 
>>> steady income changes app development and mind set for these folks. I want 
>>> to see how thing develop over the years presuming they manage to last. 
>>> They['ve gotten tonds of attention from writers so I think they have a very 
>>> good chance of staying the corse and keeping their subscribers happy.
>>> 
>>> Anyhow, that's why I got on board. It's not perfect. There's a movement lag 
>>> when yo first move onto a document with Voiceover. However, writing works 
>>> fine but they're going to improve movement of the cursor with VoiceOver as 
>>> soon as they can. It's good enough that I'm more than willing to put up 
>>> with a few things in order to have the rest. I'll keep an ear on this 
>>> threas to see what other people may have found when it comes to writing 
>>> apps. 
>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 8:08 PM kelby carlson <kelbycarl...@gmail.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> I totally understand a subscription model for a service like Spotify where 
>>>> you're paying for access to a catalog. But not with something like a 
>>>> writing tool for personal use; a one-time charge makes more sense from my 
>>>> perspective.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>> On Dec 6, 2017, at 5:44 PM, Michael Feir <michael.f...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I personally find Ulysses worth the subscription. It'll be even more the 
>>>>> case once they deal with a touch of cluggishness navigating with 
>>>>> VoiceOver. That's on the agenda. One alternative you may want to check 
>>>>> out is Bear. I don't believe it's a subscription model app. There's also 
>>>>> Scrivener. Pages from Apple is their free word processor. I didn't like 
>>>>> it but others may find it suits them. You might also want to try 
>>>>> Microsoft Word which is free on iOS. Hope that helps. 
>>>>> 
>

Re: Free Writing App?

2017-12-07 Thread Richard Turner

Writer is $9.99 but well worth it in my opinion.
I know nothing about Scribner.
MS-Word is free, but not very user friendly with VoiceOver. It is almost 
impossible to keep track of where you are in a document.
It might be a little better than Pages, but not great.
Richard



(Sent from the iPod Touch 6)

On Dec 7, 2017, at 5:39 AM, K. Scott Carlson 
<kelbycarl...@gmail.com<mailto:kelbycarl...@gmail.com>> wrote:


It seems like the top ones that people recommend are Scrivener, VoiceDream 
Writer and MS Word.

On 12/6/2017 8:40 PM, Michael Feir wrote:
I completely get that feeling. However, they make a pretty good case. Good 
enough to convince me at any rate. I'm in this for the long haul. I want a tool 
which will not suddenly disappear or be left to age ungracefully. Not so long 
ago, there were some wonderful audio games which even had famous voice actors 
like Sean Bean as narrators. They're gone now because the developers couldn't 
make enough profit to keep in business making games. Papa Sangre and Audio 
Defence can't be bought anymore and you'd need older hardware to run them. I 
never got to win any of those games before they reached the point where they 
wouldn't work on new versions of iOS. That's what can happen when you pay once 
and everyone else interested has also paid once.

The subscription model gives them the income they need to keep working on 
Ulysses in a more considered way than with other apps. With a one-time feee, 
you buy what you get but there's no funds or obligation for the developer to 
keep working on it. Also, in order to attract more customers, you need to make 
big changes with that in mind rather than the more considered changes you make 
when you rely on people sticking with you who like what you offered at the time 
you subscribed.

When I've put in tech support requests, I've gotten consistantly reasonable 
good responses. They're a small company but they really care about problems 
faced by subscribers. I don't think blind people make a huge percentage of 
their subscribers but they nevertheless address accessibility issues as that's 
possible. Frankly, I'm in this out of pure interest to see how a steady income 
changes app development and mind set for these folks. I want to see how thing 
develop over the years presuming they manage to last. They['ve gotten tonds of 
attention from writers so I think they have a very good chance of staying the 
corse and keeping their subscribers happy.

Anyhow, that's why I got on board. It's not perfect. There's a movement lag 
when yo first move onto a document with Voiceover. However, writing works fine 
but they're going to improve movement of the cursor with VoiceOver as soon as 
they can. It's good enough that I'm more than willing to put up with a few 
things in order to have the rest. I'll keep an ear on this threas to see what 
other people may have found when it comes to writing apps.

On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 8:08 PM kelby carlson 
<kelbycarl...@gmail.com<mailto:kelbycarl...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I totally understand a subscription model for a service like Spotify where 
you're paying for access to a catalog. But not with something like a writing 
tool for personal use; a one-time charge makes more sense from my perspective.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 6, 2017, at 5:44 PM, Michael Feir 
<michael.f...@gmail.com<mailto:michael.f...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I personally find Ulysses worth the subscription. It'll be even more the case 
once they deal with a touch of cluggishness navigating with VoiceOver. That's 
on the agenda. One alternative you may want to check out is Bear. I don't 
believe it's a subscription model app. There's also Scrivener. Pages from Apple 
is their free word processor. I didn't like it but others may find it suits 
them. You might also want to try Microsoft Word which is free on iOS. Hope that 
helps.

On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 5:30 PM Stephanie Mitchell 
<natureloving...@gmail.com<mailto:natureloving...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I use byword. It is similar but a little cheaper.

Steph

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Date: 12/07/2017 08:19 AM
Subject: Free Writing App?

Does anyone have any recommendations for either a free or inexpensive
writing app that is accessible? I was thinking of getting Ulysses but I
don't want to pay a subscription fee for an app like that.

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Re: Free Writing App?

2017-12-07 Thread K. Scott Carlson
It seems like the top ones that people recommend are Scrivener, 
VoiceDream Writer and MS Word.



On 12/6/2017 8:40 PM, Michael Feir wrote:
I completely get that feeling. However, they make a pretty good case. 
Good enough to convince me at any rate. I'm in this for the long haul. 
I want a tool which will not suddenly disappear or be left to age 
ungracefully. Not so long ago, there were some wonderful audio games 
which even had famous voice actors like Sean Bean as narrators. 
They're gone now because the developers couldn't make enough profit to 
keep in business making games. Papa Sangre and Audio Defence can't be 
bought anymore and you'd need older hardware to run them. I never got 
to win any of those games before they reached the point where they 
wouldn't work on new versions of iOS. That's what can happen when you 
pay once and everyone else interested has also paid once.


The subscription model gives them the income they need to keep working 
on Ulysses in a more considered way than with other apps. With a 
one-time feee, you buy what you get but there's no funds or obligation 
for the developer to keep working on it. Also, in order to attract 
more customers, you need to make big changes with that in mind rather 
than the more considered changes you make when you rely on people 
sticking with you who like what you offered at the time you subscribed.


When I've put in tech support requests, I've gotten consistantly 
reasonable good responses. They're a small company but they really 
care about problems faced by subscribers. I don't think blind people 
make a huge percentage of their subscribers but they nevertheless 
address accessibility issues as that's possible. Frankly, I'm in this 
out of pure interest to see how a steady income changes app 
development and mind set for these folks. I want to see how thing 
develop over the years presuming they manage to last. They['ve gotten 
tonds of attention from writers so I think they have a very good 
chance of staying the corse and keeping their subscribers happy.


Anyhow, that's why I got on board. It's not perfect. There's a 
movement lag when yo first move onto a document with Voiceover. 
However, writing works fine but they're going to improve movement of 
the cursor with VoiceOver as soon as they can. It's good enough that 
I'm more than willing to put up with a few things in order to have the 
rest. I'll keep an ear on this threas to see what other people may 
have found when it comes to writing apps.


On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 8:08 PM kelby carlson <kelbycarl...@gmail.com 
<mailto:kelbycarl...@gmail.com>> wrote:


I totally understand a subscription model for a service like
Spotify where you're paying for access to a catalog. But not with
something like a writing tool for personal use; a one-time charge
makes more sense from my perspective.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 6, 2017, at 5:44 PM, Michael Feir <michael.f...@gmail.com
<mailto:michael.f...@gmail.com>> wrote:


I personally find Ulysses worth the subscription. It'll be even
more the case once they deal with a touch of cluggishness
navigating with VoiceOver. That's on the agenda. One alternative
you may want to check out is Bear. I don't believe it's a
subscription model app. There's also Scrivener. Pages from Apple
is their free word processor. I didn't like it but others may
find it suits them. You might also want to try Microsoft Word
which is free on iOS. Hope that helps.

On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 5:30 PM Stephanie Mitchell
<natureloving...@gmail.com <mailto:natureloving...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I use byword. It is similar but a little cheaper.

Steph

- Original Message -
From: K. Scott Carlson
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Date: 12/07/2017 08:19 AM
Subject: Free Writing App?

Does anyone have any recommendations for either a free or
inexpensive
writing app that is accessible? I was thinking of getting
Ulysses but I
don't want to pay a subscription fee for an app like that.

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Re: Free Writing App?

2017-12-06 Thread Michael Feir
I completely get that feeling. However, they make a pretty good case. Good
enough to convince me at any rate. I'm in this for the long haul. I want a
tool which will not suddenly disappear or be left to age ungracefully. Not
so long ago, there were some wonderful audio games which even had famous
voice actors like Sean Bean as narrators. They're gone now because the
developers couldn't make enough profit to keep in business making games.
Papa Sangre and Audio Defence can't be bought anymore and you'd need older
hardware to run them. I never got to win any of those games before they
reached the point where they wouldn't work on new versions of iOS. That's
what can happen when you pay once and everyone else interested has also
paid once.

The subscription model gives them the income they need to keep working on
Ulysses in a more considered way than with other apps. With a one-time
feee, you buy what you get but there's no funds or obligation for the
developer to keep working on it. Also, in order to attract more customers,
you need to make big changes with that in mind rather than the more
considered changes you make when you rely on people sticking with you who
like what you offered at the time you subscribed.

When I've put in tech support requests, I've gotten consistantly reasonable
good responses. They're a small company but they really care about problems
faced by subscribers. I don't think blind people make a huge percentage of
their subscribers but they nevertheless address accessibility issues as
that's possible. Frankly, I'm in this out of pure interest to see how a
steady income changes app development and mind set for these folks. I want
to see how thing develop over the years presuming they manage to last.
They['ve gotten tonds of attention from writers so I think they have a very
good chance of staying the corse and keeping their subscribers happy.

Anyhow, that's why I got on board. It's not perfect. There's a movement lag
when yo first move onto a document with Voiceover. However, writing works
fine but they're going to improve movement of the cursor with VoiceOver as
soon as they can. It's good enough that I'm more than willing to put up
with a few things in order to have the rest. I'll keep an ear on this
threas to see what other people may have found when it comes to writing
apps.

On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 8:08 PM kelby carlson <kelbycarl...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I totally understand a subscription model for a service like Spotify where
> you're paying for access to a catalog. But not with something like a
> writing tool for personal use; a one-time charge makes more sense from my
> perspective.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 6, 2017, at 5:44 PM, Michael Feir <michael.f...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I personally find Ulysses worth the subscription. It'll be even more the
> case once they deal with a touch of cluggishness navigating with VoiceOver.
> That's on the agenda. One alternative you may want to check out is Bear. I
> don't believe it's a subscription model app. There's also Scrivener. Pages
> from Apple is their free word processor. I didn't like it but others may
> find it suits them. You might also want to try Microsoft Word which is free
> on iOS. Hope that helps.
>
> On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 5:30 PM Stephanie Mitchell <
> natureloving...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I use byword. It is similar but a little cheaper.
>>
>> Steph
>>
>> - Original Message -----
>> From: K. Scott Carlson
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Date: 12/07/2017 08:19 AM
>> Subject: Free Writing App?
>>
>> Does anyone have any recommendations for either a free or inexpensive
>> writing app that is accessible? I was thinking of getting Ulysses but I
>> don't want to pay a subscription fee for an app like that.
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Re: Free Writing App?

2017-12-06 Thread kelby carlson
I totally understand a subscription model for a service like Spotify where 
you're paying for access to a catalog. But not with something like a writing 
tool for personal use; a one-time charge makes more sense from my perspective.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 6, 2017, at 5:44 PM, Michael Feir <michael.f...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I personally find Ulysses worth the subscription. It'll be even more the case 
> once they deal with a touch of cluggishness navigating with VoiceOver. That's 
> on the agenda. One alternative you may want to check out is Bear. I don't 
> believe it's a subscription model app. There's also Scrivener. Pages from 
> Apple is their free word processor. I didn't like it but others may find it 
> suits them. You might also want to try Microsoft Word which is free on iOS. 
> Hope that helps. 
> 
>> On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 5:30 PM Stephanie Mitchell 
>> <natureloving...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I use byword. It is similar but a little cheaper. 
>> 
>> Steph 
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: K. Scott Carlson 
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Date: 12/07/2017 08:19 AM
>> Subject: Free Writing App?
>> 
>> Does anyone have any recommendations for either a free or inexpensive 
>> writing app that is accessible? I was thinking of getting Ulysses but I 
>> don't want to pay a subscription fee for an app like that.
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Re: Free Writing App?

2017-12-06 Thread Michael Feir
I personally find Ulysses worth the subscription. It'll be even more the
case once they deal with a touch of cluggishness navigating with VoiceOver.
That's on the agenda. One alternative you may want to check out is Bear. I
don't believe it's a subscription model app. There's also Scrivener. Pages
from Apple is their free word processor. I didn't like it but others may
find it suits them. You might also want to try Microsoft Word which is free
on iOS. Hope that helps.

On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 5:30 PM Stephanie Mitchell <natureloving...@gmail.com>
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> I use byword. It is similar but a little cheaper.
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Re: Free Writing App?

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I use byword. It is similar but a little cheaper. Steph - Original Message -From: K. Scott Carlson <kelbycarl...@gmail.com>To: viphone@googlegroups.comDate: 12/07/2017 08:19 AMSubject: Free Writing App?Does anyone have any recommendations for either a free or inexpensive writing app that is accessible? I was thinking of getting Ulysses but I don't want to pay a subscription fee for an app like that.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com.Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone.For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.



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Free Writing App?

2017-12-06 Thread K. Scott Carlson
Does anyone have any recommendations for either a free or inexpensive 
writing app that is accessible? I was thinking of getting Ulysses but I 
don't want to pay a subscription fee for an app like that.


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