Re: In-screen Touch ID potentially signals a backward step ahead, 9 to 5 Mac
Well of course that's true, but Lenron was asking what's wrong with providing both touch ID and face ID, and I was just telling him what the author of the article thinks is wrong with face ID. I'm not saying I agree with it or that it's anything more then just conjecture. On 9/11/19 12:04 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: As you say "according to the article", but as far as I could tell that article is pure guesswork -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 8:08 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com; lenron brown Subject: Re: In-screen Touch ID potentially signals a backward step ahead, 9 to 5 Mac According to the article below, Apple may be ditching face ID in order to get rid of the notch. The article does say that you may get both for a while, but if Apple is serious about going to a flat slab of uninterrupted glass, and they can't figure out under the screen face ID, then that's when you might see face ID going away to be replaced by the under the glass touch ID. On 9/10/19 10:42 AM, lenron brown wrote: Face id isn't going anywhere, I don't get it what's wrong with having both if possible. On 9/10/19, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: These are just guesses and conjecture at this point and in my opinion there is little point in engaging in them until we actually find out more regarding this in-screen or under-screen Touch Id feature and if and when it might be coming. Sure, Apple has introduced and abandoned features before, 3D touch seems to be one of them, but I somehow doubt that Face Id is going away considering that it is being used more and more everywhere and also because Apple still seems to care about accessibility and there are certainly people who can't use Touch Id because maybe they don't have hands or arms etc. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Ed Worrell Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 8:01 AM To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone Subject: Re: In-screen Touch ID potentially signals a backward step ahead, 9 to 5 Mac Hey Mark, I agree with the author of the article. I hope they don’t ax the FaceID functions. I have found FaceID to be much more reliable then TouchID ever was. Granted there are some minor trade offs with FaceID vs TouchID. At the payment terminal TouchID can be a little quicker as you and I have discussed off list. In everyday use I find the FaceID function to be much quicker and much more friendly to use. There were many times with TouchID it simply would not recognize my finger print and it would kick me to the keypad anyway. This then defeated the purpose of TouchID to me… Maybe I’m the odd man out here but I love FaceID and it’s simplicity. Just my thoughts on the FaceID vs TouchID argument. Ed W. On Sep 6, 2019, at 6:51 PM, M. Taylor wrote: Hello All, As I am one of those insane people who is waiting for Apple to re-introduce Touch-ID back into the iPhone, before purchasing a new model, I found the following article interesting. Mark. In-screen Touch ID potentially signals a backward step ahead By Ben Lovejoy In-screen Touch ID could be appearing in iPhones as early as next year, according to a new report today. But while the current report suggests that both Touch ID and Face ID fans will be catered for, that may not remain the case for long. The debate between the respective fans of Touch ID and Face ID began when Apple launched the iPhone X, the first iPhone to be launched without the fingerprint reader since it made its debut on the iPhone 5 S in 2013. With the iPhone X launch, Apple seemed pretty clear that Face ID was the future of iPhone authentication. It is, says Apple, faster, easier, and more secure than Touch ID. Face ID reinvented the way we unlock, log in, and pay. Some of our most sophisticated technologies - the TrueDepth camera system, the Secure Enclave and the Neural Engine - make it the most secure facial authentication ever in a smart-phone. And even faster and easier to use. Close family members aside, Apple says that Face ID is 20 times more secure than Touch ID. Every fingerprint is unique, so it's rare that even a small section of two separate fingerprints are alike enough to register as a match for Touch ID. The probability of this happening is 1 in 50,000 with a single, enrolled finger. The probability that a random person in the population could look at your iPhone or iPad Pro and unlock it using Face ID is approximately 1 in 1 million with a single enrolled appearance. Most owners of iPhone X/XS and latest iPad Pro devices say they would never go back. That's certainly true for me. But while that appears to be the consensus view, it's not a universal one. There are owners of Face ID devices who say they find it less reliable than Touch ID, and there are owners of Touch ID devices who claim they won't upg
Re: In-screen Touch ID potentially signals a backward step ahead, 9 to 5 Mac
That may be true, but blind people are already using behind the glass touch ID on Android phones. On 9/11/19 1:27 AM, 'RobH.' via VIPhone wrote: I can see U.T.G.T.I being another of the accessibility nightmares, again. I have trouble enough getting the bus to read my pass. RobH. - Original Message - From: "Christopher Chaltain" To: ; "lenron brown" Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 4:07 AM Subject: Re: In-screen Touch ID potentially signals a backward step ahead, 9 to 5 Mac According to the article below, Apple may be ditching face ID in order to get rid of the notch. The article does say that you may get both for a while, but if Apple is serious about going to a flat slab of uninterrupted glass, and they can't figure out under the screen face ID, then that's when you might see face ID going away to be replaced by the under the glass touch ID. On 9/10/19 10:42 AM, lenron brown wrote: Face id isn't going anywhere, I don't get it what's wrong with having both if possible. On 9/10/19, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: These are just guesses and conjecture at this point and in my opinion there is little point in engaging in them until we actually find out more regarding this in-screen or under-screen Touch Id feature and if and when it might be coming. Sure, Apple has introduced and abandoned features before, 3D touch seems to be one of them, but I somehow doubt that Face Id is going away considering that it is being used more and more everywhere and also because Apple still seems to care about accessibility and there are certainly people who can't use Touch Id because maybe they don't have hands or arms etc. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Ed Worrell Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 8:01 AM To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone Subject: Re: In-screen Touch ID potentially signals a backward step ahead, 9 to 5 Mac Hey Mark, I agree with the author of the article. I hope they don’t ax the FaceID functions. I have found FaceID to be much more reliable then TouchID ever was. Granted there are some minor trade offs with FaceID vs TouchID. At the payment terminal TouchID can be a little quicker as you and I have discussed off list. In everyday use I find the FaceID function to be much quicker and much more friendly to use. There were many times with TouchID it simply would not recognize my finger print and it would kick me to the keypad anyway. This then defeated the purpose of TouchID to me… Maybe I’m the odd man out here but I love FaceID and it’s simplicity. Just my thoughts on the FaceID vs TouchID argument. Ed W. On Sep 6, 2019, at 6:51 PM, M. Taylor wrote: Hello All, As I am one of those insane people who is waiting for Apple to re-introduce Touch-ID back into the iPhone, before purchasing a new model, I found the following article interesting. Mark. In-screen Touch ID potentially signals a backward step ahead By Ben Lovejoy In-screen Touch ID could be appearing in iPhones as early as next year, according to a new report today. But while the current report suggests that both Touch ID and Face ID fans will be catered for, that may not remain the case for long. The debate between the respective fans of Touch ID and Face ID began when Apple launched the iPhone X, the first iPhone to be launched without the fingerprint reader since it made its debut on the iPhone 5 S in 2013. With the iPhone X launch, Apple seemed pretty clear that Face ID was the future of iPhone authentication. It is, says Apple, faster, easier, and more secure than Touch ID. Face ID reinvented the way we unlock, log in, and pay. Some of our most sophisticated technologies - the TrueDepth camera system, the Secure Enclave and the Neural Engine - make it the most secure facial authentication ever in a smart-phone. And even faster and easier to use. Close family members aside, Apple says that Face ID is 20 times more secure than Touch ID. Every fingerprint is unique, so it's rare that even a small section of two separate fingerprints are alike enough to register as a match for Touch ID. The probability of this happening is 1 in 50,000 with a single, enrolled finger. The probability that a random person in the population could look at your iPhone or iPad Pro and unlock it using Face ID is approximately 1 in 1 million with a single enrolled appearance. Most owners of iPhone X/XS and latest iPad Pro devices say they would never go back. That's certainly true for me. But while that appears to be the consensus view, it's not a universal one. There are owners of Face ID devices who say they find it less reliable than Touch ID, and there are owners of Touch ID devices who claim they won't upgrade until Touch ID is available on newer devices. Today's report says that Apple is aiming to please all of the people all of the time, with plans to offer both forms of biometric authent
Re: In-screen Touch ID potentially signals a backward step ahead, 9 to 5 Mac
I can see U.T.G.T.I being another of the accessibility nightmares, again. I have trouble enough getting the bus to read my pass. RobH. - Original Message - From: "Christopher Chaltain" To: ; "lenron brown" Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 4:07 AM Subject: Re: In-screen Touch ID potentially signals a backward step ahead, 9 to 5 Mac According to the article below, Apple may be ditching face ID in order to get rid of the notch. The article does say that you may get both for a while, but if Apple is serious about going to a flat slab of uninterrupted glass, and they can't figure out under the screen face ID, then that's when you might see face ID going away to be replaced by the under the glass touch ID. On 9/10/19 10:42 AM, lenron brown wrote: > Face id isn't going anywhere, I don't get it what's wrong with having > both if possible. > > On 9/10/19, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: >> These are just guesses and conjecture at this point and in my opinion there >> is little point in engaging in them until we actually find out more >> regarding this in-screen or under-screen Touch Id feature and if and when it >> might be coming. Sure, Apple has introduced and abandoned features before, >> 3D touch seems to be one of them, but I somehow doubt that Face Id is going >> away considering that it is being used more and more everywhere and also >> because Apple still seems to care about accessibility and there are >> certainly people who can't use Touch Id because maybe they don't have hands >> or arms etc. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Ed >> Worrell >> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 8:01 AM >> To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone >> Subject: Re: In-screen Touch ID potentially signals a backward step ahead, 9 >> to 5 Mac >> >> Hey Mark, >> >> I agree with the author of the article. I hope they don’t ax the FaceID >> functions. I have found FaceID to be much more reliable then TouchID ever >> was. Granted there are some minor trade offs with FaceID vs TouchID. At the >> payment terminal TouchID can be a little quicker as you and I have discussed >> off list. In everyday use I find the FaceID function to be much quicker and >> much more friendly to use. There were many times with TouchID it simply >> would not recognize my finger print and it would kick me to the keypad >> anyway. This then defeated the purpose of TouchID to me… Maybe I’m the odd >> man out here but I love FaceID and it’s simplicity. >> >> Just my thoughts on the FaceID vs TouchID argument. >> >> Ed W. >> >> >> >>> On Sep 6, 2019, at 6:51 PM, M. Taylor wrote: >>> >>> Hello All, >>> >>> As I am one of those insane people who is waiting for Apple to >>> re-introduce Touch-ID back into the iPhone, before purchasing a new >>> model, I found the following article interesting. >>> >>> Mark. >>> >>> In-screen Touch ID potentially signals a backward step ahead By Ben >>> Lovejoy >>> >>> In-screen Touch ID could be appearing in iPhones as early as next >>> year, according to a new report today. But while the current report >>> suggests that both Touch ID and Face ID fans will be catered for, that >>> may not remain the case for long. >>> >>> The debate between the respective fans of Touch ID and Face ID began >>> when Apple launched the iPhone X, the first iPhone to be launched >>> without the fingerprint reader since it made its debut on the iPhone 5 S >>> in 2013. >>> >>> With the iPhone X launch, Apple seemed pretty clear that Face ID was >>> the future of iPhone authentication. It is, says Apple, faster, >>> easier, and more secure than Touch ID. >>> Face ID reinvented the way we unlock, log in, and pay. Some of our >>> most sophisticated technologies - the TrueDepth camera system, the >>> Secure Enclave and the Neural Engine - make it the most secure facial >>> authentication ever in a smart-phone. And even faster and easier to use. >>> >>> Close family members aside, Apple says that Face ID is 20 times more >>> secure than Touch ID. >>> Every fingerprint is unique, so it's rare that even a small section of >>> two separate fingerprints are alike enough to register as a match for >>> Touch ID. >>> The probability of this happening is 1 in 50,000 with a single, >>> enrolled finger. >>> >>> The probability that a random person in the population co
RE: In-screen Touch ID potentially signals a backward step ahead, 9 to 5 Mac
As you say "according to the article", but as far as I could tell that article is pure guesswork -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 8:08 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com; lenron brown Subject: Re: In-screen Touch ID potentially signals a backward step ahead, 9 to 5 Mac According to the article below, Apple may be ditching face ID in order to get rid of the notch. The article does say that you may get both for a while, but if Apple is serious about going to a flat slab of uninterrupted glass, and they can't figure out under the screen face ID, then that's when you might see face ID going away to be replaced by the under the glass touch ID. On 9/10/19 10:42 AM, lenron brown wrote: > Face id isn't going anywhere, I don't get it what's wrong with having > both if possible. > > On 9/10/19, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: >> These are just guesses and conjecture at this point and in my opinion >> there is little point in engaging in them until we actually find out >> more regarding this in-screen or under-screen Touch Id feature and if >> and when it might be coming. Sure, Apple has introduced and abandoned >> features before, 3D touch seems to be one of them, but I somehow >> doubt that Face Id is going away considering that it is being used >> more and more everywhere and also because Apple still seems to care >> about accessibility and there are certainly people who can't use >> Touch Id because maybe they don't have hands or arms etc. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf >> Of Ed Worrell >> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 8:01 AM >> To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone >> Subject: Re: In-screen Touch ID potentially signals a backward step >> ahead, 9 to 5 Mac >> >> Hey Mark, >> >> I agree with the author of the article. I hope they don’t ax the >> FaceID functions. I have found FaceID to be much more reliable then >> TouchID ever was. Granted there are some minor trade offs with FaceID >> vs TouchID. At the payment terminal TouchID can be a little quicker >> as you and I have discussed off list. In everyday use I find the >> FaceID function to be much quicker and much more friendly to use. >> There were many times with TouchID it simply would not recognize my >> finger print and it would kick me to the keypad anyway. This then >> defeated the purpose of TouchID to me… Maybe I’m the odd man out here but I >> love FaceID and it’s simplicity. >> >> Just my thoughts on the FaceID vs TouchID argument. >> >> Ed W. >> >> >> >>> On Sep 6, 2019, at 6:51 PM, M. Taylor wrote: >>> >>> Hello All, >>> >>> As I am one of those insane people who is waiting for Apple to >>> re-introduce Touch-ID back into the iPhone, before purchasing a new >>> model, I found the following article interesting. >>> >>> Mark. >>> >>> In-screen Touch ID potentially signals a backward step ahead By Ben >>> Lovejoy >>> >>> In-screen Touch ID could be appearing in iPhones as early as next >>> year, according to a new report today. But while the current report >>> suggests that both Touch ID and Face ID fans will be catered for, >>> that may not remain the case for long. >>> >>> The debate between the respective fans of Touch ID and Face ID began >>> when Apple launched the iPhone X, the first iPhone to be launched >>> without the fingerprint reader since it made its debut on the iPhone >>> 5 S in 2013. >>> >>> With the iPhone X launch, Apple seemed pretty clear that Face ID was >>> the future of iPhone authentication. It is, says Apple, faster, >>> easier, and more secure than Touch ID. >>> Face ID reinvented the way we unlock, log in, and pay. Some of our >>> most sophisticated technologies - the TrueDepth camera system, the >>> Secure Enclave and the Neural Engine - make it the most secure >>> facial authentication ever in a smart-phone. And even faster and easier to >>> use. >>> >>> Close family members aside, Apple says that Face ID is 20 times more >>> secure than Touch ID. >>> Every fingerprint is unique, so it's rare that even a small section >>> of two separate fingerprints are alike enough to register as a match >>> for Touch ID. >>> The probability of this happening is 1 in 50,000 with a single, >>> enrolled finger. >>
Re: In-screen Touch ID potentially signals a backward step ahead, 9 to 5 Mac
According to the article below, Apple may be ditching face ID in order to get rid of the notch. The article does say that you may get both for a while, but if Apple is serious about going to a flat slab of uninterrupted glass, and they can't figure out under the screen face ID, then that's when you might see face ID going away to be replaced by the under the glass touch ID. On 9/10/19 10:42 AM, lenron brown wrote: Face id isn't going anywhere, I don't get it what's wrong with having both if possible. On 9/10/19, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: These are just guesses and conjecture at this point and in my opinion there is little point in engaging in them until we actually find out more regarding this in-screen or under-screen Touch Id feature and if and when it might be coming. Sure, Apple has introduced and abandoned features before, 3D touch seems to be one of them, but I somehow doubt that Face Id is going away considering that it is being used more and more everywhere and also because Apple still seems to care about accessibility and there are certainly people who can't use Touch Id because maybe they don't have hands or arms etc. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Ed Worrell Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 8:01 AM To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone Subject: Re: In-screen Touch ID potentially signals a backward step ahead, 9 to 5 Mac Hey Mark, I agree with the author of the article. I hope they don’t ax the FaceID functions. I have found FaceID to be much more reliable then TouchID ever was. Granted there are some minor trade offs with FaceID vs TouchID. At the payment terminal TouchID can be a little quicker as you and I have discussed off list. In everyday use I find the FaceID function to be much quicker and much more friendly to use. There were many times with TouchID it simply would not recognize my finger print and it would kick me to the keypad anyway. This then defeated the purpose of TouchID to me… Maybe I’m the odd man out here but I love FaceID and it’s simplicity. Just my thoughts on the FaceID vs TouchID argument. Ed W. On Sep 6, 2019, at 6:51 PM, M. Taylor wrote: Hello All, As I am one of those insane people who is waiting for Apple to re-introduce Touch-ID back into the iPhone, before purchasing a new model, I found the following article interesting. Mark. In-screen Touch ID potentially signals a backward step ahead By Ben Lovejoy In-screen Touch ID could be appearing in iPhones as early as next year, according to a new report today. But while the current report suggests that both Touch ID and Face ID fans will be catered for, that may not remain the case for long. The debate between the respective fans of Touch ID and Face ID began when Apple launched the iPhone X, the first iPhone to be launched without the fingerprint reader since it made its debut on the iPhone 5 S in 2013. With the iPhone X launch, Apple seemed pretty clear that Face ID was the future of iPhone authentication. It is, says Apple, faster, easier, and more secure than Touch ID. Face ID reinvented the way we unlock, log in, and pay. Some of our most sophisticated technologies - the TrueDepth camera system, the Secure Enclave and the Neural Engine - make it the most secure facial authentication ever in a smart-phone. And even faster and easier to use. Close family members aside, Apple says that Face ID is 20 times more secure than Touch ID. Every fingerprint is unique, so it's rare that even a small section of two separate fingerprints are alike enough to register as a match for Touch ID. The probability of this happening is 1 in 50,000 with a single, enrolled finger. The probability that a random person in the population could look at your iPhone or iPad Pro and unlock it using Face ID is approximately 1 in 1 million with a single enrolled appearance. Most owners of iPhone X/XS and latest iPad Pro devices say they would never go back. That's certainly true for me. But while that appears to be the consensus view, it's not a universal one. There are owners of Face ID devices who say they find it less reliable than Touch ID, and there are owners of Touch ID devices who claim they won't upgrade until Touch ID is available on newer devices. Today's report says that Apple is aiming to please all of the people all of the time, with plans to offer both forms of biometric authentication in future iPhones, starting in either 2020 or 2021. In-screen Touch ID would enable Apple to bring back Touch ID without the need for a Home button. Apple is apparently readying a new under-display integrated Touch ID fingerprint sensor "as early as its 2020 iPhones" next fall, according to a report today from Bloomberg. The report says it would be an addition to the existing Face ID authentication and unlock system, allowing users to authenticate with either fingerprint or face biometrics [.] Of
Re: In-screen Touch ID potentially signals a backward step ahead, 9 to 5 Mac
Face id isn't going anywhere, I don't get it what's wrong with having both if possible. On 9/10/19, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > These are just guesses and conjecture at this point and in my opinion there > is little point in engaging in them until we actually find out more > regarding this in-screen or under-screen Touch Id feature and if and when it > might be coming. Sure, Apple has introduced and abandoned features before, > 3D touch seems to be one of them, but I somehow doubt that Face Id is going > away considering that it is being used more and more everywhere and also > because Apple still seems to care about accessibility and there are > certainly people who can't use Touch Id because maybe they don't have hands > or arms etc. > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Ed > Worrell > Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 8:01 AM > To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone > Subject: Re: In-screen Touch ID potentially signals a backward step ahead, 9 > to 5 Mac > > Hey Mark, > > I agree with the author of the article. I hope they don’t ax the FaceID > functions. I have found FaceID to be much more reliable then TouchID ever > was. Granted there are some minor trade offs with FaceID vs TouchID. At the > payment terminal TouchID can be a little quicker as you and I have discussed > off list. In everyday use I find the FaceID function to be much quicker and > much more friendly to use. There were many times with TouchID it simply > would not recognize my finger print and it would kick me to the keypad > anyway. This then defeated the purpose of TouchID to me… Maybe I’m the odd > man out here but I love FaceID and it’s simplicity. > > Just my thoughts on the FaceID vs TouchID argument. > > Ed W. > > > >> On Sep 6, 2019, at 6:51 PM, M. Taylor wrote: >> >> Hello All, >> >> As I am one of those insane people who is waiting for Apple to >> re-introduce Touch-ID back into the iPhone, before purchasing a new >> model, I found the following article interesting. >> >> Mark. >> >> In-screen Touch ID potentially signals a backward step ahead By Ben >> Lovejoy >> >> In-screen Touch ID could be appearing in iPhones as early as next >> year, according to a new report today. But while the current report >> suggests that both Touch ID and Face ID fans will be catered for, that >> may not remain the case for long. >> >> The debate between the respective fans of Touch ID and Face ID began >> when Apple launched the iPhone X, the first iPhone to be launched >> without the fingerprint reader since it made its debut on the iPhone 5 S >> in 2013. >> >> With the iPhone X launch, Apple seemed pretty clear that Face ID was >> the future of iPhone authentication. It is, says Apple, faster, >> easier, and more secure than Touch ID. >> Face ID reinvented the way we unlock, log in, and pay. Some of our >> most sophisticated technologies - the TrueDepth camera system, the >> Secure Enclave and the Neural Engine - make it the most secure facial >> authentication ever in a smart-phone. And even faster and easier to use. >> >> Close family members aside, Apple says that Face ID is 20 times more >> secure than Touch ID. >> Every fingerprint is unique, so it's rare that even a small section of >> two separate fingerprints are alike enough to register as a match for >> Touch ID. >> The probability of this happening is 1 in 50,000 with a single, >> enrolled finger. >> >> The probability that a random person in the population could look at >> your iPhone or iPad Pro and unlock it using Face ID is approximately 1 >> in 1 million with a single enrolled appearance. >> >> Most owners of iPhone X/XS and latest iPad Pro devices say they would >> never go back. That's certainly true for me. >> >> But while that appears to be the consensus view, it's not a universal >> one. >> There are owners of Face ID devices who say they find it less reliable >> than Touch ID, and there are owners of Touch ID devices who claim they >> won't upgrade until Touch ID is available on newer devices. >> >> Today's report says that Apple is aiming to please all of the people >> all of the time, with plans to offer both forms of biometric >> authentication in future iPhones, starting in either 2020 or 2021. >> In-screen Touch ID would enable Apple to bring back Touch ID without the >> need for a Home button. >> >> Apple is apparently readying a new under-display integrated Touch ID >> fingerprint sensor "as early as its
RE: In-screen Touch ID potentially signals a backward step ahead, 9 to 5 Mac
These are just guesses and conjecture at this point and in my opinion there is little point in engaging in them until we actually find out more regarding this in-screen or under-screen Touch Id feature and if and when it might be coming. Sure, Apple has introduced and abandoned features before, 3D touch seems to be one of them, but I somehow doubt that Face Id is going away considering that it is being used more and more everywhere and also because Apple still seems to care about accessibility and there are certainly people who can't use Touch Id because maybe they don't have hands or arms etc. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Ed Worrell Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 8:01 AM To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone Subject: Re: In-screen Touch ID potentially signals a backward step ahead, 9 to 5 Mac Hey Mark, I agree with the author of the article. I hope they don’t ax the FaceID functions. I have found FaceID to be much more reliable then TouchID ever was. Granted there are some minor trade offs with FaceID vs TouchID. At the payment terminal TouchID can be a little quicker as you and I have discussed off list. In everyday use I find the FaceID function to be much quicker and much more friendly to use. There were many times with TouchID it simply would not recognize my finger print and it would kick me to the keypad anyway. This then defeated the purpose of TouchID to me… Maybe I’m the odd man out here but I love FaceID and it’s simplicity. Just my thoughts on the FaceID vs TouchID argument. Ed W. > On Sep 6, 2019, at 6:51 PM, M. Taylor wrote: > > Hello All, > > As I am one of those insane people who is waiting for Apple to > re-introduce Touch-ID back into the iPhone, before purchasing a new > model, I found the following article interesting. > > Mark. > > In-screen Touch ID potentially signals a backward step ahead By Ben > Lovejoy > > In-screen Touch ID could be appearing in iPhones as early as next > year, according to a new report today. But while the current report > suggests that both Touch ID and Face ID fans will be catered for, that > may not remain the case for long. > > The debate between the respective fans of Touch ID and Face ID began > when Apple launched the iPhone X, the first iPhone to be launched > without the fingerprint reader since it made its debut on the iPhone 5 S in > 2013. > > With the iPhone X launch, Apple seemed pretty clear that Face ID was > the future of iPhone authentication. It is, says Apple, faster, > easier, and more secure than Touch ID. > Face ID reinvented the way we unlock, log in, and pay. Some of our > most sophisticated technologies - the TrueDepth camera system, the > Secure Enclave and the Neural Engine - make it the most secure facial > authentication ever in a smart-phone. And even faster and easier to use. > > Close family members aside, Apple says that Face ID is 20 times more > secure than Touch ID. > Every fingerprint is unique, so it's rare that even a small section of > two separate fingerprints are alike enough to register as a match for Touch > ID. > The probability of this happening is 1 in 50,000 with a single, > enrolled finger. > > The probability that a random person in the population could look at > your iPhone or iPad Pro and unlock it using Face ID is approximately 1 > in 1 million with a single enrolled appearance. > > Most owners of iPhone X/XS and latest iPad Pro devices say they would > never go back. That's certainly true for me. > > But while that appears to be the consensus view, it's not a universal one. > There are owners of Face ID devices who say they find it less reliable > than Touch ID, and there are owners of Touch ID devices who claim they > won't upgrade until Touch ID is available on newer devices. > > Today's report says that Apple is aiming to please all of the people > all of the time, with plans to offer both forms of biometric > authentication in future iPhones, starting in either 2020 or 2021. > In-screen Touch ID would enable Apple to bring back Touch ID without the need > for a Home button. > > Apple is apparently readying a new under-display integrated Touch ID > fingerprint sensor "as early as its 2020 iPhones" next fall, according > to a report today from Bloomberg. The report says it would be an > addition to the existing Face ID authentication and unlock system, > allowing users to authenticate with either fingerprint or face > biometrics [.] > > Offering both Touch ID and Face ID would increase overall convenience > and speed of unlocking the iPhone. A user would register their > fingerprints and facial signature, and the phone can unlock as
Re: In-screen Touch ID potentially signals a backward step ahead, 9 to 5 Mac
Hey Mark, I agree with the author of the article. I hope they don’t ax the FaceID functions. I have found FaceID to be much more reliable then TouchID ever was. Granted there are some minor trade offs with FaceID vs TouchID. At the payment terminal TouchID can be a little quicker as you and I have discussed off list. In everyday use I find the FaceID function to be much quicker and much more friendly to use. There were many times with TouchID it simply would not recognize my finger print and it would kick me to the keypad anyway. This then defeated the purpose of TouchID to me… Maybe I’m the odd man out here but I love FaceID and it’s simplicity. Just my thoughts on the FaceID vs TouchID argument. Ed W. > On Sep 6, 2019, at 6:51 PM, M. Taylor wrote: > > Hello All, > > As I am one of those insane people who is waiting for Apple to re-introduce > Touch-ID back into the iPhone, before purchasing a new model, I found the > following article interesting. > > Mark. > > In-screen Touch ID potentially signals a backward step ahead > By Ben Lovejoy > > In-screen Touch ID could be appearing in iPhones as early as next year, > according to a new report today. But while the current report suggests that > both Touch ID and Face ID fans will be catered for, that may not remain the > case for long. > > The debate between the respective fans of Touch ID and Face ID began when > Apple launched the iPhone X, the first iPhone to be launched without the > fingerprint reader since it made its debut on the iPhone 5 S in 2013. > > With the iPhone X launch, Apple seemed pretty clear that Face ID was the > future of iPhone authentication. It is, says Apple, faster, easier, and more > secure than Touch ID. > Face ID reinvented the way we unlock, log in, and pay. Some of our most > sophisticated technologies - the TrueDepth camera system, the Secure Enclave > and the Neural Engine - make it the most secure facial authentication ever > in a smart-phone. And even faster and easier to use. > > Close family members aside, Apple says that Face ID is 20 times more secure > than Touch ID. > Every fingerprint is unique, so it's rare that even a small section of two > separate fingerprints are alike enough to register as a match for Touch ID. > The probability of this happening is 1 in 50,000 with a single, enrolled > finger. > > The probability that a random person in the population could look at your > iPhone or iPad Pro and unlock it using Face ID is approximately 1 in 1 > million with a single enrolled appearance. > > Most owners of iPhone X/XS and latest iPad Pro devices say they would never > go back. That's certainly true for me. > > But while that appears to be the consensus view, it's not a universal one. > There are owners of Face ID devices who say they find it less reliable than > Touch ID, and there are owners of Touch ID devices who claim they won't > upgrade until Touch ID is available on newer devices. > > Today's report says that Apple is aiming to please all of the people all of > the time, with plans to offer both forms of biometric authentication in > future iPhones, starting in either 2020 or 2021. In-screen Touch ID would > enable Apple to bring back Touch ID without the need for a Home button. > > Apple is apparently readying a new under-display integrated Touch ID > fingerprint sensor "as early as its 2020 iPhones" next fall, according to a > report today from Bloomberg. The report says it would be an addition to the > existing Face ID authentication and unlock system, allowing users to > authenticate with either fingerprint or face biometrics [.] > > Offering both Touch ID and Face ID would increase overall convenience and > speed of unlocking the iPhone. A user would register their fingerprints and > facial signature, and the phone can unlock as soon as either recognition > succeeds. This means Touch ID can make up for Face ID's weaknesses, and vice > versa. > > The problem may come in the future, however. Once In-screen Touch ID proves > reliable, the temptation for Apple to lose the notch by dropping Face ID may > prove irresistible. > > Losing the notch, to effectively give an all-screen design, would create a > similar wow factor to that of the iPhone X when it launched. Jony Ive may > have bowed out, but his "single slab of glass" vision for the iPhone likely > lives on within the design team. > Apple already has form for prioritizing form over function in this way. The > company has long aimed to make iPhones as slim as possible, even though many > of us would prefer a slightly thicker phone with better battery life and no > camera bump. > > Could Apple do both, and embed Face ID tech beneath the display too? > Long-term, anything is possible. One Android manufacturer has already > demonstrated an under-screen camera. But that's just a proof of concept at > this stage, and Apple would also need to embed the IR emitter and dot > projector too before we could have under-display
In-screen Touch ID potentially signals a backward step ahead, 9 to 5 Mac
Hello All, As I am one of those insane people who is waiting for Apple to re-introduce Touch-ID back into the iPhone, before purchasing a new model, I found the following article interesting. Mark. In-screen Touch ID potentially signals a backward step ahead By Ben Lovejoy In-screen Touch ID could be appearing in iPhones as early as next year, according to a new report today. But while the current report suggests that both Touch ID and Face ID fans will be catered for, that may not remain the case for long. The debate between the respective fans of Touch ID and Face ID began when Apple launched the iPhone X, the first iPhone to be launched without the fingerprint reader since it made its debut on the iPhone 5 S in 2013. With the iPhone X launch, Apple seemed pretty clear that Face ID was the future of iPhone authentication. It is, says Apple, faster, easier, and more secure than Touch ID. Face ID reinvented the way we unlock, log in, and pay. Some of our most sophisticated technologies - the TrueDepth camera system, the Secure Enclave and the Neural Engine - make it the most secure facial authentication ever in a smart-phone. And even faster and easier to use. Close family members aside, Apple says that Face ID is 20 times more secure than Touch ID. Every fingerprint is unique, so it's rare that even a small section of two separate fingerprints are alike enough to register as a match for Touch ID. The probability of this happening is 1 in 50,000 with a single, enrolled finger. The probability that a random person in the population could look at your iPhone or iPad Pro and unlock it using Face ID is approximately 1 in 1 million with a single enrolled appearance. Most owners of iPhone X/XS and latest iPad Pro devices say they would never go back. That's certainly true for me. But while that appears to be the consensus view, it's not a universal one. There are owners of Face ID devices who say they find it less reliable than Touch ID, and there are owners of Touch ID devices who claim they won't upgrade until Touch ID is available on newer devices. Today's report says that Apple is aiming to please all of the people all of the time, with plans to offer both forms of biometric authentication in future iPhones, starting in either 2020 or 2021. In-screen Touch ID would enable Apple to bring back Touch ID without the need for a Home button. Apple is apparently readying a new under-display integrated Touch ID fingerprint sensor "as early as its 2020 iPhones" next fall, according to a report today from Bloomberg. The report says it would be an addition to the existing Face ID authentication and unlock system, allowing users to authenticate with either fingerprint or face biometrics [.] Offering both Touch ID and Face ID would increase overall convenience and speed of unlocking the iPhone. A user would register their fingerprints and facial signature, and the phone can unlock as soon as either recognition succeeds. This means Touch ID can make up for Face ID's weaknesses, and vice versa. The problem may come in the future, however. Once In-screen Touch ID proves reliable, the temptation for Apple to lose the notch by dropping Face ID may prove irresistible. Losing the notch, to effectively give an all-screen design, would create a similar wow factor to that of the iPhone X when it launched. Jony Ive may have bowed out, but his "single slab of glass" vision for the iPhone likely lives on within the design team. Apple already has form for prioritizing form over function in this way. The company has long aimed to make iPhones as slim as possible, even though many of us would prefer a slightly thicker phone with better battery life and no camera bump. Could Apple do both, and embed Face ID tech beneath the display too? Long-term, anything is possible. One Android manufacturer has already demonstrated an under-screen camera. But that's just a proof of concept at this stage, and Apple would also need to embed the IR emitter and dot projector too before we could have under-display Face ID. That's not something that's going to happen anytime soon. There is, then, a risk that Apple will at some point prioritize design over performance by dropping Face ID in favor of the clean look of an iPhone that offers only embedded Touch ID. That, to me, would be a huge shame. I love Face ID. The beauty of it is that you get strong authentication that is almost invisible. I pick up my phone, and it's unlocked. I open my banking app, and a second or so later, I'm looking at my bank balance. They say the best user interfaces are invisible, and that to me is very nearly true of Face ID. Having to touch a finger to a device now feels clunky in comparison. If Apple supplements Face ID with embedded Touch ID, I'm all in favor. But if it later drops Face ID to get a sleeker design - as I fear it might - that would to me be a backward step. I hope I'm wrong. What's your view? Would you be willing to sacrifice Face ID to los
