Re: Logitech K860 Wireless ergonomic keyboard for Windows/android or Mac/iOS, updated info about the Applications key

[Les Kriegler]

Hi Richard,
Thank you. Yes, this is very helpful. I will be waiting until Prime Days next 
Monday and Tuesday and order then. Without documentation, your review is 
particularly useful. Have a good day.
Best,

Les

> On Jun 12, 2021, at 11:28 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> For the computer, you plug the Usb dongle into a USB port on your compputer, 
> and press the first device key; The first of the three device keys is already 
> paired to that USB dogle.
> To pair then with a bluetooth device; like an iPhone.
> Do the usual, and open the Bluetooth settings on your iPhone.
> Then hold down the device 2 or 3 key on the keyboard. When the keyboard shows 
> up, double tap on it and they are paired.
> You can now just press the device key you want for the device you'd like to 
> use with the keyboard.
> HTH,
> 
> 
> 
> Richard 
> "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss 
> people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt
> 
> www.turner42.com 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 12, 2021, at 2:41 PM, Les Kriegler > > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Richard,
>> 
>> I appreciate your review, it is very helpful. I am planning to purchase this 
>> keyboard in the next week or so. My question is this. How do you set up a 
>> Bluetooth pairing with this keyboard? I know about the three assignment keys 
>> and I’m wondering if that is part of the process. Thanks.
>> Best,
>> 
>> Hi Richard,
>> 
>> I appreciate your review, it is very helpful. I am planning to purchase this 
>> keyboard in the next week or so. My question is this. How do you set up a 
>> Bluetooth pairing with this keyboard? I know about the three assignment keys 
>> and I’m wondering if that is part of the process. Thanks.
>> Best,
>> Les
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 4, 2021, at 11:14 AM, Richard Turner >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> Logitech K860 Wireless ergonomic keyboard for Windows/android or Mac/iOS
>>>  
>>> I needed a new keyboard as my 15-year-old USB keyboard was starting to have 
>>> problems with a few keys and my old hands are deciding that it is time to 
>>> go back to an ergonomic keyboard.
>>> So, after doing some research, I settled on what is rated as one of the 
>>> better ergonomic keyboards.
>>>  
>>> I was not set on wireless, but that is the way the world is going and since 
>>> I like Logitech products in general, I went with this one.
>>> Logitech K860 Split wireless Ergonomic keyboard.  It is pricy at $130.
>>> I'll start with the negatives.
>>>  
>>> Cons:
>>> (When I first wrote this up, I thought there was no Applications Key, but 
>>> there is, listed as number 8 under Pros.)
>>> 1.  Only one Windows key on the left.
>>> 2.  No accessible documentation.  And no true documentation about the 
>>> hieroglyphic symbols   used on some of the keys.
>>> 3.  It is too easy to toggle to the media functions for the function keys.
>>> 4.  It is pretty large.  Left to right it is the same width as my standard 
>>> Wired USB keyboard.  Front to back it is about 1.5 times as deep.  And, of 
>>> course, much higher off the desk at the front edge due to the curve for the 
>>> ergonomics of the thing.
>>> 5.  *Not really a con, just the nature of ergonomic keyboards, but the 
>>> split is between the 6 and 7, (and f6 and f7) keys, so for touch typists, 
>>> the habit of hitting the 6and F6 with your right index finger has to be 
>>> retrained.
>>>  
>>> Pros:
>>> 1.  It is probably the most comfortable keyboard I have ever typed on.  The 
>>> wrist rest is quite comfortable, and for me, at the right height Plus, it 
>>> has feet under the front edge so you can raise it up to a more level 
>>> arrangement which fits me perfectly.  It is already on a slight angle so no 
>>> real need for feet in the back.
>>> 2.  Easy setup with or without the Logitech Options package.  I plugged in 
>>> the USB receiver turned on the keyboard and Windows 10 had no trouble 
>>> communicating with it.  There is a little key next to the f12 key that 
>>> toggles you between standard function keys and the media function keys.  
>>> Easy to press accidentally.
>>> 3.  It takes two triple A batteries, and they say that they will last 2 
>>> years.  I believe it based on my experience with the K480.
>>> 4.  This is a full-sized keyboard with the number pad.
>>> 5.  If I used the Windows Calculator more, this has a designated key above 
>>> the Num-lock key to launch the Windows Calculator.
>>> 6.  It can connect to 3 devices.  Either 3 Bluetooth devices or 1 USB and 2 
>>> Bluetooth, and/or possibly 2 USB devices and one Bluetooth, that isn't 
>>> clear.  Connecting it to my iPhone was easy after I called their support 
>>> line.
>>> The three keys for switching between devices are right above the 6 pack, 
>>> making it a 9 pack.
>>> It is tremendously easy to switch devices.  I wanted to check a key 
>>> function on my iPhone while I was writing this, so I tapped the 

Re: Logitech K860 Wireless ergonomic keyboard for Windows/android or Mac/iOS, updated info about the Applications key

[Richard Turner]

For the computer, you plug the Usb dongle into a USB port on your compputer, 
and press the first device key; The first of the three device keys is already 
paired to that USB dogle.
To pair then with a bluetooth device; like an iPhone.
Do the usual, and open the Bluetooth settings on your iPhone.
Then hold down the device 2 or 3 key on the keyboard. When the keyboard shows 
up, double tap on it and they are paired.
You can now just press the device key you want for the device you'd like to use 
with the keyboard.
HTH,



Richard
"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss 
people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

www.turner42.com


On Jun 12, 2021, at 2:41 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:


Hi Richard,

I appreciate your review, it is very helpful. I am planning to purchase this 
keyboard in the next week or so. My question is this. How do you set up a 
Bluetooth pairing with this keyboard? I know about the three assignment keys 
and I’m wondering if that is part of the process. Thanks.
Best,

Hi Richard,

I appreciate your review, it is very helpful. I am planning to purchase this 
keyboard in the next week or so. My question is this. How do you set up a 
Bluetooth pairing with this keyboard? I know about the three assignment keys 
and I’m wondering if that is part of the process. Thanks.
Best,
Les
Sent from my iPhone

On May 4, 2021, at 11:14 AM, Richard Turner  wrote:



Logitech K860 Wireless ergonomic keyboard for Windows/android or Mac/iOS

I needed a new keyboard as my 15-year-old USB keyboard was starting to have 
problems with a few keys and my old hands are deciding that it is time to go 
back to an ergonomic keyboard.
So, after doing some research, I settled on what is rated as one of the better 
ergonomic keyboards.

I was not set on wireless, but that is the way the world is going and since I 
like Logitech products in general, I went with this one.
Logitech K860 Split wireless Ergonomic keyboard.  It is pricy at $130.
I'll start with the negatives.

Cons:
(When I first wrote this up, I thought there was no Applications Key, but there 
is, listed as number 8 under Pros.)
1.  Only one Windows key on the left.
2.  No accessible documentation.  And no true documentation about the 
hieroglyphic symbols   used on some of the keys.
3.  It is too easy to toggle to the media functions for the function keys.
4.  It is pretty large.  Left to right it is the same width as my standard 
Wired USB keyboard.  Front to back it is about 1.5 times as deep.  And, of 
course, much higher off the desk at the front edge due to the curve for the 
ergonomics of the thing.
5.  *Not really a con, just the nature of ergonomic keyboards, but the split is 
between the 6 and 7, (and f6 and f7) keys, so for touch typists, the habit of 
hitting the 6and F6 with your right index finger has to be retrained.

Pros:
1.  It is probably the most comfortable keyboard I have ever typed on.  The 
wrist rest is quite comfortable, and for me, at the right height Plus, it has 
feet under the front edge so you can raise it up to a more level arrangement 
which fits me perfectly.  It is already on a slight angle so no real need for 
feet in the back.
2.  Easy setup with or without the Logitech Options package.  I plugged in the 
USB receiver turned on the keyboard and Windows 10 had no trouble communicating 
with it.  There is a little key next to the f12 key that toggles you between 
standard function keys and the media function keys.  Easy to press accidentally.
3.  It takes two triple A batteries, and they say that they will last 2 years.  
I believe it based on my experience with the K480.
4.  This is a full-sized keyboard with the number pad.
5.  If I used the Windows Calculator more, this has a designated key above the 
Num-lock key to launch the Windows Calculator.
6.  It can connect to 3 devices.  Either 3 Bluetooth devices or 1 USB and 2 
Bluetooth, and/or possibly 2 USB devices and one Bluetooth, that isn't clear.  
Connecting it to my iPhone was easy after I called their support line.
The three keys for switching between devices are right above the 6 pack, making 
it a 9 pack.
It is tremendously easy to switch devices.  I wanted to check a key function on 
my iPhone while I was writing this, so I tapped the iPhone key, (for me device 
3)  did my checking, tapped the computer key, (device 1), and finished writing 
this in Word on my computer.
7.  It has a physical on/off switch located on the back edge and slightly under 
it.  If you feel where the split is between f6 and f7, and slide your finger 
straight back, you are on it.  Flipped to the right is on.
8.  There is an Applications key after all, it is the second key from the top 
right most key..  It is easy to toggle between the standard function keys and 
the media function keys.  I know, I listed this under the cons, but for some it 
would also be a pro.

For anyone else who has, or ends up with this keyboard, here is the key layout 
that involves the m

Re: Logitech K860 Wireless ergonomic keyboard for Windows/android or Mac/iOS, updated info about the Applications key

[Les Kriegler]

Hi Richard,

I appreciate your review, it is very helpful. I am planning to purchase this 
keyboard in the next week or so. My question is this. How do you set up a 
Bluetooth pairing with this keyboard? I know about the three assignment keys 
and I’m wondering if that is part of the process. Thanks.
Best,

Hi Richard,

I appreciate your review, it is very helpful. I am planning to purchase this 
keyboard in the next week or so. My question is this. How do you set up a 
Bluetooth pairing with this keyboard? I know about the three assignment keys 
and I’m wondering if that is part of the process. Thanks.
Best,
Les
Sent from my iPhone

> On May 4, 2021, at 11:14 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>  
> Logitech K860 Wireless ergonomic keyboard for Windows/android or Mac/iOS
>  
> I needed a new keyboard as my 15-year-old USB keyboard was starting to have 
> problems with a few keys and my old hands are deciding that it is time to go 
> back to an ergonomic keyboard.
> So, after doing some research, I settled on what is rated as one of the 
> better ergonomic keyboards.
>  
> I was not set on wireless, but that is the way the world is going and since I 
> like Logitech products in general, I went with this one.
> Logitech K860 Split wireless Ergonomic keyboard.  It is pricy at $130.
> I'll start with the negatives.
>  
> Cons:
> (When I first wrote this up, I thought there was no Applications Key, but 
> there is, listed as number 8 under Pros.)
> 1.  Only one Windows key on the left.
> 2.  No accessible documentation.  And no true documentation about the 
> hieroglyphic symbols   used on some of the keys.
> 3.  It is too easy to toggle to the media functions for the function keys.
> 4.  It is pretty large.  Left to right it is the same width as my standard 
> Wired USB keyboard.  Front to back it is about 1.5 times as deep.  And, of 
> course, much higher off the desk at the front edge due to the curve for the 
> ergonomics of the thing.
> 5.  *Not really a con, just the nature of ergonomic keyboards, but the split 
> is between the 6 and 7, (and f6 and f7) keys, so for touch typists, the habit 
> of hitting the 6and F6 with your right index finger has to be retrained.
>  
> Pros:
> 1.  It is probably the most comfortable keyboard I have ever typed on.  The 
> wrist rest is quite comfortable, and for me, at the right height Plus, it has 
> feet under the front edge so you can raise it up to a more level arrangement 
> which fits me perfectly.  It is already on a slight angle so no real need for 
> feet in the back.
> 2.  Easy setup with or without the Logitech Options package.  I plugged in 
> the USB receiver turned on the keyboard and Windows 10 had no trouble 
> communicating with it.  There is a little key next to the f12 key that 
> toggles you between standard function keys and the media function keys.  Easy 
> to press accidentally.
> 3.  It takes two triple A batteries, and they say that they will last 2 
> years.  I believe it based on my experience with the K480.
> 4.  This is a full-sized keyboard with the number pad.
> 5.  If I used the Windows Calculator more, this has a designated key above 
> the Num-lock key to launch the Windows Calculator.
> 6.  It can connect to 3 devices.  Either 3 Bluetooth devices or 1 USB and 2 
> Bluetooth, and/or possibly 2 USB devices and one Bluetooth, that isn't clear. 
>  Connecting it to my iPhone was easy after I called their support line.
> The three keys for switching between devices are right above the 6 pack, 
> making it a 9 pack.
> It is tremendously easy to switch devices.  I wanted to check a key function 
> on my iPhone while I was writing this, so I tapped the iPhone key, (for me 
> device 3)  did my checking, tapped the computer key, (device 1), and finished 
> writing this in Word on my computer.
> 7.  It has a physical on/off switch located on the back edge and slightly 
> under it.  If you feel where the split is between f6 and f7, and slide your 
> finger straight back, you are on it.  Flipped to the right is on.
> 8.  There is an Applications key after all, it is the second key from the top 
> right most key..  It is easy to toggle between the standard function keys and 
> the media function keys.  I know, I listed this under the cons, but for some 
> it would also be a pro.
>  
> For anyone else who has, or ends up with this keyboard, here is the key 
> layout that involves the missing or extra keys.
>  
> ON the very top row, it is mostly standard, but here goes starting from the 
> top left key:
> Escape
> F1
> f2
> f3
> f4
> f5
> f6
> f7
> f8
> f9
> f10
> f11
> f12
> The Function Toggle
> Print Screen, which is longer than the other keys.
> Device 1
> Device 2
> Device 3
> Calculator key
> Battery indicator with one of the hieroglyphic symbols my wife couldn't 
> identify).
> I am guessing that is for use with the Logitech Options software.
> App Menu, Applications Key
> Windows Lock key.  This key allows you to lock your computer, so you 

Re: Logitech K860 Wireless ergonomic keyboard for Windows/android or Mac/iOS, updated info about the Applications key

[Greg Wocher]

Hello,
Yes I am using the dongle on my windows machine. I did finally get it paired 
with my Mac. I was looking in the wrong place in my system preferences. I was 
in the keyboard section which was the wrong place to be. I had to go to the 
actual bluetooth settings to find the device. One thing I really like is that 
when I am using it on my windows the keyboard layout is windows and when on my 
Mac the layout is a Mac layout.

Greg Wocher


> On Jun 8, 2021, at 4:51 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Are you using the USb dongle for your Windows machine?
> Theoretically, opening bluetooth settings on your mac and holding down the 
> key for device 2 it should show up on your mac. Perhaps a call to Apple 
> Accessibility, 877-204-3930
> 
> 
> 
> Richard 
> "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss 
> people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt
> 
> www.turner42.com
> 
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2021, at 1:26 PM, Greg Wocher  wrote:
>> 
>>  Hello,
>> Well I was able to finally get this keyboard. However I cannot figure out 
>> how to pair it to my Mac. I got it paired to my windows machine just fine. I 
>> have my windows machine set to device one. I cannot figure out to get the 
>> Mac paired as device 2. I follow the instructions and nothing ever shows up 
>> on my Mac. Anyone got any suggestions on what I can try?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Greg Wocher
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 4, 2021, at 11:14 AM, Richard Turner >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>>  
>>> Logitech K860 Wireless ergonomic keyboard for Windows/android or Mac/iOS
>>>  
>>> I needed a new keyboard as my 15-year-old USB keyboard was starting to have 
>>> problems with a few keys and my old hands are deciding that it is time to 
>>> go back to an ergonomic keyboard.
>>> So, after doing some research, I settled on what is rated as one of the 
>>> better ergonomic keyboards.
>>>  
>>> I was not set on wireless, but that is the way the world is going and since 
>>> I like Logitech products in general, I went with this one.
>>> Logitech K860 Split wireless Ergonomic keyboard.  It is pricy at $130.
>>> I'll start with the negatives.
>>>  
>>> Cons:
>>> (When I first wrote this up, I thought there was no Applications Key, but 
>>> there is, listed as number 8 under Pros.)
>>> 1.  Only one Windows key on the left.
>>> 2.  No accessible documentation.  And no true documentation about the 
>>> hieroglyphic symbols   used on some of the keys.
>>> 3.  It is too easy to toggle to the media functions for the function keys.
>>> 4.  It is pretty large.  Left to right it is the same width as my standard 
>>> Wired USB keyboard.  Front to back it is about 1.5 times as deep.  And, of 
>>> course, much higher off the desk at the front edge due to the curve for the 
>>> ergonomics of the thing.
>>> 5.  *Not really a con, just the nature of ergonomic keyboards, but the 
>>> split is between the 6 and 7, (and f6 and f7) keys, so for touch typists, 
>>> the habit of hitting the 6and F6 with your right index finger has to be 
>>> retrained.
>>>  
>>> Pros:
>>> 1.  It is probably the most comfortable keyboard I have ever typed on.  The 
>>> wrist rest is quite comfortable, and for me, at the right height Plus, it 
>>> has feet under the front edge so you can raise it up to a more level 
>>> arrangement which fits me perfectly.  It is already on a slight angle so no 
>>> real need for feet in the back.
>>> 2.  Easy setup with or without the Logitech Options package.  I plugged in 
>>> the USB receiver turned on the keyboard and Windows 10 had no trouble 
>>> communicating with it.  There is a little key next to the f12 key that 
>>> toggles you between standard function keys and the media function keys.  
>>> Easy to press accidentally.
>>> 3.  It takes two triple A batteries, and they say that they will last 2 
>>> years.  I believe it based on my experience with the K480.
>>> 4.  This is a full-sized keyboard with the number pad.
>>> 5.  If I used the Windows Calculator more, this has a designated key above 
>>> the Num-lock key to launch the Windows Calculator.
>>> 6.  It can connect to 3 devices.  Either 3 Bluetooth devices or 1 USB and 2 
>>> Bluetooth, and/or possibly 2 USB devices and one Bluetooth, that isn't 
>>> clear.  Connecting it to my iPhone was easy after I called their support 
>>> line.
>>> The three keys for switching between devices are right above the 6 pack, 
>>> making it a 9 pack.
>>> It is tremendously easy to switch devices.  I wanted to check a key 
>>> function on my iPhone while I was writing this, so I tapped the iPhone key, 
>>> (for me device 3)  did my checking, tapped the computer key, (device 1), 
>>> and finished writing this in Word on my computer.
>>> 7.  It has a physical on/off switch located on the back edge and slightly 
>>> under it.  If you feel where the split is between f6 and f7, and slide your 
>>> finger straight back, you are on it.  Flipped to the right is on.
>>> 8.  There is an Applications key afte

Re: Logitech K860 Wireless ergonomic keyboard for Windows/android or Mac/iOS, updated info about the Applications key

[Richard Turner]

Are you using the USb dongle for your Windows machine?
Theoretically, opening bluetooth settings on your mac and holding down the key 
for device 2 it should show up on your mac. Perhaps a call to Apple 
Accessibility, 877-204-3930



Richard
"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss 
people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

www.turner42.com


On Jun 8, 2021, at 1:26 PM, Greg Wocher  wrote:

 Hello,
Well I was able to finally get this keyboard. However I cannot figure out how 
to pair it to my Mac. I got it paired to my windows machine just fine. I have 
my windows machine set to device one. I cannot figure out to get the Mac paired 
as device 2. I follow the instructions and nothing ever shows up on my Mac. 
Anyone got any suggestions on what I can try?

Thanks,
Greg Wocher


On May 4, 2021, at 11:14 AM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:


Logitech K860 Wireless ergonomic keyboard for Windows/android or Mac/iOS

I needed a new keyboard as my 15-year-old USB keyboard was starting to have 
problems with a few keys and my old hands are deciding that it is time to go 
back to an ergonomic keyboard.
So, after doing some research, I settled on what is rated as one of the better 
ergonomic keyboards.

I was not set on wireless, but that is the way the world is going and since I 
like Logitech products in general, I went with this one.
Logitech K860 Split wireless Ergonomic keyboard.  It is pricy at $130.
I'll start with the negatives.

Cons:
(When I first wrote this up, I thought there was no Applications Key, but there 
is, listed as number 8 under Pros.)
1.  Only one Windows key on the left.
2.  No accessible documentation.  And no true documentation about the 
hieroglyphic symbols   used on some of the keys.
3.  It is too easy to toggle to the media functions for the function keys.
4.  It is pretty large.  Left to right it is the same width as my standard 
Wired USB keyboard.  Front to back it is about 1.5 times as deep.  And, of 
course, much higher off the desk at the front edge due to the curve for the 
ergonomics of the thing.
5.  *Not really a con, just the nature of ergonomic keyboards, but the split is 
between the 6 and 7, (and f6 and f7) keys, so for touch typists, the habit of 
hitting the 6and F6 with your right index finger has to be retrained.

Pros:
1.  It is probably the most comfortable keyboard I have ever typed on.  The 
wrist rest is quite comfortable, and for me, at the right height Plus, it has 
feet under the front edge so you can raise it up to a more level arrangement 
which fits me perfectly.  It is already on a slight angle so no real need for 
feet in the back.
2.  Easy setup with or without the Logitech Options package.  I plugged in the 
USB receiver turned on the keyboard and Windows 10 had no trouble communicating 
with it.  There is a little key next to the f12 key that toggles you between 
standard function keys and the media function keys.  Easy to press accidentally.
3.  It takes two triple A batteries, and they say that they will last 2 years.  
I believe it based on my experience with the K480.
4.  This is a full-sized keyboard with the number pad.
5.  If I used the Windows Calculator more, this has a designated key above the 
Num-lock key to launch the Windows Calculator.
6.  It can connect to 3 devices.  Either 3 Bluetooth devices or 1 USB and 2 
Bluetooth, and/or possibly 2 USB devices and one Bluetooth, that isn't clear.  
Connecting it to my iPhone was easy after I called their support line.
The three keys for switching between devices are right above the 6 pack, making 
it a 9 pack.
It is tremendously easy to switch devices.  I wanted to check a key function on 
my iPhone while I was writing this, so I tapped the iPhone key, (for me device 
3)  did my checking, tapped the computer key, (device 1), and finished writing 
this in Word on my computer.
7.  It has a physical on/off switch located on the back edge and slightly under 
it.  If you feel where the split is between f6 and f7, and slide your finger 
straight back, you are on it.  Flipped to the right is on.
8.  There is an Applications key after all, it is the second key from the top 
right most key..  It is easy to toggle between the standard function keys and 
the media function keys.  I know, I listed this under the cons, but for some it 
would also be a pro.

For anyone else who has, or ends up with this keyboard, here is the key layout 
that involves the missing or extra keys.

ON the very top row, it is mostly standard, but here goes starting from the top 
left key:
Escape
F1
f2
f3
f4
f5
f6
f7
f8
f9
f10
f11
f12
The Function Toggle
Print Screen, which is longer than the other keys.
Device 1
Device 2
Device 3
Calculator key
Battery indicator with one of the hieroglyphic symbols my wife couldn't 
identify).
I am guessing that is for use with the Logitech Options software.
App Menu, Applications Key
Windows Lock key.  This key allows you to lock your computer

Re: Logitech K860 Wireless ergonomic keyboard for Windows/android or Mac/iOS, updated info about the Applications key

[Greg Wocher]

Hello,
Well I was able to finally get this keyboard. However I cannot figure out how 
to pair it to my Mac. I got it paired to my windows machine just fine. I have 
my windows machine set to device one. I cannot figure out to get the Mac paired 
as device 2. I follow the instructions and nothing ever shows up on my Mac. 
Anyone got any suggestions on what I can try?

Thanks,
Greg Wocher


> On May 4, 2021, at 11:14 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
>  
> Logitech K860 Wireless ergonomic keyboard for Windows/android or Mac/iOS
>  
> I needed a new keyboard as my 15-year-old USB keyboard was starting to have 
> problems with a few keys and my old hands are deciding that it is time to go 
> back to an ergonomic keyboard.
> So, after doing some research, I settled on what is rated as one of the 
> better ergonomic keyboards.
>  
> I was not set on wireless, but that is the way the world is going and since I 
> like Logitech products in general, I went with this one.
> Logitech K860 Split wireless Ergonomic keyboard.  It is pricy at $130.
> I'll start with the negatives.
>  
> Cons:
> (When I first wrote this up, I thought there was no Applications Key, but 
> there is, listed as number 8 under Pros.)
> 1.  Only one Windows key on the left.
> 2.  No accessible documentation.  And no true documentation about the 
> hieroglyphic symbols   used on some of the keys.
> 3.  It is too easy to toggle to the media functions for the function keys.
> 4.  It is pretty large.  Left to right it is the same width as my standard 
> Wired USB keyboard.  Front to back it is about 1.5 times as deep.  And, of 
> course, much higher off the desk at the front edge due to the curve for the 
> ergonomics of the thing.
> 5.  *Not really a con, just the nature of ergonomic keyboards, but the split 
> is between the 6 and 7, (and f6 and f7) keys, so for touch typists, the habit 
> of hitting the 6and F6 with your right index finger has to be retrained.
>  
> Pros:
> 1.  It is probably the most comfortable keyboard I have ever typed on.  The 
> wrist rest is quite comfortable, and for me, at the right height Plus, it has 
> feet under the front edge so you can raise it up to a more level arrangement 
> which fits me perfectly.  It is already on a slight angle so no real need for 
> feet in the back.
> 2.  Easy setup with or without the Logitech Options package.  I plugged in 
> the USB receiver turned on the keyboard and Windows 10 had no trouble 
> communicating with it.  There is a little key next to the f12 key that 
> toggles you between standard function keys and the media function keys.  Easy 
> to press accidentally.
> 3.  It takes two triple A batteries, and they say that they will last 2 
> years.  I believe it based on my experience with the K480.
> 4.  This is a full-sized keyboard with the number pad.
> 5.  If I used the Windows Calculator more, this has a designated key above 
> the Num-lock key to launch the Windows Calculator.
> 6.  It can connect to 3 devices.  Either 3 Bluetooth devices or 1 USB and 2 
> Bluetooth, and/or possibly 2 USB devices and one Bluetooth, that isn't clear. 
>  Connecting it to my iPhone was easy after I called their support line.
> The three keys for switching between devices are right above the 6 pack, 
> making it a 9 pack.
> It is tremendously easy to switch devices.  I wanted to check a key function 
> on my iPhone while I was writing this, so I tapped the iPhone key, (for me 
> device 3)  did my checking, tapped the computer key, (device 1), and finished 
> writing this in Word on my computer.
> 7.  It has a physical on/off switch located on the back edge and slightly 
> under it.  If you feel where the split is between f6 and f7, and slide your 
> finger straight back, you are on it.  Flipped to the right is on.
> 8.  There is an Applications key after all, it is the second key from the top 
> right most key..  It is easy to toggle between the standard function keys and 
> the media function keys.  I know, I listed this under the cons, but for some 
> it would also be a pro.
>  
> For anyone else who has, or ends up with this keyboard, here is the key 
> layout that involves the missing or extra keys.
>  
> ON the very top row, it is mostly standard, but here goes starting from the 
> top left key:
> Escape
> F1
> f2
> f3
> f4
> f5
> f6
> f7
> f8
> f9
> f10
> f11
> f12
> The Function Toggle
> Print Screen, which is longer than the other keys.
> Device 1
> Device 2
> Device 3
> Calculator key
> Battery indicator with one of the hieroglyphic symbols my wife couldn't 
> identify).
> I am guessing that is for use with the Logitech Options software.
> App Menu, Applications Key
> Windows Lock key.  This key allows you to lock your computer, so you need the 
> password to get back into it, also accomplished with WindowsKey+l.
> * Note that the Function Toggle key is directly above the left edge of the 
> backspace key, and the print screen key is above the rest of the backspace 
> key.
>  
> The fi

RE: Logitech K860 Wireless ergonomic keyboard for Windows/android or Mac/iOS, updated info about the Applications key

[Richard Turner]

I use the USB Dongle with my Windows computer.
You could easily use it via Bluetooth with your Mac.
I realized after sending my updated review, that if you want the Scroll Lock it 
is function key plus app menu key.
That App Menu key has the little SC on it, along with the icon for the 
Applications key.

If yu get it from Amazon, or another source, make sure you have the option to 
return it if you don't like it.
But, you likely will love it.


Richard
"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what 
they become by it."
- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Greg 
Wocher
Sent: Tuesday, May 4, 2021 10:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Logitech K860 Wireless ergonomic keyboard for Windows/android or 
Mac/iOS, updated info about the Applications key

Hello,
Thanks for this description of this keyboard. I have been looking at it for a 
while trying to decide if I want to get it. I have been looking for a good 
split keyboard like this.  I also use both Mac and Windows so this would easily 
let me switch between my Mac and Windows machine. I think I might go ahead and 
get this keyboard soon.

Greg Wocher



On May 4, 2021, at 11:14 AM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:


Logitech K860 Wireless ergonomic keyboard for Windows/android or Mac/iOS

I needed a new keyboard as my 15-year-old USB keyboard was starting to have 
problems with a few keys and my old hands are deciding that it is time to go 
back to an ergonomic keyboard.
So, after doing some research, I settled on what is rated as one of the better 
ergonomic keyboards.

I was not set on wireless, but that is the way the world is going and since I 
like Logitech products in general, I went with this one.
Logitech K860 Split wireless Ergonomic keyboard.  It is pricy at $130.
I'll start with the negatives.

Cons:
(When I first wrote this up, I thought there was no Applications Key, but there 
is, listed as number 8 under Pros.)
1.  Only one Windows key on the left.
2.  No accessible documentation.  And no true documentation about the 
hieroglyphic symbols   used on some of the keys.
3.  It is too easy to toggle to the media functions for the function keys.
4.  It is pretty large.  Left to right it is the same width as my standard 
Wired USB keyboard.  Front to back it is about 1.5 times as deep.  And, of 
course, much higher off the desk at the front edge due to the curve for the 
ergonomics of the thing.
5.  *Not really a con, just the nature of ergonomic keyboards, but the split is 
between the 6 and 7, (and f6 and f7) keys, so for touch typists, the habit of 
hitting the 6and F6 with your right index finger has to be retrained.

Pros:
1.  It is probably the most comfortable keyboard I have ever typed on.  The 
wrist rest is quite comfortable, and for me, at the right height Plus, it has 
feet under the front edge so you can raise it up to a more level arrangement 
which fits me perfectly.  It is already on a slight angle so no real need for 
feet in the back.
2.  Easy setup with or without the Logitech Options package.  I plugged in the 
USB receiver turned on the keyboard and Windows 10 had no trouble communicating 
with it.  There is a little key next to the f12 key that toggles you between 
standard function keys and the media function keys.  Easy to press accidentally.
3.  It takes two triple A batteries, and they say that they will last 2 years.  
I believe it based on my experience with the K480.
4.  This is a full-sized keyboard with the number pad.
5.  If I used the Windows Calculator more, this has a designated key above the 
Num-lock key to launch the Windows Calculator.
6.  It can connect to 3 devices.  Either 3 Bluetooth devices or 1 USB and 2 
Bluetooth, and/or possibly 2 USB devices and one Bluetooth, that isn't clear.  
Connecting it to my iPhone was easy after I called their support line.
The three keys for switching between devices are right above the 6 pack, making 
it a 9 pack.
It is tremendously easy to switch devices.  I wanted to check a key function on 
my iPhone while I was writing this, so I tapped the iPhone key, (for me device 
3)  did my checking, tapped the computer key, (device 1), and finished writing 
this in Word on my computer.
7.  It has a physical on/off switch located on the back edge and slightly under 
it.  If you feel where the split is between f6 and f7, and slide your finger 
straight back, you are on it.  Flipped to the right is on.
8.  There is an Applications key after all, it is the second key from the top 
right most key..  It is easy to toggle between the standard function keys and 
the media function keys.  I know, I listed this under the cons, but for some it 
would also be a pro.

For anyone else who has, or ends up with this keyboard, here is the key layout 
that involves the missing or extra keys.

ON th

Re: Logitech K860 Wireless ergonomic keyboard for Windows/android or Mac/iOS, updated info about the Applications key

[Greg Wocher]

Hello,
Thanks for this description of this keyboard. I have been looking at it for a 
while trying to decide if I want to get it. I have been looking for a good 
split keyboard like this.  I also use both Mac and Windows so this would easily 
let me switch between my Mac and Windows machine. I think I might go ahead and 
get this keyboard soon.

Greg Wocher


> On May 4, 2021, at 11:14 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
>  
> Logitech K860 Wireless ergonomic keyboard for Windows/android or Mac/iOS
>  
> I needed a new keyboard as my 15-year-old USB keyboard was starting to have 
> problems with a few keys and my old hands are deciding that it is time to go 
> back to an ergonomic keyboard.
> So, after doing some research, I settled on what is rated as one of the 
> better ergonomic keyboards.
>  
> I was not set on wireless, but that is the way the world is going and since I 
> like Logitech products in general, I went with this one.
> Logitech K860 Split wireless Ergonomic keyboard.  It is pricy at $130.
> I'll start with the negatives.
>  
> Cons:
> (When I first wrote this up, I thought there was no Applications Key, but 
> there is, listed as number 8 under Pros.)
> 1.  Only one Windows key on the left.
> 2.  No accessible documentation.  And no true documentation about the 
> hieroglyphic symbols   used on some of the keys.
> 3.  It is too easy to toggle to the media functions for the function keys.
> 4.  It is pretty large.  Left to right it is the same width as my standard 
> Wired USB keyboard.  Front to back it is about 1.5 times as deep.  And, of 
> course, much higher off the desk at the front edge due to the curve for the 
> ergonomics of the thing.
> 5.  *Not really a con, just the nature of ergonomic keyboards, but the split 
> is between the 6 and 7, (and f6 and f7) keys, so for touch typists, the habit 
> of hitting the 6and F6 with your right index finger has to be retrained.
>  
> Pros:
> 1.  It is probably the most comfortable keyboard I have ever typed on.  The 
> wrist rest is quite comfortable, and for me, at the right height Plus, it has 
> feet under the front edge so you can raise it up to a more level arrangement 
> which fits me perfectly.  It is already on a slight angle so no real need for 
> feet in the back.
> 2.  Easy setup with or without the Logitech Options package.  I plugged in 
> the USB receiver turned on the keyboard and Windows 10 had no trouble 
> communicating with it.  There is a little key next to the f12 key that 
> toggles you between standard function keys and the media function keys.  Easy 
> to press accidentally.
> 3.  It takes two triple A batteries, and they say that they will last 2 
> years.  I believe it based on my experience with the K480.
> 4.  This is a full-sized keyboard with the number pad.
> 5.  If I used the Windows Calculator more, this has a designated key above 
> the Num-lock key to launch the Windows Calculator.
> 6.  It can connect to 3 devices.  Either 3 Bluetooth devices or 1 USB and 2 
> Bluetooth, and/or possibly 2 USB devices and one Bluetooth, that isn't clear. 
>  Connecting it to my iPhone was easy after I called their support line.
> The three keys for switching between devices are right above the 6 pack, 
> making it a 9 pack.
> It is tremendously easy to switch devices.  I wanted to check a key function 
> on my iPhone while I was writing this, so I tapped the iPhone key, (for me 
> device 3)  did my checking, tapped the computer key, (device 1), and finished 
> writing this in Word on my computer.
> 7.  It has a physical on/off switch located on the back edge and slightly 
> under it.  If you feel where the split is between f6 and f7, and slide your 
> finger straight back, you are on it.  Flipped to the right is on.
> 8.  There is an Applications key after all, it is the second key from the top 
> right most key..  It is easy to toggle between the standard function keys and 
> the media function keys.  I know, I listed this under the cons, but for some 
> it would also be a pro.
>  
> For anyone else who has, or ends up with this keyboard, here is the key 
> layout that involves the missing or extra keys.
>  
> ON the very top row, it is mostly standard, but here goes starting from the 
> top left key:
> Escape
> F1
> f2
> f3
> f4
> f5
> f6
> f7
> f8
> f9
> f10
> f11
> f12
> The Function Toggle
> Print Screen, which is longer than the other keys.
> Device 1
> Device 2
> Device 3
> Calculator key
> Battery indicator with one of the hieroglyphic symbols my wife couldn't 
> identify).
> I am guessing that is for use with the Logitech Options software.
> App Menu, Applications Key
> Windows Lock key.  This key allows you to lock your computer, so you need the 
> password to get back into it, also accomplished with WindowsKey+l.
> * Note that the Function Toggle key is directly above the left edge of the 
> backspace key, and the print screen key is above the rest of the backspace 
> key.
>  
> The first row where the space bar is

Logitech K860 Wireless ergonomic keyboard for Windows/android or Mac/iOS, updated info about the Applications key

[Richard Turner]

Logitech K860 Wireless ergonomic keyboard for Windows/android or Mac/iOS

I needed a new keyboard as my 15-year-old USB keyboard was starting to have 
problems with a few keys and my old hands are deciding that it is time to go 
back to an ergonomic keyboard.
So, after doing some research, I settled on what is rated as one of the better 
ergonomic keyboards.

I was not set on wireless, but that is the way the world is going and since I 
like Logitech products in general, I went with this one.
Logitech K860 Split wireless Ergonomic keyboard.  It is pricy at $130.
I'll start with the negatives.

Cons:
(When I first wrote this up, I thought there was no Applications Key, but there 
is, listed as number 8 under Pros.)
1.  Only one Windows key on the left.
2.  No accessible documentation.  And no true documentation about the 
hieroglyphic symbols   used on some of the keys.
3.  It is too easy to toggle to the media functions for the function keys.
4.  It is pretty large.  Left to right it is the same width as my standard 
Wired USB keyboard.  Front to back it is about 1.5 times as deep.  And, of 
course, much higher off the desk at the front edge due to the curve for the 
ergonomics of the thing.
5.  *Not really a con, just the nature of ergonomic keyboards, but the split is 
between the 6 and 7, (and f6 and f7) keys, so for touch typists, the habit of 
hitting the 6and F6 with your right index finger has to be retrained.

Pros:
1.  It is probably the most comfortable keyboard I have ever typed on.  The 
wrist rest is quite comfortable, and for me, at the right height Plus, it has 
feet under the front edge so you can raise it up to a more level arrangement 
which fits me perfectly.  It is already on a slight angle so no real need for 
feet in the back.
2.  Easy setup with or without the Logitech Options package.  I plugged in the 
USB receiver turned on the keyboard and Windows 10 had no trouble communicating 
with it.  There is a little key next to the f12 key that toggles you between 
standard function keys and the media function keys.  Easy to press accidentally.
3.  It takes two triple A batteries, and they say that they will last 2 years.  
I believe it based on my experience with the K480.
4.  This is a full-sized keyboard with the number pad.
5.  If I used the Windows Calculator more, this has a designated key above the 
Num-lock key to launch the Windows Calculator.
6.  It can connect to 3 devices.  Either 3 Bluetooth devices or 1 USB and 2 
Bluetooth, and/or possibly 2 USB devices and one Bluetooth, that isn't clear.  
Connecting it to my iPhone was easy after I called their support line.
The three keys for switching between devices are right above the 6 pack, making 
it a 9 pack.
It is tremendously easy to switch devices.  I wanted to check a key function on 
my iPhone while I was writing this, so I tapped the iPhone key, (for me device 
3)  did my checking, tapped the computer key, (device 1), and finished writing 
this in Word on my computer.
7.  It has a physical on/off switch located on the back edge and slightly under 
it.  If you feel where the split is between f6 and f7, and slide your finger 
straight back, you are on it.  Flipped to the right is on.
8.  There is an Applications key after all, it is the second key from the top 
right most key..  It is easy to toggle between the standard function keys and 
the media function keys.  I know, I listed this under the cons, but for some it 
would also be a pro.

For anyone else who has, or ends up with this keyboard, here is the key layout 
that involves the missing or extra keys.

ON the very top row, it is mostly standard, but here goes starting from the top 
left key:
Escape
F1
f2
f3
f4
f5
f6
f7
f8
f9
f10
f11
f12
The Function Toggle
Print Screen, which is longer than the other keys.
Device 1
Device 2
Device 3
Calculator key
Battery indicator with one of the hieroglyphic symbols my wife couldn't 
identify).
I am guessing that is for use with the Logitech Options software.
App Menu, Applications Key
Windows Lock key.  This key allows you to lock your computer, so you need the 
password to get back into it, also accomplished with WindowsKey+l.
* Note that the Function Toggle key is directly above the left edge of the 
backspace key, and the print screen key is above the rest of the backspace key.

The first row where the space bar is located is laid out like this:
Control Key
Windows/Options Key
Alt/Command Key
Spacebar with the split in the middle
Alt/Command Key
Function key, which also seems to have the word Options, probably for 
Mac/iOS/iPadOS usage.
Control Key
Then your standard arrow keys followed by the standard numpad.


Richard
"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what 
they become by it."
- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

Web site: 
www.turner42.com