Re: Phone pricing/upgrading, was: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

[Bill Gallik]

I got my first - an iPhone 5 - in September, 2012.  When I upgraded to my 
current iPhone 6 I “lent” the iPhone 5 to my niece so she would have reasonable 
communications while she’s driving her two daughters around Northern Wisconsin 
during our notably fierce winter months.  She’s continuing to use that iPhone 5 
without any issues just fine.

I will add that when Apple came out with the list of iPhone 5 serial numbers my 
original iPhone was in that list; I sent that iPhone in for the customary 
exchange to cover the faulty battery issue.  I do believe I will not upgrade 
until the iPhone my niece is using “hits the skids” and then I’ll upgrade and 
offer he my iPhone 6.  But it does appear that the iPhone 5 is still holding 
its’ own; that’s going on six years now so I certainly got my money’s worth on 
the purchase of that iPhone.  I’m not in any hurry to upgrade because, frankly, 
I’d prefer to wait for the next incarnation of the iPhone.


- Bill from Ino, Wisconsin
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RE: Phone pricing/upgrading, was: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Nobody forces you to upgrade although in my opinion a smartphone's lifespan is 
limited just as the lifespan of a laptop although it can be somewhat longer. I 
think a recently current iPhone can easily run for 4 or 5 years and if after 3 
or 4 years you change the battery maybe longer, it would be an interesting 
experiment, biut most people get rid of their phones after a couple of years 
and many are now on these annual upgrade plans.
As for the temperatures in Canada that depends, move to Vancouver or even 
better Victoria pon Vancouver Island and you will rarely see snow or 
temperatures below freezing. Unfortunately Vancouver is also one of the most 
expensive cities in Canada and, for that matter, in the world when it comes to 
rents and real estate.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Deidre Muccio
Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 5:26 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Phone pricing/upgrading, was: Harming battery if left on a charger 
all the time

I want to move to Canada! Too bad it's a little colder there than where I am in 
Massachusetts. I need to come up there and start exploring around! Anyway nice 
post. I especially like your comment about touch screen commands and being able 
to activate something while the phone is in your pocket. I really don't have 
any use for myself or any of the added features on smart phones because I don't 
do banking or anything particularly sophisticated  on my phone. My favorite 
apps our podcast calendar Facebook that all the reading programs for the blind, 
Scanning programs, tune in radio, camera photos is great but honestly just just 
don't have any use for much more than that. I really wish there was not this 
continual race to upgrade, Or let me just say that it  holds no use for me 
personally.

Deidre


> On Jan 13, 2018, at 12:37 AM, Cristóbal  wrote:
> 
> That and with the rumored second gen SE phone, upgrading for better 
> performance without having to pay a premium price for features that we may 
> not be able to use to its fullest at a more reasonable amount becomes a much 
> more attractive option.  
> The wife's got the latest iPad Pro and is perfectly happy with her SE. If 
> another SE comes out, I'm probably going to give that one a hard look-see 
> since I prefer the smaller size and am loathed to give up the finger print 
> feature. She prefers to upgrade her iPad from time to time rather than having 
> the latest and greatest phone. She's probably going to keep that phone till 
> it gives up the ghost. We'll likely get the batteries swapped out this year 
> so that'll only help too.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 8:59 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Phone pricing/upgrading, was: Harming battery if left on a 
> charger all the time
> 
> The fact is that if you upgrade every year one way or another the carrier or 
> Apple or whoever flips the bill on the phone will make you pay and just like 
> a Casino, the house always wins. I guess if a new phone every year is your 
> thing then it's probably worth it for you. Since I bought my first iPhone 4 
> in 2010 I upgraded once the next year and that was in 2011 when the iPhone 4S 
> with SIRI came out. After that I always kept my phone for 2 years, my next on 
> was a 5S in 2013 and then a 6S Plus in 2015. This time for the first time I 
> am keeping my 6S Plus for a third year and given how much I like that phone, 
> how well it works and considering that at some point this year I'll pay Apple 
> the $35 Canadian to get a new battery put in I might very well keep it for a 
> fourth year when this fall comes around. Apple must do something pretty cool 
> this fall to make me upgrade, yes, wireless charging is tempting, but while 
> Face Id is cool, I also really like Touch Id and how it allows me to unlock 
> my phone while it's in my belt holster or inside my jacket pocket.
> As the phones mature and truly revolutionary designs and features don't 
> happen as often I find the need to upgrade less urgent. My wife has a 6S and 
> we are both out of contract and with an MVNO here in Canada, Koodo, where we 
> have unlimited Canada wide calling and texting along with basic voice mail 
> and 6 Gb of data each for $49 + taxes, total of $54.88. Recently all 3 of the 
> large carriers, Rogers, Bell and Telus, offered a promo which lasted only a 
> few days and for $60 you were able to get the unlimited calling and texting 
> along with 10 Gb of data which isn't bad at all, but we rarely use even 2 Gb 
> a month unless we are away for a longer period of time and even then 6 Gb is 
> quite a bit. The usual price here in Canada for something like what we have 
> is at least $30 a month more if you are on a 2-year contract, this means over 

Re: Phone pricing/upgrading, was: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

[Deidre Muccio]

I want to move to Canada! Too bad it's a little colder there than where I am in 
Massachusetts. I need to come up there and start exploring around! Anyway nice 
post. I especially like your comment about touch screen commands and being able 
to activate something while the phone is in your pocket. I really don't have 
any use for myself or any of the added features on smart phones because I don't 
do banking or anything particularly sophisticated  on my phone. My favorite 
apps our podcast calendar Facebook that all the reading programs for the blind, 
Scanning programs, tune in radio, camera photos is great but honestly just just 
don't have any use for much more than that. I really wish there was not this 
continual race to upgrade, Or let me just say that it  holds no use for me 
personally.

Deidre


> On Jan 13, 2018, at 12:37 AM, Cristóbal  wrote:
> 
> That and with the rumored second gen SE phone, upgrading for better 
> performance without having to pay a premium price for features that we may 
> not be able to use to its fullest at a more reasonable amount becomes a much 
> more attractive option.  
> The wife's got the latest iPad Pro and is perfectly happy with her SE. If 
> another SE comes out, I'm probably going to give that one a hard look-see 
> since I prefer the smaller size and am loathed to give up the finger print 
> feature. She prefers to upgrade her iPad from time to time rather than having 
> the latest and greatest phone. She's probably going to keep that phone till 
> it gives up the ghost. We'll likely get the batteries swapped out this year 
> so that'll only help too.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 8:59 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Phone pricing/upgrading, was: Harming battery if left on a charger 
> all the time
> 
> The fact is that if you upgrade every year one way or another the carrier or 
> Apple or whoever flips the bill on the phone will make you pay and just like 
> a Casino, the house always wins. I guess if a new phone every year is your 
> thing then it's probably worth it for you. Since I bought my first iPhone 4 
> in 2010 I upgraded once the next year and that was in 2011 when the iPhone 4S 
> with SIRI came out. After that I always kept my phone for 2 years, my next on 
> was a 5S in 2013 and then a 6S Plus in 2015. This time for the first time I 
> am keeping my 6S Plus for a third year and given how much I like that phone, 
> how well it works and considering that at some point this year I'll pay Apple 
> the $35 Canadian to get a new battery put in I might very well keep it for a 
> fourth year when this fall comes around. Apple must do something pretty cool 
> this fall to make me upgrade, yes, wireless charging is tempting, but while 
> Face Id is cool, I also really like Touch Id and how it allows me to unlock 
> my phone while it's in my belt holster or inside my jacket pocket.
> As the phones mature and truly revolutionary designs and features don't 
> happen as often I find the need to upgrade less urgent. My wife has a 6S and 
> we are both out of contract and with an MVNO here in Canada, Koodo, where we 
> have unlimited Canada wide calling and texting along with basic voice mail 
> and 6 Gb of data each for $49 + taxes, total of $54.88. Recently all 3 of the 
> large carriers, Rogers, Bell and Telus, offered a promo which lasted only a 
> few days and for $60 you were able to get the unlimited calling and texting 
> along with 10 Gb of data which isn't bad at all, but we rarely use even 2 Gb 
> a month unless we are away for a longer period of time and even then 6 Gb is 
> quite a bit. The usual price here in Canada for something like what we have 
> is at least $30 a month more if you are on a 2-year contract, this means over 
> 2 years that is 720 and if I keep my phone for a third year that goes up to 
> $1,080 which means I save the full purchase price of an iPhone 8 in that 
> time. 
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Victor Gouveia
> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 8:34 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time
> 
> Those are not leases, those are commitments and usually go with plans.
> 
> I was under the impression these device leases were separate from the plan, 
> and one gets to upgrade every year or new release, which ever comes first.
> 
> What you describe is no different from the contracts currently offered now. 
> Is this new terminology being used for commitments or contracts?
> 
> Victor
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Robin Frost
> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 11:09 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time
> 
> Hi,
> It is through my 

Re: Phone pricing/upgrading, was: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

[Gerardo Corripio]

Yes exactly more or less premium features is why this coming November when my 
plan is renewed, I’m kind of starting to do research on what the best phone 
would be? I’m between the SE series with smaller screen, lacking 3D touch and 
others, versus taking advantage of the 6S,&7 series with 3D touch and other 
more-advanced features. If the 2nd Generation SE would include 3D tuch, 
probably, but otherwise, part of me is still debating with which line to go 
with! Thanks for tips.
And also some of you guys have talked about having to go with the competition 
because of the prices? That’s exactly what happened with AT IN APRIL2015 WHEN 
MY IPHONE 3GS HIT THE DUST, AND IT CAME TIME TO UPGRADE MY PLAN; BECAUSE THE 4S 
WAS KIND OF EXPENSIVE FOR THE FAMILY BUDGET, I HAD TO FORCEFULLY SWITCH, BUT NO 
GO! SEVERAL MONTHS LATER, I WAS BACK IN THE IOS WORLD, WITH A USED 4S AND HAVE 
NEVER LOOKED BACK! I DON’T WANT TO COME ACROSS AN APPLE FAN BOY, BUT THATS FOR 
ANOTHER LIST AND THREAD MY IMPRESSIONS OF ONE VERSUS THE OTHERS.

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone 5S de Telcel

El 13/01/2018, a la(s) 1:44 a. m., lenron brown  escribió:

> I really love my touch ID so I am going to stick with this IPhone
> 7plus for as long as I Need an IOS device. Especially since it's
> completely paid off. The 8plus would pretty much be this phone with
> not many upgrades. So unless there is a new phone that's better with
> touch ID this year I am good.
> 
>> On 1/12/18, Cristóbal  wrote:
>> That and with the rumored second gen SE phone, upgrading for better
>> performance without having to pay a premium price for features that we may
>> not be able to use to its fullest at a more reasonable amount becomes a much
>> more attractive option.
>> The wife's got the latest iPad Pro and is perfectly happy with her SE. If
>> another SE comes out, I'm probably going to give that one a hard look-see
>> since I prefer the smaller size and am loathed to give up the finger print
>> feature. She prefers to upgrade her iPad from time to time rather than
>> having the latest and greatest phone. She's probably going to keep that
>> phone till it gives up the ghost. We'll likely get the batteries swapped out
>> this year so that'll only help too.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 8:59 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Phone pricing/upgrading, was: Harming battery if left on a charger
>> all the time
>> 
>> The fact is that if you upgrade every year one way or another the carrier or
>> Apple or whoever flips the bill on the phone will make you pay and just like
>> a Casino, the house always wins. I guess if a new phone every year is your
>> thing then it's probably worth it for you. Since I bought my first iPhone 4
>> in 2010 I upgraded once the next year and that was in 2011 when the iPhone
>> 4S with SIRI came out. After that I always kept my phone for 2 years, my
>> next on was a 5S in 2013 and then a 6S Plus in 2015. This time for the first
>> time I am keeping my 6S Plus for a third year and given how much I like that
>> phone, how well it works and considering that at some point this year I'll
>> pay Apple the $35 Canadian to get a new battery put in I might very well
>> keep it for a fourth year when this fall comes around. Apple must do
>> something pretty cool this fall to make me upgrade, yes, wireless charging
>> is tempting, but while Face Id is cool, I also really like Touch Id and how
>> it allows me to unlock my phone while it's in my belt holster or inside my
>> jacket pocket.
>> As the phones mature and truly revolutionary designs and features don't
>> happen as often I find the need to upgrade less urgent. My wife has a 6S and
>> we are both out of contract and with an MVNO here in Canada, Koodo, where we
>> have unlimited Canada wide calling and texting along with basic voice mail
>> and 6 Gb of data each for $49 + taxes, total of $54.88. Recently all 3 of
>> the large carriers, Rogers, Bell and Telus, offered a promo which lasted
>> only a few days and for $60 you were able to get the unlimited calling and
>> texting along with 10 Gb of data which isn't bad at all, but we rarely use
>> even 2 Gb a month unless we are away for a longer period of time and even
>> then 6 Gb is quite a bit. The usual price here in Canada for something like
>> what we have is at least $30 a month more if you are on a 2-year contract,
>> this means over 2 years that is 720 and if I keep my phone for a third year
>> that goes up to $1,080 which means I save the full purchase price of an
>> iPhone 8 in that time.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Victor Gouveia
>> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 8:34 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Harming battery 

Re: Phone pricing/upgrading, was: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

[lenron brown]

I really love my touch ID so I am going to stick with this IPhone
7plus for as long as I Need an IOS device. Especially since it's
completely paid off. The 8plus would pretty much be this phone with
not many upgrades. So unless there is a new phone that's better with
touch ID this year I am good.

On 1/12/18, Cristóbal  wrote:
> That and with the rumored second gen SE phone, upgrading for better
> performance without having to pay a premium price for features that we may
> not be able to use to its fullest at a more reasonable amount becomes a much
> more attractive option.
> The wife's got the latest iPad Pro and is perfectly happy with her SE. If
> another SE comes out, I'm probably going to give that one a hard look-see
> since I prefer the smaller size and am loathed to give up the finger print
> feature. She prefers to upgrade her iPad from time to time rather than
> having the latest and greatest phone. She's probably going to keep that
> phone till it gives up the ghost. We'll likely get the batteries swapped out
> this year so that'll only help too.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 8:59 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Phone pricing/upgrading, was: Harming battery if left on a charger
> all the time
>
> The fact is that if you upgrade every year one way or another the carrier or
> Apple or whoever flips the bill on the phone will make you pay and just like
> a Casino, the house always wins. I guess if a new phone every year is your
> thing then it's probably worth it for you. Since I bought my first iPhone 4
> in 2010 I upgraded once the next year and that was in 2011 when the iPhone
> 4S with SIRI came out. After that I always kept my phone for 2 years, my
> next on was a 5S in 2013 and then a 6S Plus in 2015. This time for the first
> time I am keeping my 6S Plus for a third year and given how much I like that
> phone, how well it works and considering that at some point this year I'll
> pay Apple the $35 Canadian to get a new battery put in I might very well
> keep it for a fourth year when this fall comes around. Apple must do
> something pretty cool this fall to make me upgrade, yes, wireless charging
> is tempting, but while Face Id is cool, I also really like Touch Id and how
> it allows me to unlock my phone while it's in my belt holster or inside my
> jacket pocket.
> As the phones mature and truly revolutionary designs and features don't
> happen as often I find the need to upgrade less urgent. My wife has a 6S and
> we are both out of contract and with an MVNO here in Canada, Koodo, where we
> have unlimited Canada wide calling and texting along with basic voice mail
> and 6 Gb of data each for $49 + taxes, total of $54.88. Recently all 3 of
> the large carriers, Rogers, Bell and Telus, offered a promo which lasted
> only a few days and for $60 you were able to get the unlimited calling and
> texting along with 10 Gb of data which isn't bad at all, but we rarely use
> even 2 Gb a month unless we are away for a longer period of time and even
> then 6 Gb is quite a bit. The usual price here in Canada for something like
> what we have is at least $30 a month more if you are on a 2-year contract,
> this means over 2 years that is 720 and if I keep my phone for a third year
> that goes up to $1,080 which means I save the full purchase price of an
> iPhone 8 in that time.
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Victor Gouveia
> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 8:34 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time
>
> Those are not leases, those are commitments and usually go with plans.
>
> I was under the impression these device leases were separate from the plan,
> and one gets to upgrade every year or new release, which ever comes first.
>
> What you describe is no different from the contracts currently offered now.
>
> Is this new terminology being used for commitments or contracts?
>
> Victor
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Robin Frost
> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 11:09 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time
>
> Hi,
> It is through my carrier Many of the carriers in the USA offer plans whereby
> you can make monthly payments and either upgrade after 12 or 24 months.
> Robin
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Victor Gouveia
> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 9:56 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time
>
> Robin, is this leasing plan from the manufacturer or the carrier?
>
> Victor
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Robin Frost
> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 9:44 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger 

RE: Phone pricing/upgrading, was: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

[Cristóbal]

That and with the rumored second gen SE phone, upgrading for better performance 
without having to pay a premium price for features that we may not be able to 
use to its fullest at a more reasonable amount becomes a much more attractive 
option.  
The wife's got the latest iPad Pro and is perfectly happy with her SE. If 
another SE comes out, I'm probably going to give that one a hard look-see since 
I prefer the smaller size and am loathed to give up the finger print feature. 
She prefers to upgrade her iPad from time to time rather than having the latest 
and greatest phone. She's probably going to keep that phone till it gives up 
the ghost. We'll likely get the batteries swapped out this year so that'll only 
help too.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 8:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Phone pricing/upgrading, was: Harming battery if left on a charger all 
the time

The fact is that if you upgrade every year one way or another the carrier or 
Apple or whoever flips the bill on the phone will make you pay and just like a 
Casino, the house always wins. I guess if a new phone every year is your thing 
then it's probably worth it for you. Since I bought my first iPhone 4 in 2010 I 
upgraded once the next year and that was in 2011 when the iPhone 4S with SIRI 
came out. After that I always kept my phone for 2 years, my next on was a 5S in 
2013 and then a 6S Plus in 2015. This time for the first time I am keeping my 
6S Plus for a third year and given how much I like that phone, how well it 
works and considering that at some point this year I'll pay Apple the $35 
Canadian to get a new battery put in I might very well keep it for a fourth 
year when this fall comes around. Apple must do something pretty cool this fall 
to make me upgrade, yes, wireless charging is tempting, but while Face Id is 
cool, I also really like Touch Id and how it allows me to unlock my phone while 
it's in my belt holster or inside my jacket pocket.
As the phones mature and truly revolutionary designs and features don't happen 
as often I find the need to upgrade less urgent. My wife has a 6S and we are 
both out of contract and with an MVNO here in Canada, Koodo, where we have 
unlimited Canada wide calling and texting along with basic voice mail and 6 Gb 
of data each for $49 + taxes, total of $54.88. Recently all 3 of the large 
carriers, Rogers, Bell and Telus, offered a promo which lasted only a few days 
and for $60 you were able to get the unlimited calling and texting along with 
10 Gb of data which isn't bad at all, but we rarely use even 2 Gb a month 
unless we are away for a longer period of time and even then 6 Gb is quite a 
bit. The usual price here in Canada for something like what we have is at least 
$30 a month more if you are on a 2-year contract, this means over 2 years that 
is 720 and if I keep my phone for a third year that goes up to $1,080 which 
means I save the full purchase price of an iPhone 8 in that time. 

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Victor Gouveia
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 8:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Those are not leases, those are commitments and usually go with plans.

I was under the impression these device leases were separate from the plan, and 
one gets to upgrade every year or new release, which ever comes first.

What you describe is no different from the contracts currently offered now. 
Is this new terminology being used for commitments or contracts?

Victor

-Original Message-
From: Robin Frost
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 11:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hi,
It is through my carrier Many of the carriers in the USA offer plans whereby 
you can make monthly payments and either upgrade after 12 or 24 months.
Robin


-Original Message-
From: Victor Gouveia
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 9:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Robin, is this leasing plan from the manufacturer or the carrier?

Victor

-Original Message-
From: Robin Frost
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 9:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hi,
Hardly (laughs). I just use one of the plans that let you lease as it were the 
device and upgrade annually so I don't have to pay anything up front and never 
in fact reach paying the entire cost of one before trading it in (smile).
If I win the lottery I'll buy you an iPhone annually if you buy me new windows 
and siding when you win how's that (smile)?
Robin


-Original Message-
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 6:47 PM
To: 

Phone pricing/upgrading, was: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

[Sieghard Weitzel]

The fact is that if you upgrade every year one way or another the carrier or 
Apple or whoever flips the bill on the phone will make you pay and just like a 
Casino, the house always wins. I guess if a new phone every year is your thing 
then it's probably worth it for you. Since I bought my first iPhone 4 in 2010 I 
upgraded once the next year and that was in 2011 when the iPhone 4S with SIRI 
came out. After that I always kept my phone for 2 years, my next on was a 5S in 
2013 and then a 6S Plus in 2015. This time for the first time I am keeping my 
6S Plus for a third year and given how much I like that phone, how well it 
works and considering that at some point this year I'll pay Apple the $35 
Canadian to get a new battery put in I might very well keep it for a fourth 
year when this fall comes around. Apple must do something pretty cool this fall 
to make me upgrade, yes, wireless charging is tempting, but while Face Id is 
cool, I also really like Touch Id and how it allows me to unlock my phone while 
it's in my belt holster or inside my jacket pocket.
As the phones mature and truly revolutionary designs and features don't happen 
as often I find the need to upgrade less urgent. My wife has a 6S and we are 
both out of contract and with an MVNO here in Canada, Koodo, where we have 
unlimited Canada wide calling and texting along with basic voice mail and 6 Gb 
of data each for $49 + taxes, total of $54.88. Recently all 3 of the large 
carriers, Rogers, Bell and Telus, offered a promo which lasted only a few days 
and for $60 you were able to get the unlimited calling and texting along with 
10 Gb of data which isn't bad at all, but we rarely use even 2 Gb a month 
unless we are away for a longer period of time and even then 6 Gb is quite a 
bit. The usual price here in Canada for something like what we have is at least 
$30 a month more if you are on a 2-year contract, this means over 2 years that 
is 720 and if I keep my phone for a third year that goes up to $1,080 which 
means I save the full purchase price of an iPhone 8 in that time. 

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Victor Gouveia
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 8:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Those are not leases, those are commitments and usually go with plans.

I was under the impression these device leases were separate from the plan, and 
one gets to upgrade every year or new release, which ever comes first.

What you describe is no different from the contracts currently offered now. 
Is this new terminology being used for commitments or contracts?

Victor

-Original Message-
From: Robin Frost
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 11:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hi,
It is through my carrier Many of the carriers in the USA offer plans whereby 
you can make monthly payments and either upgrade after 12 or 24 months.
Robin


-Original Message-
From: Victor Gouveia
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 9:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Robin, is this leasing plan from the manufacturer or the carrier?

Victor

-Original Message-
From: Robin Frost
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 9:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hi,
Hardly (laughs). I just use one of the plans that let you lease as it were the 
device and upgrade annually so I don't have to pay anything up front and never 
in fact reach paying the entire cost of one before trading it in (smile).
If I win the lottery I'll buy you an iPhone annually if you buy me new windows 
and siding when you win how's that (smile)?
Robin


-Original Message-
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 6:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hey Robin, a new iPhone every year, you must be loaded, how about you buy me an 
iPhone X, 256 Gb please *smile*


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Robin Frost
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 3:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hi,
While I don't dispute that which was said by an employee of Apple I have to say 
I have an iPhone here that spends most of its life on its charger as it's my 
beta testing unit and for the past 18 months it's had not one single problem or 
displayed any evidence of swelling. I should also note that my units are 
usually upgraded annually so I'm never working with older batteries either.
Robin


-Original Message-
From: MamaPeach
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 4:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time