Re: AIPoly VS CamFind

2016-01-18 Thread Monica Jones 
Oh, thanks bunches for the explanation.


From: Richard Turner 
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 8:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: AIPoly VS CamFind


Hi, Flash and torch are the same thing. They are the ca'mera's light and many 
apps, including CamFind have three options, off, so the light is never used so 
you depend on room or outdoor lighting.
On, so it is on all the time, which is the current setting with AIPoly.
Auto, which lets the sensor in the camera decide if there is enough light to 
get a good image.
In the United States, it is usually called flash. I first heard the term torch 
used in England.
HTH,
Richard


On Jan 16, 2016, at 8:41 PM, Monica Jones <coffeega...@att.net> wrote:


  For the benefit of someone who has never seen, what is the difference between 
flash and torch and what does torch do? Thanks bunches.


  From: Ioana Gandrabur 
  Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 4:02 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: Re: AIPoly VS CamFind

  Hi, 

  I tried both the apps and find cam find is more precise but video is so 
convenient. Btw, it is possible to turn the flash off for marginally better 
colour results in settings. Turn torch off there. 

  Hth, 

  Ioana




  Sent from my iPhone

  On Jan 12, 2016, at 10:59 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:


Hi Richard,

 

I just Googled “Aipoly Vision” and found their website at www.aipoly.com. 
Interestingly enough there seems to be no “Contact Us”, a link to submit a 
feedback/support form or an email for support. However, when I clicked on the 
“Press” link, I found an email address for press and interview inquiries. It is 
t...@aipoly.com. Maybe supp...@aipoly.com would work, but I agree that while 
it’s nice to see that they are trying to get main stream media coverage, they 
should be working closely with the people which the app is intended for. I 
guess let’s see if Aipoly is still around in a year or two and how many updates 
and improvements it has received.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 6:32 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
    Subject: Re: AIPoly VS CamFind

 

Would you share the email address you have for the AIPoly team?

Also, the problem with submitting reviews is an Apple issue, which I have 
reported a couple times to the accessibility team at Apple. I'd suggest 
everyone else having issues submitting reviews do the same. 
accessibil...@apple.com

 

 

Richard

 


On Jan 12, 2016, at 6:26 AM, Keith B. <kb5...@gmail.com> wrote:

  I have just a couple of thoughts about Aipoly. I really believe they are 
on to something, so I will continue to try to work with them. Most of us can't 
remember how terrible OCR was in its beginning days - how even with the best of 
programs we were lucky to get 85% recognition. And look where OCR for the blind 
is now because we saw the potential, worked with manufacturers, and refused to 
give up a dream. That is my personal thinking about Aipoly.

  Now for my frustration. I tried to submit a review on my iPhone 6. I 
could rate the program and title the review, but when I got to the writing 
section of the review, it completely kicked me out. I tried this on multiple 
occasions. I emailed the Aipoly Team but have yet to hear back, and this was 
the first day it came out.

  If Aipoly truly wants to develop the potential of this app, there has to 
be an acceptable way for us to give feedback. I don't do reviews in iTunes 
generally, and, when I tried, I got nowhere. So, if anyone from Aipoly is 
monitoring this list, some of us believe in you, but you have to find a 
convenient way for us to communicate with you. We really are the key to your 
success.

  On Tuesday, January 12, 2016 at 4:33:55 AM UTC-6, sandy wrote:

Richard, 
No I haven't discovered how to give feedback other than with the "pen" 
or was it pencil? I shall try playing with that feature. 
Good luck, Sandy 

Sent from my iPhone 

> On 11 Jan 2016, at 16:17, Richard Turner <richard...@outlook.com> 
wrote: 
> 
> 
> Did you find a way to submit feedback? 
> I didn't. 
> Of course, I did not spend a lot of time trying. 
> Thanks, 
> Richard 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 11, 2016, at 1:55 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
<vip...@googlegroups.com> wrote: 
>> 
>> hi Richard, 
>> After my less than stellar experience with a aiPoly vision, together 
with my usual success with CamFind, I got my partner to try out a aiPoly for 
me, lest it was user error on my part, and we discovered that, for him, while 
it works, it is incredibly inaccurate. however, I will n

Re: AIPoly VS CamFind

2016-01-17 Thread Richard Turner 

Hi, Flash and torch are the same thing. They are the ca'mera's light and many 
apps, including CamFind have three options, off, so the light is never used so 
you depend on room or outdoor lighting.
On, so it is on all the time, which is the current setting with AIPoly.
Auto, which lets the sensor in the camera decide if there is enough light to 
get a good image.
In the United States, it is usually called flash. I first heard the term torch 
used in England.
HTH,
Richard


> On Jan 16, 2016, at 8:41 PM, Monica Jones <coffeega...@att.net> wrote:
> 
> For the benefit of someone who has never seen, what is the difference between 
> flash and torch and what does torch do? Thanks bunches.
>  
>  
> From: Ioana Gandrabur
> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 4:02 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: AIPoly VS CamFind
>  
> Hi,
>  
> I tried both the apps and find cam find is more precise but video is so 
> convenient. Btw, it is possible to turn the flash off for marginally better 
> colour results in settings. Turn torch off there.
>  
> Hth,
>  
> Ioana
> 
>  
>  
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 12, 2016, at 10:59 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Richard,
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I just Googled “Aipoly Vision” and found their website at www.aipoly.com. 
>> Interestingly enough there seems to be no “Contact Us”, a link to submit a 
>> feedback/support form or an email for support. However, when I clicked on 
>> the “Press” link, I found an email address for press and interview 
>> inquiries. It is t...@aipoly.com. Maybe supp...@aipoly.com would work, but I 
>> agree that while it’s nice to see that they are trying to get main stream 
>> media coverage, they should be working closely with the people which the app 
>> is intended for. I guess let’s see if Aipoly is still around in a year or 
>> two and how many updates and improvements it has received.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Sieghard
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Richard Turner
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 6:32 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: AIPoly VS CamFind
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Would you share the email address you have for the AIPoly team?
>> 
>> Also, the problem with submitting reviews is an Apple issue, which I have 
>> reported a couple times to the accessibility team at Apple. I'd suggest 
>> everyone else having issues submitting reviews do the same. 
>> accessibil...@apple.com
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 12, 2016, at 6:26 AM, Keith B. <kb5...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I have just a couple of thoughts about Aipoly. I really believe they are on 
>> to something, so I will continue to try to work with them. Most of us can't 
>> remember how terrible OCR was in its beginning days - how even with the best 
>> of programs we were lucky to get 85% recognition. And look where OCR for the 
>> blind is now because we saw the potential, worked with manufacturers, and 
>> refused to give up a dream. That is my personal thinking about Aipoly.
>> 
>> Now for my frustration. I tried to submit a  review on my iPhone 6. I 
>> could rate the program and title the review, but when I got to the writing 
>> section of the review, it completely kicked me out. I tried this on multiple 
>> occasions. I emailed the Aipoly Team but have yet to hear back, and this was 
>> the first day it came out.
>> 
>> If Aipoly truly wants to develop the potential of this app, there has to be 
>> an acceptable way for us to give feedback. I don't do reviews in iTunes 
>> generally, and, when I tried, I got nowhere. So, if anyone from Aipoly is 
>> monitoring this list, some of us believe in you, but you have to find a 
>> convenient way for us to communicate with you. We really are the key to your 
>> success.
>> 
>> On Tuesday, January 12, 2016 at 4:33:55 AM UTC-6, sandy wrote:
>> 
>> Richard, 
>> No I haven't discovered how to give feedback other than with the "pen" or 
>> was it pencil? I shall try playing with that feature. 
>> Good luck, Sandy 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 
>> 
>> > On 11 Jan 2016, at 16:17, Richard Turner <richard...@outlook.com> wrote:   
>> >  
>> > 
>> > 
>> > Did you find a way to submit feedback? 
>> > I didn't. 
>> > Of course, I did not

Re: AIPoly VS CamFind

2016-01-16 Thread Ioana Gandrabur 
Hi, 

I tried both the apps and find cam find is more precise but video is so 
convenient. Btw, it is possible to turn the flash off for marginally better 
colour results in settings. Turn torch off there. 

Hth, 

Ioana



Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 12, 2016, at 10:59 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
> 
> Hi Richard,
>  
> I just Googled “Aipoly Vision” and found their website at www.aipoly.com. 
> Interestingly enough there seems to be no “Contact Us”, a link to submit a 
> feedback/support form or an email for support. However, when I clicked on the 
> “Press” link, I found an email address for press and interview inquiries. It 
> is t...@aipoly.com. Maybe supp...@aipoly.com would work, but I agree that 
> while it’s nice to see that they are trying to get main stream media 
> coverage, they should be working closely with the people which the app is 
> intended for. I guess let’s see if Aipoly is still around in a year or two 
> and how many updates and improvements it has received.
>  
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 6:32 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: AIPoly VS CamFind
>  
> Would you share the email address you have for the AIPoly team?
> Also, the problem with submitting reviews is an Apple issue, which I have 
> reported a couple times to the accessibility team at Apple. I'd suggest 
> everyone else having issues submitting reviews do the same. 
> accessibil...@apple.com
>  
>  
> Richard
>  
> 
> On Jan 12, 2016, at 6:26 AM, Keith B. <kb5...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I have just a couple of thoughts about Aipoly. I really believe they are on 
> to something, so I will continue to try to work with them. Most of us can't 
> remember how terrible OCR was in its beginning days - how even with the best 
> of programs we were lucky to get 85% recognition. And look where OCR for the 
> blind is now because we saw the potential, worked with manufacturers, and 
> refused to give up a dream. That is my personal thinking about Aipoly.
> 
> Now for my frustration. I tried to submit a review on my iPhone 6. I could 
> rate the program and title the review, but when I got to the writing section 
> of the review, it completely kicked me out. I tried this on multiple 
> occasions. I emailed the Aipoly Team but have yet to hear back, and this was 
> the first day it came out.
> 
> If Aipoly truly wants to develop the potential of this app, there has to be 
> an acceptable way for us to give feedback. I don't do reviews in iTunes 
> generally, and, when I tried, I got nowhere. So, if anyone from Aipoly is 
> monitoring this list, some of us believe in you, but you have to find a 
> convenient way for us to communicate with you. We really are the key to your 
> success.
> 
> On Tuesday, January 12, 2016 at 4:33:55 AM UTC-6, sandy wrote:
> Richard, 
> No I haven't discovered how to give feedback other than with the "pen" or was 
> it pencil? I shall try playing with that feature. 
> Good luck, Sandy 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 
> 
> > On 11 Jan 2016, at 16:17, Richard Turner <richard...@outlook.com> wrote: 
> > 
> > 
> > Did you find a way to submit feedback? 
> > I didn't. 
> > Of course, I did not spend a lot of time trying. 
> > Thanks, 
> > Richard 
> > 
> > 
> >> On Jan 11, 2016, at 1:55 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
> >> <vip...@googlegroups.com> wrote: 
> >> 
> >> hi Richard, 
> >> After my less than stellar experience with a aiPoly vision, together with 
> >> my usual success with CamFind, I got my partner to try out a aiPoly for 
> >> me, lest it was user error on my part, and we discovered that, for him, 
> >> while it works, it is incredibly inaccurate. however, I will not delete it 
> >> because I am sure that real-time video object identification is the way to 
> >> go. I think, with time, this will improve and our findings and addings to 
> >> the library is one way for it to do so. for me, the time lag is crucial! 
> >> probably, we should all submit our experiences and findings with the app 
> >> in the hopes that they will improve it. 
> >> 
> >> thoughts, Sandy 
> >> 
> >> Sent from my iPhone 
> >> 
> >>> On 11 Jan 2016, at 00:18, Richard Turner <richard...@outlook.com> wrote: 
> >>> 
> >>> I compared AIPoly with Camfind, both with color and objects. 
> >>> Here are my results for color. 
> >>> Navy blue sweat pants: AIPoly had va

Re: AIPoly VS CamFind

2016-01-16 Thread Monica Jones 
For the benefit of someone who has never seen, what is the difference between 
flash and torch and what does torch do? Thanks bunches.


From: Ioana Gandrabur 
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 4:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: AIPoly VS CamFind

Hi, 

I tried both the apps and find cam find is more precise but video is so 
convenient. Btw, it is possible to turn the flash off for marginally better 
colour results in settings. Turn torch off there. 

Hth, 

Ioana




Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 12, 2016, at 10:59 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:


  Hi Richard,

   

  I just Googled “Aipoly Vision” and found their website at www.aipoly.com. 
Interestingly enough there seems to be no “Contact Us”, a link to submit a 
feedback/support form or an email for support. However, when I clicked on the 
“Press” link, I found an email address for press and interview inquiries. It is 
t...@aipoly.com. Maybe supp...@aipoly.com would work, but I agree that while 
it’s nice to see that they are trying to get main stream media coverage, they 
should be working closely with the people which the app is intended for. I 
guess let’s see if Aipoly is still around in a year or two and how many updates 
and improvements it has received.

   

   

  Regards,

  Sieghard

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
  Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 6:32 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: AIPoly VS CamFind

   

  Would you share the email address you have for the AIPoly team?

  Also, the problem with submitting reviews is an Apple issue, which I have 
reported a couple times to the accessibility team at Apple. I'd suggest 
everyone else having issues submitting reviews do the same. 
accessibil...@apple.com

   

   

  Richard

   


  On Jan 12, 2016, at 6:26 AM, Keith B. <kb5...@gmail.com> wrote:

I have just a couple of thoughts about Aipoly. I really believe they are on 
to something, so I will continue to try to work with them. Most of us can't 
remember how terrible OCR was in its beginning days - how even with the best of 
programs we were lucky to get 85% recognition. And look where OCR for the blind 
is now because we saw the potential, worked with manufacturers, and refused to 
give up a dream. That is my personal thinking about Aipoly.

Now for my frustration. I tried to submit a review on my iPhone 6. I could 
rate the program and title the review, but when I got to the writing section of 
the review, it completely kicked me out. I tried this on multiple occasions. I 
emailed the Aipoly Team but have yet to hear back, and this was the first day 
it came out.

If Aipoly truly wants to develop the potential of this app, there has to be 
an acceptable way for us to give feedback. I don't do reviews in iTunes 
generally, and, when I tried, I got nowhere. So, if anyone from Aipoly is 
monitoring this list, some of us believe in you, but you have to find a 
convenient way for us to communicate with you. We really are the key to your 
success.

On Tuesday, January 12, 2016 at 4:33:55 AM UTC-6, sandy wrote:

  Richard, 
  No I haven't discovered how to give feedback other than with the "pen" or 
was it pencil? I shall try playing with that feature. 
  Good luck, Sandy 

  Sent from my iPhone 

  > On 11 Jan 2016, at 16:17, Richard Turner <richard...@outlook.com> 
wrote: 
  > 
  > 
  > Did you find a way to submit feedback? 
  > I didn't. 
  > Of course, I did not spend a lot of time trying. 
  > Thanks, 
  > Richard 
  > 
  > 
  >> On Jan 11, 2016, at 1:55 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
<vip...@googlegroups.com> wrote: 
  >> 
  >> hi Richard, 
  >> After my less than stellar experience with a aiPoly vision, together 
with my usual success with CamFind, I got my partner to try out a aiPoly for 
me, lest it was user error on my part, and we discovered that, for him, while 
it works, it is incredibly inaccurate. however, I will not delete it because I 
am sure that real-time video object identification is the way to go. I think, 
with time, this will improve and our findings and addings to the library is one 
way for it to do so. for me, the time lag is crucial! probably, we should all 
submit our experiences and findings with the app in the hopes that they will 
improve it. 
  >> 
  >> thoughts, Sandy 
  >> 
  >> Sent from my iPhone 
  >> 
  >>> On 11 Jan 2016, at 00:18, Richard Turner <richard...@outlook.com> 
wrote: 
  >>> 
  >>> I compared AIPoly with Camfind, both with color and objects. 
  >>> Here are my results for color. 
  >>> Navy blue sweat pants: AIPoly had various shades of gray, CamFind 
said black (which is mu

Re: AIPoly VS CamFind

2016-01-13 Thread 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
hi,
For those who wish to contact me I Polyvision, I think I joined a sort of beta 
mailing list. anyway, the address for this list seems to be, 
alrialbe...@gmail.com  hope it works as I haven't heard anything back from them 
yet.

Sandy

Sent from my iPhone

> On 12 Jan 2016, at 15:59, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
> 
> Hi Richard,
>  
> I just Googled “Aipoly Vision” and found their website at www.aipoly.com. 
> Interestingly enough there seems to be no “Contact Us”, a link to submit a 
> feedback/support form or an email for support. However, when I clicked on the 
> “Press” link, I found an email address for press and interview inquiries. It 
> is t...@aipoly.com. Maybe supp...@aipoly.com would work, but I agree that 
> while it’s nice to see that they are trying to get main stream media 
> coverage, they should be working closely with the people which the app is 
> intended for. I guess let’s see if Aipoly is still around in a year or two 
> and how many updates and improvements it has received.
>  
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 6:32 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: AIPoly VS CamFind
>  
> Would you share the email address you have for the AIPoly team?
> Also, the problem with submitting reviews is an Apple issue, which I have 
> reported a couple times to the accessibility team at Apple. I'd suggest 
> everyone else having issues submitting reviews do the same. 
> accessibil...@apple.com
>  
>  
> Richard
>  
> 
> On Jan 12, 2016, at 6:26 AM, Keith B. <kb5...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I have just a couple of thoughts about Aipoly. I really believe they are on 
> to something, so I will continue to try to work with them. Most of us can't 
> remember how terrible OCR was in its beginning days - how even with the best 
> of programs we were lucky to get 85% recognition. And look where OCR for the 
> blind is now because we saw the potential, worked with manufacturers, and 
> refused to give up a dream. That is my personal thinking about Aipoly.
> 
> Now for my frustration. I tried to submit a review on my iPhone 6. I could 
> rate the program and title the review, but when I got to the writing section 
> of the review, it completely kicked me out. I tried this on multiple 
> occasions. I emailed the Aipoly Team but have yet to hear back, and this was 
> the first day it came out.
> 
> If Aipoly truly wants to develop the potential of this app, there has to be 
> an acceptable way for us to give feedback. I don't do reviews in iTunes 
> generally, and, when I tried, I got nowhere. So, if anyone from Aipoly is 
> monitoring this list, some of us believe in you, but you have to find a 
> convenient way for us to communicate with you. We really are the key to your 
> success.
> 
> On Tuesday, January 12, 2016 at 4:33:55 AM UTC-6, sandy wrote:
> Richard, 
> No I haven't discovered how to give feedback other than with the "pen" or was 
> it pencil? I shall try playing with that feature. 
> Good luck, Sandy 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 
> 
> > On 11 Jan 2016, at 16:17, Richard Turner <richard...@outlook.com> wrote: 
> > 
> > 
> > Did you find a way to submit feedback? 
> > I didn't. 
> > Of course, I did not spend a lot of time trying. 
> > Thanks, 
> > Richard 
> > 
> > 
> >> On Jan 11, 2016, at 1:55 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
> >> <vip...@googlegroups.com> wrote: 
> >> 
> >> hi Richard, 
> >> After my less than stellar experience with a aiPoly vision, together with 
> >> my usual success with CamFind, I got my partner to try out a aiPoly for 
> >> me, lest it was user error on my part, and we discovered that, for him, 
> >> while it works, it is incredibly inaccurate. however, I will not delete it 
> >> because I am sure that real-time video object identification is the way to 
> >> go. I think, with time, this will improve and our findings and addings to 
> >> the library is one way for it to do so. for me, the time lag is crucial! 
> >> probably, we should all submit our experiences and findings with the app 
> >> in the hopes that they will improve it. 
> >> 
> >> thoughts, Sandy 
> >> 
> >> Sent from my iPhone 
> >> 
> >>> On 11 Jan 2016, at 00:18, Richard Turner <richard...@outlook.com> wrote: 
> >>> 
> >>> I compared AIPoly with Camfind, both with color and objects. 
> >>> Here are my results for color. 
> >>> Navy blue sweat pants

Re: AIPoly VS CamFind

2016-01-12 Thread Richard Turner 
Would you share the email address you have for the AIPoly team?
Also, the problem with submitting reviews is an Apple issue, which I have 
reported a couple times to the accessibility team at Apple. I'd suggest 
everyone else having issues submitting reviews do the same. 
accessibil...@apple.com


Richard


> On Jan 12, 2016, at 6:26 AM, Keith B.  wrote:
> 
> I have just a couple of thoughts about Aipoly. I really believe they are on 
> to something, so I will continue to try to work with them. Most of us can't 
> remember how terrible OCR was in its beginning days - how even with the best 
> of programs we were lucky to get 85% recognition. And look where OCR for the 
> blind is now because we saw the potential, worked with manufacturers, and 
> refused to give up a dream. That is my personal thinking about Aipoly.
> 
> Now for my frustration. I tried to submit a review on my iPhone 6. I could 
> rate the program and title the review, but when I got to the writing section 
> of the review, it completely kicked me out. I tried this on multiple 
> occasions. I emailed the Aipoly Team but have yet to hear back, and this was 
> the first day it came out.
> 
> If Aipoly truly wants to develop the potential of this app, there has to be 
> an acceptable way for us to give feedback. I don't do reviews in iTunes 
> generally, and, when I tried, I got nowhere. So, if anyone from Aipoly is 
> monitoring this list, some of us believe in you, but you have to find a 
> convenient way for us to communicate with you. We really are the key to your 
> success.
> 
>> On Tuesday, January 12, 2016 at 4:33:55 AM UTC-6, sandy wrote:
>> Richard, 
>> No I haven't discovered how to give feedback other than with the "pen" or 
>> was it pencil? I shall try playing with that feature. 
>> Good luck, Sandy 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 
>> 
>> > On 11 Jan 2016, at 16:17, Richard Turner  wrote: 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > Did you find a way to submit feedback? 
>> > I didn't. 
>> > Of course, I did not spend a lot of time trying. 
>> > Thanks, 
>> > Richard 
>> > 
>> > 
>> >> On Jan 11, 2016, at 1:55 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
>> >>  wrote: 
>> >> 
>> >> hi Richard, 
>> >> After my less than stellar experience with a aiPoly vision, together with 
>> >> my usual success with CamFind, I got my partner to try out a aiPoly for 
>> >> me, lest it was user error on my part, and we discovered that, for him, 
>> >> while it works, it is incredibly inaccurate. however, I will not delete 
>> >> it because I am sure that real-time video object identification is the 
>> >> way to go. I think, with time, this will improve and our findings and 
>> >> addings to the library is one way for it to do so. for me, the time lag 
>> >> is crucial! probably, we should all submit our experiences and findings 
>> >> with the app in the hopes that they will improve it. 
>> >> 
>> >> thoughts, Sandy 
>> >> 
>> >> Sent from my iPhone 
>> >> 
>> >>> On 11 Jan 2016, at 00:18, Richard Turner  wrote: 
>> >>> 
>> >>> I compared AIPoly with Camfind, both with color and objects. 
>> >>> Here are my results for color. 
>> >>> Navy blue sweat pants: AIPoly had various shades of gray, CamFind said 
>> >>> black (which is much closer.) 
>> >>> Oak end table: aIPoly said various shades of gray, CamFind said brown. 
>> >>> 
>> >>> Medium blue recliner: AIPoly said gray, Camfind said blue. 
>> >>> 
>> >>> My wife, who is sighted, said the bright light with AIPoly made 
>> >>> everything look gray. It is too bad they don't give you the option to 
>> >>> not use the flash. 
>> >>> With objects, CamFind even identified the oak end table as a wood table 
>> >>> from just a small corner, while AIPoly said it wasn't sure. 
>> >>> Camfind also identified the sweat pants and recliner correctly. 
>> >>> I have now deleted AIPoly. 
>> >>> Richard 
>> >>> 
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Re: AIPoly VS CamFind

2016-01-12 Thread Keith B. 
I have just a couple of thoughts about Aipoly. I really believe they are on 
to something, so I will continue to try to work with them. Most of us can't 
remember how terrible OCR was in its beginning days - how even with the 
best of programs we were lucky to get 85% recognition. And look where OCR 
for the blind is now because we saw the potential, worked with 
manufacturers, and refused to give up a dream. That is my personal thinking 
about Aipoly.

Now for my frustration. I tried to submit a review on my iPhone 6. I could 
rate the program and title the review, but when I got to the writing 
section of the review, it completely kicked me out. I tried this on 
multiple occasions. I emailed the Aipoly Team but have yet to hear back, 
and this was the first day it came out.

If Aipoly truly wants to develop the potential of this app, there has to be 
an acceptable way for us to give feedback. I don't do reviews in iTunes 
generally, and, when I tried, I got nowhere. So, if anyone from Aipoly is 
monitoring this list, some of us believe in you, but you have to find a 
convenient way for us to communicate with you. We really are the key to 
your success.

On Tuesday, January 12, 2016 at 4:33:55 AM UTC-6, sandy wrote:
>
> Richard, 
> No I haven't discovered how to give feedback other than with the "pen" or 
> was it pencil? I shall try playing with that feature. 
> Good luck, Sandy 
>
> Sent from my iPhone 
>
> > On 11 Jan 2016, at 16:17, Richard Turner  > wrote: 
> > 
> > 
> > Did you find a way to submit feedback? 
> > I didn't. 
> > Of course, I did not spend a lot of time trying. 
> > Thanks, 
> > Richard 
> > 
> > 
> >> On Jan 11, 2016, at 1:55 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone <
> vip...@googlegroups.com > wrote: 
> >> 
> >> hi Richard, 
> >> After my less than stellar experience with a aiPoly vision, together 
> with my usual success with CamFind, I got my partner to try out a aiPoly 
> for me, lest it was user error on my part, and we discovered that, for him, 
> while it works, it is incredibly inaccurate. however, I will not delete it 
> because I am sure that real-time video object identification is the way to 
> go. I think, with time, this will improve and our findings and addings to 
> the library is one way for it to do so. for me, the time lag is crucial! 
> probably, we should all submit our experiences and findings with the app in 
> the hopes that they will improve it. 
> >> 
> >> thoughts, Sandy 
> >> 
> >> Sent from my iPhone 
> >> 
> >>> On 11 Jan 2016, at 00:18, Richard Turner  > wrote: 
> >>> 
> >>> I compared AIPoly with Camfind, both with color and objects. 
> >>> Here are my results for color. 
> >>> Navy blue sweat pants: AIPoly had various shades of gray, CamFind said 
> black (which is much closer.) 
> >>> Oak end table: aIPoly said various shades of gray, CamFind said brown. 
> >>> 
> >>> Medium blue recliner: AIPoly said gray, Camfind said blue. 
> >>> 
> >>> My wife, who is sighted, said the bright light with AIPoly made 
> everything look gray. It is too bad they don't give you the option to not 
> use the flash. 
> >>> With objects, CamFind even identified the oak end table as a wood 
> table from just a small corner, while AIPoly said it wasn't sure. 
> >>> Camfind also identified the sweat pants and recliner correctly. 
> >>> I have now deleted AIPoly. 
> >>> Richard 
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Re: AIPoly VS CamFind

2016-01-12 Thread 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
Richard,
No I haven't discovered how to give feedback other than with the "pen" or was 
it pencil? I shall try playing with that feature.
Good luck, Sandy

Sent from my iPhone

> On 11 Jan 2016, at 16:17, Richard Turner  wrote:
> 
> 
> Did you find a way to submit feedback?
> I didn't.
> Of course, I did not spend a lot of time trying.
> Thanks,
> Richard
> 
> 
>> On Jan 11, 2016, at 1:55 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> hi Richard,
>> After my less than stellar experience with a aiPoly vision, together with my 
>> usual success with CamFind, I got my partner to try out a aiPoly for me, 
>> lest it was user error on my part, and we discovered that, for him, while it 
>> works, it is incredibly inaccurate. however, I will not delete it because I 
>> am sure that real-time video object identification is the way to go. I 
>> think, with time, this will improve and our findings and addings to the 
>> library is one way for it to do so. for me, the time lag is crucial! 
>> probably, we should all submit our experiences and findings with the app in 
>> the hopes that they will improve it.
>> 
>> thoughts, Sandy
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 11 Jan 2016, at 00:18, Richard Turner  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I compared AIPoly with Camfind, both with color and objects. 
>>> Here are my results for color.
>>> Navy blue sweat pants: AIPoly had various shades of gray, CamFind said 
>>> black (which is much closer.)
>>> Oak end table: aIPoly said various shades of gray, CamFind said brown.
>>> 
>>> Medium blue recliner: AIPoly said gray, Camfind said blue.
>>> 
>>> My wife, who is sighted, said the bright light with AIPoly made everything 
>>> look gray. It is too bad they don't give you the option to not use the 
>>> flash.
>>> With objects, CamFind even identified the oak end table as a wood table 
>>> from just a small corner, while AIPoly said it wasn't sure.
>>> Camfind also identified the sweat pants and recliner correctly.
>>> I have now deleted AIPoly.
>>> Richard
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RE: AIPoly VS CamFind

2016-01-12 Thread Sieghard Weitzel 
Hi Richard,

 

I just Googled “Aipoly Vision” and found their website at www.aipoly.com 
<http://www.aipoly.com> . Interestingly enough there seems to be no “Contact 
Us”, a link to submit a feedback/support form or an email for support. However, 
when I clicked on the “Press” link, I found an email address for press and 
interview inquiries. It is t...@aipoly.com <mailto:t...@aipoly.com> . Maybe 
supp...@aipoly.com <mailto:supp...@aipoly.com>  would work, but I agree that 
while it’s nice to see that they are trying to get main stream media coverage, 
they should be working closely with the people which the app is intended for. I 
guess let’s see if Aipoly is still around in a year or two and how many updates 
and improvements it has received.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 6:32 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: AIPoly VS CamFind

 

Would you share the email address you have for the AIPoly team?

Also, the problem with submitting reviews is an Apple issue, which I have 
reported a couple times to the accessibility team at Apple. I'd suggest 
everyone else having issues submitting reviews do the same. 
accessibil...@apple.com <mailto:accessibil...@apple.com> 

 

 

Richard

 


On Jan 12, 2016, at 6:26 AM, Keith B. <kb5...@gmail.com 
<mailto:kb5...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I have just a couple of thoughts about Aipoly. I really believe they are on to 
something, so I will continue to try to work with them. Most of us can't 
remember how terrible OCR was in its beginning days - how even with the best of 
programs we were lucky to get 85% recognition. And look where OCR for the blind 
is now because we saw the potential, worked with manufacturers, and refused to 
give up a dream. That is my personal thinking about Aipoly.

Now for my frustration. I tried to submit a review on my iPhone 6. I could rate 
the program and title the review, but when I got to the writing section of the 
review, it completely kicked me out. I tried this on multiple occasions. I 
emailed the Aipoly Team but have yet to hear back, and this was the first day 
it came out.

If Aipoly truly wants to develop the potential of this app, there has to be an 
acceptable way for us to give feedback. I don't do reviews in iTunes generally, 
and, when I tried, I got nowhere. So, if anyone from Aipoly is monitoring this 
list, some of us believe in you, but you have to find a convenient way for us 
to communicate with you. We really are the key to your success.

On Tuesday, January 12, 2016 at 4:33:55 AM UTC-6, sandy wrote:

Richard, 
No I haven't discovered how to give feedback other than with the "pen" or was 
it pencil? I shall try playing with that feature. 
Good luck, Sandy 

Sent from my iPhone 

> On 11 Jan 2016, at 16:17, Richard Turner <richard...@outlook.com 
>  > wrote: 
> 
> 
> Did you find a way to submit feedback? 
> I didn't. 
> Of course, I did not spend a lot of time trying. 
> Thanks, 
> Richard 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 11, 2016, at 1:55 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
>> <vip...@googlegroups.com  > wrote: 
>> 
>> hi Richard, 
>> After my less than stellar experience with a aiPoly vision, together with my 
>> usual success with CamFind, I got my partner to try out a aiPoly for me, 
>> lest it was user error on my part, and we discovered that, for him, while it 
>> works, it is incredibly inaccurate. however, I will not delete it because I 
>> am sure that real-time video object identification is the way to go. I 
>> think, with time, this will improve and our findings and addings to the 
>> library is one way for it to do so. for me, the time lag is crucial! 
>> probably, we should all submit our experiences and findings with the app in 
>> the hopes that they will improve it. 
>> 
>> thoughts, Sandy 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 
>> 
>>> On 11 Jan 2016, at 00:18, Richard Turner <richard...@outlook.com 
>>>  > wrote: 
>>> 
>>> I compared AIPoly with Camfind, both with color and objects. 
>>> Here are my results for color. 
>>> Navy blue sweat pants: AIPoly had various shades of gray, CamFind said 
>>> black (which is much closer.) 
>>> Oak end table: aIPoly said various shades of gray, CamFind said brown. 
>>> 
>>> Medium blue recliner: AIPoly said gray, Camfind said blue. 
>>> 
>>> My wife, who is sighted, said the bright light with AIPoly made everything 
>>> look gray. It is too bad they don't give you the option to not use the 
>>> flash. 
>>> With objects, CamFind even identified the oak end table as a wood table 
>>> from just a small corner

Re: AIPoly VS CamFind

2016-01-12 Thread Keith Bundy 
Hi, Richard. The address Sieghard gave is the one I have - t...@aipoly.com.
I have yet to receive a response.

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:31 AM, Richard Turner  wrote:

> Would you share the email address you have for the AIPoly team?
> Also, the problem with submitting reviews is an Apple issue, which I have
> reported a couple times to the accessibility team at Apple. I'd suggest
> everyone else having issues submitting reviews do the same.
> accessibil...@apple.com
>
>
> Richard
>
>
> On Jan 12, 2016, at 6:26 AM, Keith B.  wrote:
>
> I have just a couple of thoughts about Aipoly. I really believe they are
> on to something, so I will continue to try to work with them. Most of us
> can't remember how terrible OCR was in its beginning days - how even with
> the best of programs we were lucky to get 85% recognition. And look where
> OCR for the blind is now because we saw the potential, worked with
> manufacturers, and refused to give up a dream. That is my personal thinking
> about Aipoly.
>
> Now for my frustration. I tried to submit a review on my iPhone 6. I could
> rate the program and title the review, but when I got to the writing
> section of the review, it completely kicked me out. I tried this on
> multiple occasions. I emailed the Aipoly Team but have yet to hear back,
> and this was the first day it came out.
>
> If Aipoly truly wants to develop the potential of this app, there has to
> be an acceptable way for us to give feedback. I don't do reviews in iTunes
> generally, and, when I tried, I got nowhere. So, if anyone from Aipoly is
> monitoring this list, some of us believe in you, but you have to find a
> convenient way for us to communicate with you. We really are the key to
> your success.
>
> On Tuesday, January 12, 2016 at 4:33:55 AM UTC-6, sandy wrote:
>>
>> Richard,
>> No I haven't discovered how to give feedback other than with the "pen" or
>> was it pencil? I shall try playing with that feature.
>> Good luck, Sandy
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On 11 Jan 2016, at 16:17, Richard Turner 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Did you find a way to submit feedback?
>> > I didn't.
>> > Of course, I did not spend a lot of time trying.
>> > Thanks,
>> > Richard
>> >
>> >
>> >> On Jan 11, 2016, at 1:55 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone <
>> vip...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> hi Richard,
>> >> After my less than stellar experience with a aiPoly vision, together
>> with my usual success with CamFind, I got my partner to try out a aiPoly
>> for me, lest it was user error on my part, and we discovered that, for him,
>> while it works, it is incredibly inaccurate. however, I will not delete it
>> because I am sure that real-time video object identification is the way to
>> go. I think, with time, this will improve and our findings and addings to
>> the library is one way for it to do so. for me, the time lag is crucial!
>> probably, we should all submit our experiences and findings with the app in
>> the hopes that they will improve it.
>> >>
>> >> thoughts, Sandy
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>
>> >>> On 11 Jan 2016, at 00:18, Richard Turner 
>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> I compared AIPoly with Camfind, both with color and objects.
>> >>> Here are my results for color.
>> >>> Navy blue sweat pants: AIPoly had various shades of gray, CamFind
>> said black (which is much closer.)
>> >>> Oak end table: aIPoly said various shades of gray, CamFind said
>> brown.
>> >>>
>> >>> Medium blue recliner: AIPoly said gray, Camfind said blue.
>> >>>
>> >>> My wife, who is sighted, said the bright light with AIPoly made
>> everything look gray. It is too bad they don't give you the option to not
>> use the flash.
>> >>> With objects, CamFind even identified the oak end table as a wood
>> table from just a small corner, while AIPoly said it wasn't sure.
>> >>> Camfind also identified the sweat pants and recliner correctly.
>> >>> I have now deleted AIPoly.
>> >>> Richard
>> >>>
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Re: AIPoly VS CamFind

2016-01-11 Thread 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
hi Richard,
After my less than stellar experience with a aiPoly vision, together with my 
usual success with CamFind, I got my partner to try out a aiPoly for me, lest 
it was user error on my part, and we discovered that, for him, while it works, 
it is incredibly inaccurate. however, I will not delete it because I am sure 
that real-time video object identification is the way to go. I think, with 
time, this will improve and our findings and addings to the library is one way 
for it to do so. for me, the time lag is crucial! probably, we should all 
submit our experiences and findings with the app in the hopes that they will 
improve it.

thoughts, Sandy

Sent from my iPhone

> On 11 Jan 2016, at 00:18, Richard Turner  wrote:
> 
> I compared AIPoly with Camfind, both with color and objects. 
> Here are my results for color.
> Navy blue sweat pants: AIPoly had various shades of gray, CamFind said black 
> (which is much closer.)
> Oak end table: aIPoly said various shades of gray, CamFind said brown.
> 
> Medium blue recliner: AIPoly said gray, Camfind said blue.
> 
> My wife, who is sighted, said the bright light with AIPoly made everything 
> look gray. It is too bad they don't give you the option to not use the flash.
> With objects, CamFind even identified the oak end table as a wood table from 
> just a small corner, while AIPoly said it wasn't sure.
> Camfind also identified the sweat pants and recliner correctly.
> I have now deleted AIPoly.
> Richard
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Re: AIPoly VS CamFind

2016-01-11 Thread Richard Turner 

Did you find a way to submit feedback?
I didn't.
Of course, I did not spend a lot of time trying.
Thanks,
Richard


> On Jan 11, 2016, at 1:55 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> hi Richard,
> After my less than stellar experience with a aiPoly vision, together with my 
> usual success with CamFind, I got my partner to try out a aiPoly for me, lest 
> it was user error on my part, and we discovered that, for him, while it 
> works, it is incredibly inaccurate. however, I will not delete it because I 
> am sure that real-time video object identification is the way to go. I think, 
> with time, this will improve and our findings and addings to the library is 
> one way for it to do so. for me, the time lag is crucial! probably, we should 
> all submit our experiences and findings with the app in the hopes that they 
> will improve it.
> 
> thoughts, Sandy
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 11 Jan 2016, at 00:18, Richard Turner  wrote:
>> 
>> I compared AIPoly with Camfind, both with color and objects. 
>> Here are my results for color.
>> Navy blue sweat pants: AIPoly had various shades of gray, CamFind said black 
>> (which is much closer.)
>> Oak end table: aIPoly said various shades of gray, CamFind said brown.
>> 
>> Medium blue recliner: AIPoly said gray, Camfind said blue.
>> 
>> My wife, who is sighted, said the bright light with AIPoly made everything 
>> look gray. It is too bad they don't give you the option to not use the flash.
>> With objects, CamFind even identified the oak end table as a wood table from 
>> just a small corner, while AIPoly said it wasn't sure.
>> Camfind also identified the sweat pants and recliner correctly.
>> I have now deleted AIPoly.
>> Richard
>> 
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