Re: Is it still possible to create ringtones in iTunes?
Hello Everyone, I just wanted to let all of you know, that you definitely can still create ring tones just from using iTunes, and iTunes alone. Sieghart, Sent some steps I think not only to the list but also to me directly, and the one thing that I just found out Is that when following the steps, you have to make sure that the hide Extensions for known file types check box is unchecked, turn that off, and then when you rename your file, you will get the question are you sure you want to rename the file to an M4 ar, Go ahead and change that file to an M4 are and then press enter, and the song should start playing which then will import it into iTunes. I also emailedSieghart off list and told him, but I want to tell this on the list as well, I was not doubting what he was saying, or that it couldn't be done. I was just having some difficulty on my end doing it. The steps that I got, initially from Applevis.com. Were very precise steps, but nothing about turning off the hide extensions for known file types was mentioned, so I did not know that you had to do this untilSieghart Said something. It's great to have him as well as many others on this list, to share their knowledge with us on different matters such as this. So again, you can still make ring tones strictly through using iTunes. Shane. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 16, 2013, at 9:08 PM, Eileens Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, In iTunes, press control-comma to open the preferences interface. The first tab is the thgeneral which one can tab through all of the options to check or uncheck. These are the folders that one can have in iTunes list. Now, when one creates a ring tone, the folder will be one for tones. HTH. Eileen Sent from my iPhone On Jun 16, 2013, at 5:23 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi, Can you tell me exactly where you are looking for the folder? -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of r...@q.com Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 4:45 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Is it still possible to create ringtones in iTunes? I don't have a tones or ring tones folder. I tried creating one and putting the new ringtone in it but itunes didn't recognize it. Can you give a pointer as to what to do? -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kimberly Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 4:43 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Is it still possible to create ringtones in iTunes? Thanks Sieghard, these are essentially the instructions I shared. I couldn't imagine losing the capability to create ringtones this way. I'm glad it's still possible. Sent from Kimber's iPhone On Jun 16, 2013, at 2:14 PM, SiegharWeitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Kimber and Shane, There is absolutely no change as far as creating ringtones in iTunes. I am using the latest version of iTunes and just tried it and it took me all of 2 minutes to create a ringtone, copy it into my Tones folder and sync it to my phone. In any case, I am not sure why this has to do with Apple Accessibility since it's a standard iTunes feature. Below is a listing of the basic steps and I follow this with a more detailed set of instructions I posted on the list a few times before: 1. Find the song you want 2. Press Control+I for Get Information, arrow to the options tab, tab to start and end time and set end time to no more than 40 seconds. 3. Right click on your song and select Create AAC Version 4. Right click on the newly created 40 second version of the song and select Show in Windows Explorer 5. Cut the song with Control+X, then go to your Tones or Ringtones folder in iTunes Media which in turn in in i/tunes which in turn should be in your Music or My Music folder. 6. Paste the song with Control+V 7. Go to the Tools menu of your Windows Explorer window, go to Folder Options and the View tab, make sure Hide extensions for known file types is Off. 8. Rename the .M4A extension to M4R. 9. Press enter on the newly renamed file to play it in iTunes, this automatically adds it to your Tones library. 10. Connect your phone, make sure Sync All Tones is selected or if you sync selected tones, make sure your new ringtone is checked, then sync your phone. That's it. Below are the more detailed instructions. This is for Windows, not sure what would be different if you use one of the inferior Mac computers *smile*. Creating Ringtones from songs using iTune for Windows: 1. Find the song you want to make into a ringtone in your Music tab in iTunes. 2. Right click and select Get Info. Go to the Options tab, tab down to Start Time and check it by pressing the space bar. Tab again and specify the Start Time. usually you start at the beginning of the song, i.e. 0:00, but if the song starts very slow you may
RE: Is it still possible to create ringtones in iTunes?
It is a folder in the itunes media folder. The file has an m4r extention. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 7:24 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Is it still possible to create ringtones in iTunes? Hi, Can you tell me exactly where you are looking for the folder? -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of r...@q.com Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 4:45 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Is it still possible to create ringtones in iTunes? I don't have a tones or ring tones folder. I tried creating one and putting the new ringtone in it but itunes didn't recognize it. Can you give a pointer as to what to do? -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kimberly Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 4:43 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Is it still possible to create ringtones in iTunes? Thanks Sieghard, these are essentially the instructions I shared. I couldn't imagine losing the capability to create ringtones this way. I'm glad it's still possible. Sent from Kimber's iPhone On Jun 16, 2013, at 2:14 PM, SiegharWeitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Kimber and Shane, There is absolutely no change as far as creating ringtones in iTunes. I am using the latest version of iTunes and just tried it and it took me all of 2 minutes to create a ringtone, copy it into my Tones folder and sync it to my phone. In any case, I am not sure why this has to do with Apple Accessibility since it's a standard iTunes feature. Below is a listing of the basic steps and I follow this with a more detailed set of instructions I posted on the list a few times before: 1. Find the song you want 2. Press Control+I for Get Information, arrow to the options tab, tab to start and end time and set end time to no more than 40 seconds. 3. Right click on your song and select Create AAC Version 4. Right click on the newly created 40 second version of the song and select Show in Windows Explorer 5. Cut the song with Control+X, then go to your Tones or Ringtones folder in iTunes Media which in turn in in i/tunes which in turn should be in your Music or My Music folder. 6. Paste the song with Control+V 7. Go to the Tools menu of your Windows Explorer window, go to Folder Options and the View tab, make sure Hide extensions for known file types is Off. 8. Rename the .M4A extension to M4R. 9. Press enter on the newly renamed file to play it in iTunes, this automatically adds it to your Tones library. 10. Connect your phone, make sure Sync All Tones is selected or if you sync selected tones, make sure your new ringtone is checked, then sync your phone. That's it. Below are the more detailed instructions. This is for Windows, not sure what would be different if you use one of the inferior Mac computers *smile*. Creating Ringtones from songs using iTune for Windows: 1. Find the song you want to make into a ringtone in your Music tab in iTunes. 2. Right click and select Get Info. Go to the Options tab, tab down to Start Time and check it by pressing the space bar. Tab again and specify the Start Time. usually you start at the beginning of the song, i.e. 0:00, but if the song starts very slow you may want to find a good spot a few seconds from the beginning where you start the ringtone. tab one more time to go to Stop Time, check it also and tab to the edit field, specify the Stop Time. This will ensure that iTunes will play the song starting from the specified Start Time to the Stop Time. Make sure that the stop time doesn't exceed the start time by more than 40 seconds which is the maximum length of a ringtone. Click OK. Press enter to play the song, it will only play the part of the song you selected and you can see if it sounds good where it starts and stops. If it stops in the middle of a note or word you can make it a few seconds shorter to find a better place. I usually set the stop time to 39 or 40 seconds and then make it shorter to make it sound good. The start time is displayed as 0:00 where the first 0 means 0 minutes, then a : and then the 00 after that is for the seconds. The stop time by default has the ending time of the song, for example 3:23.46 where the first 3 is the number of minutes, then the :, then the next 2 digits are the seconds and then a . and the last number or numbers is I guess maybe in one tenth of a second or even one hundreds, not quite sure, but it's a very small increment. Note: Instead of right clicking on the song you can also use the Windows Application Key (some call it the Context menu Key, it's on the right side of the space bar next to the Control key). Even easier is to use the keyboard shortcut Control+I and this should work in
RE: Is it still possible to create ringtones in iTunes?
I haven't done a new iTunes install in a while, but I thought the Tones or Ringtones folder was there by default. Anyhow, it really shouldn't matter, if you create that folder and put a ringtone or a few ringtones in it, then go to iTunes and go to File and Add Folder to Library this should work no problem. You could also try to put your ringtones into the Automatically Add to iTunes folder, then open iTunes and see if that creates a Tones or Ringtones folder and moves your ringtones into it. Please write to me off-list at siegh...@live.ca if you still can't get this to work and I'll walk you through it on the phone or via Skype since this really should work and once you get the hang of it it's not hard. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of r...@q.com Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 10:18 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Is it still possible to create ringtones in iTunes? It is a folder in the itunes media folder. The file has an m4r extention. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 7:24 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Is it still possible to create ringtones in iTunes? Hi, Can you tell me exactly where you are looking for the folder? -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of r...@q.com Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 4:45 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Is it still possible to create ringtones in iTunes? I don't have a tones or ring tones folder. I tried creating one and putting the new ringtone in it but itunes didn't recognize it. Can you give a pointer as to what to do? -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kimberly Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 4:43 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Is it still possible to create ringtones in iTunes? Thanks Sieghard, these are essentially the instructions I shared. I couldn't imagine losing the capability to create ringtones this way. I'm glad it's still possible. Sent from Kimber's iPhone On Jun 16, 2013, at 2:14 PM, SiegharWeitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Kimber and Shane, There is absolutely no change as far as creating ringtones in iTunes. I am using the latest version of iTunes and just tried it and it took me all of 2 minutes to create a ringtone, copy it into my Tones folder and sync it to my phone. In any case, I am not sure why this has to do with Apple Accessibility since it's a standard iTunes feature. Below is a listing of the basic steps and I follow this with a more detailed set of instructions I posted on the list a few times before: 1. Find the song you want 2. Press Control+I for Get Information, arrow to the options tab, tab to start and end time and set end time to no more than 40 seconds. 3. Right click on your song and select Create AAC Version 4. Right click on the newly created 40 second version of the song and select Show in Windows Explorer 5. Cut the song with Control+X, then go to your Tones or Ringtones folder in iTunes Media which in turn in in i/tunes which in turn should be in your Music or My Music folder. 6. Paste the song with Control+V 7. Go to the Tools menu of your Windows Explorer window, go to Folder Options and the View tab, make sure Hide extensions for known file types is Off. 8. Rename the .M4A extension to M4R. 9. Press enter on the newly renamed file to play it in iTunes, this automatically adds it to your Tones library. 10. Connect your phone, make sure Sync All Tones is selected or if you sync selected tones, make sure your new ringtone is checked, then sync your phone. That's it. Below are the more detailed instructions. This is for Windows, not sure what would be different if you use one of the inferior Mac computers *smile*. Creating Ringtones from songs using iTune for Windows: 1. Find the song you want to make into a ringtone in your Music tab in iTunes. 2. Right click and select Get Info. Go to the Options tab, tab down to Start Time and check it by pressing the space bar. Tab again and specify the Start Time. usually you start at the beginning of the song, i.e. 0:00, but if the song starts very slow you may want to find a good spot a few seconds from the beginning where you start the ringtone. tab one more time to go to Stop Time, check it also and tab to the edit field, specify the Stop Time. This will ensure that iTunes will play the song starting from the specified Start Time to the Stop Time. Make sure that the stop time doesn't exceed the start time by more than 40 seconds which is the maximum length of a ringtone. Click OK. Press enter to play the song, it will only play the part of the song you selected and you can see if it sounds good
Re: Is it still possible to create ringtones in iTunes?
Thanks Sieghard, these are essentially the instructions I shared. I couldn't imagine losing the capability to create ringtones this way. I'm glad it's still possible. Sent from Kimber's iPhone On Jun 16, 2013, at 2:14 PM, SiegharWeitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Kimber and Shane, There is absolutely no change as far as creating ringtones in iTunes. I am using the latest version of iTunes and just tried it and it took me all of 2 minutes to create a ringtone, copy it into my Tones folder and sync it to my phone. In any case, I am not sure why this has to do with Apple Accessibility since it's a standard iTunes feature. Below is a listing of the basic steps and I follow this with a more detailed set of instructions I posted on the list a few times before: 1. Find the song you want 2. Press Control+I for Get Information, arrow to the options tab, tab to start and end time and set end time to no more than 40 seconds. 3. Right click on your song and select Create AAC Version 4. Right click on the newly created 40 second version of the song and select Show in Windows Explorer 5. Cut the song with Control+X, then go to your Tones or Ringtones folder in iTunes Media which in turn in in i/tunes which in turn should be in your Music or My Music folder. 6. Paste the song with Control+V 7. Go to the Tools menu of your Windows Explorer window, go to Folder Options and the View tab, make sure Hide extensions for known file types is Off. 8. Rename the .M4A extension to M4R. 9. Press enter on the newly renamed file to play it in iTunes, this automatically adds it to your Tones library. 10. Connect your phone, make sure Sync All Tones is selected or if you sync selected tones, make sure your new ringtone is checked, then sync your phone. That's it. Below are the more detailed instructions. This is for Windows, not sure what would be different if you use one of the inferior Mac computers *smile*. Creating Ringtones from songs using iTune for Windows: 1. Find the song you want to make into a ringtone in your Music tab in iTunes. 2. Right click and select Get Info. Go to the Options tab, tab down to Start Time and check it by pressing the space bar. Tab again and specify the Start Time. usually you start at the beginning of the song, i.e. 0:00, but if the song starts very slow you may want to find a good spot a few seconds from the beginning where you start the ringtone. tab one more time to go to Stop Time, check it also and tab to the edit field, specify the Stop Time. This will ensure that iTunes will play the song starting from the specified Start Time to the Stop Time. Make sure that the stop time doesn't exceed the start time by more than 40 seconds which is the maximum length of a ringtone. Click OK. Press enter to play the song, it will only play the part of the song you selected and you can see if it sounds good where it starts and stops. If it stops in the middle of a note or word you can make it a few seconds shorter to find a better place. I usually set the stop time to 39 or 40 seconds and then make it shorter to make it sound good. The start time is displayed as 0:00 where the first 0 means 0 minutes, then a : and then the 00 after that is for the seconds. The stop time by default has the ending time of the song, for example 3:23.46 where the first 3 is the number of minutes, then the :, then the next 2 digits are the seconds and then a . and the last number or numbers is I guess maybe in one tenth of a second or even one hundreds, not quite sure, but it's a very small increment. Note: Instead of right clicking on the song you can also use the Windows Application Key (some call it the Context menu Key, it's on the right side of the space bar next to the Control key). Even easier is to use the keyboard shortcut Control+I and this should work in Windows XP as well as Windows 7. 3. Right click, press the Context Menu Key or press Control+I when you are on the selected song and select Creat AAC Version from the context menu. Almost immediately you will hear that tri-tone iTunes makes when it's finished doing something. This will create an AAC version of the song for only the section of the song you specified. This new short song will appear right underneath the original song in your list of songs, so you just have to down arrow once to find it. Press enter to play it and to make sure it is as you want it. you can now go back to the original and, in the Options Tab, uncheck the start and stop times so that it will play normally again. Note: If you don't see a Create AAC Version option when you right click on the song, go to Edit, Preferences and in the General tab click on Import settings, the shortcut is Alt+O. Make sure that the AAC encoder settings are selected, if MP3 is selected as the encoder you have to change it to AAC. I also suggest you check this anyways and make sure you have iTunes Plus selected
RE: Is it still possible to create ringtones in iTunes?
I don't have a tones or ring tones folder. I tried creating one and putting the new ringtone in it but itunes didn't recognize it. Can you give a pointer as to what to do? -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kimberly Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 4:43 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Is it still possible to create ringtones in iTunes? Thanks Sieghard, these are essentially the instructions I shared. I couldn't imagine losing the capability to create ringtones this way. I'm glad it's still possible. Sent from Kimber's iPhone On Jun 16, 2013, at 2:14 PM, SiegharWeitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Kimber and Shane, There is absolutely no change as far as creating ringtones in iTunes. I am using the latest version of iTunes and just tried it and it took me all of 2 minutes to create a ringtone, copy it into my Tones folder and sync it to my phone. In any case, I am not sure why this has to do with Apple Accessibility since it's a standard iTunes feature. Below is a listing of the basic steps and I follow this with a more detailed set of instructions I posted on the list a few times before: 1. Find the song you want 2. Press Control+I for Get Information, arrow to the options tab, tab to start and end time and set end time to no more than 40 seconds. 3. Right click on your song and select Create AAC Version 4. Right click on the newly created 40 second version of the song and select Show in Windows Explorer 5. Cut the song with Control+X, then go to your Tones or Ringtones folder in iTunes Media which in turn in in i/tunes which in turn should be in your Music or My Music folder. 6. Paste the song with Control+V 7. Go to the Tools menu of your Windows Explorer window, go to Folder Options and the View tab, make sure Hide extensions for known file types is Off. 8. Rename the .M4A extension to M4R. 9. Press enter on the newly renamed file to play it in iTunes, this automatically adds it to your Tones library. 10. Connect your phone, make sure Sync All Tones is selected or if you sync selected tones, make sure your new ringtone is checked, then sync your phone. That's it. Below are the more detailed instructions. This is for Windows, not sure what would be different if you use one of the inferior Mac computers *smile*. Creating Ringtones from songs using iTune for Windows: 1. Find the song you want to make into a ringtone in your Music tab in iTunes. 2. Right click and select Get Info. Go to the Options tab, tab down to Start Time and check it by pressing the space bar. Tab again and specify the Start Time. usually you start at the beginning of the song, i.e. 0:00, but if the song starts very slow you may want to find a good spot a few seconds from the beginning where you start the ringtone. tab one more time to go to Stop Time, check it also and tab to the edit field, specify the Stop Time. This will ensure that iTunes will play the song starting from the specified Start Time to the Stop Time. Make sure that the stop time doesn't exceed the start time by more than 40 seconds which is the maximum length of a ringtone. Click OK. Press enter to play the song, it will only play the part of the song you selected and you can see if it sounds good where it starts and stops. If it stops in the middle of a note or word you can make it a few seconds shorter to find a better place. I usually set the stop time to 39 or 40 seconds and then make it shorter to make it sound good. The start time is displayed as 0:00 where the first 0 means 0 minutes, then a : and then the 00 after that is for the seconds. The stop time by default has the ending time of the song, for example 3:23.46 where the first 3 is the number of minutes, then the :, then the next 2 digits are the seconds and then a . and the last number or numbers is I guess maybe in one tenth of a second or even one hundreds, not quite sure, but it's a very small increment. Note: Instead of right clicking on the song you can also use the Windows Application Key (some call it the Context menu Key, it's on the right side of the space bar next to the Control key). Even easier is to use the keyboard shortcut Control+I and this should work in Windows XP as well as Windows 7. 3. Right click, press the Context Menu Key or press Control+I when you are on the selected song and select Creat AAC Version from the context menu. Almost immediately you will hear that tri-tone iTunes makes when it's finished doing something. This will create an AAC version of the song for only the section of the song you specified. This new short song will appear right underneath the original song in your list of songs, so you just have to down arrow once to find it. Press enter to play it and to make sure it is as you want it. you can now go back to the original and, in the Options Tab,
RE: Is it still possible to create ringtones in iTunes?
Hi, Can you tell me exactly where you are looking for the folder? -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of r...@q.com Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 4:45 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Is it still possible to create ringtones in iTunes? I don't have a tones or ring tones folder. I tried creating one and putting the new ringtone in it but itunes didn't recognize it. Can you give a pointer as to what to do? -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kimberly Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 4:43 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Is it still possible to create ringtones in iTunes? Thanks Sieghard, these are essentially the instructions I shared. I couldn't imagine losing the capability to create ringtones this way. I'm glad it's still possible. Sent from Kimber's iPhone On Jun 16, 2013, at 2:14 PM, SiegharWeitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Kimber and Shane, There is absolutely no change as far as creating ringtones in iTunes. I am using the latest version of iTunes and just tried it and it took me all of 2 minutes to create a ringtone, copy it into my Tones folder and sync it to my phone. In any case, I am not sure why this has to do with Apple Accessibility since it's a standard iTunes feature. Below is a listing of the basic steps and I follow this with a more detailed set of instructions I posted on the list a few times before: 1. Find the song you want 2. Press Control+I for Get Information, arrow to the options tab, tab to start and end time and set end time to no more than 40 seconds. 3. Right click on your song and select Create AAC Version 4. Right click on the newly created 40 second version of the song and select Show in Windows Explorer 5. Cut the song with Control+X, then go to your Tones or Ringtones folder in iTunes Media which in turn in in i/tunes which in turn should be in your Music or My Music folder. 6. Paste the song with Control+V 7. Go to the Tools menu of your Windows Explorer window, go to Folder Options and the View tab, make sure Hide extensions for known file types is Off. 8. Rename the .M4A extension to M4R. 9. Press enter on the newly renamed file to play it in iTunes, this automatically adds it to your Tones library. 10. Connect your phone, make sure Sync All Tones is selected or if you sync selected tones, make sure your new ringtone is checked, then sync your phone. That's it. Below are the more detailed instructions. This is for Windows, not sure what would be different if you use one of the inferior Mac computers *smile*. Creating Ringtones from songs using iTune for Windows: 1. Find the song you want to make into a ringtone in your Music tab in iTunes. 2. Right click and select Get Info. Go to the Options tab, tab down to Start Time and check it by pressing the space bar. Tab again and specify the Start Time. usually you start at the beginning of the song, i.e. 0:00, but if the song starts very slow you may want to find a good spot a few seconds from the beginning where you start the ringtone. tab one more time to go to Stop Time, check it also and tab to the edit field, specify the Stop Time. This will ensure that iTunes will play the song starting from the specified Start Time to the Stop Time. Make sure that the stop time doesn't exceed the start time by more than 40 seconds which is the maximum length of a ringtone. Click OK. Press enter to play the song, it will only play the part of the song you selected and you can see if it sounds good where it starts and stops. If it stops in the middle of a note or word you can make it a few seconds shorter to find a better place. I usually set the stop time to 39 or 40 seconds and then make it shorter to make it sound good. The start time is displayed as 0:00 where the first 0 means 0 minutes, then a : and then the 00 after that is for the seconds. The stop time by default has the ending time of the song, for example 3:23.46 where the first 3 is the number of minutes, then the :, then the next 2 digits are the seconds and then a . and the last number or numbers is I guess maybe in one tenth of a second or even one hundreds, not quite sure, but it's a very small increment. Note: Instead of right clicking on the song you can also use the Windows Application Key (some call it the Context menu Key, it's on the right side of the space bar next to the Control key). Even easier is to use the keyboard shortcut Control+I and this should work in Windows XP as well as Windows 7. 3. Right click, press the Context Menu Key or press Control+I when you are on the selected song and select Creat AAC Version from the context menu. Almost immediately you will hear that tri-tone iTunes makes when it's finished doing something. This will create an AAC version of the song