RE: My SIRI rant, was: When adding a contact, question regarding label choices

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Chip,

iOS knows if the person you are sending the message to has an iPhone with 
iMessage enabled. Believe me, the iPhone label has nothing to do with it, I use 
Outlook.com for all my contacts and when I add a new contact I don’t even have 
an iPhone label. You can compose a text message even by typing in somebody’s 
phone number without having them in your contact list and if they have an 
iPhone with iMessage enabled the message will be sent as an iMessage, you can 
send a recording if you wish or use any of the new effects.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Chip Orange
Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2016 4:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: My SIRI rant, was: When adding a contact, question regarding label 
choices

Yes, that’s my point though: if you don’t make use of the Iphone label, then 
you cannot use Imessage or Facetime to contact them, so the label is important 
(that’s my only point, it has a meaning and use different from the “mobile” 
label).

My understanding of Imessage is that if you used it to send a text message, and 
it did not know for sure the receiver was an Iphone, then it would only send a 
standard SMS message (no audio attachments, etc.); that’s what I meant about 
it’s advanced features; again, the Iphone label is important (I did once 
accidently label someone as Iphone when they were not, and when I sent them an 
Imessage I got some sort of error message when it tried to deliver it and they 
were not an Iphone).

Chip


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 12:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: My SIRI rant, was: When adding a contact, question regarding label 
choices

Hi Chip,

As far as I can see there is no such thing as “advanced” iMessage or Facetime 
features. iMessage and Facetime either work or they don’t, if you have an 
iPhone and the other person has an iPhone or iOS device with iMessage and 
Facetime enabled then both features work and can be used with all their 
functionality. It makes no difference if the number is labelled iPhone or not. 
After all, you may know if your family members or friends have iPhones, but you 
don’t know this necessarily of business contacts and so on and I don’t even 
have the iPhone label, but I can still use all aspects of iMessage and Facetime 
if I am contacting somebody who has an iPhone. Often I add somebody to my 
contacts (I never ask if they have an iPhone or not) and when I send a text 
message it tells me that it is an iMessage and then of course I have access to 
all the new effects and so on and I know that most likely I can also call this 
person with Facetime.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chip Orange
Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2016 9:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: My SIRI rant, was: When adding a contact, question regarding label 
choices

I believe there is a legit reason for having both the Iphone and mobile labels: 
this controls access to Iphone specific functionality such as advanced Imessage 
features, and FaceTime (which cannot be done with a non-Iphone).

Chip


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 7:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: My SIRI rant, was: When adding a contact, question regarding label 
choices

Hi Richard and Terri,

I actually think the labels you say depend on your email service. The "iPhone" 
label I think might be there if you use iCloud but not for contacts stored on 
Outlook.com and the same goes for the "Custom" option.

Terri, as far as labels like Home Fax or Pager are concerned, I guess that is 
the same as "iPhone". Yes, you may not be able to send a fax directly from the 
phone, but as a business owner I appreciate the fact I can store my contact's 
fax numbers as part of the information I have and label them properly. As for 
the iPhone label, it is in my opinion silly. An iPhone is a mobile phone and 
after all, you don't have an "Android", "Blackberry" or "Windows Phone" label, 
either. In any case, I may not necessarily know if some person in my contacts 
has an iPhone or not and there is no purpose to that label in terms of iMessage 
or Facetime since if somebody does have an iPhone and they have enabled these 
features then when you send a text message it automatically goes as an iMessage 
whether the number is labelled as "Mobile" or "iPhone".

One thing I don't get is the following example:

Assumptions:
You have a contact

RE: My SIRI rant, was: When adding a contact, question regarding label choices

[Chip Orange]

Yes, that’s my point though: if you don’t make use of the Iphone label, then 
you cannot use Imessage or Facetime to contact them, so the label is important 
(that’s my only point, it has a meaning and use different from the “mobile” 
label).

 

My understanding of Imessage is that if you used it to send a text message, and 
it did not know for sure the receiver was an Iphone, then it would only send a 
standard SMS message (no audio attachments, etc.); that’s what I meant about 
it’s advanced features; again, the Iphone label is important (I did once 
accidently label someone as Iphone when they were not, and when I sent them an 
Imessage I got some sort of error message when it tried to deliver it and they 
were not an Iphone).

 

Chip

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 12:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: My SIRI rant, was: When adding a contact, question regarding label 
choices

 

Hi Chip,

 

As far as I can see there is no such thing as “advanced” iMessage or Facetime 
features. iMessage and Facetime either work or they don’t, if you have an 
iPhone and the other person has an iPhone or iOS device with iMessage and 
Facetime enabled then both features work and can be used with all their 
functionality. It makes no difference if the number is labelled iPhone or not. 
After all, you may know if your family members or friends have iPhones, but you 
don’t know this necessarily of business contacts and so on and I don’t even 
have the iPhone label, but I can still use all aspects of iMessage and Facetime 
if I am contacting somebody who has an iPhone. Often I add somebody to my 
contacts (I never ask if they have an iPhone or not) and when I send a text 
message it tells me that it is an iMessage and then of course I have access to 
all the new effects and so on and I know that most likely I can also call this 
person with Facetime.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Chip Orange
Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2016 9:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: My SIRI rant, was: When adding a contact, question regarding label 
choices

 

I believe there is a legit reason for having both the Iphone and mobile labels: 
this controls access to Iphone specific functionality such as advanced Imessage 
features, and FaceTime (which cannot be done with a non-Iphone).

 

Chip

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 7:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: My SIRI rant, was: When adding a contact, question regarding label 
choices

 

Hi Richard and Terri,

 

I actually think the labels you say depend on your email service. The "iPhone" 
label I think might be there if you use iCloud but not for contacts stored on 
Outlook.com and the same goes for the "Custom" option.

 

Terri, as far as labels like Home Fax or Pager are concerned, I guess that is 
the same as "iPhone". Yes, you may not be able to send a fax directly from the 
phone, but as a business owner I appreciate the fact I can store my contact's 
fax numbers as part of the information I have and label them properly. As for 
the iPhone label, it is in my opinion silly. An iPhone is a mobile phone and 
after all, you don't have an "Android", "Blackberry" or "Windows Phone" label, 
either. In any case, I may not necessarily know if some person in my contacts 
has an iPhone or not and there is no purpose to that label in terms of iMessage 
or Facetime since if somebody does have an iPhone and they have enabled these 
features then when you send a text message it automatically goes as an iMessage 
whether the number is labelled as "Mobile" or "iPhone".

 

One thing I don't get is the following example:

 

Assumptions:

You have a contact called "Allison"

You have a hone number and a mobiel number correctly entered and designated as 
"Home" and "Mobile" for Allison.

You use SIRI to send a message, for example, "Hey, are you coming for dinner 
tonight".

Here now the issue:

I tell SIRI "Text Allison Hey, are you coming for dinner tonight?"

SIRI then comes back at times and asks if it should use Home or Mobile to send 
the message. I had this happen even if I opened the contact and tapped on 
"Message" and it asked me to select/tap on one of the available numbers.

It used to be that if you selected to send a message or asked SIRI to do so 
that automatically the mobile number was used. This of course makes sense, but 
it doesn't always seem to be like that any more.

 

I continue to be astonished by how stupid SIRI sometimes is after having been 
around for 5 years.

I still can't create a contact where I just put the name of 

RE: My SIRI rant, was: When adding a contact, question regarding label choices

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Chip,

As far as I can see there is no such thing as “advanced” iMessage or Facetime 
features. iMessage and Facetime either work or they don’t, if you have an 
iPhone and the other person has an iPhone or iOS device with iMessage and 
Facetime enabled then both features work and can be used with all their 
functionality. It makes no difference if the number is labelled iPhone or not. 
After all, you may know if your family members or friends have iPhones, but you 
don’t know this necessarily of business contacts and so on and I don’t even 
have the iPhone label, but I can still use all aspects of iMessage and Facetime 
if I am contacting somebody who has an iPhone. Often I add somebody to my 
contacts (I never ask if they have an iPhone or not) and when I send a text 
message it tells me that it is an iMessage and then of course I have access to 
all the new effects and so on and I know that most likely I can also call this 
person with Facetime.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Chip Orange
Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2016 9:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: My SIRI rant, was: When adding a contact, question regarding label 
choices

I believe there is a legit reason for having both the Iphone and mobile labels: 
this controls access to Iphone specific functionality such as advanced Imessage 
features, and FaceTime (which cannot be done with a non-Iphone).

Chip


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 7:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: My SIRI rant, was: When adding a contact, question regarding label 
choices

Hi Richard and Terri,

I actually think the labels you say depend on your email service. The "iPhone" 
label I think might be there if you use iCloud but not for contacts stored on 
Outlook.com and the same goes for the "Custom" option.

Terri, as far as labels like Home Fax or Pager are concerned, I guess that is 
the same as "iPhone". Yes, you may not be able to send a fax directly from the 
phone, but as a business owner I appreciate the fact I can store my contact's 
fax numbers as part of the information I have and label them properly. As for 
the iPhone label, it is in my opinion silly. An iPhone is a mobile phone and 
after all, you don't have an "Android", "Blackberry" or "Windows Phone" label, 
either. In any case, I may not necessarily know if some person in my contacts 
has an iPhone or not and there is no purpose to that label in terms of iMessage 
or Facetime since if somebody does have an iPhone and they have enabled these 
features then when you send a text message it automatically goes as an iMessage 
whether the number is labelled as "Mobile" or "iPhone".

One thing I don't get is the following example:

Assumptions:
You have a contact called "Allison"
You have a hone number and a mobiel number correctly entered and designated as 
"Home" and "Mobile" for Allison.
You use SIRI to send a message, for example, "Hey, are you coming for dinner 
tonight".
Here now the issue:
I tell SIRI "Text Allison Hey, are you coming for dinner tonight?"
SIRI then comes back at times and asks if it should use Home or Mobile to send 
the message. I had this happen even if I opened the contact and tapped on 
"Message" and it asked me to select/tap on one of the available numbers.
It used to be that if you selected to send a message or asked SIRI to do so 
that automatically the mobile number was used. This of course makes sense, but 
it doesn't always seem to be like that any more.

I continue to be astonished by how stupid SIRI sometimes is after having been 
around for 5 years.
I still can't create a contact where I just put the name of a business in the 
"Company Name" field and then ask SIRI to call that business.
SIRI will apparently not at all search/look in the company name field and 
instead it will try to look up the business online. If I put the business name 
also in the last name field all  is well, but it's absolutely retarded.
Also, if I ask SIRI to look for something, for example, a restaurant, and SIRI 
then starts listing options, when it comes to one I want and I say "Yes" when 
it asks if I want that one, I usually get "I can call this location or give you 
directions, which do you want". If you say "Directions" all is well, but if you 
say "Call" SIRI goes into retard mode and asks "Whom should I call for you". It 
is absolutely infuriating.
Lastly, I recently often have to turn SIRI off and back on because it can't 
make phone calls to certain contacts, sometimes even those I have in my 
Favourites list. Right now, for example, 

RE: My SIRI rant, was: When adding a contact, question regarding label choices

[Chip Orange]

I believe there is a legit reason for having both the Iphone and mobile labels: 
this controls access to Iphone specific functionality such as advanced Imessage 
features, and FaceTime (which cannot be done with a non-Iphone).

 

Chip

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 7:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: My SIRI rant, was: When adding a contact, question regarding label 
choices

 

Hi Richard and Terri,

 

I actually think the labels you say depend on your email service. The "iPhone" 
label I think might be there if you use iCloud but not for contacts stored on 
Outlook.com and the same goes for the "Custom" option.

 

Terri, as far as labels like Home Fax or Pager are concerned, I guess that is 
the same as "iPhone". Yes, you may not be able to send a fax directly from the 
phone, but as a business owner I appreciate the fact I can store my contact's 
fax numbers as part of the information I have and label them properly. As for 
the iPhone label, it is in my opinion silly. An iPhone is a mobile phone and 
after all, you don't have an "Android", "Blackberry" or "Windows Phone" label, 
either. In any case, I may not necessarily know if some person in my contacts 
has an iPhone or not and there is no purpose to that label in terms of iMessage 
or Facetime since if somebody does have an iPhone and they have enabled these 
features then when you send a text message it automatically goes as an iMessage 
whether the number is labelled as "Mobile" or "iPhone".

 

One thing I don't get is the following example:

 

Assumptions:

You have a contact called "Allison"

You have a hone number and a mobiel number correctly entered and designated as 
"Home" and "Mobile" for Allison.

You use SIRI to send a message, for example, "Hey, are you coming for dinner 
tonight".

Here now the issue:

I tell SIRI "Text Allison Hey, are you coming for dinner tonight?"

SIRI then comes back at times and asks if it should use Home or Mobile to send 
the message. I had this happen even if I opened the contact and tapped on 
"Message" and it asked me to select/tap on one of the available numbers.

It used to be that if you selected to send a message or asked SIRI to do so 
that automatically the mobile number was used. This of course makes sense, but 
it doesn't always seem to be like that any more.

 

I continue to be astonished by how stupid SIRI sometimes is after having been 
around for 5 years.

I still can't create a contact where I just put the name of a business in the 
"Company Name" field and then ask SIRI to call that business.

SIRI will apparently not at all search/look in the company name field and 
instead it will try to look up the business online. If I put the business name 
also in the last name field all  is well, but it's absolutely retarded.

Also, if I ask SIRI to look for something, for example, a restaurant, and SIRI 
then starts listing options, when it comes to one I want and I say "Yes" when 
it asks if I want that one, I usually get "I can call this location or give you 
directions, which do you want". If you say "Directions" all is well, but if you 
say "Call" SIRI goes into retard mode and asks "Whom should I call for you". It 
is absolutely infuriating.

Lastly, I recently often have to turn SIRI off and back on because it can't 
make phone calls to certain contacts, sometimes even those I have in my 
Favourites list. Right now, for example, if I ask SIRI to "Call my Mom" it asks 
me which phone number for Margrit Weitzel I want to use. This means aparently 
SIRI knows that my Mom is Margrit Weitzel and if I ask SIRI to "Show me my 
Mom's home number" it will do so happily. However, after it asks me which 
number to use and I say "Home" or "Mobile" I get "Sorry, I can't find Margrit 
Weitzel in your contacts". This borders on the unacceptable and I wish Apple 
would get their act together and fix SIRI so it's a bit more useful, flexible 
and consistent.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 3:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: When adding a contact, question regarding label choices

 

Well, asking why won't get you very far since there is no answer to "why" that 
can be trusted unless it comes from Apple.

Also, to me, those labels are some irrational hold over from a time long, long 
ago.

I've seen the iPhone option at times, but at other times it isn't there.

Sometimes the default is Home Fax, which I agree is silly; then other times the 
default is home.

Then again, sometimes there is a custom option where you can write your own 
label.

Personally, I think some Apple engineers are just too lazy to fix the labels 
from whatever ancient template they are using.

I hope to be a part of a conversation with a senior Apple engineer in a couple 
of weeks. I'll 

Re: My SIRI rant, was: When adding a contact, question regarding label choices

[gs]

Also, be aware that if you use some of the esoteric labels available via the 
iPhone or Mac and sync with iCloud, things may work fine. However, in the past 
I have had problems with those labeled fields not transferring if contacts are 
synced with another service. I remember issues with the "Main" field for phone 
numbers. It has been a while since I had these issues because I have been 
exclusively using iCloud for the past few years. But I am about to stop doing 
that and can only imagine the difficulty I may have.


On Nov 5, 2016, at 7:28 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

Hi Richard and Terri,
 
I actually think the labels you say depend on your email service. The "iPhone" 
label I think might be there if you use iCloud but not for contacts stored on 
Outlook.com  and the same goes for the "Custom" option.
 
Terri, as far as labels like Home Fax or Pager are concerned, I guess that is 
the same as "iPhone". Yes, you may not be able to send a fax directly from the 
phone, but as a business owner I appreciate the fact I can store my contact's 
fax numbers as part of the information I have and label them properly. As for 
the iPhone label, it is in my opinion silly. An iPhone is a mobile phone and 
after all, you don't have an "Android", "Blackberry" or "Windows Phone" label, 
either. In any case, I may not necessarily know if some person in my contacts 
has an iPhone or not and there is no purpose to that label in terms of iMessage 
or Facetime since if somebody does have an iPhone and they have enabled these 
features then when you send a text message it automatically goes as an iMessage 
whether the number is labelled as "Mobile" or "iPhone".
 
One thing I don't get is the following example:
 
Assumptions:
You have a contact called "Allison"
You have a hone number and a mobiel number correctly entered and designated as 
"Home" and "Mobile" for Allison.
You use SIRI to send a message, for example, "Hey, are you coming for dinner 
tonight".
Here now the issue:
I tell SIRI "Text Allison Hey, are you coming for dinner tonight?"
SIRI then comes back at times and asks if it should use Home or Mobile to send 
the message. I had this happen even if I opened the contact and tapped on 
"Message" and it asked me to select/tap on one of the available numbers.
It used to be that if you selected to send a message or asked SIRI to do so 
that automatically the mobile number was used. This of course makes sense, but 
it doesn't always seem to be like that any more.
 
I continue to be astonished by how stupid SIRI sometimes is after having been 
around for 5 years.
I still can't create a contact where I just put the name of a business in the 
"Company Name" field and then ask SIRI to call that business.
SIRI will apparently not at all search/look in the company name field and 
instead it will try to look up the business online. If I put the business name 
also in the last name field all  is well, but it's absolutely retarded.
Also, if I ask SIRI to look for something, for example, a restaurant, and SIRI 
then starts listing options, when it comes to one I want and I say "Yes" when 
it asks if I want that one, I usually get "I can call this location or give you 
directions, which do you want". If you say "Directions" all is well, but if you 
say "Call" SIRI goes into retard mode and asks "Whom should I call for you". It 
is absolutely infuriating.
Lastly, I recently often have to turn SIRI off and back on because it can't 
make phone calls to certain contacts, sometimes even those I have in my 
Favourites list. Right now, for example, if I ask SIRI to "Call my Mom" it asks 
me which phone number for Margrit Weitzel I want to use. This means aparently 
SIRI knows that my Mom is Margrit Weitzel and if I ask SIRI to "Show me my 
Mom's home number" it will do so happily. However, after it asks me which 
number to use and I say "Home" or "Mobile" I get "Sorry, I can't find Margrit 
Weitzel in your contacts". This borders on the unacceptable and I wish Apple 
would get their act together and fix SIRI so it's a bit more useful, flexible 
and consistent.
 
Regards,
Sieghard
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf 
Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 3:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: When adding a contact, question regarding label choices
 
Well, asking why won't get you very far since there is no answer to "why" that 
can be trusted unless it comes from Apple.
Also, to me, those labels are some irrational hold over from a time long, long 
ago.
I've seen the iPhone option at times, but at other times it isn't there.
Sometimes the default is Home Fax, which I agree is silly; then other times the 
default is home.
Then again, sometimes there is a custom option where you can write your own 
label.
Personally, I think some 

RE: My SIRI rant, was: When adding a contact, question regarding label choices

[Richard Turner]

I agree with much of your Siri rant, but the Home number or Mobile number is 
not that out of line.  I know lots of people who no longer have a Home number, 
I.E. landline, just a cell phone.  So, their home number is now their cell 
number.
Splitting hairs I know, but I’ve run into the rest of your Siri issues and find 
them just as perplexing.

Later,
Richard


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2016 4:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: My SIRI rant, was: When adding a contact, question regarding label 
choices

Hi Richard and Terri,

I actually think the labels you say depend on your email service. The "iPhone" 
label I think might be there if you use iCloud but not for contacts stored on 
Outlook.com and the same goes for the "Custom" option.

Terri, as far as labels like Home Fax or Pager are concerned, I guess that is 
the same as "iPhone". Yes, you may not be able to send a fax directly from the 
phone, but as a business owner I appreciate the fact I can store my contact's 
fax numbers as part of the information I have and label them properly. As for 
the iPhone label, it is in my opinion silly. An iPhone is a mobile phone and 
after all, you don't have an "Android", "Blackberry" or "Windows Phone" label, 
either. In any case, I may not necessarily know if some person in my contacts 
has an iPhone or not and there is no purpose to that label in terms of iMessage 
or Facetime since if somebody does have an iPhone and they have enabled these 
features then when you send a text message it automatically goes as an iMessage 
whether the number is labelled as "Mobile" or "iPhone".

One thing I don't get is the following example:

Assumptions:
You have a contact called "Allison"
You have a hone number and a mobiel number correctly entered and designated as 
"Home" and "Mobile" for Allison.
You use SIRI to send a message, for example, "Hey, are you coming for dinner 
tonight".
Here now the issue:
I tell SIRI "Text Allison Hey, are you coming for dinner tonight?"
SIRI then comes back at times and asks if it should use Home or Mobile to send 
the message. I had this happen even if I opened the contact and tapped on 
"Message" and it asked me to select/tap on one of the available numbers.
It used to be that if you selected to send a message or asked SIRI to do so 
that automatically the mobile number was used. This of course makes sense, but 
it doesn't always seem to be like that any more.

I continue to be astonished by how stupid SIRI sometimes is after having been 
around for 5 years.
I still can't create a contact where I just put the name of a business in the 
"Company Name" field and then ask SIRI to call that business.
SIRI will apparently not at all search/look in the company name field and 
instead it will try to look up the business online. If I put the business name 
also in the last name field all  is well, but it's absolutely retarded.
Also, if I ask SIRI to look for something, for example, a restaurant, and SIRI 
then starts listing options, when it comes to one I want and I say "Yes" when 
it asks if I want that one, I usually get "I can call this location or give you 
directions, which do you want". If you say "Directions" all is well, but if you 
say "Call" SIRI goes into retard mode and asks "Whom should I call for you". It 
is absolutely infuriating.
Lastly, I recently often have to turn SIRI off and back on because it can't 
make phone calls to certain contacts, sometimes even those I have in my 
Favourites list. Right now, for example, if I ask SIRI to "Call my Mom" it asks 
me which phone number for Margrit Weitzel I want to use. This means aparently 
SIRI knows that my Mom is Margrit Weitzel and if I ask SIRI to "Show me my 
Mom's home number" it will do so happily. However, after it asks me which 
number to use and I say "Home" or "Mobile" I get "Sorry, I can't find Margrit 
Weitzel in your contacts". This borders on the unacceptable and I wish Apple 
would get their act together and fix SIRI so it's a bit more useful, flexible 
and consistent.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 3:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: When adding a contact, question regarding label choices

Well, asking why won't get you very far since there is no answer to "why" that 
can be trusted unless it comes from Apple.
Also, to me, those labels are some irrational hold over from a time long, long 
ago.
I've seen the iPhone option at times, but at other times it isn't there.
Sometimes the default is Home Fax, which I agree is silly; then other times the 
default is home.
Then again, sometimes there is a custom option where you can write your own 
label.
Personally, I think some Apple engineers are just too lazy to fix the labels 
from whatever ancient template they are using.
I hope to be a