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Re: Native Mail app focus issues under iOS 13.2

2019-11-01 Thread Bill Outman

I am not using Braille and see the misspelled words issue you all are 
referencing. I am noticing the issues with focus in 13.2 as well, say, when 
deleting a message or thread, and had reported this when I went to 13.1 and got 
the can’t be reproduced response and was recommended to screen share. This 
behavior had seemed to quiet down by 13.1.3 but is cropping up more again. 
Bill Outman 


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> On Nov 1, 2019, at 8:26 PM, Robin Frost  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Sir,
> Yes it’s a thing and I called Apple today and was first told they knew not of 
> it. When I gave my Apple ID of course he brought up the ticket associated 
> with me at least. Sadly as these things go while screen sharing it wouldn’t 
> manifest at will so I could show the man but I did explain that while it’s 
> still prone to happen it is a smidge so in iOS 13.2 for me. Nevertheless it 
> is an inconvenience.
> Do join in reporting to to Apple Accessibility if you’d be so kind.
> Take good care.
>  
> From: Alan Lemly
> Sent: Friday, November 1, 2019 12:08 PM
> To: 'VIPhone Email List'
> Subject: Native Mail app focus issues under iOS 13.2
>  
> Hi List,
>  
> I think this subject might have been previously discussed so I apologize as I 
> only upgraded to iOS 13.x on Tuesday of this week.
>  
> I use the native Mail app for reading my Gmail account emails and I have it 
> set to display messages in threaded mode. I'm noticing that when focus is on 
> a message group with multiple messages, that when I single finger swipe down 
> and select expand to open the list of messages in the group that focus jumps 
> several screens up or down rather than leaving me at the top of the opened 
> list as it did in iOS 12.4.1. I get similar screen jumps and loss of focus 
> when I single finger swipe to contract the opened thread.
>  
> I'm also noticing that when I open a single email that isn't part of a group, 
> that focus isn't on it any longer when I go back to my message list using 
> either the back button or the scrub gesture.
>  
> This loss of focus makes reading emails on my iPhone 8 a royal pain and I'm 
> wondering if others are experiencing it. If there is a workaround, I'd love 
> to hear it or if this is a known issue, I'd love to know that too. I plan on 
> writing Apple Accessibility to report this but I wanted to check with this 
> list first before doing that.
>  
> Thanks in advance for your help.
>  
> Alan Lemly
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Re: Native Mail app focus issues under iOS 13.2

2019-11-01 Thread Robin Frost

Hi Sir,
Yes it’s a thing and I called Apple today and was first told they knew not of 
it. When I gave my Apple ID of course he brought up the ticket associated with 
me at least. Sadly as these things go while screen sharing it wouldn’t manifest 
at will so I could show the man but I did explain that while it’s still prone 
to happen it is a smidge so in iOS 13.2 for me. Nevertheless it is an 
inconvenience.
Do join in reporting to to Apple Accessibility if you’d be so kind.
Take good care.

From: Alan Lemly 
Sent: Friday, November 1, 2019 12:08 PM
To: 'VIPhone Email List' 
Subject: Native Mail app focus issues under iOS 13.2

Hi List,

 

I think this subject might have been previously discussed so I apologize as I 
only upgraded to iOS 13.x on Tuesday of this week.

 

I use the native Mail app for reading my Gmail account emails and I have it set 
to display messages in threaded mode. I'm noticing that when focus is on a 
message group with multiple messages, that when I single finger swipe down and 
select expand to open the list of messages in the group that focus jumps 
several screens up or down rather than leaving me at the top of the opened list 
as it did in iOS 12.4.1. I get similar screen jumps and loss of focus when I 
single finger swipe to contract the opened thread.

 

I'm also noticing that when I open a single email that isn't part of a group, 
that focus isn't on it any longer when I go back to my message list using 
either the back button or the scrub gesture.

 

This loss of focus makes reading emails on my iPhone 8 a royal pain and I'm 
wondering if others are experiencing it. If there is a workaround, I'd love to 
hear it or if this is a known issue, I'd love to know that too. I plan on 
writing Apple Accessibility to report this but I wanted to check with this list 
first before doing that.

 

Thanks in advance for your help.

 

Alan Lemly

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Re: Native Mail app focus issues under iOS 13.2

2019-11-01 Thread pegkane52

I am having the same difficulty when trying to focus and email it keeps trying 
to bring me back to the inbox.
I am also having a problem where notifications keep repeating themselves even 
though I haven’t said to only repeat once. I have reported these issues to 
Apple Accessability also.
Peggy

Peggy Sent from my i phone☺️

> On Nov 1, 2019, at 5:45 PM, lang...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Alan,
> I’ve experienced similar issues with the native Mail app since IOS 13 came 
> out.  I reported it to Apple Accessibility and they responded, saying that 
> the problem couldn’t be reproduced.  I suspect that the guy who handled the 
> situation didn’t know what I was talking about and was basically clueless. 
> I’ll report it again, as reading mail can be a royal pain because of the 
> focus issues. 
>  
> I also plan to report Braille display issues as well. I had thought that 
> Braille behavior had improved with 13.2, but there are still a number of 
> issues while using my Braille display, including VO crashing.
>  
> Tom
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
> Lemly
> Sent: Friday, November 1, 2019 9:08 AM
> To: 'VIPhone Email List' 
> Subject: Native Mail app focus issues under iOS 13.2
>  
> Hi List,
>  
> I think this subject might have been previously discussed so I apologize as I 
> only upgraded to iOS 13.x on Tuesday of this week.
>  
> I use the native Mail app for reading my Gmail account emails and I have it 
> set to display messages in threaded mode. I'm noticing that when focus is on 
> a message group with multiple messages, that when I single finger swipe down 
> and select expand to open the list of messages in the group that focus jumps 
> several screens up or down rather than leaving me at the top of the opened 
> list as it did in iOS 12.4.1. I get similar screen jumps and loss of focus 
> when I single finger swipe to contract the opened thread.
>  
> I'm also noticing that when I open a single email that isn't part of a group, 
> that focus isn't on it any longer when I go back to my message list using 
> either the back button or the scrub gesture.
>  
> This loss of focus makes reading emails on my iPhone 8 a royal pain and I'm 
> wondering if others are experiencing it. If there is a workaround, I'd love 
> to hear it or if this is a known issue, I'd love to know that too. I plan on 
> writing Apple Accessibility to report this but I wanted to check with this 
> list first before doing that.
>  
> Thanks in advance for your help.
>  
> Alan Lemly
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RE: Native Mail app focus issues under iOS 13.2

2019-11-01 Thread lange85

Hi,

The “misspelled Words” item in the rotor is definitely a bug.  Here’s what 
someone at Applevis has to say about it.

 

There are numerous places system-wide where the Misspelled Words item will be 
in the VoiceOver rotor's Action menu where this functionality is not available 
(examples include when viewing a web page in Safari and when reading an email 
in Mail). In some of these it is the default position of the VoiceOver rotor, 
which is a frustrating hit on the user experience - for example when opening a 
webpage in Safari and expecting to be able to immediately flick down to 
navigate by heading.

 

Someone else on this list reported that it also occurs in the NFB Newsline app 
when trying to navigate through newspapers by heading. I can definitely verify 
this, as I experienced it this morning. 

 

Tom

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Debby 
Hill
Sent: Friday, November 1, 2019 1:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Native Mail app focus issues under iOS 13.2

 

Hi All,

Alan, I haven't notice your thread issue because I usually open a thread with a 
one finger double tap and read through the messages that way. ⠠⠓⠪⠐⠑⠂ I know 
what you mean when exiting from a message or for me it occurs on a thread of 
messages. When I return to the ⠍⠑⠎⠎⠁⠛⠑ list there is random behavior. Sometimes 
it does focus on the message or thread I have just closed, but at other times 
the focus is at the top or somewhere else on the message list. (Sometimes I 
whimsically wonder if it has something ⠞⠕ do with the way I am holding the 
⠏⠓⠐⠕⠲ :)) It is annoying, and I need to report it also. I was hoping that 13.2 
would fix it, but it hasn't.

The other weird thing that happens for me is that when I am reading through a 
thread message by message, when I turn the rotor ⠞⠕ to go to the "messages" 
setting I always have to pass through "misspelled words." I have looked all 
over to try to get rid of the "misspelled words" in the rotor with no luck. 
Neither "Messages" nor "misspelled words" appear in the rotor list, so I can't 
change their order. I searched in settings for "misspelled words" and couldn't 
find any reference to it. Am I missing something or is this is just a bug?

Thanks for any help!

Take care and have fun!

Debby  

On Nov 1, 2019 4:19 PM, matthew dyer mailto:ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi,

 

This is a bug which I think someone reported, but it doesn’t heart to report as 
well. 

 

I am currently using outlook for iOS and it works just fine here.

Matthew

 

 

 

Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef> 

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  on behalf of 
Alan Lemly mailto:wale...@gmail.com> >
Sent: Friday, November 1, 2019 12:08 PM
To: 'VIPhone Email List'
Subject: Native Mail app focus issues under iOS 13.2 

 

Hi List,

 

I think this subject might have been previously discussed so I apologize as I 
only upgraded to iOS 13.x on Tuesday of this week.

 

I use the native Mail app for reading my Gmail account emails and I have it set 
to display messages in threaded mode. I'm noticing that when focus is on a 
message group with multiple messages, that when I single finger swipe down and 
select expand to open the list of messages in the group that focus jumps 
several screens up or down rather than leaving me at the top of the opened list 
as it did in iOS 12.4.1. I get similar screen jumps and loss of focus when I 
single finger swipe to contract the opened thread.

 

I'm also noticing that when I open a single email that isn't part of a group, 
that focus isn't on it any longer when I go back to my message list using 
either the back button or the scrub gesture.

 

This loss of focus makes reading emails on my iPhone 8 a royal pain and I'm 
wondering if others are experiencing it. If there is a workaround, I'd love to 
hear it or if this is a known issue, I'd love to know that too. I plan on 
writing Apple Accessibility to report this but I wanted to check with this list 
first before doing that.

 

Thanks in advance for your help.

 

Alan Lemly

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RE: Native Mail app focus issues under iOS 13.2

2019-11-01 Thread lange85

Hi Alan,

I’ve experienced similar issues with the native Mail app since IOS 13 came out. 
 I reported it to Apple Accessibility and they responded, saying that the 
problem couldn’t be reproduced.  I suspect that the guy who handled the 
situation didn’t know what I was talking about and was basically clueless. I’ll 
report it again, as reading mail can be a royal pain because of the focus 
issues.  

 

I also plan to report Braille display issues as well. I had thought that 
Braille behavior had improved with 13.2, but there are still a number of issues 
while using my Braille display, including VO crashing. 

 

Tom

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Friday, November 1, 2019 9:08 AM
To: 'VIPhone Email List' 
Subject: Native Mail app focus issues under iOS 13.2

 

Hi List,

 

I think this subject might have been previously discussed so I apologize as I 
only upgraded to iOS 13.x on Tuesday of this week.

 

I use the native Mail app for reading my Gmail account emails and I have it set 
to display messages in threaded mode. I'm noticing that when focus is on a 
message group with multiple messages, that when I single finger swipe down and 
select expand to open the list of messages in the group that focus jumps 
several screens up or down rather than leaving me at the top of the opened list 
as it did in iOS 12.4.1. I get similar screen jumps and loss of focus when I 
single finger swipe to contract the opened thread.

 

I'm also noticing that when I open a single email that isn't part of a group, 
that focus isn't on it any longer when I go back to my message list using 
either the back button or the scrub gesture.

 

This loss of focus makes reading emails on my iPhone 8 a royal pain and I'm 
wondering if others are experiencing it. If there is a workaround, I'd love to 
hear it or if this is a known issue, I'd love to know that too. I plan on 
writing Apple Accessibility to report this but I wanted to check with this list 
first before doing that.

 

Thanks in advance for your help.

 

Alan Lemly

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Re: Native Mail app focus issues under iOS 13.2

2019-11-01 Thread Debby Hill

Hi All,
Alan, I haven't notice your thread issue because I usually open a thread with a one finger double tap and read through the messages that way. ⠠⠓⠪⠐⠑⠂ I know what you mean when exiting from a message or for me it occurs on a thread of messages. When I return to the ⠍⠑⠎⠎⠁⠛⠑ list there is random behavior. Sometimes it does focus on the message or thread I have just closed, but at other times the focus is at the top or somewhere else on the message list. (Sometimes I whimsically wonder if it has something ⠞⠕ do with the way I am holding the ⠏⠓⠐⠕⠲ :)) It is annoying, and I need to report it also. I was hoping that 13.2 would fix it, but it hasn't.
The other weird thing that happens for me is that when I am reading through a thread message by message, when I turn the rotor ⠞⠕ to go to the "messages" setting I always have to pass through "misspelled words." I have looked all over to try to get rid of the "misspelled words" in the rotor with no luck. Neither "Messages" nor "misspelled words" appear in the rotor list, so I can't change their order. I searched in settings for "misspelled words" and couldn't find any reference to it. Am I missing something or is this is just a bug?
Thanks for any help!
Take care and have fun!
Debby  
On Nov 1, 2019 4:19 PM, matthew dyer  wrote:



Hi,




This is a bug which I think someone reported, but it doesn’t heart to report as well. 




I am currently using outlook for iOS and it works just fine here.

Matthew








Get Outlook for iOS

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com on behalf of Alan Lemly 
Sent: Friday, November 1, 2019 12:08 PM
To: 'VIPhone Email List'
Subject: Native Mail app focus issues under iOS 13.2
 





Hi List,
 
I think this subject might have been previously discussed so I apologize as I only upgraded to iOS 13.x on Tuesday of this week.
 
I use the native Mail app for reading my Gmail account emails and I have it set to display messages in threaded mode. I'm noticing that when focus is on a message group
 with multiple messages, that when I single finger swipe down and select expand to open the list of messages in the group that focus jumps several screens up or down rather than leaving me at the top of the opened list as it did in iOS 12.4.1. I get similar
 screen jumps and loss of focus when I single finger swipe to contract the opened thread.
 
I'm also noticing that when I open a single email that isn't part of a group, that focus isn't on it any longer when I go back to my message list using either the back button
 or the scrub gesture.
 
This loss of focus makes reading emails on my iPhone 8 a royal pain and I'm wondering if others are experiencing it. If there is a workaround, I'd love to hear it or if
 this is a known issue, I'd love to know that too. I plan on writing Apple Accessibility to report this but I wanted to check with this list first before doing that.
 
Thanks in advance for your help.
 
Alan Lemly


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Re: Native Mail app focus issues under iOS 13.2

2019-11-01 Thread matthew dyer

Hi,

This is a bug which I think someone reported, but it doesn’t heart to report as 
well.

I am currently using outlook for iOS and it works just fine here.
Matthew



Get Outlook for iOS


From: viphone@googlegroups.com on behalf of Alan Lemly 
Sent: Friday, November 1, 2019 12:08 PM
To: 'VIPhone Email List'
Subject: Native Mail app focus issues under iOS 13.2

Hi List,

I think this subject might have been previously discussed so I apologize as I 
only upgraded to iOS 13.x on Tuesday of this week.

I use the native Mail app for reading my Gmail account emails and I have it set 
to display messages in threaded mode. I'm noticing that when focus is on a 
message group with multiple messages, that when I single finger swipe down and 
select expand to open the list of messages in the group that focus jumps 
several screens up or down rather than leaving me at the top of the opened list 
as it did in iOS 12.4.1. I get similar screen jumps and loss of focus when I 
single finger swipe to contract the opened thread.

I'm also noticing that when I open a single email that isn't part of a group, 
that focus isn't on it any longer when I go back to my message list using 
either the back button or the scrub gesture.

This loss of focus makes reading emails on my iPhone 8 a royal pain and I'm 
wondering if others are experiencing it. If there is a workaround, I'd love to 
hear it or if this is a known issue, I'd love to know that too. I plan on 
writing Apple Accessibility to report this but I wanted to check with this list 
first before doing that.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Alan Lemly

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