RE: [AppleVis Newsletter] The Accessibility Bugs Introduced and Resolved in iOS 15 and iPadOS 15 for Blind and Low Vision Users

[kitty hevener]

Okay, didn’t mean to go technical on you smiles!  Was just wondering if it was 
some new braille code that was coming out in the near future.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 12:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AppleVis Newsletter] The Accessibility Bugs Introduced and 
Resolved in iOS 15 and iPadOS 15 for Blind and Low Vision Users

 

That was probably not the perfect use of the word protocol, but in the sense I 
used it it means a set of rules governing the exchange of data between devices. 
 In the dictionary, that is the 4th meaning.

 

IN any case, it is the procedure used to exchange data in this case, between an 
iPhone and a braille display over a USB cable.

 

HTH,

 

 

 

 

 

Richard

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.” – 
Jane Wagner

 

My Web site:  <https://www.turner42.com> https://www.turner42.com

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
kitty hevener
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 9:00 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: [AppleVis Newsletter] The Accessibility Bugs Introduced and 
Resolved in iOS 15 and iPadOS 15 for Blind and Low Vision Users

 

Richard, forgive my ignorance, but what is HID protocal?  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 9:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: [AppleVis Newsletter] The Accessibility Bugs Introduced and 
Resolved in iOS 15 and iPadOS 15 for Blind and Low Vision Users

 

I don’t use any of the features under the Serious bugs.

 

Under Moderate bugs:

*   It is not possible to edit existing alarms in the native Clock app when 
VoiceOver is enabled. 
<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.applevis.com%2Fbugs%2Fios%2Funable-edit-alarms-clock-app&data=04%7C01%7C%7C3d3cf437ed4c4f28b44908d97c4fae98%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637677503957310378%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=YHiwQr2fQ%2F2dtV21EdZJ7l6GLxJ%2FSofddWSu2q1UfgA%3D&reserved=0>
  For now, the simplest workaround is to use the VoiceOver rotor’s Action menu 
to delete the alarm, and then recreate it with the desired configuration.

** or use Siri to change or create a new alarm.

 

That is all that will interfere with my use of the phone and since the new 
phone comes with iOS 15 already, I’ll update my existing phone and keep 
updating when they fix the issues listed.

 

However, I can see where this is an update a lot of people will want to sit out 
for now.

Especially this new use of USB braille displays with the HID Braille protocol; 
which will be a problem for deaf-blind users.

I only learned this was beginning to be possible when Scott Davert mentioned it 
on the Braille Device Users list.

 

Later,

 

 

 

Richard

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.” – 
Jane Wagner

 

My Web site:  
<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C3d3cf437ed4c4f28b44908d97c4fae98%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637677503957320332%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=bGQTxCMHoykHsESMNJQ9w4bzgsQ7RNPMc%2FinvquaByE%3D&reserved=0>
 https://www.turner42.com

 

 

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Rafal Marzec
Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2021 4:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Fwd: [AppleVis Newsletter] The Accessibility Bugs Introduced and 
Resolved in iOS 15 and iPadOS 15 for Blind and Low Vision Users

 

I must say that it looks really bad

Probably I will not upgrade till they will fix basic problems

Sent from my iPhone


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Date: 18 September 2021 at 8:57:43 am BST
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Subject: [AppleVis Newsletter] The Accessibility Bugs Introduced and Resolved 
in iOS 15 and iPadOS 15 for Blind and Low Vision Users
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RE: [AppleVis Newsletter] The Accessibility Bugs Introduced and Resolved in iOS 15 and iPadOS 15 for Blind and Low Vision Users

[kitty hevener]

Richard, forgive my ignorance, but what is HID protocal?  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 9:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AppleVis Newsletter] The Accessibility Bugs Introduced and 
Resolved in iOS 15 and iPadOS 15 for Blind and Low Vision Users

 

I don’t use any of the features under the Serious bugs.

 

Under Moderate bugs:

*   It is not possible to edit existing alarms in the native Clock app when 
VoiceOver is enabled. 
<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.applevis.com%2Fbugs%2Fios%2Funable-edit-alarms-clock-app&data=04%7C01%7C%7C1a444d162e2b4709fed408d97bc7c7db%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637676920266298450%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=%2Fjn2wS6bEyZdZ4YbkyCO0FT%2Fylz4m1vZUn5bVRQMl1c%3D&reserved=0>
  For now, the simplest workaround is to use the VoiceOver rotor’s Action menu 
to delete the alarm, and then recreate it with the desired configuration.

** or use Siri to change or create a new alarm.

 

That is all that will interfere with my use of the phone and since the new 
phone comes with iOS 15 already, I’ll update my existing phone and keep 
updating when they fix the issues listed.

 

However, I can see where this is an update a lot of people will want to sit out 
for now.

Especially this new use of USB braille displays with the HID Braille protocol; 
which will be a problem for deaf-blind users.

I only learned this was beginning to be possible when Scott Davert mentioned it 
on the Braille Device Users list.

 

Later,

 

 

 

Richard

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.” – 
Jane Wagner

 

My Web site:  <https://www.turner42.com> https://www.turner42.com

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Rafal Marzec
Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2021 4:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Fwd: [AppleVis Newsletter] The Accessibility Bugs Introduced and 
Resolved in iOS 15 and iPadOS 15 for Blind and Low Vision Users

 

I must say that it looks really bad

Probably I will not upgrade till they will fix basic problems

Sent from my iPhone


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Date: 18 September 2021 at 8:57:43 am BST
To: bluewings1...@gmail.com <mailto:bluewings1...@gmail.com> 
Subject: [AppleVis Newsletter] The Accessibility Bugs Introduced and Resolved 
in iOS 15 and iPadOS 15 for Blind and Low Vision Users
Reply-To: The AppleVis Editorial Team mailto:newslet...@applevis.com> >

 


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The Accessibility Bugs Introduced and Resolved in iOS 15 and iPadOS 15 for 
Blind and Low Vision Users


iOS 15 and iPadOS 15 will be released to the public on Monday 20 September, 
2021. As is our tradition, we have posted to the AppleVis website a list of 
VoiceOver, low vision, and braille bugs which we believe will be introduced in 
these releases; as well as details of the pre-existing bugs which we believe to 
be resolved.

If you have already read our post to AppleVis, there will be nothing new for 
you in this email, so we apologise for repeating ourselves and wish you a great 
weekend. However, we know that many in our community won’t yet have seen the 
post, so decided to mail it to our newsletter subscribers - this should 
hopefully ensure that as many people as possible are aware of what to expect 
when the public releases of iOS 15 and iPadOS 15 become available on Monday.

As is our routine practice, each new bug has been given a severity rating; 
these ratings are based upon what we believe to be the implications for 
accessing and using features and functionality and the level of impact on the 
overall user experience, as well as whether or not there is an effective 
workaround for the issue. However, as these ratings are subjective, it is very 
possible that they may not reflect your own opinion or use case.

As we always stress, we can make no claims on the completeness or accuracy of 
our testing. We have only a small team of testers, and it is simply impossible 
for us to test all devices, configurations, applications, and use cases; this 
is even more important to note now as Apple’s ecosystem continues to expand

RE: [AppleVis Newsletter] The Accessibility Bugs Introduced and Resolved in iOS 15 and iPadOS 15 for Blind and Low Vision Users

[Richard Turner]

I don’t use any of the features under the Serious bugs.

Under Moderate bugs:

  *   It is not possible to edit existing alarms in the native Clock app when 
VoiceOver is 
enabled.
 For now, the simplest workaround is to use the VoiceOver rotor’s Action menu 
to delete the alarm, and then recreate it with the desired configuration.
** or use Siri to change or create a new alarm.

That is all that will interfere with my use of the phone and since the new 
phone comes with iOS 15 already, I’ll update my existing phone and keep 
updating when they fix the issues listed.

However, I can see where this is an update a lot of people will want to sit out 
for now.
Especially this new use of USB braille displays with the HID Braille protocol; 
which will be a problem for deaf-blind users.
I only learned this was beginning to be possible when Scott Davert mentioned it 
on the Braille Device Users list.

Later,



Richard
“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.” – 
Jane Wagner

My Web site: https://www.turner42.com


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Rafal 
Marzec
Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2021 4:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Fwd: [AppleVis Newsletter] The Accessibility Bugs Introduced and 
Resolved in iOS 15 and iPadOS 15 for Blind and Low Vision Users

I must say that it looks really bad
Probably I will not upgrade till they will fix basic problems
Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:
From: The AppleVis Editorial Team 
mailto:newslet...@applevis.com>>
Date: 18 September 2021 at 8:57:43 am BST
To: bluewings1...@gmail.com
Subject: [AppleVis Newsletter] The Accessibility Bugs Introduced and Resolved 
in iOS 15 and iPadOS 15 for Blind and Low Vision Users
Reply-To: The AppleVis Editorial Team 
mailto:newslet...@applevis.com>>


View in 
browser

The Accessibility Bugs Introduced and Resolved in iOS 15 and iPadOS 15 for 
Blind and Low Vision Users

iOS 15 and iPadOS 15 will be released to the public on Monday 20 September, 
2021. As is our tradition, we have posted to the AppleVis website a list of 
VoiceOver, low vision, and braille bugs which we believe will be introduced in 
these releases; as well as details of the pre-existing bugs which we believe to 
be resolved.

If you have already read our post to AppleVis, there will be nothing new for 
you in this email, so we apologise for repeating ourselves and wish you a great 
weekend. However, we know that many in our community won’t yet have seen the 
post, so decided to mail it to our newsletter subscribers - this should 
hopefully ensure that as many people as possible are aware of what to expect 
when the public releases of iOS 15 and iPadOS 15 become available on Monday.

As is our routine practice, each new bug has been given a severity rating; 
these ratings are based upon what we believe to be the implications for 
accessing and using features and functionality and the level of impact on the 
overall user experience, as well as whether or not there is an effective 
workaround for the issue. However, as these ratings are subjective, it is very 
possible that they may not reflect your own opinion or use case.

As we always stress, we can make no claims on the completeness or accuracy of 
our testing. We have only a small team of testers, and it is simply impossible 
for us to test all devices, configurations, applications, and use cases; this 
is even more important to note now as Apple’s ecosystem continues to expand and 
the number of possible device configurations increases. Some of the bugs listed 
below will be specific to a certain device, configuration or use case. 
Consequently, it is entirely likely that you will not encounter all of what we 
list; and it is also probable that you will encounter bugs or regressions that 
we did not identify during our testing.

We strongly recommend that you read through this email and all of the replies 
to our post on 
AppleVis

Re: [AppleVis Newsletter] The Accessibility Bugs Introduced and Resolved in iOS 15 and iPadOS 15 for Blind and Low Vision Users

[Dawn Bilpuch]

Sharesheet is what you use anytime you share something from your device. It 
gives you a list of apps like Mail, Zoom, etc to share files and web pages  and 
the like to anyone. The bug I'm talking about that affects it, is a bug where 
VoiceOver will not announce the name of the app as you swipe through the 
sharesheet. It just says activity. I use the sharesheet extensively, to add 
stuff to my homescreen, email it, or copy links for web pages. Suffice it to 
say, I use the sharesheet quite extensively.

I might wait for at least 2 or 3 updates before updating. Personally, I'm glad 
I was given a choice. Because I'm on 14.8, and that's where I'm staying for the 
time being. That was the main reason I'd update every year, to keep my Ipad 
secure. But, since it appears that 14 will still get security fixes, then ok. 
There's issues, but it's nothing I can't put up with. Plus, compared to 15 it's 
stable.

I'm not trying to tell you one way or the other whether to update or not. 
That's a personal decision only YOU can make, based on many factors and how 
they come into play in YOUR use case. I'm just saying why I won't update.

> On Sep 19, 2021, at 10:24 PM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
> 
> I don't use folders, and I have no idea what sharesheet is, but I
> don't think I'll be updating tomorrow either.  First, I don't think my
> iPhone has enough space for the update.  Also, I don't like the bug
> about the app switcher not always letting you know what apps are in
> it.  I'll wait a little before updating.  I also don't see anything in
> IOS 15 with my iPhone 8, that would really benefit me.  I've
> personally felt that way about most of the recent updates.  That is
> one reason why I will get a new iPhone next year, since with the
> better chip, I'll have access to new features.
> 
>> On 9/19/21, Dawn Bilpuch  wrote:
>> Yeah. I agree it does look bad. A lot of the bugs I read about when I seen
>> this seem to affect stuff I use daily if not regularly. Such as folders, the
>> sharesheet bug, and apps not being announced in the app switcher.
>> 
>> I don't think I'll update tomorrow either. I wish I could, because some of
>> the features I'm really looking forward to. But, to me, for my use case,
>> it's not worth the risk.
>> I think I'll wait at least a couple versions in before updating, and, I'll
>> be watching AppleVis VERY CLOSELY.
>> 
>> I realize that the decision is personal. And that there's many many
>> different use cases and configurations. But, in my eyes, if you use folders,
>> sharesheet, or anything else that's affected by these bugs, then I wouldn't
>> consider updating.
>> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2021, at 7:47 PM, Rafał Marzec 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I must say that it looks really bad
>>> Probably I will not upgrade till they will fix basic problems
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>> 
 From: The AppleVis Editorial Team 
 Date: 18 September 2021 at 8:57:43 am BST
 To: bluewings1...@gmail.com
 Subject: [AppleVis Newsletter] The Accessibility Bugs Introduced and
 Resolved in iOS 15 and iPadOS 15 for Blind and Low Vision Users
 Reply-To: The AppleVis Editorial Team 
 
 
 View in browser
 
 The Accessibility Bugs Introduced and Resolved in iOS 15 and iPadOS 15
 for Blind and Low Vision Users
 
 iOS 15 and iPadOS 15 will be released to the public on Monday 20
 September, 2021. As is our tradition, we have posted to the AppleVis
 website a list of VoiceOver, low vision, and braille bugs which we
 believe will be introduced in these releases; as well as details of the
 pre-existing bugs which we believe to be resolved.
 
 If you have already read our post to AppleVis, there will be nothing new
 for you in this email, so we apologise for repeating ourselves and wish
 you a great weekend. However, we know that many in our community won’t
 yet have seen the post, so decided to mail it to our newsletter
 subscribers - this should hopefully ensure that as many people as
 possible are aware of what to expect when the public releases of iOS 15
 and iPadOS 15 become available on Monday.
 
 As is our routine practice, each new bug has been given a severity
 rating; these ratings are based upon what we believe to be the
 implications for accessing and using features and functionality and the
 level of impact on the overall user experience, as well as whether or not
 there is an effective workaround for the issue. However, as these ratings
 are subjective, it is very possible that they may not reflect your own
 opinion or use case.
 
 As we always stress, we can make no claims on the completeness or
 accuracy of our testing. We have only a small team of testers, and it is
 simply impossible for us to test all devices, configurations,
 applications, and use cases; this is even more important to note now as
 Apple’s ecosystem c

RE: [AppleVis Newsletter] The Accessibility Bugs Introduced and Resolved in iOS 15 and iPadOS 15 for Blind and Low Vision Users

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hey folks,

Just remember there are a lot of people on these lists that take part in the 
beta testing programs both developer and public user beta testers,

May be ask the question to them if they have identified any of these mentioned 
issues

Or join the beta testers list  and find out more about what people are helping 
correct.

I’ll be updating my primary device tomorrow when things are released,
I’ve got no issue working through problems
It’s called life!

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dawn 
Bilpuch
Sent: Monday, 20 September 2021 12:23 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AppleVis Newsletter] The Accessibility Bugs Introduced and 
Resolved in iOS 15 and iPadOS 15 for Blind and Low Vision Users

Yeah. I agree it does look bad. A lot of the bugs I read about when I seen this 
seem to affect stuff I use daily if not regularly. Such as folders, the 
sharesheet bug, and apps not being announced in the app switcher.

I don't think I'll update tomorrow either. I wish I could, because some of the 
features I'm really looking forward to. But, to me, for my use case, it's not 
worth the risk.
I think I'll wait at least a couple versions in before updating, and, I'll be 
watching AppleVis VERY CLOSELY.

I realize that the decision is personal. And that there's many many different 
use cases and configurations. But, in my eyes, if you use folders, sharesheet, 
or anything else that's affected by these bugs, then I wouldn't consider 
updating.


On Sep 19, 2021, at 7:47 PM, Rafał Marzec 
mailto:bluewings1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I must say that it looks really bad
Probably I will not upgrade till they will fix basic problems
Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:
From: The AppleVis Editorial Team 
mailto:newslet...@applevis.com>>
Date: 18 September 2021 at 8:57:43 am BST
To: bluewings1...@gmail.com<mailto:bluewings1...@gmail.com>
Subject: [AppleVis Newsletter] The Accessibility Bugs Introduced and Resolved 
in iOS 15 and iPadOS 15 for Blind and Low Vision Users
Reply-To: The AppleVis Editorial Team 
mailto:newslet...@applevis.com>>


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The Accessibility Bugs Introduced and Resolved in iOS 15 and iPadOS 15 for 
Blind and Low Vision Users

iOS 15 and iPadOS 15 will be released to the public on Monday 20 September, 
2021. As is our tradition, we have posted to the AppleVis website a list of 
VoiceOver, low vision, and braille bugs which we believe will be introduced in 
these releases; as well as details of the pre-existing bugs which we believe to 
be resolved.

If you have already read our post to AppleVis, there will be nothing new for 
you in this email, so we apologise for repeating ourselves and wish you a great 
weekend. However, we know that many in our community won’t yet have seen the 
post, so decided to mail it to our newsletter subscribers - this should 
hopefully ensure that as many people as possible are aware of what to expect 
when the public releases of iOS 15 and iPadOS 15 become available on Monday.

As is our routine practice, each new bug has been given a severity rating; 
these ratings are based upon what we believe to be the implications for 
accessing and using features and functionality and the level of impact on the 
overall user experience, as well as whether or not there is an effective 
workaround for the issue. However, as these ratings are subjective, it is very 
possible that they may not reflect your own opinion or use case.

As we always stress, we can make no claims on the completeness or accuracy of 
our testing. We have only a small team of testers, and it is simply impossible 
for us to test all devices, configurations, applications, and use cases; this 
is even more important to note now as Apple’s ecosystem continues to expand and 
the number of possible device configurations increases. Some of the bugs listed 
below will be specific to a certain device, configuration or use case. 
Consequently, it is entirely likely that you will not encounter all of what we 
list; and it is also probable that you will encounter bugs or regressions that 
we did not identify during our testing.

We strongly recommend that you read through this email and all of the replies 
to our post on 
AppleVis<https://www.applevis.com/blog/accessibility-bugs-introduced-and-resolved-ios-15-and-ipados-15-blind-and-low-vision-users>
 before updating—as this will allow you to make an informed decision on whether 
to install iOS 15 and iPadOS 15 at the current time or to wait for a future 
release.

To help us ensure that the information is as complete and accurate as possible, 
we would appreciate feedback from those who have installed iOS 15 or iPadOS 15 
—both to confirm whether they are encountering the same problems (or have found 
workarounds), as well

Re: [AppleVis Newsletter] The Accessibility Bugs Introduced and Resolved in iOS 15 and iPadOS 15 for Blind and Low Vision Users

[Joshua Hendrickson]

I don't use folders, and I have no idea what sharesheet is, but I
don't think I'll be updating tomorrow either.  First, I don't think my
iPhone has enough space for the update.  Also, I don't like the bug
about the app switcher not always letting you know what apps are in
it.  I'll wait a little before updating.  I also don't see anything in
IOS 15 with my iPhone 8, that would really benefit me.  I've
personally felt that way about most of the recent updates.  That is
one reason why I will get a new iPhone next year, since with the
better chip, I'll have access to new features.

On 9/19/21, Dawn Bilpuch  wrote:
> Yeah. I agree it does look bad. A lot of the bugs I read about when I seen
> this seem to affect stuff I use daily if not regularly. Such as folders, the
> sharesheet bug, and apps not being announced in the app switcher.
>
> I don't think I'll update tomorrow either. I wish I could, because some of
> the features I'm really looking forward to. But, to me, for my use case,
> it's not worth the risk.
> I think I'll wait at least a couple versions in before updating, and, I'll
> be watching AppleVis VERY CLOSELY.
>
> I realize that the decision is personal. And that there's many many
> different use cases and configurations. But, in my eyes, if you use folders,
> sharesheet, or anything else that's affected by these bugs, then I wouldn't
> consider updating.
>
>> On Sep 19, 2021, at 7:47 PM, Rafał Marzec 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I must say that it looks really bad
>> Probably I will not upgrade till they will fix basic problems
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>>> From: The AppleVis Editorial Team 
>>> Date: 18 September 2021 at 8:57:43 am BST
>>> To: bluewings1...@gmail.com
>>> Subject: [AppleVis Newsletter] The Accessibility Bugs Introduced and
>>> Resolved in iOS 15 and iPadOS 15 for Blind and Low Vision Users
>>> Reply-To: The AppleVis Editorial Team 
>>>
>>> 
>>> View in browser
>>>
>>> The Accessibility Bugs Introduced and Resolved in iOS 15 and iPadOS 15
>>> for Blind and Low Vision Users
>>>
>>> iOS 15 and iPadOS 15 will be released to the public on Monday 20
>>> September, 2021. As is our tradition, we have posted to the AppleVis
>>> website a list of VoiceOver, low vision, and braille bugs which we
>>> believe will be introduced in these releases; as well as details of the
>>> pre-existing bugs which we believe to be resolved.
>>>
>>> If you have already read our post to AppleVis, there will be nothing new
>>> for you in this email, so we apologise for repeating ourselves and wish
>>> you a great weekend. However, we know that many in our community won’t
>>> yet have seen the post, so decided to mail it to our newsletter
>>> subscribers - this should hopefully ensure that as many people as
>>> possible are aware of what to expect when the public releases of iOS 15
>>> and iPadOS 15 become available on Monday.
>>>
>>> As is our routine practice, each new bug has been given a severity
>>> rating; these ratings are based upon what we believe to be the
>>> implications for accessing and using features and functionality and the
>>> level of impact on the overall user experience, as well as whether or not
>>> there is an effective workaround for the issue. However, as these ratings
>>> are subjective, it is very possible that they may not reflect your own
>>> opinion or use case.
>>>
>>> As we always stress, we can make no claims on the completeness or
>>> accuracy of our testing. We have only a small team of testers, and it is
>>> simply impossible for us to test all devices, configurations,
>>> applications, and use cases; this is even more important to note now as
>>> Apple’s ecosystem continues to expand and the number of possible device
>>> configurations increases. Some of the bugs listed below will be specific
>>> to a certain device, configuration or use case. Consequently, it is
>>> entirely likely that you will not encounter all of what we list; and it
>>> is also probable that you will encounter bugs or regressions that we did
>>> not identify during our testing.
>>>
>>> We strongly recommend that you read through this email and all of the
>>> replies to our post on AppleVis before updating—as this will allow you to
>>> make an informed decision on whether to install iOS 15 and iPadOS 15 at
>>> the current time or to wait for a future release.
>>>
>>> To help us ensure that the information is as complete and accurate as
>>> possible, we would appreciate feedback from those who have installed iOS
>>> 15 or iPadOS 15 —both to confirm whether they are encountering the same
>>> problems (or have found workarounds), as well as to let us know of any
>>> additional issues that are not on this list. Of course, it’s even more
>>> important that you let Apple know of any additional bugs that you find
>>> (they already know about the ones currently listed here and are actively
>>> working on resolving them). This post explains why you should report bugs
>>> directly to Apple

Re: [AppleVis Newsletter] The Accessibility Bugs Introduced and Resolved in iOS 15 and iPadOS 15 for Blind and Low Vision Users

[Gerardo Corripio]

Me too! I was realY looking forward especially to trying out the "Focus" 
feature! but yes I find too the bugs might interfeer with my iPhone's daily 
use/effectiveness, thus I tino plan to wait at least for the next update before 
taking the plunge.

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

> El 19 sep 2021, a la(s) 7:22 p.m., Dawn Bilpuch  
> escribió:
> 
> 
> Yeah. I agree it does look bad. A lot of the bugs I read about when I seen 
> this seem to affect stuff I use daily if not regularly. Such as folders, the 
> sharesheet bug, and apps not being announced in the app switcher.
> 
> I don't think I'll update tomorrow either. I wish I could, because some of 
> the features I'm really looking forward to. But, to me, for my use case, it's 
> not worth the risk.
> I think I'll wait at least a couple versions in before updating, and, I'll be 
> watching AppleVis VERY CLOSELY.
> 
> I realize that the decision is personal. And that there's many many different 
> use cases and configurations. But, in my eyes, if you use folders, 
> sharesheet, or anything else that's affected by these bugs, then I wouldn't 
> consider updating.
> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2021, at 7:47 PM, Rafał Marzec  wrote:
>>> 
>> I must say that it looks really bad
>> Probably I will not upgrade till they will fix basic problems
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>>> From: The AppleVis Editorial Team 
>>> Date: 18 September 2021 at 8:57:43 am BST
>>> To: bluewings1...@gmail.com
>>> Subject: [AppleVis Newsletter] The Accessibility Bugs Introduced and 
>>> Resolved in iOS 15 and iPadOS 15 for Blind and Low Vision Users
>>> Reply-To: The AppleVis Editorial Team 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> View in browser
>>> 
>>> The Accessibility Bugs Introduced and Resolved in iOS 15 and iPadOS 15 for 
>>> Blind and Low Vision Users
>>> 
>>> iOS 15 and iPadOS 15 will be released to the public on Monday 20 September, 
>>> 2021. As is our tradition, we have posted to the AppleVis website a list of 
>>> VoiceOver, low vision, and braille bugs which we believe will be introduced 
>>> in these releases; as well as details of the pre-existing bugs which we 
>>> believe to be resolved.
>>> 
>>> If you have already read our post to AppleVis, there will be nothing new 
>>> for you in this email, so we apologise for repeating ourselves and wish you 
>>> a great weekend. However, we know that many in our community won’t yet have 
>>> seen the post, so decided to mail it to our newsletter subscribers - this 
>>> should hopefully ensure that as many people as possible are aware of what 
>>> to expect when the public releases of iOS 15 and iPadOS 15 become available 
>>> on Monday.
>>> 
>>> As is our routine practice, each new bug has been given a severity rating; 
>>> these ratings are based upon what we believe to be the implications for 
>>> accessing and using features and functionality and the level of impact on 
>>> the overall user experience, as well as whether or not there is an 
>>> effective workaround for the issue. However, as these ratings are 
>>> subjective, it is very possible that they may not reflect your own opinion 
>>> or use case.
>>> 
>>> As we always stress, we can make no claims on the completeness or accuracy 
>>> of our testing. We have only a small team of testers, and it is simply 
>>> impossible for us to test all devices, configurations, applications, and 
>>> use cases; this is even more important to note now as Apple’s ecosystem 
>>> continues to expand and the number of possible device configurations 
>>> increases. Some of the bugs listed below will be specific to a certain 
>>> device, configuration or use case. Consequently, it is entirely likely that 
>>> you will not encounter all of what we list; and it is also probable that 
>>> you will encounter bugs or regressions that we did not identify during our 
>>> testing.
>>> 
>>> We strongly recommend that you read through this email and all of the 
>>> replies to our post on AppleVis before updating—as this will allow you to 
>>> make an informed decision on whether to install iOS 15 and iPadOS 15 at the 
>>> current time or to wait for a future release.
>>> 
>>> To help us ensure that the information is as complete and accurate as 
>>> possible, we would appreciate feedback from those who have installed iOS 15 
>>> or iPadOS 15 —both to confirm whether they are encountering the same 
>>> problems (or have found workarounds), as well as to let us know of any 
>>> additional issues that are not on this list. Of course, it’s even more 
>>> important that you let Apple know of any additional bugs that you find 
>>> (they already know about the ones currently listed here and are actively 
>>> working on resolving them). This post explains why you should report bugs 
>>> directly to Apple, as well as the best ways to do so.
>>> 
>>> With all of the preamble out of the way, here are the new bugs for blind 
>>> and low vision users which we believe to be present 

Re: [AppleVis Newsletter] The Accessibility Bugs Introduced and Resolved in iOS 15 and iPadOS 15 for Blind and Low Vision Users

[Dawn Bilpuch]

Yeah. I agree it does look bad. A lot of the bugs I read about when I seen this 
seem to affect stuff I use daily if not regularly. Such as folders, the 
sharesheet bug, and apps not being announced in the app switcher.

I don't think I'll update tomorrow either. I wish I could, because some of the 
features I'm really looking forward to. But, to me, for my use case, it's not 
worth the risk.
I think I'll wait at least a couple versions in before updating, and, I'll be 
watching AppleVis VERY CLOSELY.

I realize that the decision is personal. And that there's many many different 
use cases and configurations. But, in my eyes, if you use folders, sharesheet, 
or anything else that's affected by these bugs, then I wouldn't consider 
updating.

> On Sep 19, 2021, at 7:47 PM, Rafał Marzec  wrote:
> 
> I must say that it looks really bad
> Probably I will not upgrade till they will fix basic problems
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> From: The AppleVis Editorial Team 
>> Date: 18 September 2021 at 8:57:43 am BST
>> To: bluewings1...@gmail.com
>> Subject: [AppleVis Newsletter] The Accessibility Bugs Introduced and 
>> Resolved in iOS 15 and iPadOS 15 for Blind and Low Vision Users
>> Reply-To: The AppleVis Editorial Team 
>> 
>> 
>> View in browser
>> 
>> The Accessibility Bugs Introduced and Resolved in iOS 15 and iPadOS 15 for 
>> Blind and Low Vision Users
>> 
>> iOS 15 and iPadOS 15 will be released to the public on Monday 20 September, 
>> 2021. As is our tradition, we have posted to the AppleVis website a list of 
>> VoiceOver, low vision, and braille bugs which we believe will be introduced 
>> in these releases; as well as details of the pre-existing bugs which we 
>> believe to be resolved.
>> 
>> If you have already read our post to AppleVis, there will be nothing new for 
>> you in this email, so we apologise for repeating ourselves and wish you a 
>> great weekend. However, we know that many in our community won’t yet have 
>> seen the post, so decided to mail it to our newsletter subscribers - this 
>> should hopefully ensure that as many people as possible are aware of what to 
>> expect when the public releases of iOS 15 and iPadOS 15 become available on 
>> Monday.
>> 
>> As is our routine practice, each new bug has been given a severity rating; 
>> these ratings are based upon what we believe to be the implications for 
>> accessing and using features and functionality and the level of impact on 
>> the overall user experience, as well as whether or not there is an effective 
>> workaround for the issue. However, as these ratings are subjective, it is 
>> very possible that they may not reflect your own opinion or use case.
>> 
>> As we always stress, we can make no claims on the completeness or accuracy 
>> of our testing. We have only a small team of testers, and it is simply 
>> impossible for us to test all devices, configurations, applications, and use 
>> cases; this is even more important to note now as Apple’s ecosystem 
>> continues to expand and the number of possible device configurations 
>> increases. Some of the bugs listed below will be specific to a certain 
>> device, configuration or use case. Consequently, it is entirely likely that 
>> you will not encounter all of what we list; and it is also probable that you 
>> will encounter bugs or regressions that we did not identify during our 
>> testing.
>> 
>> We strongly recommend that you read through this email and all of the 
>> replies to our post on AppleVis before updating—as this will allow you to 
>> make an informed decision on whether to install iOS 15 and iPadOS 15 at the 
>> current time or to wait for a future release.
>> 
>> To help us ensure that the information is as complete and accurate as 
>> possible, we would appreciate feedback from those who have installed iOS 15 
>> or iPadOS 15 —both to confirm whether they are encountering the same 
>> problems (or have found workarounds), as well as to let us know of any 
>> additional issues that are not on this list. Of course, it’s even more 
>> important that you let Apple know of any additional bugs that you find (they 
>> already know about the ones currently listed here and are actively working 
>> on resolving them). This post explains why you should report bugs directly 
>> to Apple, as well as the best ways to do so.
>> 
>> With all of the preamble out of the way, here are the new bugs for blind and 
>> low vision users which we believe to be present in iOS 15 and iPadOS 15:
>> 
>> Serious Bugs
>> 
>> Apple Wallet will crash if you attempt to use any card, ticket, or pass 
>> other than the first one listed. As a workaround, our experience suggests 
>> that whilst on this screen you should be able to use “Move up” from the 
>> VoiceOver rotor on the desired card, ticket or pass to temporarily move it 
>> to the top of the list. Unfortunately, in our own testing, this process 
>> hasn’t always behaved as expected or been reliable.
>>