Re: AIPoly VS CamFind
hi Richard, After my less than stellar experience with a aiPoly vision, together with my usual success with CamFind, I got my partner to try out a aiPoly for me, lest it was user error on my part, and we discovered that, for him, while it works, it is incredibly inaccurate. however, I will not delete it because I am sure that real-time video object identification is the way to go. I think, with time, this will improve and our findings and addings to the library is one way for it to do so. for me, the time lag is crucial! probably, we should all submit our experiences and findings with the app in the hopes that they will improve it. thoughts, Sandy Sent from my iPhone > On 11 Jan 2016, at 00:18, Richard Turner wrote: > > I compared AIPoly with Camfind, both with color and objects. > Here are my results for color. > Navy blue sweat pants: AIPoly had various shades of gray, CamFind said black > (which is much closer.) > Oak end table: aIPoly said various shades of gray, CamFind said brown. > > Medium blue recliner: AIPoly said gray, Camfind said blue. > > My wife, who is sighted, said the bright light with AIPoly made everything > look gray. It is too bad they don't give you the option to not use the flash. > With objects, CamFind even identified the oak end table as a wood table from > just a small corner, while AIPoly said it wasn't sure. > Camfind also identified the sweat pants and recliner correctly. > I have now deleted AIPoly. > Richard > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - > you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: AIPoly VS CamFind
Did you find a way to submit feedback? I didn't. Of course, I did not spend a lot of time trying. Thanks, Richard > On Jan 11, 2016, at 1:55 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone > wrote: > > hi Richard, > After my less than stellar experience with a aiPoly vision, together with my > usual success with CamFind, I got my partner to try out a aiPoly for me, lest > it was user error on my part, and we discovered that, for him, while it > works, it is incredibly inaccurate. however, I will not delete it because I > am sure that real-time video object identification is the way to go. I think, > with time, this will improve and our findings and addings to the library is > one way for it to do so. for me, the time lag is crucial! probably, we should > all submit our experiences and findings with the app in the hopes that they > will improve it. > > thoughts, Sandy > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 11 Jan 2016, at 00:18, Richard Turner wrote: >> >> I compared AIPoly with Camfind, both with color and objects. >> Here are my results for color. >> Navy blue sweat pants: AIPoly had various shades of gray, CamFind said black >> (which is much closer.) >> Oak end table: aIPoly said various shades of gray, CamFind said brown. >> >> Medium blue recliner: AIPoly said gray, Camfind said blue. >> >> My wife, who is sighted, said the bright light with AIPoly made everything >> look gray. It is too bad they don't give you the option to not use the flash. >> With objects, CamFind even identified the oak end table as a wood table from >> just a small corner, while AIPoly said it wasn't sure. >> Camfind also identified the sweat pants and recliner correctly. >> I have now deleted AIPoly. >> Richard >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - >> you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "VIPhone" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - > you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: AIPoly VS CamFind
Richard, No I haven't discovered how to give feedback other than with the "pen" or was it pencil? I shall try playing with that feature. Good luck, Sandy Sent from my iPhone > On 11 Jan 2016, at 16:17, Richard Turner wrote: > > > Did you find a way to submit feedback? > I didn't. > Of course, I did not spend a lot of time trying. > Thanks, > Richard > > >> On Jan 11, 2016, at 1:55 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone >> wrote: >> >> hi Richard, >> After my less than stellar experience with a aiPoly vision, together with my >> usual success with CamFind, I got my partner to try out a aiPoly for me, >> lest it was user error on my part, and we discovered that, for him, while it >> works, it is incredibly inaccurate. however, I will not delete it because I >> am sure that real-time video object identification is the way to go. I >> think, with time, this will improve and our findings and addings to the >> library is one way for it to do so. for me, the time lag is crucial! >> probably, we should all submit our experiences and findings with the app in >> the hopes that they will improve it. >> >> thoughts, Sandy >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On 11 Jan 2016, at 00:18, Richard Turner >>> wrote: >>> >>> I compared AIPoly with Camfind, both with color and objects. >>> Here are my results for color. >>> Navy blue sweat pants: AIPoly had various shades of gray, CamFind said >>> black (which is much closer.) >>> Oak end table: aIPoly said various shades of gray, CamFind said brown. >>> >>> Medium blue recliner: AIPoly said gray, Camfind said blue. >>> >>> My wife, who is sighted, said the bright light with AIPoly made everything >>> look gray. It is too bad they don't give you the option to not use the >>> flash. >>> With objects, CamFind even identified the oak end table as a wood table >>> from just a small corner, while AIPoly said it wasn't sure. >>> Camfind also identified the sweat pants and recliner correctly. >>> I have now deleted AIPoly. >>> Richard >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners >>> or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>> >>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - >>> you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>> >>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "VIPhone" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - >> you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "VIPhone" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - > you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following
Re: AIPoly VS CamFind
I have just a couple of thoughts about Aipoly. I really believe they are on to something, so I will continue to try to work with them. Most of us can't remember how terrible OCR was in its beginning days - how even with the best of programs we were lucky to get 85% recognition. And look where OCR for the blind is now because we saw the potential, worked with manufacturers, and refused to give up a dream. That is my personal thinking about Aipoly. Now for my frustration. I tried to submit a review on my iPhone 6. I could rate the program and title the review, but when I got to the writing section of the review, it completely kicked me out. I tried this on multiple occasions. I emailed the Aipoly Team but have yet to hear back, and this was the first day it came out. If Aipoly truly wants to develop the potential of this app, there has to be an acceptable way for us to give feedback. I don't do reviews in iTunes generally, and, when I tried, I got nowhere. So, if anyone from Aipoly is monitoring this list, some of us believe in you, but you have to find a convenient way for us to communicate with you. We really are the key to your success. On Tuesday, January 12, 2016 at 4:33:55 AM UTC-6, sandy wrote: > > Richard, > No I haven't discovered how to give feedback other than with the "pen" or > was it pencil? I shall try playing with that feature. > Good luck, Sandy > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On 11 Jan 2016, at 16:17, Richard Turner > wrote: > > > > > > Did you find a way to submit feedback? > > I didn't. > > Of course, I did not spend a lot of time trying. > > Thanks, > > Richard > > > > > >> On Jan 11, 2016, at 1:55 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone < > vip...@googlegroups.com > wrote: > >> > >> hi Richard, > >> After my less than stellar experience with a aiPoly vision, together > with my usual success with CamFind, I got my partner to try out a aiPoly > for me, lest it was user error on my part, and we discovered that, for him, > while it works, it is incredibly inaccurate. however, I will not delete it > because I am sure that real-time video object identification is the way to > go. I think, with time, this will improve and our findings and addings to > the library is one way for it to do so. for me, the time lag is crucial! > probably, we should all submit our experiences and findings with the app in > the hopes that they will improve it. > >> > >> thoughts, Sandy > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>> On 11 Jan 2016, at 00:18, Richard Turner > wrote: > >>> > >>> I compared AIPoly with Camfind, both with color and objects. > >>> Here are my results for color. > >>> Navy blue sweat pants: AIPoly had various shades of gray, CamFind said > black (which is much closer.) > >>> Oak end table: aIPoly said various shades of gray, CamFind said brown. > >>> > >>> Medium blue recliner: AIPoly said gray, Camfind said blue. > >>> > >>> My wife, who is sighted, said the bright light with AIPoly made > everything look gray. It is too bad they don't give you the option to not > use the flash. > >>> With objects, CamFind even identified the oak end table as a wood > table from just a small corner, while AIPoly said it wasn't sure. > >>> Camfind also identified the sweat pants and recliner correctly. > >>> I have now deleted AIPoly. > >>> Richard > >>> > >>> -- > >>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone > list. > >>> > >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, > or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the > owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > >>> > >>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara > Quinn - you can reach Cara at cara...@caraquinn.com > >>> > >>> The archives for this list can be searched at: > >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > >>> --- > >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "VIPhone" group. > >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to viphone+u...@googlegroups.com . > >>> To post to this group, send email to vip...@googlegroups.com > . > >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > >> > >> -- > >> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone > list. > >> > >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, > or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the > owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > >> > >> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara > Quinn - you can reach Cara at cara...@caraquinn.com > >> > >> The archives for this list can be searched at: > >> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > >> ---
Re: AIPoly VS CamFind
Would you share the email address you have for the AIPoly team? Also, the problem with submitting reviews is an Apple issue, which I have reported a couple times to the accessibility team at Apple. I'd suggest everyone else having issues submitting reviews do the same. accessibil...@apple.com Richard > On Jan 12, 2016, at 6:26 AM, Keith B. wrote: > > I have just a couple of thoughts about Aipoly. I really believe they are on > to something, so I will continue to try to work with them. Most of us can't > remember how terrible OCR was in its beginning days - how even with the best > of programs we were lucky to get 85% recognition. And look where OCR for the > blind is now because we saw the potential, worked with manufacturers, and > refused to give up a dream. That is my personal thinking about Aipoly. > > Now for my frustration. I tried to submit a review on my iPhone 6. I could > rate the program and title the review, but when I got to the writing section > of the review, it completely kicked me out. I tried this on multiple > occasions. I emailed the Aipoly Team but have yet to hear back, and this was > the first day it came out. > > If Aipoly truly wants to develop the potential of this app, there has to be > an acceptable way for us to give feedback. I don't do reviews in iTunes > generally, and, when I tried, I got nowhere. So, if anyone from Aipoly is > monitoring this list, some of us believe in you, but you have to find a > convenient way for us to communicate with you. We really are the key to your > success. > >> On Tuesday, January 12, 2016 at 4:33:55 AM UTC-6, sandy wrote: >> Richard, >> No I haven't discovered how to give feedback other than with the "pen" or >> was it pencil? I shall try playing with that feature. >> Good luck, Sandy >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On 11 Jan 2016, at 16:17, Richard Turner wrote: >> > >> > >> > Did you find a way to submit feedback? >> > I didn't. >> > Of course, I did not spend a lot of time trying. >> > Thanks, >> > Richard >> > >> > >> >> On Jan 11, 2016, at 1:55 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> hi Richard, >> >> After my less than stellar experience with a aiPoly vision, together with >> >> my usual success with CamFind, I got my partner to try out a aiPoly for >> >> me, lest it was user error on my part, and we discovered that, for him, >> >> while it works, it is incredibly inaccurate. however, I will not delete >> >> it because I am sure that real-time video object identification is the >> >> way to go. I think, with time, this will improve and our findings and >> >> addings to the library is one way for it to do so. for me, the time lag >> >> is crucial! probably, we should all submit our experiences and findings >> >> with the app in the hopes that they will improve it. >> >> >> >> thoughts, Sandy >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> >>> On 11 Jan 2016, at 00:18, Richard Turner wrote: >> >>> >> >>> I compared AIPoly with Camfind, both with color and objects. >> >>> Here are my results for color. >> >>> Navy blue sweat pants: AIPoly had various shades of gray, CamFind said >> >>> black (which is much closer.) >> >>> Oak end table: aIPoly said various shades of gray, CamFind said brown. >> >>> >> >>> Medium blue recliner: AIPoly said gray, Camfind said blue. >> >>> >> >>> My wife, who is sighted, said the bright light with AIPoly made >> >>> everything look gray. It is too bad they don't give you the option to >> >>> not use the flash. >> >>> With objects, CamFind even identified the oak end table as a wood table >> >>> from just a small corner, while AIPoly said it wasn't sure. >> >>> Camfind also identified the sweat pants and recliner correctly. >> >>> I have now deleted AIPoly. >> >>> Richard >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone >> >>> list. >> >>> >> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >> >>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >> >>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >>> >> >>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn >> >>> - you can reach Cara at cara...@caraquinn.com >> >>> >> >>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >> >>> --- >> >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> >>> Groups "VIPhone" group. >> >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >> >>> an email to viphone+u...@googlegroups.com. >> >>> To post to this group, send email to vip...@googlegroups.com. >> >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. >> >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> >> >> -- >> >> The following information is important for all members of the V
RE: AIPoly VS CamFind
Hi Richard, I just Googled “Aipoly Vision” and found their website at www.aipoly.com <http://www.aipoly.com> . Interestingly enough there seems to be no “Contact Us”, a link to submit a feedback/support form or an email for support. However, when I clicked on the “Press” link, I found an email address for press and interview inquiries. It is t...@aipoly.com <mailto:t...@aipoly.com> . Maybe supp...@aipoly.com <mailto:supp...@aipoly.com> would work, but I agree that while it’s nice to see that they are trying to get main stream media coverage, they should be working closely with the people which the app is intended for. I guess let’s see if Aipoly is still around in a year or two and how many updates and improvements it has received. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 6:32 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: AIPoly VS CamFind Would you share the email address you have for the AIPoly team? Also, the problem with submitting reviews is an Apple issue, which I have reported a couple times to the accessibility team at Apple. I'd suggest everyone else having issues submitting reviews do the same. accessibil...@apple.com <mailto:accessibil...@apple.com> Richard On Jan 12, 2016, at 6:26 AM, Keith B. mailto:kb5...@gmail.com> > wrote: I have just a couple of thoughts about Aipoly. I really believe they are on to something, so I will continue to try to work with them. Most of us can't remember how terrible OCR was in its beginning days - how even with the best of programs we were lucky to get 85% recognition. And look where OCR for the blind is now because we saw the potential, worked with manufacturers, and refused to give up a dream. That is my personal thinking about Aipoly. Now for my frustration. I tried to submit a review on my iPhone 6. I could rate the program and title the review, but when I got to the writing section of the review, it completely kicked me out. I tried this on multiple occasions. I emailed the Aipoly Team but have yet to hear back, and this was the first day it came out. If Aipoly truly wants to develop the potential of this app, there has to be an acceptable way for us to give feedback. I don't do reviews in iTunes generally, and, when I tried, I got nowhere. So, if anyone from Aipoly is monitoring this list, some of us believe in you, but you have to find a convenient way for us to communicate with you. We really are the key to your success. On Tuesday, January 12, 2016 at 4:33:55 AM UTC-6, sandy wrote: Richard, No I haven't discovered how to give feedback other than with the "pen" or was it pencil? I shall try playing with that feature. Good luck, Sandy Sent from my iPhone > On 11 Jan 2016, at 16:17, Richard Turner > wrote: > > > Did you find a way to submit feedback? > I didn't. > Of course, I did not spend a lot of time trying. > Thanks, > Richard > > >> On Jan 11, 2016, at 1:55 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone >> > wrote: >> >> hi Richard, >> After my less than stellar experience with a aiPoly vision, together with my >> usual success with CamFind, I got my partner to try out a aiPoly for me, >> lest it was user error on my part, and we discovered that, for him, while it >> works, it is incredibly inaccurate. however, I will not delete it because I >> am sure that real-time video object identification is the way to go. I >> think, with time, this will improve and our findings and addings to the >> library is one way for it to do so. for me, the time lag is crucial! >> probably, we should all submit our experiences and findings with the app in >> the hopes that they will improve it. >> >> thoughts, Sandy >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On 11 Jan 2016, at 00:18, Richard Turner >> > wrote: >>> >>> I compared AIPoly with Camfind, both with color and objects. >>> Here are my results for color. >>> Navy blue sweat pants: AIPoly had various shades of gray, CamFind said >>> black (which is much closer.) >>> Oak end table: aIPoly said various shades of gray, CamFind said brown. >>> >>> Medium blue recliner: AIPoly said gray, Camfind said blue. >>> >>> My wife, who is sighted, said the bright light with AIPoly made everything >>> look gray. It is too bad they don't give you the option to not use the >>> flash. >>> With objects, CamFind even identified the oak end table as a wood table >>> from just a small corner, while AIPoly said it wasn't sure. >>> Camfind also identified the swe
Re: AIPoly VS CamFind
Hi, Richard. The address Sieghard gave is the one I have - t...@aipoly.com. I have yet to receive a response. On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:31 AM, Richard Turner wrote: > Would you share the email address you have for the AIPoly team? > Also, the problem with submitting reviews is an Apple issue, which I have > reported a couple times to the accessibility team at Apple. I'd suggest > everyone else having issues submitting reviews do the same. > accessibil...@apple.com > > > Richard > > > On Jan 12, 2016, at 6:26 AM, Keith B. wrote: > > I have just a couple of thoughts about Aipoly. I really believe they are > on to something, so I will continue to try to work with them. Most of us > can't remember how terrible OCR was in its beginning days - how even with > the best of programs we were lucky to get 85% recognition. And look where > OCR for the blind is now because we saw the potential, worked with > manufacturers, and refused to give up a dream. That is my personal thinking > about Aipoly. > > Now for my frustration. I tried to submit a review on my iPhone 6. I could > rate the program and title the review, but when I got to the writing > section of the review, it completely kicked me out. I tried this on > multiple occasions. I emailed the Aipoly Team but have yet to hear back, > and this was the first day it came out. > > If Aipoly truly wants to develop the potential of this app, there has to > be an acceptable way for us to give feedback. I don't do reviews in iTunes > generally, and, when I tried, I got nowhere. So, if anyone from Aipoly is > monitoring this list, some of us believe in you, but you have to find a > convenient way for us to communicate with you. We really are the key to > your success. > > On Tuesday, January 12, 2016 at 4:33:55 AM UTC-6, sandy wrote: >> >> Richard, >> No I haven't discovered how to give feedback other than with the "pen" or >> was it pencil? I shall try playing with that feature. >> Good luck, Sandy >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On 11 Jan 2016, at 16:17, Richard Turner >> wrote: >> > >> > >> > Did you find a way to submit feedback? >> > I didn't. >> > Of course, I did not spend a lot of time trying. >> > Thanks, >> > Richard >> > >> > >> >> On Jan 11, 2016, at 1:55 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone < >> vip...@googlegroups.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> hi Richard, >> >> After my less than stellar experience with a aiPoly vision, together >> with my usual success with CamFind, I got my partner to try out a aiPoly >> for me, lest it was user error on my part, and we discovered that, for him, >> while it works, it is incredibly inaccurate. however, I will not delete it >> because I am sure that real-time video object identification is the way to >> go. I think, with time, this will improve and our findings and addings to >> the library is one way for it to do so. for me, the time lag is crucial! >> probably, we should all submit our experiences and findings with the app in >> the hopes that they will improve it. >> >> >> >> thoughts, Sandy >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> >>> On 11 Jan 2016, at 00:18, Richard Turner >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> I compared AIPoly with Camfind, both with color and objects. >> >>> Here are my results for color. >> >>> Navy blue sweat pants: AIPoly had various shades of gray, CamFind >> said black (which is much closer.) >> >>> Oak end table: aIPoly said various shades of gray, CamFind said >> brown. >> >>> >> >>> Medium blue recliner: AIPoly said gray, Camfind said blue. >> >>> >> >>> My wife, who is sighted, said the bright light with AIPoly made >> everything look gray. It is too bad they don't give you the option to not >> use the flash. >> >>> With objects, CamFind even identified the oak end table as a wood >> table from just a small corner, while AIPoly said it wasn't sure. >> >>> Camfind also identified the sweat pants and recliner correctly. >> >>> I have now deleted AIPoly. >> >>> Richard >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> The following information is important for all members of the V >> iPhone list. >> >>> >> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, >> or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >>> >> >>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara >> Quinn - you can reach Cara at cara...@caraquinn.com >> >>> >> >>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >> >>> --- >> >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "VIPhone" group. >> >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >> send an email to viphone+u...@googlegroups.com. >> >>> To post to this group, send email to vip...@googlegroups.com. >> >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. >> >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> >> >> -- >> >> The fo
Re: AIPoly VS CamFind
hi, For those who wish to contact me I Polyvision, I think I joined a sort of beta mailing list. anyway, the address for this list seems to be, alrialbe...@gmail.com hope it works as I haven't heard anything back from them yet. Sandy Sent from my iPhone > On 12 Jan 2016, at 15:59, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > > Hi Richard, > > I just Googled “Aipoly Vision” and found their website at www.aipoly.com. > Interestingly enough there seems to be no “Contact Us”, a link to submit a > feedback/support form or an email for support. However, when I clicked on the > “Press” link, I found an email address for press and interview inquiries. It > is t...@aipoly.com. Maybe supp...@aipoly.com would work, but I agree that > while it’s nice to see that they are trying to get main stream media > coverage, they should be working closely with the people which the app is > intended for. I guess let’s see if Aipoly is still around in a year or two > and how many updates and improvements it has received. > > > Regards, > Sieghard > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Richard Turner > Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 6:32 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: AIPoly VS CamFind > > Would you share the email address you have for the AIPoly team? > Also, the problem with submitting reviews is an Apple issue, which I have > reported a couple times to the accessibility team at Apple. I'd suggest > everyone else having issues submitting reviews do the same. > accessibil...@apple.com > > > Richard > > > On Jan 12, 2016, at 6:26 AM, Keith B. wrote: > > I have just a couple of thoughts about Aipoly. I really believe they are on > to something, so I will continue to try to work with them. Most of us can't > remember how terrible OCR was in its beginning days - how even with the best > of programs we were lucky to get 85% recognition. And look where OCR for the > blind is now because we saw the potential, worked with manufacturers, and > refused to give up a dream. That is my personal thinking about Aipoly. > > Now for my frustration. I tried to submit a review on my iPhone 6. I could > rate the program and title the review, but when I got to the writing section > of the review, it completely kicked me out. I tried this on multiple > occasions. I emailed the Aipoly Team but have yet to hear back, and this was > the first day it came out. > > If Aipoly truly wants to develop the potential of this app, there has to be > an acceptable way for us to give feedback. I don't do reviews in iTunes > generally, and, when I tried, I got nowhere. So, if anyone from Aipoly is > monitoring this list, some of us believe in you, but you have to find a > convenient way for us to communicate with you. We really are the key to your > success. > > On Tuesday, January 12, 2016 at 4:33:55 AM UTC-6, sandy wrote: > Richard, > No I haven't discovered how to give feedback other than with the "pen" or was > it pencil? I shall try playing with that feature. > Good luck, Sandy > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On 11 Jan 2016, at 16:17, Richard Turner wrote: > > > > > > Did you find a way to submit feedback? > > I didn't. > > Of course, I did not spend a lot of time trying. > > Thanks, > > Richard > > > > > >> On Jan 11, 2016, at 1:55 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone > >> wrote: > >> > >> hi Richard, > >> After my less than stellar experience with a aiPoly vision, together with > >> my usual success with CamFind, I got my partner to try out a aiPoly for > >> me, lest it was user error on my part, and we discovered that, for him, > >> while it works, it is incredibly inaccurate. however, I will not delete it > >> because I am sure that real-time video object identification is the way to > >> go. I think, with time, this will improve and our findings and addings to > >> the library is one way for it to do so. for me, the time lag is crucial! > >> probably, we should all submit our experiences and findings with the app > >> in the hopes that they will improve it. > >> > >> thoughts, Sandy > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>> On 11 Jan 2016, at 00:18, Richard Turner wrote: > >>> > >>> I compared AIPoly with Camfind, both with color and objects. > >>> Here are my results for color. > >>> Navy blue sweat pants: AIPoly had various shades of gray, CamFind said > >>> black (which is much closer.)
Re: AIPoly VS CamFind
Hi, I tried both the apps and find cam find is more precise but video is so convenient. Btw, it is possible to turn the flash off for marginally better colour results in settings. Turn torch off there. Hth, Ioana Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 12, 2016, at 10:59 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > > Hi Richard, > > I just Googled “Aipoly Vision” and found their website at www.aipoly.com. > Interestingly enough there seems to be no “Contact Us”, a link to submit a > feedback/support form or an email for support. However, when I clicked on the > “Press” link, I found an email address for press and interview inquiries. It > is t...@aipoly.com. Maybe supp...@aipoly.com would work, but I agree that > while it’s nice to see that they are trying to get main stream media > coverage, they should be working closely with the people which the app is > intended for. I guess let’s see if Aipoly is still around in a year or two > and how many updates and improvements it has received. > > > Regards, > Sieghard > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Richard Turner > Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 6:32 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: AIPoly VS CamFind > > Would you share the email address you have for the AIPoly team? > Also, the problem with submitting reviews is an Apple issue, which I have > reported a couple times to the accessibility team at Apple. I'd suggest > everyone else having issues submitting reviews do the same. > accessibil...@apple.com > > > Richard > > > On Jan 12, 2016, at 6:26 AM, Keith B. wrote: > > I have just a couple of thoughts about Aipoly. I really believe they are on > to something, so I will continue to try to work with them. Most of us can't > remember how terrible OCR was in its beginning days - how even with the best > of programs we were lucky to get 85% recognition. And look where OCR for the > blind is now because we saw the potential, worked with manufacturers, and > refused to give up a dream. That is my personal thinking about Aipoly. > > Now for my frustration. I tried to submit a review on my iPhone 6. I could > rate the program and title the review, but when I got to the writing section > of the review, it completely kicked me out. I tried this on multiple > occasions. I emailed the Aipoly Team but have yet to hear back, and this was > the first day it came out. > > If Aipoly truly wants to develop the potential of this app, there has to be > an acceptable way for us to give feedback. I don't do reviews in iTunes > generally, and, when I tried, I got nowhere. So, if anyone from Aipoly is > monitoring this list, some of us believe in you, but you have to find a > convenient way for us to communicate with you. We really are the key to your > success. > > On Tuesday, January 12, 2016 at 4:33:55 AM UTC-6, sandy wrote: > Richard, > No I haven't discovered how to give feedback other than with the "pen" or was > it pencil? I shall try playing with that feature. > Good luck, Sandy > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On 11 Jan 2016, at 16:17, Richard Turner wrote: > > > > > > Did you find a way to submit feedback? > > I didn't. > > Of course, I did not spend a lot of time trying. > > Thanks, > > Richard > > > > > >> On Jan 11, 2016, at 1:55 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone > >> wrote: > >> > >> hi Richard, > >> After my less than stellar experience with a aiPoly vision, together with > >> my usual success with CamFind, I got my partner to try out a aiPoly for > >> me, lest it was user error on my part, and we discovered that, for him, > >> while it works, it is incredibly inaccurate. however, I will not delete it > >> because I am sure that real-time video object identification is the way to > >> go. I think, with time, this will improve and our findings and addings to > >> the library is one way for it to do so. for me, the time lag is crucial! > >> probably, we should all submit our experiences and findings with the app > >> in the hopes that they will improve it. > >> > >> thoughts, Sandy > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>> On 11 Jan 2016, at 00:18, Richard Turner wrote: > >>> > >>> I compared AIPoly with Camfind, both with color and objects. > >>> Here are my results for color. > >>> Navy blue sweat pants: AIPoly had various shades of gray, CamFind said > >>> black (which is much closer.) > >>&g
Re: AIPoly VS CamFind
For the benefit of someone who has never seen, what is the difference between flash and torch and what does torch do? Thanks bunches. From: Ioana Gandrabur Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 4:02 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: AIPoly VS CamFind Hi, I tried both the apps and find cam find is more precise but video is so convenient. Btw, it is possible to turn the flash off for marginally better colour results in settings. Turn torch off there. Hth, Ioana Sent from my iPhone On Jan 12, 2016, at 10:59 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Hi Richard, I just Googled “Aipoly Vision” and found their website at www.aipoly.com. Interestingly enough there seems to be no “Contact Us”, a link to submit a feedback/support form or an email for support. However, when I clicked on the “Press” link, I found an email address for press and interview inquiries. It is t...@aipoly.com. Maybe supp...@aipoly.com would work, but I agree that while it’s nice to see that they are trying to get main stream media coverage, they should be working closely with the people which the app is intended for. I guess let’s see if Aipoly is still around in a year or two and how many updates and improvements it has received. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 6:32 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: AIPoly VS CamFind Would you share the email address you have for the AIPoly team? Also, the problem with submitting reviews is an Apple issue, which I have reported a couple times to the accessibility team at Apple. I'd suggest everyone else having issues submitting reviews do the same. accessibil...@apple.com Richard On Jan 12, 2016, at 6:26 AM, Keith B. wrote: I have just a couple of thoughts about Aipoly. I really believe they are on to something, so I will continue to try to work with them. Most of us can't remember how terrible OCR was in its beginning days - how even with the best of programs we were lucky to get 85% recognition. And look where OCR for the blind is now because we saw the potential, worked with manufacturers, and refused to give up a dream. That is my personal thinking about Aipoly. Now for my frustration. I tried to submit a review on my iPhone 6. I could rate the program and title the review, but when I got to the writing section of the review, it completely kicked me out. I tried this on multiple occasions. I emailed the Aipoly Team but have yet to hear back, and this was the first day it came out. If Aipoly truly wants to develop the potential of this app, there has to be an acceptable way for us to give feedback. I don't do reviews in iTunes generally, and, when I tried, I got nowhere. So, if anyone from Aipoly is monitoring this list, some of us believe in you, but you have to find a convenient way for us to communicate with you. We really are the key to your success. On Tuesday, January 12, 2016 at 4:33:55 AM UTC-6, sandy wrote: Richard, No I haven't discovered how to give feedback other than with the "pen" or was it pencil? I shall try playing with that feature. Good luck, Sandy Sent from my iPhone > On 11 Jan 2016, at 16:17, Richard Turner wrote: > > > Did you find a way to submit feedback? > I didn't. > Of course, I did not spend a lot of time trying. > Thanks, > Richard > > >> On Jan 11, 2016, at 1:55 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone wrote: >> >> hi Richard, >> After my less than stellar experience with a aiPoly vision, together with my usual success with CamFind, I got my partner to try out a aiPoly for me, lest it was user error on my part, and we discovered that, for him, while it works, it is incredibly inaccurate. however, I will not delete it because I am sure that real-time video object identification is the way to go. I think, with time, this will improve and our findings and addings to the library is one way for it to do so. for me, the time lag is crucial! probably, we should all submit our experiences and findings with the app in the hopes that they will improve it. >> >> thoughts, Sandy >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On 11 Jan 2016, at 00:18, Richard Turner wrote: >>> >>> I compared AIPoly with Camfind, both with color and objects. >>> Here are my results for color. >>> Navy blue sweat pants: AIPoly had various shades of gray, CamFind said black (which is much closer.) >>> Oak end table: aIPoly said various shades of gray, CamFind said brown.
Re: AIPoly VS CamFind
Hi, Flash and torch are the same thing. They are the ca'mera's light and many apps, including CamFind have three options, off, so the light is never used so you depend on room or outdoor lighting. On, so it is on all the time, which is the current setting with AIPoly. Auto, which lets the sensor in the camera decide if there is enough light to get a good image. In the United States, it is usually called flash. I first heard the term torch used in England. HTH, Richard > On Jan 16, 2016, at 8:41 PM, Monica Jones wrote: > > For the benefit of someone who has never seen, what is the difference between > flash and torch and what does torch do? Thanks bunches. > > > From: Ioana Gandrabur > Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 4:02 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: AIPoly VS CamFind > > Hi, > > I tried both the apps and find cam find is more precise but video is so > convenient. Btw, it is possible to turn the flash off for marginally better > colour results in settings. Turn torch off there. > > Hth, > > Ioana > > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 12, 2016, at 10:59 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: >> >> Hi Richard, >> >> >> >> I just Googled “Aipoly Vision” and found their website at www.aipoly.com. >> Interestingly enough there seems to be no “Contact Us”, a link to submit a >> feedback/support form or an email for support. However, when I clicked on >> the “Press” link, I found an email address for press and interview >> inquiries. It is t...@aipoly.com. Maybe supp...@aipoly.com would work, but I >> agree that while it’s nice to see that they are trying to get main stream >> media coverage, they should be working closely with the people which the app >> is intended for. I guess let’s see if Aipoly is still around in a year or >> two and how many updates and improvements it has received. >> >> >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Sieghard >> >> >> >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >> Of Richard Turner >> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 6:32 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: AIPoly VS CamFind >> >> >> >> Would you share the email address you have for the AIPoly team? >> >> Also, the problem with submitting reviews is an Apple issue, which I have >> reported a couple times to the accessibility team at Apple. I'd suggest >> everyone else having issues submitting reviews do the same. >> accessibil...@apple.com >> >> >> >> >> >> Richard >> >> >> >> >> On Jan 12, 2016, at 6:26 AM, Keith B. wrote: >> >> I have just a couple of thoughts about Aipoly. I really believe they are on >> to something, so I will continue to try to work with them. Most of us can't >> remember how terrible OCR was in its beginning days - how even with the best >> of programs we were lucky to get 85% recognition. And look where OCR for the >> blind is now because we saw the potential, worked with manufacturers, and >> refused to give up a dream. That is my personal thinking about Aipoly. >> >> Now for my frustration. I tried to submit a review on my iPhone 6. I >> could rate the program and title the review, but when I got to the writing >> section of the review, it completely kicked me out. I tried this on multiple >> occasions. I emailed the Aipoly Team but have yet to hear back, and this was >> the first day it came out. >> >> If Aipoly truly wants to develop the potential of this app, there has to be >> an acceptable way for us to give feedback. I don't do reviews in iTunes >> generally, and, when I tried, I got nowhere. So, if anyone from Aipoly is >> monitoring this list, some of us believe in you, but you have to find a >> convenient way for us to communicate with you. We really are the key to your >> success. >> >> On Tuesday, January 12, 2016 at 4:33:55 AM UTC-6, sandy wrote: >> >> Richard, >> No I haven't discovered how to give feedback other than with the "pen" or >> was it pencil? I shall try playing with that feature. >> Good luck, Sandy >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On 11 Jan 2016, at 16:17, Richard Turner wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > Did you find a way to submit feedback? >> > I didn't. >> > Of course, I did not spend a lot of time trying. >> > Thanks, >> > Richard
Re: AIPoly VS CamFind
Oh, thanks bunches for the explanation. From: Richard Turner Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 8:03 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: AIPoly VS CamFind Hi, Flash and torch are the same thing. They are the ca'mera's light and many apps, including CamFind have three options, off, so the light is never used so you depend on room or outdoor lighting. On, so it is on all the time, which is the current setting with AIPoly. Auto, which lets the sensor in the camera decide if there is enough light to get a good image. In the United States, it is usually called flash. I first heard the term torch used in England. HTH, Richard On Jan 16, 2016, at 8:41 PM, Monica Jones wrote: For the benefit of someone who has never seen, what is the difference between flash and torch and what does torch do? Thanks bunches. From: Ioana Gandrabur Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 4:02 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: AIPoly VS CamFind Hi, I tried both the apps and find cam find is more precise but video is so convenient. Btw, it is possible to turn the flash off for marginally better colour results in settings. Turn torch off there. Hth, Ioana Sent from my iPhone On Jan 12, 2016, at 10:59 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Hi Richard, I just Googled “Aipoly Vision” and found their website at www.aipoly.com. Interestingly enough there seems to be no “Contact Us”, a link to submit a feedback/support form or an email for support. However, when I clicked on the “Press” link, I found an email address for press and interview inquiries. It is t...@aipoly.com. Maybe supp...@aipoly.com would work, but I agree that while it’s nice to see that they are trying to get main stream media coverage, they should be working closely with the people which the app is intended for. I guess let’s see if Aipoly is still around in a year or two and how many updates and improvements it has received. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 6:32 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: AIPoly VS CamFind Would you share the email address you have for the AIPoly team? Also, the problem with submitting reviews is an Apple issue, which I have reported a couple times to the accessibility team at Apple. I'd suggest everyone else having issues submitting reviews do the same. accessibil...@apple.com Richard On Jan 12, 2016, at 6:26 AM, Keith B. wrote: I have just a couple of thoughts about Aipoly. I really believe they are on to something, so I will continue to try to work with them. Most of us can't remember how terrible OCR was in its beginning days - how even with the best of programs we were lucky to get 85% recognition. And look where OCR for the blind is now because we saw the potential, worked with manufacturers, and refused to give up a dream. That is my personal thinking about Aipoly. Now for my frustration. I tried to submit a review on my iPhone 6. I could rate the program and title the review, but when I got to the writing section of the review, it completely kicked me out. I tried this on multiple occasions. I emailed the Aipoly Team but have yet to hear back, and this was the first day it came out. If Aipoly truly wants to develop the potential of this app, there has to be an acceptable way for us to give feedback. I don't do reviews in iTunes generally, and, when I tried, I got nowhere. So, if anyone from Aipoly is monitoring this list, some of us believe in you, but you have to find a convenient way for us to communicate with you. We really are the key to your success. On Tuesday, January 12, 2016 at 4:33:55 AM UTC-6, sandy wrote: Richard, No I haven't discovered how to give feedback other than with the "pen" or was it pencil? I shall try playing with that feature. Good luck, Sandy Sent from my iPhone > On 11 Jan 2016, at 16:17, Richard Turner wrote: > > > Did you find a way to submit feedback? > I didn't. > Of course, I did not spend a lot of time trying. > Thanks, > Richard > > >> On Jan 11, 2016, at 1:55 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone wrote: >> >> hi Richard, >> After my less than stellar experience with a aiPoly vision, together with my usual success with CamFind, I got my partner to try out a aiPoly for me, lest it was user error on my part, and we discovered that, for him, while it works, it is incredibly inaccurate. however, I will not delete it because I am sure that real-time video object identification is the way to go. I