Re: Braille: Expanded Status Description Not Showing Or Speaking Information
I, too, am unclear what you mean when you talk about a human-generated message. The status cell is supposed to let you know, via certain dot positions, of things such as new messages, notifications, the screen curtain being on or off, speech being on or off, etc. i'm not quite sure what the expanded status does, but I presume that that have to do with things such as telling you whom has just sent you a text message, or the text of an app's notification, etc. In any case, I don't know why they're not working for you. Sorry I can't help. I might just test things out on my Brailliant BI 32, though. I'll definitely be rereading the post on AppleVis about the status cell and what each dot position means. Thanks, Ari On Jul 24, 2014, at 7:27 AM, Flor Lynch florl...@iol.ie wrote: When I googled on this, last night, I couldn't find much more enlightening. There is (or was) a Google group called Applebraille. (And some members of this list will have known of it.) I came across references to it in google searching. I believe that in the To: line you would put: applebraille+subscr...@googlegroups.com - if joining it. Also, you could try J. M., he of FS, the famous Consulting, and of appcessible.net . he uses braille extensively, and probably Focus Blue displays. Inn my iOS tyro experience, even some of the buttons on the focus14 blue are somewhat superflluous in iPhone/iOS in that they duplicate functionalities already catered for by others more main. - Original Message - From: Teresa Cochran To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 1:27 PM Subject: Re: Braille: Expanded Status Description Not Showing Or Speaking Information WEll, if exmanded status is supposed to show something, I figured I was either not immlementing it correctly or there's a bug. Teresa We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks On Jul 24, 2014, at 2:49 AM, Flor Lynch florl...@iol.ie wrote: Hi Teresa, Almost precisely! It is *not* a human-generated message, but software generated. So the developer put nothing more into it, it seems to me. There are a few other situations on iPhone where this occurs. - Original Message - From: Teresa Cochran To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 7:11 AM Subject: Re: Braille: Expanded Status Description Not Showing Or Speaking Information Hi, Flor, I lost you somewhere when you mentioned it being a human-generated message. I am not even sure what you mean by that. The expanded status message just shows more information about the Braille being displayed. The only human factor involved would be whatever the developer put into that feature. So I think I'm basically thoroughly confused. Teresa We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks On Jul 23, 2014, at 2:43 PM, Flor Lynch florl...@iol.ie wrote: Sorry I had worded the part in my message Re: the Focus14 blue and status cells poorly. What the Focus14 blue doesn't have, is the Navrow of buttons that the 40 blue does have. - Original Message - From: Flor Lynch To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 10:23 PM Subject: Re: Braille: Expanded Status Description Not Showing Or Speaking Information That 'expanded status' message is then probably just a generic message, as I would call it, a message generated by software rather than by a human. I have sometimes found that so-called help (also in iOS) is still only helpful in a technical sense. For example, You might have WiFi turned on, but that doesn't mean that you're connected to your Wifi network. I have a Focus14 Blue (paired with my iPhone) which doesn't have the navrow of buttons, and also a Focus40 Blue (that does), which I haven't paired with my iPhone but use with PC mostly though also sometimes with laptop. . - Original Message - From: Teresa Cochran To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 9:52 PM Subject: Re: Braille: Expanded Status Description Not Showing Or Speaking Information I'm not sure. It's a Focus 40 Blue. There isn't a hardware setting for status cells, but in iOS, it's a Voiceover setting. I set it to left and it does show a cell with dots on the left. i have looked up the m,ning of the dots on Applevis and found out what each one means. However, VO doesn't display or speak the expanded descriptions of the status, as the VO help would seem to indicate. Teresa We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks On Jul 23, 2014, at 12:44 PM, Flor Lynch florl...@iol.ie wrote: But does VoiceOver know them as 'status cells'? - Original Message - From: Teresa
Re: Braille: Expanded Status Description Not Showing Or Speaking Information
No, the expanded status shows things like text style, how many VO announcements have not been reviewed in Braille, etc. I don't think it does the same thing as the notification center. It's just a way to get more information about what VO is speaking. If you're hearing impaired or just don't use speech much, I would imagine this sort of thing can be helpful. Teresa We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks On Jul 25, 2014, at 3:08 AM, Gmail englishride...@gmail.com wrote: I, too, am unclear what you mean when you talk about a human-generated message. The status cell is supposed to let you know, via certain dot positions, of things such as new messages, notifications, the screen curtain being on or off, speech being on or off, etc. i'm not quite sure what the expanded status does, but I presume that that have to do with things such as telling you whom has just sent you a text message, or the text of an app's notification, etc. In any case, I don't know why they're not working for you. Sorry I can't help. I might just test things out on my Brailliant BI 32, though. I'll definitely be rereading the post on AppleVis about the status cell and what each dot position means. Thanks, Ari On Jul 24, 2014, at 7:27 AM, Flor Lynch florl...@iol.ie wrote: When I googled on this, last night, I couldn't find much more enlightening. There is (or was) a Google group called Applebraille. (And some members of this list will have known of it.) I came across references to it in google searching. I believe that in the To: line you would put: applebraille+subscr...@googlegroups.com - if joining it. Also, you could try J. M., he of FS, the famous Consulting, and of appcessible.net . he uses braille extensively, and probably Focus Blue displays. Inn my iOS tyro experience, even some of the buttons on the focus14 blue are somewhat superflluous in iPhone/iOS in that they duplicate functionalities already catered for by others more main. - Original Message - From: Teresa Cochran To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 1:27 PM Subject: Re: Braille: Expanded Status Description Not Showing Or Speaking Information WEll, if exmanded status is supposed to show something, I figured I was either not immlementing it correctly or there's a bug. Teresa We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks On Jul 24, 2014, at 2:49 AM, Flor Lynch florl...@iol.ie wrote: Hi Teresa, Almost precisely! It is *not* a human-generated message, but software generated. So the developer put nothing more into it, it seems to me. There are a few other situations on iPhone where this occurs. - Original Message - From: Teresa Cochran To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 7:11 AM Subject: Re: Braille: Expanded Status Description Not Showing Or Speaking Information Hi, Flor, I lost you somewhere when you mentioned it being a human-generated message. I am not even sure what you mean by that. The expanded status message just shows more information about the Braille being displayed. The only human factor involved would be whatever the developer put into that feature. So I think I'm basically thoroughly confused. Teresa We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks On Jul 23, 2014, at 2:43 PM, Flor Lynch florl...@iol.ie wrote: Sorry I had worded the part in my message Re: the Focus14 blue and status cells poorly. What the Focus14 blue doesn't have, is the Navrow of buttons that the 40 blue does have. - Original Message - From: Flor Lynch To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 10:23 PM Subject: Re: Braille: Expanded Status Description Not Showing Or Speaking Information That 'expanded status' message is then probably just a generic message, as I would call it, a message generated by software rather than by a human. I have sometimes found that so-called help (also in iOS) is still only helpful in atechnical sense. For example, You might have WiFi turned on, but that doesn't mean that you're connected to your Wifi network. I have a Focus14 Blue (paired with my iPhone) which doesn't have the navrow of buttons, and also a Focus40 Blue (that does), which I haven't paired with my iPhone but use with PC mostly though also sometimes with laptop. . - Original Message - From: Teresa Cochran To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 9:52 PM Subject: Re: Braille: Expanded Status Description Not Showing Or Speaking Information I'm not sure. It's a Focus 40 Blue. There isn't a hardware setting for status cells
Re: Braille: Expanded Status Description Not Showing Or Speaking Information
Hi, Flor, I lost you somewhere when you mentioned it being a human-generated message. I am not even sure what you mean by that. The expanded status message just shows more information about the Braille being displayed. The only human factor involved would be whatever the developer put into that feature. So I think I'm basically thoroughly confused. Teresa We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks On Jul 23, 2014, at 2:43 PM, Flor Lynch florl...@iol.ie wrote: Sorry I had worded the part in my message Re: the Focus14 blue and status cells poorly. What the Focus14 blue doesn't have, is the Navrow of buttons that the 40 blue does have. - Original Message - From: Flor Lynch To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 10:23 PM Subject: Re: Braille: Expanded Status Description Not Showing Or Speaking Information That 'expanded status' message is then probably just a generic message, as I would call it, a message generated by software rather than by a human. I have sometimes found that so-called help (also in iOS) is still only helpful in a technical sense. For example, You might have WiFi turned on, but that doesn't mean that you're connected to your Wifi network. I have a Focus14 Blue (paired with my iPhone) which doesn't have the navrow of buttons, and also a Focus40 Blue (that does), which I haven't paired with my iPhone but use with PC mostly though also sometimes with laptop. . - Original Message - From: Teresa Cochran To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 9:52 PM Subject: Re: Braille: Expanded Status Description Not Showing Or Speaking Information I'm not sure. It's a Focus 40 Blue. There isn't a hardware setting for status cells, but in iOS, it's a Voiceover setting. I set it to left and it does show a cell with dots on the left. i have looked up the m,ning of the dots on Applevis and found out what each one means. However, VO doesn't display or speak the expanded descriptions of the status, as the VO help would seem to indicate. Teresa We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks On Jul 23, 2014, at 12:44 PM, Flor Lynch florl...@iol.ie wrote: But does VoiceOver know them as 'status cells'? - Original Message - From: Teresa Cochran To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 8:22 PM Subject: Re: Braille: Expanded Status Description Not Showing Or Speaking Information Oh, but I want to experiment with the status cells. I'd like to know what kind of information it provides. I have a 40-cell display, so that's not an issue. Teresa We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks On Jul 23, 2014, at 9:53 AM, Wayne Merritt wcmerr...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps it is similar to the status cells when using the display with a Windows or Mac screen reader. I never bothered with those status messages too much, and even turned the status cells off. Besides, if you have a smallish display, every cell counts when showing information. Wayne On 7/21/14, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote: Expanded status indicates things like Voiceover muting, screen cchrtain, and I believe text attributes, though I'm not entirely sure about that last one. Teresa We're made of star stuff.--Carl Sagan On Jul 20, 2014, at 11:09 PM, Haya Simkin guide dog Pammy hayasim...@gmail.com wrote: I saw that in the keyboard help when I pressed the first router key to the left with the same results. This left me wondering what an expanded status was. Haya Simkin guide dogPammy Sent from my iPhone On 21 Jul 2014, at 04:19, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote: Hi, all, I was exploring the status functions with my Focus 40 Blue. When I press the cursor-routing keys in cell 2, keyboard help reports that it toggles expanded description. However, I get no audible or Braille feedback, even when I press n-space forandouncement history. Am I missing something? Thanks, Teresa We're made of star stuff.--Carl Sagan -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email
Re: Braille: Expanded Status Description Not Showing Or Speaking Information
Hi Teresa, Almost precisely! It is *not* a human-generated message, but software generated. So the developer put nothing more into it, it seems to me. There are a few other situations on iPhone where this occurs. - Original Message - From: Teresa Cochran To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 7:11 AM Subject: Re: Braille: Expanded Status Description Not Showing Or Speaking Information Hi, Flor, I lost you somewhere when you mentioned it being a human-generated message. I am not even sure what you mean by that. The expanded status message just shows more information about the Braille being displayed. The only human factor involved would be whatever the developer put into that feature. So I think I'm basically thoroughly confused. Teresa We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks On Jul 23, 2014, at 2:43 PM, Flor Lynch florl...@iol.ie wrote: Sorry I had worded the part in my message Re: the Focus14 blue and status cells poorly. What the Focus14 blue doesn't have, is the Navrow of buttons that the 40 blue does have. - Original Message - From: Flor Lynch To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 10:23 PM Subject: Re: Braille: Expanded Status Description Not Showing Or Speaking Information That 'expanded status' message is then probably just a generic message, as I would call it, a message generated by software rather than by a human. I have sometimes found that so-called help (also in iOS) is still only helpful in a technical sense. For example, You might have WiFi turned on, but that doesn't mean that you're connected to your Wifi network. I have a Focus14 Blue (paired with my iPhone) which doesn't have the navrow of buttons, and also a Focus40 Blue (that does), which I haven't paired with my iPhone but use with PC mostly though also sometimes with laptop. . - Original Message - From: Teresa Cochran To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 9:52 PM Subject: Re: Braille: Expanded Status Description Not Showing Or Speaking Information I'm not sure. It's a Focus 40 Blue. There isn't a hardware setting for status cells, but in iOS, it's a Voiceover setting. I set it to left and it does show a cell with dots on the left. i have looked up the m,ning of the dots on Applevis and found out what each one means. However, VO doesn't display or speak the expanded descriptions of the status, as the VO help would seem to indicate. Teresa We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks On Jul 23, 2014, at 12:44 PM, Flor Lynch florl...@iol.ie wrote: But does VoiceOver know them as 'status cells'? - Original Message - From: Teresa Cochran To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 8:22 PM Subject: Re: Braille: Expanded Status Description Not Showing Or Speaking Information Oh, but I want to experiment with the status cells. I'd like to know what kind of information it provides. I have a 40-cell display, so that's not an issue. Teresa We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks On Jul 23, 2014, at 9:53 AM, Wayne Merritt wcmerr...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps it is similar to the status cells when using the display with a Windows or Mac screen reader. I never bothered with those status messages too much, and even turned the status cells off. Besides, if you have a smallish display, every cell counts when showing information. Wayne On 7/21/14, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote: Expanded status indicates things like Voiceover muting, screen cchrtain, and I believe text attributes, though I'm not entirely sure about that last one. Teresa We're made of star stuff.--Carl Sagan On Jul 20, 2014, at 11:09 PM, Haya Simkin guide dog Pammy hayasim...@gmail.com wrote: I saw that in the keyboard help when I pressed the first router key to the left with the same results. This left me wondering what an expanded status was. Haya Simkin guide dog Pammy Sent from my iPhone On 21 Jul 2014, at 04:19, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote: Hi, all, I was exploring the status
Re: Braille: Expanded Status Description Not Showing Or Speaking Information
WEll, if exmanded status is supposed to show something, I figured I was either not immlementing it correctly or there's a bug. Teresa We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks On Jul 24, 2014, at 2:49 AM, Flor Lynch florl...@iol.ie wrote: Hi Teresa, Almost precisely! It is *not* a human-generated message, but software generated. So the developer put nothing more into it, it seems to me. There are a few other situations on iPhone where this occurs. - Original Message - From: Teresa Cochran To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 7:11 AM Subject: Re: Braille: Expanded Status Description Not Showing Or Speaking Information Hi, Flor, I lost you somewhere when you mentioned it being a human-generated message. I am not even sure what you mean by that. The expanded status message just shows more information about the Braille being displayed. The only human factor involved would be whatever the developer put into that feature. So I think I'm basically thoroughly confused. Teresa We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks On Jul 23, 2014, at 2:43 PM, Flor Lynch florl...@iol.ie wrote: Sorry I had worded the part in my message Re: the Focus14 blue and status cells poorly. What the Focus14 blue doesn't have, is the Navrow of buttons that the 40 blue does have. - Original Message - From: Flor Lynch To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 10:23 PM Subject: Re: Braille: Expanded Status Description Not Showing Or Speaking Information That 'expanded status' message is then probably just a generic message, as I would call it, a message generated by software rather than by a human. I have sometimes found that so-called help (also in iOS) is still only helpful in a technical sense. For example, You might have WiFi turned on, but that doesn't mean that you're connected to your Wifi network. I have a Focus14 Blue (paired with my iPhone) which doesn't have the navrow of buttons, and also a Focus40 Blue (that does), which I haven't paired with my iPhone but use with PC mostly though also sometimes with laptop. . - Original Message - From: Teresa Cochran To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 9:52 PM Subject: Re: Braille: Expanded Status Description Not Showing Or Speaking Information I'm not sure. It's a Focus 40 Blue. There isn't a hardware setting for status cells, but in iOS, it's a Voiceover setting. I set it to left and it does show a cell with dots on the left. i have looked up the m,ning of the dots on Applevis and found out what each one means. However, VO doesn't display or speak the expanded descriptions of the status, as the VO help would seem to indicate. Teresa We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks On Jul 23, 2014, at 12:44 PM, Flor Lynch florl...@iol.ie wrote: But does VoiceOver know them as 'status cells'? - Original Message - From: Teresa Cochran To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 8:22 PM Subject: Re: Braille: Expanded Status Description Not Showing Or Speaking Information Oh, but I want to experiment with the status cells. I'd like to know what kind of information it provides. I have a 40-cell display, so that's not an issue. Teresa We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks On Jul 23, 2014, at 9:53 AM, Wayne Merritt wcmerr...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps it is similar to the status cells when using the display with a Windows or Mac screen reader. I never bothered with those status messages too much, and even turned the status cells off. Besides, if you have a smallish display, every cell countswhen showing information. Wayne On 7/21/14, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote: Expanded status indicates things like Voiceover muting, screen cchrtain, and I believe text attributes, though I'm not entirely sure about that last one. Teresa We're made of star stuff.--Carl Sagan On Jul 20, 2014, at 11:09 PM, Haya Simkin guide dog Pammy hayasim...@gmail.com wrote: I saw that in the keyboard help when I pressed the first router key to the left with the same results. This left me wondering what an expanded status was. Haya Simkin guide dog Pammy Sent from my iPhone On 21 Jul 2014, at 04:19, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote: Hi, all, I was exploring the status functions with my Focus 40 Blue. When I press the cursor-routing keys in cell 2, keyboard help reports that it toggles expanded description. However, I get no audible or Braille feedback, even when
Re: Braille: Expanded Status Description Not Showing Or Speaking Information
When I googled on this, last night, I couldn't find much more enlightening. There is (or was) a Google group called Applebraille. (And some members of this list will have known of it.) I came across references to it in google searching. I believe that in the To: line you would put: applebraille+subscr...@googlegroups.com - if joining it. Also, you could try J. M., he of FS, the famous Consulting, and of appcessible.net . he uses braille extensively, and probably Focus Blue displays. Inn my iOS tyro experience, even some of the buttons on the focus14 blue are somewhat superflluous in iPhone/iOS in that they duplicate functionalities already catered for by others more main. - Original Message - From: Teresa Cochran To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 1:27 PM Subject: Re: Braille: Expanded Status Description Not Showing Or Speaking Information WEll, if exmanded status is supposed to show something, I figured I was either not immlementing it correctly or there's a bug. Teresa We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks On Jul 24, 2014, at 2:49 AM, Flor Lynch florl...@iol.ie wrote: Hi Teresa, Almost precisely! It is *not* a human-generated message, but software generated. So the developer put nothing more into it, it seems to me. There are a few other situations on iPhone where this occurs. - Original Message - From: Teresa Cochran To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 7:11 AM Subject: Re: Braille: Expanded Status Description Not Showing Or Speaking Information Hi, Flor, I lost you somewhere when you mentioned it being a human-generated message. I am not even sure what you mean by that. The expanded status message just shows more information about the Braille being displayed. The only human factor involved would be whatever the developer put into that feature. So I think I'm basically thoroughly confused. Teresa We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks On Jul 23, 2014, at 2:43 PM, Flor Lynch florl...@iol.ie wrote: Sorry I had worded the part in my message Re: the Focus14 blue and status cells poorly. What the Focus14 blue doesn't have, is the Navrow of buttons that the 40 blue does have. - Original Message - From: Flor Lynch To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 10:23 PM Subject: Re: Braille: Expanded Status Description Not Showing Or Speaking Information That 'expanded status' message is then probably just a generic message, as I would call it, a message generated by software rather than by a human. I have sometimes found that so-called help (also in iOS) is still only helpful in a technical sense. For example, You might have WiFi turned on, but that doesn't mean that you're connected to your Wifi network. I have a Focus14 Blue (paired with my iPhone) which doesn't have the navrow of buttons, and also a Focus40 Blue (that does), which I haven't paired with my iPhone but use with PC mostly though also sometimes with laptop. . - Original Message - From: Teresa Cochran To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 9:52 PM Subject: Re: Braille: Expanded Status Description Not Showing Or Speaking Information I'm not sure. It's a Focus 40 Blue. There isn't a hardware setting for status cells, but in iOS, it's a Voiceover setting. I set it to left and it does show a cell with dots on the left. i have looked up the m,ning of the dots on Applevis and found out what each one means. However, VO doesn't display or speak the expanded descriptions of the status, as the VO help would seem to indicate. Teresa We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks On Jul 23, 2014, at 12:44 PM, Flor Lynch florl...@iol.ie wrote: But does VoiceOver know them as 'status cells'? - Original Message - From: Teresa Cochran To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 8:22 PM Subject: Re: Braille: Expanded Status Description Not Showing Or Speaking Information Oh, but I want to experiment with the status cells. I'd like to know what kind of information it provides. I have a 40-cell display, so that's not an issue. Teresa We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks
Re: Braille: Expanded Status Description Not Showing Or Speaking Information
Perhaps it is similar to the status cells when using the display with a Windows or Mac screen reader. I never bothered with those status messages too much, and even turned the status cells off. Besides, if you have a smallish display, every cell counts when showing information. Wayne On 7/21/14, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote: Expanded status indicates things like Voiceover muting, screen cchrtain, and I believe text attributes, though I'm not entirely sure about that last one. Teresa We're made of star stuff.--Carl Sagan On Jul 20, 2014, at 11:09 PM, Haya Simkin guide dog Pammy hayasim...@gmail.com wrote: I saw that in the keyboard help when I pressed the first router key to the left with the same results. This left me wondering what an expanded status was. Haya Simkin guide dog Pammy Sent from my iPhone On 21 Jul 2014, at 04:19, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote: Hi, all, I was exploring the status functions with my Focus 40 Blue. When I press the cursor-routing keys in cell 2, keyboard help reports that it toggles expanded description. However, I get no audible or Braille feedback, even when I press n-space for andouncement history. Am I missing something? Thanks, Teresa We're made of star stuff.--Carl Sagan -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Follow me on Twitter at: www.twitter.com/wcmerritt My websites: www.wayneism.com www.whitecaneday.org -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Braille: Expanded Status Description Not Showing Or Speaking Information
Oh, but I want to experiment with the status cells. I'd like to know what kind of information it provides. I have a 40-cell display, so that's not an issue. Teresa We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks On Jul 23, 2014, at 9:53 AM, Wayne Merritt wcmerr...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps it is similar to the status cells when using the display with a Windows or Mac screen reader. I never bothered with those status messages too much, and even turned the status cells off. Besides, if you have a smallish display, every cell counts when showing information. Wayne On 7/21/14, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote: Expanded status indicates things like Voiceover muting, screen cchrtain, and I believe text attributes, though I'm not entirely sure about that last one. Teresa We're made of star stuff.--Carl Sagan On Jul 20, 2014, at 11:09 PM, Haya Simkin guide dog Pammy hayasim...@gmail.com wrote: I saw that in the keyboard help when I pressed the first router key to the left with the same results. This left me wondering what an expanded status was. Haya Simkin guide dog Pammy Sent from my iPhone On 21 Jul 2014, at 04:19, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote: Hi, all, I was exploring the status functions with my Focus 40 Blue. When I press the cursor-routing keys in cell 2, keyboard help reports that it toggles expanded description. However, I get no audible or Braille feedback, even when I press n-space for andouncement history. Am I missing something? Thanks, Teresa We're made of star stuff.--Carl Sagan -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Follow me on Twitter at: www.twitter.com/wcmerritt My websites: www.wayneism.com www.whitecaneday.org -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop
Re: Braille: Expanded Status Description Not Showing Or Speaking Information
But does VoiceOver know them as 'status cells'? - Original Message - From: Teresa Cochran To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 8:22 PM Subject: Re: Braille: Expanded Status Description Not Showing Or Speaking Information Oh, but I want to experiment with the status cells. I'd like to know what kind of information it provides. I have a 40-cell display, so that's not an issue. Teresa We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks On Jul 23, 2014, at 9:53 AM, Wayne Merritt wcmerr...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps it is similar to the status cells when using the display with a Windows or Mac screen reader. I never bothered with those status messages too much, and even turned the status cells off. Besides, if you have a smallish display, every cell counts when showing information. Wayne On 7/21/14, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote: Expanded status indicates things like Voiceover muting, screen cchrtain, and I believe text attributes, though I'm not entirely sure about that last one. Teresa We're made of star stuff.--Carl Sagan On Jul 20, 2014, at 11:09 PM, Haya Simkin guide dog Pammy hayasim...@gmail.com wrote: I saw that in the keyboard help when I pressed the first router key to the left with the same results. This left me wondering what an expanded status was. Haya Simkin guide dog Pammy Sent from my iPhone On 21 Jul 2014, at 04:19, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote: Hi, all, I was exploring the status functions with my Focus 40 Blue. When I press the cursor-routing keys in cell 2, keyboard help reports that it toggles expanded description. However, I get no audible or Braille feedback, even when I press n-space for andouncement history. Am I missing something? Thanks, Teresa We're made of star stuff.--Carl Sagan -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http
Re: Braille: Expanded Status Description Not Showing Or Speaking Information
I'm not sure. It's a Focus 40 Blue. There isn't a hardware setting for status cells, but in iOS, it's a Voiceover setting. I set it to left and it does show a cell with dots on the left. i have looked up the m,ning of the dots on Applevis and found out what each one means. However, VO doesn't display or speak the expanded descriptions of the status, as the VO help would seem to indicate. Teresa We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks On Jul 23, 2014, at 12:44 PM, Flor Lynch florl...@iol.ie wrote: But does VoiceOver know them as 'status cells'? - Original Message - From: Teresa Cochran To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 8:22 PM Subject: Re: Braille: Expanded Status Description Not Showing Or Speaking Information Oh, but I want to experiment with the status cells. I'd like to know what kind of information it provides. I have a 40-cell display, so that's not an issue. Teresa We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks On Jul 23, 2014, at 9:53 AM, Wayne Merritt wcmerr...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps it is similar to the status cells when using the display with a Windows or Mac screen reader. I never bothered with those status messages too much, and even turned the status cells off. Besides, if you have a smallish display, every cell counts when showing information. Wayne On 7/21/14, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote: Expanded status indicates things like Voiceover muting, screen cchrtain, and I believe text attributes, though I'm not entirely sure about that last one. Teresa We're made of star stuff.--Carl Sagan On Jul 20, 2014, at 11:09 PM, Haya Simkin guide dog Pammy hayasim...@gmail.com wrote: I saw that in the keyboard help when I pressed the first router key to the left with the same results. This left me wondering what an expanded status was. Haya Simkin guide dog Pammy Sent from my iPhone On 21 Jul 2014, at 04:19, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote: Hi, all, I was exploring the status functions with my Focus 40 Blue. When I press the cursor-routing keys in cell 2, keyboard help reports that it toggles expanded description. However, I get no audible or Braille feedback, even when I press n-space for andouncement history. Am I missing something? Thanks, Teresa We're made of star stuff.--Carl Sagan -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone
Re: Braille: Expanded Status Description Not Showing Or Speaking Information
That 'expanded status' message is then probably just a generic message, as I would call it, a message generated by software rather than by a human. I have sometimes found that so-called help (also in iOS) is still only helpful in a technical sense. For example, You might have WiFi turned on, but that doesn't mean that you're connected to your Wifi network. I have a Focus14 Blue which doesn't have the status cells, and also a Focus40 Blue (that does), which I haven't paired with my iPhone but use with PC mostly though also sometimes with laptop. . - Original Message - From: Teresa Cochran To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 9:52 PM Subject: Re: Braille: Expanded Status Description Not Showing Or Speaking Information I'm not sure. It's a Focus 40 Blue. There isn't a hardware setting for status cells, but in iOS, it's a Voiceover setting. I set it to left and it does show a cell with dots on the left. i have looked up the m,ning of the dots on Applevis and found out what each one means. However, VO doesn't display or speak the expanded descriptions of the status, as the VO help would seem to indicate. Teresa We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks On Jul 23, 2014, at 12:44 PM, Flor Lynch florl...@iol.ie wrote: But does VoiceOver know them as 'status cells'? - Original Message - From: Teresa Cochran To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 8:22 PM Subject: Re: Braille: Expanded Status Description Not Showing Or Speaking Information Oh, but I want to experiment with the status cells. I'd like to know what kind of information it provides. I have a 40-cell display, so that's not an issue. Teresa We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks On Jul 23, 2014, at 9:53 AM, Wayne Merritt wcmerr...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps it is similar to the status cells when using the display with a Windows or Mac screen reader. I never bothered with those status messages too much, and even turned the status cells off. Besides, if you have a smallish display, every cell counts when showing information. Wayne On 7/21/14, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote: Expanded status indicates things like Voiceover muting, screen cchrtain, and I believe text attributes, though I'm not entirely sure about that last one. Teresa We're made of star stuff.--Carl Sagan On Jul 20, 2014, at 11:09 PM, Haya Simkin guide dog Pammy hayasim...@gmail.com wrote: I saw that in the keyboard help when I pressed the first router key to the left with the same results. This left me wondering what an expanded status was. Haya Simkin guide dog Pammy Sent from my iPhone On 21 Jul 2014, at 04:19, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote: Hi, all, I was exploring the status functions with my Focus 40 Blue. When I press the cursor-routing keys in cell 2, keyboard help reports that it toggles expanded description. However, I get no audible or Braille feedback, even when I press n-space for andouncement history. Am I missing something? Thanks, Teresa We're made of star stuff.--Carl Sagan -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running
Re: Braille: Expanded Status Description Not Showing Or Speaking Information
Sorry I had worded the part in my message Re: the Focus14 blue and status cells poorly. What the Focus14 blue doesn't have, is the Navrow of buttons that the 40 blue does have. - Original Message - From: Flor Lynch To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 10:23 PM Subject: Re: Braille: Expanded Status Description Not Showing Or Speaking Information That 'expanded status' message is then probably just a generic message, as I would call it, a message generated by software rather than by a human. I have sometimes found that so-called help (also in iOS) is still only helpful in a technical sense. For example, You might have WiFi turned on, but that doesn't mean that you're connected to your Wifi network. I have a Focus14 Blue (paired with my iPhone) which doesn't have the navrow of buttons, and also a Focus40 Blue (that does), which I haven't paired with my iPhone but use with PC mostly though also sometimes with laptop. . - Original Message - From: Teresa Cochran To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 9:52 PM Subject: Re: Braille: Expanded Status Description Not Showing Or Speaking Information I'm not sure. It's a Focus 40 Blue. There isn't a hardware setting for status cells, but in iOS, it's a Voiceover setting. I set it to left and it does show a cell with dots on the left. i have looked up the m,ning of the dots on Applevis and found out what each one means. However, VO doesn't display or speak the expanded descriptions of the status, as the VO help would seem to indicate. Teresa We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks On Jul 23, 2014, at 12:44 PM, Flor Lynch florl...@iol.ie wrote: But does VoiceOver know them as 'status cells'? - Original Message - From: Teresa Cochran To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 8:22 PM Subject: Re: Braille: Expanded Status Description Not Showing Or Speaking Information Oh, but I want to experiment with the status cells. I'd like to know what kind of information it provides. I have a 40-cell display, so that's not an issue. Teresa We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks On Jul 23, 2014, at 9:53 AM, Wayne Merritt wcmerr...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps it is similar to the status cells when using the display with a Windows or Mac screen reader. I never bothered with those status messages too much, and even turned the status cells off. Besides, if you have a smallish display, every cell counts when showing information. Wayne On 7/21/14, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote: Expanded status indicates things like Voiceover muting, screen cchrtain, and I believe text attributes, though I'm not entirely sure about that last one. Teresa We're made of star stuff.--Carl Sagan On Jul 20, 2014, at 11:09 PM, Haya Simkin guide dog Pammy hayasim...@gmail.com wrote: I saw that in the keyboard help when I pressed the first router key to the left with the same results. This left me wondering what an expanded status was. Haya Simkin guide dog Pammy Sent from my iPhone On 21 Jul 2014, at 04:19, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote: Hi, all, I was exploring the status functions with my Focus 40 Blue. When I press the cursor-routing keys in cell 2, keyboard help reports that it toggles expanded description. However, I get no audible or Braille feedback, even when I press n-space for andouncement history. Am I missing something? Thanks, Teresa We're made of star stuff.--Carl Sagan -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails
Re: Braille: Expanded Status Description Not Showing Or Speaking Information
I saw that in the keyboard help when I pressed the first router key to the left with the same results. This left me wondering what an expanded status was. Haya Simkin guide dog Pammy Sent from my iPhone On 21 Jul 2014, at 04:19, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote: Hi, all, I was exploring the status functions with my Focus 40 Blue. When I press the cursor-routing keys in cell 2, keyboard help reports that it toggles expanded description. However, I get no audible or Braille feedback, even when I press n-space for andouncement history. Am I missing something? Thanks, Teresa We're made of star stuff.--Carl Sagan -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Braille: Expanded Status Description Not Showing Or Speaking Information
Expanded status indicates things like Voiceover muting, screen cchrtain, and I believe text attributes, though I'm not entirely sure about that last one. Teresa We're made of star stuff.--Carl Sagan On Jul 20, 2014, at 11:09 PM, Haya Simkin guide dog Pammy hayasim...@gmail.com wrote: I saw that in the keyboard help when I pressed the first router key to the left with the same results. This left me wondering what an expanded status was. Haya Simkin guide dog Pammy Sent from my iPhone On 21 Jul 2014, at 04:19, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote: Hi, all, I was exploring the status functions with my Focus 40 Blue. When I press the cursor-routing keys in cell 2, keyboard help reports that it toggles expanded description. However, I get no audible or Braille feedback, even when I press n-space for andouncement history. Am I missing something? Thanks, Teresa We're made of star stuff.--Carl Sagan -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
