RE: IOS11 and moving apps not working

2017-09-26 Thread Sieghard Weitzel 
If you find you bring up the shortcut menu too often you can always try and 
adjust your 3D Touch sensitivity in Accessibility settings.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Joney
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 10:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS11 and moving apps not working

It does take time to get used to how it works. I’m still playing with it. What 
you get to work, if that’s fine. But most of the time, you will get the change 
shortcut menu instead of get the app to open. I found a few hold gently if you 
do a very light tap and hold very gently so it does not open it will begin to 
edit it’s a tough one to learn.
Joney
talk2o...@gmail.com<mailto:talk2o...@gmail.com>
"If God can bring you to it,
He will lead you through it."

On Sep 26, 2017, at 12:44 PM, Marcia Yale 
<dragonca...@gmail.com<mailto:dragonca...@gmail.com>> wrote:
No, I don’t use any screen protector on the iPod and the screen is clean.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 10:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: IOS11 and moving apps not working

Hi Marcia,

Just a little thing, but first of all, do you use a screen protector or a case 
like the Otterbox Defender which covers the screen? Secondly, have you cleaned 
your screen lately? I know all sorts of weird things can happen when the screen 
gets dirty.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Marcia Yale
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 6:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: IOS11 and moving apps not working

It doesn’t have 3-D touch, but the app in focus always opens for me. The 
strange thing is that I can get the gesture to work to invoke a share page, but 
not to get into editing mode. I just wish they would have left the other mode 
alone—add this one for those who want it but keep the other process for those 
of us who like it! I know, I’m dreaming!

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 8:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: IOS11 and moving apps not working

That shouldn’t apply to her iPod Touch, I don’t think even the sixth generation 
iPod Touch has 3D touch, but then again I haven’t kept up too much with the 
iPod Touch devices.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Panarese
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 4:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: IOS11 and moving apps not working

   As was also pointed out by someone else, you have to have a light touch on 
the double tap. If you do it too hard, you envoke the 3D touch response. It 
took me a few tries to get the hang of it.


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On Sep 25, 2017, at 7:49 PM, Michael Feir 
<michael.f...@gmail.com<mailto:michael.f...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Marcia. I've never had an issue making the double-tap and hold gesture. 
Simply tap twice but keep your finger down after the second contact until you 
hear a short sound and the device say "started editing" After that, life your 
finger and proceed to use the rotor and Voiceover gestures to drag and drop 
apps. In the accessibility settings, you can change the time during which two 
taps will be treeted as a double-tap. Perhaps, that would be helpful if you 
have consistant trouble double-tapping. If that works fine for you other than 
with entering edit mode, I wouldn't recommend changing the acceptable speed of 
double-tapping though. The trick is not to raise your finger after the second 
tap.

On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 7:33 PM Marcia Yale 
<dragonca...@gmail.com<mailto:dragonca...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I upgraded my iPod Touch to IOS11 so I could get used to any new processes
before messing with my iPhone, and I cannot seem to time the double-tap and
hold gesture to initiate the editing of apps. Every time I try it, the app
in focus opens instead of editing being invoked. Has anyone else encountered
this problem? I don't want to update my iPhone till I know this problem
won't be present.

Marcia Yale
It is not our differences that divide us. It is our inability to recognize,
accept, and celebrate those differen

Re: IOS11 and moving apps not working

2017-09-26 Thread Davy Cuppens 
Marcia 

please report this bug to Apple, it seems to be a user dependend bug, I know 
Belgians as well that cannot perform this action and they are advanced iphone 
userd, while others have no problem with that.
Regards
Davy 

From: Marcia Yale 
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 6:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: IOS11 and moving apps not working

No, I don’t use any screen protector on the iPod and the screen is clean. 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 10:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IOS11 and moving apps not working

 

Hi Marcia,

 

Just a little thing, but first of all, do you use a screen protector or a case 
like the Otterbox Defender which covers the screen? Secondly, have you cleaned 
your screen lately? I know all sorts of weird things can happen when the screen 
gets dirty.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Marcia Yale
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 6:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IOS11 and moving apps not working

 

It doesn’t have 3-D touch, but the app in focus always opens for me. The 
strange thing is that I can get the gesture to work to invoke a share page, but 
not to get into editing mode. I just wish they would have left the other mode 
alone—add this one for those who want it but keep the other process for those 
of us who like it! I know, I’m dreaming!

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 8:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IOS11 and moving apps not working

 

That shouldn’t apply to her iPod Touch, I don’t think even the sixth generation 
iPod Touch has 3D touch, but then again I haven’t kept up too much with the 
iPod Touch devices.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
John Panarese
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 4:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS11 and moving apps not working

 

   As was also pointed out by someone else, you have to have a light touch on 
the double tap. If you do it too hard, you envoke the 3D touch response. It 
took me a few tries to get the hang of it.

 


Take Care

John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com

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  On Sep 25, 2017, at 7:49 PM, Michael Feir <michael.f...@gmail.com> wrote:

   

  Hi Marcia. I've never had an issue making the double-tap and hold gesture. 
Simply tap twice but keep your finger down after the second contact until you 
hear a short sound and the device say "started editing" After that, life your 
finger and proceed to use the rotor and Voiceover gestures to drag and drop 
apps. In the accessibility settings, you can change the time during which two 
taps will be treeted as a double-tap. Perhaps, that would be helpful if you 
have consistant trouble double-tapping. If that works fine for you other than 
with entering edit mode, I wouldn't recommend changing the acceptable speed of 
double-tapping though. The trick is not to raise your finger after the second 
tap. 

   

  On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 7:33 PM Marcia Yale <dragonca...@gmail.com> wrote:

I upgraded my iPod Touch to IOS11 so I could get used to any new processes
before messing with my iPhone, and I cannot seem to time the double-tap and
hold gesture to initiate the editing of apps. Every time I try it, the app
in focus opens instead of editing being invoked. Has anyone else encountered
this problem? I don't want to update my iPhone till I know this problem
won't be present.

Marcia Yale
It is not our differences that divide us. It is our inability to recognize,
accept, and celebrate those differences.
Audre Lorde



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Re: IOS11 and moving apps not working

2017-09-26 Thread Joney 
It does take time to get used to how it works. I’m still playing with it. What 
you get to work, if that’s fine. But most of the time, you will get the change 
shortcut menu instead of get the app to open. I found a few hold gently if you 
do a very light tap and hold very gently so it does not open it will begin to 
edit it’s a tough one to learn.

Joney
talk2o...@gmail.com
"If God can bring you to it, 
He will lead you through it."  

> On Sep 26, 2017, at 12:44 PM, Marcia Yale <dragonca...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> No, I don’t use any screen protector on the iPod and the screen is clean.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 10:19 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: IOS11 and moving apps not working
>  
> Hi Marcia,
>  
> Just a little thing, but first of all, do you use a screen protector or a 
> case like the Otterbox Defender which covers the screen? Secondly, have you 
> cleaned your screen lately? I know all sorts of weird things can happen when 
> the screen gets dirty.
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Marcia Yale
> Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 6:01 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: IOS11 and moving apps not working
>  
> It doesn’t have 3-D touch, but the app in focus always opens for me. The 
> strange thing is that I can get the gesture to work to invoke a share page, 
> but not to get into editing mode. I just wish they would have left the other 
> mode alone—add this one for those who want it but keep the other process for 
> those of us who like it! I know, I’m dreaming!
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 8:40 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: IOS11 and moving apps not working
>  
> That shouldn’t apply to her iPod Touch, I don’t think even the sixth 
> generation iPod Touch has 3D touch, but then again I haven’t kept up too much 
> with the iPod Touch devices.
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> John Panarese
> Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 4:53 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: IOS11 and moving apps not working
>  
>As was also pointed out by someone else, you have to have a light touch on 
> the double tap. If you do it too hard, you envoke the 3D touch response. It 
> took me a few tries to get the hang of it.
>  
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
> 
> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
> 
> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
> 
> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
> 
>  
> On Sep 25, 2017, at 7:49 PM, Michael Feir <michael.f...@gmail.com> wrote:
>  
> Hi Marcia. I've never had an issue making the double-tap and hold gesture. 
> Simply tap twice but keep your finger down after the second contact until you 
> hear a short sound and the device say "started editing" After that, life your 
> finger and proceed to use the rotor and Voiceover gestures to drag and drop 
> apps. In the accessibility settings, you can change the time during which two 
> taps will be treeted as a double-tap. Perhaps, that would be helpful if you 
> have consistant trouble double-tapping. If that works fine for you other than 
> with entering edit mode, I wouldn't recommend changing the acceptable speed 
> of double-tapping though. The trick is not to raise your finger after the 
> second tap. 
>  
> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 7:33 PM Marcia Yale <dragonca...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I upgraded my iPod Touch to IOS11 so I could get used to any new processes
> before messing with my iPhone, and I cannot seem to time the double-tap and
> hold gesture to initiate the editing of apps. Every time I try it, the app
> in focus opens instead of editing being invoked. Has anyone else encountered
> this problem? I don't want to update my iPhone till I know this problem
> won't be present.
> 
> Marcia Yale
> It is not our differences that divide us. It is our inability to recognize,
> accept, and celebrate those differences.
> Audre Lorde
> 
> 
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RE: IOS11 and moving apps not working

2017-09-26 Thread Marcia Yale 
No, I don’t use any screen protector on the iPod and the screen is clean. 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 10:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IOS11 and moving apps not working

 

Hi Marcia,

 

Just a little thing, but first of all, do you use a screen protector or a case 
like the Otterbox Defender which covers the screen? Secondly, have you cleaned 
your screen lately? I know all sorts of weird things can happen when the screen 
gets dirty.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Marcia Yale
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 6:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IOS11 and moving apps not working

 

It doesn’t have 3-D touch, but the app in focus always opens for me. The 
strange thing is that I can get the gesture to work to invoke a share page, but 
not to get into editing mode. I just wish they would have left the other mode 
alone—add this one for those who want it but keep the other process for those 
of us who like it! I know, I’m dreaming!

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 8:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IOS11 and moving apps not working

 

That shouldn’t apply to her iPod Touch, I don’t think even the sixth generation 
iPod Touch has 3D touch, but then again I haven’t kept up too much with the 
iPod Touch devices.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
John Panarese
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 4:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS11 and moving apps not working

 

   As was also pointed out by someone else, you have to have a light touch on 
the double tap. If you do it too hard, you envoke the 3D touch response. It 
took me a few tries to get the hang of it.

 


Take Care

John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com

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On Sep 25, 2017, at 7:49 PM, Michael Feir <michael.f...@gmail.com> wrote:

 

Hi Marcia. I've never had an issue making the double-tap and hold gesture. 
Simply tap twice but keep your finger down after the second contact until you 
hear a short sound and the device say "started editing" After that, life your 
finger and proceed to use the rotor and Voiceover gestures to drag and drop 
apps. In the accessibility settings, you can change the time during which two 
taps will be treeted as a double-tap. Perhaps, that would be helpful if you 
have consistant trouble double-tapping. If that works fine for you other than 
with entering edit mode, I wouldn't recommend changing the acceptable speed of 
double-tapping though. The trick is not to raise your finger after the second 
tap. 

 

On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 7:33 PM Marcia Yale <dragonca...@gmail.com> wrote:

I upgraded my iPod Touch to IOS11 so I could get used to any new processes
before messing with my iPhone, and I cannot seem to time the double-tap and
hold gesture to initiate the editing of apps. Every time I try it, the app
in focus opens instead of editing being invoked. Has anyone else encountered
this problem? I don't want to update my iPhone till I know this problem
won't be present.

Marcia Yale
It is not our differences that divide us. It is our inability to recognize,
accept, and celebrate those differences.
Audre Lorde



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Re: IOS11 and moving apps not working

2017-09-26 Thread Russ Kiehne 
This isn’t a issue with using a ipod touch or ipad mini.

From: John Panarese 
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 4:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: IOS11 and moving apps not working

   As was also pointed out by someone else, you have to have a light touch on 
the double tap. If you do it too hard, you envoke the 3D touch response. It 
took me a few tries to get the hang of it. 


Take Care

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  On Sep 25, 2017, at 7:49 PM, Michael Feir <michael.f...@gmail.com> wrote:

  Hi Marcia. I've never had an issue making the double-tap and hold gesture. 
Simply tap twice but keep your finger down after the second contact until you 
hear a short sound and the device say "started editing" After that, life your 
finger and proceed to use the rotor and Voiceover gestures to drag and drop 
apps. In the accessibility settings, you can change the time during which two 
taps will be treeted as a double-tap. Perhaps, that would be helpful if you 
have consistant trouble double-tapping. If that works fine for you other than 
with entering edit mode, I wouldn't recommend changing the acceptable speed of 
double-tapping though. The trick is not to raise your finger after the second 
tap. 

  On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 7:33 PM Marcia Yale <dragonca...@gmail.com> wrote:

I upgraded my iPod Touch to IOS11 so I could get used to any new processes
before messing with my iPhone, and I cannot seem to time the double-tap and
hold gesture to initiate the editing of apps. Every time I try it, the app
in focus opens instead of editing being invoked. Has anyone else encountered
this problem? I don't want to update my iPhone till I know this problem
won't be present.

Marcia Yale
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accept, and celebrate those differences.
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RE: IOS11 and moving apps not working

2017-09-25 Thread Alan Lemly 
Marcia,

I was having the same problem you described on my iPhone 7 running iOS 10.3.3 
while cleaning off 32-bit apps getting ready for the upgrade. I noticed I kept 
getting a shortcut menu for the app with focus instead of the move/edit action 
starting. As someone else has answered, making sure I used a lighter touch on 
the hold portion of the gesture fixed the problem. I was accidentally invoking 
3D touch. I assume iOS 11 will enter into edit mode following the single finger 
double tap and hold if you make sure the hold isn't pressed too firmly to 
invoke 3D touch.

Good luck.

Alan

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Marcia Yale
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 6:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: IOS11 and moving apps not working

I upgraded my iPod Touch to IOS11 so I could get used to any new processes 
before messing with my iPhone, and I cannot seem to time the double-tap and 
hold gesture to initiate the editing of apps. Every time I try it, the app in 
focus opens instead of editing being invoked. Has anyone else encountered this 
problem? I don't want to update my iPhone till I know this problem won't be 
present.

Marcia Yale
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RE: IOS11 and moving apps not working

2017-09-25 Thread Sieghard Weitzel 
Hi Marcia,

Just a little thing, but first of all, do you use a screen protector or a case 
like the Otterbox Defender which covers the screen? Secondly, have you cleaned 
your screen lately? I know all sorts of weird things can happen when the screen 
gets dirty.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Marcia Yale
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 6:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IOS11 and moving apps not working

It doesn’t have 3-D touch, but the app in focus always opens for me. The 
strange thing is that I can get the gesture to work to invoke a share page, but 
not to get into editing mode. I just wish they would have left the other mode 
alone—add this one for those who want it but keep the other process for those 
of us who like it! I know, I’m dreaming!

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 8:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: IOS11 and moving apps not working

That shouldn’t apply to her iPod Touch, I don’t think even the sixth generation 
iPod Touch has 3D touch, but then again I haven’t kept up too much with the 
iPod Touch devices.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Panarese
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 4:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: IOS11 and moving apps not working

   As was also pointed out by someone else, you have to have a light touch on 
the double tap. If you do it too hard, you envoke the 3D touch response. It 
took me a few tries to get the hang of it.


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On Sep 25, 2017, at 7:49 PM, Michael Feir 
<michael.f...@gmail.com<mailto:michael.f...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Marcia. I've never had an issue making the double-tap and hold gesture. 
Simply tap twice but keep your finger down after the second contact until you 
hear a short sound and the device say "started editing" After that, life your 
finger and proceed to use the rotor and Voiceover gestures to drag and drop 
apps. In the accessibility settings, you can change the time during which two 
taps will be treeted as a double-tap. Perhaps, that would be helpful if you 
have consistant trouble double-tapping. If that works fine for you other than 
with entering edit mode, I wouldn't recommend changing the acceptable speed of 
double-tapping though. The trick is not to raise your finger after the second 
tap.

On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 7:33 PM Marcia Yale 
<dragonca...@gmail.com<mailto:dragonca...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I upgraded my iPod Touch to IOS11 so I could get used to any new processes
before messing with my iPhone, and I cannot seem to time the double-tap and
hold gesture to initiate the editing of apps. Every time I try it, the app
in focus opens instead of editing being invoked. Has anyone else encountered
this problem? I don't want to update my iPhone till I know this problem
won't be present.

Marcia Yale
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accept, and celebrate those differences.
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RE: IOS11 and moving apps not working

2017-09-25 Thread Marcia Yale 
It doesn’t have 3-D touch, but the app in focus always opens for me. The 
strange thing is that I can get the gesture to work to invoke a share page, but 
not to get into editing mode. I just wish they would have left the other mode 
alone—add this one for those who want it but keep the other process for those 
of us who like it! I know, I’m dreaming!

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 8:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IOS11 and moving apps not working

 

That shouldn’t apply to her iPod Touch, I don’t think even the sixth generation 
iPod Touch has 3D touch, but then again I haven’t kept up too much with the 
iPod Touch devices.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
John Panarese
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 4:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS11 and moving apps not working

 

   As was also pointed out by someone else, you have to have a light touch on 
the double tap. If you do it too hard, you envoke the 3D touch response. It 
took me a few tries to get the hang of it.

 


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On Sep 25, 2017, at 7:49 PM, Michael Feir <michael.f...@gmail.com> wrote:

 

Hi Marcia. I've never had an issue making the double-tap and hold gesture. 
Simply tap twice but keep your finger down after the second contact until you 
hear a short sound and the device say "started editing" After that, life your 
finger and proceed to use the rotor and Voiceover gestures to drag and drop 
apps. In the accessibility settings, you can change the time during which two 
taps will be treeted as a double-tap. Perhaps, that would be helpful if you 
have consistant trouble double-tapping. If that works fine for you other than 
with entering edit mode, I wouldn't recommend changing the acceptable speed of 
double-tapping though. The trick is not to raise your finger after the second 
tap. 

 

On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 7:33 PM Marcia Yale <dragonca...@gmail.com> wrote:

I upgraded my iPod Touch to IOS11 so I could get used to any new processes
before messing with my iPhone, and I cannot seem to time the double-tap and
hold gesture to initiate the editing of apps. Every time I try it, the app
in focus opens instead of editing being invoked. Has anyone else encountered
this problem? I don't want to update my iPhone till I know this problem
won't be present.

Marcia Yale
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accept, and celebrate those differences.
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Re: IOS11 and moving apps not working

2017-09-25 Thread John Panarese 
   No, I don't think it does. I have an iPod Touch and I don't think it has 3D 
Touch.


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> On Sep 25, 2017, at 8:39 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
> 
> That shouldn’t apply to her iPod Touch, I don’t think even the sixth 
> generation iPod Touch has 3D touch, but then again I haven’t kept up too much 
> with the iPod Touch devices.
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of John Panarese
> Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 4:53 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: IOS11 and moving apps not working
>  
>As was also pointed out by someone else, you have to have a light touch on 
> the double tap. If you do it too hard, you envoke the 3D touch response. It 
> took me a few tries to get the hang of it.
>  
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
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>  
> On Sep 25, 2017, at 7:49 PM, Michael Feir <michael.f...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:michael.f...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>  
> Hi Marcia. I've never had an issue making the double-tap and hold gesture. 
> Simply tap twice but keep your finger down after the second contact until you 
> hear a short sound and the device say "started editing" After that, life your 
> finger and proceed to use the rotor and Voiceover gestures to drag and drop 
> apps. In the accessibility settings, you can change the time during which two 
> taps will be treeted as a double-tap. Perhaps, that would be helpful if you 
> have consistant trouble double-tapping. If that works fine for you other than 
> with entering edit mode, I wouldn't recommend changing the acceptable speed 
> of double-tapping though. The trick is not to raise your finger after the 
> second tap. 
>  
> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 7:33 PM Marcia Yale <dragonca...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:dragonca...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> I upgraded my iPod Touch to IOS11 so I could get used to any new processes
> before messing with my iPhone, and I cannot seem to time the double-tap and
> hold gesture to initiate the editing of apps. Every time I try it, the app
> in focus opens instead of editing being invoked. Has anyone else encountered
> this problem? I don't want to update my iPhone till I know this problem
> won't be present.
> 
> Marcia Yale
> It is not our differences that divide us. It is our inability to recognize,
> accept, and celebrate those differences.
> Audre Lorde
> 
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RE: IOS11 and moving apps not working

2017-09-25 Thread Sieghard Weitzel 
That shouldn’t apply to her iPod Touch, I don’t think even the sixth generation 
iPod Touch has 3D touch, but then again I haven’t kept up too much with the 
iPod Touch devices.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
John Panarese
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 4:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS11 and moving apps not working

   As was also pointed out by someone else, you have to have a light touch on 
the double tap. If you do it too hard, you envoke the 3D touch response. It 
took me a few tries to get the hang of it.


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On Sep 25, 2017, at 7:49 PM, Michael Feir 
<michael.f...@gmail.com<mailto:michael.f...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Marcia. I've never had an issue making the double-tap and hold gesture. 
Simply tap twice but keep your finger down after the second contact until you 
hear a short sound and the device say "started editing" After that, life your 
finger and proceed to use the rotor and Voiceover gestures to drag and drop 
apps. In the accessibility settings, you can change the time during which two 
taps will be treeted as a double-tap. Perhaps, that would be helpful if you 
have consistant trouble double-tapping. If that works fine for you other than 
with entering edit mode, I wouldn't recommend changing the acceptable speed of 
double-tapping though. The trick is not to raise your finger after the second 
tap.

On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 7:33 PM Marcia Yale 
<dragonca...@gmail.com<mailto:dragonca...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I upgraded my iPod Touch to IOS11 so I could get used to any new processes
before messing with my iPhone, and I cannot seem to time the double-tap and
hold gesture to initiate the editing of apps. Every time I try it, the app
in focus opens instead of editing being invoked. Has anyone else encountered
this problem? I don't want to update my iPhone till I know this problem
won't be present.

Marcia Yale
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Re: IOS11 and moving apps not working

2017-09-25 Thread John Panarese 
   As was also pointed out by someone else, you have to have a light touch on 
the double tap. If you do it too hard, you envoke the 3D touch response. It 
took me a few tries to get the hang of it.


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> On Sep 25, 2017, at 7:49 PM, Michael Feir  wrote:
> 
> Hi Marcia. I've never had an issue making the double-tap and hold gesture. 
> Simply tap twice but keep your finger down after the second contact until you 
> hear a short sound and the device say "started editing" After that, life your 
> finger and proceed to use the rotor and Voiceover gestures to drag and drop 
> apps. In the accessibility settings, you can change the time during which two 
> taps will be treeted as a double-tap. Perhaps, that would be helpful if you 
> have consistant trouble double-tapping. If that works fine for you other than 
> with entering edit mode, I wouldn't recommend changing the acceptable speed 
> of double-tapping though. The trick is not to raise your finger after the 
> second tap. 
> 
> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 7:33 PM Marcia Yale  > wrote:
> I upgraded my iPod Touch to IOS11 so I could get used to any new processes
> before messing with my iPhone, and I cannot seem to time the double-tap and
> hold gesture to initiate the editing of apps. Every time I try it, the app
> in focus opens instead of editing being invoked. Has anyone else encountered
> this problem? I don't want to update my iPhone till I know this problem
> won't be present.
> 
> Marcia Yale
> It is not our differences that divide us. It is our inability to recognize,
> accept, and celebrate those differences.
> Audre Lorde
> 
> 
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Re: IOS11 and moving apps not working

2017-09-25 Thread Michael Feir 
Hi Marcia. I've never had an issue making the double-tap and hold gesture.
Simply tap twice but keep your finger down after the second contact until
you hear a short sound and the device say "started editing" After that,
life your finger and proceed to use the rotor and Voiceover gestures to
drag and drop apps. In the accessibility settings, you can change the time
during which two taps will be treeted as a double-tap. Perhaps, that would
be helpful if you have consistant trouble double-tapping. If that works
fine for you other than with entering edit mode, I wouldn't recommend
changing the acceptable speed of double-tapping though. The trick is not to
raise your finger after the second tap.

On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 7:33 PM Marcia Yale  wrote:

> I upgraded my iPod Touch to IOS11 so I could get used to any new processes
> before messing with my iPhone, and I cannot seem to time the double-tap and
> hold gesture to initiate the editing of apps. Every time I try it, the app
> in focus opens instead of editing being invoked. Has anyone else
> encountered
> this problem? I don't want to update my iPhone till I know this problem
> won't be present.
>
> Marcia Yale
> It is not our differences that divide us. It is our inability to recognize,
> accept, and celebrate those differences.
> Audre Lorde
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Currently writing Personal Power: The iOS Edition
Regular presenter on Kelly And Company
Learn about iOS, audio dramas, podcasts and accessible games
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Creator of Journeys of the Mind lectures
2015
http://michaelfeir.blogspot.ca/2015/01/journeys-of-mind-play-is-where.html?m=0

Volunteer at New Horizons Peel Multicultural Centre
www.peelmc.ca
2014

Disability advocate
Meadowvale Community Christian Reformed Church
www.meadowvalecrc.ca
2013--2014

Volunteer at The Dam
http://www.thedam.org
2011-2013
Author of Personal Power:
How Accessible Computers Can Enhance Personal Life For Blind People
2006-2008
http://michaelfeir.blogspot.ca/2009/01/personal-power.html

A Life of Word and Sound
2003-2007
http://michaelfeir.blogspot.ca/2009/01/life-of-word-and-sound.html

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